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saul1664
31-10-2006, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
just entering the 1 chip tourney at ladbrokes if you are in the blinds you are all in

that was quick

Micky Spilane
31-10-2006, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
just entering the 1 chip tourney at ladbrokes if you are in the blinds you are all in

Can't really see the point of those, just a quick way to lose money surely!

Strathclyde Eagle
31-10-2006, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
The new betfair software is shicking IMO. What you lot think
Just played a STT on it. I agree with you Kev, thought it was awful. What's with the pauses between games? It was about twelve minutes before one player was eliminated, no indication when the blinds were going up (too slowly when I wanted a quick game).

Every 400 points you earn for 60 days becomes a $10 bonus. Where can you find your points balance? Nowhere that I can see.

Not impressed so far.

David Amsalem
31-10-2006, 09:19 PM
Definately agree with what you guys are saying in re: to bankroll, definately.

But there is even less point playing the $2 etc games as you may as well go play bingo. So it quite a cache 22 wouldn't you agree?

Son of Selhurst
31-10-2006, 10:08 PM
Just started a $10 re-buy tourney on PokerStars, $1500 starting chips with $10 add-ons below the starting stack.

A few mins in, blinds have just gone to $15/$30 yet look at the chip leader.... How?

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/9269/poker1vt0.gif

DANCOO
31-10-2006, 10:10 PM
Playing a freezeout on Laddies.

I'm SB holding 88.
Mid pos raise, then someone goes all-in. I immediately put the caller on AK, but don't know about the other bloke, so fold. Other bloke calls - AK v AK. I would have trebled up.
Couple of hands later I'm UTG with AK. Raise it 4 x BB. Table chip leader raises it 1,500. Next guy pushes all-in. I'm still thinking about my last missed opportunity, and make a really poor call as I know I'm behind.
My AK v first raiser with AK v last guy with AA.

I have the Ac, next bloke has the Kc...you know what's coming. :)
Bloke with AA actually took it quite well.

Yep, all clubs on the flop and one on the river.:D

DANCOO
31-10-2006, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Just started a $10 re-buy tourney on PokerStars, $1500 starting chips with $10 add-ons below the starting stack.

A few mins in, blinds have just gone to $15/$30 yet look at the chip leader.... How?

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/9269/poker1vt0.gif

That is just ridiculous.

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2006, 10:37 PM
Sweet Dan ;)

The screenshot of Stars is just standard, SO agressive in those rebuys!

How you getting on SOS?

Son of Selhurst
31-10-2006, 11:04 PM
Out. Chip leader on my table was calling with all sorts of crap and still drawing out on everyone.

Last hand for me is pair of 10's

Flop is x x 10 I'm all-in

He's got AK

Turn J

River........

KevTheOptimist
31-10-2006, 11:11 PM
Dan. When you d/l something that has loads of winrar files all you have to do is unzip 1 of them, i usually cose the first one. It's weird but it always works for me....

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2006, 11:46 PM
Would you call your stack with JJ like this, I feel with my raises I'm pretty much TELLING him I've got AA....

A poker hand (http://www.pokerhand.org/?586217)

Check my stack on compared to the blinds, this is after 250 hands grinding in front of TV! If your not making as much money as you have been, move down levels, or when you can't concentrate as much as I've been watching TV and films tonight!

DANCOO
31-10-2006, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Dan. When you d/l something that has loads of winrar files all you have to do is unzip 1 of them, i usually cose the first one. It's weird but it always works for me....
Cheers, I'll try that next time.:p

DANCOO
31-10-2006, 11:55 PM
Really struggling approaching the cash on Laddies.
I've made about four or five big moves in the whole tourney to steal the blinds with at least one continuation bet on each flop, and I've been raised virtually all-in on three of them, and flat called to the river on the other.
It's not like I could take the a chance on the pot odds either, because I have spectacularly missed every single flop.:rolleyes:

DANCOO
31-10-2006, 11:57 PM
And out.

KevTheOptimist
01-11-2006, 12:03 AM
Poxy betfair. One minute im on a cash table. the next minute it's gone and i cant find it in the lobby again. its like my table just vanished.

I cant work out how to get on the waiting list for all tables of a certain stake as well.

This is getting very frustrating.

KevTheOptimist
01-11-2006, 12:05 AM
And the minimum SnG available at the moment is a $825 buy in

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 12:07 AM
PS, If anyone sharkscopes me, NO, I don't play tournaments anymore, cash only and I'm pretty successful at that ;)

KevTheOptimist
01-11-2006, 12:17 AM
Unreal:

Where can I find my hand history?
The hand history feature is currently not available on the new software. However, Betfair Poker will be introducing this feature in the near future.

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 01:14 AM
ERR.... WTF?!??!

Get off turd Betfair ASAP! Best move I ever made!

DANCOO
01-11-2006, 01:20 AM
Downloading the High Stakes Poker torrents is taking forever, and that's only when I can actually find them.

Well there's a bloke on eBay (nothing to do with me I might add), who is selling series 1 & 2 and series 2 on it's own.

Just do a search on 'High Stakes Poker', and it will show up in the DVD section.:p

Son of Selhurst
01-11-2006, 10:17 AM
Reached my ceiling on PokerStars last night and got every hand called with rubbish that then out-drew me.

Every time I got called pre-flop I knew I'd lost the hand.

Only had AA once, and everyone suddenly folded before it got to me in the BB, where previously they'd been calling with hands like J9os, A4, Q3 etc...

Down $300 on the night....

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 10:30 AM
What stakes on this and what sort raise do you make in position and out of position with QQ QK KK AK AA?

citizen sane
01-11-2006, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Definately agree with what you guys are saying in re: to bankroll, definately.

But there is even less point playing the $2 etc games as you may as well go play bingo. So it quite a cache 22 wouldn't you agree?

Yes , but your not making any money on the $10 tables either by the sounds of it .

It is possible to make money on the $2 tables , just play a tight -aggressive game until level 3 /4 by only playing premium hands and playing them hard pre-flop .

By level 3/4 your normally down to four or five players then you can change gears and open your game right up . The complete muppets have normally gone by then and the players that are left will usually respect your raises a bit more because you have given a tight table image .

If you've been watching the game closely then by the time the blinds are 25/50 ,50/100 75/150 you should have a reasonable read on how your opponents play their game and you can use this info to your advantage .

Also the standard doesn't really increase from $2 -$10 either in my experience , your still going to get lunatics at $10 albeit a few less normally .

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 10:48 AM
Indeed, David, if you saw a post above of mine, last night I played 0.10/0.25 cash, a lot lower than my usual stakes but was watching TV and chatting so not concentrating, I played 6 handed and not any old crap and walked away with over $200 from putting $25 on the table a few hours before, now that's a nice ROI

citizen sane
01-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Been playing a few games of Omaha in the last couple of days after reading up on it .

I'm down a bit money wise but I expected that . Amazing how many good hands are run down by people having the cast iron nuts .

Also the starting hand requirements are totally different from Hold'em .

Interesting game though .

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 12:05 PM
When you feel you know a lot about it, get onto Omaha HI LO!

saul1664
01-11-2006, 12:48 PM
Betfair not a favourite of mine at the moment, 59 player tourney (which I won) took 3 hours 49 minutes to complete, which is ridiculous, though after KK ran into AA AGAIN, I had 512 chips on final table, chip leader had 53K with 6 in play, but managed to turn in around, got to heads up which took at least 45 mins, was double chip stack of other guy THREE times before going behind each time before finally cracked him.

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 01:15 PM
Congrats Saul, great turnaround....

WTF-You can do a 180 seater in less time than that on Stars!

Micky Spilane
01-11-2006, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Really struggling approaching the cash on Laddies.
I've made about four or five big moves in the whole tourney to steal the blinds with at least one continuation bet on each flop, and I've been raised virtually all-in on three of them, and flat called to the river on the other.
It's not like I could take the a chance on the pot odds either, because I have spectacularly missed every single flop.:rolleyes:

You seem to be mirroring my fortune at the moment on Laddies, my run of hole cards has been dire, if and when the first card is a face card I now expect the second to be a 2,3 or 4 os. As for getting a pair on my hole cards forget it. It's becoming increasingly frustrating hitting the fold button time after time.

Last night in pure desperation I actually called a raise with 8 5 os and flopped 8's full of 5's, crap play by me I know but about the only hand I've won recently. I think there might have been another BBSer at the table because he wrote wp Micky. Anyway rant over, I might give it a rest for a few days and come back refreshed and more patient.

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 04:11 PM
How about multi table and then youll hit more hands, get more hands and won't get so bored....?

Micky Spilane
01-11-2006, 05:27 PM
Yeah might try that, not on Turbo's though!

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 05:54 PM
LOL, Played 6 tables on turbos the other day, 9 handed, absolute carnage!

Right chaps, I can now set up private tournaments on stars and planning to run one in the next couple of nights.

Minimum buy in is $10 but I can make it larger.

Would anyone be interested, what's the best time for you, what day. NL format I assume?!?

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 05:56 PM
May I suggest you d/l pokerstars.com if you haven't used it as of yet to get used to the software :)

David Amsalem
01-11-2006, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Yes , but your not making any money on the $10 tables either by the sounds of it .

It is possible to make money on the $2 tables , just play a tight -aggressive game until level 3 /4 by only playing premium hands and playing them hard pre-flop .

By level 3/4 your normally down to four or five players then you can change gears and open your game right up . The complete muppets have normally gone by then and the players that are left will usually respect your raises a bit more because you have given a tight table image .

If you've been watching the game closely then by the time the blinds are 25/50 ,50/100 75/150 you should have a reasonable read on how your opponents play their game and you can use this info to your advantage .

Also the standard doesn't really increase from $2 -$10 either in my experience , your still going to get lunatics at $10 albeit a few less normally .

Good post and good advice.

Tbh, I've actually made a real good profit playing the 10 STT but tend to withdraw it regulary as I prefer to spend it. I hadn't played for ages and just whacked in my money (playing for the first time in a while) and lost it all to horrodous players.

My money tends to last a lot longer then that!

PS - interested in the $10 game :D :p

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 06:37 PM
Good good, what day and time etc?

Micky Spilane
01-11-2006, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
PS - interested in the $10 game :D :p

Weekdays Mon-Thurs after 10 p.m. would suit me as would $10 STT. What's the minimum deposit for Poker Stars?

Strathclyde Eagle
01-11-2006, 07:53 PM
Don't you just hate it when you fold 9c8c because there's significant action in front of you and the flop then comes 7-10-J? :bash:

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2006, 09:18 PM
Micky, it's 50 bucks with a 100% bonus at the moment....

SamTheOldGoat
02-11-2006, 12:18 AM
Just played a $3 rebuy on Stars, 2050 runners, ended up 85th for 50 or so 1st was 6k, lost AJss to K10ss, the massive stack and I wanted to double up to get right into the top 15..... anyway, a long session but played real well, and pretty much the first tourny, STT or MTT I've played in AGES

Was chuffed with hand below.....

CLICK ME PLEASEEEEEE! (http://www.pokerhand.org/?587890)

SamTheOldGoat
02-11-2006, 01:53 PM
OK!

Private tournament ALL set up. First is being held on Monday 6th Novemeber at 9pm UK time.

Buy in is $10 and should be a bit of fun, asked a few friends off other forums

To register you click on

TOURNEY > PRIVATE > SCROLL TO 6TH NOV IN DATE ORDER.....

As Pokerstars is a US company, PLEASE search for private tournaments and under Goat's PRIVATE TOURNAMENT starting at 3pm USA time (9PM UK TIME), register by clicking register.

PASSWORD= eagles (SMAL CASE)

Let's get the BBS poker competition back online, I think it could be a fun event and not life and death at 10 bucks. If higher stakes are wanted, we can raise the bar in another week..

Feedback?

DANCOO
02-11-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Just played a $3 rebuy on Stars, 2050 runners, ended up 85th for 50 or so 1st was 6k, lost AJss to K10ss, the massive stack and I wanted to double up to get right into the top 15..... anyway, a long session but played real well, and pretty much the first tourny, STT or MTT I've played in AGES

Was chuffed with hand below.....

CLICK ME PLEASEEEEEE! (http://www.pokerhand.org/?587890)

Nicely played.:p
That hand would definately have warranted a show.

SamTheOldGoat
02-11-2006, 06:53 PM
Thank you......

Going to play in the little tourny Dan?

SamTheOldGoat
02-11-2006, 07:17 PM
PS, Dan, see who that bluff was against, check his name :D

SamTheOldGoat
03-11-2006, 10:02 PM
PING for the tournament I'm organising, going to open it to a few others forums....

SamTheOldGoat
03-11-2006, 11:23 PM
My best mate is on CHALLENGE TV now, in Interpoker Studnet competition!

Takes it down too, Mike Mottram in blue shirt ;)

DANCOO
03-11-2006, 11:33 PM
In a big satellite, and I doubled up with a play which I meant, but sort of got lucky aswell, and can't decide whether it was 'potentially' a good play, or just pretty stupid.

I'm BB with 10h 5c. Average stack, villain has my stack + 1/2.
There is a raise from mid pos from the villain who has raised my blind a couple of times before, who I have folded too. All fold round to me.
I decide on this occasion to defend my blind, and try and set up move for later in the hand, coupled with the fact I don't think he has a particulary strong hand.
I call his raise.
The flop comes down something like 6 8 K rainbow.
I check, he bets 1 1/2 x BB.
I put him on 'nothing' but decide to flat call, and then raise his assumed bet on the turn if nothing too scary comes up.
Turn brings a 10 giving me a pair.
I push all-in and he calls....with A9o!!!
The river misses him, and I double up.
I was expecting cries of 'muff' to come out, but there were none :)

Now, I was correct in my assumption that he had nothing (the call he made was too bigger odds for the gutshot straight draw), but had I not hit my 10, he would still have called my (what would have been a re-raise, not just an immediate push), and beaten me with A high.

Was the theory behind the play viable?

SamTheOldGoat
03-11-2006, 11:50 PM
Hmmmm... let me have a think about it! Playing atm

DANCOO
04-11-2006, 12:10 AM
Chancer just pushed all-in with AJ as he was near the blinds, I'm in BB and call with QQ...A on the river.:veryangry
Had I avoided that A I would have been chip leader, and would have been an absolute shoe-in to get my $1,000 final seat. Instead, I am stiing in 30/32, with only top 15 getting the seat.:veryangry :veryangry

DANCOO
04-11-2006, 12:15 AM
Now I am really ••••ed off.

I push all-in UTG with A 10.

Get a caller - A 8.

Flop comes down and gives me my 10...unfortunately it give the other •••• (who has been calling EVERYTHING), a ••••••• flush!!! :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 10:21 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DANCOO
[B]Now I am really ••••ed off.

Me too :veryangry

In four out the last five tournies entered I've been bust out on the river when ahead after the chips went in .

This one hurt :(

- Haahr sitting in seat 1 with $3870.00
- kirstybilly sitting in seat 2 with $18600.00
- Watty101 sitting in seat 3 with $6915.00
- Mandy1958 sitting in seat 4 with $21585.00 [Dealer]
- betsyboo sitting in seat 5 with $16400.00
- spizz80 sitting in seat 6 with $11895.00
- Centaurus sitting in seat 7 with $4930.00
- jamie5881 sitting in seat 8 with $7225.00
- alchrist sitting in seat 9 with $12295.00

betsyboo posted the small blind - $100.00
spizz80 posted the big blind - $200.00

** Dealing card to spizz80: 6 of Diamonds, 10 of Clubs
Centaurus folded
jamie5881 folded
alchrist folded
Haahr folded
kirstybilly folded
Watty101 folded
Mandy1958 folded
betsyboo raised - $400.00
spizz80 called - $400.00

** Dealing the flop: 6 of Clubs, 6 of Spades, Ace of Hearts
betsyboo bet - $200.00
spizz80 called - $200.00

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Diamonds
betsyboo bet - $800.00
spizz80 called - $800.00

** Dealing the river: 4 of Clubs
betsyboo bet - $2000.00
spizz80 raised - $8000.00
betsyboo raised - $14000.00
spizz80 went all-in - $2695.00
betsyboo shows: 4 of Diamonds, 6 of Hearts
betsyboo wins $24190.00 from the main pot

End of game 611994448

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 10:31 AM
This just about sums up the worst run of bad beats I can remember .

I was getting close to the money when i had my KK mangled by some cosmonaut going all-in with A3 , next hand I had JJ only to come up against QQ with a low flop :(

Crippled now I had no choice but to go all-in with anything , and this happened . WTF !!

- spizz80 sitting in seat 2 with $710.00
- mickydob sitting in seat 4 with $5365.00
- mark1983 sitting in seat 5 with $3750.00
- niff21 sitting in seat 6 with $7905.00
- Craz-e sitting in seat 7 with $3990.00
- Tim-Taler sitting in seat 9 with $7130.00 [Dealer]
- King-Henke sitting in seat 10 with $3065.00

King-Henke posted the small blind - $200.00
spizz80 posted the big blind - $400.00

** Dealing card to spizz80: Jack of Hearts, 6 of Hearts
mickydob folded
mark1983 folded
niff21 folded
Craz-e folded
Tim-Taler folded
King-Henke raised - $1600.00
spizz80 went all-in - $710.00
King-Henke shows: 7 of Spades, 3 of Diamonds

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Spades, 7 of Hearts, 3 of Spades

** Dealing the turn: 9 of Spades

** Dealing the river: 3 of Hearts
King-Henke wins $2220.00 from the main pot

End of game 612347103

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO


Was the theory behind the play viable?

Definately.

This is a play I use against players who I know are thieving sometimes , just flat calling raises till the turn or river then a big reraise .

It works quite well for me tbh .

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 10:47 AM
Would you have been pissed off by this ?

I was still tilting from a bad beat which knocked me out of a tourny just before , normally I would never have made this call

This was the 2nd hand in .

- Sean_Bright sitting in seat 1 with $1980.00
- triple8 sitting in seat 2 with $2000.00 [Sitting out]
- kronburger sitting in seat 3 with $1780.00
- mariehonen sitting in seat 4 with $2000.00
- spizz80 sitting in seat 5 with $2000.00
- Rollss sitting in seat 6 with $1980.00
- Sune66 sitting in seat 7 with $1980.00
- einarv sitting in seat 8 with $1780.00
- DABIZNIZ sitting in seat 9 with $1780.00 [Dealer]
- das45 sitting in seat 10 with $2690.00

das45 posted the small blind - $10.00
Sean_Bright posted the big blind - $20.00

** Dealing card to spizz80: 4 of Clubs, 5 of Clubs
triple8 folded
kronburger called - $20.00
mariehonen folded
spizz80 called - $20.00
Rollss called - $20.00
Sune66 called - $20.00
einarv raised - $40.00
DABIZNIZ folded
das45 called - $40.00
Sean_Bright folded
kronburger called - $40.00
spizz80 called - $40.00
Rollss called - $40.00
Sune66 called - $40.00

** Dealing the flop: 6 of Clubs, 3 of Hearts, 10 of Spades
das45 checked
kronburger bet - $240.00
spizz80 called - $240.00
Rollss folded
Sune66 folded
einarv raised - $480.00
das45 folded
kronburger went all-in - $1500.00
spizz80 went all-in - $1720.00
einarv went all-in - $1260.00
kronburger shows: 3 of Clubs, 3 of Diamonds
einarv shows: 10 of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds

** Dealing the turn: Ace of Clubs

** Dealing the river: 2 of Spades
spizz80 wins $5480.00 from the main pot

End of game 612328414

SamTheOldGoat
04-11-2006, 11:25 AM
Would have made the move all day in a rebuy, but assume this was a f/o?

Strathclyde Eagle
04-11-2006, 11:42 AM
CS - you've got an open-ended straight draw, it's a fair call IMO.

DANCOO
04-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Because I withdrew nearly all of my money recently, I forgot I only a £20 deposit limit on my account. I have upped it to fifty, but because of the 24 hour rule, I can never seem to deposit more than about £20 a day.
As I can't get any money into my account, I decide to play a ladder from level one, knowing that it is usually very easy to get to the next level and will give me a bit of cheap time on the tables.
2nd hand in, I get an all-in with my KK v QQ...and a Q comes on the turn!
I can honestly not remember the last time I outdrew someone when I pushed with what I thought was the best hand, only to be behind and get lucky and hit. Whereas I seem to constantly get outdrawn in situations where it costs me all of my chips.:(

SamTheOldGoat
04-11-2006, 12:18 PM
Still never ahead, what are his odds to hit 35% or so....

What format was the tourny CS?

SamTheOldGoat
04-11-2006, 12:19 PM
It's the downswing Dan, and shitty too, but you'll be back!

Do you use MSN, would be good to talk strategy etc if you want to?

I'm always looking to get better and like getting others' opinions of my game :)

DANCOO
04-11-2006, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
It's the downswing Dan, and shitty too, but you'll be back!

Do you use MSN, would be good to talk strategy etc if you want to?

I'm always looking to get better and like getting others' opinions of my game :)

I used to have MSN on my other PC, but I have no idea what my username or p/w is.

It would be handy to get hand opinion from a couple of people when playing in a big tourney though.

SamTheOldGoat
04-11-2006, 12:39 PM
That's it, I always have at least one person who has my table open so I can call time and get their opinion if I should re-pop, shove etc in the cash games. I think it certainly helps :)

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Would have made the move all day in a rebuy, but assume this was a f/o?

Yep , it was a freezeout .

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
CS - you've got an open-ended straight draw, it's a fair call IMO.

Do you think ? I knew my hand was behind when I went all-in . Felt a bit sorry for the player who flopped a set though . I thought I was up against top pair / two pairs .

Even so , I only had 8 outs , no flush draw , nowhere near enough to tempt me to go all-in normally .

It was one of them ' •••• it , I'm going to gamble moments ' .

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I always have at least one person who has my table open so I can call time and get their opinion if I should re-pop, shove etc in the cash games. I think it certainly helps :)

Thats interesting that you say that .

I'll play on my mates computer when I'm round his house sometimes, but it doesn't work when we try to combine in a game , because his game is totally different to mine , so it ends up a mish mash of styles .

Although saying that , I have nicked a couple of his moves from watching him and vice versa .

SamTheOldGoat
04-11-2006, 05:55 PM
CS=Competition on Monday?

citizen sane
04-11-2006, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
CS=Competition on Monday?

No can do mate - I'm out on Monday .

Definately up for a game some other time though .

SamTheOldGoat
04-11-2006, 06:27 PM
Ok, should be a few of us this week, I'll organise one for a weeks time or so :)

DANCOO
04-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Just had my biggest first hand win in a tourney. :)
Only a $5 re-buy to a $70k tourney, I'm small blind with AA.
UTG raise, two callers, then an all-in, then my all-in, then two more all-ins.
AA v AQ v 99 v something else.
My AA held up for 6100 :)
Not banking on it being enough to get me through the way my luck has been lately, but it certainly won't do any harm.

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2006, 03:46 AM
and...............................?

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2006, 03:57 AM
Cor, come back from a night on the town, playing hyper tight agressive, proving VERY good!

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
and...............................?
It wasn't enough, but more due to my poor play than anyone elses.
I find it really difficult to play as tournament chip leader. It's almost as if I feel obliged to play more than I usually would, which is a style which doesn't work for me.

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 05:17 PM
Just had a pop-up come up on Ladbrokes. Apparantly you are able to bet on tournament results!

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2006, 07:54 PM
:), I've seen this advertised on Party before, but never done it! Let me know what sort of odds they give you etc!

PING FOR THE POKER TOURNAMENT TOMORROW NIGHT! Only a few of us so far! COME ON

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 08:00 PM
I'm playing Omaha Hi-Lo against Steve Davis. :)

Micky Spilane
05-11-2006, 08:00 PM
Does anyone play on Corals? The reason I ask is that I couldn't for some stupid reason get on Laddies so I went on to my old Coral account, under bonuses I have PP 28.50, what is it?

Micky Spilane
05-11-2006, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
:), I've seen this advertised on Party before, but never done it! Let me know what sort of odds they give you etc!

PING FOR THE POKER TOURNAMENT TOMORROW NIGHT! Only a few of us so far! COME ON

What time are you starting? Are you having just one game? I'll try and join in at 10.00 pmish if you are still there!

P.S. Good luck DANCOO!

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 08:04 PM
He didn't hang around long. :(

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Does anyone play on Corals? The reason I ask is that I couldn't for some stupid reason get on Laddies so I went on to my old Coral account, under bonuses I have PP 28.50, what is it?

Player Points.

You can enter some selected tourneys using any Player Points you have amassed.

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2006, 08:29 PM
Cash game was it Dan?

MIcky, tourny starts at 9pm...... Can you make it?!

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Cash game was it Dan?


Yeah - Omaha Hi-Lo $0.25/$0.50.

He was only on the table for a few minutes.

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2006, 09:49 PM
Hmmm, you wonder why he was there?

Much talk at the table?

DANCOO
05-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Hmmm, you wonder why he was there?

Much talk at the table?

Don't know. I was expecting to see lots of 'watchers' on the table we were on, but there weren't any.
Sometimes Laddies do bounties on him for tourneys, so maybe he was just killing some time until one of them?

I'm really undecided at the moment on Omaha Hi-Lo. There is no doubt money to be made from it, but it is such a grind. Starting with $25 it took me around 2-3 hours to get up to $60 on a $0.25/$0.50 table.

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2006, 10:14 PM
Yup, know what you mean, compare to it to Omaha, I will make less money on Hi Lo

Finbar
06-11-2006, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
He didn't hang around long. :(

Dancoo, you sure it was him? He's currently in Manila for the world 9 ball champs so it would have been 4am for him

Does anyone know of anyone who likes the new Betfair software? They must be losing a lot of business surely?

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 11:58 AM
I am a fish. It's official. :(

DANCOO
06-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
Dancoo, you sure it was him? He's currently in Manila for the world 9 ball champs so it would have been 4am for him

Does anyone know of anyone who likes the new Betfair software? They must be losing a lot of business surely?

Well his user id is 'fivek', and 'fivek' from Essex was playing at the table. So unless a member of his family was using his account?

Finbar
06-11-2006, 12:23 PM
probably bored watching porn in his hotel room so got out the laptop maybe...

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 02:19 PM
Or his little boy/girl wanted some fun on HI-LO


PING FOR THE TOURNAMENT THIS EVENING! COME ON GUYS!

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 03:53 PM
I can play tonight. And I am a fish. Can I play?

BringBackSasa
06-11-2006, 04:06 PM
What site are you playing on? I might be able to make it.

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 04:27 PM
YES! More the merrier!

Playing on POKERSTARS... Will post full info up again, only a few of us but will be fun :)

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 04:29 PM
OK!

Private tournament ALL set up. First is being held on Monday 6th Novemeber at 9pm UK time.

Buy in is $10 and should be a bit of fun, asked a few friends off other forums

To register you click on

TOURNEY > PRIVATE > SCROLL TO 6TH NOV IN DATE ORDER.....

As Pokerstars is a US company, PLEASE search for private tournaments and under Goat's PRIVATE TOURNAMENT starting at 3pm USA time (9PM UK TIME), register by clicking register.

PASSWORD= eagles (SMAL CASE)

Let's get the BBS poker competition back online, I think it could be a fun event and not life and death at 10 bucks. If higher stakes are wanted, we can raise the bar in another week..

There is a min deposit on Stars of $50, but if thats a prob, just deposit taht and then withdraw after tournament, if you dont want to play anymore :)

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 04:29 PM
Yep, PS for me. £30 buy-in?

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 04:48 PM
$10 bucks mate, made it cheap so others would play but response has been pretty poor. Will post it on a pokersite nearer the tourny start to build a few numbers :)

If you want to play another after, that's no probs, let me know when your in :)

KevTheOptimist
06-11-2006, 04:58 PM
Right so any tips from people on how they fight back tiredness towards the closing stages of a tourny?

I'm playing some live poker tonight which will finish about 2/3 and being optimistic as usual I expect to be there at the end (!)

Well, lets just assume I will be. But I have a late night last night and already fighting back the tiredness and it's any 5 pm. ANy tips?

Micky Spilane
06-11-2006, 05:02 PM
Pro-Plus!

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
There is a min deposit on Stars of $50, but if thats a prob, just deposit taht and then withdraw after tournament, if you dont want to play anymore :)

Withdrawals are no sooner 48 hours after last deposit on PS though....

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 05:35 PM
Your right SOS..... I'm sure some can wait 48 hours!

Mickey, are you in later?

Kev- I find myself buzzing at the poker table, when I'm playing nothing will make me go to bed, unlike sitting at my desk at Uni playing when I do get effected by tiredness.

Maybe the adrenalin will get to you and you'll keep going.

My brother and I stayed at the Gutshot till gone 7am when we last went up there!

EEEEK

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 05:37 PM
Right, I lie, it appears it starts at 8pm, I organised it before the clocks went back according to my laptop!

8PM THEN

Micky Spilane
06-11-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Mickey, are you in later?


Not downloaded pokerstars yet, started to on Saturday night but it stopped just before completion, will try when I get in tonight.

Also had a problem depositing funds to my Laddies account so I resurrected my old Coral account. £2 min deposit! Anyway the $5 STT are absolutely crammed with fish, I couldn't believe it last night turned $14 into $50 in about 2½ hours. Happy days. :D

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 05:44 PM
WEEEEEEEEEEEEE

DANCOO
06-11-2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Right so any tips from people on how they fight back tiredness towards the closing stages of a tourny?

I'm playing some live poker tonight which will finish about 2/3 and being optimistic as usual I expect to be there at the end (!)

Well, lets just assume I will be. But I have a late night last night and already fighting back the tiredness and it's any 5 pm. ANy tips?

Agree with STOG, I'm always well awake during the closing stages, no matter how little sleep I've had the previous night. I find the early stages the most difficult to stay awake, and often fall asleep during tournaments...tha's actually really bad isn't it. :D

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 06:26 PM
PMSL! Nah, standard Dan :lol

BringBackSasa
06-11-2006, 06:38 PM
Do pokerstars do referals? Someone got a username I can use?

Dan, your PM box is full. Not that I have anything interesting to say. Actually, shall I repost that on the Clutterbox thread? You'll look incredibly popular.

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 07:00 PM
GoatFaceSam Sasa if you can, can't remember though

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 07:20 PM
Going to be small! Nm

BringBackSasa
06-11-2006, 07:21 PM
I'm in, but they don't seem to do referals, unfortunately.

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 07:48 PM
Nearly in

Bringing a friend as well if that's ok

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 07:55 PM
I looked for a referrals bonus, but they don't seem to do it. Only 100% bonus for newbie deposits.

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 07:55 PM
Of course mate, only a bit of fun, 8 runners so far :)

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Bit of a cock up, Pot Limit by mistake!

Sorry chaps, sure it would be much better NL. Will sort this for next week :)

Micky Spilane
06-11-2006, 09:22 PM
Who won and how many games did you get through?

Son of Selhurst
06-11-2006, 09:47 PM
Goat
One game
LIMIT

DANCOO
06-11-2006, 10:15 PM
How annoying...and it's not the first time aswell.:grrr:

In an express tourney I was dealt AK, but I went to the lobby mid hand to change the position listing from 'alphabetic' to 'position'.
The split second I clicked on to 'position', my turn came around in the tourney I was in and the table popped up.
Right where I was about to click 'position' was replaced by 'fold'.:moo:
An A hit the flop, and I would have almost been guaranteed a seat into the next round. :moo: :clown: :D

SamTheOldGoat
06-11-2006, 11:03 PM
Yup, I made a cock up with the booking of table.

Next week will be NO LIMIT and I'll organise TWO tables.....

I won, MikeyMotts second, Son of Selhurst third.

Top 3 cashed

saul1664
07-11-2006, 12:02 AM
bubbleitis

7 places outside money in 5K tourney, 3 mins before 2nd break

chips were dwindling about 7K, have A9 on 789 flop, call all-in (only 3 in play no significant action), one called, turns over 10 rag, J on turn, all over

saul1664
07-11-2006, 12:02 AM
oh and betdirect have the worst poker software ever (ladbrokes skin)

KevTheOptimist
07-11-2006, 11:53 AM
Went to the Big Slick last night and finished 6th which paid me about £20 per hour for the time I spent getting there.

My mate came 4th, 50 runners.

Really annoyed with my final table play. Came to the final table 2nd of 9 with about 60k. First hand I played was JJ blinds were 8 and 4kwas so made it 20k to go. 1 caller and the flop comes an Ace and I fold to his raise and he shows me the ace.

Down to 40k and I get AK UTG. There are only small stacks behind me so I flat call. It's round to BB without a raise. Flop is a bit naughty, st8 and flush draw but no A or K and I lose the hand with no raising to a pair of 2's. - This hand I thnk was my only mistake of the whole night. I didn't slow play the AK but was up against the other big stack in the hand and I honestly thought I was going to get raised if I bet.

Then I folded A4 when little stack went in against big stack and i'd have won the hand start to finish.

Then another AQ that missed the flop and got raised out. Then all in with AQ again and I'm up against AK and 55. the 5's held but I was dead against the AK anyway and that was goodnight.

In hindsight, if I had played 10% more aggressive I'd have won a couple of pots and would have done a lot better.

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 04:26 PM
What did top pay, what buy in etc?

I like it up there Kev, have you played at The Full House in Reigate. Never not made FT there I think, play is SOFFFFFFFFFFT

KevTheOptimist
07-11-2006, 04:37 PM
I like the Big Slick mate, it's very friendly and there is a good atmosphere. There are some very good players there and there are some very bad players there - nothing like the competition you might expect at somewhere like the Gutshot.

I am a member of the Full House but have yet to venture up there. Can you suggest a night that is worthwhile?

Last night was a £10 rebuy with £10 add on. 50 runners and 1st paid £850ish

KevTheOptimist
07-11-2006, 04:43 PM
http://bigslick.co.uk/tournament_results_nov06.html

Nice.

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 04:48 PM
Yup, I agree, only played Big Slick twice, a party of 4/5 of us went up, £10 rebuys with a bounty, my brother took it down for £720 iirc and another member of our party took 2nd for £180.

It seemed the play was VERY poor on my table, but hey, that's where the money's at.

Can't remember TFH nights, will have a look online, however one I played in was the £50+ £5 bounty on Sunday. It started at 4/6pm so was friendly for work on Monday mornning!


Well done for last night, I couldn't open up the page, but assume is says 'Kev the Optimist' 4th, top stuff :)

KevTheOptimist
07-11-2006, 04:51 PM
Nah, just Kev and I got 6th unfortunately!!

My mate got 4th but as you can see from the results, the second he was knocked out the top 3 decided to call it a night and carved up the prize money LOL

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 05:55 PM
:lol, GUTTED!

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 05:56 PM
I'm shooting down for £220 freezeout if anyone up for it, structure looks good :)

Was last night your first game live in a card club or casino or are you a 'regular'?

KevTheOptimist
07-11-2006, 06:56 PM
I've been to the Big slick about 4 times and to the gutshot about the same in the space of say 3 yrs of playing poker so not really a regular.

I'd be up for the £220 freezeout but may go for a SnG sattellite for it. They seem to run most nights.

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 07:00 PM
Do you prefer it to playing online? I love the fact I can go home, lie on my bed and take Americans money, but the thrill of a large cash game pot or a FT makes me :D

Micky Spilane
07-11-2006, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Do you prefer it to playing online? I love the fact I can go home, lie on my bed and take Americans money, but the thrill of a large cash game pot or a FT makes me :D

I love taking the Scandis money on Laddies. playing Coral at the moment and making profit every night so far on the STT's, not big stakes only $5 5 player tables, but making about 60% profit most evenings.

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 08:19 PM
:p

saul1664
07-11-2006, 08:35 PM
Just knocked out of 1.5K, in about 600th place out of 5,000, my all in KK (12K chips) cracked by 4 7 off suit. Nice.

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Saul, I don't mean to condone his play, but 47ss is my favourite hand.

Were you short stacked, was he pot committed, was it worth him calling, what position were you and him in, could it have looked like you were blind stealing? Did he re-pop you and then you went over the top?

KevTheOptimist
07-11-2006, 09:10 PM
Bloody hell Sam, what are you, a policeman?

SamTheOldGoat
07-11-2006, 09:20 PM
:D

Trying to work out why someone called with 74 pretty deep in a tournament! :lux:

saul1664
07-11-2006, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Saul, I don't mean to condone his play, but 47ss is my favourite hand.

Were you short stacked, was he pot committed, was it worth him calling, what position were you and him in, could it have looked like you were blind stealing? Did he re-pop you and then you went over the top?

mid position everyone folded towards me, blinds 300/600, raised to 1200 because only two behind me wanting some action he called raise with 47 off suit, exactly same chips as me board 2 5 6 rainbow, bet pot odds to give him no value, he goes all in without a made hand, sure he's got open ended straight draw but whole tournament on catching it?

saul1664
07-11-2006, 10:39 PM
we had about 12K each

saul1664
07-11-2006, 10:56 PM
This is even worse. This is the hand...

- 198666 sitting in seat 1 with $14090.00 [Sitting out]
- nallekarhu sitting in seat 2 with $6502.50
- JanneD sitting in seat 3 with $18561.25
- Gampen sitting in seat 4 with $3170.00
- Bamse76 sitting in seat 5 with $6685.00 [Sitting out]
- lilroy sitting in seat 6 with $4240.00
- saul1664 sitting in seat 7 with $12311.25
- daredevil8 sitting in seat 8 with $13041.25
- pokerFraggle sitting in seat 9 with $15606.83 [Dealer]
- Piper99 sitting in seat 10 with $11010.00

Piper99 posted the small blind - $300.00
198666 posted the big blind - $600.00

** Dealing card to saul1664: King of Spades, King of Clubs
nallekarhu folded
JanneD folded
Gampen folded
Bamse76 folded
lilroy folded
saul1664 raised - $1200.00
daredevil8 folded
pokerFraggle folded
Piper99 folded
198666 called - $1200.00

** Dealing the flop: 5 of Diamonds, 2 of Spades, 7 of Diamonds
198666 checked
saul1664 bet - $2700.00
198666 went all-in - $13490.00
saul1664 went all-in - $8411.25
198666 shows: 4 of Hearts, 7 of Clubs

** Dealing the turn: 6 of Diamonds

** Dealing the river: 8 of Diamonds
198666 wins $24922.50 from the main pot

End of game 615041585

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

so he has hit runner runner straight unbelievable

saul1664
08-11-2006, 12:08 AM
84% favourite pre-flop, 74% favourite post flop and 70% favourite after the turn :eek:

citizen sane
08-11-2006, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
84% favourite pre-flop, 74% favourite post flop and 70% favourite after the turn :eek:

they had top pair on the board after the flop .

I would imagine they put you on A10 / KQ or some other drawing hand , assumed you missed the flop and the pot sized bet you made post-flop was representing your pre-flop raise .

they were also getting 7/2 on their money pre-flop which might have tempted him/her , especially being in the BB because no one wants to be thought of as a pushover when the blinds are that big , and 2/1 post-flop with top pair .

Real choker to get knocked out in that way though .

citizen sane
08-11-2006, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
but 47ss is my favourite hand.



:eek: I thought I was bad with my weakness for Q 10 s .

Son of Selhurst
08-11-2006, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
they had top pair on the board after the flop .

I would imagine they put you on A10 / KQ or some other drawing hand , assumed you missed the flop and the pot sized bet you made post-flop was representing your pre-flop raise .

they were also getting 7/2 on their money pre-flop which might have tempted him/her , especially being in the BB because no one wants to be thought of as a pushover when the blinds are that big , and 2/1 post-flop with top pair .

Real choker to get knocked out in that way though .

Have to agree with this. Your 2xBB in late-ish positon with no callers looks like you're high cards or medium/low pair.

He's flopped top pair with more outs. On top of that, if you have AK, AQ or KQ, you missed the flop altogether and then he's gone all-in to scare you off so that you don't draw to a big card.

Then of course, he got lucky with the turn and river.

Once the 6 hit, though, he had a lot more outs, so technically it wasn't runner runner....

SamTheOldGoat
08-11-2006, 11:00 AM
Completely agree with CS and SOS, how comes you 2xBB with KK in mid position, at this point in the tourny, you want 1 caller at best, and if I was on BB, and someone rasied 2BB, I'd probably call regardless.......

PS-CS, Raise up when you have 74 next time, and play it like aces, it nevers loses :D

KevTheOptimist
08-11-2006, 11:53 AM
Well I wish I could keep away from the cash tables. Not that I have any great success with online tournies but I am distinctly sh1te at cash tables!

I maintain though that I get very unlucky and very rarely catch a break. When I do get a bit lucky or do catch a few cards, the turn around is massive, it's the difference between being $100 down or $150 up. Is that stating the obvious or does it say something about my play.

Hmmm

The problem with Tournies is the commitment. I'd like to play loads but when you know it's gonna cost you 3 hours or so of tyhe evening it makles me thinks twice. And I find STT's a little mundane.

Cash on the other hand is ideal as you can jump on and jump off to suit your needs. It's a shame I'm toilet at them.

Oh well. Humpf

KevTheOptimist
08-11-2006, 11:54 AM
And yes I did lose all my winnings from my live tourney in a 1 hour session on laddies last night.

DANCOO
08-11-2006, 11:59 AM
I witnessed an outstanding play last night in the $50k GTD $300 'Who's the Daddy'

I wasn't up for playing last night, so instead decided to watch a player on a table who has won this tourney several times, just to pick up some tips, and I can see why he has won it before.

We will call this player No1, and the other player who was in the hand No2.

Middle of the tourney, No1 is chip leader, No2 has quite a healthy stack.

No1 raises 2 x BB from mid pos.
No2 re-raises from the next pos 4 x pot.
No1 calls.
Flop comes 3h 4h 7s.
No1 checks.
No2 over bets the pot.
Just before the clock runs out, No1 pushes all-in.
No2 thinks for a moment and calls for all his chips (he was pretty much pot commited at this point anyway).
No2 shows Ac Kd
No1 show 3s 5s :D
No more help to either on the flop, and No1 knocks out No2 with a pair of 3's.

There was a huge amount of talking going on after he made that call, and No1 said that he put him on AK after his overbetting of the size of the pot.
It really was one of the best online calls I have seen, considering the size of the tournament.

I continued to watch the table for another 2-3 hours, and was taking lots of notes of the kinds of pots he plays.

He was opening the betting from mid with lots of suited connectors, or suited connectors with one space in between, and would often call raises with these cards also.

Definately something I am going to incorporate more of when I play next.

Saying that, he got VERY lucky later on, but it was still a strong play...if a little foolish.

No1 in BB, one caller, one player then raises.
No1 pushes all-in and gets two caller.
No1 has A3 against AA and KK.......33x on the flop!
No1 then announces that no-one steals his blinds. :D
A strong move, but he had to get very lucky...there wasn't a lot of blind stealing of his going on after that!
:)

oz_da II
08-11-2006, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Saying that, he got VERY lucky later on, but it was still a strong play...if a little foolish.

No1 in BB, one caller, one player then raises.
No1 pushes all-in and gets two caller.
No1 has A3 against AA and KK.......33x on the flop!
No1 then announces that no-one steals his blinds. :D
A strong move, but he had to get very lucky...there wasn't a lot of blind stealing of his going on after that!
:)

Extremely lucky. Roughly 6% to win that pot. 10% if suited.

SamTheOldGoat
08-11-2006, 02:09 PM
Superb Dan, where did NO1 finish again?

I've played once in nearly a week,due to assignments :(

DANCOO
08-11-2006, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Superb Dan, where did NO1 finish again?

I've played once in nearly a week,due to assignments :(

Well, I switched off at around 01:15am - there were still nine people in at that time.
I checked this morning, and he went out in 7th - no idea how though.
For anyone who plays on Laddies, his user id is 'hartwith'.

BringBackSasa
08-11-2006, 04:19 PM
Yeah, when I played on laddies, hartwith was definitely one of the best players, had many a battle with him. A good way to play against him is by making your betting seem illogical when you want him to call. You you need to be extra aware of your table image, especially your betting patterns in hands he's seen you play.

Does Chloe still play there? She's also excellent, but easier to read than hartwith as she's much tighter. Also, once she knows you she doesn't steal your blinds and I can't remember her ever bluffing me with just us in a hand. I'd guess she has a similar unwritten arrangement with a few other older players, including hartwith.

The other guy who used to do well was Decision. He was a tosser.

SamTheOldGoat
08-11-2006, 04:21 PM
Sasa, what stakes, tables, rings, do you play on now? Assume it's stars after the tourny on Monday?

BringBackSasa
08-11-2006, 04:32 PM
I mainly play cheap ($30 and under) rebuy tournies on paradise these days. I might start playing a little on stars as I've signed up now.

DANCOO
08-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by BringBackSasa
Yeah, when I played on laddies, hartwith was definitely one of the best players, had many a battle with him. A good way to play against him is by making your betting seem illogical when you want him to call. You you need to be extra aware of your table image, especially your betting patterns in hands he's seen you play.

Does Chloe still play there? She's also excellent, but easier to read than hartwith as she's much tighter. Also, once she knows you she doesn't steal your blinds and I can't remember her ever bluffing me with just us in a hand. I'd guess she has a similar unwritten arrangement with a few other older players, including hartwith.

The other guy who used to do well was Decision. He was a tosser.

Haven't seen Chloe there for a while, but the usual lot are still always on - salmonoysta, decision, wildrick, jaffacake...etc...

Micky Spilane
08-11-2006, 06:11 PM
I AM A FISH! A MACKEREL AT THAT!

Played like an absolute novice last night. First 5 player STT game I'm in second position with a healthy stack and the three below me are all amatuers raising with anything. I tell myself not to get involved with them as they will soon be out and the way I have been playing recently I fancy my chances with anyone heads-up. Next thing I know I've completely disregarded my own advice ended up going all-in and out in fifth place. Lost the next two STT's before eventually getting my head straight and getting back 66% of my loses.

Note to one's self: Discipline and patience! :confused:

David Amsalem
08-11-2006, 07:51 PM
Well, took you guys advice and stuck to the lower tables. Whacked $10 into my account and lost it within an hour. The last two deposits have been by far my worst experience playing.

I played a $2 table. Played real tight, got it down to the last three. Had wonderful notes on the two clowns with me from previous tourneys. Guy on my right has the same stack as me. He is BB, I'm SB. I raise all-in to take the blinds with AJ and get called with KQ. Hit my Jack on the flop, not that it really mattered, but got rivered with the king. Not a terrible beat, about 40% pre-flop but sums up how its going for me.

Take my $7 onto the 10c/20c table. My first hand dealt to me is KK. First to play raises to 40c. Everybody calls. In BB, I raise it to $3. Everybody folds except one guy who goes over the top and puts it all in. He had an extra dollar then me. Turn them over, he has pocket 7s. Sure enough, river time, he hits his 7.

Oh well, still well up for the year. I'm just glad I take it out. Time to move on from Laddies though.

Where shall I go and does anyone want the referal?

Micky Spilane
08-11-2006, 08:12 PM
I've been playing on Corals this week, $5 lowest sit down on STT's but I've definately found that I don't get killed by the river nearly as much. Another good thing is that minimum deposit is £2 and if when you make your first deposit up to the value of $25 and you put in the bonus code (DUECES this month) as long as you rack up enough PP points (in four days I have racked up 95, you need 250 to qualify for your bonus) you get back the equivalent of your first deposit that month. This is available every month, not just for new players.

saul1664
08-11-2006, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Completely agree with CS and SOS, how comes you 2xBB with KK in mid position, at this point in the tourny, you want 1 caller at best, and if I was on BB, and someone rasied 2BB, I'd probably call regardless.......

PS-CS, Raise up when you have 74 next time, and play it like aces, it nevers loses :D

Folders in front of me, board had been quite likely, was hoping for a re-raise, big raise would have got blinds only, even if he thinks I only have AK KQ whatever, what's he doing calling in with 47?

citizen sane
08-11-2006, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
even if he thinks I only have AK KQ whatever, what's he doing calling in with 47?

Because he was getting 7/2 on his money when the true odds should of been 2/1 .

That sort of value might have appealed to me as well .

SamTheOldGoat
08-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
I've been playing on Corals this week, $5 lowest sit down on STT's but I've definately found that I don't get killed by the river .

It's called variance mate! Areyou a believer in these sites being rigged then?!

Micky Spilane
08-11-2006, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
It's called variance mate! Areyou a believer in these sites being rigged then?!

Not at all, it may have something to do with the players themselves that go on there. Also it sometimes helps me to change sites when I'm in a rut. ;)

oz_da II
08-11-2006, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
It's called variance mate! Areyou a believer in these sites being rigged then?!

Don't get SOS started...

DANCOO
09-11-2006, 01:18 PM
Purchased those High Stakes DVD's a few days ago from eBay, and they arrived yesterday. Watched the first eight episodes last night, will watch the rest today.
Frame rate is 'not too bad', as it's obviously been burnt onto DVD from a torrent.

Mike Matusow being paid to stay, then busting out...:D

Son of Selhurst
09-11-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Folders in front of me, board had been quite likely, was hoping for a re-raise, big raise would have got blinds only, even if he thinks I only have AK KQ whatever, what's he doing calling in with 47?

We're not saying you played it wrong. I just think he made a good decision based on the information he had.

SamTheOldGoat
09-11-2006, 02:57 PM
Michael Matusow-PERMANENTLY BROKE!

So funny reading about him on various blogs, asking for more cash etc!

Micky Spilane
09-11-2006, 03:49 PM
Crazy situation last night. Never experienced this before. Entered a $5 five player STT. MAD.G. went all-in first hand and no surprise everyone folded. He then went off-line for about 10 hands. He then came back and did the same thing. Soon after tande21 got disconnected. Whilst MAD.G. was off line I stole his blinds without giving it another thought! But when tande21 went as well my first instinct was to start to steal both their blinds. This I did for a couple of hands before I realised that it wasn't quite cricket! So I then proceeded to wait till the last possible moment to raise the blinds. I think this was probably the fairest thing to do in the circumstances as I had no idea if or when they were coming back. As it happened soon after that they both returned. I eventually won the table but had been given a slight edge whilst they were gone. In essence did I do the right thing? What is the Poker Worlds' etiquet on this? What would you have done?

DANCOO
09-11-2006, 03:52 PM
I would have done my upmost to steal all of their chips as quickly as I could.

oz_da II
09-11-2006, 03:57 PM
Who else is going to get the chips?
May as well be you.

SamTheOldGoat
09-11-2006, 04:47 PM
It's wasting your time if you waiting.

IMO, I take the chips as rapidly as possibly and move onto another game

Micky Spilane
09-11-2006, 05:05 PM
Point taken Poker is 'Dog Eat Dog'. :D

Son of Selhurst
09-11-2006, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Crazy situation last night. Never experienced this before. Entered a $5 five player STT. MAD.G. went all-in first hand and no surprise everyone folded. He then went off-line for about 10 hands. He then came back and did the same thing. Soon after tande21 got disconnected. Whilst MAD.G. was off line I stole his blinds without giving it another thought! But when tande21 went as well my first instinct was to start to steal both their blinds. This I did for a couple of hands before I realised that it wasn't quite cricket! So I then proceeded to wait till the last possible moment to raise the blinds. I think this was probably the fairest thing to do in the circumstances as I had no idea if or when they were coming back. As it happened soon after that they both returned. I eventually won the table but had been given a slight edge whilst they were gone. In essence did I do the right thing? What is the Poker Worlds' etiquet on this? What would you have done?

Think what they would have done if you disconnected.....

KevTheOptimist
09-11-2006, 07:25 PM
What software is that mickey?

Am going back to the Big Slick tonight for a bit of £10 rebuy action.

SamTheOldGoat
09-11-2006, 07:41 PM
Let me know what you go out on mate?

Micky Spilane
09-11-2006, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
What software is that mickey?


It's the Corals site, I'm at work at the moment, when I get home I'll check whose software it is.

saul1664
09-11-2006, 10:34 PM
ladbrokes are redesigning theirs hope they make a better effort than betfair.

DANCOO
10-11-2006, 12:07 AM
Tried a lot more of an agressive style in my last tourney (the one which I just got knocked out of). Quite big swings at times, but played superbly bar one or two very loose calls.

Get AA on the button, sb raise 3 x BB, I push, sb calls - KK

I win this, I go 3/33 with no-one on my table being able to put me on a hand as I've been playing such a wide range.

K hits the turn leaving me with a couple thou of chips.
I have never been so pissed off over a bad beat before as I have on this occasion.:veryangry :veryangry
Probably because I have been having some success playing a style which I don't usually use, and then getting drawn out on like that when things were going so well :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry
Next hand everyone folds round to me, I have A9.
Push all-in, next player calls......K ••••••• K AGAIN!!!

KevTheOptimist
10-11-2006, 12:16 AM
Bad night for me tonight. Only rebought once but couldnt catch a break. Nurdled my way to 10k and then made one of them calls which in hindsight wasn't bright.

I;d be interested to have your thoughts. I have 88 and on button. UTG goes all in for about 7k. FOlds to me. I put him straight away on AX probably overcards so I'm winning but do you call?

Well I summed up that I was winning and called and he had AJ and hit em both.

KevTheOptimist
10-11-2006, 12:17 AM
I figure I'm what 53% ish but I'm only getting just over evens on my money so is that a bad call based on pot odds?

DANCOO
10-11-2006, 12:43 AM
If I knew for a fact a player was on Ax, and I had pp, I would 'probably' call, but if I had been outplaying this player, and I felt I was one of the better players on the table, I may pass and wait for a better opportunity - why risk your tournament on a coin flip regardless whether or not you were a slight favourite. Obviously if you were shortstacked you would have had little choice on the call, similarly if you had a massive stack compared to him you may make the call also.

SamTheOldGoat
10-11-2006, 08:43 AM
Was this 88 in the rebuy stages Kev....

I don't think iw ould have made the call unless it was, I would MAKE A PUSH with it, but I don't think I'd pretty much put my tourny on the line with a race at best.........

SamTheOldGoat
10-11-2006, 08:43 AM
Was this 88 in the rebuy stages Kev....

I don't think iw ould have made the call unless it was, I would MAKE A PUSH with it, but I don't think I'd pretty much put my tourny on the line with a race at best.........

Son of Selhurst
10-11-2006, 08:57 AM
Had time for a $10 SnG on Ladbrokes last night and was personally responsible for eliminating 5 of my opponents, before winning the HU in 3 hands.

Was so 'in the zone' it was frightening. I think this was me on the rebound from being ante'd out in a live tourney the night before.

KevTheOptimist
10-11-2006, 11:14 AM
It was in the freezout stage SOS.

I was 10k with blinds at 600-1200. I had had shocking cards and in hindsight think it was a bit of a knee jerk reaction to call having had my best hand for ages.

Still though, although I had him on AX, he could have easily been stealing with the same bet or had a lower PP.

I would much rather get me chips in for a virtual double up with a winning hand than get blinded away before eventually getting it in with whatever you get dealt on the blind....

KevTheOptimist
10-11-2006, 11:16 AM
Am getting nothing online either at the moment. I played a $10 tourney with about 25 runners last night and was 3/4th the whole way to final table and last 5 when the poker gods stopped me flat in my tracks.

First I double up a small stack failing to hit my AK vrs his ducks. Then my 10's fail to hold up against another small stacks A3 off and piece de resistance when I'm now the small stack and go in with 66's and I'm up against KK - I trip the flop, he trips the turn.

Lovely.

Son of Selhurst
10-11-2006, 11:44 AM
I had AA cracked last night in the tourney. I raised 2xBB in early position. Everyone folded to the button, who called. SB is a small stack and pushes all-in. I raise to get rid of the button, who folds.

SB turns over 3 & 6 of diamonds, and I immediately think "Oh dear, I've lost this." Sure enough, two diamonds on the flop and the 5d on the river.

He doubled up and 3 hands later I busted him out and took my chips back with interest!

DANCOO
10-11-2006, 01:03 PM
UNREAL

This really is starting to get spooky - I honestly cannot win a hand when I'm holding a dominating A and we both get all our chips in the middle pre-flop.

AQ just taken out by A9 (9 on the turn), I just cannot understand how this is happening so often!:confused:

Strathclyde Eagle
10-11-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Crazy situation last night. Never experienced this before. Entered a $5 five player STT. MAD.G. went all-in first hand and no surprise everyone folded. He then went off-line for about 10 hands. He then came back and did the same thing. Soon after tande21 got disconnected. Whilst MAD.G. was off line I stole his blinds without giving it another thought! But when tande21 went as well my first instinct was to start to steal both their blinds. This I did for a couple of hands before I realised that it wasn't quite cricket! So I then proceeded to wait till the last possible moment to raise the blinds. I think this was probably the fairest thing to do in the circumstances as I had no idea if or when they were coming back. As it happened soon after that they both returned. I eventually won the table but had been given a slight edge whilst they were gone. In essence did I do the right thing? What is the Poker Worlds' etiquet on this? What would you have done?
I was in a referring site freeroll last year when in the course of the game all sixteen actual players realised that most of the other players (can't remember the exact number) weren't about. Raise every hand! Very odd when you finally moved to a table with other players and couldn't carry on that way. Finally finished 5th (hit good cards at a very good time).

Had a ridiculous bad split from last Saturday I'll try and remember to type up later.

oz_da II
10-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
I had AA cracked last night in the tourney.

Since keeping stats AA is only a slight winning hand for me. Played just short of 5000 hands and have a "won hand %" of 58.8% (received AA 17 times for a profit of 2.5BB). Had it burned by rubbish a few times, folded once and proved to be a correct decision, could have done with a few more folds. Hopefully my luck with bullets changes soon. QQ on the other hand is my most profitable hand, also received 17 times for a "won hand %" of 77.8% (profit 57BB). Quite a difference.

As it goes KTs is my least profitable hand, received 17 times, played 9 times for a loss of 23.8BB.

Still amazed at how important position really is in poker. If I was able to only play hands from the button and the cutoff I'd have almost 2.5 times my current profit.

Strathclyde Eagle
10-11-2006, 04:28 PM
The crazy split pot I was saying about earlier.

Playing a 5-seat STT on Paradise. Turns out it takes nearly as long as Betfair! Slow hands + slow blind levels - not good IMHO.

Fairly decent standard. Most players realised I was playing pretty tight and respected raises accordingly. Didn't suffer any bad beats that way but didn't get paid off either. I was fortunate to get good cards at the right times and get to heads up 2800 vs 2200. I then turned the aggression up, forging ahead to 3900 vs 1100 (in particular due to one hand with J9 when the flop came 9-10-10 and I pushed all-in after my opponent had made a continuation bet on the flop, forcing him to fold).

Anyway, my opponent is first to act pre-flop and he goes all-in. I have Q7os and start to think about what he might have. He might have anything as I've been pretty aggressive, but then I think he might have a small/medium pair. Sixes and under make it just about a coin flip. I decide to call. It is even better than a coin flip - he's got J7 suited! The flop comes 45x and elimates the possibiilty of a flush for my opponent.

The turn comes a 3, and now I worry slightly. I need to avoid a J or a 6 on the river and sure enough... it's a 6. :bash:

I followed that with a bad call and then he pushed all-in, having me covered. I don't remember the exact details but this time I was behind, only to outdraw him on the turn, only to be outdrawn again on the river.

Oh, and Paradise's bonus system has changed and now sucks completely - $5 released for 100 points (1 point per raked hand, or a point for $1 of tournament fees). Don't think much of their software either.

DANCOO
10-11-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Since keeping stats AA is only a slight winning hand for me. Played just short of 5000 hands and have a "won hand %" of 58.8% (received AA 17 times for a profit of 2.5BB). Had it burned by rubbish a few times, folded once and proved to be a correct decision, could have done with a few more folds. Hopefully my luck with bullets changes soon. QQ on the other hand is my most profitable hand, also received 17 times for a "won hand %" of 77.8% (profit 57BB). Quite a difference.

As it goes KTs is my least profitable hand, received 17 times, played 9 times for a loss of 23.8BB.

Still amazed at how important position really is in poker. If I was able to only play hands from the button and the cutoff I'd have almost 2.5 times my current profit.

What s/w you using for those stats?

DANCOO
10-11-2006, 09:29 PM
Just went out of two tourneys in two hands.

Holdem - QQ, all low flop, induce an all-in with a small bet and I call. My QQ v AK post flop - K on the turn, OUT!

Omaha Hi/Lo - AA24 max bet, called. Ragged flop, I push, he calls and hits rrK for trips, OUT!

I am honestly just throwing my money into a hole at the moment, getting out drawn for all my chips EVERY tournament.

Son of Selhurst
10-11-2006, 09:31 PM
I think I can count the number of times I've won with QQ online on one thumb......

ALWAYS gets beaten with A or K on flop.

Strathclyde Eagle
10-11-2006, 10:50 PM
Just to prove it can go the other way, I just won a STT, coming back from 3k vs 2k in the heads up. Down to about 1100 at one point so decided to make a stand with J9 suited. Up against AA. :D

Jack on the flop, another jack on the turn. Ouch. I got dealt AK next hand and flat-called pre-flop, expecting my opponent to raise. He just checked, but when an Ace hit the flop he went all-in with second pair. Easy call for me really, left with about 20 chips.

oz_da II
10-11-2006, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
What s/w you using for those stats?

Poker Office.

SamTheOldGoat
11-11-2006, 11:09 AM
I highly recommend PokerTracker. You get a 1000 hand trial and hten it's $55 for life after that.........

DANCOO
11-11-2006, 09:41 PM
Putting a player on a hand.

Well, how do you do it?

Do you rely on knowledge of the particular player, or do you have a general set of rules you tend to stick by...or a bit of both?

Any methods or tells anyone wishes to share?

saul1664
11-11-2006, 10:04 PM
make notes of what they win hands with, push all in with, if they are constantly raising, re raising etc. Big bets before flop tend to be AK AQ, drawing hands people want to get rid of (but not always)

saul1664
11-11-2006, 10:05 PM
and stack size relevant to what someone might hold, either against small or big stack

oz_da II
11-11-2006, 10:36 PM
Pre-flop actions and prior history is about all you can go with on getting reads in on-line play.

Live play is obviously a completely different kettle of fish.
There are tells galore in my weekly game, been playing with the same 10-12 guys for two years. Anything from, how they sit during the hand (leaning back they've got a strong hand), if they're talking or quiet, or shaking when they put their chips out, can help in assessing what sort of hand they have.

DANCOO
11-11-2006, 10:38 PM
Yeah, I've started adding notes the last few weeks on Laddies. I didn't use to bother because they used to get wiped everytime I left the site, but as it's all be changed now, they stay.
Do you, or anyone, try and figure out what sort of hand they could have called with based on size of bet, and then similarly if they call a bet on the turn etc...?

oz_da II
11-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Do you, or anyone, try and figure out what sort of hand they could have called with based on size of bet, and then similarly if they call a bet on the turn etc...?

Only if I've noted previous betting patterns from earlier hands. An example being and one I've done successfully (once): possible flush on the board and "Player A" over bets the pot. If the past two similar boards he's fired out a value bet of say 1/3 of the pot and shown a flush, I may read the play as a bluff and call or go over the top with my two pair, trips, etc...

saul1664
12-11-2006, 08:57 PM
How is Ladbrokes for bad beats? Came off the Prima Network before because it got ridiculous, but looking for alternative to betfair.

Tourney, get JJ, only one caller big stack 18K who pushes all in, put him on AK and risk it, as it's a qualifier and only top 16 get paid.

Sure enough he turns over ak

Flop 9 10 J
Turn Q

DANCOO
12-11-2006, 09:45 PM
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn

I don't like using this thread to moan, but my luck is simply unreal at the moment. Yes, I have made some bad plays and gone out of tourneys through my own fault, but I am simply getting outdrawn constantly.
I honestly do not believe I have got my chips in with the worst of it and won at all the last week, I am getting mugged left, right and centre.

PoolKing
12-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Luck evens out. Just keep playing well, making the right moves and there will come a period where you cannot stop winning:p

KevTheOptimist
12-11-2006, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn

I don't like using this thread to moan, but my luck is simply unreal at the moment. Yes, I have made some bad plays and gone out of tourneys through my own fault, but I am simply getting outdrawn constantly.
I honestly do not believe I have got my chips in with the worst of it and won at all the last week, I am getting mugged left, right and centre.

I'm with you Dan, losing money hand ov er fist at the moment and for the above reasons.

Just bubbled out of mymost recent tourney all in with QQ, called by AK. Flopped and ace, rivered a king.

I feel like I need the stone cold nuts to win a hand at the moment and it affects the way i play as well, probably folding hands im winning etc

citizen sane
12-11-2006, 11:26 PM
This is the sort of hand and situation you dream of in poker :)


- TK71 sitting in seat 1 with $17012.50
- Spiffy sitting in seat 2 with $2620.00
- mouse19861 sitting in seat 3 with $8851.50 [Dealer]
- spizz80 sitting in seat 4 with $7145.00
- capital26 sitting in seat 5 with $5670.00
- zanadu sitting in seat 6 with $3705.00
- titch sitting in seat 7 with $1710.00
- shadyslick sitting in seat 8 with $2635.00
- sunnydayz sitting in seat 9 with $12847.50
- Helsing sitting in seat 10 with $5497.50 [Sitting out]

spizz80 posted the small blind - $100.00
capital26 posted the big blind - $200.00

** Dealing card to spizz80: 5 of Spades, King of Spades
zanadu folded
titch folded
shadyslick folded
sunnydayz called - $200.00
Helsing folded
TK71 folded
Spiffy folded
mouse19861 folded
spizz80 called - $200.00
capital26 checked

** Dealing the flop: 5 of Clubs, 5 of Hearts, 5 of Diamonds
spizz80 checked
capital26 checked
sunnydayz bet - $300.00
spizz80 called - $300.00
capital26 called - $300.00

** Dealing the turn: Jack of Clubs
spizz80 checked
capital26 checked
sunnydayz checked

** Dealing the river: King of Clubs
spizz80 bet - $200.00
capital26 folded
sunnydayz raised - $850.00
spizz80 raised - $3450.00
sunnydayz went all-in - $11497.50
spizz80 went all-in - $3295.00
sunnydayz shows: 7 of Diamonds, King of Hearts
spizz80 wins $14990.00 from the main pot

End of game 618442504

citizen sane
12-11-2006, 11:29 PM
Finished 5th in that MTT , which is the 3rd time out of the last 5 I've been in the money . Quite pleased with my play at the moment after taking some time out to reflect on my game .

citizen sane
12-11-2006, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn
Outdrawn

I don't like using this thread to moan, but my luck is simply unreal at the moment. Yes, I have made some bad plays and gone out of tourneys through my own fault, but I am simply getting outdrawn constantly.
I honestly do not believe I have got my chips in with the worst of it and won at all the last week, I am getting mugged left, right and centre.

I went through this before I took a break from poker , an unbelievable run of being outdrawn in hands , it started to affect my game quite a lot in the end , hence my decision to take some time out .

citizen sane
12-11-2006, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Putting a player on a hand.

Well, how do you do it?

Do you rely on knowledge of the particular player, or do you have a general set of rules you tend to stick by...or a bit of both?

Any methods or tells anyone wishes to share?


When I'm totally in the zone and playing at the top of my game I can almost sense when I'm ahead/behind or being bluffed , whether its experience and/or watching betting patterns I'm not quite sure but its normally pretty accurate .

citizen sane
12-11-2006, 11:47 PM
This is the hand from the final table when I was bust out , would anyone have played it differently ? should I have folded when he bet after the turn ?



- Bobh1 sitting in seat 3 with $114542.63
- goldlabels sitting in seat 5 with $35183.50
- bgplayer sitting in seat 6 with $44280.12
- spizz80 sitting in seat 7 with $48598.75
- DEISELPOWER sitting in seat 8 with $48895.00 [Dealer]

Bobh1 posted the small blind - $1500.00
goldlabels posted the big blind - $3000.00

** Dealing card to spizz80: 9 of Clubs, 10 of Clubs
bgplayer folded
spizz80 raised - $6000.00
DEISELPOWER folded
Bobh1 called - $6000.00
goldlabels folded

** Dealing the flop: 10 of Spades, 3 of Clubs, 3 of Spades
Bobh1 checked
spizz80 bet - $15000.00
Bobh1 called - $15000.00

** Dealing the turn: 4 of Spades
Bobh1 bet - $45000.00
spizz80 went all-in - $27598.75
Bobh1 shows: Ace of Diamonds, 3 of Diamonds

** Dealing the river: 4 of Hearts
Bobh1 wins $100197.50 from the main pot

End of game 618519100

saul1664
13-11-2006, 12:11 AM
well it's not a big hand either on the flop or turn, flop you could be dominated by 10 J up to 10 A, or a higher pocket pair, the only way to find that out is by betting, if you had checked you may have got away with the opponent checking but probably would have been raised, the only clue you got was on the turn when he raised you for all your chips, you could have folded then and had 27K to play with, because you probably knew you were dominated then

oz_da II
13-11-2006, 02:23 AM
Fold the turn, we're running second to a lot of hands with little chance of improving. Still have enough chips to work with. I think I may have bet closer to $10,000 after the flop, thus finding out where we are without the possiblilty of losing so many chips.

citizen sane
13-11-2006, 11:37 AM
Fair comment , upon reflection I should have folded .

I'd seen him do that move earlier in the tourney with a mid pair , thought he was doing the same at the time .

PoolKing
13-11-2006, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
When I'm totally in the zone and playing at the top of my game I can almost sense when I'm ahead/behind or being bluffed , whether its experience and/or watching betting patterns I'm not quite sure but its normally pretty accurate .

I agree with this, there is definitely as large element of instinct. This instinct is built up and sub-conscious and based on real signs rather than gut feelings.

When I play I try to trust instinct rather than notes, I used to keep loads of notes on players but for a while have kept them to a minimum. Regarding notes, I write a player's general characteristics and give them a rating out of 5 (colour coded) relating to their general standard of play and I also write any special characteristics. For example if a player is a calling station I write 'CS' in the notes and one player I know ALWAYS doubles bets if he holds the strongest hands so I would add 'always doubles bets with nuts'. I try to be as minimalistic as possible and use shortforms of words such as CS (calling station), HPS (high pair syndrome), etc.

Gav The Hamster
13-11-2006, 07:56 PM
just downloaded the betfair software as hvaent played it for a while and one word sums it up........ SHIT

DANCOO
13-11-2006, 09:08 PM
Christ!

Midway through a tourney.

UTG raises 2 x BB.
Player in front of me pushes all-in.
I raise with my all-in holding AK (about 40 x BB).
UTG calls...with 33!

There are some real ••••••• freaks on Ladbrokes.:moo:

And yeah, they held up.

Son of Selhurst
13-11-2006, 09:58 PM
Lots of bad beat stories now the US are being banned.

Lots of poker sites now 're-designing/updating' their software.

I have been busted out early numerous times in the past two days, and don't even get me started on what people are calling with in cash games.

I've had to rely on Craps/BlackJack to recoup my losses!

Strathclyde Eagle
13-11-2006, 10:42 PM
I did like the suggestion of "why couldn't online poker be banned in Scandinivia?" :D

Gav The Hamster
14-11-2006, 01:21 AM
an opinion change on Betfair.

I quite like the layout for 2 tables, very effective.

Do many other sites lay out 2 tables as neatly as betfair ?

oz_da II
14-11-2006, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
and don't even get me started on what people are calling with in cash games.


Well I'm loving what people are calling/chasing with lately (I haven't noticed any difference). 18 of my past 23 sessions have have been profitable sessions. I have now moved up to just short of 4BB/100 hands. If you have got a tight/aggressive style I can't see how, over a length of time, anyone can lose out to these chasers.

Table selection is important. Find the fish, dop your line and reel them in... :lux:

KevTheOptimist
14-11-2006, 02:20 AM
If betfair did hand history I'd stick it on here.

Dealt 99 UTG and go to click POt raise but instead go all in for $114. Doh!!

Get insta called from matey to my left who it transpired held Bullets. Well I couldn;t look once I realised my mistake but a flopped 9 eased my woes

Finbar
14-11-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Christ!

Midway through a tourney.

UTG raises 2 x BB.
Player in front of me pushes all-in.
I raise with my all-in holding AK (about 40 x BB).
UTG calls...with 33!

There are some real ••••••• freaks on Ladbrokes.:moo:

And yeah, they held up.

Dancoo, if the 33 called with only the two of you left and he read you for AK or AQ then wouldn't 33 be a marginal favourite? Am by no means a great player (in fact barely average...) but that call doesn't seem too unreasonable to me

AK is only any good if you get something with it and (I think) the odds say that more often than not you won't hit an A or K so it doesn't seem that much of a bad beat to me

(ducks for cover....)

PoolKing
14-11-2006, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Finbar
Dancoo, if the 33 called with only the two of you left and he read you for AK or AQ then wouldn't 33 be a marginal favourite? Am by no means a great player (in fact barely average...) but that call doesn't seem too unreasonable to me

AK is only any good if you get something with it and (I think) the odds say that more often than not you won't hit an A or K so it doesn't seem that much of a bad beat to me

(ducks for cover....)

Exactly, you are completely right, it isn't a bad beat at all in terms of the hand. It depends on chip levels at the time but it does appear to be a bad call with 3 3, as he will know he is only a marginal favourite at best. Still, poker has lots of these coinflip situations and it is certainly advantageous in the long run to be the marginal favourite rather than the marginal underdog.

Finbar
14-11-2006, 10:43 AM
cheers PK, good point about being a dubious call if he did put him on AK

KevTheOptimist
14-11-2006, 11:48 AM
Similar situation for him as for me when I was holding 88's and put opponent on overcards.

Winning pre flop but always a lottery.

PoolKing
14-11-2006, 12:07 PM
In cash games you should technically always make the call if you are a marginal favourite as in the long run you will come out on top and can always reload if you lose. In a tournament though a number of factors come into play and it is more likely to be a bad call as you don't really want to be risking your ONE tournament life as only a marginal favourite.

DANCOO
14-11-2006, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
Dancoo, if the 33 called with only the two of you left and he read you for AK or AQ then wouldn't 33 be a marginal favourite? Am by no means a great player (in fact barely average...) but that call doesn't seem too unreasonable to me

AK is only any good if you get something with it and (I think) the odds say that more often than not you won't hit an A or K so it doesn't seem that much of a bad beat to me

(ducks for cover....)

PoolKing and Finbar - I wasn't saying it was a bad beat in terms of hand probability (although I was in fact the favourite), it was just an extremely poor call for him to make in tournament play.

In a tournament, calling TWO all-ins holding 33 is going to be a losing play in the long run without doubt. He can't possibly think he is ahead, so is effectively drawing to two cards.
The fact that he was up against AK and JQ, meant he still wasn't the favourite to win the hand even though he already had his pair.
Even if he put one of us on AK, so long as the other player has virtually any combination of overcards over 33 would still not make him a favourite.

PoolKing
14-11-2006, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
PoolKing and Finbar - I wasn't saying it was a bad beat in terms of hand probability (although I was in fact the favourite), it was just an extremely poor call for him to make in tournament play.

In a tournament, calling TWO all-ins holding 33 is going to be a losing play in the long run without doubt. He can't possibly think he is ahead, so is effectively drawing to two cards.
The fact that he was up against AK and JQ, meant he still wasn't the favourite to win the hand even though he already had his pair.
Even if he put one of us on AK, so long as the other player has virtually any combination of overcards over 33 would still not make him a favourite.

Agreed, in a tournament it was a poor call, no doubt about it:p

Number Six
14-11-2006, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
How is Ladbrokes for bad beats? Came off the Prima Network before because it got ridiculous, but looking for alternative to betfair.

Tourney, get JJ, only one caller big stack 18K who pushes all in, put him on AK and risk it, as it's a qualifier and only top 16 get paid.

Sure enough he turns over ak

Flop 9 10 J
Turn Q

Don't know about Ladbrokes for bad beats but I left Betfair and had a look at Victor Chandler. Could not believe the amount of straights and flushes that drop at VC.....makes it worthwhile to stay in even if you have as little as low unsuited connectors or even two close but unconnected cards - makes it a lottery.

If you are looking for an alternative to Betfair, why not try William Hill which is where I went. Same software / interface - plus if there were some players you looked out for on Betfair, they are still there if they are accessing the network from other than Betfair.

saul1664
14-11-2006, 02:39 PM
well out very early in tourney, KK raise about 8 x BB, one caller, low ragged flop, push most of my chips in, he calls, turn offers nothing, he checks, push the rest in, turns over A5, says "ooops", nothing matched no straight, flush, pair or anything.

River ...

A

DANCOO
14-11-2006, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Agreed, in a tournament it was a poor call, no doubt about it:p

Actually, even in a cash game that would be a particulary poor call.

Oh yeah, in a tourney later that evening, early on I re-raise all-in with KK, other bloke turned over AA...K on the turn.:D
My first piece of luck in a long time, not that it did me much good in the long run.:hmph:

DANCOO
14-11-2006, 09:59 PM
:rolleyes: :veryangry

Strathclyde Eagle
15-11-2006, 07:09 PM
Stuck at home (ill), saw a hand on PNL in an MTT - JJ vs QQ (all-in) vs KK (all-in)! Q on the flop, JJ made a flush with runner-runner spades. Ouch!

DANCOO
15-11-2006, 09:18 PM
THE WHOLE POKER COMMUNITY IS AGAINST ME.

My luck just goes from bad to worse. :(

Playing in the $40K GTD $100 Re-buy.

Get to the break in brilliant position, with 4 x starting stack.

The lobby is totally shot so have no idea about amount of players/position/payout structure etc...

So log out and log back in again during the break (this fault happens a lot and this method always cures it).

Go to log back in - Message : The Lobby is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Now I can't even get back on to the table, and the tournaments been up and running again for the last ten minutes!!! It's ••••••• ridiculous.

And the best I'm going to get out of it is the poxy ••••••• buy-in amount.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

DANCOO
15-11-2006, 09:57 PM
If anyone has a Laddies account and is reading this, would you mind checking to see if you can see any of the Ladbrokes tables. Thanks.

DANCOO
15-11-2006, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
THE WHOLE POKER COMMUNITY IS AGAINST ME.

My luck just goes from bad to worse. :(

Playing in the $40K GTD $100 Re-buy.

Get to the break in brilliant position, with 4 x starting stack.

The lobby is totally shot so have no idea about amount of players/position/payout structure etc...

So log out and log back in again during the break (this fault happens a lot and this method always cures it).

Go to log back in - Message : The Lobby is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Now I can't even get back on to the table, and the tournaments been up and running again for the last ten minutes!!! It's ••••••• ridiculous.

And the best I'm going to get out of it is the poxy ••••••• buy-in amount.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

Talk about adding insult to ••••••• injury.

Finally got back to my table, only 1 1/2 hours after the break.

My 6000+ chips had been whittled down to 450.

I get on my table to see myself be immediately be put into the big blind for all my chips.

I flop a pair of 5's and one of the other guys gets chased out.

Bloke hasn't paired but has A 10 in the hole.

There's 2,650 in the pot which would give mea glimmer of hope of a comeback.

NO CHANCE.

Normal service is resumed as an A hits the river a sends me out in 41st position.

EDIT : Hissy fit.:)

Son of Selhurst
15-11-2006, 10:36 PM
Laddies 'upgraded' their software overnight. It's f**ked.

SamTheOldGoat
15-11-2006, 11:07 PM
Played Stanley casino last night....

Lost AA to AJ, 4 to a flush

Saw KK lose to KK as well on my table.

HORRID

See guys, it happens live too ;)

DANCOO
15-11-2006, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Played Stanley casino last night....

Lost AA to AJ, 4 to a flush

Saw KK lose to KK as well on my table.

HORRID

See guys, it happens live too ;)

I bet they don't blindfold the players, tell them they can't see the lobby, then let them come back an hour later.:hmph: ;)

Micky Spilane
15-11-2006, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Laddies 'upgraded' their software overnight. It's f**ked.

Looks the same, what's f£cked about it?

SamTheOldGoat
16-11-2006, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I bet they don't blindfold the players, tell them they can't see the lobby, then let them come back an hour later.:hmph: ;)

:o

Please tell me you e-mailed Laddies support and they refunded you at least one buy-in!

DANCOO
16-11-2006, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
:o

Please tell me you e-mailed Laddies support and they refunded you at least one buy-in!

Emailed about 3 1/2 hours ago - no reply as yet.

David Amsalem
16-11-2006, 01:31 AM
I don't like to use this thread as a "bad beat"/ish thread but there is nobody who will listen at this time of night.

10/20c cash table. I start with $3. Build it up nicely to about $20 in half hour or so.

Anyway, its five handed. I get KK in the SB. Everybody folds, and I raise it to $6.60. (I honestly just wanted the 30c 'cos you haven't heard about the damage KK has been doing to my bankroll) - the BB, who has about $10 re-raises all-in. I put him on a low pair but think even if in the unlikely occurance its AA, I've got to call it. He turns over 67. I mean, 67? Flop, x x 8. Turn 9. River, no prize for guessing, 10.

Same game, rebuild back to a similar stack. In the same position with everybody folding, I hold QQ. I raise $1. He re-raises me all-in and I call. (About $13 but I know he is a mad man after the previous hand) - anyway, he turns over AK o/s. Fair enough, its a normal online hand.

Flop is Q, 2, 3. Woohoo, trips. Turn, J. River, 10.

I just don't know what to do with my game. I'm playing by the book and everything and still getting beaten by maniacs.

(Oh, and first time he "felt lucky" and second time said "even I'm embarrased with that" - gotta laugh else you'll cry... :) )

oz_da II
16-11-2006, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Looks the same, what's f£cked about it?

It probably gave him yet another "bad beat". :clown:

oz_da II
16-11-2006, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
10/20c cash table. I start with $3. Build it up nicely to about $20 in half hour or so.

Anyway, its five handed. I get KK in the SB. Everybody folds, and I raise it to $6.60. (I honestly just wanted the 30c 'cos you haven't heard about the damage KK has been doing to my bankroll) - the BB, who has about $10 re-raises all-in. I put him on a low pair but think even if in the unlikely occurance its AA, I've got to call it. He turns over 67. I mean, 67? Flop, x x 8. Turn 9. River, no prize for guessing, 10.

Same game, rebuild back to a similar stack. In the same position with everybody folding, I hold QQ. I raise $1. He re-raises me all-in and I call. (About $13 but I know he is a mad man after the previous hand) - anyway, he turns over AK o/s. Fair enough, its a normal online hand.

Flop is Q, 2, 3. Woohoo, trips. Turn, J. River, 10.

I just don't know what to do with my game. I'm playing by the book and everything and still getting beaten by maniacs.


Please show me the book that tells you to lead with 33BB's when holding the cowboys. :clown:

Very unlucky but if you can't handle the possibilities of large variances in no limit play limit.

Gav The Hamster
16-11-2006, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Emailed about 3 1/2 hours ago - no reply as yet.

let me know what they say !!

I started playing laddies about 11.30 last night til about 2am and had no problems with playing tables and viewing the lobby.

Obviously too late now but when i used to have the odd connection problem, turning the modem on and off used to work a treat.

DANCOO
16-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
let me know what they say !!

I started playing laddies about 11.30 last night til about 2am and had no problems with playing tables and viewing the lobby.

Obviously too late now but when i used to have the odd connection problem, turning the modem on and off used to work a treat.

The lobby corrected itself at around 22:30

I have just this very minute received an email from Ladbrokes saying that they were having problems with the lobby, but my table should have automatically loaded back up (which is what it normally does).
No offer of refunding the buy-in or anything!
I have just replied requesting for a refund.

DANCOO
16-11-2006, 03:10 PM
A different Laddies manager/agent has replied to one of my other emails.
My account has been credited with $100, so I have sent a reply informing him that the actual buy-in was $109, not $100.
Still, at least I got something back from it.

SamTheOldGoat
16-11-2006, 03:59 PM
Indeed Dan, but the bad hting is that you were in a strong position come break time. Nevermind, it could be worse and you could have Doyles Room staff emailing back telling you it's your tough luck!

ps, David, you were dealt KK, why would you want to 'just take down 30c with the second best starting hand? Is that the same if your dealt AA? Just a bit confusing, but it was horrid. There is always the chance he was messing about, I have a friend and we play on the real low limits for fun, literally all in every hand to 'see whose the biggest fish'. Often we'll double everyone up, but I'm playing against my friend for fun, and people are queueing up at the table, wanting to play 'those maniacs'

Son of Selhurst
16-11-2006, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
It probably gave him yet another "bad beat". :clown:

It woudn't load the lobby. Gave an http error for hours.

As has since been said, it was corrected at 22:30

DANCOO
16-11-2006, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Indeed Dan, but the bad hting is that you were in a strong position come break time.

That's the main thing.
I have been thinking about my play a lot recently, and how I am going to play in different stages of tournaments.
I had been playing solid, and was having a very good run of cards aswell, so was feeling quite positive about my chances of finishing in the money - of course, Ladbrokes wouldn't buy any of that.

SamTheOldGoat
16-11-2006, 06:26 PM
I'm sure they wouldn't, have you looked at PS for MTT's, absolutely superb for ALL price ranges for high guarantee $3R to $109R to $215 million guaranteed F/O

David Amsalem
16-11-2006, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Please show me the book that tells you to lead with 33BB's when holding the cowboys. :clown:

Very unlucky but if you can't handle the possibilities of large variances in no limit play limit.

Unusual post. Obviously, there is no book that says to raise 33BB. I keep having my KK busted playing the Harrington way so I tried something else. If I was the other player, I would put me on a bluff as I had been playing super tight anyway. You do have to mix your game up but even still, I never done it because of that.

Now, even if he had put me on a bluff, which would have been fair, to call with what he did, is still a lottery and the best he could perhaps hope for, is a flip of a coin. I can handle the possibilities hence why I play no limit.

The bottom line is, if he had me down as bluffing the pot, unless he is holding a pretty good hand, it isn't worth calling. So I would therefore suggest that in this case, I was very unlucky and it was worth sharing the story.

I didn't make the best play, but he made a worst one. And won.

David Amsalem
16-11-2006, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
ps, David, you were dealt KK, why would you want to 'just take down 30c with the second best starting hand? Is that the same if your dealt AA? Just a bit confusing, but it was horrid. There is always the chance he was messing about, I have a friend and we play on the real low limits for fun, literally all in every hand to 'see whose the biggest fish'. Often we'll double everyone up, but I'm playing against my friend for fun, and people are queueing up at the table, wanting to play 'those maniacs'

You're quite right Sam. Raising so much with KK is quite frankly stupid when the pot is so small. Recently though, KK has become the devil hand. I've been playing it how the book would say, and losing it. So in this instance, I honestly thought "f*ck it, if he is gonna outdraw me, it'll cost him, and we'll be all-in pre-flop" - KK is not a good hand for me recently.

I just wanted to win with KK for a change.