Shipperley And Booth

[arussell]

According to the Adder - we are weighing up a bid for Shipps, and have made an attempt to sign Andy Booth from Sheffield Wednesday.

Now I have suggested these two signings for some while now - maybe someone does listen after all !

I'd be delighted if we got them both - don't be fooled by Shipps poor form on Sunday and Tuesday - he's not getting any service from anyone at Barnsley right now.

[James Varcoe]

Jesus Christ Alan, is there anything you don't know, any influence you don't have.

Why didn't you warn us about the petrol shortages you bu**er

[arussell]

Sorry James - but I don't use petrol myself -prefer public transport .. anyway I made sure the beer is still in stock for you didn't I ? http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

And if Kevin T is watching I know where to get cheap ......

[Jason]

Andy Booth would be cool !. .. . . not so sure about Shipps though. . ..I think going back for ex - playwers tends to be a backwartd step. Having said thazt. We do need that sort of player, so either would be good

[Barney Gumble]

Jason... I am glad it is just me that thinks we should look to the future. Shipps, bless him, is as good as he will ever get. I sea yor spelin iz az gud az myne... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[AJ]

Shipps is too highly priced at 2m. I suppose based on that assumption, could we get 1m for Stephen Hunt?

[Adrian]

Having Shipps back would be good - but not for the £2m Bassett is reported to want....

Say, £850k?

[arussell]

I agree - he's not worth that sort of money.

Nearer to 1 million (which he always goes for) would be about right - but Bassett needs the cash and I guess that don't really want to get rid of him if they can.

[Burr]

Sorry Alan, but as I have told you before, I think buying Ships would be taking a step backwards. He is a solid Division 1 player (i.e. 10-15 goals a season), but I believe we need more than that. We want to be getting someone who can stay with us for the next 6 or 7 years (at their peak) but who has some experience, i.e. someone aged around 25 or 26.

Ships is around this age (I believe) but has already reached his best and won't ever set the Premiership alight. His little run a few years back wasn't as special as you may remember and sadly I can't see it happening again.

The sort of player we want to be getting is 'the next TM' Matt Jansen. Hard I know, but that is the sort of player we should be looking for and what's more we COULD afford to get him. Granted that doesn't solve the 'tall target man' that we want, but class shines through. You yourself have said we need two good strikers.

[richit]

Originally posted by Adrian:


Say, £850k?

I'd say £500k. at a push

[Big Fella]

If I had to choose between Shipps at £2 million, Booth at £2 million and Beattie at £3 million, it would be welcome back Neil any time. Of course Barnsley want that type of money, they are not going to get rid of their main forward on the cheap. Any half decent goalscorer is now worth that price.

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[henryhallandhisbasque]

What do we do with Neil Shipperly if we get back into the Premiership? He is not going to score regularly in that league is he?

[Glaws Eagle]

One step at a time.

Lets find our feet in this league first.

Finish top ten this season, then look out .........

We could do with some experienced division One players.

But Shipperly??? Wouldn't that be a backward step?

[Fat Andy]

Funny that 2 games ago some people said we might go down and now we're going strainght up!

remember who and where we are,Shipps would do a good job for us and could be the perfect foil for Clinton. Someone moaned that he'd only score 10-15 goals in this division, that would be 10-15 more than Leon!

[Al From Bromley]

"Jesus Christ Alan"

Really? Did Jesus wear Dunlop Green Flashes? Did Jesus complain about the price of wine and water in his local? Did Jesus get two of the disciples muddled up ("No believe me, I know all the disciples and it was DEFINITELY Peter, not Paul. Paul is 2 foot shorter and has brown hair")? Did Jesus go to disciple youth games as well as the Friday nights out with the boys? We need to be told. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Al from Bromley (edited 15 September 2000).]

[James Varcoe]

Did Jesus have direct influence over the Selhurst Park bar tariff?

[baroli]

After we played Southampton in the prem on Boxing Day '97, I spoke to a couple of Southampton fans in the pub who could not believe how quick and sharp Shipperley was looking. He seemed to be one of those players who really needed to getfit and motivated before putting in his best and at the time he was performing well for us.

I did not get along to Tuesday's game (have not spoken to my boss since!) but if he is looking sluggish, we know he has the capability to improve if motivated.

[Adrian]

Ok, ok that's it then. Shipps back for £1m. He wants to come, he's looking good, we need the 12.5 (averaged figure!) goals and sod the Premiership for a bit: let's just get back to reminding everyone who we are and that we're SERIOUS.

Over to you, SJ....

[arussell]

Originally posted by Al from Bromley:
Did Jesus go to disciple youth games as well as the Friday nights out with the boys? We need to be told.


Sorry to disappoint you Al and James, but that was only me I'm afraid http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

You can give me a little bit of credit for the beer prices though if you want http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[arussell]

Bring him back !

He wants to come back and will play better when he's here.

The simple fact of the matter is that he gets no service at Barnsley at the moment and is left to plough away and scavenge upfront on his own.

Are you forgetting the rich vein of form he was on when we were in the premier league until he got injured ? - a goal a game at the time - including one against Gothenburg in a friendly.

He was playing well last year for Barnsley and knocked in thirteen or so goals (feeding off players like Hignett) which got them into the play-off's if you remember.

I wouldn't though - pay too much more than a million for his services. Although Barnsley are a selling club now - they are obviously relucatant to lose him, especially with Dyer on the list.

[SARN21O4LANE]

I wholeheartedly agree in bringing Shipps back to the Palace - any player that can score 10-15 goals a season is good enough for me and after speaking to him before the match on Tues eve, it is clear he would relish a return to Selhurst. His physical presence and keen eye for goal plus his experience could only benefit the team. If you are reading this SJ, please bring our beloved Shipps back a.s.a.p. THANX !

[Burr]

The statement by 'arussell' is...:

Originally posted by arussell:
Bring him back !
Are you forgetting the rich vein of form he was on when we were in the premier league until he got injured ? - a goal a game at the time - including one against Gothenburg in a friendly.

...THE WRONG ANSWER!!! You've just lost £500 and go away empty handed! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

Seriously though, I cannot understand why people want us to take a step backwards. History shows that players are rarely as good when they return to their former clubs - as the saying goes: "You should NEVER go back."

Shipperley is an average player and will always be so. He will huff and puff and give his all and in doing so make a lot of fans overlook how mediocre he really is. His 'rich vein of form' was overrated and Alan is talking much like a lot of people talked about Alan Pardew after one blo*dy goal vs. Liverpool - a little run does not a good player make.

I do NOT want us to make the Premier League this season (no danger of that anyway). We need to CONSOLIDATE after the ADMINISTRATION period (sorry Mr Chairman!) we have been through. That does not mean that we should buy average players who will do 'OK for now'.

Why can't we try to get a partnership like we had with Wright and Bright? THAT is what we should be looking for. Some strikers who are experienced enough not to be called 'youngsters', but who are also young enough to develop greatly over the next 3/4 years. When we got Wright and Bright they didn't set the world on fire straight away - it took time. Once they were going though, there was no stopping them. Palace need to do what we did back in their days: build a good team and keep the nucleus of it together for SEVERAL seasons.

So let's stop all this average boll*cks that is being passed around and think positive. Palace are building for the future. We want more players like Black and Gray in the team coupled with a few seasoned pros. We DON'T want 'been there, done that, got a C grade has beens' who will not take us into Premiership survival. (Remember that BOTH Chelsea and Southampton did not want to keep hold of him and now Barnsley may follow suit. That speaks volumes for me).

[Eagle]

Personally, if i had the choice between Neil Shipperley and Andy Booth i would choose.....
ANDY BOOTH

[Small number]

I think Neil shipperley would be a good signing... H ewill score 10-15 goals a season and will be a great partner for Morrison.

But I think people are being ridiculous if they think he would still be a first team striker if or when we go up in a few seasons, Smith has stated that if we go up he would need about 10million to spend I would asume this would include at least 1 player in each position. And I think that shipperly would be very adaquate COVER in the premiership.

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[Small number]

I think Neil shipperley would be a good signing... H ewill score 10-15 goals a season and will be a great partner for Morrison.

But I think people are being ridiculous if they think he would still be a first team striker if or when we go up in a few seasons, Smith has stated that if we go up he would need about 10million to spend I would asume this would include at least 1 player in each position. And I think that shipperly would be very adaquate COVER in the premiership.

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[Martin H]

Andy Booth gets my vote over shipps I am afraid. Loved him first time round but nahhhh he doesn't play well enough often enough. When he does he's great but . . .
Booth will consistently win the ball and will score. Over the season he will contribute more to the cause.

If we can't get anyone soon we should consider a low/no fee high wages buy for a season like sparky Mark Hughes. Too old I know, but that experience, good habits and ability to hold the line single handed would bring the youngsters along while we look for an alternate.

[Baloo]

Presumably the Shipps bid is dead, now that Barnsely have quoted £3 million as the asking price. And if that's fair value, then I dread to think what Sheff Wed will ask for Booth.

The £3 million price tag on Shipps illustrates the carelessness of our management to publicise how much we bid for Beattie, methinks...

[Daddy Long]

The good news is that Sheff Wed are in serious financial trouble and would probably accept a half decent off er now. Looks like they may well have to free tranfer Jonk and Hinchliffe to ease the wage bill. Surely then they would take some money for Booth!?!?

[arussell]

Sorry Burr - I still disagree with you - but then that's the wonderful thing about watching football, everyone's a manager http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

I firmly believe that if Shipperley and Lombardo had not got injured for the majority of that season - that we would have stayed up - and I'm certain that Neil would have scored more goals for us too.

As for Booth - would be very happy to get him too. Wednesday are in serious trouble at the moment and the clubs biggest financial backer wants out, the have off-loaded some players and have only signed average or lesser players to replace them (like Westwood from Crewe and Grayson from Blackburn).

Wolves tried to buy Booth before the start of the season and were quoted 750k ! - So I reckon we should steal him now.

And whilst we're there - how about grabbing De Bilde as well ??

[lightweight]

have to say this all sounds a bit horrible - oo look sheff wed in financial trouble let's nick all their players - when we were criticising other clubs for saying the same about us.

Fair enough if they are going to have to sell players and they'd be good for us - but every sympathy for a club in financial difficulties - we know what it's like.

As for Shipperley - maybe he's a similar player to Kevin Davies and shines at one club! - in which case fine - but not for 3mill - wouldn't be sorry to see him back - but not at that price

[arussell]

Originally posted by lightweight:
have to say this all sounds a bit horrible - oo look sheff wed in financial trouble let's nick all their players - when we were criticising other clubs for saying the same about us.


I don't think anyone was quite saying it like that Lightweight - it's just that Booth is known to be available - and at a reasonable price (a bit like Cureton when he left Bristol Rovers, although I hear today there was another reason for that after all !).

As for getting Shipps back - of course we shouldn't pay anything near 3 million, 1 yes but that would be the most we should fork out for him.

[Daddy Long]

yeah..I think you misunderstood my intentions, lightweight. I wasn't suggesting we mug Sheff Wed by paying less than he's worth. I was merely suggesting that they would be more likely to listen to offers now.

[wedgetail]

I would think offering Wednesday £800,000 for Booth at the moment would be an act of Charity given the current transfer uncertainty.

[Daddy Long]

Too true.

[Jason]

o why did Rovers ket Cureton go ARuaaell. . .I've been wondering about that for ages

[Laurie]

The only problem reg Booth is his marked reluctance to move from Yorkshire. We made a bid a few years back, but he wouldn't move then and only a few weeks ago, he stated he wanted to remain up North. So it would take quite a bit of persuasion to get him down to South London.

[arussell]

Originally posted by Jason:
o why did Rovers ket Cureton go ARuaaell. . .I've been wondering about that for ages


Remember what John Humphrey allegedly got up to on a pre-season tour ?

[Martin H]

Alan, errr no, what did he get up to?

A better hint maybe?

[Sandy of Cornwall]

Young ladies, Martin H. Very, very young ladies. Fisticuffs with management too.

[Daddy Long]

Laurie, I was thinking that myself but then I remembered that we had the same problem with Pollock not wanting to move South. I think Jordan can talk Booth round....so long as Wednesday let us talk to him.

[arussell]

I'm sure Booth would come - and the fee wouldn't be expensive - the problem MIGHT be the personal terms.

[Les Butler]

Teamtalk.............old news but news I think ??

Palace pull out of Shipperley swoop


The Eagles have pulled out of a deal to bring former striker Neil Shipperley back to the club after failing to agree a transfer fee.
Alan Smith has targeted Shipperley as one of the players that he wanted to sign in a bid to end the club's goal scoring problems.
But he has been put off by the valuation that Barnsley have placed on the head of the former Forest and Southampton man.
The South Yorkshire outfit want around £2 million for Shipperley with Smith unwilling to pay the fee despite having money to spend.
Smith has stated that he won't be rushing into making rash signings.
Shipperley himself is still well thought of at Selhurst Park and only left because of the club's financial position at the time.