Betting Value Shop

[Grim Reaper]

Here we go folks. It's pretty clear that while the Goldmine is doing well overall (profit of 26.31 as of the day I start this thread) it's sometimes losing because people are putting in value tips rather than the dead certs the thread is looking for.

The Value Shop aims to help out and offer a thread for people who can see value in a bet.

For a tip to be in here it has to have the following qualities

1) A price of at least 1.3. This is lower than the Goldmine threshhold but sometimes a price can be as low at 1.3 yet still great value. Example being Nalbandian versus Pless w/c 13/9/04 where Nalbandian was 1.31 in one place yet generally 1.1 - 1.17 everywhere else.

2) A chance better than the odds suggest. Like the Goldmine, bets need to have explanations. Don't just stick every 50/1 horse down and play the percentages. We want to know why you think a particular bet has a chance at the odds suggested.

Other rules

1) Each way bets are allowed. Sometimes a tip won't win but at fat odds, the each way terms can make it worthwhile. This is allowed but please quote the e/w terms i.e. the paces and the odds for a top 2/3/4 finish. All e/w bets entered will automatically be 1pt e/w making a total of 2pts being placed (and subtracted if you lose)

2) A change from Goldmine is that you can choose to bet 1 or 2pts on your bets. 1pt for your standard tipa nd 2pts for a value bets that's nigh on certain such as a 1.3 shot that really should be 1.1.

3) More lenient than the ban system in Goldmine as picking 8/1 shots is obviously more risky than 1.5 shots but again, this is to be done seriously and we want tips that you really think have a good chance.

So that's it guys, may the betting commence. This is not a rival to Goldmine but between the two threads we have outlets for publicising all good bets and hopefully the BBS can whack the profits up.

[ozeagle]

grim, surely there's enough betting related posts on the bbs,
rusedski...hack.
:)

[Stavros 69]

VAULE VAULE VAULE !!

Stay off the Gold punks

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by ozeagle
grim, surely there's enough betting related posts on the bbs,
rusedski...hack.
:)

Let's face it oz, there are bets that need to be shared (your Ginepri, stigma's Empoli one etc.) and are good bets but you wouldn't stick them in Goldmine because they're not dead certs.

Value bets can get swallowed up in the general banter in the Betting Thread.

They need an outlet to stand up on their own right.

Besides, you more than anyone needs an outlet for your tips given your ban!!! :D

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by ozeagle
grim, surely there's enough betting related posts on the bbs,
rusedski...hack.
:)

Please don't trash this thread with your jibes at the top of the page. :hmph:

Give us some good tips ozvaldo! :p

[Stigma]

Great thread, Grim:p (will undoubtedly be a regular on here too)
My first pitch is actually on my own Norwegian team Start.
Division one: Start – Moss, head to head, win Start, odds: 1.35 (Expekt, Unibet. Ladbrokes offering 1.33)
(Game starts at 1500 hours UK time)
Start the best team in the Norwegian 1.division with the stats 10-1-0 at home. Can if other results go there way celebrate promotion tonight. They are currently leading by 16 points with just 7 games remaining in the season. Start have got no injury problems and are firing on all cylinders at the moment. Moss on the other hand are in a bit of trouble, just 4 points above the relegation zone. They are missing 2 players and there is also some doubt about there captain. This week it was also made clear that there coach will be fired after this season and a new one has already been appointed ! That is never good for team moral.
The home win is at odds 1.35, but one could even have a look at the handicap bets (Centrebet for example offering 2.20 with a 2-0 Moss handicap). But that of course depends on when start get there first goal..Start’s normal goal score in home games: 3, away team 0.6..
There’s party celebrations prepared in Kristiansand tonight (the champagne is already on ice) and I don’t think our team will disappoint..
2 pts please:)

[ozeagle]

too late, but in form acasuso 3.2 to beat andreev in straight sets..

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by ozeagle
too late, but in form acasuso 3.2 to beat andreev in straight sets..

Great tip.....but too late, as you said. :(

That's the spirit ozvaldo - more of the same please.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

this is value....perhaps.

Murcia v Alaves. Murcia rock bottom lost all 3 games against Alaves who lost their first game but 2 solid results since.

Alaves 2.95 for the win.

[Stigma]

Originally posted by Stigma
Great thread, Grim:p (will undoubtedly be a regular on here too)
My first pitch is actually on my own Norwegian team Start.
Division one: Start – Moss, head to head, win Start, odds: 1.35

2-0 FT
First bet of this thread a winner then:)
Was at the game and all in all we should perhaps have scored a few more goals. 1.half was a bit poor though. Start still not promoted just yet, leading by 18 points with 6 games to go:)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
this is value....perhaps.

Murcia v Alaves. Murcia rock bottom lost all 3 games against Alaves who lost their first game but 2 solid results since.

Alaves 2.95 for the win.

60 mins gone Murcia 1, Alaves 4.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Final score 5 -1 to Alaves :)

value innit.

Grim are you going to be doing a table thing for this thread the same as the Goldmine running total?

[Stigma]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
Final score 5 -1 to Alaves :)

value innit.


Great bet:p

[Stavros 69]

VALUE VALUE !!!

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +2.65

JCM 1/1 +1.95
Stigma 1/1 +0.7



What a great start to the thread! Nice work guys.
:p

[el mico]

Sorry Grim, I too don't see the point in this thread - Why do value bets get swallowed up in the betting thread????

Also value bets are welcome on Goldmine - surely a value bet is only value if it wins!!!!!!

Now we have 3 different threads........and don't worry you'll still get the same problem of "chat" which is just as likely to submerge tips here as anywhere else....

Anyway just my views - I'll keep off this thread now.....

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

I think its a good idea.

Betting Thread: all punts including wild guesses
Goldmine: Dead certs
Value Shop: "I can't believe that price" type of bets.

[Tor]

Ok, here's a nice one from the Norwegian Hockey league. The first match of the season, and the bookies have been far too generous with the odds on the home win.

Storhamar - Frisk Asker - 1 - 1.45 (expekt)

Norsk Tipping have 1.25 on this, and the only reason it's as high as 1.45 is because Frisk have had a couple of good seasons. But this year they have lost several important players, including their top scorer. Pundits reckon they will be happy to reach the top half of the table this time.
Storhamar, on the other hand, are gigantic favourites for the title. At least as strong as last year, and everyone expect them to win this one easily.

[ozeagle]

Originally posted by el mico
Sorry Grim, I too don't see the point in this thread - Why do value bets get swallowed up in the betting thread????

Also value bets are welcome on Goldmine - surely a value bet is only value if it wins!!!!!!

Now we have 3 different threads........and don't worry you'll still get the same problem of "chat" which is just as likely to submerge tips here as anywhere else....

Anyway just my views - I'll keep off this thread now.....


i'll check in, but i'm with el...
:hmph:
3 threads..
no broadband
:(

[Tor]

Thinking of it, I'm with El and Oz here. Don't really see why we should have three threads. (and Betting Masters in addition to that)

Considering Golmine and Value bets both really should be posted in the main thread as well, why not just keep everything in there?

I'm off to do a "...as posted in the Value thread:" now. ;)

[Belly]

Sorry to say this,but Hartlepool @ 7/1(william hill) looks an excellent price.As we all know we ain't won a game yet,there on the back of a 4-1 wion, with nothing to loose, in a empty stadium,with the possibilty of dowie resting players as 3 points sat is more important.

[Perky]

Originally posted by Tor
Thinking of it, I'm with El and Oz here. Don't really see why we should have three threads. (and Betting Masters in addition to that)

Considering Golmine and Value bets both really should be posted in the main thread as well, why not just keep everything in there?

I'm off to do a "...as posted in the Value thread:" now. ;)

I agree as well, missed a coupel of bets this weekend by not checking this thread as well as the goldmine and the normal betting thread

[ozeagle]

bung's tip Judd clear in the Brownlow..

[ozeagle]

Originally posted by Belly
Sorry to say this,but Hartlepool @ 7/1(william hill) looks an excellent price.As we all know we ain't won a game yet,there on the back of a 4-1 wion, with nothing to loose, in a empty stadium,with the possibilty of dowie resting players as 3 points sat is more important.

no possible way, this will be used as a means to getting some confidence back, expect no mercy...
:p

[ozeagle]

what is this, Riccardi touching up Ling !!!

[ozeagle]

where do i get scores on the norwegian hockey ?

[Tor]

www.livescore.com

[Stigma]

I actually like this thread. I feel that good bets in the regular betting thread have a tendency to get lost in all the chatter..

[Tor]

Perhaps we should start a new "Betting Chit Chat" thread, and keep all the tips in the Betting Thread then? :D

[Stigma]

Originally posted by Tor
Perhaps we should start a new "Betting Chit Chat" thread, and keep all the tips in the Betting Thread then? :D

:D Wouldn't work though...

[paf]

I've got 38-1 Palace end Arsenals unbeaten run, betfair.

[NO1FAN]

:D If anyone fancy's that bet I'll give them 100-1 as long as the bet Is over £10

[Stigma]

Good value !?: English Premiership 2004/2005 Relegation Bottom Three Teams Win CRYSTAL PALACE odds: 1.10
:rolleyes:
Only kidding, sorry, I'll get my coat..

[ozeagle]

1.10, someone loan me a million. we will finish last and be down by xmas.:(
should be 1.02

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

club together, raise 5 grand, and go out on the piss with the winnings.

VALUE innit.

[Finbar]

My first go...

ManU vs Liverpool
Ryan Giggs to score at any time
10pts @ 4.3-1 with Betfair
http://global.betfair.com/?mi=2088378&rfr=114

strikes me as good value, most bookies going at less than 3/1
http://bestbetting.com/Default.aspx?market=13834920&help=false

he is starting in front of the midfield so you would imagine he is bound to get a few chances

In truth on this kind of bet Betfair are always a lot better than the bookies (especially if you look at Riise, 13/1 against 6/1 with one bookie)

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
I think its a good idea.

Betting Thread: all punts including wild guesses
Goldmine: Dead certs
Value Shop: "I can't believe that price" type of bets.

This is spot on.

This is where you have the chance for each way stuff as well remember. Using an example, I did Nicholas Kiefer e/w at 33/1 in a US tennis tournament in spring. He didn't win and in reality it wasn't a dead cert (of course not at that price) but he did get to the final so there was a pay out of 16/1 on the e/w part of the bet.

It would never have been put in Goldmine because it wasn't a dead cert yet had there been the Value Shop, people could have seen it and profited all the same.

Others that spring to mind are oz's great Ginepri straight sets bets at 9/1 in January and stigma's 13/1 on Empoli over Inter Milan - neither were dead certs but both were great value given the build up and both won.

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +2.10

JCM 1/1 +1.95
Stigma 1/1 +0.7
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Decided this is Value....

(from betting thread)

For tonight I like the look of Sunderland away at Crewe (2.30)

Sunderland come into top form the last few weeks with 3 straight wins and scoring plenty.
Crewe look like they will be having a tough season and are shipping loads of goals.

Earlier in the season (when Sunderland were poor) they played at the SOL and Sunderland won 3-0.

[Finbar]

JCM, which bookie is that with? Sounds like a reasonable punt to me as can see them taking it seriously

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Gamebookers

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

The 2.30 has just become 2.20!!

[Finbar]

shall take a look on my accounts when I get home, might be able to find 2.15 or something which is still worth a go I think, though not as good value...

[Finbar]

2.58 on Betfair! :p

Have lumped / loaded or whatever the expression is these days!

guess that's 6/4 after commission so it will do me nicely

[Stavros 69]

Put a small bet on this one, not too sure though :hmph:

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

You can't be sure Stav, this is the Value Shop not the Goldmine.

All we can do is look at the stats and the trends and see where they point a certain direction whilst the bookies are pointing another...

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +2.10

JCM 1/2 +0.95
Stigma 1/1 +0.7
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1


JCM slightly unfortunate with the Sunderland tip. :(

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by Stavros 69
Put a small bet on this one, not too sure though :hmph:

As i was right :hmph:

[Stigma]

A good bet in Sweden today:
Trelleborg – Halmstad, away win, odds: 1.85 with Centrebet
Trelleborg without a win in there last 14 games. 8 points adrift at the bottom of the table, clearly not good enough for this division.
3.place Halmstad should win this one..

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

That's what we like to hear Stigma!

keep them coming. I haven't got the energy to think for myself today so I'm in the hands of you people.

so far we have Stuttgart and Halmsted.
need another for the treble.

[Tor]

But be aware of the inherent power of Swedish footie; FREAK RESULTS. ;)

[Stigma]

Trelleborg – Halmstad 0-4 FT :)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

top shopping! :p

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +2.95

Stigma 1/1 +1.55
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1

Stigma storming ahead. Great start for the Value Shop. :p

[Grim Reaper]

Formula 1

Barrichello and Schumacher dual forecast 1/2 (any order)

7/4 with Ladbrokes

Price a little high due to this being a new track in F1. People still uncertain at how to play it but with Ferrari's expertise and finances behind their testing and experimenting it's hard to see how the Ferrari team will allow their clear dominance to be eroded by this factor.

The pair have finished as the leading two on 8 occasions already this season so 7/4 is great value.

[Grim Reaper]

Tennis

Britain to beat Austria @ 5/4 with Victor Chandler

There's two things you can say about Britain in the Davis Cup.

1. They always get relegated from the World Group
2. They always bounce back from the Euro Group

As we're in the Euro group, one should expect us to jump straight back. Well, it's not quite so clear cut as Britain travel to Austria, looking to create something of an upset.

Reasons against the bet

Match being played on a very slow clay track
Rusedski still coming back from the enforced lay off at the start of the year
Austria's main players all semi decent (forget Julian Knowle - he's crap)

Reasons FOR the bet

Henmania in great form for the whole year INCLUDING clay courts. Not just Roland Garros but a good run in Monte Carlo as well.
Rusedski going well since Wimbledon (12-4)
Henmanian and Rusedski 8-0 in doubles.

Fair enough that Britain are underdogs but at 5/4 it looks worth the gamble to me.

[pauldrulez]

Here's one that I found.
Gianluca Fisichella to finish in the points@11/10 WillHill
Less than evens with all others.

[Grim Reaper]

Not looking good for Henmania OR the bet right now. :(

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Formula 1

Barrichello and Schumacher dual forecast 1/2 (any order)

7/4 with Ladbrokes

Price a little high due to this being a new track in F1. People still uncertain at how to play it but with Ferrari's expertise and finances behind their testing and experimenting it's hard to see how the Ferrari team will allow their clear dominance to be eroded by this factor.

The pair have finished as the leading two on 8 occasions already this season so 7/4 is great value.

Think you can your ticket up on this one Grim. Schumacher spun his car in qualifying and will start from the back row of the grid. :eek:

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by bunghole
Think you can your ticket up on this one Grim. Schumacher spun his car in qualifying and will start from the back row of the grid. :eek:

Pah! Just makes it more interesting! ;)

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Pah! Just makes it more interesting! ;)

You can get on with me at 7/4 if you like Grim. ;) :D

[Grim Reaper]

You're all right bung! ;)

[Grim Reaper]

Melzer to beat Rusedski in straight sets. 2.22 with Betfair

Goes against what I said earlier in this thread but Melzer was always likely to win this one. Having just seen the slowness of the court, Rusedski's main weapon will be nulified.

Melzer will be aided by seeing his teammate win so easily and if their No.2 can beat our No.1 easily what's it going to be when it's reversed?

Melzer also destroyed Rusedski on clay in St Polten.

2.22 is the value. :p

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +1.95

Stigma 2/2 +1.55
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
Grim 0/1 -1

Oops :o

[Stigma]

Good bet today:
Danish Division Two HOLBÆK v HOLSTEBRO Head To Head Win HOLBÆK 1.38 (Centrebet)

Holbæk starting to play some good football (currently just 8 in the table). Normally a good home team and they've got some central players back today. 12 placed Holstebro have a bad away record. And Holbæk should be big favourites today, they beat Holstebro 5-1 here last season.
Game starts in just 75 minutes though..


(I'm actually 2/2, Grim!)

[Stigma]

Holbæk won just 1-0, but still good:)

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +1.33

Stigma 3/3 +1.93
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
Grim 0/2 -2

I'm having a mare! Need Rusedski to do the biz and save me from 0-3!!!

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Stigma

(I'm actually 2/2, Grim!)

3/3 now mate :p

[ozeagle]

and Grim, -3/3...as expected. oz actually 2/2 but as stated, to be found on the predominant betting thread, el morocco v arthurs, and s williams.
:D

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

more value provided by my favourite Spanish losers Murcia today.

Home to Celta.

Murcia's Played 4, Lost 4 record is augmented by losing 5-1 home to Alaves (value if ever there was)

today they are home to solid Celta and I expect more of the same.

Celta an incredible 2.35 for the win!!!

SHOP TILL YOU DROP!

[pauldrulez]

Im 1/1 Fisichella came 7th.

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +1.43

Stigma 3/3 +1.93
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
Grim 0/3 -3

Jesus. Can I do anything right?????? Well done pauldrulez for a winning start.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

FFS! goal 2 mins from time for useless Murcia. 1-1

what a shite day!

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +0.43

Stigma 3/3 +1.93
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 1/1 +0.45
JCM 1/3 -0.05
Finbar 0/1 -1
Grim 0/3 -3

Thank God for stigma!!!

[Stigma]

Well I’m going to ruin that perfect score with this value bet today:
Charlton – Blackburn, away win, odds: 3.75 with Playit.com

I think the Hughes effect will strike tonight, Blackburn will get stronger and rise upwards in the table soon.
Charlton are going to struggle a bit this season I feel and I think Blackburn easily can win this one. And with the odds as high as 3.75 it’s surely worth a wager on.

[Finbar]

Stig, with you 100% on that one, agree totally

[si1965]

For those of you not brave enough to go for the straight away win for Blackburn:

Blackburn 0, +0.5 2.075 Premierbet

Blackburn without an away win this season face a Charlton side unbeaten at home. Looks like a straightforward home win, however, Charlton have a couple of injuries in defence: Jon Fortune (twisted ankle) and Luke Young (hip and groin) and Blackburn will be keen to put the humiliation of losing to Bournemouth in the cup behind them. I also expect the new manager Mark Hughes to begin to have an effect - he will be keen to build upon the victory against Portsmouth and put some distance from the relegation zone.

As an option you can also get Blackburn +0.5 1.76 at Ladbrokes.

[Finbar]

cheers Si, I would expect to get quite close to 3s on Betfair tonight, worth a look

Just don't rate Charlton and think B'burn could be good value

(maybe the heart is ruling the head a tad)

[Madden]

Think i'll leave this one alone, although a draw would be the most favourable result for ourselves.

[Stavros 69]

It has 0-0 written all over it

[Finbar]

Stig, you can get 4.1 at Betfair on Blackburn, gone in fairly heavy myself

[Stigma]

4.1 !, sounds good..

[oz_da II]

Originally posted by Stigma
4.1 !, sounds good..

Multiply that by 10 and I might be interested.

My NUFC mate watched them up at St. Jame's last week and said it was the worst side he has seen for many a year. Woeful.

After my "endorsement" Rovers will probably win now. :p

[ozeagle]

Ok.
Value thread input.
Wassen 4.5 to beat Saretta 2-0 Bangkok Tennis.
Wassen first round, first match up for 4 months, pounded Andreev, a quality clay courter, 6-2 6-0. Saretta is also a clay courter, of similar ilk.
Saretta’s form on hard is abysmal.
Wassen may have come back better than ever. Worth taking the risk. He’ll either hose up, or get whipped. I fancy the former, 4.5, too good to refuse.

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -0.57

Stigma 3/4 +0.93
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
si1965 - 0/1 -1
Grim 0/3 -3

[Madden]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -0.57
:eek:

Lets hope ozeagle's Wassen bet can turn the shop's fortunes around!

[ozeagle]

of course it will...oz to grim's rescue.

[citizen sane]

Here's a couple that i think are worth a small punt...I've written a proper explanation to my reasoning behind this in the main betting thread .

AEK v Gorica 2 @11

Amica v Ventspils 2 @ 8.2

Metallurg v Schalke 1 @ 5

All odds from betfair and all are 1 or 2 / 10 bets

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by ozeagle
of course it will...oz to grim's rescue.

The only thing you're rescuing is my personal pride.....by joining me on a minus score!! :(

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -1.57

Stigma 3/4 +0.93
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
si1965 - 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
Grim 0/3 -3


Been a terrible run for the Value Shop. Can citizen sane's big hitters turn things around?

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

Maribor over Parma tonight, havent looked for best price but 11/5 on Bet365

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

theses 2nd leg european matches are a headache to call.

so many factors to consider. I'm sure there's value there somewhere but finding it is an arse.

[citizen sane]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
theses 2nd leg european matches are a headache to call.

so many factors to consider. I'm sure there's value there somewhere but finding it is an arse.

Tis true . I spent about 4 hours sifting through information to come up with my bets today and i've been betting on the European cups since the first qualifying rounds this season so i already had some knowledge of the teams involved ....Hopefully this work will pay off tonight :hmph:

One thing i am steering clear off now are the 1.2 / 1.3 dead certs after discovering that my hit ratio with these is no better than my 1.7/ 1.8 bets :confused:

[citizen sane]

Originally posted by citizen sane
Here's a couple that i think are worth a small punt...I've written a proper explanation to my reasoning behind this in the main betting thread .

AEK v Gorica 2 @11

Amica v Ventspils 2 @ 8.2

Metallurg v Schalke 1 @ 5

All odds from betfair and all are 1 or 2 / 10 bets

Sorry :( 0-1 , 0-1 , and 0-4 .

AEK scored in the 90th minute , livescore raised my hopes by having tGorica leading in the 1st half.....Tossers

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -5.57

Stigma 3/4 +0.93
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
si1965 - 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/1 -1
Grim 0/3 -3
citizen 0/3 -3

Been a terrible run for the Value Shop. Citzizen close on a couple of his big hitters. LL close with his Maribor bet but close only counts in horseshoes and hand greandes! :(

[ozeagle]

time to oxo thread.

[Tor]

Originally posted by ozeagle
time to oxo thread.

I like the idea, but this isn't going to work. Let's stick to the Betting Thread. A value bet would be going for Narvik at Alta this weekend, but Bet365's 26 in odds would ruin the thread completely if it didn't come in. 26 in odds is still value, though...

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Tor
I like the idea, but this isn't going to work. Let's stick to the Betting Thread. A value bet would be going for Narvik at Alta this weekend, but Bet365's 26 in odds would ruin the thread completely if it didn't come in. 26 in odds is still value, though...

No it wouldn't, that's exactly the sort of thing that we want. Ten losses followed by a 25/1 winner shows that if you keep plugging away then PROFIT can be made.

If we keep sticking with value then the wins will come.

Annoyed I didn't get on teh case with my Wakefield tips last night. They were value and other BBSers made money but i just didn't get round to putting them on here.

[Grim Reaper]

fed up[ with thinking of weinners and not pyutting them up. Bradford's upset win at Leeds in the Super League last night beingthe latest.

Hopefully I've got it right with this now that I've remembered.

NFL
Philadelphia Eagles @ Chicago Bears
1st Quarter over 7.5 pts
6/5 or 2.2

Philadelphia 1st Quarters so far this season have been 14-7; 7-3; 14-0

Philly red hot this seasona d always seem to explode from the off.

Chicago quieter and have been lowish scoring in the 1st Quarter but the combination of decent QB and WR Terrell Owens should take the score to at least 10 point first quarter.

:p

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
fed up[ with thinking of weinners and not pyutting them up. Bradford's upset win at Leeds in the Super League last night beingthe latest.

Hopefully I've got it right with this now that I've remembered.

NFL
Philadelphia Eagles @ Chicago Bears
1st Quarter over 7.5 pts
6/5 or 2.2

Philadelphia 1st Quarters so far this season have been 14-7; 7-3; 14-0

Philly red hot this seasona d always seem to explode from the off.

Chicago quieter and have been lowish scoring in the 1st Quarter but the combination of decent QB and WR Terrell Owens should take the score to at least 10 point first quarter.

:p

This bet is with 5Dimes by the way

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -5.57

Stigma 3/4 +0.93
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
JCM 1/2 +0.95
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
si1965 - 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/1 -1
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/4 -4

What's going on here? I was convinced that would win!!!

:(

[Grim Reaper]

Right you lot, do yourself a favour and get on John Kerry to win the US election.

2.56 Betfair
2.5 bet365

How he's this price is beyond me. After last week's Presidential debate, Kerry has now taken the lead in the polls.

All other indications are that very few voters have switched sides since the 200 election meaning it's likely to go down to the wire once more. on thatoccasion more people actually voted Democrat but they still lost!! With more people than ever registering to vote (20% more voters in the marginal seat of Florida for instance) the feeling is that many people will come out to 'make up' for not voting Democrat last time.

Price may not last long as the Vice-Presidential debate takes place tonight. Normally it carries little significance but in such a tight race it could change perhaps just 1 or 2% of voters and that would be enough.

Democrat John Edwards is the future of US politics and this could the night he cements his place in the top part of US politics. Dick Cheney meanwhile is as experienced as you can get. Not saying who'll definitely win this one but with Edwards' background as a trial lawyer, he knows how to debate and win people over. Not only that but he has the looks, unlike Cheney. Surely this doesn't matter? Wrong! Never been a bald president in the 230+ years - it shouldn't matter but it does. Not that Edwards is going for presidency himself but US voters are notoriously swayed by non-political factors like looks.

Still a month or so to the election but if Edwards hits the right buttons tonight the 2.5 price may be a distant memory.

Imagine a coin-tossing contest. First to ten and heads was 5-4 up. Then imagine someone offering heads at 6/4 to reach ten first - you'd do it wouldn't you???? GET ON KERRY!!!

[Grim Reaper]

GET ON THIS ONE!!

Won't pay out until mid-December but it's a great investment at 1/3.

bet365
BBC Sports TEAM of the Year

Europe Ryder Cup Team @ 1/3


With Federer (1/7 for Overseas Personality) and Holmes (1/16 for the main prize) having made themselves unbackable (bet365 won't allow doubles and trebles!! :hmph: ) thsi represent a great bet at a decent price. The destruction of the US when UNDERDOGS (!) was sensational. The Olympics rowing team did well and are 7/1 but as the Europe win was over three days AND more recent it'll be this that the punters remember whne the votes are cast.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

From the betting thread, I believe this is value.

"McCulloch (1.85) against Jimmy White. McCulloch is a no nonsense tough player who gives no one an easy ride. This is a tough one to call at any time but (I've no idea how common knowledge this is, everyone may well know this by now) I know for a fact that Jimmy hurt his back quite badly last week playing a pool exhibition match and nearly pulled out of this tournament."


To be honest this is going to be close but when I heard what Jimmy had done I didn't expect to see him anywhere near Preston this week, there's no way that he is 100% fit and being comfortable in your stance does make a big difference - he could barely move at the weekend.

Also Ian McCulloch is from Preston and this is his home tournament. a factor? no idea but can't do him any harm.

[Micky Spilane]

If i'd known about this thread then my first punt would have been Palace to beat Foolham at 7/4 Ladbrokes, I had £12 on it, if you don't believe me I'll post my ticket as I've not cashed it in yet, will look at this more closely in the future but at the moment I'm saving for my holiday and, Grim, you may be successful at running a guest house, but your perfomance thus far would have lost me money!

[Micky Spilane]

Here's the jpeg:

[Finbar]

Mickey, you could have backed us at 3.23 (just under 9/4) with Betfair and that is taking into account the full commission

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Steven Maguire 17.00 to win Grand Prix at Preston.

Bet365 opened the market (closes around midday) this morning at this attractive price for an EACH-WAY bet. The draw is opening up beautifully at the bottom end, a quarter final with Hendry is Maguires biggest obstacle and over 9 frames and early in the season playing well theres every chance he will win that one. Other than that its a cruise to the final...

1pt each-way (small stakes obviously at 17.00)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Cruises through to the quarter finals, Hendry loses- looking good...

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -4.72

JCM 1/2 +1.80
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Stigma 3/4 +0.93
Tor 1/1 +0.45
Finbar 0/1 -1
si1965 - 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/1 -1
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/4 -4

JCM lands a much needed win for The Shop :p

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Micky Spilane
If i'd known about this thread then my first punt would have been Palace to beat Foolham at 7/4 Ladbrokes, I had £12 on it, if you don't believe me I'll post my ticket as I've not cashed it in yet, will look at this more closely in the future but at the moment I'm saving for my holiday and, Grim, you may be successful at running a guest house, but your perfomance thus far would have lost me money!

I don't believe you ;)

[bunghole]

First crack at the value thread.

Bathurst 1000 Supercar Race.

Car 15 Greg Murphy/Rick Kelly @ $5.50

Murphy won this race last year. Fastest in early qualifying. Main reason for this bet is that unless they have a prang, they'll finish the race. If they finish the race then they're more than likely to be in front when the chequered flag drops.

Insipid sport though.

[ozeagle]

no bet..

[ozeagle]

here's one:
must get on before tomorrow.
king's chapel, $5 the place in the Cox Plate.
going to be a small field, and this horse is well up to it.
beadman has stayed on board for the past 3 runs, beaten a lip by grand armee last start, grand armee close 2nd fav...will have the final crack in the Plate...
if he runs them close tomorrow, he could be 3rd fav at about $5 the win...well worth the risk, the Plate has always been his goal.
1 unit the place for value thread.
i still can't get his 2nd up run in NZ out of my head.
:)

[si1965]

Hers one with a bit of value:

Exeter v Carlisle
Exeter with a patchy home record were beaten 3-0 by top of the table Barnet last week. Carlisle are the form team and have also scored 11 goals in their last two away games.
There are a number of options from the straight win [2.25 for the away win (Victor Chandler)] to the Over bet (not sure of odds).
I like the sound of the HT/FT option
Carlisle/Carlisle 4.0 (Stan James) with a covering bet on Draw/Carlisle (5.0 Stan James)

[Tor]

Value alert:

PointBet offers 1.78 (& Ladbrokes 1.75) for under 2.5 goals in the Ukraine-Greece match today. Others are on 1.55-1.60 as they should.

I can't for the love of god see how this would turn into a goalfest. At home, Ukraine usually shuts up shop, and in the last 6 matches Greece have been involved in only one match with 3 goals or more.

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

France v Rep of Ireland

Ireland win at 6/1

[Tor]

Originally posted by Tor
Value alert:

PointBet offers 1.78 (& Ladbrokes 1.75) for under 2.5 goals in the Ukraine-Greece match today. Others are on 1.55-1.60 as they should.

I can't for the love of god see how this would turn into a goalfest. At home, Ukraine usually shuts up shop, and in the last 6 matches Greece have been involved in only one match with 3 goals or more.

1-1 :p

[bunghole]

Originally posted by ozeagle
no bet..

A gem from the 'Validator'. :D

Kelly and Murphy win Bathurst. :lux:

Value thread now back on track with some help from Tor. Rack it up Grim. :D :p

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +0.56

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 1/2 +1.80
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Stigma 3/4 +0.93
Finbar 0/1 -1
si1965 - 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/1 -1
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/4 -4

Great comeback from the Value Shop with bung and Tor landing nice wins! :p

Now to try and decipher si1965's mail, which has about three tips in it!! :eek:

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by ozeagle
no bet..

The Validator is INVALID!! :D

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -1.44

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 1/2 +1.80
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Stigma 3/4 +0.93
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/4 -4

Now includes LLCOOL's near miss with Eire and Si's loss on Carlisle.

Still need a word from oz on the horse he backed.

[ozeagle]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -1.44

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 1/2 +1.80
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Stigma 3/4 +0.93
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/4 -4

Now includes LLCOOL's near miss with Eire and Si's loss on Carlisle.

Still need a word from oz on the horse he backed.

2 weeks time, Grim
:)

[Stigma]

Division Two
HOLBÆK v B 1913 Head To Head Win HOLBÆK
1.80 with Centrebet
Holbæk in good form winning there last 5 games and playing good football. B1913 with 5 games without winning. This after selling there best player. They have 3 players suspended today. Should be a home win to good odds.
The only "problem" is that the games starts in 20 minutes !!

[Stigma]

Holbæk - B1913 2-0 FT:)

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -0.64

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 1/2 +1.80
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/4 -4

[Grim Reaper]

Surely I've got to get one of these right!

Leigh over Whitehaven in the National Lge Play Offs for the right to go to super League next season (English Rugby League)

-1 on the handicap 10/11 Paddy Power

Leigh have been in the last two Grand Finals and have only been denied by the might of the previous year's relagtion team being strong enough to bounce back up. This year the pattern was finally stopped as Halifax, the relegated team, were woeful and were never a threat. Leigh have been seriously gearing up for Super League for three years now and tonight's the night it will finally happen for them.

Action on Sky Sports 3

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Surely I've got to get one of these right!

Leigh over Whitehaven in the National Lge Play Offs for the right to go to super League next season (English Rugby League)

-1 on the handicap 10/11 Paddy Power

Leigh have been in the last two Grand Finals and have only been denied by the might of the previous year's relagtion team being strong enough to bounce back up. This year the pattern was finally stopped as Halifax, the relegated team, were woeful and were never a threat. Leigh have been seriously gearing up for Super League for three years now and tonight's the night it will finally happen for them.

Action on Sky Sports 3

They won 32-16.....but it was a draw after 80 mins so they lost by one on the flaming handicap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sob: :sob:

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -1.64

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 1/2 +1.80
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Five consecutive losers mean a fortnight's ban - so don't pile on crap for the hell of it.

Grim :hi: :D

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by bunghole
Grim :hi: :D

Where did that quote coem from bung? :confused:

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Where did that quote coem from bung? :confused:

Post 1 - Page 1. :o

That is until it was 'Last edited by Grim Reaper on 11-10-2004 at 4.10pm' :D :lux:

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by bunghole
Post 1 - Page 1. :o

That is until it was 'Last edited by Grim Reaper on 11-10-2004 at 4.10pm' :D :lux:

;) :o

[Grim Reaper]

I was speaking with a number of member of the BBS and they all said the rule should be scrapped.

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
I was speaking with a number of member of the BBS and they all said the rule should be scrapped.

That was nice of Oz. ;) :D

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Time to get this value shop thing back on the road.

and the road its back on leads to Slovakia

Dubnica and Zilna (2.65 and 2.50)

top two in the league away to 7th place (out of 10) Puchov and second bottom Trnava respectively. Got to be decent value hasn't it even though this is a notoriously difficult league to predict.

Singles on both- one comes up you're laughing two come up you're happy as larry.

also like inter Bratislava to lose at home (1.65) but not for the value shop.

[ozeagle]

Originally posted by bunghole
That was nice of Oz. ;) :D

on the contrary, any thread concerning betting, where Grim's input can be minimised, should be encouraged..:D

[ozeagle]

right, i'm going to have some on straight sets at 5.5, but vliegen over mathieu in the metz tennis at 3.1 has to be entertained...vliegen a half decent player, been good this year, and up against PHM, who's had problems.
get on.
:)

[fredman]

Originally posted by ozeagle
right, i'm going to have some on straight sets at 5.5, but vliegen over mathieu in the metz tennis at 3.1 has to be entertained...vliegen a half decent player, been good this year, and up against PHM, who's had problems.
get on.
:)

I have:p

[ozeagle]

small stakes, i hope..

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
Time to get this value shop thing back on the road.

and the road its back on leads to Slovakia

Dubnica and Zilna (2.65 and 2.50)

top two in the league away to 7th place (out of 10) Puchov and second bottom Trnava respectively. Got to be decent value hasn't it even though this is a notoriously difficult league to predict.

Singles on both- one comes up you're laughing two come up you're happy as larry.

also like inter Bratislava to lose at home (1.65) but not for the value shop.


Dubnica win 2-1 :) so profit already
need Zilina to grab a win now.

Also Inter Brat lose 3-1 so more profit :)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Zilina 1-0 up. 2nd half underway.... come on bring home the 3/3

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

and Zilina win 1-0,

I think we should restart this thread from today.

JCM 3/3 +3.80 ;)

[samtheeagle]

Surely liverpool over Fulham @ 2.6 is good value.

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by samtheeagle
Surely liverpool over Fulham @ 2.6 is good value.

Agreed, when is this ??

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
and Zilina win 1-0,

I think we should restart this thread from today.

JCM 3/3 +3.80 ;)

Great form mate :p

I will add the two wins you actually put forward (shame you didn't add Bratislava as well.)

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by ozeagle
on the contrary, any thread concerning betting, where Grim's input can be minimised, should be encouraged..:D

GIT.....but alas there is some credence to your jibes. :(


Roll on Sunday and NFL!!!! :p

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +1.51

JCM 3/4 +4.95
bunghole 1/1 +4.5
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

Great work from JCM to nulify the Reaper's continued poor form!!!

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

you missed out my loss last week on Maguire Grim, much as I like being top, I'm really not worthy. :)

[bunghole]

OK lads, lets venture into the sport of kings for the value thread.

Desert War @ $9.00 win and $3.00 place in the Caulfield Cup.

Won the Epsom Handicap at Randwick last start as easily as any horse has won any of the big mile races run at Randwick over the last 30 years or so.

A quick glance at the history of the Caulfield Cup will show that not many horses win, or even run in the Epsom prior to the Caulfield Cup. This is primarily because trainers like to follow the traditional path of running their charges in the weight for age races in Melbourne leading into the Cup.

Whilst you won't find a lot of instances of horses with form out of the Epsom due to the reasons above, there have been two in the last 15 years that have gone on to win the Cup.

Cole Deisel won the Cup in '89 on basically a sprinters preparation after winning the Epsom and in '97, the great Might And Power obliterated the Cup field after running 4th in the Epsom.

The risks with Desert War are:

1. Untried at the distance (2400 metres) but is bred to handle it and the way it finished off the race in the Epsom, where you basically need a horse to be capable of running a strong 2000 metres, would indicate that it should get the trip.

2. Never raced in Melbourne. The Sydney racetracks are all clockwise whilst in Melbourne the tracks are anti-clockwise. If a Sydney horse is going struggle with the reverse way of racing in Melbourne, history shows that it will usually do so at Caulfield.

The upside of these couple of question marks about the horse is that we're going to get 8/1. If you knew that it would handle the Melbourne way of going and that it would run the trip, the horse would be 6/4 based on it's win in the Epsom, so it's worth taking the punt.

Also on the plus side, rain is forecast for Melbourne later in the week which will help as the horse likes the sting out of the ground, the horse has drawn barrier 1 so it should get the run of the race and it's being ridden by Scott Seamer who won this race in '01 aboard Ethereal and has a knack of winning big races.

As for the others in the race, I wouldn't touch the favourite Elvstroem with a barge pole. Been beating handicappers at weight for age getting ready for the Melbourne Cup and meets many of them poorly at the weights in the Caulfield Cup. Also a risk at the distance despite winning the Victoria Derby over 2500 metres last year against it's own age.

Summing up, this horse could be the next star of the Australian turf. If it is (and we'll find out on Saturday), then 8/1 each way is simply too good a price to ignore.

1 Point each way thanks Grim. :p :lux:

[Tor]

Another evening of WC Quals, and another evening of value offers from the bookies.

Yet again it's the over/under bets that seem to be the most juicy ones.

Betfairs 1.71 on under 2.5 in Norway-Slovenia is awesome. These teams are not exactly notorious scorers, and tend to keep the amount of goals to a minimum. Saturday Norway beat Scotland 1-0 :D, and Slovenia beat Italy 1-0. Tonight we're in for 90 mins. of muscles, long passes, and astute defensive play. A lot of goals? Nah.

Edit: "Syntax error" in my head.

[Stigma]

Originally posted by Tor
Another evening of WC Quals, and another evening of value offers from the bookies.

Yet again it's the over/under bets that seem to be the most juicy ones.

Betfairs 1.71 on under 2.5 in Norway-Slovenia is awesome. These teams are not exactly notorious scorers, and tend to keep the amount of goals to a minimum. Saturday Norway drew 1-1 with Scotland, and Slovenia beat Italy 1-0. Tonight we're in for 90 mins. of muscles, long passes, and astute defensive play. A lot of goals? Nah.

"Saturday Norway drew 1-1 with Scotland, "
:eek: What were you drinking on saturday, Tor !?

[oz_da II]

It should have been 1-1 ;)

[Tor]

Originally posted by Stigma
"Saturday Norway drew 1-1 with Scotland, "
:eek: What were you drinking on saturday, Tor !?

LOL! :D Where the hell did that come from?!
Obviously, they won 1-0 :)

...and yes, I was drinking heavily at the time, but that's no excuse. I'm a genious when drunk. :D

Let's edit...

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
you missed out my loss last week on Maguire Grim, much as I like being top, I'm really not worthy. :)

Your honesty is a virtue :)

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - +0.51

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 3/5 +3.95
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
Tor 2/2 +1.23
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[Tor]

Sorry about that under 2.5 flop... Norway scoring the 3-0 goal in the 90th minute. I'm happy with the win, but we didn't need that goal! :(

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Value for the weekend comes in the form of Poli Ejido at home to Gijon (2.00)

Ejido are top of the league won their last 4, Gijon struggling haven't won in 4.

2.00 seems way overpriced, may even be better elsewhere havent checked.

[Tor]

Not so high odds, but still excellent value in Expekt's 1.55 for Storhamar to beat Lillehammer in norwegian hockey tonight.

A local derby, which Storhamar always wins. Last years champions, and they have the best squad this year as well. Lillehammer, considered very mediocre, have won only 3 out of 7, while Storhamar have won 5 out of 6. Norsk Tipping has this as low as 1.30, which seems about right.

I'm very confident of the "away" win here.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Tor, what happened with this one? was it a winner?

[si1965]

Sunday 5th December
V Klitschko v D Williams
Williams to Win 5.5 Gamebookers & William Hill

Danny Williams has gained this shot at the title following his impressive victory over Mike Tyson in July. All of the bookies see Klitschko as runaway favourite - with his height (6'8") and clubbing right hand (32 out of 33 wins by KO, only 2 lost) you can see why.
Danny Williams should not be underestimated and he showed in his contest with Tyson that he can rise to the occasion (equally he has been accused of sinking to the level of his opponent in previous bouts which may explain his previous form against 'lesser' opponents). Even if he is a 'one-shot-wonder' I think that this will work in Danny's favour - he will grab the opportunity with both hands. Despite being shorter than his opponent he has a good reach, is heavier and has a good punch (32 Wins - 27 KO's - 3 Losses).
He will undoubtedly be in the shape of his life and he has said in interviews that his father told him since he was 4 or 5 that he would one day be World Champion - "I always believed I would get to the top. Now that I'm here I'm going to make the most of it".
Lennox Lewis has also backed Williams saying that he thinks Williams can out-box the Ukranian highlighting his vulnerability to body shots and the fact that he cuts up badly (Klitschko needed 50 stitches after his fight with Lewis).
I cannot see these odds staying this high so get on this early if you want to get value.

:)

[bunghole]

Originally posted by bunghole
Desert War @ $9.00 win and $3.00 place in the Caulfield Cup.
Stone motherless last. :lux:

The risks with Desert War are:
1.Untried at the distance (2400 metres)
Got that right. Gone at the 600. :rolleyes:

As for the others in the race, I wouldn't touch the favourite Elvstroem with a barge pole.
Guess who won the race? :rolleyes: :bash:

Summing up, this horse could be the next star of the Australian turf.
Maybe not. He's a camel.

One of my best.

Now you know why I don't bet on horses. :eek: :D

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Tor
Sorry about that under 2.5 flop

YOU SHOULD BE!!!! ;)

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -0.49

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 3/5 +3.95
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 2/3 +0.23
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
Value for the weekend comes in the form of Poli Ejido at home to Gijon (2.00)

Ejido are top of the league won their last 4, Gijon struggling haven't won in 4.

2.00 seems way overpriced, may even be better elsewhere havent checked.

:bash: :bash:

1-1, with some bloke called Ismael scoring for Gijon! :(

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
:bash: :bash:

1-1, with some bloke called Ismael scoring for Gijon! :(

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -0.49

bunghole 1/1 +4.5
JCM 3/6 +2.95
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 2/3 +0.23
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[Stigma]

Time to get this thread back in profit:
Tippeligaen MOLDE v HAM-KAM Head To Head Win MOLDE
2.55 Odds from Centrebet.
Must win game for Molde and they'll win this one. HamKam unstable and they would follow "there normal record" by losing this game..

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Tor
Not so high odds, but still excellent value in Expekt's 1.55 for Storhamar to beat Lillehammer in norwegian hockey tonight.

A local derby, which Storhamar always wins. Last years champions, and they have the best squad this year as well. Lillehammer, considered very mediocre, have won only 3 out of 7, while Storhamar have won 5 out of 6. Norsk Tipping has this as low as 1.30, which seems about right.

I'm very confident of the "away" win here.

The jury's still out on this one!

[Stigma]

Lillehammer Storhamar 2-1 FT..

[Tor]

yeah yeah yeah :)

Got another good one here:

Lokeren (6th) - Club Brügge (2nd) - 2 - 1.80 (Ladbrokes)

The reason for the high odds on CB is Lokerens 3-1-0 home record. But behind those numbers you'll find home wins against the might of FC Brussels, La Louviere and Westerlo. Not exactly Belgiums finest.

So when they now finally are up against some decent opposition, it's going to be hard to get points at all. CB and Anderlecht are way ahead of the rest in Belgium, and CB's record of 6-2-0 22-4 hints to an away win at good odds.

But I've been crap lately, so stay away! ;)

[Stigma]

Molde - Ham.Kam 0-0 FT
Brrr...:hmph:

[Tor]

Lokeren - Club Brügge 0-2 FT :p

[ozeagle]

florian mayer to beat robin soderling 2.95 CB...mayer clearly a better player on clay,
soderling poor throughout 2004 on clay. the difference is stark. get on, and collect.
mayer also ranked higher overall.
DUMP

[el mico]

oz, Madrid tourno is not on clay......

[oz_da II]

Originally posted by el mico
oz, Madrid tourno is not on clay......

The master of tennis, indeed. :clown:

Time to get that clown photo out again?

[bunghole]

Grim

You need to deduct 2 points from my total after Desert War ran like a busted in the Caulfield Cup. :grrr: :(

[ozeagle]

Originally posted by el mico
oz, Madrid tourno is not on clay......

oops, that's bad news.
:(

[ozeagle]

hence the loss on mayer..
:(

[ozeagle]

again tonight, vliegen to bet canas, vliegen through qualifying easily accounting for Martin, canas has had some big weeks of late and vliegen is on the up...3.5 is huge value. DUMP.

[oz_da II]

What surface is this one on, oz? :clown:

[Daddy Long]

This isn't a Goldmine bet but I reckon West Ham v Stoke, 4.33 on Stoke is too good to turn down for a smallish wager. West Ham aren't that good and Stoke aren't as bad as those odds suggest.

[Tor]

Obviously not a lot of value bets around...

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Here is a value double for tomorrow from gamebookers.

Telstar to score against Eindhoven (1.45) going into
Go Ahead to score against Top Oss (1.46)

Just check out Eindhoven and Top Oss's's's's defensive record recently.

Eindhoven have let in 5, 3 and 5 in their last 3 games
Top Ass 3,2,4 in their last 3

2.12 the double??? money for old rope.



cue 0-0 draws all round.

TOP ASS!!

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -3.49

JCM 3/6 +2.95
bunghole 1/3 +2.5
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 2/4 -0.77
Finbar 0/1 -1
ozeagle - 0/2 -2
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

Getting teh table back up to date.

Still got oz's Vliegen bet to validate ;) and the Stoke bet.

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Still got oz's Vliegen bet to validate ;) and the Stoke bet.

Oh God, these make it even worse!!

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -5.49

JCM 3/6 +2.95
bunghole 1/3 +2.5
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 2/4 -0.77
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper

ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

Together again. ;)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Oh God, these make it even worse!!


don't worry TOP ASS will concede tonight as will Eindhoven and we'll be moving in the right direction again. ;)

[Tor]

You have left out my Brügge winner, Grim. I have 3/5 +0.03 ;)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

LOL this is going well :rolleyes:

no goals for either. 25 mins to go :rolleyes:

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -4.69

JCM 3/6 +2.95
bunghole 1/3 +2.5
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 3/5 -0.03
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
LOL this is going well :rolleyes:

no goals for either. 25 mins to go :rolleyes:

How did this end???

[Tor]

+0.03 Grim, not -0.03
I makes a WORLD of difference :D;)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
How did this end???

bolloxed.

whip another pt off.

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL -5.69

bunghole 1/3 +2.5
JCM 3/7 +1.95
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 3/5 +0.03
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

JCM now on a Grim-like charge down the table :eek:

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

Back Burnley now, 11/10, 1-0 up over Villa

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

Burnley miss a penalty

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

2-0 to Burnley

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

3-1

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Back Burnley now, 11/10, 1-0 up over Villa

It was good tip but we can't have IP on here as it doesn't fgive others a chance to back it. I'll add it to the page 1 rules - which your post has illustrated, has been missed out.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper


JCM now on a Grim-like charge down the table :eek:

don't worry we have the British Open followed by the UK Championships next month. Be plenty of snooker value on offer which I will uncover with my usual panache ;) :D

[Stigma]

Italian Serie A LAZIO v MESSINA Head To Head Win LAZIO
1.95 Centrebet

I find value in the above bet tonight..
Normally the odds would be under 1.5 on this game, but Lazio have struggled a bit this season. Lazio have had a few players injured, but they are slowly getting players back now, Messina have after a good start lost there last 2 games and playing a bit poorly in those games too.
Tonight they are without Giampa, Rafael, Fusco and Mamede (injured), whilst Zoro is suspended.
Home win to good odds...

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
It was good tip but we can't have IP on here as it doesn't fgive others a chance to back it. I'll add it to the page 1 rules - which your post has illustrated, has been missed out.

What a load of bollox! You often illistrate yourself Grim about finding the best prices, how many times have you come on and said back so and so at whatever price but be quick as it wont be around for long, etc......

:confused:

[Stigma]

Originally posted by Stigma
Italian Serie A LAZIO v MESSINA Head To Head Win LAZIO
1.95 Centrebet

I find value in the above bet tonight..
Normally the odds would be under 1.5 on this game, but Lazio have struggled a bit this season. Lazio have had a few players injured, but they are slowly getting players back now, Messina have after a good start lost there last 2 games and playing a bit poorly in those games too.
Tonight they are without Giampa, Rafael, Fusco and Mamede (injured), whilst Zoro is suspended.
Home win to good odds...

2-0 winners :)

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
What a load of bollox! You often illistrate yourself Grim about finding the best prices, how many times have you come on and said back so and so at whatever price but be quick as it wont be around for long, etc......

:confused:

But that price wouldn't have lasted more than a few minutes. When I say such and such a price there is the chance it will last a few hours. IP football prices change every 4-5 minutes in my experience.

There's no IP betting in the Goldmine so why should this be any different?

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -3.74

stigma 4/5 +2.68
bunghole 1/3 +2.5
JCM 3/7 +1.95
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 3/5 -0.03
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by Stigma
2-0 winners :)

Doubled it with AC, good spot. This time difference is killing me with my betting, i just cant seem to get in early enough.

[Tor]

What happened to my +0.03 Grim?

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by Tor
What happened to my +0.03 Grim?

Are you always last to get a round in Tor ??

[Tor]

yep :)

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

I wouldnt get any rounds in if i was in Norway!

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
I wouldnt get any rounds in if i was in Norway!

Is my tie in the post yet ??

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

no

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
no

Y not, stevebot ??

[LLCOOLSTEVE]

Because i forgot.

[Stavros 69]

Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Because i forgot.
Well your rich now, so get down the post office :D

[bunghole]

Right, back to the nags for the Value Thread.

Cedar Manor @ $4.50 - AAMI Victoria Derby.

I'll understand if no-one backs this given my perfect record of one horse racing tip, for one last, :rolleyes: :bash: but this horse is value value value.

Currently 3rd favourite for the Derby behind the Cox Plate winner Savabeel and the Vase winner Plastered. Won the Norman Robinson Stakes with it's head on it's chest last start and loves a wet track. Over 2 inches of rain fell at Flemington yesterday and more rain is falling there today.

Will run the distance (2500 metres) right out and has Australia's premier jockey Damien Oliver on board.

$4.50 is way over the odds but get on as early as you can as the price won't last. Those with little ticker can even back it for the place at that price. :D Could even challenge for favouritism come Saturday.

2 points straight out. :p

[Tor]

Nor. Hockey - Sparta - Stavanger - 1 - 1.94 (Globet)
Sparta seems to have the upper hand on Stavanger, and have beaten them comfortably in their last meetings. Sparta also ridiculed my TIK bet a few days ago with a sensational away win in Trondheim. Should be a rather comfortable home win. Stavangers biggest flaw is their apparent need to play 4 against 5 all the time.... Great value in Globets 1.94, the others have 1.85-ish.

[Stigma]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -3.74

stigma 4/5 +2.68

"
Stigma 4/5 +1.73
"

5/6?...tsk tsk ...;)

Following Tor's Hocky bet tonight..

[Tor]

Sparta 5-2 Stavanger

[bunghole]

Based on the confidence of others on the Goldmine and Betting Thread, surely Palace @ $5.75 into 'Boro @ $2.80 for a return of $16.10 warrants inclusion in the Value Shop.

Even Palace @ $5.75 into 'Boro DNB @ $2.13 for a return of $12.24 represents huge value.

Not an official 'entry' for the Value Shop, just a suggestion, but what a profitable weekend it will be if it lobs. :lux:

[Madden]

Originally posted by Tor
Sparta 5-2 Stavanger

Nice tip Tor :p

[Madden]

I Fancy Burnley to grab a draw at QPR.
Rangers are in good form at home but Burnley are the draw specialist with 9 from 15 games so far.
They had a setback at home to Derby last week but redeemed themselves with a great win over Villa in the League cup in midweek.
With recent draws on the road at Wigan, Reading, Ipswich and Leicester they look value at 4.5. (skybet)
Maybe worth under 2.5 goals as well.

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Not an entry for the value shop as yet but just to mark your card. if you can find Graham Dott to win the Britsh Open snooker at anything over 66/1 I suggest a small each way.

In the form of his life, only lost to a certain Mr O'Sullivan in the last 2 major tournaments, he is in the good half of the draw and will have his biggest challenges early in the tournament. If he gets through them the draw will be as wide open as Abi Titmus' legs.

Doesn't start till Nov 6th so plenty of time for shopping.

[bunghole]

Originally posted by bunghole
Cedar Manor @ $4.50 - AAMI Victoria Derby.

My horse racing tips are improving.

This camel ran 2nd last. :o :D :lux: :hi:

[bunghole]

Originally posted by bunghole
Based on the confidence of others on the Goldmine and Betting Thread, surely Palace @ $5.75 into 'Boro @ $2.80 for a return of $16.10 warrants inclusion in the Value Shop.

Even Palace @ $5.75 into 'Boro DNB @ $2.13 for a return of $12.24 represents huge value.

Not an official 'entry' for the Value Shop, just a suggestion, but what a profitable weekend it will be if it lobs. :lux:

Anybody? :eek: :lux: :D

[Stigma]

Good value bet tonight in the Spanish Primera Liga:
ATHLETIC BILBAO v BARCELONA Head To Head
Win ATHLETIC BILBAO 4.00 with Centrebet

Bilbao a strong home side, they have for example already beaten Real Madrid here this season. Barca with an excellent run in the league, but I've got a feeling that they'll stumble tonight..They lost in the cup to minnows on Wednesday and also lost to Milan in the CH recently.
Odds of 4 on Bilbao at home should be played..

[Stigma]

1-1 FT, close but no sigar..

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -3.74

stigma 5/6 +2.68
bunghole 1/3 +2.5
JCM 3/7 +1.95
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 3/5 +0.03
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

Going todo a few more tables to get this up to date.

This is right, up to stigma's Lazio bet.

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -2.8

stigma 5/6 +2.68
bunghole 1/3 +2.5
JCM 3/7 +1.95
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 4/6 +0.97
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5

Includes Tor's hockey bet

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by bunghole
Based on the confidence of others on the Goldmine and Betting Thread, surely Palace @ $5.75 into 'Boro @ $2.80 for a return of $16.10 warrants inclusion in the Value Shop.

Even Palace @ $5.75 into 'Boro DNB @ $2.13 for a return of $12.24 represents huge value.

Not an official 'entry' for the Value Shop, just a suggestion, but what a profitable weekend it will be if it lobs. :lux:

Outstanding tip but shame it wasn't officially listed.

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Outstanding tip but shame it wasn't officially listed.

But it WAS officially backed. ;) :D :lux:

[ozeagle]

epic

[ozeagle]

and the mrs. ?

[bunghole]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Outstanding tip but shame it wasn't officially listed.

Why not add it to the overall total, but not mine? Afterall, it came about directly from tips on the Betting Thread and the Goldmine, so there was enough 'validation' for people to have something on it. :)

[bunghole]

Originally posted by ozeagle
and the mrs. ?

Show was crap - Mrs not happy. Even less happy when I logged onto the BBS for an hour when we got home to see how Palace went instead of giving her a 'birthday present'. ;) :o

Last seen storming off to bed, joined by yours truly at 6.30am after the League test. :D :lux:

Absoultely ropable last night when she saw I'd put 1K into the TAB account for Cup Day. Calmed down a bit when I reminded her of the fact that I handed over all (well almost all ;) :D ) of my winnings from Port in the AFL and will do so (again almost all ;) :D ) if I happen to flum a result tomorrow.

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by bunghole
Why not add it to the overall total, but not mine? Afterall, it came about directly from tips on the Betting Thread and the Goldmine, so there was enough 'validation' for people to have something on it. :)

I know what you mean but then it's sort of cheating and makes the things worthless.

Have the power of your convictions in future!!!

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by bunghole
Show was crap - Mrs not happy. Even less happy when I logged onto the BBS for an hour when we got home to see how Palace went instead of giving her a 'birthday present'. ;) :o



Classic!!! :p :p

surely it was DOUBLE birthday present once you saw Palace had won!

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -6.8

JCM 3/7 +1.95
stigma 5/7 +1.68
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 4/6 +0.97
bunghole 1/5 +0.5
Madden 0/1 -1
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/5 -5


I think that makes things right up to date

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -7.8

JCM 3/7 +1.95
stigma 5/7 +1.68
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 4/6 +0.97
bunghole 1/5 +0.5
Madden 0/1 -1
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/6 -6

Even worse thanks to the moron Americans!!! :rolleyes:

[Duke]

Grim if you want a bit of value then look at the Heineken Cup

Castres are 66/1 with Skybet - biggest price elsewhere is 40's but go as low as 25s.

not saying they will win but they stand a good chance of getting to the last 8 - so I'm told - you could then always lay it off - or maybe its worth a punt for a couple of quid...

[Stigma]

Surely there's some value in this bet tonight:
English Premiership CRYSTAL PALACE v ARSENAL Head To Head
Win ARSENAL 1.42

I mean we've got one of the weakest teams in the Premiership. Playing against the illustrious Arse, who have a point to prove.
I simply can't see us getting anything here. We were for example outplayed by Chelsea earlier this season, in a game were they had full control all game.

2 points on the away win..

(I sooooo hope I'm wrong)

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

:)

Glad you lost Stigma ;)

[bunghole]

Food for thought for those who feel inclined to bet against Palace. If you had bet against Palace, level stakes, in every game this season, you'd be LOSING. :) :lux:

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Right not much value around fro the 1st round matches at the British Open snooker, but this one stands out

Mark Selby 1.83 to beat Mark King (Bluesquare)

Selby a good developing player recovering after a bad season last year (2nd season syndrome IMO) against unpredictable King.
Selby looked back on form and reached the quarter finals of the Grand prix, beating decent players in Leo Fernandez and Peter Ebdon whilst King was on the wrong end of a 5-0 thumping from Joe Jogia (29 year old ranked somewhere in the 200's)

this is 1.6/1.7 everywhere else so 1.83 is definate value.

[daz_eagle]

Rangers 6/4 (possibly bigger in places) to beat Celtic AT HOME in the cup tonight (Wednesday). Celtic are clearly not the threat they once were without larsson, and Rangers are in good form. This is huge surely.

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -9.8

JCM 3/7 +1.95
pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 4/6 +0.97
bunghole 1/5 +0.5
stigma 5/8 -0.32
Madden 0/1 -1
Finbar 0/1 -1
Dady Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/6 -6



Stigma's two pointer goes

D
O
W
N!!

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

so does my 1 pointer, falling down the table heading towards Grim territory. :D

[Jim Cannons Moustache]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
Not an entry for the value shop as yet but just to mark your card. if you can find Graham Dott to win the Britsh Open snooker at anything over 66/1 I suggest a small each way.

In the form of his life, only lost to a certain Mr O'Sullivan in the last 2 major tournaments, he is in the good half of the draw and will have his biggest challenges early in the tournament. If he gets through them the draw will be as wide open as Abi Titmus' legs.

Doesn't start till Nov 6th so plenty of time for shopping.

just taken 80/1 on this. very small nibble, barely a nibble, more of a lick.

[oz_da II]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
VALUE SHOP

SHOP TOTAL - -9.8



Time for a name change for this thread? :eek:

[Grim Reaper]

Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
so does my 1 pointer, falling down the table heading towards Grim territory. :D

A place you don't want to go!!! :eek:

[Grim Reaper]

VALUE SHOP - TOP SHOPPERS

SHOP TOTAL - -10.8

pauldrulez 1/1 +1.10
Tor 4/6 +0.97
JCM 3/8 +0.95
bunghole 1/5 +0.5
stigma 5/8 -0.32
Madden 0/1 -1
Finbar 0/1 -1
Daddy Long 0/1 -1
LLCOOL - 0/2 -2
si1965 - 0/2 -2
citizen 0/3 -3
ozeagle - 0/3 -3
Grim 0/6 -6