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Funk Butter
07-06-2006, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Phil Gordon's a pretty shrewd businessman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Gordon), I guess he doesn't want to limit his options.
He wasn't so shrewd when he was back at Georgia Tech, made some really bad decisions. But he's right about the WPT, they are on the verge of completely killing the golden goose. They have been pissing off sponsors, players and casinos lately.

David Amsalem
07-06-2006, 11:07 PM
Dunno if you lot have or not but if you're registered with Laddies, they are offering $25 if you make a profile with a picture or $15 for just the profile.

DANCOO
07-06-2006, 11:34 PM
Channel 5 now - Tomas Brolin playing poker:lux:

DANCOO
07-06-2006, 11:35 PM
He just hit trip 8's :D

Billyd
07-06-2006, 11:53 PM
played a cash game today lost alot of money on aces and kings :(

oz_da II
08-06-2006, 03:27 AM
Glad I don't live in Washington State. :eek:

Today, a new law goes into effect in the state of Washington. This law makes playing online poker a Class C felony, with penalties that include five-year jail sentences and a $10,000 fine. These penalties are similar to the state's laws on child molestation. According to a recent Seattle-Post Intelligencer article, Washington's head of the state Gambling Commission believes it is unlikely that individual online gamblers will be targeted for arrest.

Bunch of clowns, not sure how or if it will be enforced.
Waste of time and ridiculous.

DANCOO
11-06-2006, 07:39 PM
Can someone tell me how doing 'deals' online works?

I've not yet been asked to do a deal, and I don't know whether or not would, but I've seen people speak about offering deals to the other player when heads-up.

Example : In the chat section one player was speaking to another about a tourney he was in. It was heads-up, and the player who was speaking was leading about 200,000 to 160,000 (very roughly). The prizes for first and second were $9,000 and $6,000, so the player who was leading offered the other one a deal of an $8,000 to $7,000 split.

The player behind declined the deal, and he eventually went on to lose.

Anyway, I'm sure these deals happen all the time, but how are they enforced?

It's all very well agreeing, but how can you make sure the other person pays up (and vice-versa)?

Do you just play to a finish, and whoever actually wins is the one responsible for splitting his share of the cash, or do you play out to let the leader win?

Is the conversation saved and then Ladbrokes split the prize?

Anyone?

PoolKing
11-06-2006, 07:46 PM
I haven't seen this too often in online poker but in one tournament I was involved in I saw 2 players trying to sort out a deal but a moderator informed everyone that deals are not allowed on the poker network that I play on.

I think were a deal to be struck then play would carry on as normal and is a matter of trust between the parties concerned. I suppose you could save a copy of the screen showing a deal being agreed but it would depend on the poker room's policy as to whether they enforce the deal or not.

DANCOO
11-06-2006, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I haven't seen this too often in online poker but in one tournament I was involved in I saw 2 players trying to sort out a deal but a moderator informed everyone that deals are not allowed on the poker network that I play on.

I think were a deal to be struck then play would carry on as normal and is a matter of trust between the parties concerned. I suppose you could save a copy of the screen showing a deal being agreed but it would depend on the poker room's policy as to whether they enforce the deal or not.

OK, cheers.

Not sure how much I would trust someone I didn't know to pay me up to $1,000+ on a deal being struck.

Funk Butter
12-06-2006, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Can someone tell me how doing 'deals' online works?

I've not yet been asked to do a deal, and I don't know whether or not would, but I've seen people speak about offering deals to the other player when heads-up.

Example : In the chat section one player was speaking to another about a tourney he was in. It was heads-up, and the player who was speaking was leading about 200,000 to 160,000 (very roughly). The prizes for first and second were $9,000 and $6,000, so the player who was leading offered the other one a deal of an $8,000 to $7,000 split.

The player behind declined the deal, and he eventually went on to lose.

Anyway, I'm sure these deals happen all the time, but how are they enforced?

It's all very well agreeing, but how can you make sure the other person pays up (and vice-versa)?

Do you just play to a finish, and whoever actually wins is the one responsible for splitting his share of the cash, or do you play out to let the leader win?

Is the conversation saved and then Ladbrokes split the prize?

Anyone?
This is commonplace on the big tourneys at Pokerstars. The million dollar tourney on Sundays always have deals once it gets down to 3 or 4 people. A moderator will give a breakdown of the possible prize money based on chip counts. They always leave at least $20k to play for for the winner.

saul1664
12-06-2006, 10:38 AM
Could be seen as collusion and players involved could end up with nothing! Best to check your particular site rules. Still if I was heads up and 2nd place was 7K I probably wouldn't be complaining too much

DANCOO
12-06-2006, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
This is commonplace on the big tourneys at Pokerstars. The million dollar tourney on Sundays always have deals once it gets down to 3 or 4 people. A moderator will give a breakdown of the possible prize money based on chip counts. They always leave at least $20k to play for for the winner.

How do you know though that there's a moderator there.
If someone claims to be one, how do you know they are one etc...?

Funk Butter
12-06-2006, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
How do you know though that there's a moderator there.
If someone claims to be one, how do you know they are one etc...?
There is always a "floor manager", whose chat name is a different color from the regular chat messages. Also, observer chat is banned at the final table of big tourneys at PokerStars. And a player at the table wouldn't have the power to stop the tournament at any moment to discuss terms of a deal.

DANCOO
12-06-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
There is always a "floor manager", whose chat name is a different color from the regular chat messages. Also, observer chat is banned at the final table of big tourneys at PokerStars. And a player at the table wouldn't have the power to stop the tournament at any moment to discuss terms of a deal.

OK, cool:p

saul1664
13-06-2006, 11:43 AM
How does everybody play end of tournaments, thought it was a weak area of my game, but feel I have improved lately, managing to win my first tournament about a month ago and being in the prize money more often than not. I tend to be aggressive in the latter parts of the tournament, often going all in with ak aa kk aq aj a10.

I'm 9 out of 13 sitting in a tournament, hit A10, big stack has 55K, I have 7. It's a short handed table (6 players per table tournament), enough blinds to steal (blinds are 1000/500), everyone folds apart from one player who calls me all-in. Turns over 88, hit A on flop, turn nothing, river 8 :rolleyes: so I bust out in 12th, in the money but not a great deal compared to finishing top 6 where the prize structure does rise a lot.

Now if I had raised say 3 x BB (which would have been half my stack when the A came on the flop), would that be more likely to cause a fold. Only consolation about that hand is that his trips would have beaten everythin anyway apart from AA. How would everybody else have played that hand?

Saul

Strathclyde Eagle
13-06-2006, 12:32 PM
I think you played that correctly myself.

KevTheOptimist
13-06-2006, 12:54 PM
I think if you raise, he will not fold his 88 against such a small stack and probably fanices his coin flip. Either way you are all in so I don't see a problem with your play

Micky Droy
13-06-2006, 01:26 PM
Sometimes you can play a semi short stack with a delayed all in move. So you bet a bit more than is in the pot, or else about half your stack, whichever is bigger, and you say to yourself you are going all in whatever the flop is. Sometimes if the flop has overcards to your opponent's middle pair they will fold. Sometimes of course they will hit, but you were effectively going all in before the flop, just using the flop to give your opponent a further chance to fold, and allow you to represent.

However, with him on 55k and you on 7k he would probably guard against this by puttin gyou all in, knowing you were basically pot committed once you made a bet.

7 against 55 you just have to make those plays and hope to double up twice to be back in it. So you did nothing wrong.

DANCOO
13-06-2006, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Sometimes you can play a semi short stack with a delayed all in move. So you bet a bit more than is in the pot, or else about half your stack, whichever is bigger, and you say to yourself you are going all in whatever the flop is. Sometimes if the flop has overcards to your opponent's middle pair they will fold. Sometimes of course they will hit, but you were effectively going all in before the flop, just using the flop to give your opponent a further chance to fold, and allow you to represent.


I may try that.

I've gone out of my last seven/eight tournaments going all-in preflop with the best hand (usually me going all-in and the other player calling).
Although most of the the time I had only been a slight favourite - last night it was my QQ v AK, although I called an all-in re-raise after my initial raise - a K hit the turn.

I can see the advantage of what you have said M_D, and I have often thought 'If only I waited until after the flop to go all-in, he would never have called with what he had'.

I haven't been playing a huge amount recently, maybe a $25 or $50 tourney once every two days, with a couple of satellites thrown in aswell.
It's all very well saying 'Be satisfied that you got all your chips in with the best hand', well that's all very well and good if I win some of them from time to time, but recently I've been getting outdrawn time after time after time, and it's starting to get a little frustrating (this is not me bitching about bad beats as I haven't been such a massive favourite in these hands that they could be considered bad beats, just hoping writing it down may help my analysis).

saul1664
13-06-2006, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Sometimes you can play a semi short stack with a delayed all in move. So you bet a bit more than is in the pot, or else about half your stack, whichever is bigger, and you say to yourself you are going all in whatever the flop is. Sometimes if the flop has overcards to your opponent's middle pair they will fold. Sometimes of course they will hit, but you were effectively going all in before the flop, just using the flop to give your opponent a further chance to fold, and allow you to represent.

However, with him on 55k and you on 7k he would probably guard against this by puttin gyou all in, knowing you were basically pot committed once you made a bet.

7 against 55 you just have to make those plays and hope to double up twice to be back in it. So you did nothing wrong.

Slight confusion, chip leader had 55K, folded when I went all-in, and was called with 88 by somene with same stack as me. Advice still sound though, big problem was chip leader on my table kept raising 2-3 K most hands (he could afford to), so sooner or later had to improve my stack. I may have waited a bit longer if it had been 10 to a table, but with 6 in play thought it was a fairy good hand to go to war with.

saul1664
13-06-2006, 03:15 PM
Here's another situation, small stakes table. Have 10d and another card, flop comes diamond diamond diamond (hit top pair). Bet appropriately, am matched to my calls, turn diamond (none above 10, so now have flush), again increase bet, again matched, river comes (guess what comes - diamond and diamond is Jack). So what is on the community cards is now the best flush (not taking into account I hold the 10). Check the river, get big raise over the top, so I fold the hand and lose the pot. Wondering if it was the right thing to do. Would have been dominated by QKA diamond, couldn't get a tell if it was a bluff or not, or if they saw me as weak with the check on the river. What would you do in this situation?

KevTheOptimist
13-06-2006, 04:01 PM
Honestly? I'd unistall that poker program and try another one that doesn't give crap flopw and rivers.

Funk Butter
13-06-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Here's another situation, small stakes table. Have 10d and another card, flop comes diamond diamond diamond (hit top pair). Bet appropriately, am matched to my calls, turn diamond (none above 10, so now have flush), again increase bet, again matched, river comes (guess what comes - diamond and diamond is Jack). So what is on the community cards is now the best flush (not taking into account I hold the 10). Check the river, get big raise over the top, so I fold the hand and lose the pot. Wondering if it was the right thing to do. Would have been dominated by QKA diamond, couldn't get a tell if it was a bluff or not, or if they saw me as weak with the check on the river. What would you do in this situation?
I think the reason they are just calling is that they have you beat. The chances are pretty good that the person had one of the 3 diamonds to beat you.

Funk Butter
13-06-2006, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
How does everybody play end of tournaments, thought it was a weak area of my game, but feel I have improved lately, managing to win my first tournament about a month ago and being in the prize money more often than not. I tend to be aggressive in the latter parts of the tournament, often going all in with ak aa kk aq aj a10.

I'm 9 out of 13 sitting in a tournament, hit A10, big stack has 55K, I have 7. It's a short handed table (6 players per table tournament), enough blinds to steal (blinds are 1000/500), everyone folds apart from one player who calls me all-in. Turns over 88, hit A on flop, turn nothing, river 8 :rolleyes: so I bust out in 12th, in the money but not a great deal compared to finishing top 6 where the prize structure does rise a lot.

Now if I had raised say 3 x BB (which would have been half my stack when the A came on the flop), would that be more likely to cause a fold. Only consolation about that hand is that his trips would have beaten everythin anyway apart from AA. How would everybody else have played that hand?

Saul
I think here, regardless you were going all-in preflop. The 88 would probably raise all-in anyway. If the big stack was the one with 88, he probably would have raised too. No way to get away from that hand.

saul1664
13-06-2006, 04:57 PM
Wasn't necessarily a question about how I played my hand, also want to know how people here play end stage of tournments?

Billyd
13-06-2006, 05:08 PM
i wait for a big hand pre flop and go all in but depends on chips

saul1664
13-06-2006, 05:18 PM
You don't really get that option on a 6 player table unfortunately.

Funk Butter
13-06-2006, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Wasn't necessarily a question about how I played my hand, also want to know how people here play end stage of tournments?
I usually push hard. By that time, the blinds are so big that you can't afford to wait around. If I'm big stack I lean heavy on the small stacks with a wide variety of hands. If I'm a smaller stack I try to raise my hands in relation to position. Early position-big hand, late position-middling hand. (well, duh) At some point, you just have to take a risk on the small stack. You can't get blinded off.

Billyd
13-06-2006, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
You don't really get that option on a 6 player table unfortunately.

if im short stacked, then any ace and all in or low pocket pair. (And obviously the premium hands)

DANCOO
13-06-2006, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Wasn't necessarily a question about how I played my hand, also want to know how people here play end stage of tournments?

I tighten up when very close to the money (the opposite of what a lot of pros would suggest, but it's whatever you find works for you). Once in the money a lot of players loosen up a lot and you'll see players dropping out at quite an alarming rate - this is where I pick my moments very carefully to make moves, and having a solid table image helps me make a lot of steals. I change my strategy a lot throughout the closing stages, and try never to show a hand unless I go all-in, where I will usually have a strong hand anyway.

I've learned quite a lot about how to play final tables the last few months.

I was on a final table the day before yesterday and was holding QQ UTG. I bet 3 x BB, the next player raised another x 3, everyone folded and it came around to me.
Last year I would have put him all-in without blinking, but this time (without knowing the player), I tried to figure what he might have.
AK he would have just called or put me all-in.
He wasn't trying to steal the pot with a lower pair as the bet was easy for me to call (even JJ he would have called considering my early position raise).
He had to be on AA or KK, so I just called him.
Flop comes AKJ.
I check, he bets 3 x BB.
Before I fold, I tell him I have QQ (hoping he will reveal his cards), and sure enough he does reveal.
He's holding AA, and the flop gave him trip A's.
I didn't last too much longer in that tourney, but the fact I only called the raise holding QQ and not put him all-in gave me a huge amount of satisfaction.
Well done me:D

Funk Butter
13-06-2006, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I tighten up when very close to the money (the opposite of what a lot of pros would suggest, but it's whatever you find works for you). Once in the money a lot of players loosen up a lot and you'll see players dropping out at quite an alarming rate - this is where I pick my moments very carefully to make moves, and having a solid table image helps me make a lot of steals. I change my strategy a lot throughout the closing stages, and try never to show a hand unless I go all-in, where I will usually have a strong hand anyway.

I've learned quite a lot about how to play final tables the last few months.

I was on a final table the day before yesterday and was holding QQ UTG. I bet 3 x BB, the next player raised another x 3, everyone folded and it came around to me.
Last year I would have put him all-in without blinking, but this time (without knowing the player), I tried to figure what he might have.
AK he would have just called or put me all-in.
He wasn't trying to steal the pot with a lower pair as the bet was easy for me to call (even JJ he would have called considering my early position raise).
He had to be on AA or KK, so I just called him.
Flop comes AKJ.
I check, he bets 3 x BB.
Before I fold, I tell him I have QQ (hoping he will reveal his cards), and sure enough he does reveal.
He's holding AA, and the flop gave him trip A's.
I didn't last too much longer in that tourney, but the fact I only called the raise holding QQ and not put him all-in gave me a huge amount of satisfaction.
Well done me:D
At the WSOP last year, we spent nearly 2 hours getting rid of 9 players in order to get to the money, then after that it was full speed ahead to the pay window as people were dropping like flies.

I tend to do the same thing as described above. With JJ or QQ and facing a reraise, I will often just call. Then play after the flop. If the A comes, I can easily get out if needed. But I can also put the pressure on their AK when neither hits on the flop.

KevTheOptimist
14-06-2006, 04:23 PM
These 3 hands happened on Betfair within about 7 hands of each other. All lost to the same player, can I please ask your advice on whether I am just unlucky or can I play them better?

THis type of stuff happens far too often for my liking

horton: posts small blind US$0.25
DonKevKev: posts big blind US$0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DonKevKev [Qc Ah]
Vin030585: raises to US$1.50
Stagger27: folds
Bagdadaze: folds
Daily: folds
horton: calls US$1.25
DonKevKev: calls US$1
----- FLOP ----- [Ac Jc 4c]
horton: checks
DonKevKev: checks
Vin030585: bets US$3
horton: folds
DonKevKev: calls US$3
----- TURN ----- [Ac Jc 4c][6s]
DonKevKev: checks
Vin030585: bets US$9
DonKevKev: calls US$9
----- RIVER ----- [Ac Jc 4c 6s][7h]
DonKevKev: checks
Vin030585: bets US$11.50
DonKevKev: calls US$11.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Vin030585: shows [5d 3d] (A Straight, Seven high)
DonKevKev: mucks hand [Qc Ah]
Vin030585 collects US$48.95 from Main pot


DonKevKev: posts small blind US$0.25
Vin030585: posts big blind US$0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DonKevKev [3s Qd]
Stagger27: folds
Bagdadaze: calls US$0.50
Daily: folds
horton: folds
DonKevKev: calls US$0.25
Vin030585: checks
----- FLOP ----- [9d Qs 3h]
DonKevKev: bets US$4
Vin030585: raises to US$10
Bagdadaze: folds
DonKevKev: calls US$6
----- TURN ----- [9d Qs 3h][Ad]
DonKevKev: checks
Vin030585: checks
----- RIVER ----- [9d Qs 3h Ad][5s]
DonKevKev: checks
Vin030585: bets US$11
DonKevKev: calls US$11
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Vin030585: shows [Qc As] (Two Pairs, Aces and Queens, Nine high)
DonKevKev: mucks hand [3s Qd]
Vin030585 collects US$41.35 from Main pot


------HAND 1------
Game #2690038074: Hold'em NL (US$0.25/US$0.50) - 2006/06/14 - 16:55:49 (GMT)
Table "Truffle" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Daily (US$18.45 in chips)
Seat 2: horton (US$57.40 in chips)
Seat 3: DonKevKev (US$45.36 in chips)
Seat 4: Vin030585 (US$79.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Stagger27 (US$43.65 in chips)
Vin030585: posts small blind US$0.25
Stagger27: posts big blind US$0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to DonKevKev [Jc Ks]
Daily: folds
horton: folds
horton sits out
DonKevKev: calls US$0.50
RoyalX91 joins the table at seat #6
Vin030585: calls US$0.25
Stagger27: checks
----- FLOP ----- [Kc Td 6c]
Vin030585: checks
Stagger27: checks
DonKevKev: bets US$2
Vin030585: calls US$2
Stagger27: calls US$2
----- TURN ----- [Kc Td 6c][3d]
Vin030585: checks
Stagger27: checks
Pyke9 joins the table at seat #2
DonKevKev: bets US$7.15
Vin030585: calls US$7.15
Stagger27: folds
----- RIVER ----- [Kc Td 6c 3d][3s]
Vin030585: checks
DonKevKev: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Vin030585: shows [3c 5c] (Three of a kind, Threes, King high)
DonKevKev: mucks hand [Jc Ks]
Vin030585 collects US$20.75 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot US$21.80 Main pot US$20.75 Rake US$1.05
Board [Kc Td 6c 3d 3s]
Seat 1: Daily folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DonKevKev (button) mucked [Jc Ks]
Seat 4: Vin030585 (small blind) showed [3c 5c] and won (US$20.75) with Three of a kind, Threes, King high
Seat 5: Stagger27 (big blind) folded on the Turn

Gav The Hamster
14-06-2006, 05:00 PM
Kev

1st hand - i'd re- raise on the flop for sure. If he calls a bir re-raise then you have to put him on a biggish hand especially with the clubs out. As it is, he wouldnt have called and pot is yours.

2nd hand - unlucky, not much you can do there, you ve bet your hand, he s chased and got lucky.

3rd hand - again unlucky, he s chasing the flush and nothing else and gets lucky to hit his runner, runner. You bet it hard enough, im surprised he's chasing with a hand like that.

If these are all within a few hands of each other then he might have reason to believe your tilting a wee bit, but its only the 1st hand i would have played different.

Billyd
14-06-2006, 10:06 PM
1st hand - needs a bigish re-raise to find out where you are. He can only call with a trips, 2 pair or ace/king or ace/queen. So he would have folded to your raise. Re raising is very good for finding out where you stand in a hand

Billyd
14-06-2006, 10:09 PM
2nd hand - dont play Q-3 in the first place. i dont care if its suited

Billyd
14-06-2006, 10:11 PM
3rd hand - he was lucky to hit. he shouldnt be chasing a flush with such low cards.

Billyd
14-06-2006, 10:12 PM
just to clarify hope im not being to critical but to your credit he was also a very lucky •••••• for those 3 hands

Billyd
14-06-2006, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
At the WSOP last year, we spent nearly 2 hours getting rid of 9 players in order to get to the money, then after that it was full speed ahead to the pay window as people were dropping like flies.


did you make money in wsop? whats your name? i play with a couple of ppl you made the money

KevTheOptimist
14-06-2006, 10:18 PM
Cheers Biilly, to add to that, the first hand I was small blind and had it in my head it was the last hand i was going to play hence just the call. Second hand I was small blind so called the blind with no raise and flopped my two pair.

Billyd
14-06-2006, 10:23 PM
sorry thought there was a riase pre flop 2nd hand. I take it back about the q3, you have gotta think your ahead hitting 2 pair on flop. you were extremely unlucky in which case

Funk Butter
14-06-2006, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
did you make money in wsop? whats your name? i play with a couple of ppl you made the money
Christopher Hamlyn, I finished in 295th. I was at a table with Tex barch on Day 1, wish I would have suggested that we swap 5% with him. Just watching him for a few hours, I could tell that he was gonna go far. He was playing so well.

Strathclyde Eagle
15-06-2006, 01:33 PM
Have to admit last night I ended up getting hooked into one of the Poker shows on Player (Sky channel 123). One of the players was none other than Vanessa Feltz. Car crash TV at its best. :D

In saying that though my second favourite Celebrity Big Brother contestant did at one point turn her starting 100,000 chips into over 400,000 chips (put that down more to the other players, some of whom descended to her level - if Vanessa had made either of two big all-in calls when way ahead she almost certainly would have been heads-up with a commanding chip lead). Unfortunately she didn't start writing anything on the table when things started to go badly. :cool:

On reflection I don't know what was funnier, either, a) Grub Smith getting in references to food in commentary, e.g. "Vanessa has the biggest slice of the pie.", b) Everyone's play being criticed by Michael Greco, or c) Vanessa getting knocked out by a player arguably uglier than her. :eek:

KevTheOptimist
16-06-2006, 04:12 PM
Wicked, just won my first tournement online!! Only a £2 on betfair, 140 entrants - am strolling around smiling like a chehire cat!

Strathclyde Eagle
16-06-2006, 06:42 PM
Nice work Kev. :p

DANCOO
16-06-2006, 10:53 PM
Frustration continues.

One place from the final table on the $6K GTD.

I'm in 11th and in the small blind. Everyone folds round to me and I go all-in holding A8o for around 13,000

I get called by a player with only marginally more chips than me...holding 34o!

I don't need to say what happened next, but it was ridiculous.

I had gone in several times leading up to that, and whenever called I always had an A.

I expect that sort of play in the first five minutes of a $3 re-buy by some muppet being a twat...not one place off a final table, by someone who would have been left with around 1,000 chips with blinds of 2,000/4,000.

Not made the decent money places now for over a month...:grrr:

Billyd
17-06-2006, 12:15 AM
i played a $20 stt 5 players. About 3 hands in i have kk on the big blind, blinds are 10/20 starting chips is 1500. One bloke rasies it 150. everyone folds. i obviously reraise. i decide to reraise to 300, he then rerasies me to 450. I think he may have aces with another resaise. but think •••• it and go all in. He calls and turns over 4-4. Needless to say 4 came down to make his trips

DANCOO
17-06-2006, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Frustration continues.

One place from the final table on the $6K GTD.

I'm in 11th and in the small blind. Everyone folds round to me and I go all-in holding A8o for around 13,000

I get called by a player with only marginally more chips than me...holding 34o!

I don't need to say what happened next, but it was ridiculous.

I had gone in several times leading up to that, and whenever called I always had an A.

I expect that sort of play in the first five minutes of a $3 re-buy by some muppet being a twat...not one place off a final table, by someone who would have been left with around 1,000 chips with blinds of 2,000/4,000.

Not made the decent money places now for over a month...:grrr:

I checked this morning, he went on to win it aswell...muppet.

Gav The Hamster
17-06-2006, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Wicked, just won my first tournement online!! Only a £2 on betfair, 140 entrants - am strolling around smiling like a chehire cat!

:lux:

Top work Kev

saul1664
17-06-2006, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I checked this morning, he went on to win it aswell...muppet.
You do need a big slice of luck to win a tournament somewhere down the line, had 5K, sitting comfortably, got a fairly bad beat, blinds whittle me down to 2K, then get BB of 600, junk, instantly moved to a new table, immediately in BB of 600 again, now have 800, cards 23, hopelessly outpointed now, SB to come, go all in (what choice do i have?), flop 46 one other, turn nothing, river 5, beat 4 all-in hands back up to 6K and finished in the money (albeit with another bad beat).

Tournament I won had nut flush about to take another players chips, disconnected and folds me, he then dominates me in a QQ JJ showdown for me to hit a J on river, never looked back after that!

DANCOO
17-06-2006, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
You do need a big slice of luck to win a tournament somewhere down the line...

Which is fair enough, but calling for nearly all his chips holding 45o, he was trying to muff me, no other answer. He knew he was a fair way behind, why call with 45o one place from the final table...I didn't have a chance to mug him off either as the table joined another one straight away.

saul1664
17-06-2006, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Which is fair enough, but calling for nearly all his chips holding 45o, he was trying to muff me, no other answer. He knew he was a fair way behind, why call with 45o one place from the final table...I didn't have a chance to mug him off either as the table joined another one straight away.

dunno, no way I'd call it, but later on in tournaments, it does tend to turn into a crap shoot, late stage on in a tournament my JJ all-in ran into 88 trips on the river, so people will call anything (not that 88 isn't a good hand - but not exactly the nuts)

Billyd
18-06-2006, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
in BB of 600 again, now have 800, cards 23, hopelessly outpointed now, SB to come, go all in (what choice do i have?), flop 46 one other, turn nothing, river 5, beat 4 all-in hands back up to 6K and finished in the money (albeit with another bad beat).



i recently won a tournament are trebeling up with 7-5. When i got to heads we both had the same amount of chips. But i dont think ive eveer seen such a bad player who somehow managed to get 2nd. He was literially terrible

DANCOO
18-06-2006, 04:29 PM
Can someone tell me where I can find a run down of hand value pre-flop odds?

ie - the necessary pot odds for any two hole cards to make a pre-flop call.

Strathclyde Eagle
18-06-2006, 07:08 PM
I asked that question at another forum recently. Most experienced players said they tended to look for 3/1 to make a call there.

I should add my question was in relation to being the last and only possible person to call someone's all-in in a tournament.

DANCOO
18-06-2006, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I asked that question at another forum recently. Most experienced players said they tended to look for 3/1 to make a call there.

I should add my question was in relation to being the last and only possible person to call someone's all-in in a tournament.

Was that in reply to my question?

What I want to know is, for example, what pot odds do I need to call...KJs.
I hear commentators on TV say things like (after several callers to a raise it comes round to the big blind), 'The pot is offering him 6 to 1, so he has the odds to call.' (As in, he's smaller than 6 to 1 to win ).
Is there a run down of these odds?

Reps AJ
18-06-2006, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Was that in reply to my question?

What I want to know is, for example, what pot odds do I need to call...KJs.
I hear commentators on TV say things like (after several callers to a raise it comes round to the big blind), 'The pot is offering him 6 to 1, so he has the odds to call.' (As in, he's smaller than 6 to 1 to win ).

Aren't they talking generally about the odds of a flush or straight?

DANCOO
18-06-2006, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Aren't they talking generally about the odds of a flush or straight?

I don't know, they might be.

Surely the odds of hitting a flush or a straight would be greater than 7 to 1 holding KJs, yet that is the exact kind of statement they will make.

Funk Butter
18-06-2006, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I don't know, they might be.

Surely the odds of hitting a flush or a straight would be greater than 7 to 1 holding KJs, yet that is the exact kind of statement they will make.
You can go to http://twodimes.net/poker/ and compare hands.

PoolKing
18-06-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Was that in reply to my question?

What I want to know is, for example, what pot odds do I need to call...KJs.
I hear commentators on TV say things like (after several callers to a raise it comes round to the big blind), 'The pot is offering him 6 to 1, so he has the odds to call.' (As in, he's smaller than 6 to 1 to win ).
Is there a run down of these odds?

Doesn't it all depend on that you are likely to be up against? Your odds of winning vary according to what hand(s) you have to beat as opposed to the odds of hitting a flush after the board gives a flush draw, these type of odds would stay the same regardless of your opponents' hands.

Using your example of holding Ks Js with a board of Ts 6s 3c:
if your opponent has one pair then you are around 50/50, unless of course they hold AA, QQ or JJ.
If your opponent holds trips you are only 25% to win.
If he holds two pair then you are 40%.

Of course there are other possibilities of hands and odds but at worse you would expect to in with a 25% chance of winning the hand, i.e you will win it 1 in 4.

Therefore if the pot is 6 times the amount of money it costs you to call then you are getting good pot odds as you are getting 6 to 1 on your cash when in fact you have a greater chance (1 in 4 or better) of winning the hand.

DANCOO
18-06-2006, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Doesn't it all depend on that you are likely to be up against? Your odds of winning vary according to what hand(s) you have to beat as opposed to the odds of hitting a flush after the board gives a flush draw, these type of odds would stay the same regardless of your opponents' hands.

Using your example of holding Ks Js with a board of Ts 6s 3c:
if your opponent has one pair then you are around 50/50, unless of course they hold AA, QQ or JJ.
If your opponent holds trips you are only 25% to win.
If he holds two pair then you are 40%.

Of course there are other possibilities of hands and odds but at worse you would expect to in with a 25% chance of winning the hand, i.e you will win it 1 in 4.

Therefore if the pot is 6 times the amount of money it costs you to call then you are getting good pot odds as you are getting 6 to 1 on your cash when in fact you have a greater chance (1 in 4 or better) of winning the hand.

The example I will give you is the following, which I think was in a tourney I saw the other night :

BB holding KJs.

Someone raise a hand later, gets a couple of callers.

Comes round to the BB.

Commentator says 'He's getting pot odds of around 7 to 1, and he's a bigger favourite than that, so he should call'

Now, the player isn't to know what the others have, so does he just know that generally a hand like that will be a greater favourite than 7 to 1?

Funk Butter
18-06-2006, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
The example I will give you is the following, which I think was in a tourney I saw the other night :

BB holding KJs.

Someone raise a hand later, gets a couple of callers.

Comes round to the BB.

Commentator says 'He's getting pot odds of around 7 to 1, and he's a bigger favourite than that, so he should call'

Now, the player isn't to know what the others have, so does he just know that generally a hand like that will be a greater favourite than 7 to 1?
Well, what's the worst possibility? AA? With KJs, you are still 20% to win. So you are calling 12.5% of a pot you'll win 20% of the time against AA.

DANCOO
18-06-2006, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Well, what's the worst possibility? AA? With KJs, you are still 20% to win. So you are calling 12.5% of a pot you'll win 20% of the time against AA.

Maybe that's what they mean.:)

saul1664
18-06-2006, 11:55 PM
dammit, chip leader for over an hour, then got dominated final table, still looking at 4th or 5th when JA runs into 10K from big chip leader, down to last 20K, call with jack on the board, unfortunately king turns up, 8th and $89, another good finish though

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 12:26 AM
Christ.

Currently on a break in the $50K GTD $100 re-buy.

Final table, 8 players left, there has been NO elimination for over an hour, and a flop hasn't even been seen for a round 40 mins.

I am absolutely f*cking knackered.

Had a couple of beers thinking it wouldn't take too long...mistake.

Chip lead has been changing hands all the time, I've folded AQ to pre-flop all-ins twice in 30 mins.

I'm currently 2nd, was 1st, dropped to 4th, dropped to 5th, up to 2nd, up to 1st, down to second...when's it all gonna end!!!:S:

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 12:31 AM
Oh yeah, we've just passed the 5 1/2 hour mark.

Billyd
19-06-2006, 12:46 AM
how much for the winner ? what site do you play on? can i have some of your winnings? i have no money what so ever ;)

Billyd
19-06-2006, 12:47 AM
let us know how u get on good luck

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 12:55 AM
Well, I finished second.

I was very unlucky not to win (see hand history below)

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9327/poker33ti.gif
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9327/poker33ti.gif


loop8 posted small blind (10,000)
Carlito_1 posted big blind (20,000)
Game # 523,600,391 starting.
Dealing Hole Cards
loop8 called for 10,000
Carlito_1 bet for 50,000
loop8 raised for 150,000
Carlito_1 went all-in for 373,089.92
loop8 called for 273,089.92

My hole cards were 99
loop8's hole cards were KJ

Dealing the Flop(A©A§3©)
Dealing the turn(K§)
Dealing the river(8©)
loop8 wins 886,179.84 with Two Pair, Aces over Kings
Carlito_1 has left the tournament in 2nd place, winning $11,235

That turn card cost me $6,500 :veryangry

PoolKing
19-06-2006, 07:26 AM
That is a another great finish and very nice amount of money, well done:p

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
That is a another great finish and very nice amount of money, well done:p

Thanks :p

Tired as I was, it took me a good half hour to get to sleep...couldn't stop thinking about that bloody K on the turn.

Only slight bonus I suppose is that I got all my chips in as favourite, heads up against a pro. (Profile of him winning $500,000, and a few railbirds talking about him aswell).

KevTheOptimist
19-06-2006, 10:17 AM
Am getting well into my tourneys at the moment, I don't have a bad track record but need to improve I think my rough history is as follows:

Live tourneys = 5
Money 3 times, final table once
Online tourneys = 10
Money 3 times, winner once

haven't played any big stakes yet but am looking to do so soon!

I try to win my entry fee on a cash table and then play the tourney but at the moment I've been taking my tourney strategy to the cash tables and this is n't a good idea I don't think lol, so basically a night where I should be knee deep in a tourney and I end up knee deep in a cash game trying to win back me cash!

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist

I try to win my entry fee on a cash table and then play the tourney but at the moment I've been taking my tourney strategy to the cash tables and this is n't a good idea I don't think lol, so basically a night where I should be knee deep in a tourney and I end up knee deep in a cash game trying to win back me cash!

I find I can just about transfer my tourney play to cash tables on the $0.50/$1.00 blinds, but it falls apart on the $1/$2 blinds. Saying that though, it is still pretty slow going on the $0.50/$1.00 and my hourly rate is generally quite poor.
It doesn't help that all my touneys are longhand and my cash tables are shorthand.

As a side note, I would encourage EVERYONE who is serious about improving their poker to buy 'Harrington on Hold 'Em'.
I can't remember who recommended it on here first time around, but I have found it invaluable.

KevTheOptimist
19-06-2006, 11:18 AM
I am about 60 pages into that book!

In my limited online tourney experience I learned something invaluble last night.

Playing a £10 freezout with just over 200 entrants I found myself about 19/34 approaching the bubble and I didnt do what I should have done with blind stealing etc. I tightened right up just to get in the money where had I gone all in a couple of times I would have doubled up0 and had a better chance of making better money. In hindsight, it was only a tenner for the entry and I didnt really care about it but it's a bit different when you're in a tourney and it's just nice to get in the money. The net result was that after the bubble I had to play the first hand I got pretty much which was Q 9 off - could be worse, but taken out by AJ.

I didn't have room to manouver due to my chip stack and I was annoyed about the play leading up to this.

I should have leant from my previous win where I didn't even think about the money, just played normal game, stole blinds when the time waqs right, and generally played well and it paid off.

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I am about 60 pages into that book!

In my limited online tourney experience I learned something invaluble last night.

Playing a £10 freezout with just over 200 entrants I found myself about 19/34 approaching the bubble and I didnt do what I should have done with blind stealing etc. I tightened right up just to get in the money where had I gone all in a couple of times I would have doubled up0 and had a better chance of making better money.

I generally also tighten up, but I find it works for me. I will steal if position allows it, but usually only if I have an A in my hand,

citizen sane
19-06-2006, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO


As a side note, I would encourage EVERYONE who is serious about improving their poker to buy 'Harrington on Hold 'Em'.
I can't remember who recommended it on here first time around, but I have found it invaluable.

Absolutely . I wish i had read it before starting to play again , it would have saved about 6 months of learning the hard way .

Reps AJ
19-06-2006, 01:48 PM
I can never seem to find the big hands that let me win a large amount of chips. I always seem to find myself in the middle to bottom half of the leader board throughout a tourney, even if I then get into the money. My play is better this year than last, and I've had some (limited) tournament success - 3 final table finishes (4th, 5th and about 8th I think) - but can't seem to ever build a big stake that would allow me to start making moves

I've read both Harrington books and they improved my play no end. Perhaps I need to re-read them.

Reps AJ
19-06-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
winning $11,235

:p

Now, take that money out!!

citizen sane
19-06-2006, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Well, I finished second.


Superb :p

Your tournie play has come on leaps and bounds this year , well done

:)

KevTheOptimist
19-06-2006, 01:58 PM
I couldn't imagine what it would be like to win that kind of money in a tourney. It's not like £3,000 as a massive amount of money to me in the grand scheme of things(who am I kidding, it would be life changing in my current circumstances) but to win it in an evening in front of the comp would be amazing.

oz_da II
19-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Oh dear, sitting comfortably in top ten of MTT 30 players left, some muppet going all in 5 or 6 hands in a row. He's moved up to about the same amount of chips as me. I get AhJh. He's to my right and goes all in once again. I call. He turns over A3o. Nice. Doubling up here.

Flop x2x
Turn 4
River 5

He's chip leader and I'm out next hand. :grrr:
Unbelievable. Happy with my decision though.



Well played once again Dancoo. :p

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 02:38 PM
Thanks Rep, cs and oz_da.

I've been thinking about that K on the turn now ever since the end of the tourney.
Can't even watch the football without it popping into my head.

I've come to the conclusion that I maybe could have played it better, but probably played it just about right in the circumstances.

I knew I was leading, but I could have called his re-raise and then went all-in next hand regardless. Him with nothing may then have folded (similar to M_D's suggested play).
Unfortunately, as he was in the small blind, he would have acted first and could well have put me all-in anyway...but being a pro, he might have decided not to with two A's out there.
Still can't believe that that one card lost me an extra £3,000+ :veryangry

cs - Have you got the second book aswell? I'm only actually just about half way through reading the first (so hopefully more tips to pick up), but I have the second book also (not read any of it yet).

citizen sane
19-06-2006, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO


cs - Have you got the second book aswell? I'm only actually just about half way through reading the first (so hopefully more tips to pick up), but I have the second book also (not read any of it yet).

I have yes , and tbh i found it more useful than the first ( even though the first was helpful ) because it concentrates on the later stages of tournaments .

KevTheOptimist
19-06-2006, 06:02 PM
DAN, how many times did you rebuy for the $50k guaranteed out of interest?

Strathclyde Eagle
19-06-2006, 07:04 PM
Thought about posting this morning Dancoo but I'm not sure that anything I could have posted could have been of consolation then!

Second is still fantastic and the money is great, but at the end of the day I think everyone wants to win. Don't think a big win is too far away for you though. :p

I can see a point coming where quite a few players on this thread are going to the WSOP. Plenty of players who are capable of it.

DANCOO
19-06-2006, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
DAN, how many times did you rebuy for the $50k guaranteed out of interest?

I played a $10 turbo satellite (about 100 entrants, ten get places in the $50K GTD $100 re-buy), and I didn't re-buy or add-on.

After I won two of the $10K GTD's, I bought in to a couple of the $100 re-buys, and once or twice I added on aswell - this is something I am not going to do in future.
I had a lot of money in my account, and if I didn't win my seat (I would enter three of the turbo's), I saw it as no big deal to put up the $100 myself. I saw quite early on that this was eating away slowly at my bankroll. So now, even though I have a very healthy account, I will not enter the $100 buy-in unless I win my place, and only if I get knocked out early may I consider re-buying.

DANCOO
20-06-2006, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Thought about posting this morning Dancoo but I'm not sure that anything I could have posted could have been of consolation then!

Second is still fantastic and the money is great, but at the end of the day I think everyone wants to win. Don't think a big win is too far away for you though. :p

I can see a point coming where quite a few players on this thread are going to the WSOP. Plenty of players who are capable of it.

Cheers, I am well happy with the win and it's given me a few things to think about...WSOP, maybe next year.:D

saul1664
20-06-2006, 02:23 AM
another good finish, 2nd in $10 2K guaranteed short table tourney, got my bit of luck when my all-in 77 ran into 88 and I hit 4 spades on the board, was in 11th big stack called all-in 33K with a pair of tens against my Kings, led the leaderboard, but could never pull away, stuck around the 30K mark and in 5th, 3rd looked best I could get, then big stacks went wild and kept going all in against each other until it was just me against big stack. I had 10K, he had 160K - it didn't last long but $400 not bad, won this same exact tournament a month back for $600 so fair enough. Now it is time for bed...

DANCOO
20-06-2006, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
another good finish, 2nd in $10 2K guaranteed short table tourney...

Nice one.:p

Is there a MTT leaderboard on the site you play, getting points for all final tables?

saul1664
20-06-2006, 11:17 AM
No there isn't, but happy with where I play at the moment, as standard in tournaments (at the level I play) doesn't appear to be particularly strong.

KevTheOptimist
20-06-2006, 12:17 PM
DAN, another question!

I see you tend to play Laddies exclusively, how do you find their tournement structure and general play. I used to play on Laddies all the time but got dissillusioned lots of times with the amount of times weird things happened. I couldn't get anywhere in the tourneys as nuts turned to dust very regularly for me.

So I switched to Betfair and was wondering what you thought?

DANCOO
20-06-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
DAN, another question!

I see you tend to play Laddies exclusively, how do you find their tournement structure and general play. I used to play on Laddies all the time but got dissillusioned lots of times with the amount of times weird things happened. I couldn't get anywhere in the tourneys as nuts turned to dust very regularly for me.

So I switched to Betfair and was wondering what you thought?

Well I used to use William Hill at first, but changed to Ladbrokes after opening an account for the BBS tournies, and yes, it is the only site I play, and I currently have no intention of moving as I am familiar with a lot of the players styles now.

Personally, I have found nothing strange about anything that happens on it (barring the occasional graphics glitch).

If by strange, you mean 'rigged', you should speak to Son of Selhurst - apparantly he has 'evidence'.

Tournament structures are good with occasional overlays (tournaments with less players to make the GTD payout), which is good.

Billyd
20-06-2006, 03:04 PM
has anyone got the Harrington book that i could borrow off them for a couple of weeks?. i will pay postage and send it back to them as soon as ive read it.If anyone doesnt mind doing this i would be very grateful, i promise i wont do a runner :) thanks

KevTheOptimist
20-06-2006, 04:22 PM
Billy, I am about a quarter through but am reading quite slowly, if you still haven't got it by the time I finsh I'll lend it to ya.

Billyd
20-06-2006, 04:42 PM
cheers nice one

GJN
21-06-2006, 11:46 PM
Had two really bad beats tonight.

(1) I had King-Queen. Saw the flop was favorable, no high cards, the other guy jumps in to protect his early raise before the flop. I set him all in, he turns over King-Jack. He gets the Jack on the river.

(2) Similar situation when I had Ace-Queen, the other guy had Ace-Jack. I didnt have a pair, but I still had an incling I was ahead, as out of nowhere he put in a big raise after limping in from mid postion. Maybe he did it because he was a lowish stack and the blinds were biggish. I set him all in, he gets the Jack on fourth street.

And as a side note, did the go all in with A-(anything better than 10) thing and got done in by pair of 7's, but had no choice due to what just transpired. I think Ill stick to face to face cash games with friends. Its easy to read body language and pick up things I cant on the internet.

DANCOO
22-06-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by GJN
I think Ill stick to face to face cash games with friends. Its easy to read body language and pick up things I cant on the internet.

Seems like you picked up two pretty good reads on those other two hands, you just got unlucky.

Reps AJ
22-06-2006, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by GJN
Had two really bad beats tonight.

(1) I had King-Queen. Saw the flop was favorable, no high cards, the other guy jumps in to protect his early raise before the flop. I set him all in, he turns over King-Jack. He gets the Jack on the river.

No sure thats a bad beat, rather than two bad bets. An early raise could mean top pairs or even medium pairs like JJ, 1010, 99 or something like Ax, all of which would put you behind after the flop. Even if you think he's just making a continuation bet and all-in re-raise smacks of a bluff. So I don't think yours was a great bet. Having said that, not sure what he was doing calling you when he was essentially bluffing himself.

Obviously if this was a tournament then it might be impacted by chip counts and blind levels and, as you say, its online so you have not physical tells

DANCOO
22-06-2006, 02:17 PM
I think the hand I just had is about a 20,000-1 shot.

I saw someone flop a Royal a couple of months back, and thought it would be a loooong time before I ever saw it again.

Shame it couldn't have happened in a bigger tournament.

Oh yeah, the other player that was in tried to bluff me with pocket 5's :D

I've now had a Diamond, Club and Heart Royal...only Spades to go :)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4426/royal3xd.gif

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4426/royal3xd.gif

oz_da II
22-06-2006, 02:52 PM
Nice work.

Only time I've hit a Royal was when I was showing a few mates how to play.
I was actually praying I didn't hit on the river.... :clown:

Watched a few hands of your's yesterday, DANCOO
Just out of the money?
Highlight, I saw was calling an all in with JJ, opponent had TT.
Think you finished up with a boat.

Saying that, played a seven-card stud tourney for a bit of a change tonight.
Lost two very big hands (last one all in) in about 10 minutes holding boats!
Unbelievable.

DANCOO
22-06-2006, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II

Watched a few hands of your's yesterday, DANCOO
Just out of the money?
Highlight, I saw was calling an all in with JJ, opponent had TT.
Think you finished up with a boat.


Yeah, I wasn't really in the right frame of mind last night TBH.
I was playing the $25 freezeout at the same time as the $100 re-buy, and both times I went all-in out of position with only average hands. The $25 freezeout all-in was just plain silly (out of position holding 88 I think), the $100 re-buy all-in - I was low on chips and went all-in from early holding (I think) AJs, I got called by someone holding QQ and went out.

That JJ hand, I think I rasied from early and he then re-raised. I then re-raise him all-in and he then called, was pleased to see him holding TT:)

I actually have quite a bad habit recently of going out right before the money, which is strange as I usually play quite tight approaching the cash...something I will have to work on.

Billyd
23-06-2006, 01:39 AM
Being playing all night in a mtt. Played about 5 hands all night. close to money now

Billyd
23-06-2006, 01:52 AM
went out 2 places to money lost 88 to 6-7

Billyd
24-06-2006, 02:53 AM
2 tourney in 2 nights and again just outside the money was playing 3 hours aswell

DANCOO
24-06-2006, 09:43 PM
An unreal turn of bad luck.

I've gone out of three tournies so far (two of them I was very well placed), being outdrawn on all-ins.

All-in, my KK v AK...A on the turn (this was for a clear chip lead a fair way in).

All-in after low flop, I'm holding QQ get called by JJ...J on the river.

I call an all-in after ragged flop, I'm holding AA, other player turns over 55...5 on the turn.

Never had anything close to such a poor run of beats before, I'm hoping I've just had a weeks worth...I've certainly paid for them.:grrr: :rolleyes: :moo:

DANCOO
24-06-2006, 10:17 PM
And to top it off, I go out of the last f*cking tourney of the night holding KK...to f*cking AA, worse day for a loooong time - not financially, just for some terrible luck.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

DANCOO
24-06-2006, 11:59 PM
Challenge TV at the moment - 'High Stakes Poker', not often you see the pros playing cash games.

Harman, Brunson, Negreanu, Greenstein to name a few, each sitting down with around $100,000 - $200,000 each.

Very interesting seeing the cards they are all playing.

KevTheOptimist
25-06-2006, 12:27 AM
Seen the first series of this. I like Negreanu simply cos he is a nutter. you cn read all his articles on his website they are well worth a read.

I like his work simply cos he writes about being a right degenerate

Micky Droy
25-06-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Seen the first series of this. I like Negreanu simply cos he is a nutter. you cn read all his articles on his website they are well worth a read.

I like his work simply cos he writes about being a right degenerate

He's found religion and cleaned up :sob:

Micky Droy
25-06-2006, 09:18 AM
I urge you all to get Poker Office. Simpler interface than PokerTracker.

It marks your opponents on screen with icons and stats so you can see who plays how. As well as stats and graphs on where you win and lose money, every hand you play (with replays), how you play different hands and how often. etc etc. It basically gioves you a better memory than you could hope to have.

It's changed my style. In speed sit'n'go's I am seeing a much higher % of flops then, say, in a MTT. I make sure I play aggressive preflop and aggressive after, but getting out if it;s nowhere. Where it really helps me is it shows me who I can bluff against to steal. I realise the weakness of most online players is how to bet after the flop (where today's greats - Hansen, Negreanu - play), and this tells you exactly how they do it. So with an unfavourable flop you can often raise them out of the pot, once youi know how much they play afterwards, how they normally bet etc.

The other big, and simple, lesson it shows you is that calling is 95% of the time a mug;s game (unless you're calling for value in a cheap multipot).

I have also learned that I am making more money on cash games than tourneys. That may be a statistical blip as of course tourney pay outs come along more rarely.

It reinforces lessons you read about but that I often end up ignoring, such as huge warning signs about play Kojack.

It's legal and is officially supported by sites like Laddies, PartyPoker.

Costs $100, but you can also get it free if you buy in to one of the sites that sanction it and amass player points or whatever scheme they have. the free trial gives you something like 1000 free hands.

DANCOO
25-06-2006, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy

I urge you all to get Poker Office. Simpler interface than PokerTracker.

It marks your opponents on screen with icons and stats so you can see who plays how. As well as stats and graphs on where you win and lose money, every hand you play (with replays), how you play different hands and how often. etc etc. It basically gioves you a better memory than you could hope to have.


I downloaded the trial version of this, but the screen was so jam packed full of icons and information I gave up on it as it was distracting (although to be fair, I didn't read any instructions and just tried to guess at how to work it - I suppose you must be able to pick and choose what information is visible?)
Also, I want to be able to have notes at hand about a specific play the player made (once again something it is probably capable of), but couldn't see how readily available it was, so once again didn't bother from there.
I've been doing excel spreadsheets on a large amount of players who have done something worthy of taking note, but maybe it's times to give Poker Office another try?

Originally posted by Micky Droy

The other big, and simple, lesson it shows you is that calling is 95% of the time a mug;s game (unless you're calling for value in a cheap multipot).

That's the one major change I've made since reading Harrington. Read a couple of books and everyone says 'call less, raise more', and it's only the last couple of months I've been doing that...and it's true, just wish I'd taken notice of it earlier (of course, there's a little more to it than just blindly raising all the time:clown: )

Reps AJ
25-06-2006, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
The other big, and simple, lesson it shows you is that calling is 95% of the time a mug;s game (unless you're calling for value in a cheap multipot).

I think this is one of the biggest flaws in my game at the moment - although recognising it is the first step!

I think I'm at a turning point. I've been playing for about a year now and I think I need to stop playing and re-assess everything I've been doing, why and how I'm doing it. I have the tendency to do stupid things like play three tables whilst watching the TV and surfing the internet. Not good for the old concentration!

I think I'm going to re-read the Harrington books, Super System and a couple of Sklansky books then work out what I should be doing and then treat the whole thing a bit more seriously.

oz_da II
25-06-2006, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
I think I'm at a turning point. I've been playing for about a year now and I think I need to stop playing and re-assess everything I've been doing, why and how I'm doing it. I have the tendency to do stupid things like play three tables whilst watching the TV and surfing the internet. Not good for the old concentration!


You should notice a big difference in success if you switch everything off (even background music) and concentrate solely on your poker. I did.

I had a go at multi-tabling until I accidently folded pocket aces pre-flop by accident. :clown:

PoolKing
25-06-2006, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
I have the tendency to do stupid things like play three tables whilst watching the TV and surfing the internet. Not good for the old concentration!


Different thngs work for different people. Regarding multi-tabling; do this gradually, only move to playing 2 tables at a time when you have mastered playing just one, the play 3 once you have mastered 2, etc. Move up steadily and don't rush.

budgie
25-06-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Different thngs work for different people. Regarding multi-tabling; do this gradually, only move to playing 2 tables at a time when you have mastered playing just one, the play 3 once you have mastered 2, etc. Move up steadily and don't rush.

Sounds good advise, whats the most tables you've played at once? I've struggled with 2.

PoolKing
25-06-2006, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by budgie
Sounds good advise, whats the most tables you've played at once? I've struggled with 2.

I play 2 or 3 tables nowadays and feel comfortable with both, though I still find 2 a lot easier to manage so tend to stick to 2 90% of the time. I have done 4 at once but didn't do so well and it was very intense.

When I first started playing 2 I found it hard but you get used to it and now playing 1 feels too slow and 2 is easy to keep up with.

Billyd
25-06-2006, 09:27 PM
anyone got any poker books they wouldnt mind lending me?

Gav The Hamster
25-06-2006, 09:44 PM
try the library or amazon.

with all that money you been winning on your own little betting thread, you shouldn't have any problem buying your own

saul1664
25-06-2006, 10:29 PM
another tournament won on betfair this time, took me a while to adjust £5 buy in, won £174, £25 turned into £300 nice

Micky Droy
25-06-2006, 10:34 PM
well done saul

DANCOO
26-06-2006, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
And to top it off, I go out of the last f*cking tourney of the night holding KK...to f*cking AA, worse day for a loooong time - not financially, just for some terrible luck.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

And again...

DANCOO
28-06-2006, 08:26 PM
Bad luck continues as I go out of the $20 re-buy and the $750 WSOP buy-in losing all-ins - my 99 v AK/my 99 v JQ/my AJ v KQ/my AQ v AJ.

Can't buy a win at the moment :(

Anyone else having better luck?

Teddy
28-06-2006, 09:16 PM
No mention as far as I could see, but World Series is off and running. Mike Sexton won the Tournament of Champions, Negreanu 2nd. Anyone interested in following things the Gutshot website is running pretty good coverage.

Billyd
28-06-2006, 11:32 PM
got in the money in a $5 mtt

Billyd
28-06-2006, 11:33 PM
apart from that having a horrible time in mtt, i used to get in the money once a day. This is my first in about 3 weeks :O

saul1664
28-06-2006, 11:54 PM
Just two tourneys last night, 5th 1st one £44 back, bit disappointed as had 60K chips but blinds whittled me away to nothing before I could act, not helped by chip leader getting extremely lucky on an all-in with second chip leader, sitting there with 215K chips and rasing 24K most hands, wasn't much I could do, only ever had two raising hands against him and whimpered out.

Then 10th and £68, would have been much further up the money, had 3K in chips, got 88, raised and got called 8 on flop and two under cards, about to win a substantial pot and disconnected and lost my raise, ended up with about 1.5K chips four hands later, worked back up to 18K, but never really got back into the game, and when AQs got cracked, the blinds and ante's got me, without disconnection sure would have finished higher and 1st was £924 which was the more disappointing, but can't complain, another £80 (don't think I have finished outside the places for a long while now).

oz_da II
29-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Ouch, disconnected holding a set!
Does that happen often? Never been dc'd whilst playing, myself.

Flopped the nut flush yesterday (cash game) and lost to a clown chasing a full house. Proved costly. Put him all in after the turn and he called with two pair. River gave him his boat. :(

Nice to see Mike Sexton win the TOC ($1M). Seems like a nice guy.

saul1664
29-06-2006, 01:48 AM
I'm on wanadoo, has auto disconnect feature which I turned off, now disconnects every two hours without warning and I have to reconnect, likes to do it on premium hands I think, can't stop it doing it.

Did get KK cracked by AA early on in 6 hander tournament so maybe luck is changing.

Some real retard on my table just had two all-ins on 23 first two hands

first hand he gets full house 2's and 3's
second hand he gets 23456 straight and takes pot down

gjtango
29-06-2006, 10:40 PM
Does anyone have any Poker book recommendations? I play regulary for small pots but not online. I'm quite a good player IMO, always come in top 4 out of a fair few us playing, but would like to read a book on the game as I'm quite interested in it.

Sunny Fan
29-06-2006, 11:34 PM
The Harrington (harrington on hold-em) and Brunson (Super System I or II) are the two bibles, as far as I can tell

gjtango
29-06-2006, 11:35 PM
Been browsing on amazon and those two have appeared and been mentioned more than a number of times.

Sunny Fan
29-06-2006, 11:37 PM
Read through the first few pages of this thread; I'm sure they are discussed there

gjtango
29-06-2006, 11:50 PM
They are indeed.

DANCOO
29-06-2006, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Been browsing on amazon and those two have appeared and been mentioned more than a number of times.

Although I personally think the 'Harrington on Hold 'em' is a slightly more in-depth book than 'Super System', I would go for 'Super System' as a first book as so many people will already have this, it will give you a better understanding of the hands and styles that most online players will play.
Saying that, the 'No Limit Hold 'em' section is only about a quarter of the entire book, the rest is made up of other types pf poker which I haven't even read.

DANCOO
29-06-2006, 11:52 PM
If anyone gets a chance to see the 'High Stakes Poker' programme on Challenge TV at midnight every night, watch it. When the two commentators are on form, they are very funny.

gjtango
30-06-2006, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
If anyone gets a chance to see the 'High Stakes Poker' programme on Challenge TV at midnight every night, watch it. When the two commentators are on form, they are very funny.

Is it on now? Also, which one out of these 3 on the site would you suggest I should purchase?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/203-4037989-6004702?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=blended&field-keywords=Super%20System%20by%20Doyle%20Brunson

oz_da II
30-06-2006, 12:03 AM
Phil Helmuth in fine form already at the WSOP. :clown:

LaBonte makes it 4,000 which Hellmuth calls. LaBonte turns over King-Jack, making two pairs, whilst Hellmuth shows an Ace and mucks. LaBonte must have known what was coming next. “How can he check-raise me there?” he said, “This guy’s probably played seven hours of poker in his life.”

“Five hours”, replied LaBonte.

Nice response. :p

oz_da II
30-06-2006, 03:00 AM
Got to a final table in an MTT last night.

Six remaining
Sitting third in chips with about $600,000
SB $700,000
BB $1,000,000
other three very short stacked

Blinds 20,000/40,000

I got pocket T's UTG
Everyone playing very tight.

What to do? Any thoughts on how this should be played?

Micky Droy
30-06-2006, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Got to a final table in an MTT last night.

Six remaining
Sitting third in chips with about $600,000
SB $700,000
BB $1,000,000
other three very short stacked

Blinds 20,000/40,000

I got pocket T's UTG
Everyone playing very tight.

What to do? Any thoughts on how this should be played?

Raise the mofos 5x the BB and pray!

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by gjtango
Is it on now? Also, which one out of these 3 on the site would you suggest I should purchase?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/203-4037989-6004702?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=blended&field-keywords=Super%20System%20by%20Doyle%20Brunson

It was on then yes, it is then repeated immediately at 01:00 on the 'Challenge 2' channel (or whatever it's called).

Out of those three books, I would personally go for the middle one - Super System 2.
Super System 2 will be very similar to Super Sytem (1), but will be more up to date (certainly with the jargon), and maybe a few different plays aswell - this is slightly presumptuous having never read the original Super System, but I'm sure this is what I have read somewhere.
The third one is just a hardback version of Super System 2 - unlikely to contain any extra information.

saul1664
30-06-2006, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Raise the mofos 5x the BB and pray!

all-in

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Got to a final table in an MTT last night.

Six remaining
Sitting third in chips with about $600,000
SB $700,000
BB $1,000,000
other three very short stacked

Blinds 20,000/40,000

I got pocket T's UTG
Everyone playing very tight.

What to do? Any thoughts on how this should be played?

Well...?

Son of Selhurst
30-06-2006, 10:30 AM
Playing in a £50 tourney in Reading tonight. Anyone else going?

oz_da II
30-06-2006, 10:33 AM
I went all in.

Folded to the SB who went all in... uh oh.
BB calls... double uh oh

They show AJo and AQo respectively. Better than I anticipated...
J on the flop. SB wins the hand.

SB ended up winning the whole thing about 5 or 6 hands later.

The three short stacks must have been very happy to see that hand.

With the three short stacks nearing exits I'm starting to think a raise was the better option. Could have got out if any danger loomed.

Reps AJ
30-06-2006, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
The three short stacks must have been very happy to see that hand.

With the three short stacks nearing exits I'm starting to think a raise was the better option. Could have got out if any danger loomed.

That was going to be my reply - why bother getting tangled up with the other 2 big stacks when you're out of position when you could have waited for the 2 small stacks to go and got at least 3rd? I'd probably have just raised so I could still get out in one piece after a bad flop

oz_da II
30-06-2006, 04:14 PM
On fire at the moment.
Just won a 90 man satellite tournament on Full Tilt Poker.
Only had to go all in once. With three players left the board produced a straight. Sigh of relief as my QJ was losing to big slick. Opponent wasn't best pleased. :)

Haven't got an account there yet was just trying out the software.
Not too bad. Anyone have an account there?

Strathclyde Eagle
30-06-2006, 07:00 PM
I've heard Full Tilt is a rock garden. Decent bonus there though (100% up to $600 I think).

saul1664
30-06-2006, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I went all in.

Folded to the SB who went all in... uh oh.
BB calls... double uh oh

They show AJo and AQo respectively. Better than I anticipated...
J on the flop. SB wins the hand.

SB ended up winning the whole thing about 5 or 6 hands later.

The three short stacks must have been very happy to see that hand.

With the three short stacks nearing exits I'm starting to think a raise was the better option. Could have got out if any danger loomed.

It's hard to give advice, as you were in your game, and had a read off the other players. Generally, you have two options end-game, to play not a lot apart from premium hands and wait for the small blinds to go out, which means you whimper out without really playing a hand, or to play aggressive and attempt to win the competition like you did.

Once I get into the top ten, I look at the prize structure for 10th, then aim to get 9th, then 8th so on and climb up, that way you can identify what stacks to go for, and I play my hands aggressively anyway.

TT is a hand to play aggressively, I would if on the button go 4x BB, you are going to get called by AQ AJ anyway, and then go all-in if I think I have the edge, if there is a lot in the pot I may just go all-in anyway if I am one of the last to go. Only thing about TT if the flop is all over cards then you can drop, if its only one or undercards, you still have to play the hand.

Once I am top 5 or 3 (depending on prize structure) I have no fear of losing because I am already winning, so raise big on drawing hands, and play my premium hands ultra aggressively, tends to work 90% of the time.

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 07:36 PM
This is getting beyond a f*cking joke now!!!

Not finished in the money for about two weeks, and it's constant bullshit which is taking me out.

$100 re-buy, I raise 3.5 x BB holding AA, two callers.

Argh...I can't even be arsed to say what happened...f*cking joke.

:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

C*nts, the lot of 'em.

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
If anyone gets a chance to see the 'High Stakes Poker' programme on Challenge TV at midnight every night, watch it. When the two commentators are on form, they are very funny.

saul1664
30-06-2006, 11:00 PM
4th, was hopelessly short stacked in 18th place about 700, somehow got up to 10,000 and won pots on final table, table really tight with last 4, everybody doing all in's all the time, played tight and uncharacteristicaly went all in with JQ to try and steal, but got called by K10 and dominated when K on the flop, tbh had had enough by then, should have done better, but £96 is better than a kick in the teeth

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
4th, was hopelessly short stacked in 18th place about 700, somehow got up to 10,000 and won pots on final table, table really tight with last 4, everybody doing all in's all the time, played tight and uncharacteristicaly went all in with JQ to try and steal, but got called by K10 and dominated when K on the flop, tbh had had enough by then, should have done better, but £96 is better than a kick in the teeth

Saul, what do you put your improvement down to, you seem to be finishing in the money quite often now?

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Playing in a £50 tourney in Reading tonight. Anyone else going?

Is it in that casino near the Oracle?

How often do they hold tournaments, I might try and get to one in the near future as I only live in Bracknell.

DANCOO
30-06-2006, 11:32 PM
Bubbled in the $50 freezout :(...improving I suppose.

Billyd
01-07-2006, 10:06 AM
Incredible thing just happened, ive e-mailed sporting odds about it as it is VERY VERY DODGY. I am first to act after the flop, im holding AK suited i raise the blinds 30 to 120. The big blind is the only caller.

Flop comes down 3h, 10d, Ac,

I raise 240,
He re raises for 480,
I go all in for about 1700,
He calls,

He turns over 6h and 9h (WHAT THE ••••)

Card on the turn is a 6, river is 9.

Ive played poker for about 4 years now. Never have i seen such a bad call or such a lucky hit. I literially wasnt even botherd becuase it was so bad. Usually i would be throwing the computer after that, but this time i just sat there stunned. It was only a $10 stt but still!

DANCOO
01-07-2006, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
It was only a $10 stt but still!

And therein probably lies the answer.

What are you expecting sportingodds to say? Yes we're crooks, and we wanted our man to win the $10 stt!

Just put it down to the bloke being a pratt and remember him for next time.

TBH, I've done some stooopid stuff in the past if I'm in a small tourney and I'm bored out of my mind and just want get out of the tourney...I've done it in big tourney's aswell.

I've been called all-in for about $100 in a cash game before with someone holding 69s and they've hit a flush.

You just cant take into the account the actions of idiots sometimes...and that sometimes applies to myself aswell:clown:

DANCOO
02-07-2006, 12:05 AM
At last, made a final table for the first time in ages, out in seventh.

All-in holding 44 (impatience), called by 66...flop throws out two 6's for quads.

And it was all down to going back to abc poker and not trying anything too fancy.

SamTheOldGoat
02-07-2006, 02:40 PM
Won a satellite at Reigate Card Club on Wednesday and actually at the club now as they have net access. It's a £300 freezeout, should be a fair few runners and first price of over £6k....

Wish me luck! :)

Haven't played online much recently as been too busy etc however my brother has been using Littlewoods and Interpoker, part of the Cryptologic network and both seem to be good :)

SamTheOldGoat
02-07-2006, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
You should notice a big difference in success if you switch everything off (even background music) and concentrate solely on your poker. I did.

I had a go at multi-tabling until I accidently folded pocket aces pre-flop by accident. :clown:

Great lay-down, he was clearly ahead :D

oz_da II
03-07-2006, 03:06 AM
I need shooting.

Playing the next stage of the satellite I won on Saturday.
1300 starters. Sitting in about 20th spot, 200 players left, 150 go through to the final stage.

Been throwing away every hand, I notice I've got KK and a loud mouth with more chips has gone "all in" in front of me. He's been doing this before and showing absolute rubbish after everyone folded. Excellent opportunity to take this clown out. So I call with my cowboys...

He flops over pocket 3's. Fair enough...
3 on the flop and I'm gone.

4 hours wasted and the opportunity of a week in Vegas.
I almost did throw them away as well. Was no need to get invloved.

:clown:

saul1664
03-07-2006, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Saul, what do you put your improvement down to, you seem to be finishing in the money quite often now?

Don't know really, read poker player magazine once a month, they often have quite good articles on poker play (how to play pocket pairs, AK etc) - that helps a bit.

Think I am a lot more patient early on, often won't raise until blinds are at least 50/100 unless I cop a big hand, and when I get to the money, playing much more aggressively on premium hands.

Playing more tournaments means I get a bit more of a read on opponents, not often I am beaten by a better hand that I haven't expected, able to trap more players with check raising also, just different things I have brought to my game.

saul1664
03-07-2006, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
Incredible thing just happened, ive e-mailed sporting odds about it as it is VERY VERY DODGY. I am first to act after the flop, im holding AK suited i raise the blinds 30 to 120. The big blind is the only caller.

Flop comes down 3h, 10d, Ac,

I raise 240,
He re raises for 480,
I go all in for about 1700,
He calls,

He turns over 6h and 9h (WHAT THE ••••)

Card on the turn is a 6, river is 9.

Ive played poker for about 4 years now. Never have i seen such a bad call or such a lucky hit. I literially wasnt even botherd becuase it was so bad. Usually i would be throwing the computer after that, but this time i just sat there stunned. It was only a $10 stt but still!

People will go all-in on flush draws and straight draws, have noticed that a lot, even at end stage of tournaments!

saul1664
03-07-2006, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I need shooting.

Playing the next stage of the satellite I won on Saturday.
1300 starters. Sitting in about 20th spot, 200 players left, 150 go through to the final stage.

Been throwing away every hand, I notice I've got KK and a loud mouth with more chips has gone "all in" in front of me. He's been doing this before and showing absolute rubbish after everyone folded. Excellent opportunity to take this clown out. So I call with my cowboys...

He flops over pocket 3's. Fair enough...
3 on the flop and I'm gone.

4 hours wasted and the opportunity of a week in Vegas.
I almost did throw them away as well. Was no need to get invloved.

:clown:

you were still a favourite over him to win the pot, just got unlucky, difficult not to play KK or AA powerfully, especially at a late stage, that's the problem with all-in idiots, you don't actually know when they have a hand, I usually wait until I am sure I have the best hand I can against them or let someone else knock them out. Probably would not have folded KK either though.

oz_da II
03-07-2006, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Probably would not have folded KK either though.

The thing is I could have mucked the rest of the satellite and qualified for the final stage.
The need to shut the maniac up got the better of me (he was giving it large). I should have left it on "automatic muck" and made some breakfast.

Reps AJ
03-07-2006, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
The thing is I could have mucked the rest of the satellite and qualified for the final stage.
The need to shut the maniac up got the better of me (he was giving it large). I should have left it on "automatic muck" and made some breakfast.

In a real cash tourney I'd have called all-in with KK, especially against someone like that but I guess thats the difference between a satellite where there is no difference between 150th and 1st and a cash tourney where there's obviously a huge difference. Chalk it up to experience and move on - once you've calmed down of course :p

oz_da II
03-07-2006, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Chalk it up to experience and move on - once you've calmed down of course :p

I was lucky to have a football match later on that day.
Nice way to let out some steam. :o

oz_da II
04-07-2006, 03:33 AM
Stiff Shit Award

4th in my latest satellite.
Top 3 go through. :clown:

Son of Selhurst
04-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Is it in that casino near the Oracle?

How often do they hold tournaments, I might try and get to one in the near future as I only live in Bracknell.

No, the Stanley Casino opposite the Rivermead Leisure centre (where the Reading Festival is held)

£50 Freeze-out on Fridays, and they do £10 re-buys during the week.

Free joining and as long as you have ID, you can join right away and then go in and play.

As far as I'm aware, the Grovesnor (near the Oracle) doesn't have a card room.

KevTheOptimist
04-07-2006, 12:55 PM
Some poker hand nick names which I found quite funny recently:

The Krays - usually known as KK, not so, surely it should be a King and a Queen!

The German virgin - 99

Funk Butter
04-07-2006, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
People will go all-in on flush draws and straight draws, have noticed that a lot, even at end stage of tournaments!
But this person had neither.

SamTheOldGoat
04-07-2006, 05:53 PM
Yes, and got lucky, it happens! It's cards!

Have you ever played in a casino in a comp where the rebuys are low and people are going all in every hand to double up! The outdraws are often sickening!

Came 10th in £300 freezeout in Reigate, good standard of poker and pleased to finish pretty high up against 'professionals.'

Does anyone play there/fancy meeting up for a game there sometime, cash games all the time too :)

Zareba2003
04-07-2006, 06:04 PM
Would you be talking about 'The Full House' poker place in Reigate? A guy on the official Palace site (money4nuffin) practically lives there and is always on at me to get down and play. Am damn busy with work these days but wouldn't mind having a visit. I hear its pretty good down there :p

SamTheOldGoat
04-07-2006, 09:00 PM
Indeed I am chap, The Full House card room.

Very well run card room in my opinion, a lot better than the Grosvenors and Gala's......

Does Money4Nuffin use this site, and what's his name, as my brother also plays up there a lot!

Feel free to drop me a PM if you want to head up one night, ranging from £10 rebuys/£50 freezeouts to £300 freezeouts :)

Billyd
04-07-2006, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yes, and got lucky, it happens! It's cards!

Have you ever played in a casino in a comp where the rebuys are low and people are going all in every hand to double up! The outdraws are often sickening!

Came 10th in £300 freezeout in Reigate, good standard of poker and pleased to finish pretty high up against 'professionals.'

Does anyone play there/fancy meeting up for a game there sometime, cash games all the time too :)

Do you know Scott who goes down there, and that shortish bloke who always wears the rockport coat?

DANCOO
04-07-2006, 11:51 PM
:veryangry

Billyd
04-07-2006, 11:55 PM
what?

DANCOO
04-07-2006, 11:58 PM
$50 re-buy.

Jaserob
05-07-2006, 07:48 AM
Played in a $10 + $1 Satellite tournament on Bodog last night and won through to Sunday's $100k guaranteed tournament. Can't wait. This will be my first large tourney.

Zareba2003
05-07-2006, 10:24 AM
Indeed I am chap, The Full House card room.

Very well run card room in my opinion, a lot better than the Grosvenors and Gala's......

Does Money4Nuffin use this site, and what's his name, as my brother also plays up there a lot!

Feel free to drop me a PM if you want to head up one night, ranging from £10 rebuys/£50 freezeouts to £300 freezeouts

I am yet to visit the place. I am not a great player but then again I am not poor either but I sometimes feel out of place playing in the live setting. I have posted on the Official site (where I go by the same name) for Money to check this thread out. Will definately drop you a PM if I get round to going anytime soon! :p

DANCOO
05-07-2006, 12:10 PM
Amazing...how awful a cash game player Phil Hellmuth is (compared to the cash pros). Seen him getting destroyed on High Stakes Poker, which proves the statement of cash and tournament play being totally different.

For this reason I have decided to work on my cash game...at the same time as moving up a level...at the same time as completely changing my style (compared to my tourney play).:moo: :clown:as tourneys not been going great recently,
I am playing cash games agressiveish pre-flop (seeing a lot of flops and also defending my blinds a lot more with a medium amount of raising), and playing very agressive post flop (this is almost completely the opposite way I play tournaments).

This is causing big swings on my starting cash amount (not only due to more action, but also due to being up against slightly more aggressive opponents), but I had my biggest cash win to date (don't know if the all-in was wise considering the action leading up to it, but the table had been playing pretty loose).

> tamara111 posted small blind ($1)
> madmac posted big blind ($2)
> Game # 533,638,740 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> Alan321 folded
> LeSandia raised for $4
> niceriver folded
> Carlito_1 called for $4
> tamara111 called for $3
> madmac called for $2
> Dealing the Flop(5©6©2ͺ)
> tamara111 checked
> madmac checked
> LeSandia bet for $8
> Carlito_1 raised for $16
> tamara111 raised for $32
> madmac called for $32
> LeSandia called for $24
> Carlito_1 went all-in for $226
> tamara111 folded
> madmac folded
> LeSandia went all-in for $119.76
> Extra chips returned to Carlito_1, $90.24
> Dealing the turn(Kͺ)
> Dealing the river(8©)
> LeSandia shows One Pair, Jacks
(J¨JͺKͺ8©6©)
> Carlito_1 shows One Pair, Queens
(QͺQ¨Kͺ8©6©)
> Carlito_1 wins $380.52 with One Pair, Queens

Still couldn't bring myself to look at the last two cards to hit.:D

Zareba2003
05-07-2006, 05:22 PM
Does Money4Nuffin use this site, and what's his name, as my brother also plays up there a lot

Sam, his name is Craig and he thinks he knows you. He plays there almost every week. Mainly in tournaments but will get involved in cash games when he is out! :p

KevTheOptimist
06-07-2006, 11:17 AM
Dan, if you're playing cash on Laddies, this is where the seeds of doubt were sown into my mind as to site fixing lol

At those stakes I was seeing a lot of action that could only have been induced by the cards people were getting, AA v KK, JJ v TT, st8s beaten by river flushes, low end st8s after pre flop raises were beating high pairs blah blah blah. I guess with tourney play the rakes are taken at source, with cash games, there is a lot to be gained by big pots!

Anyway, back to my conspiracy books! Would be interested to know how you get on and what you see in the next week or two if you stay on the cash tables.

DANCOO
06-07-2006, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Dan, if you're playing cash on Laddies, this is where the seeds of doubt were sown into my mind as to site fixing lol

At those stakes I was seeing a lot of action that could only have been induced by the cards people were getting, AA v KK, JJ v TT, st8s beaten by river flushes, low end st8s after pre flop raises were beating high pairs blah blah blah. I guess with tourney play the rakes are taken at source, with cash games, there is a lot to be gained by big pots!

Anyway, back to my conspiracy books! Would be interested to know how you get on and what you see in the next week or two if you stay on the cash tables.

The thing is though the rake is maxed at $3 (not sure what percentage it is), so after that is reached, it doesn't matter - and for them to make a profit big enough to make it worth while to take the risk associated, odd things would need to happen every other hand.

Still, I'll let you know how I get on.

Teddy
06-07-2006, 11:00 PM
For anyone who's interested Hellmuth is at the final table of the $5000 NLH World Series, on for that 10th bracelet.

oz_da II
06-07-2006, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by Teddy
For anyone who's interested Hellmuth is at the final table of the $5000 NLH World Series, on for that 10th bracelet.

And in fine form. Called Vinnie Vinh a terrorist yesterday.
Quickly apologised, apparently.

Zareba2003
07-07-2006, 08:58 AM
Is the WSOP on Sky? I just got Sky HD and haven't had time to trawl through the channels yet. Always liked Hellmuth, the McEnroe of Poker! :p

oz_da II
07-07-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Zareba2003
Is the WSOP on Sky? I just got Sky HD and haven't had time to trawl through the channels yet. Always liked Hellmuth, the McEnroe of Poker! :p

Not aired on ESPN in the States for a few months.

Hellmuth cames second.

Zareba2003
07-07-2006, 01:24 PM
A story of last nights Poker:

So annoyed!!!!!!! Awful cards all night. 260 hands with a win percentage of only 4% (I usually aim at 10% and i'm doing good).

About to give up. In the big blind but then this hand happens:

Me: 2,3 off suit

Flat calls to me (10 people in). Check for free flop, why not.

FLOP: 4 , 3 , 2 (at this point I sit up and think nows my chance)

Get some raises, I reraise and then get called. (2 left)

TURN: 10 (oh yes, that helps no one, prepare to die losers)

Get a small bet, this guy at best has a pocket pair (maybe Aces, I hope, he wants a raise with a bet like that). I raise big. He calls.

RIVER: 3 (BINGO, full house, can't be beat now, get in!)

Little raise, he goes over my head and I instantly go ALL IN. He calls and there we go, I rub my hands with glee. But wait. Whats this... the chips just rolled to him. I rub my eyes. How can that be? There was only one hand that could beat me... I look at the guys face up cards and my head drops. 4 4. Full house with the 4's and mine with the 3's. Can this be real. The worst evening of cards in ages and then that! Thats a bad beat! Thats a really bad beat. Thats a friggin outrageous beat! The good old world of Poker. Couldn't make it up!

Strathclyde Eagle
07-07-2006, 02:05 PM
To go all Hellmuth on you, it isn't a bad beat as you're always behind.

No getting away from that though. Nasty.

Zareba2003
07-07-2006, 02:40 PM
To go all Hellmuth on you, it isn't a bad beat as you're always behind.

Yes true.

No getting away from that though. Nasty

Damn straight, bloody awful!! :o

Strathclyde Eagle
07-07-2006, 07:17 PM
This might be the worst beat I've ever seen (short of Funk's guy who got two running sevens earlier in this thread).

http://omenic.blogspot.com/2006/02/my-aa-for-day.html

Billyd
07-07-2006, 09:17 PM
i play down grovesenor casinos quite abit and have seen someone lose 4 of a kind tens to 4 of a kind jacks!

SamTheOldGoat
08-07-2006, 12:17 PM
SICK,
I was playing Grosvenor Brighton, had AQ, ten pound rebuys so bang em in, some guy calls with AJ, another guy had AA...

Flop comes down 2,5,7,q,q

SEND

oz_da II
11-07-2006, 03:05 AM
Won another 90-man satellite on Full Tilt Poker.
It wasn't until I finished that I realised I won't be able to contest the next stage. :clown:

Billyd
11-07-2006, 04:39 PM
- Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/11 - 12:34:55 (ET)
Table '27924496 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DirtyCuban69 (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: Rich Honey (290 in chips)
Seat 4: billyd77 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: 10inchCarl (1980 in chips)
Seat 6: cpt. krazy (5295 in chips)
Seat 7: hotdogjohnny (730 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: nooshoota (270 in chips)
Seat 9: shocker420 (2165 in chips)
cpt. krazy: posts small blind 25
hotdogjohnny: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [As Ac]
nooshoota: raises 220 to 270 and is all-in
shocker420: folds
DirtyCuban69: folds
Rich Honey: folds
billyd77: raises 220 to 490
10inchCarl: folds
cpt. krazy: calls 465
hotdogjohnny: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h Qc 6c]
cpt. krazy: checks
billyd77: bets 970 and is all-in
cpt. krazy: calls 970
*** TURN *** [4h Qc 6c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4h Qc 6c 8h] [5d]
billyd77 said, "**** off"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cpt. krazy: shows [8s 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
billyd77: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
shocker420 said, "lol"
cpt. krazy collected 2380 from side pot
nooshoota: shows [5s Kh] (a pair of Fives)
billyd77 said, "lol what joke"
cpt. krazy collected 860 from main pot
shocker420 said, "ROBBED"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3240 Main pot 860. Side pot 2380. | Rake 0
Board [4h Qc 6c 8h 5d]

Strathclyde Eagle
11-07-2006, 07:28 PM
Possible flush draw (which he doesn't have a piece of) and one overcard on the board and he calls that?! I guess he's quite a way ahead, he can afford to take a chance on you having just overcards or a draw, but he doesn't really need to take a chance and lose 20% of his stack that way.
Originally posted by oz_da II
Won another 90-man satellite on Full Tilt Poker.
It wasn't until I finished that I realised I won't be able to contest the next stage. :clown:
Just curious, what do you think of the standard of play at Full Tilt?

oz_da II
12-07-2006, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Just curious, what do you think of the standard of play at Full Tilt?

I haven't deposited any money there yet. I've played about 7 or 8 "90-man sit n gos" (winning two of them). I think there are about 3 or 4 stages, winner gets a week in Las Vegas and entry into some tournament. The typical sit n go consists of half the field going "all in" in the first few hands. I've just bided my time picking off chips from the big stacks.

I quite like the software. It's mac compatible as well which means I don't have to use my shitty old pc laptop. Think I'll deposit some cash quite soon, although I'm going quite well with my cash games at bet365 and Ladrokes at the moment.

saul1664
12-07-2006, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
- Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/11 - 12:34:55 (ET)
Table '27924496 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DirtyCuban69 (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: Rich Honey (290 in chips)
Seat 4: billyd77 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: 10inchCarl (1980 in chips)
Seat 6: cpt. krazy (5295 in chips)
Seat 7: hotdogjohnny (730 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: nooshoota (270 in chips)
Seat 9: shocker420 (2165 in chips)
cpt. krazy: posts small blind 25
hotdogjohnny: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [As Ac]
nooshoota: raises 220 to 270 and is all-in
shocker420: folds
DirtyCuban69: folds
Rich Honey: folds
billyd77: raises 220 to 490
10inchCarl: folds
cpt. krazy: calls 465
hotdogjohnny: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h Qc 6c]
cpt. krazy: checks
billyd77: bets 970 and is all-in
cpt. krazy: calls 970
*** TURN *** [4h Qc 6c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4h Qc 6c 8h] [5d]
billyd77 said, "**** off"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cpt. krazy: shows [8s 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
billyd77: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
shocker420 said, "lol"
cpt. krazy collected 2380 from side pot
nooshoota: shows [5s Kh] (a pair of Fives)
billyd77 said, "lol what joke"
cpt. krazy collected 860 from main pot
shocker420 said, "ROBBED"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3240 Main pot 860. Side pot 2380. | Rake 0
Board [4h Qc 6c 8h 5d]

One of the reasons I hate getting involved early on with any hand (at least until blinds are 75/150), got KK cracked by A3 with 245 on flop, and secondly by A6, though quite amusing to call all-in with QQ (short stacked) to get called by KK flop KJJ turn J :eek:

saul1664
13-07-2006, 09:26 PM
dammit 88 cracked by 9J with straight on river, out in 81st, just out of money, 500 starters as well

Strathclyde Eagle
13-07-2006, 10:28 PM
That's the Brighton shareholder out of the $50k H.O.R.S.E. event. :lux:

KevTheOptimist
13-07-2006, 10:41 PM
What does H O R S E mean?

Funk Butter
13-07-2006, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
- Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/11 - 12:34:55 (ET)
Table '27924496 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DirtyCuban69 (1310 in chips)
Seat 3: Rich Honey (290 in chips)
Seat 4: billyd77 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: 10inchCarl (1980 in chips)
Seat 6: cpt. krazy (5295 in chips)
Seat 7: hotdogjohnny (730 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: nooshoota (270 in chips)
Seat 9: shocker420 (2165 in chips)
cpt. krazy: posts small blind 25
hotdogjohnny: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [As Ac]
nooshoota: raises 220 to 270 and is all-in
shocker420: folds
DirtyCuban69: folds
Rich Honey: folds
billyd77: raises 220 to 490
10inchCarl: folds
cpt. krazy: calls 465
hotdogjohnny: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h Qc 6c]
cpt. krazy: checks
billyd77: bets 970 and is all-in
cpt. krazy: calls 970
*** TURN *** [4h Qc 6c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4h Qc 6c 8h] [5d]
billyd77 said, "**** off"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cpt. krazy: shows [8s 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
billyd77: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
shocker420 said, "lol"
cpt. krazy collected 2380 from side pot
nooshoota: shows [5s Kh] (a pair of Fives)
billyd77 said, "lol what joke"
cpt. krazy collected 860 from main pot
shocker420 said, "ROBBED"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3240 Main pot 860. Side pot 2380. | Rake 0
Board [4h Qc 6c 8h 5d]
Couple of things that I would have done differently on both sides. If I was you, I probably would have gone all in pre-flop. I don't like just doubling the previous raise there. The 88 is getting decent odds to make that call if he thinks you just have 2 overcards. (We are assuming that the all-in player is desperate and can go in with anything.) Having said that I would have been tempted in that case to put you all-in pre-flop. Or do what he did and see the flop and hope for nothing too scary. After that flop, then I probably put you all-in. If I think you have 2 over cards, there is a good chance that flop has missed you. But you go all-in as you should, but he only has to put in $970 into a $2200 pot where if he thinks you have 2 over cards, he has to call. Having said all that, I'm thinking that if you had gone all-in pre-flop he would have called anyway, he has enough chips that he thinks its worth a shot. Maybe.

DANCOO
13-07-2006, 10:44 PM
Given poker a rest for around a week, ventured back this evening and surprise surprise, I get my all-in KK called by 44...the flop gives him quads.:rolleyes: :grrr:

Funk Butter
13-07-2006, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
What does H O R S E mean?
H.O.R.S.E. is an acronym for (H)old'em (Limit); (O)maha (Hi/Lo); (R)azz; (S)tud; (E)ight or better Stud (Hi/Lo).

saul1664
14-07-2006, 08:08 PM
rivered again JA vs 44 J on flop 4 on river

Strathclyde Eagle
14-07-2006, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
H.O.R.S.E. is an acronym for (H)old'em (Limit); (O)maha (Hi/Lo); (R)azz; (S)tud; (E)ight or better Stud (Hi/Lo).
And Mr Brunson could be on for bracelet no. 11...

DANCOO
14-07-2006, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
rivered again JA vs 44 J on flop 4 on river

Saul, it appears you do what I tend to do also, and that is put all your chips in the middle with marginal hands.
During a tournament I might get all my chips in the middle maybe ten times or more (I have no idea about that figure), with the best hand, but when you're talking a 55% or 60% favourite, eventually you are going to get outdrawn, and you can guarantee it will be by the big stack.
I think I need to start being slightly less agressive pre-flop, and more agressive post-flop.

DANCOO
14-07-2006, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
And Mr Brunson could be on for bracelet no. 11...

Is this on one of the freebie sky channels?

saul1664
14-07-2006, 08:57 PM
first time, folds before me apart from one, 3 to play, raised all in, fairly short stacked on 88, opponent risked 1/3 of stack to call with J9 offsuit, annoying as I'd played tight all game so must have put me on a hand.

Second time 3 left, fairly short stacked, all in on JA suited, 44 held up, yesterday KA got beaten by 33, so not going overly well. Generally I do try to cop a set with pairs and tend not to overplay them until later stages of tournaments.

saul1664
14-07-2006, 08:59 PM
now 10 A vs 6 A, 6 on turn

Strathclyde Eagle
14-07-2006, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Is this on one of the freebie sky channels?
Official website (http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/home/default.sps) - he's second with the final table starting tonight.

oz_da II
15-07-2006, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Official website (http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/home/default.sps) - he's second with the final table starting tonight.

Very impressive final table.

1- Jim Bechtel $841,000

2- Doyle Brunson $1,227,000

3- Chip Reese $1,756,000

4- Dewey Tomko $438,000

5- Andy Bloch $934,000

6- T.J. Cloutier $351,000

7- David Singer $745,000

8- Patrik Antonius $13,000

9- Phil Ivey $885,000

Strathclyde Eagle
15-07-2006, 08:22 AM
I think that was part of the reason it was a $50k entry. It was meant to be a star studded event, given that the main event has become somewhat of a minefield.

Reese and Ivey still in it, four left.

DANCOO
15-07-2006, 07:07 PM
What a surprise!

$25 Freezeout.

Early, couple of limpers, I raise 5 x bb with AK, one of them folds, one of them calls.

Flop comes Kh 6h Ks

Player in front checks, I check (trying to lay a bit of a trap).

Turn come a 3h.

He bets two thirds pot, I don't reckon he's got the flush, plus I'm holding the Ah so I put him all-in.

He calls...holding a pair of f*cking 33's.:rolleyes: :grrr:

DANCOO
16-07-2006, 06:11 PM
Played a couple of tourney's recently, and although I've not finished in the money, I feel my game is starting to come back. Just won a STT for entry to The Daddy tournament on Tuesday, so I've got a couple of days to fine tune:)

Strathclyde Eagle
16-07-2006, 09:05 PM
Wonderful, just had a guy re-raise me when I was holding a set of Aces. :lux:

A few hands prior to that I'd called with a suited ace in late position. The flop came with two jacks and he raised (acting first). I didn't think he had a jack in his hand, but I had nothing so I laid it down pretty easily. I think he thought he could push me about. Oops.

Possible lesson? Short-term losses can benefit in the long-run (sometimes).

DANCOO
16-07-2006, 09:31 PM
Playing a perfect game, four hours into a tourney, final table.

I'm 7/8 and get dealt AA.

One raiser 5 x BB, one caller, I go all-in (about 2.5 x pot).
One folds, one calls holding AKs
Hits his flush on the river :rolleyes:(with the board having paired also, I was 75% favourite before the river).
That would have put me in third place, with first place getting ADDED WSOP place as well as the normal paid places.
Gutted, was definately the best player on that table, and coming close to playing a shorthand game I was already thinking about first place.:(
Still, first final table for a few weeks, so at least I can see my game improving, and I know exactly how I've done it.

'Harrington on Hold'em' is all well and good for advanced live play, but it just doesn't transfer well enough to online play. You get no respect for clever moves and bluffs and you just can't fool people online.
I've gone back to simple, straight forward poker, and it appears to be working.:p

saul1664
16-07-2006, 09:44 PM
Played pretty tight all game in MTT, get KK, raised and call by both players next to me, all-in pot 3 way, one turns over QK other AA, all over, constantly outdrawn at the moment.

DANCOO
16-07-2006, 09:56 PM
Won entry to a $100 buy-in tourney earlier on.

Been playing about 8 minutes.

I call an all-in holding QQ, he's got JJ...........you should know the rest by now.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

WHAT THE •••• IS HAPPENING!!!

DANCOO
16-07-2006, 09:59 PM
I no longer get ANY solace from getting all my chips in with the best hand, I do it all the time and get outdrawn all the time...C*NTS!

Reps AJ
17-07-2006, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
'Harrington on Hold'em' is all well and good for advanced live play, but it just doesn't transfer well enough to online play. You get no respect for clever moves and bluffs and you just can't fool people online.
I've gone back to simple, straight forward poker, and it appears to be working.:p

I think you're right to an extent, people are either too blind to see what other people are doing and get caught up with their own hand or just don't seem to care and will call an all-in with any old rubbish (relatively speaking). So many times when I win a hand and I see what I've been called with and I think "what on earth did you think I had that you thought you could beat me with a pair of 2s?"

Son of Selhurst
17-07-2006, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I no longer get ANY solace from getting all my chips in with the best hand, I do it all the time and get outdrawn all the time...C*NTS!

Are you playing the same site all the time?

If so, heed my (much laughed at) advice about the sites rating players...

DANCOO
17-07-2006, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Are you playing the same site all the time?

If so, heed my (much laughed at) advice about the sites rating players...

Surely you have to accept that no-one is going to believe any such statement without proof...have you any?

saul1664
17-07-2006, 02:48 PM
tons more flops than live game + players calling with anything + no one folding to any bluff + players not knowing what pot odds, implied odds are and putting bad value bets in = outdraw city

saul1664
17-07-2006, 04:56 PM
cash game, two players bet (i folded), big raise before the flop, matched, then a $62 all-in, caller holding queens, matched, cards over, original raise from QQ, other hand has 45 suited, flop 4 5 7, takes the money down, wtf? from QQ hand, 45 shouldn't have called the pre-flop raise but goes to show you, you can never discount crap players

DANCOO
17-07-2006, 05:04 PM
I think this thread should be re-named the DANCOO & saul1664 badbeat thread. :D

saul1664
17-07-2006, 05:25 PM
wasn't my bad beat, but was spectacularly bad play by both players, funnily as my tournament game has improved (up until recently) my cash game has gone down the pan

saul1664
17-07-2006, 11:35 PM
13th now, top ten paid, hmmmmm

DANCOO
18-07-2006, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Won entry to a $100 buy-in tourney earlier on.

Been playing about 8 minutes.

I call an all-in holding QQ, he's got JJ...........you should know the rest by now.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

WHAT THE •••• IS HAPPENING!!!

SNAP!!!

••••••• •••••

Me KK all-in, called by JJ

WHAT A ••••••• SHOCK TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT ON THE FLOP!!!

gadford4th
18-07-2006, 11:11 PM
Question to all the online poker fans,

Do you play with a face card and a low number card?

ie. Kh 6d

saul1664
18-07-2006, 11:12 PM
Tournaments killing me, nice chip stack early, I'm in the big blind with A2 suited, get in fairly cheap, A on flop, not much action, 3 x BB, called all-in, only another 200 to call, called all in by 8 10 h, flop 1 h, turn h, river h, next hand, AK reveals low board, go all in, called all-in by 34, 3 on turn, out of tourney.

Went back to STT 6 handed tables, doing okay, building fair cash balance up again, get to heads up, very evenly matched, up and down for 20 mins, A7 suited go all in, QK turned over, A on flop, runner runner for 10 J Q K A straight. When is it all going to end?

saul1664
18-07-2006, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by gadford4th
Question to all the online poker fans,

Do you play with a face card and a low number card?

ie. Kh 6d

you shouldn't, will get you into all sorts of trouble, but occasionally play cards like this to mix game up so don't appear too predictable, or if you can get in cheap BB, SB, I'd want at least suited before playing. Late stages of tournaments, or heads up, I'd raise aggressively JQKA + reasonable kicker anyway.

saul1664
18-07-2006, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
SNAP!!!

••••••• •••••

Me KK all-in, called by JJ

WHAT A ••••••• SHOCK TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT ON THE FLOP!!!

In latest tourney, folded 99 to a 4 x BB raise and all-in raise, put the first on AK (was right), didn't want to take on second, turned over KK, pleased with myself, get 10 10 next hand, go all-in (fairly short stacked), he turns over A8, flop A 8 5, and A on turn to rub it in!

DANCOO
19-07-2006, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by gadford4th
Question to all the online poker fans,

Do you play with a face card and a low number card?

ie. Kh 6d

Pretty much what saul said.

Early stages, forget about it. I would even maybe throw it if I was small blind and just needed to make a small call for value if there were a few others in the pot - I don't want to get involved too early with difficult cards.
If a K comes on the flop I've got a terrible kicker and it's feasable one of the others have a better K - I need to bet to find out.
If a K and an A comes on the flop, lots of people tend to play any A, so once again I don't know where I am in the hand without having to bet straight off.
If a 6 comes on the flop with two over cards, once again you're probably behind.
If the flop is low with a 6 the highest card then that's slightly better, but there could still be an overpair out there or somone playing their 'any A' with A6.
You're hoping to flop K6 for two pair, but the chances of getting that flop + the chances of winning enough chips to make it a valuable regular play are extremely low.
In the latter stages of tournaments with low chips stacks, you may be forced to call for value, when you get shorthand (maybe 3 or 4 players remaining), then it becomes a lot better of a hand, heads-up you're probably leading with it pre-flop.

DANCOO
19-07-2006, 11:38 AM
Final table sitting in second.

I re-raise with 10 10, get called by AKs
He hits a flush.
I'm now 6/6 with virtually nothing.
Scramble my way up to a playable stack.
I go all-in with AQ, get one caller (I win this I'm third), he has A9.
He hits his flush on the river with his 9h :rolleyes:
I go out in sixth.

Although I did get lucky to outdraw AQ with AJ for all my chips mid tourney...two consecutive flushes take me out:grrr:

Strathclyde Eagle
19-07-2006, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Pretty much what saul said.

Early stages, forget about it. I would even maybe throw it if I was small blind and just needed to make a small call for value if there were a few others in the pot - I don't want to get involved too early with difficult cards.
If a K comes on the flop I've got a terrible kicker and it's feasable one of the others have a better K - I need to bet to find out.
If a K and an A comes on the flop, lots of people tend to play any A, so once again I don't know where I am in the hand without having to bet straight off.
If a 6 comes on the flop with two over cards, once again you're probably behind.
If the flop is low with a 6 the highest card then that's slightly better, but there could still be an overpair out there or somone playing their 'any A' with A6.
You're hoping to flop K6 for two pair, but the chances of getting that flop + the chances of winning enough chips to make it a valuable regular play are extremely low.
In the latter stages of tournaments with low chips stacks, you may be forced to call for value, when you get shorthand (maybe 3 or 4 players remaining), then it becomes a lot better of a hand, heads-up you're probably leading with it pre-flop.
Pretty comprehensive! :)

I'm pretty much the same. What I might do sometimes - and only if I've not played a hand for a while - is to call with this in late position. If a King comes on the flop then you can sometimes see if you've outdrawn someone who was aggressive pre-flop with a pair of jacks, tens, etc. If they only call your re-raise then you're looking in pretty good shape.

It isn't something I do much, just to mix things up very occasionally.

Son of Selhurst
19-07-2006, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Surely you have to accept that no-one is going to believe any such statement without proof...have you any?

I think you yourself are supplying the proof!

DANCOO
19-07-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
I think you yourself are supplying the proof!

How am I supplying the proof of 'player ratings'?

I have been letting off some steam by posting some bad beats recently, but in the above example, the bad beat is balanced where I dished one out earlier in the tournament.

As everyone says, you only ever remember your bad beats, not the times when you yourself get lucky.

KevTheOptimist
19-07-2006, 10:01 PM
Am on your table on betfair Saul lol

saul1664
19-07-2006, 10:26 PM
i can see you

PoolKing
19-07-2006, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
I think you yourself are supplying the proof!

I don't agree with your view that online poker is rigged. I have questioned the integrity when I have suffered almost impossible strings of bad beats but when I calm down I just don't see how it can be 'fixed' and don't see any proper reasons for them to do it.

You are entitled to your opinion and I won't mock you for it but please could you elaborate how you think it is rigged and why? Knowing that sites 'rate' players isn't proof on its own, how do they rate them and what purpose does it serve?

Son of Selhurst
19-07-2006, 10:54 PM
ok, I clicked on the dreaded "Withdraw" button last week

Went back in tonight with what I had left

PoolKing
19-07-2006, 10:56 PM
LMAO!!!! As I type that last post check out this hand history......I am Poolio22

Game #3057033604: Hold'em NL (£0.50/£1) - 2006/07/19 - 23:50:20 (GMT)
Table "Maniac" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Kissesxxx (£49.24 in chips)
Seat 2: Poolio22 (£149 in chips)
Seat 3: jackmoor (£249.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Joppe187 (£150 in chips)
Seat 5: Pheonix80 (£198.24 in chips)
Seat 6: Stonecold (£111.75 in chips)
Kissesxxx: posts small blind £0.50
Poolio22: posts big blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Poolio22 [Ad As]
jackmoor: folds
Joppe187: calls £1
Pheonix80: folds
Stonecold: raises to £3
Kissesxxx: folds
Poolio22: raises to £10
Joppe187: raises to £33
Stonecold: folds
Poolio22: raises to £149 and is all-in
Joppe187: calls £116
----- FLOP ----- [5s 5c 3h]
----- TURN ----- [5s 5c 3h][Qd]
----- RIVER ----- [5s 5c 3h Qd][Qh]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Poolio22: shows [Ad As] (Two Pairs, Aces and Queens, Five high)
Joppe187: shows [Qs Qc] (Four of a kind, Queens, Five high)
Joppe187 collects £298.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £301.50 Main pot £298.50 Rake £3
Board [5s 5c 3h Qd Qh]
Seat 1: Kissesxxx (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Poolio22 (big blind) showed [Ad As] and lost
Seat 3: jackmoor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Joppe187 showed [Qs Qc] and won (£298.50) with Four of a kind, Queens, Five high
Seat 5: Pheonix80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Stonecold (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
****HAND ENDS****

:veryangry :D

Son of Selhurst
19-07-2006, 10:58 PM
Just after I joined, Fletcher79 joined the table. We played 3 hands.

saul1664
19-07-2006, 11:00 PM
out in 41st, £2.48 lol, kev still going

saul1664
19-07-2006, 11:02 PM
pretty bad hand earlier today

have 99, blinds 50/100, a few 100's in, raise 4 x BB, everyone folds apart from one, flop comes 3 6 7, first for action, go all-in, called, he turns over 4 5 for the straight and I'm out. What sort of mong calls 4 x the BB on 45.

Son of Selhurst
19-07-2006, 11:05 PM
PokerStars Game #5613272939: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/07/19 - 18:48:32 (ET)
Table 'Prylis II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Fletcher79 ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 2: rexy ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 3: nbg-master ($52.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Rocco1940 ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Blartman ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 6: cbl30 ($15.25 in chips)
Rocco1940: posts small blind $0.25
Blartman: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Jd Qs]
cbl30: folds
Fletcher79: raises $0.50 to $1
rexy: calls $1
nbg-master: folds
Rocco1940: folds
Blartman: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Qc Kh Jc]
Blartman: bets $0.50
Fletcher79: raises $0.50 to $1
rexy: folds
Blartman: raises $0.50 to $1.50
Fletcher79: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Qc Kh Jc] [2c]
Blartman: bets $1
Fletcher79: raises $1 to $2
Blartman: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [Qc Kh Jc 2c] [Ad]
Blartman: checks
Fletcher79: bets $1
Blartman: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Fletcher79: shows [Ac Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
Blartman: mucks hand
Fletcher79 collected $11.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.25 | Rake $0.50
Board [Qc Kh Jc 2c Ad]
Seat 1: Fletcher79 showed [Ac Ah] and won ($11.75) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: rexy folded on the Flop
Seat 3: nbg-master (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rocco1940 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Blartman (big blind) mucked [Jd Qs]
Seat 6: cbl30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
l30 (big blind) folded on the Flop


*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #5613283195: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/07/19 - 18:49:30 (ET)
Table 'Prylis II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Fletcher79 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: rexy ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 3: nbg-master ($52.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Rocco1940 ($27.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Blartman ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: cbl30 ($15.25 in chips)
Blartman: posts small blind $0.25
cbl30: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [4c 2c]
Fletcher79: folds
rexy: folds
nbg-master: raises $0.50 to $1
Rocco1940: calls $1
Blartman: calls $0.75
cbl30: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [7s 4h As]
Blartman: checks
cbl30: checks
nbg-master: checks
Rocco1940: bets $0.50
Blartman: folds
cbl30: folds
nbg-master: folds
Rocco1940 collected $4 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4 | Rake $0
Board [7s 4h As]
Seat 1: Fletcher79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rexy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nbg-master folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Rocco1940 (button) collected ($4)
Seat 5: Blartman (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: cbl30 (big blind) folded on the Flop



PokerStars Game #5613289241: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/07/19 - 18:50:04 (ET)
Table 'Prylis II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Fletcher79 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: rexy ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 3: nbg-master ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Rocco1940 ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Blartman ($9 in chips)
Seat 6: cbl30 ($14.25 in chips)
cbl30: posts small blind $0.25
Fletcher79: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Kd Td]
rexy: folds
nbg-master: folds
Rocco1940: calls $0.50
Blartman: raises $0.50 to $1
cbl30: calls $0.75
Fletcher79: raises $0.50 to $1.50
Rocco1940: calls $1
Blartman: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
cbl30: folds
Fletcher79: calls $0.50
Rocco1940: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [7s Kc 3s]
Fletcher79: bets $0.50
Rocco1940: calls $0.50
Blartman: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [7s Kc 3s] [9d]
Fletcher79: bets $1
Rocco1940: calls $1
Blartman: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [7s Kc 3s 9d] [3c]
Fletcher79: bets $1
Rocco1940: calls $1
Blartman: raises $1 to $2
Fletcher79: raises $1 to $3
Rocco1940: folds
Blartman: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
Fletcher79: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blartman: shows [Kd Td] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
Fletcher79: shows [Ac Ah] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
Fletcher79 collected $19.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.50 | Rake $1
Board [7s Kc 3s 9d 3c]
Seat 1: Fletcher79 (big blind) showed [Ac Ah] and won ($19.50) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 2: rexy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nbg-master folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rocco1940 folded on the River
Seat 5: Blartman (button) showed [Kd Td] and lost with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 6: cbl30 (small blind) folded before Flop


Check out Fletcher. Both times I hit two pair and BOTH times he hit AA with EXACTLY the same cards. In 3 hands.......

saul1664
19-07-2006, 11:05 PM
kev just hit the 10JQKA straight, got 33K now, should finish top ten, too late for me, i'm off

Son of Selhurst
19-07-2006, 11:06 PM
btw , I'm Blartman

David Amsalem
19-07-2006, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
I think you yourself are supplying the proof!

Give it a rest if you're not going to supply any proof. We all suffer bad beats, its part of playing poker.

Son of Selhurst
19-07-2006, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
pretty bad hand earlier today

have 99, blinds 50/100, a few 100's in, raise 4 x BB, everyone folds apart from one, flop comes 3 6 7, first for action, go all-in, called, he turns over 4 5 for the straight and I'm out. What sort of mong calls 4 x the BB on 45.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm