Next season

A while ago I posted a message on this forum regarding the troublesome element amongst your support who caused mayhem at and around Prenton Park on the last day of last season. The amount of abuse I received was not only frankly appalling, but also showed that you had adopted a 'head in the sand' attitude, and refused to accept your problem. Other clubs-in particular Millwall-have taken steps to counteract hooligan activities-this has not been evident at CPFC, especially after reading the replies to my message.

Anyway, I am writing this message after speaking to a Fulham supported who agreed 100% with my sentiments on you lot. He told me how-not just a minority-but a large number of CPFC 'supporting' yobs went on the rampage after the game last year @ Craven Cottage. Trouble involving CPFC on a lesser scale was also reported at games with Charlton, QPR, Portsmouth, Colchester Utd, Wolves and Nottingham Forest.

YOU DO HAVE A HOOLIGAN PROBLEM AND THE DECENT PALACE FANS AMONGST YOUR SUPPORT NEED TO ACT NOW TO PREVENT CLASHES NEXT SEASON, WHICH WILL DRAG THE NAME OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL THROUGH THE GUTTER ONCE MORE.

Good luck with your takeover bid,
Colin, aka 'Tranmere Kop'

[eagle mart]

No we havn't but good luck in your one man crusade and go and bug millwall or Cardiff.

is tranmere kop on some sort of wind up?
were was the rampage at fulham?
i must be walking round with my eyes shut

lets all laugh at brighton.

[ajp]

Tranmere supporter.
Firstly it would be untrue for any football club to say that they don't have any problems with hooliganism amoungst their support. But at Palace there is vertually no trouble. I went to Prenton Park and Craven Cottage this season and was not aware of trouble at either ground. Palace took large away supports to both games and our away support is vocal but genuinely good natured.
The only bit of banter I heard between Palace fans and Tranmere was the odd joke. As for a large number of our fans being yobs at Fulham, well that was nonsense, again we had a sing song and a laugh but what's wrong with that? Finally to compare millwall with Palace is pathetic, have you never been to the Den?, because if you had you'd know what I'm on about. When Tranmere play us your fans are not hassled if they want a pint in a local boozer, you try drinking in Bermondsey and it won't be the same I assure you!

[le piddler]

As I've already posted before on this subject
we were drinking in the Prenton Park before the game, & the Sportsman afterwards & we did'nt encounter any problems whatsoever, and if you wish to talk about a club with a hooligan problem I suggest you go to the Cardiff City Soul Crew site & start preaching to them or try chelsea's or Leicesters!!

[LP]

I for one don't mind Tranmere, in fact anyone who supports them when they've get 2 such illustrious neighbours up the road is a loyal fan in my book. Clearly this person was upset by the passion and noise of our fans, perhaps also the result didn't go down too well with him. I suppose it is possible, ALTHOUGH IN MY BOOK EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, that he did witness some sort of trouble involving our fans. But what I will say is that as clubs go we must have one of the most peaceful good natured followings around and to compare us with Millwall is pure comedy. I hope Tranmere Kop comes to Selhurst or Gillingham or wherever our club plays its football next season and enjoys a friendly drink and chat with everyone. As this is the experiance most away fans have when they visit Palace.
Incidently it is interesting that we are mentioned above for causing trouble with Charlton . Not so long ago when we were better than these eternal fools a trip to the Valley as an Eagles fan would involve the pleasent walk from the away shed up Floyd Road to the station after the game. Abuse and threats of violence had to be endured by all and were rightfully ignored by the Palace faithful. Is this the trouble that supposedly occured?

Does anyone have a clue what hes on about regarding Fulham away?

[Fester]

I presume that 'yobs on the rampage at Fulham' to whom Tranmere Kop refers, were, in fact, a well known BBS'er and some happy friends who were involved in a minor incident in ONE pub after the game where a TOY train was derailed....hardly a rampaging mob of yobs from where I was sitting......no one was killed or injured. In fact, if it hadn't been for the ridiculous over reaction of the young barmaid/landlady, the old bill wouldn't even have known about it......See you at Selhurst for a drink Mr Kop, and we'll show you South London hospitality, not hospitals.

[anti-addick]

Tranmere Kop is clearly an easily offended poof. He should steer well clear of matches if he thinks that a bit of banter and standing up is hooliganism.

TK = ****

[bald-eagle]

This is clearly a wind up. I went to all the games he mentioned with my 9 year old son and had no trouble what-so-ever.

Anyway wasn't it the tranmere fans who ran on the pitch at the end thereby ruining the laps of honour by the players? And wasn't it tranmere fans who ran towards the palace fans gesturing ? It was only the fact that palace had won, stayed up and wanted their team and management to come back out onto the pitch that stopped what could have been a pitchside battle?

The bloke is a complete time-waster

[anti-addick]

He's a total c*nt, that is a fact.

[Justin]

Agree just a total time waster showing off because he's a scouse with a PC. Think we should give him a good clump next year at Selhurst. They do say the exception proves the rule!

I feel I must reply to this thread.
I cant say what went on at other palace games but I went to both charlton v palace games and I saw no trouble .
But then again I dont go out of my way looking for it.

[Matt_Hep]

Who's to say we haven't got a hooligan minority? I was at watford away two season back and there was definitely an element of them there "you're going to get your F-ing heads kicked in" etc.

But talking of pikies.....at the Palace Charlton game I saw record number of greasy chavs. They were all teenagers and looking for some confrontation.....I didn't think the pikie tag was that just but the "Charlton chavs" at Palace away certainly justified such a name.

Who was talking of pikies?
Silly me I thought this thread was about your club having a hooligan minority.

By the way who held the previous record for"greasy chavs",how many and when ? Or could it be you feel you have to work a pikie \ gypo comment into any mention of Charlton?

[Gavin Axten]

Tranmere....How dare you say Palace have an hooligan element, i've a good mind to come round and kick the fu*king sh*t out of you.

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[Neil MacQueen]

Looks like the faggot is back then.

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A nice pint (of Fosters)in the Moon and Spoon

We've had grief of you lot every game at Loftus Road in the 90s. In the 80s all teams, QPR included, had a hooligan problem but Palace seem to have kept theirs to the present day.
Ive know a Palace fan who I work with and he says games against QPR, Fulham, Charlton, Watford and Portsmouth always produce trouble.
Im not having a go, just pointing out that you do still have the minority....

[Justin]

The only trouble at Loftus Road two years ago was with a certain fat goalkeeper who had the misfortune of keeping you Ranger's muppetts up.

[Kevin T]

I find this whole thing quite humourous. I always thought Palace were a bit of a laughing stock when it came to all things naughty, but now apparently we're hard core thugs, whereas the rest of football has cleaned up their act.

I don't know why everyone is getting defensive. I think it's funny.

We saw a lot of Palace flags in Euro 2000. Now we know how all the trouble started!

[PeterH]

John of Charlton your comments on our forum are welcome there was no need for people to have a pop.

I have seen small incidents at a few places involving Palace fans and personally try ad get as far away as possible. Louts at Ipswich a few seasons ago talking about smashing the ground up etc. I don't think any Palace fan can say that they have never
been made aware of unsavoury incidents involving some of our fans. There have been issues with QPR there is a natural rivalry there as there is with Charlton, a London Derby (kick off permitting) is always a good excuse for a p!ss up especially as the away team, some people see this as an excuse to misbehave the vast majority of supporters don't. Idiots make up a certain percentage of the population in this country, they therefore make up at least that percentage of every football club.

The issue on this thread (and a previous one) is the unfair misrepresentation by
Tranmere Kop. There were many Palace fans
in the Mersey Clipper before the game, I was one of them, I didn't see any problems. The vast majority of Tranmere fans on the day were friendly and vica versa. In Liverpool
the locals were friendly and the Liverpool F.C. supporters were genuinely interested in the result of our game.

What were is words of taking our pub how unwelcoming pro-hoolie a comment is that. In visiting away grounds an important pleasure for me is to visit a pub or two and I am sick of the hostility and trepidation you feel. We brought up 2,000 supporters, many hadn't been before, it was a warm day, people wanted a beer before the match and after to celebrate the conclusion of a difficult season. They would have also wished to toast with Tranmere their season and wish them the best for next season. That was a bit much for those that were bitter about losing a meaningless match (although entertaining second half) and wantede to throw beer about. The pub was also listed bt Tranmeres own guide to Away fans.

Be real Tranmere, if it was a Birmingham, Man City (going for promotion), Bolton crowd on the final day of the season they would have taken more, also completely overwhelmed your pubs, commanded a much more visible police presence and would have created incidences far in excess of ours.

We don't deny we have louts and some hooligans, but organised firms, meet ups every Saturday, hundreds of vicious Palace fighting under the club banner behave yourself. Wait until you get Millwall, Cardiff, Birmingham or Stoke up there and they lose in an important game.





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[PeterH]

Oh and thanks for the sentiments about the takeover. As posted above I enjoyed my Liverpool visit last year and am looking forward to returning.

[Justin]

I was in the Mersey Clipper before the game and there were three serious incidents. Firstly the taxi driver from Liverpool expected me to know where Birkenhead was, because he didn't. Secondly the pub was operating Sunday hours which I did not know still existed thus eating into valuable drinking time. And thirdly when we were prepared to do our bit for the local economy and transfer some wealth from the South to the North the barmaids took far too long to serve.

[Oisin]

My first point is I don't think away fans should be abused because they have an opinion on what is an important point. Yes there are threads here to slag people off but this didn't start abusively, none of the away contributors have been abusive so why launch into pointless attacks.
Secondly I don't think Palace have a large hooligan element. At most grounds we mix well with other fans and save our piss taking for the game itself. Lots of families travel and we are usually good fun.
However we do have at least ten morons who I could point out to you as I've come across them more than once. I'll come clean and say I was arrested at Fulham away for making a ****** sign at her majesty's constabulary during the afore mentioned train incident. I was detained for an hour and a half before being thrown out as the cells were spilling over with people that day (both Fulham and Palace judging by the singing going on around me). The police told me that there had been a lot of trouble that day and that they just weren't prepared to deal with such a large travelling contingent, just about the biggest they'd had that season, which was unpredicted. After the game I'd gone into an Irish pub to watch the end of the Rugby on telly. Ireland lost to Wales. Here we were treated to a 15 minute rendition of "No Surrender" interspersed with a few Palace songs in a pub full of Irish Rugby fans. It was threatening and intimidating. The Irish woman next to me at the bar started crying. The whole display was really disheartening and it made CPFC look like real w.ankers. Ironically I know one of the lads involved has Irish parents. I've never seen anything like that at a Palace away game before but I'm not everywhere. I'm sure the same thing happens elsewhere. I had words with one of the group I knew and was told to f.uck off. It's not the only time I've had a "discussion" with the same group. I wouldn't be surprised if they spent the summer singing "I'd rather be a paki than a Turk" and throwing chairs at young Belgians.

[Riccardo 'the cat'Parrini]

At the end of the day - we love Palace. What is the point of all this sh@te ???

I was at QPR at Loftus road and it was a laugh, I didn't see any trouble. Having a bit of banter makes football the fun it is, ok I might shout at a Charlton supporter and call him w@nker, or say to Portsmouth 'you only sing when you're fishing', but would never start a fight with a bloke just because he is wearing another team's colours.

These people who apprantly Palace supporters should f@ck off. Banter - 'Yes' Starting rucks - 'F*** off'

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[PeterH]

Oisin, sounds like disgraceful scenes. Other than disassociation from these peopl I don't know what the club or us can do. As you said
you went to try and get them to stop singing filth and they told you to f**k off, so if you persisted the logical conclusion was a smack or worse. Can you call the police, what can they do, they can arrest for disturbing the peace or they can wait an hour and let the situation resolve itself as the game draws nearer. The club can't get involved because its not occurred within its stadium, many of these fans may be banned from Selhurst or just don't go there.

Again I don't wish to be abusive to people coming on with genuine comments it makes a change from the usual rubbish we get from Chelsea. However this suggested a much bigger problem than we have at Palace and almost tarred us with the same brush as Millwall. In recent years I cannot remember a large proportion of Palace fans tearing seats out of a ground, charging and rampaging in NUMBERS at an away location, have well documented riots near ground: Cardiff at Ninian Park last year vs Millwall, Birmingham and Millwall, Stoke and Man City. I have felt the fear of Millwall fans running riot with mobiles at the New Den and the police look the other way.

Its the comparisons that annoy me, I don't deny that incidents haven't occurred. I remember in the late 80's running from Watford BR to the ground to try and get there before kick off, a selection of Palace louts followed us as they thought we knew where the ground was. The slapped people, jumped on cars etc., we kept trying to disassociate but as we wore colours they stuck to us like glue - numbers as well as directions I suppose. What I am saying is its just the school bully mentality. You will always get immature louts running around looking for easy targets and this is what I think happened unfortunately at Tranmere. In the London derbies (and others)protaganists may get involved who stir up these people in certain pubs and others also get carried away. In the previous thread mention was made of a Palace fan needing many stitches after receiving a beating from Palace? fans with northern accents after asking them why they were smashing up a restaurant. I am not saying all these protagonists are not Palace fans but you wouldn't see them at Selhurst or a fixture like Tranmere because theres no meat for their bone.

I wish like the vast majority, they would all go away and start their own fight club and leave us all to drink and watch our football in peace.

[selhurst]

http://www.zyworld.com/paulpaul9/behaved04.jpg
December 1999 - well behaved Palace supporters at Charlton.

[selhurst]

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March 2000 - well behaved Palace supporters at QPR.

[selhurst]

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April 2000 - well behaved Palace supporters at Fulham.

[selhurst]

http://www.zyworld.com/paulpaul9/behaved02.jpg
May 2000 - well behaved Palace supporters at Tranmere.

[Sugar Loaf]

I certainly didn't see any trouble at Tranmere. In fact Palace and Tranmere fans were chatting and drinking together before the match, in the Prenton Park pub.

As for Fulham, I'm sure we would have had a drink with them too. Thing is, we just didn't come across any.

[john]

i was at fulham and i saw nothing at all.

[Gazza1]

I went to game with Tranmere supporting friends of mine. I saw no trouble at all and even drank in their Supporters club before the game where I saw several Palace fans wearing Palace shirts.

[PeterH]

Good pics of the baying spitting mob there
Selhurst. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/sarcblink.gif

[selhurst]

Thanks PeterH. I didn't spot any mad fighting at any of the games mentioned. As the saying goes - the camera never lies!