Beattie - We need to let Smith/Jordan know we dont want him! [Archive]

tjmill

30-08-2000, 03:31 PM

I am pretty sure that Jordan/Smith read the BBS, so I think we need to let them know we dont want to waste our money on Beattie - a Southamtpon RESERVE!
If we have 3 mill buy Bent back - look at him at Sheff Utd - every wk he seems to score a Hat trick!

Whatever it takes we need to stop smith buying Beattie? Agree?

Harry Holmesdale

30-08-2000, 03:41 PM

No.

I happen to think James Beattie would be near on the perfect foil for Clinton, big strong young centre forward, but not worth more than 2M, me thinks Southampton know we're a bit flush and are trying it on.

Watch this space, Tmjwat may have a scoop on!!

James Verrinder

30-08-2000, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by tjmill:
Agree?

Not really. £3 million is probably double what he's worth but we desperately need someone like him for other players to feed. We have players like Black, Rodger, Gray and Carlisle who can cross a ball with pinpoint accuracy but there is never anyone there to win it. We need a player who is quite happy with his back to goal to hold things up, this would also mean that Morrison could concentrate on being purely a finisher (as mentioned somewhere else, he has been far more effective when playing alongside a Bradbury or Svennson)

Also, calling Beattie a reserve is a bit harsh, he's only 22 and was their player of the year the season before last. He missed most of last season through injury and is only just making his way back into the side.

His goal scoring record is really bad I have to say but so was Shipperley's when he was at the Dell. I think he would create far more goals than he scores but like I said earlier, £3m is too much

Matty

30-08-2000, 03:45 PM

But (see postings about a month ago), I think we do. He's a very good young player, good strength, eye for goal etc.

From our earlier discussions though, I got the impression he was likely to be out of contract (although I suppose the Bosman ruling doesn't apply because he's under 24?)

Bent's price has no doubt just gone up, given the form he's in. The truth is, we should never have sold him, especially at such a knock down price. Good old El Tel, shrewd judge of a player.

And I'd certainly rather have Beattie than Shipperly.

James TaylorNye

30-08-2000, 03:45 PM

I've never seen Beattie but I must agree we need a 'big boy in the box' to give Clinton some supply.

RUSHEMMMM!

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Matty

30-08-2000, 03:46 PM

I should add I saw Beattie in an England under 21 game a year or so back and he was exceptional.

Neil MacQueen

30-08-2000, 03:49 PM

I agree with Matty here, i think he's a great talent, he sets up loads of goals.

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James TaylorNye

30-08-2000, 03:50 PM

Looks like your on your tod tjmill!

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eagle mart

30-08-2000, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Glazier:
I think Glenn Hoddle is a fair judge of a player. If Beattie is not in the first team there must be a good reason.

His 5 goals from 57 appearances says it all really. A fair strike rate in that number would surely be 20/25.

I would say Glen Hoddles knows **** all. But Beattie did play and get at least one assist.

Al From Bromley

30-08-2000, 05:20 PM

Didnt he also score against us a couple of seasons ago?

A target man is a must if we are to be more creative in front of goal. Whether its Beattie, Shipps, whoever, we need that option.

Dillenger

30-08-2000, 05:24 PM

If we're going to spend a fair bit on a striker I reckon it should be Barry Hayles.

He's got pace, good off-the-ball, works hard, scores goals, and can beat defenders.

I could see him and Clinton forming a deadly combination.

eagle mart

30-08-2000, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by eagle mart:

I would say Glen Hoddles knows **** all. But Beattie did play and get at least one assist versus Liverpool.

bald-eagle

30-08-2000, 06:03 PM

Dillenger....Barry Hayles of Fulham? We couldn't afford his wages....and why would he want to leave anyway, fulham are looking good for a promotion challenge?

The Palace Starlett

30-08-2000, 06:26 PM

Barry Hayles is too much of a lump. He's not fast and his goals so far this season have been lucky. Beattie also looks like a bit of a donkey, as does Alun Armstrong. Are we unable to c past the sh*te of the Premier league reserves ( minus Hayles)!!!

winners

30-08-2000, 06:27 PM

Ive heard, from a Soton supporting mate, that Beattie will be the nuts in a couple of years, and aparently came on v Liverpool, and was instrumental in changing the course of the game, and won every header!, Whom-ever we seem to be interested in, some are happy, some aren't - thats life!

winners

30-08-2000, 06:28 PM

Eagles Fan

30-08-2000, 06:42 PM

I think Beattie would be a good signing that would strengthen our squad. We need a target man and that's what he is. However he still is only 22 and still has his best years to come. Recently, he has not been scoring as many as he could and I agree he is NOT worth anywhere near £2 or £3million. But a change of club and management does tend to bring the best out of players. With Forssell struggling to find his form, McKenzie being simply sh*t and Morrison not exactly on form and very injury-prone, who else have we got?

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Matty

30-08-2000, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Glazier:
I think Glenn Hoddle is a fair judge of a player.

???
Marginally better than Kevin Keegan maybe.

Frankly £2m or even £3m for an English player in, or (seeing as they are kept out by foreigners in the premiership) is nothing.

The guy is young, has premiership experience (would have more if he hadn't been injured last season), played England under 21. Given some of the comparable transfers recently, it's a steal, so long as we have the money. For heaven's sake, even Herman went for £4m.

Matty

30-08-2000, 07:22 PM

Or even compare to the "value" of Emile Heskey. An "up and coming" striker of similar age.

Eagle

30-08-2000, 07:28 PM

I think Beattie would be a good signing for us and would be the perfect foil for the likes of Clinton and Mikael.
I feel some people are judging Beattie on his goals ratio and not his performances, ok he might not have scored many but he sure has set plenty up for his fellow strikers.
Also, i remember what people said when we signed Ruddock and Pollock, i think they've all been proved wrong, don't you?

Laurie

30-08-2000, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Eagle:

Also, i remember what people said when we signed Ruddock and Pollock, i think they've all been proved wrong, don't you?

NO

Zico Murphy

30-08-2000, 08:11 PM

Six months ago who would have thought we would be discussing if to spend 3 million pound on a player? If Beattie is the right player for us or not it's so nice to see some ambition. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Maxwell Eagle

30-08-2000, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Laurie:
NO

yes

ckaupang

30-08-2000, 08:35 PM

i cant remember having seen beattie play, but he certainly seems to be the type of player we need. he is overpriced, but thats how the market for english players is. i think we should take the chance (at least for 2M).

and i agree about needing depth in the squad and competition for places.

Eagle

30-08-2000, 08:44 PM

I'm sorry Laurie, but i really can't see what games you have been watching to say Ruddock hasn't been a good signing for us, you certainly haven't been watching Palace.
Ruddock won us our last 2 out 3 matches and i'm sure if he had played the whole 90 on Monday we wouldn't of lost that game.

Goldberg Basher

30-08-2000, 09:19 PM

Saw Beattie score a wonder goal in a live game season before last. I think if we're gonna get anyone get someone with some height like Kevin Francis.

BIG LETTER!

30-08-2000, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by Goldberg Basher:
Saw Beattie score a wonder goal in a live game season before last. I think if we're gonna get anyone get someone with some height like Kevin Francis.

But if you do read these boards Mr Jordan, we'd like somebody with some actual talent aswell please. Ta.

John C

30-08-2000, 09:59 PM

I cannot understand why Bent's name has appeared all the time. Yes he his bloody good and the type of player that we need. However, does he really want to go to another Div 1 team, especially the one that sold him to Port Vale. If he did come he could end up a problem due to his Premier desire.

Lets get Svenson back. He will always be on the side lines at Charlton.

Al From Bromley

30-08-2000, 10:07 PM

Wayne Allison as suggested in several places? £250k?

Zico Murphy

30-08-2000, 10:17 PM

The story I heard about Svensson was that he wanted a move away from Palace therefore demanded to be paid all money owed to him,knowing that we couldn't pay and leaving us no option to sell him at a reduced price or risk him leaving on a free.After that and the way he celebrated when Charlton beat us last year he's one player I wouldn't want back.

Basingstoke Eagle

30-08-2000, 10:18 PM

So Beattie isnt worth £3m??...He would be to us.Lets face it,weve been really lucky,weve brought some players in for peanuts & while the panel's still out on Harrison the rest have been improvements on what we had.So now the time has come to get a striker that might win the odd ball in the air & there dont seem to be many around that fit the criteria & are available.Beattie isnt the finished article but he wins things in the air,is physical & is young enough to be around & improving in a few years time.I think he'd be a magic buy & although we may have to pay above the odds to get him it may work out money well spent,& lets face it,weve been lucky so far.

Ean

31-08-2000, 12:18 AM

All the Saints fans I know, and thats quite a lot! (Living in Southampton and all)
Don't want to see him go as he has a lot of potential.

Still agree though about the price being a little steep.

Pete B

31-08-2000, 03:24 AM

When Shipperley signed for us his goal ratio at Southampton/Chelsea was very similar. My opinion of Beattie is only formed from two or three England U21 games and I liked what I saw. I don't necessarily think we need someone who is going to score 20 goals a season, just someone who can help Clinton get 25. At the moment he is lost and clearly cannot form any sort of partnership with Forsell, who I believe is more of an attacking midfielder than a striker.

£3m is probably the going rate at the moment for someone of his potential - if we have the money, I would take the plunge. However, it may be worth hanging on a bit because Southampton are desperate for cash.

Scoot

31-08-2000, 04:16 AM

My Saint supporting mate rates him.
When he signed from Blackburm he stormed the place and yes he did win young player of the year.
I believe that he would be perfect for not only Clint but also Mikeal (who couldn't jump on a bus!).

P.S.. Sorry JTN but I also think we Should sign Harrison.... give him time to settle and get fit!

Glazier

31-08-2000, 04:18 AM

I think Glenn Hoddle is a fair judge of a player. If Beattie is not in the first team there must be a good reason.

His 5 goals from 57 appearances says it all really. A fair strike rate in that number would surely be 20/25.

SE .Kent

31-08-2000, 04:23 AM

3 million is far too much for him ,Southampton are trying it on - save your money Simon , next time offer lower initially?

James TaylorNye

31-08-2000, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by Scoot:

P.S.. Sorry JTN but I also think we Should sign Harrison.... give him time to settle and get fit!

I hope your talking about George,
In my view a much underrated member of the fab 4, never given the credit he was due. Loved the Traveling Wilberries!

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Paul Romain

31-08-2000, 04:58 AM

I would welcome the signing if for no other reason than the desperate need to increase the strength of the squad. We need people outside of the first choice eleven who can put pressure on them as well covering for injuries and suspensions (which we're likely to have quite a few of soon!) Clinton needs to be looking over his shoulder a bit for a start. Even with half a dozen new players coming in look at the subs bench - where are the striking options apart from Leon?

Fat Andy

01-09-2000, 04:41 AM

Beattie would be a great buy,3 million might be a lot but for someone who has played for England U-21's and in the premier league it's the going rate.

Craig Bellamy for 6.5 million and no premiership experience says it all !!

Gerry from Sussex

01-09-2000, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by James Verrinder:
His goal scoring record is really bad I have to say but so was Shipperley's when he was at the Dell. I think he would create far more goals than he scores but like I said earlier, £3m is too much

Good point. I said something similar when we signed Shipperley. He, like Beattie, was playing in a poor side and his record was not too bad given the service he received. Subsequent form has shown that - given adequate chances - he will score on a fairly regular basis. Maybe Beattie would be the same although I agree that the asking price is far too high for a maybe. If we spend that much it has to be on someone with a proven record and in good CURRENT form. Step forward Marcus Bent!!