Palarse fans is a load of *****

You are a load of *****. You were all being racist to me today as I was 1 of the only black fans supproting MCFC. You are worse than Millwall.

[palacenut]

So you do not live in Manchester or you would not be home so Quick, and maybe you should learn to spell before you come to see Palace again.

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[Chris K]

Sit down! shut up!

You must have some sort of paranoid complex mate. I sit virtually next to the away supporters so surely I would have heard any racist comments that you would have done. But I didn't. I think you're just pissed off that you couldn't get three points against a team that is apparantley close to death.

Truth of the matter at the end of the day is
Came because we're Palace! You only came because we're Palace!

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[can't think of a gay name]

What an complete idiot. Palace is, to my knowledge, one of the least racist clubs in the country.

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[Dave]

I do not want to delete this post for transparency:

However: For the record there were not to my knowledge any racist comments directed towards City fans;

Cockney Blues? I have seen it all now http://cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

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[SIKO]

I was sat next to the Arthur Wait, and I certainly heard no racist comments. How dare you acuse us of racism. We are so racist we get behind players like Clinton, Mckenzie. UNLESS of course you are upset because you had a white top on, and didnt like our version of "wheres your momma gone"

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[Navigator]

Did`nt hear any racist remarks yesterday and have`nt for a long while;only the usual one towards obviously white refs.From my travels we always come across as one of the most tolerant clubs.The above posting sounds like a windup.

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[Ian of Chatham]

I was disgusted when I read TrueBlue's comments about racism from Palace fans. I don't want to believe the allegations made by TrueBlue here and firmly believe that Palace fans do not have any racist reputation whatsoever, but after reading comments on here last season about a group of Palace fans who allegedly sang "No surrender to the IRA" at away games like Watford, I certaintly would not dismiss those comments as totally untrue, however I certainly can't comment any further becasue I don't know if TrueBlue was sitting with his own supporters or in a home part of the stadium and I probably wasn't sitting anywhere near him in any case.

Changing the subject slightly, I was very unhappy when I heard City's Shaun Wright-Phillips was booed when he came on as sub and a few times when he touched the ball. Just because his dad decided to go to Burnley it does not mean his son is a legitimate target for abuse.

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[can't think of a gay name]

I don't think you should believe there was any racist abuse yesterday, Ian. Most Posters here would not blatantly lie, yet no-one has said there was even slight abuse. We don't have a track record of it, and I hope we never do.

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[Gooders]

What a load of old tosh. Palace fans are about the least racist you could find.

I have been going to Selhurst for 30 years and I haven't heard any such stuff for at least the last 25.

Crawl back under your stone you idiot.

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[Oisin]

A group of Man City fans racially abused a girl in the Offie. We advised them to leave the premises.

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[Matt_Hep]

[quote]Originally posted by Ian of Chatham on 03-05-2000 08:08 PM
, but after reading comments on here last season about a group of Palace fans who allegedly sang "No surrender to the IRA" at away games like Watford, I certaintly would not dismiss those comments as totally untrue

I think it was me or P.Hep who wrote about this. But I must say that before that game I had never sen those idiots at Palace, and since the Watford game I've not seen them at Palace. The strange thing about those idiots was that none of them had any palace colours on what so ever. They were possibly neutrals looking to stir up trouble or even from the National Front.
I can honestly say that this is my only experience of Palace fans being racist.

I also agree with Ian and can't understand what the point was of booing Ian Wright's son. It was probably coming from the same morons who were singing the "Harold Shipman" song.

[Gavin Axten]

Ian...Singing "No surrender to the IRA" Does not mean they are racist, you may be right of course but singing anti terrorist songs in my eyes has nothing to do with racism.

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[Small number]

no surrender to the IRA isn't racist it is religous bigotry

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I apolagis, DOH
I apolgise, DOH
I apoligies. DOH
I say sorry in advance for any bad spelling and bad language I use!

[Matt_Hep]

Gavin that was not all they were singing. They did the full repetoire "there aint no black in the union jack" etc. I didn't want to mention it and give it any more publicity than it deserves.

[Oisin]

I've heard the no surrender song sung by a certain group at many away games. I've objected more than once. The group in question do have more right wing views than most.
As for it being racist the second line is "keep me English". I don't think that is refering to a happy clappy ethnically diverse English nation but an idea of Anglo Saxon supremacy. The phrase no surrender has associations with extremists of both sides in Northern Ireland. If you've seen the sort of meatheads who sing this song at Rangers, Chelsea or England games you wouldn't want your club associated with it either.

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[Addo Eagle]

I think a lot of the previous postings are looking at the past through rose tinted spectacles especially if they have not seen palace fans involved in racist chants etc. I have seen this countless times, especially when travelling away. Things are a lot better now but we can't let our guard down

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[Small number]

Originally posted by Oisin on 03-08-2000 09:46 PM

As for it being racist the second line is "keep me English". I don't think that is refering to a happy clappy ethnically diverse English nation but an idea of Anglo Saxon supremacy.



so there patriotic... there is a difference even though some don't see it!


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I apolagis, DOH
I apolgise, DOH
I apoligies. DOH
I say sorry in advance for any bad spelling and bad language I use!

[Matt_Hep]

They're not patriotic, these people are too thick to have any emmotions like that. They aim to be confrontational and stir up trouble. I doubt they have any affinity to Palace at all, as it certainly didn't seem that way.

[select 5]

Is it just me? but I thought the Harold Shipman song was quite funny .

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[Navigator]

This is going way over the top now.Sounds more like the minutes for a Lambeth council meeting.

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[Friction]

I thought the Shipman song was funny as f*ck. A bit tasteless, but it made me laugh.

Equally funny was "did the ripper have your wife" against Barnsley.


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[can't think of a gay name]

Originally posted by select 5 on 03-11-2000 09:49 AM
Is it just me? but I thought the Harold Shipman song was quite funny .


I'd have hoped so, but apparently not.

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[sombrero]

trublue,
don't come on here , giving it the large, when your poxy support couldn't even fill its allocation.
you are fast becoming like the red part of your sh1tty little city, that being you are smug w8nkers as well.
lets tell it as it is:
you only have one decent player, and he won't be enough to keep you from coming doen again.
i used to like MC, but since you have all adopted this w8nky manc stagger, you have become a collection of sad losers.
if you are from coulsdon, support your local team - its full of real players, and it has real fans, that know how to make some noise - unlike you sad silent tw8ts

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do your bit - give the trust a grand, and save OUR club

[brighton_eagle]

Yeah!!!!!!

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[Justin]

Song for the Man C idiot. |"Where were you when you were good"

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[cdm61]

My word, having witnessed 'Palace Fans' singing No Surrender on many occasions, including the recent England/Argentina game, we shouldn't be so naieve about the number of racists at Palace.

No surrender to the IRA = National Front, BNP etc.

If they hate Irish Nationalists then they certainly hate anyone else except good Northern European stock!

Don't be smug people there's racism at Palace.

[can't think of a gay name]

I know we get a bit at Palace but I don't think it's a major problem

I ment c u n t s

[can't think of a gay name]

I think you be meaning MEANT me wee laddy!

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[Navigator]

Originally posted by can't think of a gay name on 03-20-2000 10:40 PM
I know we get a bit at Palace but I don't think it's a major problem

Well said.Now can we stop all this hand wringing please.I`m more interested in the future of the club than worrying about the obviously bogus original posting.Jeez!

[Jimbowen]

Can anyone here tell me the lyrics to the Harold Shipman song?

[JamieBcpfc]

What rubbish, no evidence prove it and come back on here and tell us

[Onka's Big Moka]

I've heard racism at palace before. And as for other bad things like homophobia, well, you only have to look at this site, don't you? No racism at palace? I actually think you genuinely believe it. Christ.

[Lambeth Palace]

Originally posted by Onka's Big Moka
I've heard racism at palace before. And as for other bad things like homophobia, well, you only have to look at this site, don't you? No racism at palace? I actually think you genuinely believe it. Christ.

Christ indeed! Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the man who did not hear the monkey chants aimed at Julian Gray when Millwall played Palace two seasons ago. Or are you finally admitting that you did hear them?

[Daddy Long]

Originally posted by Onka's Big Moka
I've heard racism at palace before. And as for other bad things like homophobia, well, you only have to look at this site, don't you? No racism at palace? I actually think you genuinely believe it. Christ.

I've heard racism at Palace before directed at our own players on rare occasions. What I haven't seen is hundreds of fans making monkey noises every time a black player touches the ball, 13 year old oppo fans getting beaten up by our so called hard boys, or Palace fans throwing whatever they can find at Police and Police Horses.

[King William]

Originally posted by select 5
Is it just me? but I thought the Harold Shipman song was quite funny .

nope its not just you! it is funny!:p

[calne eagle]

Originally posted by Jimbowen
Can anyone here tell me the lyrics to the Harold Shipman song?

As far as I can remember, it was purely 'did the doctor kill your Mum?' to the 'Bread of Heaven' tune.

[King William]

Originally posted by calne eagle
As far as I can remember, it was purely 'did the doctor kill your Mum?' to the 'Bread of Heaven' tune.
the one i heard goes to the tune of.. "alan smith is the leader of the pack, he;s got the greatest team in the f@@@@ing land, he's got....."

[rootsradicaluk]

Originally posted by Onka's Big Moka
I've heard racism at palace before. And as for other bad things like homophobia, well, you only have to look at this site, don't you? No racism at palace? I actually think you genuinely believe it. Christ.

I think it was the 96/97 season when Insider and I had a go at a mug selling copies of 'The Flag' inside the Holmesdale stand.

...and the stewards and a certain fanzine editor weren't interested (which is fair enough, I suppose; print what you like. But you would have thought the stewards at least could have seen the potential for trouble there).

But I haven't personally witnessed or heard my mates speak of any rascist incidents since then (Holmesdale Block B when I could afford a season ticket / anywhere where I can afford to sit now).

[west country boy]

Originally posted by calne eagle
As far as I can remember, it was purely 'did the doctor kill your Mum?' to the 'Bread of Heaven' tune.

I thought it was "Where's your mother gone?" to the tune of Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep.

[Onka's Big Moka]

Originally posted by Lambeth Palace
Christ indeed! Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the man who did not hear the monkey chants aimed at Julian Gray when Millwall played Palace two seasons ago. Or are you finally admitting that you did hear them?

Two seasons ago, I was sitting in the Whitehorse Lane end with a palace supporting mate, and I heard nothing racist from the Millwall fans in the Arthur Waite, so no. Thats not the incident I'm referring to. The incident of racism I am referring to was "Bowry you black ****" from the Holmesdale, which is where I watched the 2-1 (1997 - I think Duvet Fuchs scored). Admittedly, I'm not saying that racism is a big problem at Selhurst Park - but it does exist, and denying it happens at your ground whilst critisising Millwall (who openly ban and prosecute fans caught giving racial abuse) for the same thing is clearly hypocritical.

[Disco]

Funny that Onka, two seasons ago on my way to Selhurst from Norwood Junction, my mate and me had a kid of asian descent aged about 12 run up the road and ask if he could walk with us because he was scared stiff of a gang of about six millwall fans, all in their thirties, all with skin heads and tattoos who were calling him all the racist names under the sun:veryangry . They had also been hurling racist abuse some west indian ladies at the bus stop.

That is the only time I've heard anything like that in or around Selhurst, and my mate Trick who is a casual supporter who comes to a few games here and there, had never seen anything like it and could not believe what a bunch of racist thugs and animals those millwall supporters were!

Racism at Selhurst??? Only once a season when millwall roll in!

[Lambeth Palace]

Originally posted by Onka's Big Moka
Two seasons ago, I was sitting in the Whitehorse Lane end with a palace supporting mate, and I heard nothing racist from the Millwall fans in the Arthur Waite, so no. Thats not the incident I'm referring to. The incident of racism I am referring to was "Bowry you black ****" from the Holmesdale, which is where I watched the 2-1 (1997 - I think Duvet Fuchs scored). Admittedly, I'm not saying that racism is a big problem at Selhurst Park - but it does exist, and denying it happens at your ground whilst critisising Millwall (who openly ban and prosecute fans caught giving racial abuse) for the same thing is clearly hypocritical.

I think you'll find that I have never denied racism exists at Palace in fact if you looked hard enough you will find posts where I criticise racist Palace fans.

By the way, if you didn't hear a large number of Millwall fans doing 'monkey chants' that day I can only assume that you have a hearing problem as they were probably audible outside the stadium, let alone the Whitehorse. A couple of thousand fans doing monkey chants is pretty loud... I do hope you have had your ears syringed and sorted out since then. Actually I remember now a few of your fans coming on here and claiming that the 'ooh, ooh, ooh's' were merely booing. Perhaps you were one of them? Can't be bothered to check. That Bermondsey dialect sure is funny... I mean why the •••• do you swing your arms under your armpits when you boo?

[cpfc greenhithe]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oisin
[B]I've heard the no surrender song sung by a certain group at many away games. I've objected more than once.

So are you saying you support thr IRA ?
Right or wrong politics has always had it's part of football (I think it's wrong). I first heard this song at Oxford about five or six years ago. The people who sing it are not all right wingers or must I point out to the single minded, all skinheads. I hate the IRA with all my heart. Religous bigitory ? not sure, It never mentions Ireland's two main religous groups and the IRA has protestants within it's ranks.

Let's get one thing right. Palace are not a rasict club. However I have heard it Palace when Ian Wright ran down the wing when he first joined, a group in the Arthur sang a song that he clearly heard, he stopped chasing the ball and looked up to where it come from. Never heard it again at Selhurst. Thank god.

[cpfc greenhithe]

Originally posted by cdm61
My word, having witnessed 'Palace Fans' singing No Surrender on many occasions, including the recent England/Argentina game, we shouldn't be so naieve about the number of racists at Palace.

No surrender to the IRA = National Front, BNP etc.

If they hate Irish Nationalists then they certainly hate anyone else except good Northern European stock!

Don't be smug people there's racism at Palace.

On the whole I'd agree, most people who sing this do have rightwing views, however the comment about hating the IRA in my last post still stays. I hate the BNP & NF just as much and never will vote any rightwing party including the Tory party.

[Oisin]

Originally posted by cpfc greenhithe
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oisin
[B]I've heard the no surrender song sung by a certain group at many away games. I've objected more than once.

So are you saying you support thr IRA ?


No, I'm saying I find the signature tune of the right wing hooligan offensive. Think of the politics infused in "no surrender" and "keep me English". Yes some people who sing along are more morons than fanatics but its not something I want to see at Palace.

I first saw Palace fans singing this away at Fulham when a group came into a packed Irish pub afterwards during an Ireland Rugby game, sung this a few times at the telly, started Seig Heiling then left. There were a couple of woman who had been watching the game wearing Ireland shirts in tears. The Irish rugby team are a mixed north and south, Catholic and Protestant team. What I witnessed wasn’t patriotism or an unease at Irish terrorism it was racism.

[cpfc greenhithe]

Now that is an entirely different story. Thanks for explaining.

[Brett]

Originally posted by Daddy Long
I've heard racism at Palace before directed at our own players on rare occasions. What I haven't seen is hundreds of fans making monkey noises every time a black player touches the ball, 13 year old oppo fans getting beaten up by our so called hard boys, or Palace fans throwing whatever they can find at Police and Police Horses.

Or 6000 Bermondsey in-breds booing a minutes silence for Brian Moore.