Palace v Morton 1969

[Jack Regan]

This was the friendly played before our (and my) first ever game in the top flight versus Moan Utd.

Anyone know any facts about it, score/attendance etc ?

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Get your trousers on son, you're nicked!

[Jack Regan]

No answers to this one yet ?
I'd better ask on the Morton BBS then!

(and no, the programmes in the Trust office don't give any clues either)


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Get your trousers on son, you're nicked!

[Neil the Eagle]

I'll check when I get home tonight Jack. I bought this programme from the Trust office the other week, the original owner kindly filled in some match detail on the back.

I think we won two-nil (or was that a later game against Partick)

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[Jack Regan]

Cheers Neil - I knew I could rely on you.

The only reason I'm interested is that prior to the Moan Utd game which my dad took me to, I noticed signs around saying Palace v Morton pre-season friendly.

As an 10 year old, I pleaded with him to take me to that game instead. I've been curious all these years as to whether I missed anything (or not as the case may be!)

Interesting that you said we also played Partick at the same time - why ???

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[Lin - Woolpacker]

I can give you the score.

It was 1-1

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[Neil the Eagle]

Yes, Lin's correct it was 1-1, it was the Partick game in 1972 that finished 2-0. I bought both programmes on the same day - hence the confusion, sorry Jack!

[johnny]

I've got some photographs of this match somewhere,I'll put them up here for you next week.I think this game was arranged so Palace could get a close look at Morton's two Danish players:Per Bartram and Borge Thorup,who were both bought shortly afterwards.Bartram scored a couple of goals for us in the handful of games he played(one against Arsenal in a 5-1 home defeat and one against Sunderland)but wasn't a success,and Thorup played against Chelsea in an FA cup (?) tie and was dreadful as we got hammered,and they both vanished soon after to god knows where.

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[gcwhite]

Didn't we sign John Loughlan and Tony Taylor from Morton as well?

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[johnny]

Thats true,we signed them during 68/69.There must have been some sort of deal between the two clubs.Bert Head seemed to have a thing about scottish players,I thought most of them were good Queen,MaCormick,Taylor,Scott Hynd,Hughes,Wallace etc.David Provan was a bit of a bad signing though,remember him?,he came from Glasgow Rangers in 1970'ish and didn't seem to get a look in.

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[tomario]

Morton in a pre season? Sounds like a chance to do another ground, as long as its away from home of course.

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[Jack Regan]

Magnificent response to my question! I didn't think I'd get anywhere with it - thanks to you all.

Johnny...Re:- David Provan

According to my records David Provan played a few reserve games for Palace following his move from Rangers but only ever made 1 (yes one) league appearance. What was all that about then ?

Also, There's a David Provan (or Davy Provan) doing punditry for Sky these days for live Scottish Premier games - is it the same bloke ?

Look forward to the photo's of the match as well !

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Get your trousers on son, you're nicked!

[Neil the Eagle]

Sorry to confuse the issue again, but I've finally eyeballed said programme, instead of relying on Nigel Sands Book for the score.

Whoever filled in the programme must have been seeing double when Palace scored and been asleep for Morton's goal, because it definately says 2-0 on the back of the prog and even has scorers noted - I'll put a scan up tonight if I get chance.

Can anyone who was at the game clear this up please? [Lin, I take it you were too young to be at the game?]

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[Neil the Eagle]

http://cpfc.org/ubb/uploads/morton.gif
Here it is - I think you can just make out the 2 0 handwritten in and the scorers noted as Lazarus and Kember.

I've checked the prog for the Man U game, which frustratingly doesn't mentioned the score only that "Steve Kember gave Palace a 20min lead after a carefully rehearsed free kick drill involving Woodruff & Queen"

Someone out there must know more about this game??

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[Jack Regan]

Excellent investigative work Neil! Having got this far with enquiries I'm determined to get to the bottom of this. After all it was a friendly staged 31 years ago!

Steve Kember might remember something about it, after all he did play in it.

I'd also like to know more info about this David Provan from Rangers that played once for us. What happened, was his career ended on his debut for us? - was he just rubbish ? Presumably he cost a bit of money so what went wrong, was he the first ever "bad" signing" for the Glaziers ?

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Get your trousers on son, you're nicked!

[Lin - Woolpacker]

Can anyone who was at the game clear this up please? [Lin, I take it you were too young to be at the game?]


You're right I wasn't at the game. I'll leave the reason that I was too young!

I got the info from "We all follow the Palace". It also gives info about the other pre-season friendlies that year:

Chelsea beat us 2-0
We beat Asante Kotoko 3-1 (I bet everyone remembers them) and then it gives the Morton score as 1-1.

Your programme, though, looks pretty good evidence for the 2-0 although it would be nice to clear it up properly.

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[Neil the Eagle]

Originally posted by Lin - Woolpacker on 03-07-2000 01:55 PM

I got the info from "We all follow the Palace". It also gives info about the other pre-season friendlies that year:

Chelsea beat us 2-0
We beat Asante Kotoko 3-1 (I bet everyone remembers them) and then it gives the Morton score as 1-1.



The world famous Ashante Kotoko - Ghana's equivalent to Santos.

[Gooders]

The game against Morton was the first game I ever went to. I was 9 years old and one of my older sisters took me.

After a few minutes I asked her when the commentator was going to start talking and letting us know what was going on. The memory of that comment always raises a chuckle at family reunions.

I have a great memory for all things football. The score was absolutely definitely 1-1.

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[Gooders]

...and what's more, I don't know what colours Morton wear now but I'm pretty certain that on that day they had on Green (!) shirts, White shorts and Green socks.

Very fetching.

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[Jack Regan]

tap, tap, tap,

Silence in Court, All rise for His Honour Judge Jack Regan

I have listened with great interest to all the evidence put before me regarding the score of this most important match played over 31 years ago between Crystal Palace Casuals and Morton Engineers.

In spite of Neil the Eagle producing an exhibit (exhibit 1) of a match programme alleging the score to be 2-0, I am dismissing this as unreliable evidence.

Following postings by Lin and Gooders (the latter of which was present at the game) I rule that the score was indeed 1-1.

Many thanks to all who helped put this one to bed.

Next case please.

David Provan - was he injured or was he rubbish (or was he on a contract likely to bankrupt the club if he played too many games?)

If no-one knows I'll have to collar Steve Kember tonight for info. Not easy when you sit in the Gallery of the Holmesdale!



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[Neil the Eagle]

I wasn't arguing, honest m'lord ...

Morton play in Blue now. They had that famous hideous tartan kit a few years back.

BTW what block of the Gallery to you sit in Jack?

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[This message has been edited by Neil the Eagle (edited 07 March 2000).]

[Jack Regan]

I sit smack bang behind the goal, dunno what block it is though.

It's not my seat (my proper seat is up in the gods somewhere in block R). In fact for the last 5 years of my 5 year ticket I've actually sat in my proper seat about twice I think.

I get moved on occasionally in the Gallery but I generally don't have to move far.

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[Chocky]

Jack Regan, look at who was playing No 4 for Morton that day.

[Jack Regan]

Chocky,

Good spot! - I wonder if his team mates at the time did a bit of backward cockney rhyming slang and called him "Flying Squad"? Then again, maybe they didn't.

Neil,
I hate it when I'm moved on. Makes me feel like a right thieving pikey ear-ring wearing, dog on a string, new age traveller (or something)

If we were in Lambeth, you'd be forced to hand over the seat to me on account of me having squatters rights!

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[ammiller]

Jack - Was Your boss Frank Haskins playing at no 8?

23 posts? - this thread really has gone on too long!

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See you all at Foolham

[Jack Regan]

ammiller,

He did indeed play in the Scottish league for Morton - unfortunatly, he had to pack in the game after busting his hand trying to nick some ******* who was in a gang of villians carrying out an armed robbery on a wages van.

He got a bloody good kickin' down in the cells I can tell you. ******* .

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Get your trousers on son, you're nicked!

[Neil the Eagle]

Originally posted by Jack Regan on 03-08-2000 01:07 PM

If we were in Lambeth, you'd be forced to hand over the seat to me on account of me having squatters rights!



That guy in Lambeth is a Palace fan, his brothers are all season ticket holders!!

[johnny]

David Provan isn't the same person who is the TV pundit.Our Provan was a member of the Glasgow Rangers side of the 60's that won the inter cities fairs cup (or was it the cup winners cup?),along with Roger Hynd(Bill Shankley's son in law!).I think he was just past his best when he joined us,he had greying hair!.I wonder whether Bert Head HAD to get rid of him when he signed Hughes and Wallace from Celtic?!!.One thing of note about Provan was that he was an almost pro standard golfer,who won the annual competition to find the uk's best golfing footballer on a very regular basis,so he WAS good for something.
Another thing I've noticed from Neil's Morton programme is that their number 12,Pat Ferrie,also came to us with Thorup and Bartram,but only on trial,and I don't think he got a game.So thats yet another player from Morton.

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[Neil the Eagle]

That's right where I sit - I've probably shifted you out of my seat a few times!

[Neil the Eagle]

The boy Johnny strikes again!

[interested in sydney.]

I was at that game and can remember very little about it apart from the fact a Morton player was stretcherd off. Iremember it was quit boring , and i thought the score was 0 -0.

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[Neil the Eagle]

Don't you start us off again, Judge Regan has already ruled on this matter!

[Neil the Eagle]

And anyway, ALL pre-season friendlies are supposed to be boring - it's an unwritten rule of football

[Gooders]

Like I said - it was my first ever live game - it probably was quite dull but it didn't seem so to an impressionable 9 year old and it served to make me follow Palace for the last 30 odd years instead of Arsenal so it had at least one useful purpose!

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[stupalace]

Match report

[Gooders]

1-1.

:)

Does it say if Morton wore green?

[stupalace]

nope , but click on the magnyfing glass and its readable

[Strathclyde Eagle]

Yikes, since this thread was started I've got to know a Morton fan who's now my best mate up here.

You digging up any more old threads today Stu? Not a complaint, the items you've scanned are very interesting.

[Gooders]

nope , but click on the magnyfing glass and its readable

:p

[stupalace]

Yikes, since this thread was started I've got to know a Morton fan who's now my best mate up here.

You digging up any more old threads today Stu? Not a complaint, the items you've scanned are very interesting.

was looking for something on 98/99 . not found it yet
but coming across other stuff

[calne eagle]

Well, I'm trying to scan it in, but it seems to have united itself with a P60.

Anyway, my copy says:

Teams:

(Annotated)

Jackson
Sewell
Hoy Hynd
Blyth
Kember
Woodruff
Jackson (C)
Queen
Blyth
Taylor (T)

Subs Vansittart, Thorup, McCormick.

Morton:

Nielsen
Fergusson
Murray
Sweeney
Gray
McAteer
Harper
Rankin
Mason
Gallagher
Bartram
Sub: Ferrie

Morton team not annotated, but the Palace supporter may not have cared.

But Gallagher is marked as scoring.

[Barbara4003]

I was at this game and Morton wore a very fetching almost fluorescent green kit as I remember it.

Only problem with it is, as I remember it was an evening game and it got a bit smoggy, so unless they played Morton twice, my brain is confusing me :(

[Gooders]

It was definitely an afternoon game Barbara - I wouldn't have been allowed to stay up for an evening game. :)

Glad you remember the green kit like me though. :p

[Barbara4003]

Maybe it was a foggy day then. I can just remember thinking how clever of them to wear a colour like that so they can be seen in the fog :D

[Vince Hilaire's Afro]

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii266/snufflerdude/Hitchiesetc101.jpg

I used to go out with a girl from Greenock, this was while I was supporting Morton's Division 3 promotion campaign a few years back!

'Mon the 'Ton!

[Strathclyde Eagle]

Apparently when they won Division 2 in 2006/07 you would have thought they had won the Champions League. Cheerleaders and a pipe band on the pitch apparently.

Not that there's anything wrong with that of course. :D

[Barbara4003]

I'm beginning to wonder if we every played them again, because my memory is definitely telling me that the match I went to was an evening match and it was very cold and foggy.

I'm wondering if we ever played them in a cup game. Texaco cup or something along those lines?

[tony 1947]

I have not looked through all the thread. But Palace played Morton at home in 2 friendlies 1979.
May 2 1969 0-0 (Friday night)
Aug 2 1969 1-1 Kember scored

[Barbara4003]

I have not looked through all the thread. But Palace played Morton at home in 2 friendlies 1979.
May 2 1969 0-0 (Friday night)
Aug 2 1969 1-1 Kember scored

The Friday night one could be the one, but I wouldn't have thought it would have been cold and foggy in May. But then again, knowing this country, it could well have been :)

[telodaja]

It was definitely an afternoon game Barbara - I wouldn't have been allowed to stay up for an evening game. :)

Glad you remember the green kit like me though. :p

The game I remember was on a Friday night, maybe you were allowed to stay up and celebrate our promotion to Div 1.
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd331/telodaja/080826039.jpg

[calne eagle]

Ah, OK - the one I quoted was the Saturday 2/8/69 (3 weeks before my first Palace game - I was a Chelsea supporter then. And I have apologised before for that)

Dammit - I'll have to track the other programme down from a dealer....

[Gooders]

The game I remember was on a Friday night, maybe you were allowed to stay up and celebrate our promotion to Div 1.
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd331/telodaja/080826039.jpg

No - I hadn't heard of Crystal Palace then.

It was the August 2nd game I went to.

And yes Barbara - it could easily have been foggy in May back then - don't you remember the pea-soupers? :)

[calne eagle]

Pea-souper?

No, it's OK, I had one earlier.

[bonzobuck]

I am a regular on the Morton Forums. I will post the thread link and see what posts we can get from some of the longer in the tooth fans.

[ton5ssaints1]

Probably was the luminous lime green/lemony top that Morton played in. We had various hideous strips that season including a bright orange top.
Per Bartram, a big favourite with the fans, was affectionatly known as 'Batman' or 'the battering ram' due to his robust style of play and directness for goal.
Borge Thorup was a tall no-nonsense full-back but used in various positions, and apparantly now works locally up here and has done for some time.
Pat Ferry was a small player and I think used on the wing with one memorable headline reading 'Hearts Miss Boat As Ferry Strikes' after a 1-0 Morton victory at Tynecastle.
John Loughlin (full-back) was also a favourite with the Morton fans being a very steady player.
Tony Taylor - Mr Versatile - simply magic - played in every position apart from goal one season.
I remember I bought a Palace poster which featured some of these players when I was down in London for a Scotland England game at Wembley which I probably still have somewhere.