Alan Smith - a correction

[James]

In some recent BBS threads (eg 'Smith must go'; 'Smith is a ****', and 'Get rid of the bald old duffer NOW') I may have given the impression that I regarded Alan Smith as a poor choice as Palace Manager.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that Alan Smith may have no hair, but I don't care. Smith is by FAR the greatest manager the world has ever seen.

Thank you and goodnight.

[anti-addick]

Agreed, i've always been behind him for the last 2 matches and will continue to do so until we lose.

[TAK]

James I do beleive you may have had one to many sherry's.

So what would you say about Peter Taylor?

[Mendosa]

What, Smith ? Fabulous manager, always said so.

I think if you look back through my posts you'll mind I've been unswervingly supportive of Lord Smith, through thick and thin.

Any posts to the contary suggest a charlatan at work pretending to be Mendosa. The swine.

[RednBlue]

The man has the makings of a legend!

[philaire]

Sorry to have to do it against Peter Taylor - well, a little sorry

[HOPE]

A legend in his own lifetime
Sound bytes and all
Wouldn't say a bad thing about him
SMITH'S ARMY SMITH'S ARMY

[Viking]

Anybody proud of the guys...ME! Now, bring on Sheffield!

[Essexeagle]

lets hope he calls clinton a c*nt every week if thats the reaction we get...

[Pete B]

First of all what a f*****g result. A huge round of applause for Smith and the team.

However, I'm a real negative sod (comes with 30 yrs of following this team) and would just remind everyone that about this time of the year when Smith was last in charge we went on a superb run of 4 straight wins including a fabulous 4-1 result at Coventry and 1-0 at Leicester only to return back to normality for the rest of the season.

Saturday is the big one and if we continue the form of the last 2 games I might well start to be convinced by Smith. Interesting selection problem he has now with Pollock, Freedman, Staunton, Ruddock and possibly Fan back available.

Now please not away to Tranmere in the next round.
I

[Latvian Eagle]

I'm sorry for doubting ya Smithy! take me back please?! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

[John 24]

I'd supported Smith all the way up until we lost to Grimsby and he listed M and M. I wish I.d supported him for just that bit longer. I know it's only the start but hopefully this will be the start of something good.

[dazza CPFC]

im not sure about smith he done the right thing slaging of morrison & mullins its worked 2 brillint results but if we lose saterday the fans will b back on his back again

[Les Butler]

Great result one of the best.
But I will still keep that step or two back about Smith until we are out of the bottom three and a bit safe.
We have had good cup runs before and went down.
But hey! great result and this "could " be the turning point ..
Let's hope so.
It is funny when we get a result like this and you think how sad that the Man utd,s could never feel this feeling........

[HOPE]

Originally posted by dazza CPFC:
im not sure about smith he done the right thing slaging of morrison & mullins its worked 2 brillint results but if we lose saterday the fans will b back on his back again
of course we will we're Palace Fans http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[clubbruggekvfc]

Great win against an albeit weakened Leicester team, in a Mickey Mouse competition.

The result reflects no credit on Smith, the players seemingly wanting to stick two fingers up at him.

The true test will be our next League game.

I have never rated the man win or lose. I am not going to change my opinion of him.

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[Gooders]

Originally posted by clubbruggekvfc:
Great win against an albeit weakened Leicester team...

Don't you start! Our bloody team was a lot more weakened than theirs!!!

[sneezy]

Another year where we finish in the last four of several competitions perhaps? http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[Mendosa]

Originally posted by clubbruggekvfc:
The result reflects no credit on Smith

Toss and drivel. But I'm not going expand on that now and argue with you - I'm just going to enjoy the moment. This grin could last for days.

[clubbruggekvfc]

Originally posted by Mendosa:
Toss and drivel. But I'm not going expand on that now and argue with you - I'm just going to enjoy the moment. This grin could last for days.

'Toss and Drivel'. Flaming Cheek!!

I'll stick to my guns. Where were you last week when everbody wanted him burned at the stake?? Overseas on business I take it?

Funny all the Smith supporters went AWOL that week. Now, they all come out the woodwork again.

Of course I'm now in a club with a membership of one, still thinking Al is an attention seeking lunatic who should be signing on. All my cohorts, will stay remarkably quiet for the moment, or in some cases, suddenly have a Smith conversion, believing Al is now the best thing since, well, the last best thing.

Hypocrites!!


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[Vern]

Originally posted by clubbruggekvfc:
Great win against an albeit weakened Leicester team, in a Mickey Mouse competition.

The result reflects no credit on Smith, the players seemingly wanting to stick two fingers up at him.

The true test will be our next League game.

I have never rated the man win or lose. I am not going to change my opinion of him.

[This message has been edited by clubbruggekvfc (edited 01 November 2000).]

Are you some sort of c**t.

[SE25 exile]

Did you see Peter Taylor on Carlton last night, bless his heart. He seems to be turning into a Roy Cropper lookalike. Did anyone notice the resemblance?

[ruediger]

What a difference a day makes.
"We love Smith."

Wednesday on Saturday is a different story.

I'll have a cup of coffee now contemplating life. Issue: the constancy of fickleness.

[Les Butler]

Originally posted by Vern:
Are you some sort of c**t.


So your not going to debate it then Vern ?Just call a fellow Palace fan a ****
because you don't agree with him ?

[Pete B]

Originally posted by clubbruggekvfc:
'Toss and Drivel'. Flaming Cheek!!


Of course I'm now in a club with a membership of one.

Two actually


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[Vern]

I can honestly say that I've never 'slagged' Smith off as I can't see anyone out there who would a good replacement. The Steve Coppell era is over and it was the right thing to do – end of story. As Palace fans we should get behind Smith and the Team and give them every encouragement. I've been as pissed off as the best of them at M&M's behaviour and some of the effort put in by the team over the last couple of months. Lets hope that the reception they got at the end of the match last night should spur them on to play like this week in week out. I honestly can't see any benefit for CPFC of ANYONE moaning about how bad it'll be on Saturday etc. etc.
CAN WE BE POSITIVE FOR ONCE AND GET BEHIND THE MANAGEMENT AND PLAYERS FOLLOWING LAST NIGHTS RESULT.

[Les Butler]

Nice one Vern http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Vern]

Originally posted by clubbruggekvfc:
[B] '
Funny all the Smith supporters went AWOL that week. Now, they all come out the woodwork again.B]

I think you'll find that there were quite a few Smith supporters out last week both on these boards and the National Press.

[Vern]

Originally posted by Les Butler:
Nice one Vern http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks. Sorry about the profanity but that post made me slightly irate as you could probably tell!

[Baloo]

It looks like Smith's gamble has paid off.

My guess is that a couple of weeks ago, he discussed the "cancer" at the club with Jordan, and Smith said "these guys will not perform like professionals unless they get an ALMIGHTY boot up the backside. I'm going to go public about the bad attitudes here. I will get some incredible stick from the fans for a while, but it is the only way we can turn this around, and then the fans will understand why I did what I did when the players wake up and start to perform."

And that is what happenned. Thank God.

For now, I will not consider the possibility of the gamble not working and the players just getting even more p!ssed off with his tactic.

Lets hope the players remember what they did last night and how they did it.

[clubbruggekvfc]

Originally posted by Vern:
Are you some sort of c**t.


You should know Vern baby. You should know.
http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

[Vern]

Yeah baby - you keep to making that lace.

[selhurstparkflyer]

this is a fantastic result no two ways about it.
i think its a pony competition, however, the important thing is that our oppostion don't.
if we had don ethis at arsenal or newcastle it would not be nearly the same as they field 2nd string teams.
yes they had injuries but thye fielded their best available team and we had 5 first team absentees too (6 including Fan). This is a big blow for them as it has been a great financial boost for them over the years and it has seen them play Euro footy twice.

Lets just hope we can do it in the league...highly unlikely I know but we can hope.

[Egg Sample]

Even my Mum phoned me at home to ask 'had I seen the score?'!

I think we will win this cup.

[clubbruggekvfc]

Originally posted by Vern:
Yeah baby - you keep to making that lace.

You keep on wearing it Vernitta Baby http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif

Please note. This is the last response from 'Belgium' in that much loved BBS banter between 'Cheeky' Vernitta and Club Brugge kvfc.

'Vern' has to return to the secure cell he shares with his first team coaches Ray and Glenda.

Keep taking the prozac Vernitta

[Vern]

I think you'll find Paxil/Seroxat is by far the better product. Not so much muderous side effects. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Evil Eagle]

Vern & Clubbruggekvfc

Stop this personel insulting match now. This is suppose to be a site about oppinons.

[Evil Eagle]

OK so we got a good result against last years champions in the cup and a good result at Bolton on Saturday. As far as I'm concerns two good results in a space of five days doesn't change a thing about Alan Smith, all its done is bought him some extra time as manager.

We still some 30+ games remaining and I strongly believe that he will carry on with us hanging around the foot of the table, with him still throwing blame at the players or anyone he can think of.

Let not start getting carried away now because Smith has a long way to go before winning me over. And don't queston my commitement towards the club, because at the end of the day I support Crystal Palace FC and not Alan Smith. And if that makes me a ****** then so be it.


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[paf]

Taylor out !!!! Smith for England... er... no Sven out, Hoddle for England... no that's not right, Noades out, tits ooot for the lads... or something.

[Gerry from Sussex]

Glad to see the healthy cynacism has not gone from most of these posts. Unfortunately, when you sit back and look at the WHOLE of Smith's track record objectively then there is still a long way to go before you could say he has turned a corner - or even reached one for that matter!!

But, the last two games are VERY encouraging and we should be pleased about that. Even if we were to slip up again on Saturday I will still feel better than I did a week ago because at least we have seen that AS and the current team are capable of producing the goods after all. At 4.30 last Saturday I wouldn't have believed I would be able to say that. But the spirit shown to pull that game around when they would have had every reason to drop their heads was brilliant and last night proved it was not a fluke or a cruel apparition.

Okay, I still don't think Smith is the best manager we could have got (and probably never will) but he is going to be around for a while at least so let's hope he can keep it going. You never know he might just surprise a few people.

[Tarby]

Well said Evil. Top result no doubt about it, but come on, give me a break with all this sudden Smith is God crap. Looking at the bigger picture do any of you seriously believe Smith will turn us into Premiership regulars. Did a great job of it last time didn't he! One season in the Prem with a decent squad who through his tactical genius couldn't score in a brothel.

What a surprise this season we can't score goals in the league. Hmmm I see a pattern developing. Anyone care to mention his inspirational stint at Wycombe....no...thought not.

I want Palace to win week in week out with or wothout Smith, but you can't tell me he is the long term answer, he pushing it enough in the short term.

Smith has never had his eye on the ball, which is a bugger because his other one doesn't work full stop.

Vern, cool yourself, we're all Palace fans, can't we all just get on!!

[Vern]

Vern, cool yourself, we're all Palace fans, can't we all just get on!! [/B]

Shut it you fat unfunny scouse tosser. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

I'm just saying why can't we be positive for a while.

[Tarby]

Scouse.....Scouse....that's low Vern!! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

[Mendosa]

Originally posted by clubbruggekvfc:
'Toss and Drivel'. Flaming Cheek!!

I'll stick to my guns. Where were you last week when everbody wanted him burned at the stake?? Overseas on business I take it?

Don't see the cheek in saying I disagree with what you say.

Where was I last week ? Well, generally speaking recently I have been attacking Smith. Try knowing what you're talking about before criticising other people. I was unhappy with the performances, obviously, and the apparent distinct lack of tactics. But I am big enough and ugly enough to admit that maybe his tactics now, and his outburst at the players' attitudes, may have paid off.

Saying it's nothing to do with the manager is, in my opinion, nonsense. If you blame him when we don't perform, you can't say it's not his doing when we do perform, surely.

Funny all the Smith supporters went AWOL that week. Now, they all come out the woodwork again.

Get your facts straight. I wasn't a Smith supporter - I was calling for his head, but I'm hoping that he's beginning to prove me wrong.

Of course I'm now in a club with a membership of one, still thinking Al is an attention seeking lunatic who should be signing on. All my cohorts, will stay remarkably quiet for the moment, or in some cases, suddenly have a Smith conversion, believing Al is now the best thing since, well, the last best thing.

Hypocrites!!

No, I still think he's a bit of fool, but I'm open to pursuasion by virtue of our results on the pitch. And a hypocrite is someone who simulates virtue or goodness, or is insincere. I'm guilty of none of those, unless changing your mind or being open-minded is a sin.

[Crunchie]

I was also on the case after the Portsmouth game to get rid of Smith. I basically just had enough of the present situation at the time.

What also p*ssed me off was the fact that Smith went back on his word about critising the players in public and never took any responsibility himself for the poor performances.

However after going public and putting those three players on the transfer list has woken them up, as you cant play with 9 or 8 commited players on the pitch, and we don't have a big enough squad to leave them out.

The nice thing is the kick up the arse has worked and more impotantly is that he isn't taken the credit himself publically which his ego might have suggested, and given the credit to the change of the attitude to the players, which is pretty commendable.

We shall see what happens on Saturday be i'm completely convinced.

RUBINS IS GOD!

[Sandy of Cornwall]

Without wishing to gloat (much), I have always maintained Smiffy should be given more time to sort out the mess created over the last 18 months. He seems to be getting there. By Christmas, we'll be top. Fulham are flagging in readiness for our ascent.

[Gaffer]

Smith played it cool last night and respect is due. He didn't go mental with the fans, he just calmly went to the press conference and praised his team's hard work.

As others have said, Saturday's game is now monumental. Smith and his players must keep it going and show that loser Paul Jewell who is boss.

It should be one hell of a match.

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Sandy of Cornwall:
Without wishing to gloat (much), I have always maintained Smiffy should be given more time to sort out the mess created over the last 18 months. He seems to be getting there. By Christmas, we'll be top. Fulham are flagging in readiness for our ascent.

Sandy, I have listened to your support of Smith & for weeks now and can come to only one conclusion, you must be their "Shagpiece" you are the Monica Lewinisky of Selhurst Park. I hate to burst your bubble, the lads did well last night BUT Smith is still a bald headed boss eyed Knob End and the sooner he f****s off back to W**k over Fulham the better.

[Sandy of Cornwall]

..and while he's about it, perhaps he could take you with him too Fieldy.

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Sandy of Cornwall:
..and while he's about it, perhaps he could take you with him too Fieldy.

I see you're not denying that your doing favours for old smudger, as I suspected. I'm not going anywhere Sandy I'm afraid to say, I'll be at Selhurst come Saturday, giving the old slaphead the stick he deserves, did you see him whoring it with the media last night??? where was his "bitch" when he needed her??

[Sandy of Cornwall]

I can quite understand you disagreeing with me Fieldy. I find it rather distasteful though that you always have to be so flaming rude when defending your point of view. You obviously have no proper argument if you always have to resort to insults.

[Celestial Empire]

Fairs fair - hearty congratulations to AS and all the players, especially Thompson and Carlisle, showing AS they are valuable (and valued by us) players.
All that "tactically shrewd" stuff is a bit of a joke though - AS forced to make changes, then he's tactically shrewd (keeping Thompson back for the big occasion ?) Still, here's hoping they can build some confidence & a good run, and finally get rid of last year's hangover.
Sandy of Cornwall was really gung-ho about relegating M & M to the transfer list, while welcoming back the 'gorgeous Dougie' (must be that cheesey haircut), Great Sandy, except that Dougie is the original sulky, lazy player who was also put in the reserves last time he was here. I hope he has grown up a bit and is now ready to do his talent justice - if not, I await Sandy's demands to stick Dougie on the list too !!

[ruediger]

Originally posted by James:
Smith is by FAR the greatest manager the world has ever seen.

Thank you and goodnight.

Woke up already, James?



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[Sandy of Cornwall]

If any player shows disrespect for the manager, our precious club and us supporters, then yes I do think they should be put on the transfer list. If Doug's attitude ever got near as bad as Clinton's, I'm all for shipping him out too (good looker or not).

[James]

Fieldy - your comments to Sandy are unwelcome on the BBS. Perhaps you meant it as a joke, but personal abuse of this nature is not accepted here. Please be warned.

[Tarby]

I just can't bring myself to see anything positive about Smith. He's just a journeyman coach who's struck it lucky with a couple of management jobs. Jordan is obviously going to stick with him on principle so it doesn't look like he's giving in to fan pressure.

The thing that is really bugging me about Smith at the moment is that after every match he trots out the pathetic "This team is very young, they're just a bunch of kids" crap.

Coppell had a bunch of kids including the likes of Frampton, Carlisle, Woozley and Thompson having to play regularly and we escaped relegation.

Smiths "kids"..Ruddock, Pollock, Staunton, Freedman! Change the record Alan, it's getting very very boring.

Fair play, get behind the team, but you surely can't tell me there is nobody better than Smith out there.

A quick impression of Smith.... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif...geddit!

[Mendosa]

Originally posted by Tarby:
A quick impression of Smith.... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif...geddit!

Exactly how old are you, Tarby ?

[CPFC_R_GREAT]

What your all forgeting is that last nights results was our good result for this month and we wont have another on for ages now! You should know football is not a game of skill it's Sods Law!!!

[Tarby]

Exactly how much of a sense of humour do you have Mendosa?

29 actually, Palace fan for 23 years. Does that mean I qualify to post on this service, or do I have to be part of the in crowd with lots of stars next to my name.

Jeez, lighten up people, I thought the point of all this was to hear different opinion and not throw a dummy when someone posts something that doesn't fit neatly alongside your own views.

[fieldy]

That's because Tarby there is nothing Positive to say about Smith, you've hit the nail on the head. He couldn't motivate a monk in a brothel to get stuck in. After every game we're treated to another dose of endless cliches. Last night when interviwed he said "we got out the swedish coaching manual" Bob Wilson was laughing and saying how amusing Smith's topical joke was, unfortunately it wasn't a joke !!! I can fully believe he did get such a book out and read it, everyone's commenting on his brilliant tactics last night, they weren't his tactics he picked that team because he had no other choice, if the "old " boys were available for selection their names would have been down on that teamsheet staight away
Time will tell whether the likes of Thompson & Rodger keep their places on Saturday, my guess is that they won't. Is it me or do you think that wherever you go in the room he's looking at you???

For the record my comments to Sandy were only said in jest, I did not mean to offend.
Sandy, please accept my humble apologies, James, you're as bad as smiffy, berating me in public for my conduct.

Going down, going down, going down !!!!!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Mendosa:
Exactly how old are you, Tarby ?



Strike a light Mendosa, get a sense of humour transplant, this isn't Question Time you know !!!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Mendosa:
Exactly how old are you, Tarby ?



Strike a light Mendosa, get a sense of humour transplant, this isn't Question Time you know !!!

[Mendosa]

Actually, apologies Tarby. I thought that joke was another insult flying from the keyboard of Fieldy (I got confused) and that made it seem worse, for some reason. A cumulative thing, probably.

Mind you, a joke about someone's physical affliction is dodgy ground, but I did smile a guilt-ridden, non-PC, evil smile at it http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Vern]

Ah Tarby, I see you've not given up your staple 'Mother in Law gags' and 'laugh at other peoples physical afflictions' gags. No wonder you played the palladium so often. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

Anyway any chance of an introduction to your daughter?

[Ian of Chatham]

As I was one of those people who had a little doubt about Alan Smith's management abilities, it really hurts me to say this but Well done Alan for those last two results against Bolton and Leicester....OUCH!, arrrgh!, Cough!, agony! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

It also hurts me to say that those of you who said that it's the fault of the players for the bad run of form after seeing that Mail article from Smith last week were proved right after all, so apologies for some of the comments I posted last week which were rather critical of that article.

However it goes without saying that we must reproduce the same form against the fellow strugglers in the league, such as Stockport. Lose to them on Nov 25th and we are deep in the mire. I would swap a 3-0 win against Leicester with a place outside the bottom three any day. Even if we did get into the final of the Worthington cup I would still be disappointed if we ended up getting relegated the same season.

[Evil Eagle]

Originally posted by CPFC_R_GREAT:
What your all forgeting is that last nights results was our good result for this month and we wont have another on for ages now! You should know football is not a game of skill it's Sods Law!!!

Well it too bad that we never got three points for last night result then.


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[Tarby]

No, I will not introduce you to my(err, imaginary) daughter...you don't know where she's been.

I knew I shouldn't have chosen Tarby as my username. It's a nickname that was given to me but it's a long story and nothing to do with the gap-toothed, scouse fat bloke.

Anyway, I'm nothing like him, I'm a slim funny Londoner...well that's what I tell myself!

[Chris K]

So from reading all this everyone went on the piss last night and is feeling a little touchy.

I also gave Smith till last tuesday. Then all the stuff in the papers came out and I thought he'd finally lost the plot. But he seems to have taken a very dangerous gamble that is paying off. well done!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Tarby:
No, I will not introduce you to my(err, imaginary) daughter...you don't know where she's been.

I knew I shouldn't have chosen Tarby as my username. It's a nickname that was given to me but it's a long story and nothing to do with the gap-toothed, scouse fat bloke.

Anyway, I'm nothing like him, I'm a slim funny Londoner...well that's what I tell myself!

Funny Tarby that's not what your Mama told me !!!

[Gerry from Sussex]

It's no wonder AS blows his top when you see comments like some of the above. I'm not about to wildly change my opinion of his 'talent' as a manager after one week either. But, until/unless he stuffs up again there's no point having a go just for the sake of it. Let's just be happy for a bit of cheer while we've got it.

Sounds like some people are almost disappointed we didn't lose the last couple of games!!

[fieldy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gerry from Sussex:
[B]It's no wonder AS blows his top when you see comments like some of the above.

It would be foolish of Smiffy to blow his top at anything, it might make his glass eye fly out and get lost!!!

[andy the mad eagle]

Firstly let me say well done to the lads for the results at Leicester and Bolton. I fully accept this is a fantastic for morale and confidence.

As being one of those who have been critical of AS(I hope my criticisms have never been personal but is related to his ability as a coach)I fully accept he has brought himself time. My opinion of the public slagging off of M&M was that it would backfire. It appears to have worked at least for the time being. I have to say that I still have grave reservations about his ability to keep us in this division. Call this disloyalty however it is a genuine fear. However after the two excellent results it is likely he will remain manager for some time to come.
Lets build on last night's magnificent result and get three much needed league points against Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday.

[Jamie W]

Well to be honest I stuck behind Smith all the way through, and you lot had a go at me for saying it wasnt him but the players!!!!


HUMBLE PIE ANYONE?

[Txomin Etxaniz]

Originally posted by fieldy:
It would be foolish of Smiffy to blow his top at anything, it might make his glass eye fly out and get lost!!!

Please refrain from this type of insult, fieldy. Finding humour in the physical or mental disability of others is a very unattractive trait to display. Thanx.

[Jockeagle]

Good result against Leicester...Almost unbelievable !
As for AS.. His record as club manager does not make good reading inheriting good teams (from Coppell and O'Neill respectively) and not being able to maintain any level of consistency or success. The season he took over from SC he was fortunate that he kept a good squad together for promotion..but his buys during the Premiership (Diablo Matthews, Andy "the wardrobe" Preece) say it all really

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Life is what you make it some say....

[James]

Just a further clarification. What I intended to say was that Alan Smith and Simon Jordan are the most dynamic and successful partnership in World Football. Anyone who suggests that I may have expressed doubts about Smith and/or Jordan will be hearing from my Litigation Department.

[Spikemeister]

Well.....Clinton (the President) survived......

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[Don Rogers]

Originally posted by dazza CPFC:
im not sure about smith he done the right thing slaging of morrison & mullins its worked 2 brillint results but if we lose saterday the fans will b back on his back again

Right now he looks like the white knight who could lead us to the play-offs! (well if you can't dream whilst enjoying a great run when can you!

[Del Boy]

Amazingly, I too have found that somebody
has posted in my name over the last couple of months, claiming that Alan Smith is a complete arse and that Simon Jordan was masterminding our return to Division 2.

Like James, I must put the record straight by pointing out that I have always thought that Alan Smith is a genius and that Simon Jordan's astute chairmanship and man-management skills will see Palace crowned Champions of Europe by 2005.

[Little Matt]

Indeed Smith is our saviour, Steve who? But seriously if we can maintain this run for 4/5 games we should put enough space between ourselves and the likes of Huddersfield to certainly avoid the drop and maybe shade the top six. Who knows?

[Dicklebert]

Yes, Yes, Yes. The old boy has done good, but it's surely now time to stop fooling around and to take M & M off the list before they start to feel they might as well take their improved form elsewhere. The attention our better results are now getting is only likely to increase the chances of a bid they maybe could not refuse?

[James]

er......


ooops.

[Les Butler]

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[JABBA]

Alan Smith is fantastic. He is more dedicated than any other manager we have had. If it was someone else, they would have leaved by now. Palace have changed so much. I saw Palace on Saturday to see Tranmere, first match in agea and I was impressed. Palace are strong and I think it would be a shame if Alan Smith leaved!

[Dave]

Smith out!

[Al From Bromley]

...oh ye of little faith. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[James]

What did I tell you? The man is a genius. Or, if he isn't, then he has a pact with the Devil. Either way, what a Manager.

What an inspired substitution today. I bet those who doubted him earlier in the Season feel stupid today.

Er......


Ooops.

[henryhallandhisbasque]

No, sorry, I still think he is a classic comedy character.

But, it was a nice bit of substitutional work and a great result. So credit where credit is due.

Nice one Alanicus.

[This message has been edited by henryhallandhisbasque (edited 14 January 2001).]

[Dave]

Smith Out

[James]

In some recent BBS threads (eg 'Smith must stay'; 'Smith is a gem', and 'Get behind the bald old genius NOW') I may have given the impression that I regarded Alan Smith as a good choice as Palace Manager.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that Alan Smith has no hair, but I don't care about that. Smith is by FAR the worst manager the world has ever seen.

Thank you and goodnight.

[Dillenger]

Originally posted by James:
Smith is by FAR the worst manager the world has ever seen.


Two words : alan & ball.

[Neil in Orpington]

Tonights display against Barnsley and the latest home games against NORWICH, WBA and GILLS lend weight to your argument. If it wasnt for Forsell and Kolinko (admittedly at fault tonight) we would be in the bottom 3 !!!!!!!!!!

[Pistike]

I agree with Neil.

[Pistike]

We need more Balts!

[Worthing Eagle]

how long til the "Sack Smith" chants begin again. Problem is as soon as Fan Zhiyi returns it will just paper over the cracks again, results will probably improve (they can't get much worse) and we'll be stuck with Smith.

[Exiled in Bury]

Maybe not Vialli (can you imagine the wages!?!) but hopefully Smith will be "moved" upstairs in the summer!

That way Jordan can save face and we can get someone in who's tactics go further than attacking the players into playing better through the press!

And get rid of the coaches. What do they do all week? We never seem to have any ideas about what to do from throw ins, corners (except for a little spell when Steve Staunton was here) or free kicks whilst "marking" is an alien word to the players. They seem to be playing statues most of the time. Haas no one told them if they keep moving about, they're more difficult to mark!!!

So ignore what new players we need, who do we want as Manager/coach??

[Vince Hilarious]

Smith out,
quote me on that later.

[Tarby]

As I said at the start of the season, Smith out!

[Glaws Eagle]

As another thread has stated, it seems like Jordan has had enough of Smith, Cockerill et al!

I think he'll be looking for a more high profile coaching set-up to which to give his "millions" next season!

[John C]

Smith has said in the past that Palace are four players short. In two days he has brought an unknown stiker for I miilion and has a Yanker playing in defence.

So that leaves two more players. Well there might be a winger in Cuba and a center back from New Zealand....PROMOTION

[James]

.... and after securing promotion next Season, Smith's next trick will be to nail a jelly to the ceiling.

[John C]

James, that is asking too much now

[James]

Promotion... or the jelly?

[Bob S]

Two Smith Out threads after our third defeat in the league since October.

Pathetic is the only word I can think to describe it.

You'll all be eating humble pie (yet again) in a few weeks

[clockhouse]

The problem isn't the fact that we have only lost three out of eighteen, but more the manner of those eighteen performances. Cup matches aside, we've not exactly been convincing in many of them, especially the more recent ones (i.e. since Fan got injured). I can honestly see us getting no more than another 10 or 12 points this year. I hope I'm wrong, but the pack is closing in and I'm worried. Have we got what it takes if it comes down to a relegation fight?

[This message has been edited by clockhouse (edited 21 February 2001).]

[fieldy]

Wake up and smell the Coffee, Smith is just not up to it and that has been painfully obvious all season, of course people wont complain as strongly when the team is winning games that is human nature, to harp on about it being our first loss in so many games is pathetic, we may not have lost but look at recent performances and results, we may not have lost but they have still been pitifully poor, Home to Norwich, Gillingham & WBA 3 points from a possible 9 and could and should have been worse than this, none of them are exactly high fliers are they? we should be beating the likes of these convincingly now, admittedly we needed to give the new players time at the beginning of the season but we are now 30 odd games in, come on! Ok there was a last minute win against Burnley, impressive especially given their own recent run of form, only in the last two weeks has talk of the playoffs for this season subsided but come next season, if we are still in this division it will rise to fever pitch again no doubt, yet the reality is we are nowhere near being a team capable of reaching promotion and won't be for another five years if we carry on with the current rate of progress, we have one of the worst defences in the division and probably the worst Palace defence I can remember, yet we bring in a Jamaican striker on trial, terrific! Any of our previous promotion winning sides would have dispensed with Barnsley and the other formentioned sides with ease, this current side has a long long way to go and it will take twice as long with Alan "tactics" Smith and his peroxide blonde sidekick at the helm.

http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

[Bob S]

Originally posted by fieldy:
Wake up and smell the Coffee, Smith is just not up to it and that has been painfully obvious all season, of course people wont complain as strongly when the team is winning games that is human nature, to harp on about it being our first loss in so many games is pathetic, we may not have lost but look at recent performances and results, we may not have lost but they have still been pitifully poor, Home to Norwich, Gillingham & WBA 3 points from a possible 9 and could and should have been worse than this, none of them are exactly high fliers are they? we should be beating the likes of these convincingly now, admittedly we needed to give the new players time at the beginning of the season but we are now 30 odd games in, come on! Ok there was a last minute win against Burnley, impressive especially given their own recent run of form, only in the last two weeks has talk of the playoffs for this season subsided but come next season, if we are still in this division it will rise to fever pitch again no doubt, yet the reality is we are nowhere near being a team capable of reaching promotion and won't be for another five years if we carry on with the current rate of progress, we have one of the worst defences in the division and probably the worst Palace defence I can remember, yet we bring in a Jamaican striker on trial, terrific! Any of our previous promotion winning sides would have dispensed with Barnsley and the other formentioned sides with ease, this current side has a long long way to go and it will take twice as long with Alan "tactics" Smith and his peroxide blonde sidekick at the helm.

http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

I posted this on the OTHER Smith out thread but I'll put it here for your benefit Fieldy:

The point which you are all missing, intentionally or otherwise, is that our league position has got bugger all to do with our recent form. It is simply because we had such an appalling start to the season.
Think about it.

We got 8 points from our first 14 games.

We've taken 29 points from our last 18 games.

If the form since October had been replicated at the start of the season, we'd now be sitting 7th with 52 points, one point off a play-off place.

So those that don't seem to think we can challenge next season need to think again. If we can carry current form through and improve slightly we'll be right at the top.

[clockhouse]

well it's a good job we're so mediocre now then, isn't it, otherwise we'd be right in the sh*t

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Bob S:
I posted this on the OTHER Smith out thread but I'll put it here for your benefit Fieldy:

The point which you are all missing, intentionally or otherwise, is that our league position has got bugger all to do with our recent form. It is simply because we had such an appalling start to the season.
Think about it.

We got 8 points from our first 14 games.

We've taken 29 points from our last 18 games.

If the form since October had been replicated at the start of the season, we'd now be sitting 7th with 52 points, one point off a play-off place.

So those that don't seem to think we can challenge next season need to think again. If we can carry current form through and improve slightly we'll be right at the top.



So what you are saying is that home draws, and lucky ones at that to WBA, Gillingham and Norwich and losing to the likes of Barnsley is Playoff/promotion winning form?

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!! I know there's been turmoil over the last couple of years but have our standards and expectations really sunk to these depths

Help!

[Worthing Eagle]

agree totally. when we do get good results, or perform well, its more down to luck than judgement.

[Tony Humphreys]

Originally posted by Worthing Eagle:
agree totally. when we do get good results, or perform well, its more down to luck than judgement.

......and I thought I was alone in wondering this. (Mind you, we are due a bit of luck now and again.)

[Tarby]

Originally posted by James:
Bob (and others) - I am sure that you will not have forgotten that Coppell was asked to guarantee a top ten finish with the squad that was in place at that point.

Coppell, sensibly, said that he couldn't guarantee anything and felt that that squad wasn't good enough to achieve that.

As a result he was sacked.

Smith has (according to our Chairman) spent some £7 million 'improving' the squad, yet our position after 32 games is no different to that last year, when Coppell was expected to make do on a shoe-string.

Why do you think that Smith deserves more time - or indeed more consideration than Coppell was given?

Thanks to Toby Stevens for reminding me of the above.

Top point James!

Although not particularly attractive, at least Coppell's sides had 'shape'.

The most dismaying thing for me this season is that the team has never played with any shape and continually struggles to put more than 3 passes together before resorting to the long hoof.

As for any, takes time to gell argument, come on, these guys train together 5 days a week almost every week of the year, they know each other by now.

Totally agree with everyone who has said when we get results they always seem to be a case of muddling through. Sheff Weds aside, we hardly tear anyone to pieces, and in a division as poor as this, if we are as good as some people think we are there should be ample opportunity for that to happen.

[Bob S]

Originally posted by James:
Bob (and others) - I am sure that you will not have forgotten that Coppell was asked to guarantee a top ten finish with the squad that was in place at that point.

Coppell, sensibly, said that he couldn't guarantee anything and felt that that squad wasn't good enough to achieve that.

As a result he was sacked.

Smith has (according to our Chairman) spent some £7 million 'improving' the squad, yet our position after 32 games is no different to that last year, when Coppell was expected to make do on a shoe-string.

Why do you think that Smith deserves more time - or indeed more consideration than Coppell was given?

Thanks to Toby Stevens for reminding me of the above.


You raise a very valid point James, but why would you sack a manager at this point in the season on the basis of this argument?

In the first place, a top ten finish is not out of the question, although I would admit seems unlikely. Presumably, as a lawyer, you would agree that it is wrong to condemn the man before he has had a chance to complete the season, which I assume is when Jordan wanted the top ten finish?

[Worthing Eagle]

on current form we'll be lucky to stay up. It is likely to improve as:

a) fan will soon be back
b) it can't get any worse

I predict we will stay up okay, but performances will still be as lacklustre and dire as they are now.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Tarby:
As I said at the start of the season, Smith out!

I also said this at the time of his appointment and also Ruddock being our worse signing ever. On the Ruddock issue, I had virtually everyone on the BBS
attacking me saying I was in the minority of one. How times change. At the beginning of the season, I said Smith would go for the only tactics he knows, the long hoofed ball. He said on joining, the long ball is dead,after Euro 2000 the fans wont put up with it. Ha we put up with it all right, and some ( a lot) still defend him. The Wycombe fans got rid of him because they couldn't stand his style of unsuccessful football. Why do we put up with it and chant his bloody ego inflamed name. Follow Ruddock out of the club as soon as pos, pleeeeeese

[Gark Moldberg]

The argument that we were so poor at the beginning of the season is false. You could also argue that if we hadn't gone on the winning run and drew all of our games as we are now, we would be right up the creek and struggling to keep up with Tranmere.

The only difference between now and then is Fan. If he doesn't return then we will be in serious trouble. Gone are the days (supposedly) when we were a selling club. Yes, he's only one player and even the mancs sell the odd player, but what would we be left with.

The fact is that we have gone with a young squad who have nothing left to play for (apart from pride). We have an attrocious pitch and therefore have to lump the ball over the patches of green sand to the forwards who regularly don't get this ball because they are short.

We have to be patient. The majority of people who post seem to think that we have some god given right to be up at the top of the division. It may take three or four years to get the team and the infrastructure right. Smith can only work with what he's got. If he has to do this in substandard facilities (not that I've seen the training ground, but if they want to move...).

It's going to take time

[Gark Moldberg]

Originally posted by Laurie:
I also said this at the time of his appointment and also Ruddock being our worse signing ever.

Worse than Zohar har! har!

[Malakite]

Leave Smith alone and realise that the club takes time to turn around from where it was..he's doing ok!..we lost 7 games people were spitting on his raincoat, we win a few and do well in the cup he's a hero, we then start to lose a few and he's a villian again..grow up u lot...give him a decent chance, we are doing OK

[John 24]

Originally posted by Malakite:
Leave Smith alone and realise that the club takes time to turn around from where it was..he's doing ok!..we lost 7 games people were spitting on his raincoat, we win a few and do well in the cup he's a hero, we then start to lose a few and he's a villian again..grow up u lot...give him a decent chance, we are doing OK

Couldn't agree more...

BUT, how the hell must Sir Steve be feeling? He supposedly couldn't work with Jordan, and partly because he wanted too much. Steve said he could achieve mid table at best and anything more was unrealistic, but that apparently wasn't enough for Jordan. And now Smith isn't even achieving that but Jordan still seems adamant that Smith is the right man for the job.

[Malakite]

Fair comment..good old Stevie..ill always love the man! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

[nookiebear]

And just think, without a last-minute goal at Burnley, we'd have won one in nine!

Is this progress? I don't think so.

I think his rant after Grimsby got the players to play well for a few months (more out of embarrassment than good Smith tactics), but, while I don't think we'll sack him now (or should do), I think if, by Christmas, we're not top 8 next season, he'll be out on his ear, and rightly so.

He got more cash than Coppell was promised by Jordan and has a far better side, but we're in the same place (15th).

Again, not progress.

[James]

Bob (and others) - I am sure that you will not have forgotten that Coppell was asked to guarantee a top ten finish with the squad that was in place at that point.

Coppell, sensibly, said that he couldn't guarantee anything and felt that that squad wasn't good enough to achieve that.

As a result he was sacked.

Smith has (according to our Chairman) spent some £7 million 'improving' the squad, yet our position after 32 games is no different to that last year, when Coppell was expected to make do on a shoe-string.

Why do you think that Smith deserves more time - or indeed more consideration than Coppell was given?

Thanks to Toby Stevens for reminding me of the above.

[PeterH]

I like Smith as a person and really hope he succeeds. I am also okay with a mid table position this year, although the top half that is seemingly beyond us would win me some money.

Its just the diet of toilet football we have had to put up with in the league at the moment is mind numbing. You could say that it is like that everywhere but Fulham, but that doesn't mean fans have to accept it. This is supposed to be the entertainment business, where the feck has the buzz been the last few weeks.
If we are to settle for this poor excuse for football at this level then players should
be expected to accept wages to match.
Thus we can pay £5 to watch it which must equate to early eighties quality and price + inflation.

On yesterdays big thread about facilities those that were slating us detractors biggest argument was that winning, and possibly more importantly, entertaining
football was of primary importance. Well
at the moment we haven't got that either.

Still lets settle for it eh. Write the cheques out for next years season tickets, add the extra for the gold package and remember to buy a couple of new shirts online. Settle back for some quality snooze time next season. I don't think even Millwall we be up for anything when they feel the apathy at our place.

[Ian]

I never wanted Steve Coppell to go.

But he did, and Alan Smith is in charge. I think on balance he's doing a good job, although he does wind me up sometimes. He certainly deserves more time than he's had so far before people start getting on his back.

Enough of my waffle, the point I want to make is that Ruddock, rightly slagged off in several recent posts, was a Coppell signing.

[James]

What did I tell you? the bald coot is a tactical genius.

I'll get my Season Ticket.

[Stellavista]

Er, no he's not, he's a complete tactical liablity!
The arrogance and stupidity, bearing in mind our current position, of playing with Morrison, Freedman, and Forsell, was breathtaking in its naivity.
An injury to the Doug, in the first half, forced the change to a more realistic team and formation.
If Smith lasts the season, I will be p*ssed off.
If he's still here in the summer, I will be a very large new gun.......

[David Murray]

He won't last - the man is a disaster and I understand the message is finally filtering through.

[Pistike]

Originally posted by James:
What did I tell you? the bald coot is a tactical genius.

I'll get my Season Ticket.

LMFHO

[David Murray]

Originally posted by Pistike:
LMFHO



Leprosy ?

[JohnA]

For you Dislexics:
Anal Miths can kcuf ffo.
He has nearly destroyed Palace

[SKATE]

I hate it when people resurrect old threads http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/mad.gif

Anyway interesting that AS wasn't the one on the touchline yesterday and left all that to Houghton. And what bliss not to hear the tossers name being sung during the match.

RED n BLUE ARMY!!
RED n BLUE ARMY!!

SMITH OUT!

[Ian of Chatham]

Originally posted by SKATE:
And what bliss not to hear the tossers name being sung during the match.

RED n BLUE ARMY!!
RED n BLUE ARMY!!

SMITH OUT!
It was sung near where I was sitting towards the end of the match I'm afraid Skate.

[Trolley]

Originally posted by SKATE:

Anyway interesting that AS wasn't the one on the touchline yesterday and left all that to Houghton. SMITH OUT!

Skate,

I have to inform you that Mr Smith WAS on the touchline and made a few forays from dugout to the edge of the technical area.
What was evident was the fact that he appeared far calmer and was not as animated as usual.
Perhaps he was of the opinion that at long last his players were mentally tougher !!
Or perhaps, the penny has dropped and he has now concluded that he was performing to an audience that simply took no notice !

[fieldy]

Originally posted by David Murray:
He won't last - the man is a disaster and I understand the message is finally filtering through.

Tell me more, what do you mean the message is finally filtering through???



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[Gark Moldberg]

give him a decent chance, we are doing OK[/B]

Just how long do you determine as being 'decent'? By my reckoning, he has now had eight months to get something together. He has managed to get us to the lofty position of 19th. I accept that after a few years at Fulham and Wycombe this is a higher level, but I hope it's not giving either him or you a nosebleed!

After Saturday, I am convinced that he will see out the season. There's only a month left and we still have to play a number of 'poor' teams, so it is entirely within our own hands.

There can be no more excuses!

[James]

What did I tell you? The bald coot is a fool.

[Del Boy]

I'm sitting here trying to think of something amusing to say about Alan Smith, but he's just not funny any more.

[James]

Cheer up Del.

If you need a good laugh - read the 'Chairman's Viewpoint'.....

and then contribute to the 'Nothing to do with tactics' thread...

[Tarby]

Originally posted by Tarby:
As I said at the start of the season, Smith out!

Nothing like going back to an old thread to be smug!!

Everyone who posted on this thread slating Smith and saying he should go, give yourselves a pat on the back.

Everyone who sucked on Smithys purple end back then, hang your heads in shame.

As I said.....Smith out!!!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Malakite:
Leave Smith alone and realise that the club takes time to turn around from where it was..he's doing ok!

Oh dear!



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[Ruskin Old Boy]

Originally posted by Bob S:
Two Smith Out threads after our third defeat in the league since October.

Pathetic is the only word I can think to describe it.

You'll all be eating humble pie (yet again) in a few weeks

...no humble pie in Tescos today...something to do with Foot and Smith I understand...

[fieldy]

Originally posted by fieldy:
Wake up and smell the Coffee, Smith is just not up to it and that has been painfully obvious all season http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

I thank you! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[jonesy]

Originally posted by fieldy:

Sandy, I have listened to your support of Smith & for weeks now and can come to only one conclusion, you must be their "Shagpiece" you are the Monica Lewinisky of Selhurst Park. I hate to burst your bubble, the lads did well last night BUT Smith is still a bald headed boss eyed Knob End and the sooner he f****s off back to W**k over Fulham the better.

IQ hasnt improved much over the months still then?

[Tarby]

[/b][/QUOTE]
IQ hasnt improved much over the months still then?

[/B][/QUOTE]

Sense of humour hasn't improved much over the months then?

[jonesy]

Probably not(and is that any suprise) but cant see what raking up old threads and giving it ner ner ner ner ner is going to do to help our situation.

[Tarby]

Oh cheer up you old b*gger! Won't help, but then Smith has been taking the p*ss out of us all season, so we might as well join in.

Smith Out.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by Tarby:
Oh cheer up you old b*gger!

Dont you get age-ist with me young man! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif



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[fieldy]

Originally posted by JABBA:
Alan Smith is fantastic. He is more dedicated than any other manager we have had. If it was someone else, they would have leaved by now. Palace have changed so much. I saw Palace on Saturday to see Tranmere, first match in ages and I was impressed. Palace are strong and I think it would be a shame if Alan Smith leaved!



They get better!

Ooops!



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[Eagles Fan]

Originally posted by jonesy:
Probably not(and is that any suprise) but cant see what raking up old threads and giving it ner ner ner ner ner is going to do to help our situation.
Good come-back!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Jamie W:
Well to be honest I stuck behind Smith all the way through, and you lot had a go at me for saying it wasnt him but the players!!!!


HUMBLE PIE ANYONE?

They keep on coming!



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by James:
I would like to make it absolutely clear that Alan Smith may have no hair, but I don't care. Smith is by FAR the greatest manager the world has ever seen.

Thank you and goodnight.

And coming....



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by RednBlue:
The man has the makings of a legend!

And coming...


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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by Latvian Eagle:
I'm sorry for doubting ya Smithy! take me back please?! http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/frown.gif

Hmm still feel the same?



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by John 24:
I'd supported Smith all the way up until we lost to Grimsby and he listed M and M. I wish I.d supported him for just that bit longer. I know it's only the start but hopefully this will be the start of something good.

But it wasn't was it?



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[James]

Thanks for bringing this old friend back to the top, fieldy - but you may have overlooked the fact that this was a spoof thread!

[fieldy]

Originally posted by James:
Thanks for bringing this old friend back to the top, fieldy - but you may have overlooked the fact that this was a spoof thread!

To you James granted but many were serious in what they posted



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Hey, Smith, get out of my club!

[Wandering Seagull]

Alan 'agent' Smith is a quality manager.

Is he in his eighth of ninth spell as ur manager.

Who will take over when hes sacked? Steve Coppell no doubt.

Oh then Alan Smith will be back in charge.

Then Coppell, then Smith, then Coppell.

Sound familiar.

I just thought I'd let u retards know that you don't have to keep using the same two managers. You can choose someone else.

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BHA FOREVER

[Ralph]

Dont worry I am sure Mickey Adams wont poach too many of your players for Southampton!

Well I can tell you for a fact he wont cos they are all ****e!

[Wandering Seagull]

Originally posted by Ralph:
Dont worry I am sure Mickey Adams wont poach too many of your players for Southampton!

Well I can tell you for a fact he wont cos they are all ****e!



Don't be jealous its nice having a quality manager and players that are wanted by other clubs rather then the piss poor excuses that pull on your shirts.

Shame when you go down any half decent players you've got will clear off to play for other clubs and leave you with even more rubbish to pick from.