Smith on LBC- I accept Division 2 Football! [Archive]

Blind_Eagle

19-10-2000, 05:37 PM

Are we really turning into Spurs???. Someone comes on the bbs for the first time and posts an unsubstantiated story that no-one else has heard and you all believe it!! Calm down and get a grip for Gods sake.

......and once your grip on reality has been restored, then go out and burn the balding overpaid, underachieving tosser.

Richard

19-10-2000, 05:38 PM

He didn't make a big thing about it just before we played them, did he ?

Sandy of Cornwall

19-10-2000, 05:40 PM

Smith is being realistic. OK, OK, OK, I don't like the prospect of relegation but when all said and done, we've been left with a team of youngsters, 2nd rate players who fancy themselves and not a lot more. This is all a legacy from Goldberk and it will take a year or two to turn that round.

It may be a bit different if Smith were given 20 million or so to spend - then he would be more upbeat and optimistic but he hasn't got that sort of dosh so he just faces facts. On the players we've got, we're not up to it. The next England manager sold all our best players and it will take ages to assemble that sort of squad again with such limited funds.

James

19-10-2000, 05:42 PM

Speak for yourself Neil. I was at Anfield that day, and was more than a little irritated when Coppell jumped out of the dug-out punching the air in celebration, when the 9th goal went in. B**tard!

19-10-2000, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Neil the Eagle:
Oh fer fecks sake, Coppell was a Liverpool fan, but I didn't hear anyone moaning about that when we lost 9-0.

True, Neil. Are we really all naive enough to think that every player at Palace is also a Palace fan? As long as they are professional and do their job to the best of their ability I don't care who they actually support.

TAK

19-10-2000, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Neil the Eagle:
Oh fer fecks sake, Coppell was a Liverpool fan, but I didn't hear anyone moaning about that when we lost 9-0.

But Neil, he didn't mention Liverpool in every interview, especially to the detriment of Palace all the time and he didn't have a car number plate starting LFC as Smith's start FFC, ramming it down our throats.

I though he was a Tranmere fan, anyway.

Blind_Eagle

19-10-2000, 05:46 PM

But Sandy seven of the players have been purchased since Goldberk's demise. So if they are second rate then whose fault is it?

and like I said Smith didn't say this so pleeeeeeese can we stop giving this rumour substance by discussing it as if he said it. Come Saturday half the crowd will not only believe that he said it but they will be claiming that they heard it themselves.

It should be nipped in the bud before it adds more unrest between the club and the fans.

p.s. to the Brighton/Charlton/Fulham fan who posted the original story, ha ha, very funny, now f*ck off and annoy someone else.

Neil the Eagle

19-10-2000, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Richard:
He didn't make a big thing about it just before we played them, did he ?

Not a full page in the Standard, but I seem to remember he mentioned it in his programme notes at the time.

TAK

19-10-2000, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Sandy of Cornwall:
Smith is being realistic.

No he's not he's being pessemistic. He is obviously not confident of his skills as a manager.

when all said and done, we've been left with a team of youngsters, 2nd rate players who fancy themselves and not a lot more.

Disagree here, we've spent money and are still spending it. Some well some not well at all, the squad is talented and on paper should be top half of the table maybe top 10 not excluding Watford & Fulham.

It may be a bit different if Smith were given 20 million or so to spend - then he would be more upbeat and optimistic but he hasn't got that sort of dosh so he just faces facts.

You don't need to spend that sort of money on top of what we had to start with this year to survive. As an excuse for not going up maybe. Relegation should not be an issue here and the manager should be leading in this. If he openly talks about going down this early what can you expect from the team - poor performance, low moral and people jumping ship.

He couldn't manage a paper shop!

Chris K

19-10-2000, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Blind_Eagle:

p.s. to the Brighton/Charlton/Fulham fan who posted the original story, ha ha, very funny, now f*ck off and annoy someone else.

Took the words out of my mouth. Funny how this bloke hasn't appeared since he made the first post. Still fair play to him his wind up worked.

BUT if this is true then Smith surely will not be backed by Jordan because weren't subjects such as consolidation banned at the club and he'd look a **** to start coming out with stuff like that now.

Top Eagle

19-10-2000, 09:31 PM

This post was created by a charlton fan called No.2 in south london, the bloke is not exactly the sharpest tool in the box as this hilarious little joke proves.

clubbruggekvfc

19-10-2000, 10:08 PM

Looking at this thread again, the funny thing is how many of us actually half-(or more than half)believed that Smith had actually said those outrageous things. Some people like Sandy of Cornwall, were actually prepared to defend Al, and justify his comments.

I actually rang LBC and asked if Smitho had appeared on the station today!!!

One or two dismissed the wag's posting straight away, but I and many others it seems have so little faith in Smith or belief in Jordan's motives, that many of us were prepared to send out a lynch mob for the hapless one-eyed Seventies neck-chain wearing Fulham worshipper.

19-10-2000, 10:34 PM

Oh S**T it's not true? and I just put a tenner at 5-1 on Palace going down. I should have gone with my gut feeling and put it on Charlton going down (better odds I bet!).

Trolley

20-10-2000, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Lombardo's Trichologist:
said, "I have spoken at length to Simon, and he is in agreement this is a period of great pain and change for Palace, Simon has told me I have all the time I need to get things right on the pitch, and if that means relegation this season to come back twice as strong the next, then so be it".

Discuss please.

I notice the words "Pain" and "Change" used by Mr Smith - how appropriate.We will forever endure "pain" whilst Mr Smith is in the mangerial hotseat.As for "Change", it is high time that Mr Jordan accepts that Smith will not lead us into the promised land of the premiership and replaces him as soon as possible.
With regard to the ludicrous comment about relegation and returning twice as strong,it shouuld be treated with the contempt it deserves.Did we return twice as strong when we got promoted to the premiership under Smith ? - Absolutely not - We were relegated.
Did Man City return twice as strong when they were relegated from the Premiership - Absolutely not - They dropped a further division.It was a ludicrous statement.
As supporters perhaps our expectations for this season were too high, however we did not expect to be in our current position with only 8 points and 8 defeats in 12 matches.At the same point last season we had 13 points.
We have had a dreadful start and things will only get worse - Mr Jordan, it is time for a change.

James

20-10-2000, 02:50 AM

Trolley - do you just post in a vacuum, or do you actually read the previous postings before launching into one of your rants?

It looks like it was a spoof, after all.

I hope that we can all take a joke, and the thread has provoked some very interesting and enlightening comments. How many of you wanted it to be true (i.e. to justify your dislike of Smith)?

Thanks to the original poster for starting a lively discussion, but may we please try and keep the jokes in the 'Chocky's Dungeon' Forum in the future please?

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henryhallandhisbasque

20-10-2000, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by James:
Trolley - do you just post in a vacuum, or do you actually read the previous postings before launching into one of your rants?

It looks like it was a spoof, after all.

I hope that we can all take a joke, and the thread has provoked some very interesting and enlightening comments. How many of you wanted it to be true (i.e. to justify your dislike of Smith)?

Thanks to the original poster for starting a lively discussion, but may we please try and keep the jokes in the 'Chocky's Dungeon' Forum in the future please?

[This message has been edited by James (edited 19 October 2000).]

I agree, with most of what you have said James, whatever the motives of the phantom fan, he, she or it, put out perhaps unwittingly or rather cleverly, a very interesting experiment, in testing our attitudes towards Alan Smith.

Yes, I am afraid I wanted Smith's comments to be true, even though that would surely damage the club long-term. Presumably, just because I dislike Smith for taking Coppell's job, and Jordan for appointing him. I am choosing to ignore the fact Jordan did save the club. I shouldn't be but there it is.

Only a couple of posters actually defended Smith, and I am sure they did it for the love of the club, so I won't condemn them for that. What I do think, is Smith has lost our respect, if he ever had it, appears to have little respect from the players either, and therefore I believe cannot successfully manage this football club.

Lombardo's Trichologist

20-10-2000, 04:10 AM

Anybody else catch our boss being interviewed on LBC this morning? If they did were they as shocked as I was. In fact, I nearly crashed the motor!

Alan Smith, was being asked about the Fulham game last night, and his general reaction to our terrible start, and as his reply is etched in my mind, I'll use a direct quote, Alan said, "You have to accept there was a lot of things wrong at Palace when I came, to get this club ultimately performing like Fulham, we may need a spell in the Second Division, the fans must understand that". The interviewer, then asked, does he (Alan), still have the support of his Chairman? Alan said, "I have spoken at length to Simon, and he is in agreement this is a period of great pain and change for Palace, Simon has told me I have all the time I need to get things right on the pitch, and if that means relegation this season to come back twice as strong the next, then so be it".

Discuss please.

paf

20-10-2000, 04:13 AM

Cant belive we're even talking about relegation this early in the season......

If he thinks we are going down, then he should clear off and let someone with more faith and optimism move in.

Will S

20-10-2000, 04:15 AM

This an April Fool isn't it ?
I think Mr Smith better get on with snogging the sleeping princess or whatever he was babbling on about the other week.
Steve Coppell left the club because he couldn't guarantee Jordan a top 10 finish, somehow I don't think the chairman will see second division football as the way forward.

atillio

20-10-2000, 04:17 AM

why spent 1.5 million on one player, look at another 1.5mil player and then talk about relagation
has he lost his mind. alot of people are already calling for his head, hopefully after the players realise that they can pass the ball to rubins we should bash the pompy on saturday

Strathclyde Eagle

20-10-2000, 04:18 AM

Can't believe this, especially given all Smith's views on things like mental toughness. Like him or not it just doesn't sound like the sort of thing Smiffy would say if you ask me.

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henryhallandhisbasque

20-10-2000, 04:19 AM

If this is true, it is an indictment on Smith. How can he say he accepts us going down. It is such a reprehensible and stupid statement, that I can actually believe he did say it.

What I can't believe is Jordan backing him with such lunacy.

If Jordan actually came out and said something about the results like he did about the pre-seasons, then perhaps we'd all know where he stands.

At the moment it is easy to believe any mad comments as potential truths.

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arussell

20-10-2000, 04:22 AM

IF this is true then I think he should consider going now.

There is no way with the squad we have that we should even be thinking anything like that. If Smith and his coaching staff are incapable of motivating the players then their time is up.

And what sort of signal does that send to the players anyway if they here that, that their manager has given up already ?

northernsouler

20-10-2000, 04:23 AM

I smell I wind up. Didn't LBC radio passed away years ago. You naughty boy trick-cylist.

Top Eagle

20-10-2000, 04:24 AM

What I cant understand is, why would a spell in Div 2 make us better?? Surely a lot of our players would hot foot it somewhere else and I remember someone saying that once you are in a lower league it is alot harder to get out of it.

Go with everyone else, this was another act of sheer lunacy.

Gaffer

20-10-2000, 04:29 AM

LBC does still exist, it's the old ladies' favourite!

Doubtless Smith will say his alleged comments were taken "out of context", if indeed he made them.

Did anyone else actually hear this interview?

James

20-10-2000, 04:34 AM

I have very little respect for Smith as a First Team Manager/Coach, but I really can't believe that he said this. I am sure it is a mis-quote (if not a complete wind -up).

If it IS true, then Smith must step down (or be dismissed) immediately.

James

clubbruggekvfc

20-10-2000, 04:36 AM

What time on LBC? Who interviewed him? I thought LBC only discussed flower arranging for the over 90's???

Top Eagle

20-10-2000, 04:39 AM

This comment could be a blessing in disguise:

The interviewer, then asked, does he (Alan), still have the support of his Chairman? Alan said, "I have spoken at length to Simon, and he is in agreement this is a period of great pain and change for Palace, Simon has told me I have all the time I need to get things right on the pitch, and if that means relegation this season to come back twice as strong the next, then so be it".

When a manager gets total support from a chairman, he usually gets the bullet pretty soon after.

Ian of Chatham

20-10-2000, 04:41 AM

Alan Smith will smooth talk his way out of trouble in that Q and A session on Monday if this is anything to go by when he was the manager at Wycombe. http://www.chairboys.ndirect.co.uk/wwisc/forum_s.htm
Some of the points aren't relevent but it's well worth a read anyway.

TAK

20-10-2000, 04:42 AM

Maybe the 2nd div is all Smith can cope with, the man should pack his bags and go NOW!!!

A decent manager, who beleives in the team and himself would be saying we're only 14 points off the play offs with two thirds of the season left.

wombat

20-10-2000, 04:44 AM

I say - BURN HIM! He's a witch!

Will S

20-10-2000, 04:45 AM

Wombat..that's a silly and immature suggestion which doesn't help in the slightest.
I say dunk him in the river and if drowns then clearly he's not in harmony with the dark forces of satan.

TAK

20-10-2000, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by wombat:
I say - BURN HIM! He's a witch!

Normaly such comments should be deleted as defamatory but on this occaision...

Gaffer

20-10-2000, 04:48 AM

The sections on "Fitness", "policy" and "Division One" at that Wycombe link were utter deja vu! Does he use the same soundbites wherever he goes? Does he go home and say: "The levels of fitness at this house are not up to the standards I would expect from a top private road."?

20-10-2000, 04:52 AM

Well that really has to be the last straw doesn't it?? I read in the Evening Standard yesterday Smith saying that he is a Fulham fan at heart. Maybe that's why Palace being in the second division doesn't bother him, and true Fulham supporter would be quite used to playing football at that level!

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Gooders

20-10-2000, 04:54 AM

I'm not adding to this debate until this story is substantiated - he didn't really say that did he?

20-10-2000, 04:55 AM

Well that really has to be the last straw doesn't it?? I read in the Evening Standard yesterday Smith saying that he is a Fulham fan at heart. Maybe that's why Palace being in the second division doesn't bother him, any true Fulham supporter would be quite used to playing football at that level!

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Godless

20-10-2000, 04:57 AM

I should probably begin by saying that I normally only browse the boards - however, Smith's performance and behaviour lately have provoked me to register & comment online for the first time.

I saw the Standard article last night - which was disgraceful - and then this. I am now very angry indeed with Mr Smith. If all he can do is think about how wonderful Fulham are, he should go back there.

He has a job at Palace, and should concentrate on doing that effectively - which he is not at present. I want Palace to be as effective as possible - NOT his views on Fulham, or any other team for that matter.

Also, in the unlikely event that Mr Jordan reads the boards - can I please appeal to him to INSIST that this nonsense stops now - or dismiss him instantly. I want to see management loyalty to my club equal to that shown by long term fans. Those of us who were at Anfield for the 9 - 0 (and other various disasters elsewhere), have maintained some semblance of dignity via our general good humour and persistence - but I for one am now beginning to lose patience as our dignity is further undermined by Smith.

I don't care about cheap beer or shops - if I want a beer I'll buy one - and I am capable of finding a shop that sells whatever I want. I want CPFC to provide a professional football team and club set-up. Let's get our priorities right.

Defeatist talk undermines those priorities/goals. In short Mr Smith SHUT UP OR LEAVE NOW.

ruediger

20-10-2000, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by James:
It looks like it was a spoof, after all.

I hope that we can all take a joke, and the thread has provoked some very interesting and enlightening comments.

Thanks to the original poster for starting a lively discussion, but may we please try and keep the jokes in the 'Chocky's Dungeon' Forum in the future please?

If a joke can provoke a lively discussion so be it. No problem.

But what makes me sick is the fact that wind ups are no longer done by well-known individuals but newly created phantasy products such as Lombardo's Trichologist.

That's something of a decline on the BBS.
Larry Jim were are you?

[This message has been edited by ruediger (edited 20 October 2000).]

Vic Eagle

20-10-2000, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Top Eagle:
This post was created by a charlton fan called No.2 in south london, the bloke is not exactly the sharpest tool in the box as this hilarious little joke proves.

But clearly sharper than a whole host of gullible BBSers!

Les Butler

20-10-2000, 12:10 PM

When I see a new poster with a big story ,I think "hey" where's this guy been hiding,Guess we know now.
You would think we would have a lot more like this.

La Bombonera

20-10-2000, 12:22 PM

Nice try whoever started this thread.

Let's be honest with ourselves here, Smithy isn't going to get anywhere 2nd division football with Palace - because Jordan will have given him his P45 long before that becomes a reality.

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henryhallandhisbasque

21-10-2000, 10:01 PM

I am beginning to think this thread wasn't a wind up!

MadRabbiinaCrimsonVolvo

04-04-2001, 02:52 PM

Trawling through the old threads, I just found this one, that was ridiculed by most at the time, but now appears to be rather accurate.

SKATE

04-04-2001, 03:57 PM

Looks like AS has been aiming for Div 2 football all along. He must have been ****ting himself with that winning run before xmas. Still he's back on track now, his target in sight and looking more achievable with every game. There's a relief. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif