Paul Kitson - on loan, why???

[Harry Holmesdale]

According to West Ham's website we have signed him for a month, why another bloody loan signing!!!

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I just don't want us to be a laughing stock any more, is that too much to ask?

[Blind_Eagle]

Maybe it is astute management?

[TAK]

Is that our loan players allocation all used up then?

[Neil, yes, another one!]

Originally posted by screamingalice:
[B]
A week or two ago he was off to Birmingham, that move appears to have fallen through, why ? Perhaps its his fitness level.B]

it fell thru (apparently) for the same reason we didn't get Beattie - these players couldn't agree personal terms. Greedy, the lot of em... i remember when i were a lad...etc etc

[Mendosa]

Originally posted by screamingalice:


I do not think we are skint, but it may well be that there is not as much dosh sloshing around as we have been lead to believe...its easy to let the media have a story that you are offering £3m for players, but paying up is another matter..

I don't think it's anything of the sort, to be honest. I'm sure Jordan has all the money available if the player is right. The reason we're taking people in on loan and not buying people easily is because we're a bit late into the race - most other teams sorted out the majority of their buying and selling in the close season. It's that bit harder to find good players to buy at the right price now.

[exiled in Wales]

Why? - Well I would have thought that was obvious, because we don't score enough. We need to maintain a decent position in the table until we can get long-term signings that are up to the job, if that's going to take another month then we need someone who can score in the meantime. Because if we go 2 or 3 games losing 1-0 and slip down the table everyone starts threads about sacking Smith... just a thought http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

[Spikemeister]

Spot on..... Exiled in Wales.
That's it in a nutshell. Plus perhaps we are waiting to see the outcome of the EC adjuducation on transfer fees (set for 20th Sept ?). It would be rather crazy for splash ou £2-3 m 1 week before transfer fees don't count anymore .

[Laurie]

Come on everyone. What the hell has Kitson done for the past few years? Is he any better than Forsell? I think not. I know he scored against us last year, but then who doesn't. Kitson is yet ANOTHER LIGHTWEIGHT forward and we have plenty of those.

[SE25 exile]

Originally posted by Laurie:
Come on everyone. What the hell has Kitson done for the past few years? Is he any better than Forsell? I think not. I know he scored against us last year, but then who doesn't. Kitson is yet ANOTHER LIGHTWEIGHT forward and we have plenty of those.



Good incentive then for Forsell to start knocking 'em in again, eh?

[SIKO]

Originally posted by Laurie:
Come on everyone. What the hell has Kitson done for the past few years? Is he any better than Forsell? I think not. I know he scored against us last year, but then who doesn't. Kitson is yet ANOTHER LIGHTWEIGHT forward and we have plenty of those.



Sorry but I see it differently. In the short term, Im hoping he may well help out Morrison and Forsell. We havent had anyone scouting for a while, and as someone said we missed the boat a bit due to having no money. We desperately need someone experienced up front who can coach Morrison, and help him along. That will give us time to hunt around for someone more permantly. Paul Stewart worked out great for us in the past, so hopefully Kitson can do the same.

[hong_kong_hg]

Originally posted by exiled in Wales:
Because if we go 2 or 3 games losing 1-0 and slip down the table everyone starts threads about sacking Smith... just a thought http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

Harsh...but fair!

[Burr]

I think it is better to get a player on-loan than buy him outright. While his is on-loan both parties can have a good look at each other and see if they will be suitable. A player may not like the setup here and likewise the management might not like his attitude, overall skill or even how his personality fits into the current squad.

All these things matter. As for the price going up, a sensible manager would agree a rough buying price before the loan commenced, so at the end of it they won't get ripped off. If they do end up paying a little more for a tried and tested player, then I think that is a good thing.

Just think what would happen if we had taken Zohar or Ismael on loan for a month or two. Would we have taken them on? I think not.

[This message has been edited by Burr (edited 14 September 2000).]

[bald-eagle]

I don't believe Kitson is better than morrison, mckenzie or forsell, and for that reason I can't see the logic in getting him on loan or otherwise.
We need someone to hold the ball up a little bit - like stevie claridge but ten years younger. Also we need a ball playing midfielder.

[Fat Andy]

I feel Kitson will be good for us, we must have the youngest attack on the planet and we need a bit of experience up front, Kitson is a good finisher which we lack and if he's with us until we buy someone permanently then it makes perfect sense to me.

[Essexeagle]

God I love the people on here...is there anyone who we would be happy to have play for us? we aren't f*cking Man Utd or Juventus you know...we don't have out pick of the top players...when he plays, Kitson has a decent goalscoring record.

Can't wait for the nest thread - Salas and Zidane on loan...why??

[Harry Holmesdale]

Overall, he has scored 15 goals in 54 games for the Hammers. He also hit ten for Newcastle in 36 games, and 36 for Derby in 105 appearances, including a long spell in Division One. The 5ft11in forward began his career at Leicester, scoring six times in 50 games.

So 67 in 245, good strike rate??

I WANT to be proved wrong, please prove me wrong Mr Kitson......

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I just don't want us to be a laughing stock any more, is that too much to ask?

[Eagle]

I think with getting Kitson on looan just gives us more options.
Smith now has a choice of 4 strikers, Morrison, McKenzie, Forssell, and now Kitson.
With Kitson on loan it gives us the option to have a look at him and decide from there.
If he scores us the goals then i won't be complaining but i'll give the man time to prove himself instead of criticising him straight away like some others do.

[ajp]

Well Harry, 67 into 245 is more than a goal every four matches, so not too bad then. This especially when you consider that he's now playing in the Nationwide One where as a lot of his 67 goals in 245 performances were scored in the Premiership, a much harder league and so he'll find it easier to score in division one surely. Another point is that surely Kitson is not the player we are looking at to score the lion share of the goals, that is Clinton Morrison. I see Kitson as more the foil for the main striker than the prolific goalscorer himself.

This loan move is good as it gives us time to find a good player for the right price, otherwise teams would of known how desperate we were for a striker and tryed to rip us off, 2 million for Shipps(forever a Palace hero but not worth that now!) and a staggering 3 million for Beattie from that team with a second division stadium are just examples of this.

[This message has been edited by ajp (edited 14 September 2000).]

[Stellavista]

There seems to be a rather important factor in the equation that is being missed by the majority.
Without Kitson, we have three recognised strikers. One of those disappears off on international duty every now and then.
What sort of position will we be in if Clinton or Leon,or both, get injured?
We still have a painfully thin squad, so any reasonable addition, even on loan, can only help.
A smart move, in my book, that buys us time while we hunt for ideal man, at the right price.

[wedgetail]

Why?, because we need another striker and Smith can't get who he wants (yet).

[SIKO]

On loan is better than not at all

[tjmill]

Danish target sounds good to me but whilw we search for the right man, Kitson is exactly what we need.
Get behind him on Sat vs Norwich and Im sure he will do well.

Come on Palace!

[screamingalice]

Kitson is a crock and will be off the pitch more than on it. Why waste money paying him wages for not playing. A week or two ago he was off to Birmingham, that move appears to have fallen through, why ? Perhaps its his fitness level. Who would we leave out after Tuesdays performance anyway. Bent or Shipps are the answer to our problems up front.

[Harry Holmesdale]

Originally posted by SIKO:
On loan is better than not at all

but is it?? if they do well the price to sign goes up, and if they are average then it is halting progress of A.N. Other.

I alweays thought teams that signed loan players did so because of injuries/suspensions/skint, now we do not fall into any of those categories do we?


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I just don't want us to be a laughing stock any more, is that too much to ask?

[screamingalice]

I do not think we are skint, but it may well be that there is not as much dosh sloshing around as we have been lead to believe...its easy to let the media have a story that you are offering £3m for players, but paying up is another matter..

[Andy in Rome]

Everybody agrees that we need an extra striker (OK, nobody agrees who it should be...)

We know that Smith is still looking for the right man to sign on a permanent basis (leastways that's what it looks like from this week's Croydon Advertiser).

So rather than wait maybe another month till he finds his man, he's done something in the short term.

Sounds good business to me....

[TAK]

Can Kitson take penalties?

[SIKO]

Originally posted by TAK:
Can Kitson take penalties?


I hope so, we need a decent penalty taker. At the moment Id feel more comfortable if we signed Tinky-winky or lala to take them for us.

[Mickey Droy's twin]

It does not matter if Kitson is a "better" player than we already have. What matters is that he is a "different" player than we already have.
No the name Kitson on the team sheet does not inspire me on its own but he could vastly improve the way our team plays. Rather than knocking the ball long for Morrison or Leon to chase or for Forsell to flick on, we can get the ball to Kitson and he can hold the ball and wait for Black/Grey/Mullins to join in.
He is also intelligent enough to find space in the area to score tap ins, which we are in desperate need of.

[Al From Bromley]

Laurie - is there anyone you actually LIKE at palace? Its a serious question, cos on the search I can only find comments from you criticising, apart from Mullins who you suggest is a bottler and Shipperley who you don't commit yourself about.

Go on, name a player you like! You know you want to! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[lightweight]

apart from anything else - it might show morrison / mckenzie / forsell that there's more competition and they're not automatically going to be played in any one game.

and it does give us a chance to assess whether he's any good or not - no matter who we get someone's gonna whinge.

[Fat Andy]

Good shout Lightweight, I think we'd see a different Clinton if he knew he a little competition. At the moment he does seem to realise that he will never be dropped.

[Gerry from Sussex]

Kitson's scoring record is only average to be fair but there are two other points to consider:

1. Even if he is not a 25 a season striker, his average is still quite a bit better than any of our existing strikers - on current/recent form at least.

2. I can't understand how anyone can start moaning about him before he has even pulled on a shirt. Why not give him a few games before passing judgement.

[ajp]

Well I'm not against the idea of us signing Shipperly again, it's just got to be for the right price, as the adder says under two million. It's just a feeling but after selling Hignett Barnsley still need to strengthen their squad and with little money they may be forced to sell players for reasonable prices to raise cash.

Quite apart from the fact that Shipps is one of may favourite all time Palace players, he came good when it mattered at the end of the 96-97 season. He really was one of the main reasons for us making the play-offs and then winning them that year. So this proves he has the right approach. Shipps goal scoring record was not amazing but not bad either and as someone who can hold the ball up would be great for Clinton to play along side.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Al from Bromley:
Laurie - is there anyone you actually LIKE at palace? Its a serious question, cos on the search I can only find comments from you criticising, apart from Mullins who you suggest is a bottler and Shipperley who you don't commit yourself about.

Go on, name a player you like! You know you want to! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

Ta for that Al. Actually there are ONLY a few players I do not like at Palace, the obvious ones being Ruddock (who everyone knows I hate),Harrison, Pollock and Austin.
I love the following players , Mullins is tremendous (I made the comment bottler as a joke cos I think he is our best penalty taker and he stopped taking them after 1 miss)and a future England player,Clinton, Tommy , Julien, Fan(my fav player), Simon, Wayne, Roscoe, Sean , I love em all.My fav players are Zdane, Zola, Rivaldo, Di Cannio, Desailly, Klivert,Figo,Chivu and Davids. Unfot we won't get our hands on that little lot. The only players I critisise are those I think are dinosaurs, clumsy, unskilffful, unfit and , in my opinion, useless. And I'm notRodney Marsh in disguise.
And just to finish, my fav Palace players of all time are Nige, John Jackson, Ian wright, Kenny sansom, andy Gray , Vince Hillaire,
Don Rogers, and Rachid Harkouk. All pretty skillful I admit and not a donkey centre half to be seen. Sorry put Jimbo in my fav list too.

[Bud Eagle]

Originally posted by Laurie:
Actually there are ONLY a few players I do not like at Palace, the obvious ones being Ruddock (who everyone knows I hate),Harrison, Pollock and Austin...... The only players I critisise are those I think are dinosaurs, clumsy, unskilffful, unfit and , in my opinion, useless.

What are you talking about? OK, maybe Harrison and on occasion Austin, but Ruddock has been Rock solid for us at the back. When he heads the ball out of defence it is controlled and to a player (unlike Fan who just seems to smack it as hard as he can with his head in any direction as long as its away from the goal). Also, did you completely miss the pass he made to Morrison on Tuesday for the goal?? Jeez.

And as for Pollock, well personally I think he is our best signing this season - he can fight for the ball and pick out long passes with ease it seems.

How you can slate them is beyond me.

[SEVENOAKS EAGLE]

Originally posted by screamingalice:

Bent or Shipps are the answer to our problems up front.
BANG ON , JUST WHATS NEEDED.LETS GET BOTH.

[This message has been edited by SEVENOAKS EAGLE (edited 15 September 2000).]

[muswell eagle]

Surely the point about Kitson is that he prefers to play off a centre forward and is therefore too similar to Morrison, Forsell and McKenzie. We need a leader of the line like Shipps or Sheron (who was only a sub on Tues) for the others to feed off.

At least he has scored more recently at the Holmesdale end than McKenzie, who always seems to do better attacking the Whitehorse end for some reason.