Palace Squad in Championship Manager 01/02 Demo - URGENT!

[CM_Addicted]

Hi all,

I've downloaded the new CM 01/02 demo and was utterly appalled at the statistics that they have for the Palace squad! I've been told by Marc Vaughan (SI Games) if we can get the details to them quick enough, the team can be corrected. I'm at work at the moment and I can't remember all the problems, but for a start;

Clinton Morrison :
Finishing should be higher than 12
His overal value should be more than 525k!!!!

Dean Austin :
His position should not be DR!

Feel free to add any more - i'll have to send any details by 5.30 tomorow.

[pete eagle]

Tommy Black - change him, he can play on the wing and behind the front two
Jovan Kirovoski - plays behind the front two

Mullins and Morrison in the reserves? Whats that about

[CM_Addicted]

Originally posted by pete eagle
Tommy Black - change him, he can play on the wing and behind the front two
Jovan Kirovoski - plays behind the front two

Mullins and Morrison in the reserves? Whats that about

Ah! Yeah, Mullins was awful in the game too! (Matter of opinion if that is right or not! :D )

Black and Kirovski are both FRC - which means they can play in midfield, behind the front two or up front. The difference between an AM and a F is that the AM is better in central midfield where as F's play better further forward.

So I think their positions are correct.

The game has Rubins, Kolinko, Popovic and Kirovski all needing work permits - meaning you can't play them all at once. Arnt are Latvian's classed as EU players for some reason?

[Marco]

I thought Division 1 had no rules on the numbers of foreigners you could play in 1 game?

Oh, btw, if you're struggling for goals as palace trying playing Craig Harrison up front. I find he works best in the middle of a front 3, or even behind the front 2 as he gets loads of assits. Honest try him out!

Also tell em to make Kolinko better, hes not THAT bad!!!

[The Eagleman]

Morrison should be valued 3.5m at least.

On the staff side I thought Kember was a coach not a scout?

[The Eagleman]

Also the money for transfers is incorrect. The game starts with 1.5M it should be at least 4M if not 5M with our rich Chairman.

[Neil]

I would ask him (or take a look yourself) at the valuations of our players. Surely some of them are worth a little more than they have been valued in the demo??

I wonder if this Bak geezer would have signed for us by then - they can get that up-to-date. Having said that, playing the demo, Nathan Blake was already playing for Wolves!!

Sorry I can't be much more help - am going off to play.....guess what?

[Latvian Eagle]

1. Steve Kabba's on a free in the game for some reason

2. Why are Bobby Wilde and Jon Clarke still there? They left two seasons ago

[spy]

The wost thing is not being able to play Kirovski, Popovic, Rubins and Kolinko at the same time.

I agree that the valuations of players are too low, especially morrison, mullins and gray. Dean Austin's position has been wrong in every version of CM I can remember but I don't think I have ever played him regularly anyway.

Is Damian Matthew really a coach at Palace?

[RDSdaEAGLE]

I wonder who does the stats for CPFC! They've been disgracefully wrong for the last 3 seasons of CM.

Morrison is rated poorly in every new game. Yet every season (in real life) he kicks arse.

Gray is far better than the stats suggest.

Mullins does get good, but it takes at least 2 seasons

Youth players could be updated. Gareth Williams (forward), Wayne Routledge (winger), Lance Cronin's stats seem to be wrong(I'm sure he isn't 14) Ryan Williams (midfield), Sean Hankin (he was in the last version, yet has misteriously vanished), Scott Gooding, Richard Howell, Rob Kember.

All the CPFC statician has to do is look at the back of the program...not that flippin' difficult!

[Symon10]

its difficult to give austin a position on the footy pitch!! he's useless. he is however originally a DR and only at palace he has developed more into a DC as well.

[arussell]

Originally posted by CM_Addicted
I've downloaded the new CM 01/02 demo and was utterly appalled at the statistics that they have for the Palace squad! I've been told by Marc Vaughan (SI Games) if we can get the details to them quick enough, the team can be corrected. I'm at work at the moment and I can't remember all the problems, but for a start;


Tell 'em to send me an e-mail and I'll sort them out with the proper details and squad etc ;)

I seem to remember the only time it was half right was when I supplied them with info a few versions back - the CM guys are not known for getting their Palace stuff right !

[Latvian Eagle]

Can someone also give them a correct squad numbers list, and can someone tell me why in the game Damian Matthew is a coach? Is there something I don't know?:confused:

[spy]

Originally posted by Symon10
its difficult to give austin a position on the footy pitch!! he's useless. he is however originally a DR and only at palace he has developed more into a DC as well.

Considering he has now been at Palace for 3 seasons (playing centre back most of the time) you would have thought they could get it right by now.

I've just noticed that, in addition to Damian Matthew being a coach, Glenn Cockerill and John Cartwright are still coaches and Steve Kember is still only a scout!!

[Marco]

Originally posted by Latvian Eagle
Can someone also give them a correct squad numbers list, and can someone tell me why in the game Damian Matthew is a coach? Is there something I don't know?:confused:

I know last season Damian Matthew was coaching one of the youth sides, u-14s or something like that, don't know if thats changed or not.

There was a post on the Holmesdale.net from one of the guys at SI asking for a Palace researcher, they've obviously not found one yet looking at some of the data....

[Jaffa]

No, Damien is now at Chelsea as a coach.

He was at Palace for part of last year, scouting.

[CM_Addicted]

I sent these corrections to Marc Vaughan, he replied to me this morning and has confirmed that they will be made for the full release.

"Clinton Morrison:
Starts off in reserve squad and only valued at 500k!! He nearly went for 5m to Sunderland last season! He should be worth at least 2.5m. Also his finishing is only 12, which we think this is a bit low. It should be set to around 14-15.

Haydon Mullins:
Again starts off in reserve squad. Middlesbrough supposedly offered 3.5m for him, just under a year ago. His stats seem ok but I think his reputation made need to be higher.

Dean Austin:
He plays at centre back for us, so his position should be D RC.

Rubins & Kolinko:
They don't require work permits. I'm not sure why, but if you look at the squad for the game against Grimsby, Popovic (Australian), Rubins (Latvian), Kirovski (American), Kolinko (Latvian) - this would be an impossible line up in CM. I know Popovic and Kirovski definetly require permits, so I don't think Rubins and Kolinko do.

Steve Kember:
He is a coach - not a scout.

Bobby Wilde & John Clarke:
Both were released a few years ago.

Transfer Money:
1.5m is too low. Simon Jordon has said Bruce has around 5m to spend."

[Neil]

Top work fella!

Of course, will probably still use the data editor to, erm, fashion things my way to make things a little easier.

I'm such a cheat.

Bring on October 12th!

[Joe Knight]

i'll believe it when i see it.....

i hope the changes are made in time - i can understand them making small errors but having Morrison and Mullins in the reserves...well..that's just plain dumb..

roll on 12th October 2001

[CM_Addicted]

Hi,

Consider it done ...

Have Fun,

Marc



The reply I received from Marc Vaughan (Lead programmer at SI Games) this morning....

If there is anything I haven't included in my corrections, please let me know.

[Joe Knight]

how about steve vickers on loan?

and a better photo of selhurst park (if there is one)

and simon jordan should be a much more 'hands on' chairman ie interfering with transfers etc

[Dartford Lad]

I haven't seen the demo, but have they included Bowen and Bullivant as coaches or any new youth players???

[SYorksEagle]

Originally posted by CM_Addicted


Rubins & Kolinko:
They don't require work permits. I'm not sure why, but if you look at the squad for the game against Grimsby, Popovic (Australian), Rubins (Latvian), Kirovski (American), Kolinko (Latvian) - this would be an impossible line up in CM. I know Popovic and Kirovski definetly require permits, so I don't think Rubins and Kolinko do.

[/B]

Latvia is a member of the EEA, so work permits aren't required It's the same with Iceland and Switzerland, I think.
Kirovski is married to a bird from Portugal I think, and as such as a Portugeese national by marriage, so doesn't need a work permit.

[CM_Addicted]

Originally posted by SYorksEagle

Kirovski is married to a bird from Portugal I think, and as such as a Portugeese national by marriage, so doesn't need a work permit.

Wasn't Kirovski's transfer slowed down though because we had to wait for his work-permit?

[CM_Addicted]

Originally posted by SYorksEagle


Latvia is a member of the EEA, so work permits aren't required It's the same with Iceland and Switzerland, I think.


Do you mean EU? Latvia are not in that, only the following countries are:

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Portugal
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom

[The Eagleman]

Look forward to these changes. Well done CM_addicted :p

[pete eagle]

Steve kember is assistant manager not a coach
Also the rules for division 1 are that you can have 5 non EU players in your starting squad.
For example when we had Fan, Jovan, Rubins and Kirovski and klink in the same squad.
But in the Premiership you can only have 3 non EU players

[Jaffa]

Latvia is part of the European Economic Area and therefore shares the same employement rights as EU members.

This is why Kolinko and Rubins arent foreigners.

[Riccardo]

Originally posted by Joe Knight
simon jordan should be a much more 'hands on' chairman ie interfering with transfers etc

Good point. He should suggest potential buys to the manager.

Good work CM Addicted. :p

[Palace]

Kolinko and Harrison are both left footed.

Wayne Carlise is a RIGHT sided midfieder only.

Likewise Rubins is a LEFT sided midfielder only.

I know forwards can play in midfield, but Black is only really an Attacking midfielder at most, not a forward.

May be a bit late, but there are a few more.

[Daniel_Nash]

There is a forum on the http://community.sigames.com site about Bug reports.

Why doesnt someone from here ask to be the Palace researcher? if there is so much wrong then surely someone has enough time and a passion to fix it?

[Daniel_Nash]

Marc Vaughan is a good guy, he'll fix it :)

They also had the Spurs chairman as a 20yr old defender playing for Spurs.. :confused:

In one of the testing games i had Alan Shearer wasn't internationally retired, so it had him "lighting up" the World Cup 2002 but that was because someone had changed Newcastle (Aussie team) to the same as Newcastle (English side) and registered Shearer with the Aussie side, so he must be able to play for England!

Roll on October 12th indeed!!

*coughs* Buy Philippe Mexes, and Arjen Robben *coughs*

[Elninho]

No, Kirovski's transfer was not slowed by a work permit. It was slowed by protracted negotiations with Sporting Lisbon.

Kirovski is a Portuguese national by marriage and therefore does not require a work permit.

[Marco]

Originally posted by Daniel_Nash
Marc Vaughan is a good guy, he'll fix it :)


Brighton scum...

[Brett]

UEFA agreed recently that 2 tiers below EU member states would allow players from those countries to count as 'EU nationals'.

Basically, players from states classed as B and C category, can ply their trade anywhere in the EU without the need for a work permit.

B States (ie those with agreements with the EU and in the process of EU integration)...
Lithuania
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Poland
Romania
Slovenia
Slovakia
Turkey

C states (ie those with agreements of collaboration with the EU)...
Russia
Cyprus
Morocco
Malta
Algeria
Tunisia
Georgia
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Uzbekistan
Krygyzstan
Kazakhstan
Belarus
Ukraine
Moldova

Someone should tell Marc Vaughan. Quickly.

[Daniel_Nash]

What does a "Collaboration" state mean with regard to WPs?

I hate that i can loan players from Argentina, or foreign players with no caps to English sides.. but cannot play them because of a Work Permit!

For example, i loaned Jaroslav Sedivec from Juve (a 19yr old Czech Striker) and couldn't play him... i loaned Fernando Cavenaghi from River (a 17 yr old striker, who is top class). Why does it let me loan these players when i cannot play them!!

[Brett]

Bug in the game Dan.

With ref to the 'collaboration of agreement'; basically these countries agree to deal with EU countries on EU legal terms. And as such, employees in the C category countries can move and work anywhere in the EU, just as an EU national would.

[Daniel_Nash]

Originally posted by Brett
Bug in the game Dan.

With ref to the 'collaboration of agreement'; basically these countries agree to deal with EU countries on EU legal terms. And as such, employees in the C category countries can move and work anywhere in the EU, just as an EU national would.
So they don't need Work permits.

Do Chinese players need Wok Permits ;)

[Brett]

Dan, players from any of those countries that I listed, either A or B, should not require work permits.

This is a huge miss for CM, as I've played the demo and see no trace of this.

Oh well, looks like I'll have to edit it myself again. :rolleyes:

[Daniel_Nash]

Originally posted by Brett
Dan, players from any of those countries that I listed, either A or B, should not require work permits.

This is a huge miss for CM, as I've played the demo and see no trace of this.

Oh well, looks like I'll have to edit it myself again. :rolleyes:

The demo is not the final release you know, the changes people have suggested may still be incorporated. There is hope!

So, what about the Wok Permits for Chinese players??!

[Brett]

Originally posted by Daniel_Nash
So, what about the Wok Permits for Chinese players??!

Daniel...

[arussell]

Originally posted by Daniel_Nash
There is a forum on the http://community.sigames.com site about Bug reports.

Why doesnt someone from here ask to be the Palace researcher? if there is so much wrong then surely someone has enough time and a passion to fix it?


I've been in touch with them in the past Daniel - surely if they're serious about it - there's nothing to stop them getting in touch with me again ?

As Brett says - we'll just have to correct it ourselves again !!!

Actually I have to say - the more versions that come out - the more slack they seem to be getting with these things. Or is it just a result of the Collyer's no longer being involved I ask myself ?

[Daniel_Nash]

Originally posted by arussell


I've been in touch with them in the past Daniel - surely if they're serious about it - there's nothing to stop them getting in touch with me again ?


It comes out in about 2 weeks, so... you can hope. It's worth a go and if they are serious you'd expect them to sort it out.

The Collyer's involvement has been declining since CM3.. so.. maybe.

[CM_Addicted]

I think the database is now getting too big for them to keep accurately up to date. Maybe they need to employ a few researchers rather than just rely on finding 'freeby' supporters.

[Daniel_Nash]

Originally posted by CM_Addicted
I think the database is now getting too big for them to keep accurately up to date. Maybe they need to employ a few researchers rather than just rely on finding 'freeby' supporters.

Apply for it then, if you want to help out. Gotta be worth while.

[CM_Addicted]

I don't think they could afford me!! :D

[Dartford Lad]

I put myself forward, as I am the head researcher at Anco.

They just said they would keep me on file.

[Daniel_Nash]

One of my earlier posts on this thread moans about loaning players who can;t get work permits.

Well, something suspicious has happened in my game... Fernando Cavenaghi has been on loan with Spurs for 3 months, 1 to go. Not been able to play a game, and never played for River or Argentina.

NOW, he couldn't speak English. But, i have just seen he is now Argie/English!!! He has been at Spurs for 3 months and not played a game! He is 18 now.

Think he may have got himself a wife???

[Brett]

More like the dirty Argie b'stard was dolloping our birds until he got one up the duff and she threatened him with the CSA unless they got hitched.

Evil Norf Lundun whores... ;)

[Daniel_Nash]

Originally posted by Brett
More like the dirty Argie b'stard was dolloping our birds until he got one up the duff and she threatened him with the CSA unless they got hitched.

Evil Norf Lundun whores... ;)

Yep, and yep :), still it's a weird thing. It happened just before his loan deal terminated and i couldn't ask to get him again because of the transfer deadline.

Should see 'em round here though.. not nice.

[Latvian Eagle]

Originally posted by arussell


I've been in touch with them in the past Daniel - surely if they're serious about it - there's nothing to stop them getting in touch with me again ?

As Brett says - we'll just have to correct it ourselves again !!!

Actually I have to say - the more versions that come out - the more slack they seem to be getting with these things. Or is it just a result of the Collyer's no longer being involved I ask myself ?

I think Al's the best man for the job, he's who I get all my information off of to change the game, however if they will not accept him I have put my name forward to be Palace's CM researcher, so if any of us get it we have to work together to get the information correct

[Daniel_Nash]

The more people who ask about it or apply for it the better. Shows a desire to help, and if more people can help then it would probably make the game better.

Bring on Oct 12th

[Palace]

Good idea Latvian. If say 5-10 people work together then surely no longer CM can be so wrong (for Palace at least). Also saves me having to completely change the whole database whenever i get a new version!