Betting advice for idiots/newbies

[stinky]

Hi y'all,

Hope I don't get laughed out of town by the hardcore betting crew, but I was after a bit of help/advice.

I've recently (in the last few weeks), started betting on bankers either in singles or accumulators. Doing pretty well, and am keeping on track with it by having a spreadsheet showing my bets, stakes, winnings, and total winnings vs. total outlay.

My bro. in law was the one who, a few months back, said 'not enough people bet on dead certs', so I started to do it and it's working for me. However, he's now telling me I should look at patents and trixies, but there's only so much he can explain via a text message.

The reason he advised this was because I was telling him the other say I had 5 matches I wanted to bet on, but was too nervous one wouldn't go to plan, so split them into a double and a treble instead. Turns out they all went to plan, but he said if I'm in a situation like that I should look at patents etc.

Can someone explain to me, in REALLY simple terms, what this means and how to do it. He's explained to a point, but I don't fully understand.

For example, if I made X amount of selections on my William Hill account, and they all appeared on my betting slip on the right, what do I do then? I usually just put an amount in the box which shows the odds on all the selected bets coming in, and it shows my potential return.

Sorry for sounding amateurish and simple, but I have a shortlist of 13 different selections for this weekend, ranging from domestic football and rugby, to european football, and am interested in using this method.

Cheers! and apologies for the length of the post

[€pfc]

A patent is made up of 3 singles, 3 doubles and 1 treble so 7 bets.
A Yankee is four selection but 11 bet no singles in this
A lucky 15 is a yankee plus singles 15 bets
Lucky 31 is 5 selections with all perms covered 31 bets
Lucky 63 6 selections 63 bets

to do 13 selections in all the perms is going to be a pricey bet

PS there is no such thing as a cert!

Have a look at a site called betcalc works out all types of perms for you

www.betcalc.com

[ardeo]

Try reading through this for types of bets: http://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/williamhill_lang.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1066&p_created=1021287916&p_sid=f_Bzv5Pj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=5745&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9NSw1JnBfcHJvZHM9MSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9MS4 xJnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9eWFua2Vl&p_li=&p_topview=1#2

Although when you are betting on lots of different matches i don't really see the point of having singles in there as well.

My advice generally would be if you have 13 selections, try and nail down and pick the best ones, or just stick to singles on all of them. If you are more right than wrong you'll slowly build up your winnings and can start to bet bigger in time.

[€pfc]

Bookies love the large accumulator bets also as more than likely 1 will let you down

[Al From Bromley]

Keep your permutations smallish, maximum of six or seven 'bankers' ( A Heinz or a Goliath I think they are, still 57 or 128 bets from memory). Reason I say this is years ago, probably 30, I had a 9 horse win accumulator and the first 8 won but the ninth came 2nd. I still haven't got over it!

[biggus mickus]

Although when you are betting on lots of different matches i don't really see the point of having singles in there as well.

Very good advice.

[stinky]

So, sorry, if I had a shortlist (by that I mean, ones I've earmarked to bet on, not necessarily meaning I'm going to bet on all of them) of the following, would it be best to whittle it down to ones I think are nailed on, and put them all in an accumulator?

Sorry if I sound stupid with all this

p.s. apologies for potentially betting on the Clowns to win..

Grays Ath v YORK
Airdrie Utd v PARTICK T
Stockport v CHARLTON
Lincoln v ROCHDALE
Kilmarnock v HIBS
B'ham & Sol v LONDON W (Rugger)
EXETER v Cov (Rugger)
BARCA v Espanyol
Zaragoza v BILBAO
Almeria v DEPORTIVO
Atalanta v INTER
PARMA v Bologna
AC v Palermo

[EagleSE24]

Lots of away wins there...

[Finbar]

Best advice I can give is to always make sure you get the best odds, or something close

Go to oddschecker.com, go to 'football' then 'football coupons', you can then make your selections and see which bookie offers you the best odds, even if you don't get the best you should hope to get something close.

Making lots of selections isn't always the best idea, suggest to open accounts with

Betfair, best for singles, normally on or around best odds after commission
Betdaq, best for multiples, normally on or around the best odds
Betchronicle, owned by same people as Betdaq but is a fixed odds bookie rather than an exchange, also very good for multiples

[Louis]

So, sorry, if I had a shortlist (by that I mean, ones I've earmarked to bet on, not necessarily meaning I'm going to bet on all of them) of the following, would it be best to whittle it down to ones I think are nailed on, and put them all in an accumulator?

Sorry if I sound stupid with all this

p.s. apologies for potentially betting on the Clowns to win..

Grays Ath v YORK
Airdrie Utd v PARTICK T
Stockport v CHARLTON
Lincoln v ROCHDALE
Kilmarnock v HIBS
B'ham & Sol v LONDON W (Rugger)
EXETER v Cov (Rugger)
BARCA v Espanyol
Zaragoza v BILBAO
Almeria v DEPORTIVO
Atalanta v INTER
PARMA v Bologna
AC v Palermo

I would say choose the bookie with the best odds, and bet on the matches which give you the best return (e.g. if match 1 is 10-1 on and match 2 5-1 on, bet on match 2). Also, don't be too greedy, keep the list small to start with, say a maximum of 5 matches.

[Finbar]

Not sure about that, I've seen some great 1.1 bets but some awful 1.2 bets in my time!

Not that I tend to bet odds on but there are often 1.1 shots you should never trust

[Louis]

Not sure about that, I've seen some great 1.1 bets but some awful 1.2 bets in my time!

Not that I tend to bet odds on but there are often 1.1 shots you should never trust
Agreed, but on this thread I think the poster is talking about an accumulator of near-certs, in which case an accumulator of 1.2 certs is better than one of 1.1s ;)

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

dont start is my advice

[Louis]

dont start is my advice
:p

[Gooders]

So, sorry, if I had a shortlist (by that I mean, ones I've earmarked to bet on, not necessarily meaning I'm going to bet on all of them) of the following, would it be best to whittle it down to ones I think are nailed on, and put them all in an accumulator?



Every time I have more selections than I want to back, I often end up discarding the losers and keeping the winners. Sod's law innit.

Steve's advice is probably the best but if you want to have a bet, my advice is never bet more than you can afford to lose. Ever.

[€pfc]

So, sorry, if I had a shortlist (by that I mean, ones I've earmarked to bet on, not necessarily meaning I'm going to bet on all of them) of the following, would it be best to whittle it down to ones I think are nailed on, and put them all in an accumulator?

Sorry if I sound stupid with all this

p.s. apologies for potentially betting on the Clowns to win..

Grays Ath v YORK
Airdrie Utd v PARTICK T
Stockport v CHARLTON
Lincoln v ROCHDALE
Kilmarnock v HIBS
B'ham & Sol v LONDON W (Rugger)
EXETER v Cov (Rugger)
BARCA v Espanyol
Zaragoza v BILBAO
Almeria v DEPORTIVO
Atalanta v INTER
PARMA v Bologna
AC v Palermo

How did you do in the end?

[stinky]

How did you do in the end?

whittled it down to 5.

Brighton v COLCHESTER
Lincoln v ROCHDALE

3.12/1 Winner

Airdrie v PARTICK
Stockport v CHARLTON
BARCA v Espanyol
Atalanta v INTER

4.52/1 Lost because Atalanta equalised in something like the 83rd mintue. Everything bar that result went to plan


Don't ask me my reasoning around what bets I put in the double and treble. I can't remember.