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DANCOO
16-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Terrible.

Sitting 10/40 in $5K GTD.

Went out in two hands.

First was a bad call where I thought someone was drawing to a flush, but they outkicked my top pair with an A to my K.
Then went out when I hit top pair and re-raised the original bettor, only for them to call with nothing but a Q high and hit a Q on the turn.
They pushed all-in, and I called.:rolleyes:

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 02:01 PM
No joke, trying to do Uni work but not concentrating so thought I'd get 2 x 10.25c tables up on Stars. Turned $50 into $211 in the space of 1hr 30 mins, the plays at these stakes are TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 02:06 PM
PS, I got an ABSOLUTE ribbing for the play below..... don't think I've done anything wrong imo ;) Got a bit creative and the mug bet 1.25 into a 6.25 pot, never passing!

CLICK ME! (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617174)


And could I have got this guys whole stack do you think.....


And again.... (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617096)

Finbar
17-11-2006, 02:11 PM
that hand replayer thing is a bit clever!!

don't see you did anything wrong at all

DANCOO
17-11-2006, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PS, I got an ABSOLUTE ribbing for the play below..... don't think I've done anything wrong imo ;) Got a bit creative and the mug bet 1.25 into a 6.25 pot, never passing!

CLICK ME! (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617174)


And could I have got this guys whole stack do you think.....


And again.... (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617096)

Erm, how comes that 'hand replayer thing' (Finbar;)) can show the cards that the other person has mucked???

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 03:03 PM
Because on Party and Stars, if it's a showdown, you can go into HH and see their mucked cards! It's superb, especially for notes ;)

Ta Finbar, nothing wrong with a bit of creativity ;)

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 03:23 PM
RIGHT, I HAVE ORGANISED ANOTHER PRIVATE TOURNAMENT:

Next Tuesday 21st Nov: 9.30pm (for those that couldn't make it before)

NO LIMIT HOLD'EM

$10 buy in

Password for Tourny - eagles (IN LOWER CASE)

Tourny I.D 36067323


To register you click on

TOURNEY > PRIVATE > SCROLL TO 21st NOV IN DATE ORDER.....

As Pokerstars is a US company, PLEASE search for private tournaments and under Goat's NO LIMIT $10 TOURNY, starting at 4.30pm USA time (9.30 PM UK TIME), register by clicking register.

Come join the fun!

Finbar
17-11-2006, 03:32 PM
If I'm around on Tuesday might well be up for that

Any signing up bonuses going on Pokerstars? (or referral for that matter as am happy to give you a bonus if that's how it works)

StuNick might be up for this as well if he's in that night

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 03:35 PM
Pretty sure it's a matched bonus up to $50 at the moment... check the site mate, we played one a couple of weeks ago, I cocked up the making of the private table and we played limit, but it was fun still with 9 of us, hopefully more this time, will do some serious pluggin!

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 03:36 PM
Would be good to have you along mate

Finbar
17-11-2006, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat


TOURNEY > PRIVATE > SCROLL TO 6TH NOV IN DATE ORDER.....



er think you mean the 21st November...

and the password needs to be lower case

I'm in though if something comes up may have to withdraw, hopefully not

Looking forward to it, is there any maximum amount of players?

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 04:15 PM
wHOOPS, Copied and pasted it and forgot to change that!

No maximum amount of players :)

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 04:17 PM
EDITED

DANCOO
17-11-2006, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
A different Laddies manager/agent has replied to one of my other emails.
My account has been credited with $100, so I have sent a reply informing him that the actual buy-in was $109, not $100.
Still, at least I got something back from it.

They have just given me an extra $25 for the inconvenience.

And STOG, I'd be mightly pissed off if someone was seeing my mucked cards without my say so...still, I wonder if it workd on Laddies - is it s/w you have to purchase?:o

Gav The Hamster
17-11-2006, 06:12 PM
It used to be the same on Betfair where you could view a mucked hand if there was a call on the river. Shame Betfair dont even have a hand history at the moment !!!

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 06:42 PM
Betfair sounds wonderful! :D

Dan, what's S/W?!?!?

DANCOO
17-11-2006, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Betfair sounds wonderful! :D

Dan, what's S/W?!?!?

err, soft...ware:rolleyes:;) :D

saul1664
17-11-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Betfair sounds wonderful! :D

Dan, what's S/W?!?!?

hand history in november update

Gav The Hamster
17-11-2006, 07:03 PM
its middle of november now lol, do you have a date Saul ?

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2006, 09:15 PM
You would have thought they they would have all the options before going live with the new server/backgrounds etc...

Yawn@Dan ;) :D

saul1664
17-11-2006, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
its middle of november now lol, do you have a date Saul ?

not a date but they are implementing a lot of changes, think end of nov

DANCOO
17-11-2006, 10:35 PM
The last time my all-in KK was up against AA, I bust him with a K on the turn.
Just had my all-in KK up against AA again, and this time flopped a K to take the pot down.
Two hands later there's a three way all-in, AA v KK v 1010...sure enough, a K on the flop takes the pot.

oz_da II
18-11-2006, 12:58 AM
Had a night at the Adelaide casino last night. Take a guess how many of these hands I won. I'm the bloke in the lead on each one.


Holdem: boards containing Js Jc 5h

cards--win---%win--- lose---%lose---tie---%tie---EV
Ah Jh--971---98.08--- 18--- 1.82--- 1---0.10--- 0.981
As Kc--18---- 1.82--- 971--- 98.08-- 1---0.10--- 0.019


Holdem: boards containing 8s 8c Qh

cards--win---%win---lose---%lose---tie%---tie---EV
8d Jh--905---91.41--- 85--- 8.59--- 0---0.00--- 0.914
Qc 6d-- 85--- 8.59---905---91.41--- 0---0.00--- 0.086


Holdem: boards containing 2s Qd 2h

cards--win---%win---lose---%lose---tie---%tie---EV
2c Ad--902---91.11--- 88--- 8.89--- 0---0.00-- 0.911
Qc 6d-- 88--- 8.89---902---91.11--- 0---0.00-- 0.089


Holdem: boards containing 5s Tc 9d 5h

cards--win---%win---lose---%lose---tie---%tie---EV
7c Ad-- 3--- 6.82--- 41---93.18--- 0--- 0.00-- 0.068
Ks Kc-- 41-- 93.18--- 3--- 6.82--- 0--- 0.00-- 0.932



Take a wild guess everyone.....

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 12:59 AM
There you go, KK=Nuts ;)

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 01:01 AM
I'd say 3 Oz.... I think you lost with the 2q2 board, but no doubt your going to tell me it was one max....

oz_da II
18-11-2006, 01:11 AM
I'll give you a few more guesses as neither of those are correct....

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 01:14 AM
Some hands from this evening that I uploaded, not in order or any that great, except for the guy who couldn't lay down JJ on a QQ8 board.....

Again, playing 3 tables of 10.25c while watching bond DVD's and managed to walk away with $200. Guys, I REALLY recommend this stakes when your not 'in the zone'!

click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617931)
Click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617909)

Love it when you have an inkling they missed everything and are right!

click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617833)


Not I'm not actually reraising him $60, he's only got $9 left.... AK invinsible :rolleyes:
click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617832)


My 'donk' move of the day, this guy had been donating left right and centre and even after his reraise to $11 p/f I put him on overcards and wanted a gamble. Lucky donk me
click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?617831) :p

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 01:15 AM
OH DEAR OZ, 0?

oz_da II
18-11-2006, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
OH DEAR OZ, 0?

Correct, two idiots sucking me out twice each. I'm welcoming calls obviously but to get "hit for six" each time is unbelievable. Apart from calling on the river each time when I knew i was gone on the obave hands, I can't complain about my play last night.

The 3 j's vs big slick was the one that really pissed me off, I had a flush draw on the river as well, he hits runner runner - straight.

Should have been at least $500 up ended up $170 down.

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 01:28 AM
sick, pl, nl, fl? stakes?

That's sick, do you feel like you played them fine apart from calling on river when you knew you were beat, i.e. raising enough on flop/turn?

oz_da II
18-11-2006, 01:37 AM
Played them perfectly.

Limit 4/8. Played very tight agressive overall (was there for about 4 hours), not that anyone probably noticed, so when I check raised, re-raised etc it was obvious that I had the business.

The Ah Jh hand was capped pre-flop with 6 runners, a huge pot....

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 01:38 AM
BLEUGH

DANCOO
18-11-2006, 11:32 AM
STOG, love the hand where you hit your straight, to be put all-in by a pair of 6's.:p

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 03:21 PM
Thanks :)

citizen sane
18-11-2006, 06:43 PM
Came across the most mental Scandi ever today - on a final table in a MTT as well :eek:

They just went mental , raised every hand pre-flop , bet every hand post-flop and caught the luckiest cards ever , :rolleyes:

This was my demise :(

- pogal34 sitting in seat 3 with $42335.08
- wpkalle sitting in seat 4 with $347225.00 [Dealer]
- spizz80 sitting in seat 8 with $12340.08
- gimmedmoney sitting in seat 10 with $4099.84

spizz80 posted the small blind - $2000.00
gimmedmoney posted the big blind - $4000.00

** Dealing card to spizz80: King of Clubs, King of Diamonds
pogal34 folded
wpkalle raised - $8000.00
spizz80 went all-in - $12340.08
gimmedmoney folded
wpkalle called - $14340.08
wpkalle shows: Jack of Hearts, 3 of Hearts

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Hearts, Ace of Hearts, Ace of Clubs

** Dealing the turn: 10 of Hearts

** Dealing the river: 5 of Clubs
wpkalle wins $32680.16 from the main pot

End of game 623028167

citizen sane
18-11-2006, 06:48 PM
In the tourny above I was on the same table as wildrick for quite a while , a name thats high on the laddies leaderboards .

Was expecting some cute moves from him , but strangely he played ultra-tight for about 4 levels and in the end got blinded away :confused:

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 07:36 PM
Wasn't there?!?

Just made the worst call of my life, ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

DANCOO
18-11-2006, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
In the tourny above I was on the same table as wildrick for quite a while , a name thats high on the laddies leaderboards .

Was expecting some cute moves from him , but strangely he played ultra-tight for about 4 levels and in the end got blinded away :confused:

Wildrick is a MEGA tight player. He's so high on the leaderboards because he plays so many tourneys.

I think you typo'd that Scandi hand.

SamTheOldGoat
18-11-2006, 08:15 PM
Just lost over $200 in 30 mins from sick outdraws on five tables....

Got my own back on one of them,

KILLAGE (http://www.pokerhand.org/?619412)

DANCOO
18-11-2006, 11:37 PM
Well, my luck has definately turned round a little.

Won a $2.50 express satellite to a $25 re-buy satellite.
One in ten win a seat at the big money package final.
5 places win a seat and I make the last 6 sitting in 5th (but several close stacks).
Lots of all-ins, barely any flops being seen.
UTG raises 2 x BB, I push all-in with QQ.
UTG calls with AA and tells me I will need to get lucky...I do.
Q on the flop all but sends him out, and I crack AA with an underpair for about the fourth time in a week.
It was a poor call considering the way the table had been playing, but I think he would have pushed on the flop anyway, and I would still have won.

Micky Spilane
19-11-2006, 02:15 AM
Just had problems on Laddies tonight, Hold 'em went down for about 45 mins, fortunately I didn't go to bed, when the STT came back I quickly worked out there were only three LIVE players, two of us understood what was going on, but, tomato10 didn't have a clue and went out 4th!

DANCOO
19-11-2006, 11:04 AM
M_S, I was watching the final table of the $40K GTD last night when all of a sudden all the tables dropped off. There were three left on the final table, I bet the were going f*cking mad when that happened.

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 02:25 PM
It sound slike you boys need to get of Ladbrokes, sounds like a right shambles!

Dan, tell me about this 'package' you'll be playing for, when does it start etc?

RichieG
19-11-2006, 02:25 PM
I was playing a $10 SNG on laddies when all the Hold Em tables died, bl00dy annoying as I think I was 2nd in chips out of 7, but they have at least credited the buy-in back to my account.

Weird that you got back on after 45mins Micky, my table died at 0100, and I waited until 0200 before going to bed and I still couldn't get back in!

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 02:27 PM
REMINDER FOR THE POKER COMPETITION ON TUESDAY!

DANCOO
19-11-2006, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
It sound slike you boys need to get of Ladbrokes, sounds like a right shambles!

Dan, tell me about this 'package' you'll be playing for, when does it start etc?

Occassionally the lobby wouldn't show all the information, like showing all the players, but all with the same chips etc...

I think they had a s/w (that stands for 'SOFTWARE' STOG;)), update recently. Since the update, the lobby shows incorrect information about 90% of the time - like saying there are 30 players remaining when there are in fact 60, or saying the highest stack is 210,000 chips, when it is actually on 18,000 chips - it's not too big a problem as you can see for yourself how many players are left and you are able to roughly work out average chip stacks.
The most annoying thing since the update though, is it will occassionally show NO main lobby information at all. So when you log in, you are unable to see ANY tables. And as has been mentioned a couple of times already, VERY occassionally, all the tables suddenly stop running and you get booted off.
I stick with Laddies because I know nearly all of the decent players playing style, and also because Laddies have recently been running loads of good value tourneys, which are often being under subscribed.
They also do a lot of 'Added prize' tourneys as a way of apologising for the errors which have been happening.
Example: at 13:30 and 15:30 today, they are running two $2000 added prizes for entry into the $90K GTD this evening.
The first one (which I missed :grrr: ), has 148 runners, with 53 places paid all of entry into the $90K - pretty decent odds there :p

Regarding the tourney I have won entry into, it's a $275 buy-in on December 10th.
1 in 10 get entry to every big money event from 11th Dec - 17th Dec (the total value being $2,465).

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 04:38 PM
PING, Good luck and well played to get there.


Had a bad day yesterday and tilted more than i care to imagine, started playing again successfully this afternoon before realising how much Uni work I've got to do so signed out of MSN, turned off 'Star's and not attemtping to read books on female participation in golf- BLOODY DISSERTATIONS

Micky Spilane
19-11-2006, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
M_S, I was watching the final table of the $40K GTD last night when all of a sudden all the tables dropped off. There were three left on the final table, I bet the were going f*cking mad when that happened.

Yep, seems like the cheap seats came back first. Noticed there were no probs with Omaha or Stud. Once I'd completed my game, eventually, I couldn't even check my balance. Site went down totally! Checked today and without going through my history I'd say I've been short-changed, even though I stuck with it and finished 2nd!

DANCOO
19-11-2006, 08:46 PM
If you're not sure, send them an email and complain anyway. You may get an 'inconvenience payment' like I did.

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 10:42 PM
Wahooooooo, had a superb night multi-ing! Another couple of hands from the evening

CHECK THESE BETS INTO ME WHERE I WIPE THEM!

CLICK ME (http://www.pokerhand.org/?621301)

click me (http://www.pokerhand.org/?621157)

DANCOO
19-11-2006, 10:49 PM
GoatFaceSam said "SHIP IT ALL YOU MUG" :(

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 10:54 PM
I nearly didn't post it because of that!

OK, Let me defend myself, I had 2 guys at me from the start due to outdrawing AA with 74...........

This guy was one of them!

Apart from that my morality and ethics at the table are generally upheld!

If you play on Tuesday, you'll see that Dan ;0

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 11:01 PM
You must know what it's like when you've got people under your skin jibbing you, especially two. Taking a pot of them taket he anger out of me!

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2006, 11:09 PM
No commentry here dude ;)
Click>asdgs (http://www.pokerhand.org/?621363)

SamTheOldGoat
20-11-2006, 03:35 PM
Can you get a better flop than this?
click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?622370)

Finbar
20-11-2006, 03:39 PM
Sorry to state the obvious but yes!!

SamTheOldGoat
20-11-2006, 04:04 PM
;)

SamTheOldGoat
20-11-2006, 04:27 PM
RIGHT, I HAVE ORGANISED ANOTHER PRIVATE TOURNAMENT:

Next Tuesday 21st Nov: 9.30pm (for those that couldn't make it before)

NO LIMIT HOLD'EM

$10 buy in

Password for Tourny - eagles (IN LOWER CASE)

Tourny I.D 36067323


To register you click on

TOURNEY > PRIVATE > SCROLL TO 21st NOV IN DATE ORDER.....

As Pokerstars is a US company, PLEASE search for private tournaments and under Goat's NO LIMIT $10 TOURNY, starting at 4.30pm USA time (9.30 PM UK TIME), register by clicking register.

Come join the fun!

Gav The Hamster
20-11-2006, 04:52 PM
STOG - i think your a little 'poker mad'. We can all flop the nuts and win decent size pots yet i'm not sure there is any need to post up each and every time it happens and expect a pat on the back. Why dont you show us some of the muppet calls you make as well to balance it out ?

SamTheOldGoat
20-11-2006, 07:50 PM
Indeed, I am a little poker mad, I enjoy it and am successful with it. With pleasure Mr Hamster. I enjoy seeing hands which have been played well, got lucky, got unlucky, but if you insist, I shall cease to clutter the thread up with my Hand Histories.

PS, I don't make donk calls ;)

SamTheOldGoat
20-11-2006, 08:00 PM
PS, none of them are 'decent size pots'

PoolKing
20-11-2006, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Indeed, I am a little poker mad, I enjoy it and am successful with it. With pleasure Mr Hamster. I enjoy seeing hands which have been played well, got lucky, got unlucky, but if you insist, I shall cease to clutter the thread up with my Hand Histories.

PS, I don't make donk calls ;)

It is up to you what hands you post and the reasons behind it. In fairness to you I like how you don't post many bad beat posts, something that a few pages back this thread seemed to turn into. Bad beat posts are the only ones I dislike as they are pointless and nobody is really interested in anyone else's bad beats and in terms of analysing play, you can't learn much as they show you played the hand well but got unlucky, something that you must learn to accept.

With regards to you, I like some of the hands you post and it is clear you are passionate about your poker:p

DANCOO
20-11-2006, 10:25 PM
:D

Don't you just hate it when the table sees a bluff of yours that you really don't want them to see.

I've been giving up a lot of SB's to portray a tight table image, but then stealing within the next couple of hands with some success.

Approaching the money, and I'm in mid pos with 10 6o

I raise 2 x bb and get the SB and BB (who is tourney chip leader) calling.

Flop comes A24, we all check.
Turn comes 2, checked to me and I bet about 1/2 pot. SB folds, BB calls.
River is a mid card.
BB checks to me, and I give up the pot and check aswell. He easily has my chipstack covered, and I feel sure he has something.
He turns over 67s, and was drawing to a flush.
I take down my biggest pot of the tourney holding nothing. :D

Of course, now the whole table has seen my hand I suddenly have to tighten up immensly (I don't believe a double bluff would work too well in this situation), and am resorted to having to fold 66 in mid pos because I know I am now vulnerable to an all-in.

And as I type this I've just been bubbled but one, calling all-in with my KK going down to an AK flush. :(

SamTheOldGoat
20-11-2006, 11:11 PM
BLEUGH

Strathclyde Eagle
20-11-2006, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Can you get a better flop than this?
click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?622370)
Bet you didn't want to see the nine on the turn though!

Finbar
21-11-2006, 12:21 AM
Sam, I for one enjoy taking a look at your hands, keep it up. Hadn't occurred to me that you didn't put up bad beats, either you're lucky or you bury your head in the sand like me. Either way :p

saul1664
21-11-2006, 01:30 AM
betfair hasnt got much better $10 sit n go, one hour 8 minutes (6 handed), went on so long antes went into the pot

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Bet you didn't want to see the nine on the turn though!

Nope! I thought I could have been beat there, but the club on the riv calmed me down a bit!

Thanks very much Finbar and Pool King. I do take bad beats, I don't whine about them, that's one thing that annoys me in poker! Instead I just get on with it. Now I'm multiing low limit tables to stop me getting bored the donks provide even more bad beats! calling for runner runner etc! I will then continue to post hands that IMO are interesting/different/funny/stupid, GAV THE HAMSTER et al can choose not to open the posts.

I am obviously passionate about the game, and enjoy it immensely and to be honest have learnt aspects and things about the game from this thread that I hadn't know before, so thanks for all those that have contributed to that :)

PS, Tomorrow should be pretty good in the comp, got a few people who are playing from 'AWORLDOFPOKER' and will advertise it on PocketFives.com :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
betfair hasnt got much better $10 sit n go, one hour 8 minutes (6 handed), went on so long antes went into the pot

Thought about changing Saul? That would COMPLETELY put me off..... I haven't played BF since the new s/w (like that Dan? ;)) has been brought in but it used to be pretty slick, a few forums have SLATED it

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Same as.

Watched it a fair bit on TV and played it on yahoo, but you can't really judge if you'd be any good until you get your money out.
I think the William Hill site allows you to play with 15p limits, so I might give that a go, just to see how it goes.

If I do my bollocks in ten minutes I will probably decide it's not for me.

Just found this quote on page 1!

Oh how times have changed hey Dan?!?!?

And P1 has Mickey Spilane considering taking the game up!

Micky Droy
21-11-2006, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Indeed, I am a little poker mad, I enjoy it and am successful with it. With pleasure Mr Hamster. I enjoy seeing hands which have been played well, got lucky, got unlucky, but if you insist, I shall cease to clutter the thread up with my Hand Histories.

PS, I don't make donk calls ;)

Post away compadre.

I shall register with Pokerstars and play the bbs tourny tonight. Am well up for a bit of that. How many are we expecting?

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 09:54 AM
Cheers Mickey :)

By tonight, there should be at least a full 9 man table, hopefully more, it will fill up towards the competition and I'll plug it a bit more when I get back from a meeting :)

Strathclyde Eagle
21-11-2006, 10:25 AM
By the sounds of things Betfair are going to have to revamp their software or they'll not have any players left.

Son of Selhurst
21-11-2006, 10:25 AM
I'm back on the "No more online poker" promise to the missus at the moment.... :(. And Ramsay's kitchen nightmares is on.

Finbar
21-11-2006, 10:48 AM
I might be a bit late for the comp tonight, as it's only $10 am happy to chance it and if I do miss it then I'll just have to win the next one, the fact that it's now at 9.30 is a big help, actually does that mean I have to reregister?

Micky Droy
21-11-2006, 11:12 AM
I say that but have just played two little satellites and won them both so am in the LEOTOP and the Aussie Millions Daily Final tonight on Laddies. They start at 7.45 and 8.45 so unless I bust out of them both by 9.30 I don't think I'll be able to make it to PokerStars.

Having said which, busting out of both early is very possible )

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 03:51 PM
Get them all running Mickey ;)

Finbar, your already registered mate :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 03:52 PM
All the best in them both Mickey, let us know how you get on :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 04:45 PM
Gav, you wanted to see a donk hand....

Here you go, please note the flop bet of 50c was a mis=click

click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?624384)

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 05:02 PM
Love losing AA V KK PF for the whole stack......

REEEEEEEEEEELOAD

PING (http://www.pokerhand.org/?624399)

Finbar
21-11-2006, 05:13 PM
Sam, just seen your signature, is the comp tonight at 9 or 9.30?

Gav The Hamster
21-11-2006, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Gav, you wanted to see a donk hand....

Here you go, please note the flop bet of 50c was a mis=click

click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?624384)

Cant get into any gambling related sites at work fella.

BTW I got no problems with you posting hands but at at times its seemed as though you never lose which we all know is nigh on impossible online.

I may give Pokerstars a go tonight if you ve still got space ?

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 05:29 PM
Yer, loads of space :)

Sorry Finbar, comps at 9.30!

SamTheOldGoat
21-11-2006, 06:20 PM
Arghhhh, think this one played quite well and the bluff was the only way to win the pot imo...

sadgasg (http://www.pokerhand.org/?624515)

Finbar
21-11-2006, 09:33 PM
so is the comp cancelled then?

Son of Selhurst
21-11-2006, 10:15 PM
Appears so

oz_da II
22-11-2006, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Gav, you wanted to see a donk hand....

Here you go, please note the flop bet of 50c was a mis=click

click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?624384)

I fold the turn, there.
Rarely if ever play King-shit kicker.

SamTheOldGoat
22-11-2006, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I fold the turn, there.
Rarely if ever play King-shit kicker.

Yup, me too normally Oz, not sure what came over me! That's why it's my 'donk hand of the day' :D

FINBAR=Please accept my apologies mate, I came to sit at the table and it appers that PS don't let you play HU tournies. I will organise the next one in plenty of time, not just a day before so we can attract larger numbers. The first tournament we had had 8/9 runners but I cocked up and chose it as PL!

I will organise one for next week and give PLENTY of warning :)

Sorry again....

PS, Here's a nice little hand, the turn scared me, but this guy was a MANIAC and COMPLETE donator

Flopping the cake (http://www.pokerhand.org/?625263)

speechless
22-11-2006, 01:29 AM
the thing about this poker boom is that it has spawned a generation of know-it-all odds generating machines that never play any hand they are anything other than 70% favourite in. maths is not my strong point, i have got a grasp of the dynamics of the game and can make calls based on previous experience but why does someone think that purely because i take a risk i am a bad player automatically?

last night i played against a few rich american kids in a no-limit hold em game, one of them reloaded 5 times before finally conceeding defeat. i cleared up though i was kamikaze on one of my hands. or was it?

i only had about $12 of chips left, not quite short stack but not far off it at all. i got 77, against JJ. yeah i thought i would be dominated if i called but poker, for me, is about risk and what type of feel i get from a hand. so i played it and doubled up with full house aces full of sevens. he was pissed.i didnt care. he was a slick haired mouthy little shit that clearly did nothing other than play poker online and read stats books. what a prick.

Micky Droy
22-11-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by speechless
the thing about this poker boom is that it has spawned a generation of know-it-all odds generating machines that never play any hand they are anything other than 70% favourite in. maths is not my strong point, i have got a grasp of the dynamics of the game and can make calls based on previous experience but why does someone think that purely because i take a risk i am a bad player automatically?

last night i played against a few rich american kids in a no-limit hold em game, one of them reloaded 5 times before finally conceeding defeat. i cleared up though i was kamikaze on one of my hands. or was it?

i only had about $12 of chips left, not quite short stack but not far off it at all. i got 77, against JJ. yeah i thought i would be dominated if i called but poker, for me, is about risk and what type of feel i get from a hand. so i played it and doubled up with full house aces full of sevens. he was pissed.i didnt care. he was a slick haired mouthy little shit that clearly did nothing other than play poker online and read stats books. what a prick.

The thing is that those who make money not only make the right calls at a crucial time, but they will generally make sensible plays that will win more than 50% of the time. That way, over time, they will profit.

You;re right that it is different at crucial times in a tournament. Playing your middling pair when short stacked in a tourny is not so crazy. You are about 50/50 against anything but a higher pair, and need to double up.

So it's a mixture of the odds, intuition and knowing when you stick them in.

Bear in mind too that the top players rarely want to see a hand down to the river, unless they are slow playing the nuts.

SamTheOldGoat
22-11-2006, 03:15 PM
Vomit:

click (http://http://www.pokerhand.org/?626026)

DANCOO
22-11-2006, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Vomit:

click (http://http://www.pokerhand.org/?626026)

Link broken.

SamTheOldGoat
22-11-2006, 05:06 PM
Should be fixed....

Fixed link (http://www.pokerhand.org/?626026)

Strathclyde Eagle
22-11-2006, 05:43 PM
Runner-runner for a flush... ouch.

Not loaded up to the max. Reckon he was just looking for a table to push all-in on. Wrong table, but he got lucky.

Strathclyde Eagle
22-11-2006, 05:56 PM
Been having some low-cost heads-up matches to get some practice in. Some Italian guy who flopped a set of sixes let me catch my runner-runner straight for free. I put him all-in on the river and he called and then proceeded to put lots of Italian words into the chat box. Pity I've no idea what he's on about. :)

Strathclyde Eagle
22-11-2006, 06:00 PM
Apparently I'm a son of Troy, although I'm guessing that babelfish doesn't cover all Italian insults. :D

SamTheOldGoat
22-11-2006, 06:09 PM
PMSL:D

Yer, he got lucky, not sure how he can even call the initial raise, think it was $8 or so!

DANCOO
22-11-2006, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Been having some low-cost heads-up matches to get some practice in. Some Italian guy who flopped a set of sixes let me catch my runner-runner straight for free. I put him all-in on the river and he called and then proceeded to put lots of Italian words into the chat box. Pity I've no idea what he's on about. :)

I read, what I found, a really amusing comment in someones profile the other day on Laddies.
The question was - 'What is your best poker moment?'
The guy had put in as his reply something along the lines of - 'Playing a cash game and I was in the BB holding 82o. UTG flat called and I was able to see the flop without putting any money in. I flop 2 pair, and UTG bets. I raise, then UTG re-raises all-in.I call. He turns over AA, and I bust him with my two pair. The guy then proceeds to call me a fish before leaving the table.' :D

oz_da II
22-11-2006, 10:11 PM
Anyone who limps in with pocket bullets in a cash game needs shooting.

SamTheOldGoat
23-11-2006, 10:56 AM
PMFSL!

My housemate plays the $3 SNG's to some success however claims it's good to 'mix up the play sometimes and limp with AA. I did nearly shoot him when he said it!

DANCOO
23-11-2006, 11:23 AM
In tournaments on a full table, I will limp in with AA UTG about 80% of the time - unless everyone is playing mega-tight.

SamTheOldGoat
23-11-2006, 01:31 PM
Yup, I see where your coming from, I think it's possibly different in a tourny to a cash game :)

DANCOO
23-11-2006, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yup, I see where your coming from, I think it's possibly different in a tourny to a cash game :)

Just a little :), but there are occassions where I may flat call in a cash game also.

DANCOO
23-11-2006, 06:10 PM
More upgrades on Laddies, graphics this time.
I'll get used to it, not sure if it prefer it or not though, it's definately...bigger!

Oooh, shaded chips aswell, very flash. :)

DANCOO
23-11-2006, 06:21 PM
EDIT : Another good feature. You can now show your (losing/folding), hand before you muck it.

samtheeagle
23-11-2006, 06:40 PM
Theres a freerole on pokerstars tonight with a prize of 2 tickets to the preston game on saturday!

SamTheOldGoat
23-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Details etc?!?

Micky Spilane
23-11-2006, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
More upgrades on Laddies, graphics this time.
I'll get used to it, not sure if it prefer it or not though, it's definately...bigger!

Oooh, shaded chips aswell, very flash. :)

Just been on, what a pile of poo, delays, did not act in time when clearly I did, very slow, I reckon it will go down before the evening ends, asking me to muck my hands when I've folded, could go on, they clearly haven't tested this enough by far! :veryangry

Gav The Hamster
23-11-2006, 11:02 PM
i agree Micky, its terrible. just as bad as betfair when they first released their new software

Micky Spilane
23-11-2006, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
EDIT : Another good feature. You can now show your (losing/folding), hand before you muck it.

Just saw your comment, not something I'd care to advertise!

Micky Spilane
23-11-2006, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
i agree Micky, its terrible. just as bad as betfair when they first released their new software

What really annoys me is that last night I did rather well in the late night crapshoot, 16th out of 299 and I was looking forward to having another go tonight, but the way the software is running I'm not sure I should place my hard earned into playing only to be pi$$ed about with the probability of it going down at any time!

Gav The Hamster
23-11-2006, 11:13 PM
congrats on last night. Perhaps pick another site whilst laddies is having teething problems. I keep thinking my connection is lost and then the whole table seems to time out, its getting ridiculous !!

And right on cue, in a STT and cash table, and everything has just frozen on me lol

DANCOO
24-11-2006, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Just saw your comment, not something I'd care to advertise!

Not something I would do often, but there are reasons why I definately would on occassions, it's just a shame it asks you every time you are in that position.

Regarding the upgrade, I hated Laddies s/w when I moved from Will Hill, it's just something which will take getting used to. Give it two months and you won't even remember what the old s/w was like.

oz_da II
24-11-2006, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Just a little :), but there are occassions where I may flat call in a cash game also.

Heads up with a LAG, I suppose. But I'm still raising especially if there is more than one person already in the pot.

saul1664
24-11-2006, 02:12 AM
sit and go, heads up going for ages, both with 4K

blinds 200/400

raised to 400 with 7 10 diamonds

flop 8 d 9d Kd

he reraises 600 call all in

turns over 8 K

turn 2 clubs

river 8 for full house

:eek:

SamTheOldGoat
24-11-2006, 10:04 AM
Could you/would you EVER lay this down?! I certainly wouldn't!

What do you guys think is your best lay down ever?

Mine was in a casino, AA on the button and 4 all ins before me! I didn't think AA would be live so passed and sure enough it was V AK AK 10 10 and 99 and I would have lost to a straight. Obviously wouldn't do it in the rebuy stages but we were pretty deep
Click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?629156)

Strathclyde Eagle
24-11-2006, 12:15 PM
Just had another heads-up match where the other player went all-in on every hand. Lucky for me that AJ suited held up with the second hand.

Took ages to finish him off after that though. Think it was the fifth time I called him that I eventually got him.

Strathclyde Eagle
24-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Could you/would you EVER lay this down?! I certainly wouldn't!

What do you guys think is your best lay down ever?

Mine was in a casino, AA on the button and 4 all ins before me! I didn't think AA would be live so passed and sure enough it was V AK AK 10 10 and 99 and I would have lost to a straight. Obviously wouldn't do it in the rebuy stages but we were pretty deep
Click (http://www.pokerhand.org/?629156)
Worked out well, not sure I could pass it though. However if people are going to be eliminated I think that could justify it. That in addition to it being a big multi-way pot.

I just ran that through the calculator (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=&d=&h=Ad+Ac%0D%0AAs+Ks%0D%0AAh+Kh%0D%0A10h+10d%0D%0A9c +9s) Funk Butter posted ages ago and in a five way pot AA is slightly less than 50/50 to win (I made both AKs suited, just in case that makes a difference).

I laid down pocket Queens once on a board of JJxx on the turn. The other player put me all-in and if I'd have called I would have lost. I actually thought he was either making a move on me or had a Jack, he said later he had pocket Aces. I wound up finishing about five places higher in the tournament because of that laydown.

Son of Selhurst
24-11-2006, 01:06 PM
I was playing a 100-seat satellite for the Pokerstars Aston Martin DBS Tournament last night. The blinds go up quite quick. Found myself starting to slip behind (blind-wise) when I picked up AJs in the cut-off. Pushed all-in and the BB called with AK.... :(

It held up for him and I went out in 35th.

8 more attempts for me before I run out of FPP......

DANCOO
24-11-2006, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle

I just ran that through the calculator (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=h&b=&d=&h=Ad+Ac%0D%0AAs+Ks%0D%0AAh+Kh%0D%0A10h+10d%0D%0A9c +9s) Funk Butter posted ages ago and in a five way pot AA is slightly less than 50/50 to win (I made both AKs suited, just in case that makes a difference).


Do you have to add some sort of 'string' in that?
I don't think there is an easier one to use than this one >>> http://www.thehendonmob.com/pokercalc/index.html

Cheers for the title change aswell S_E.:p

Strathclyde Eagle
24-11-2006, 05:12 PM
I was trying to be clever and link straight to Sam's example. :clown:

Quite like that Hendon Mob calculator, but the cards at the bottom could do with being a bit larger.

saul1664
25-11-2006, 02:24 AM
blerrrggghh 101 $5 tourney, another 4 hours on betfair, peaked after about 3 hours called an all-in for 40K on final table with KA ran into KK, made it into final 75k against 125K, lost pretty rapidly because I was too tired to have a long heads up (last MTT took 50 minutes for heads up and difference between 1st and 2nd wasn't significant). So not fussed when straight ran into flush, still four hours play. Still 5 into 90 in one day isn't too bad.

Torn between going somewhere else and staying here as my play is good enough to land me on most final tables, but don't seem to have the marathon runners stamina needed. Need to stock up on red bull and lucozade i think.

knowlesyUCLA
25-11-2006, 08:12 AM
because im stuck in the US until further notice i failed to capitalise properly on my first ever online multi-table tournament. playing partypoker.com last night with play money, a field of 3790 began.

i did well, made some excellent calls and more importantly played well with cards that werent great, or with cards that missed the flop when i made pre-flop raises. maintained a strong table image throughout, once the people that didnt care were gone. i was chip leader of the whole tournament for quite a while too.

ended up placing fourth, which i am really quite proud of. i know it was play money but in the USA no-one can bet online, so i am led to believe, so the majority of those playing were experienced cash game players i expect. highlight was either hitting quad Kings on the turn in one hand or bluffing with a Q 7 with my chip stack taking a real beating - made a really good sized bet which completely fooled the other player, despite the fact he must have had at least a pair (which i didnt).

DANCOO
25-11-2006, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by knowlesyUCLA

ended up placing fourth, which i am really quite proud of. i know it was play money but in the USA no-one can bet online, so i am led to believe, so the majority of those playing were experienced cash game players i expect. highlight was either hitting quad Kings on the turn in one hand or bluffing with a Q 7 with my chip stack taking a real beating - made a really good sized bet which completely fooled the other player, despite the fact he must have had at least a pair (which i didnt).

I'd be pretty gutted if I was in the States with the current ruling on online poker, but I'm certain there must be a way around it, if not, well, there's money to be made by somebody somewhere who can offer a workaround service.
No real skill involved with playing quads, Q7 bluff sounds like the better play.:p

oz_da II
25-11-2006, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by knowlesyUCLA
because im stuck in the US until further notice i failed to capitalise properly on my first ever online multi-table tournament. playing partypoker.com last night with play money, a field of 3790 began.

ended up placing fourth, which i am really quite proud of. i know it was play money but in the USA no-one can bet online, so i am led to believe, so the majority of those playing were experienced cash game players i expect.

Steady....

No experienced cash game players are playing for play money.
They've still got about 200 days until the new "laws" kick in.
You were playing against muppets.

PoolKing
25-11-2006, 11:49 AM
I don't usually post hand histories here but can't believe the 1st hand in which I lost. The 2nd evens it out.

** Game ID 1052041750 starting - 2006-11-24 20:29:15
** Turbo Antique White [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Poolio sitting in seat 1 with $225.26
- saabaeroXL sitting in seat 2 with $376.08
- buxton sitting in seat 3 with $327.87
- Snakebait sitting in seat 4 with $316.10 [Sitting out]
- aaaaaaa sitting in seat 5 with $201.66
- Challe50 sitting in seat 6 with $782.98 [Dealer]

Poolio posted the small blind - $2.00
saabaeroXL posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Mummio: 5 of Diamonds, 5 of Hearts
buxton folded
aaaaaaa called - $4.00
Challe50 raised - $16.00
Poolio called - $16.00
saabaeroXL called - $16.00
aaaaaaa called - $16.00

** Dealing the flop: King of Hearts, 5 of Spades, 5 of Clubs
Poolio checked
saabaeroXL checked
aaaaaaa checked
Challe50 checked

** Dealing the turn: 7 of Spades
Poolio checked
saabaeroXL checked
aaaaaaa checked
Challe50 bet - $28.00
Poolio called - $28.00
saabaeroXL folded
aaaaaaa folded

** Dealing the river: King of Clubs
Poolio went all-in - $183.26
Challe50 called - $183.26
Poolio shows: 5 of Diamonds, 5 of Hearts
Challe50 shows: King of Spades, King of Diamonds
Challe50 wins $484.52 from the main pot

That is only the 2nd or 3rd time I can remember losing with 4 of a kind. To flop 4 of a kind and be a 96% flop favourite followed by 98% favourite after the turn only to be rivered is annoying, Nothing you can do though :(

Afterwards, late into the night though I was having a really good session and got dealt this hand:

** Game ID 1052818823 starting - 2006-11-25 05:36:43
** Inventius [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- MrDoni sitting in seat 1 with $395.80 [Dealer]
- ULF_VEGARD sitting in seat 2 with $130.95
- Poolio sitting in seat 3 with $2295.01
- buxton sitting in seat 4 with $1438.62
- Dungaa sitting in seat 5 with $433.30 [Sitting out]
- tronde sitting in seat 6 with $217.14

ULF_VEGARD posted the small blind - $2.00
Mummio posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Poolio: 4 of Spades, 4 of Clubs
buxton raised - $8.00
tronde called - $8.00
MrDoni called - $8.00
ULF_VEGARD folded
Poolio called - $8.00

** Dealing the flop: King of Spades, Jack of Clubs, 4 of Hearts
Poolio checked
buxton bet - $16.15
tronde folded
MrDoni folded
Poolio raised - $32.30
buxton raised - $48.45
Poolio called - $48.45

** Dealing the turn: 7 of Hearts
Poolio checked
buxton bet - $128.90
Poolio called - $128.90

** Dealing the river: 4 of Diamonds
Poolio checked
buxton bet - $386.70
Poolio went all-in - $2113.66
buxton folded
Mummio mucks: 4 of Spades, 4 of Clubs
Poolio mucks:
Poolio wins $2887.06 from the main pot

Here it seems to me my opponent has KJ throughout but at the river I really wish he had KK or JJ:D

PoolKing
25-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Also, I had another 4 of a kind win earlier on in that session, an odd night being dealt 3 4 of a kind hands and losing with one :eek:

** Game ID 1052609425 starting - 2006-11-25 01:41:19
** Inventius [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Jon-Paul sitting in seat 1 with $85.67
- TheChosen_1 sitting in seat 2 with $553.10
- Poolio sitting in seat 3 with $436.72 [Dealer]
- buxton sitting in seat 4 with $930.56
- Challe50 sitting in seat 5 with $392.00
- diffet sitting in seat 6 with $636.90

buxton posted the small blind - $2.00
Challe50 posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Poolio: 3 of Spades, 3 of Diamonds
diffet folded
Jon-Paul called - $4.00
TheChosen_1 raised - $15.00
Poolio called - $15.00
buxton folded
Challe50 folded
Jon-Paul folded

** Dealing the flop: 2 of Clubs, 9 of Diamonds, 3 of Clubs
TheChosen_1 bet - $24.00
Poolio raised - $62.00
TheChosen_1 called - $62.00

** Dealing the turn: 3 of Hearts
TheChosen_1 checked
Poolio checked

** Dealing the river: Queen of Clubs
TheChosen_1 checked
Poolio bet - $161.00
TheChosen_1 went all-in - $476.10
Poolio went all-in - $198.72
Poolio shows: 3 of Spades, 3 of Diamonds
TheChosen_1 mucks:
Poolio wins $880.44 from the main pot

End of game 1052609425

Strathclyde Eagle
25-11-2006, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I'd be pretty gutted if I was in the States with the current ruling on online poker, but I'm certain there must be a way around it, if not, well, there's money to be made by somebody somewhere who can offer a workaround service.
No real skill involved with playing quads, Q7 bluff sounds like the better play.:p
I thought Full Tilt and Poker Stars were carrying on, having taken legal advice that it would be safe for them to do so?

oz_da II
25-11-2006, 12:21 PM
They are definitely carrying on, not sure if they have taken any legal action yet.

SamTheOldGoat
25-11-2006, 06:53 PM
Indeed, still MANY poker rooms available to US customers including UB, FT & Stars.

Pool King, that is sick, 5 buy in's at 1/2 is cracking so top work to that. If your BR management is good, you must be making some proper good cash now with playing 2/4. Congrats on that superb session.

My best session is 8xbuy ins, the smile on my face didn't dissappear for a few hours after!

PoolKing
25-11-2006, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
If your BR management is good, you must be making some proper good cash now with playing 2/4. Congrats on that superb session.

My best session is 8xbuy ins, the smile on my face didn't dissappear for a few hours after!

BR and money management are still massive weaknesses for me so I have always been unable to progress properly despite having good skills. I am getting better though, you just have to develop a routine of discipline and sticking to rules no matter how much it hurts. With my bankroll I shouldn't have even been playing 2/4, I just had a good day and was up $400 so started there with $200 so that if I lost I would still be up something.

Regarding good sessions, what is the highest no. of buy-ins you have seen anyone reach? I used to always see a player reaching 7x buy-in almost every room he played, he must have had at least an 80% success rate! I once saw a player on 20xbuy-in ($2000 at 0.5/1 NL) though usually 10x seems to be the highest.

SamTheOldGoat
25-11-2006, 07:48 PM
SICK.....

To be honest, I've seen H@llinggol on stars, a HUGE cash game player from Sweden/Norway on $50k @ 25/50 so +10 buy ins.

Imagine sitting with 20 buy ins! PMSL, Imagine sat with $10k@5/10, I know of a good strategy on BR management, I'll find it out for you now and provide a link, and it may help :)

SamTheOldGoat
25-11-2006, 07:51 PM
Scroll to BR management, Fox's article is SUPERB

CLICK ME POOL KING (http://www.pocketfives.com/63D83453-C054-479F-A08A-90E5488E083B.aspx#3)

Oh, and here's a YouTube video of a good mate from home 16 tabling 5/10 sat with max on each table on Party/Stars

CLICK ME TO SEE SOME SICK STUFF (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tg-tJZ-nbzI)

SamTheOldGoat
25-11-2006, 07:52 PM
PS, Update your blog!

PoolKing
25-11-2006, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Scroll to BR management, Fox's article is SUPERB

CLICK ME POOL KING (http://www.pocketfives.com/63D83453-C054-479F-A08A-90E5488E083B.aspx#3)

Oh, and here's a YouTube video of a good mate from home 16 tabling 5/10 sat with max on each table on Party/Stars

CLICK ME TO SEE SOME SICK STUFF (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tg-tJZ-nbzI)

Thanks for the bankroll link, I will have a read

The 16 table stuff is impressive:eek: How long can he do that for? It must involve a lot of concentration. Also, 16 tables at those stakes he must be banking a fortune!

SamTheOldGoat
25-11-2006, 08:02 PM
Over 100k in September alone, he's 18yr's old too!

It's a regular thing, not just for the cameras!

Number Six
25-11-2006, 08:24 PM
OK, its a 25/50p limit Holdem game. Three left in after flop, one opponent has been raising.

Board is Jh, 7c, Kd. I'm holding 8h,9h. Would have folded on flop if any reraising had gone on but stayed in pretty cheaply with the gutshot straight draw.

Flop is Ah. Now I have flush draw as well which was obviously part of the original reason I played the hand at all.

Player 1 checks, player 2 (who has been raising) bets. I raised Player 1 folds, Player 2 calls the raise.

River is another heart and so I take it down, cueing fish accusations and sundry abuse from Player 2 over the raise on the flop - he had AK offsuit :-)

I still think it was a reasonable play, a little risk here seemed good to me.....on the basis I have 13 cards to get a straight or flush. So I build the pot a little, thinking no one will reraise (and could even fold) as they probably think I have the T,Q straight. Obviously, if nothing fell I knew I would lose but the winning hand will fall once every 3.5 times which (I think) will pay off in the long run (my profit was 9x the reraise).

Full hand is below. Any thoughts please? Was my thought pattern all wrong, am I a fish???


Game #4085937304: Hold'em FL (0.25/0.50) - 2006/11/25 - 19:25:29 (UK)
Table "Zimba" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: buddy (19.44 in chips)
Seat 2: StaticX (21.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Numbersix (25.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Raym24075 (4.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Sameliu (1.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Ggazza69 (4.14 in chips)
Seat 7: thargian (4.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Cragzh06 sits out
Seat 9: Mickus (21.05 in chips)
Seat 10: BELDAR (23.25 in chips)
thargian: posts small blind 0.15
Mickus: posts big blind 0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Numbersix [9h 8h]
BELDAR: folds
buddy: calls 0.25
StaticX: raises 0.50
Numbersix: calls 0.50
Raym24075: calls 0.50
Sameliu: folds
Sameliu sits out
Ggazza69: folds
thargian: folds
Mickus: folds
buddy: calls 0.25
----- FLOP ----- [Jh 7c Kd]
buddy: bets 0.25
StaticX: raises 0.50
Numbersix: calls 0.50
Raym24075: folds
Joyc01051 joins the table at seat #10
buddy: calls 0.25
----- TURN ----- [Jh 7c Kd][Ah]
buddy: checks
StaticX: bets 0.50
Numbersix: raises 1
buddy: folds
StaticX: calls 0.50
----- RIVER ----- [Jh 7c Kd Ah][5h]
StaticX: bets 0.50
Numbersix: raises 1
StaticX: calls 0.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Numbersix: shows [9h 8h] (A Flush, Ace high)
StaticX: shows [Kc Ad] (Two Pairs, Aces and Kings, Jack high)
Numbersix collects 7.55 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 7.90 Main pot 7.55 Rake 0.35
Board [Jh 7c Kd Ah 5h]
Seat 1: buddy folded on the Turn
Seat 2: StaticX showed [Kc Ad] and lost
Seat 3: Numbersix showed [9h 8h] and won (7.55) with A Flush, Ace high
Seat 4: Raym24075 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Sameliu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ggazza69 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: thargian (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mickus (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
****HAND ENDS****

SamTheOldGoat
25-11-2006, 08:26 PM
Got a few feelings about this play but off out for dinner!

Number Six
25-11-2006, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Got a few feelings about this play but off out for dinner!

Digs out tin helmet and awaits Sam's comments :-)

Gav The Hamster
25-11-2006, 09:54 PM
I dont really see it as fishy but considering its FL the way the game is played may be different to NL which is all I play.

A 'Fish' to me is someone going all in to call your bet when they have nothing but a draw and you have in comparison to his hand the nuts. They have say 6 outs and are prepared to go all in to try and hit and get lucky.

On this particular hand, you got a bit lucky yes, but he has AK and therefore 2 pair on the turn. When you raised on the turn, he should have re-raised you back to indicate the strength of his hand and especially considering the amount of possible outs the river could bring.

Its not a high percentage play but it worked and when the blinds are small then you can afford to call 50p's and 1's quite comfortably on the off chance you might hit. That's one of the main reasons why you get so many fish on smaller tables, because the money being played with isn't exactly life changing and worth taking the chance.

oz_da II
25-11-2006, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Number Six
Digs out tin helmet and awaits Sam's comments :-)

I would:

Fold the flop. With only two other players in the hand even if we actually do hit out unlikely straight we're not collecting a decent sized pot.

Call on the turn, we want as many players still in the pot if we actually do hit our hand here. No reason to scare anyone away.

Number Six
25-11-2006, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
I dont really see it as fishy but considering its FL the way the game is played may be different to NL which is all I play.

A 'Fish' to me is someone going all in to call your bet when they have nothing but a draw and you have in comparison to his hand the nuts. They have say 6 outs and are prepared to go all in to try and hit and get lucky.

On this particular hand, you got a bit lucky yes, but he has AK and therefore 2 pair on the turn. When you raised on the turn, he should have re-raised you back to indicate the strength of his hand and especially considering the amount of possible outs the river could bring.

Its not a high percentage play but it worked and when the blinds are small then you can afford to call 50p's and 1's quite comfortably on the off chance you might hit. That's one of the main reasons why you get so many fish on smaller tables, because the money being played with isn't exactly life changing and worth taking the chance.

Yes, I def. wouldnt have reraised in NL in case I got reraised massively back in which case the extra to stay in would not be worth the odds.

Number Six
25-11-2006, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I would:

Fold the flop. With only two other players in the hand even if we actually do hit out unlikely straight we're not collecting a decent sized pot.

Call on the turn, we want as many players still in the pot if we actually do hit our hand here. No reason to scare anyone away.

I think on reflection folding the flop probably is right, what with only having the gutshot straight.

His main complaint was the reraise. Where you say no reason to scare anyone away....I was thinking they might fold thinking I had the straight, so increasing my chances if my real straight or flush didn't hit. Although with the flush also there, the 50p extra wasn't a big deal, I thought I wouldnt get a reraise back with the str. hand sitting on the table.

saul1664
25-11-2006, 10:21 PM
agggh

sit and go prize money 1st 2 (3 left in play), 10 10 raise to 300, called all in by wild raiser he flips 22, 22 on flop for quads :eek:

saul1664
26-11-2006, 12:36 AM
then won a 6 seater sit and go when 900 played 7000 chips with some top rivering then to lose two heads up with runner runner st8 and KK vs A6 with A on flop. D'oh.

Son of Selhurst
26-11-2006, 04:05 AM
So who's played Pokerstars tonight and not been beaten continuously by bad beat after bad beat?

If someone calls your good hand, you know you're beat. 68, J5, Q6... brilliant hands. Well played.

If you're from Oz and think it's sour grapes, I'll PM you the hand history from the past 3 hours and you can see for yourself.

oz_da II
26-11-2006, 01:09 PM
So you want me to analyze your play? ;)

Micky Spilane
26-11-2006, 01:57 PM
Great night last night! Entered the Late Night Crapshoot on Ladbrokes and fnished 5th out of 304 for $210, happy days

saul1664
26-11-2006, 10:28 PM
Went out in about 15th in top 5 paid tourney. Killer was on 4600 chips calling an all-in on JJ for 1,600 chips, running into 10 10 which tripped on the flop and not getting any cards afterwards, QK with Q on flop running into a well disguised AA. Worst hand I saw in tourney was AA running into an all in 35 on a 249 board with 6 hitting, the guy did it about 3 times in a row with junk and was 20K tourney leader when I left.

Won a heads up straight afterwards. Getting better at these now and am playing far more patiently then before which seems to be paying dividends, though was playing quite a passive player for the level I was at.

DANCOO
26-11-2006, 10:52 PM
Poker Office

Can anyone who uses this confirm whether or not it has had a marked improvement in results?

I really need to look at what hands I'm losing most on, even though I almost know for a certainty it is AJ.

PoolKing
26-11-2006, 10:56 PM
I use PokerTracker and it is definitely worth the small price you have to pay for it. Even just learning what hands you lose with for a large sample is invaluable.

From all the accounts I hear Poker Office is a better piece of software so I would definitely recommend you get it.

SamTheOldGoat
26-11-2006, 11:05 PM
Dan, recommended PT a few times, only $55 bucks and get 1000 hands free to begin with too... also helps you keep an eye on opponents!

PK, Read that BR management article yet?

Anyway watch panorama tonight on internet gambling? Particularly highlighted the casinos/horseracing etc

eaglesrus
26-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Been a good day for me today.

Entered into a 9 euro satellite tourney early this afternoon and won that.

Qualified for a 60 euro tourney this evening and have just won that.

Now got a seat for a 470 dollar tourney on saturday evening.

The winner there gets a seat to a 5k live european circuit tourney along with 1.5 k towards accomodation and transport.

Feeling nervous already!

PoolKing
26-11-2006, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PK, Read that BR management article yet?

Anyway watch panorama tonight on internet gambling? Particularly highlighted the casinos/horseracing etc

Been reading most of the articles in the link you sent, all offer sound advice so thanks a lot
:p

The Panorama programme was interesting. Whilst I am fully against any kind of ban I think that there are a lot of perils with online gambling, mainly detachment from reality. For example, you see the chips as chips rather than real money so it is doesn't feel real. With betting you can bet 20 as easily as you can 2000, just by clicking a button, whereas having to withdraw 2000 and take it down to the bookmakers to place a bet you could have second thoughts and would definitely appreciate what you are doing to a higher degree.

oz_da II
26-11-2006, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Poker Office

Can anyone who uses this confirm whether or not it has had a marked improvement in results?

I really need to look at what hands I'm losing most on, even though I almost know for a certainty it is AJ.

Yes, improved results quite a lot. I've made a profit in 21 of my last 25 sessions since getting PO2.

In short, it's great for finding leaks in your game and also finding fishy tables as it also stores stats on your opponents.

Micky Spilane
26-11-2006, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
In short, it's great for finding leaks in your game and also finding fishy tables as it also stores stats on your opponents.

Does it do that automatically, the fishy tables, stats?

Micky Spilane
26-11-2006, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Been a good day for me today.

Entered into a 9 euro satellite tourney early this afternoon and won that.

Qualified for a 60 euro tourney this evening and have just won that.

Now got a seat for a 470 dollar tourney on saturday evening.

The winner there gets a seat to a 5k live european circuit tourney along with 1.5 k towards accomodation and transport.

Feeling nervous already!

Good luck! :p

SamTheOldGoat
26-11-2006, 11:31 PM
^^^ True true, how much is it OZ, a one time fee etc?

PK, No probs, ALL of the strategy archived articles have a relevance to the game whether BR management, satellites, SNG's, cash, MTT's etc, glad they have and hopefully will in the future help mate :)

All the best EAGLESRUS, on what sites that etc?

SamTheOldGoat
26-11-2006, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Does it do that automatically, the fishy tables, stats?

Yes it does, and autoranks players, well PT does anyway. When your at a table you can open up PT and I presume PO and from there see all the games you've played against diff opponents, hands played, money won/lost etc.

Such a worthwhile investment for $55 imo :)

Micky Spilane
26-11-2006, 11:39 PM
Sounds good, where do you get it from, cnet?

SamTheOldGoat
26-11-2006, 11:42 PM
pokertracker.com, pokeroffice.com as well I presume! Let us know how you get on mate

DANCOO
26-11-2006, 11:57 PM
Just downloaded the Poker Office 2 review s/w.
Will see how I get on with it the next couple of days - it looks bloody confusing.

saul1664
26-11-2006, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Poker Office

Can anyone who uses this confirm whether or not it has had a marked improvement in results?

I really need to look at what hands I'm losing most on, even though I almost know for a certainty it is AJ.

True, I tend to flat call with AJ if I can get away with it and then hope to see two pair or a few Jacks on the flop. Ace on flop means you are easily dominated by QA KA and have no idea where you are if you are raised, and if you get a J on flop, you are going to get folds to any raise. It's a tough hand to play and one of my least favourties.

oz_da II
27-11-2006, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
^^^ True true, how much is it OZ, a one time fee etc?


$80 US, one time fee, get updates generally once a week (if not more), as software changes, seems to be very efficient in that respect.

oz_da II
27-11-2006, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Just downloaded the Poker Office 2 review s/w.
Will see how I get on with it the next couple of days - it looks bloody confusing.

Not at all confusing once you start using it.

Reps AJ
27-11-2006, 08:33 AM
Just had a look on the site and you can get PokerOffice free (sort of) http://www.pokeroffice.com/free.html

Finbar
27-11-2006, 09:02 AM
A mate of mine just one 6 $5 STT on Titan poker, qualified for a bonus of US$32,500, I once tried that and won three on the trot (for US$20 a table so think I needed 2 more for $20k) but blew out in the fourth

Anyone else had any joy with that kind of thing? the blinds go up quite quickly so clearly you need a lot of luck

eaglesrus
27-11-2006, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
^^^ True true, how much is it OZ, a one time fee etc?

PK, No probs, ALL of the strategy archived articles have a relevance to the game whether BR management, satellites, SNG's, cash, MTT's etc, glad they have and hopefully will in the future help mate :)

All the best EAGLESRUS, on what sites that etc?

Thanks.

Its on William Hill.Link to the tourney attached.

http://www.williamhillpoker.com/tournaments_ept.htm

Works out to be a approx a 300 buy in tourney. By far the biggest tourney I will ever of been involved in!

1 in 15 qualify for the next stage though 1 is guaranteed to qualify.

Hoping for as few people to particpate as possible as I prefer tourneys with as few chips in play as possible.

Guessing already that I am bound to finish second and leave with nothing!

SamTheOldGoat
27-11-2006, 11:55 AM
A link to Panorama for those who missed it

Check the guy doing last 4k (?) wtih 10 10 on q high board to lose to a set! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WATCH PANORAMA HERE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm)

saul1664
27-11-2006, 02:39 PM
complete riverings today

just finished 3rd (top two paid) in STT, short stacked dealt J 10, flop 9 Q K, called all in call, he turns over K 6, turn K river 6

Think I'll give it a rest and do the washing up.

SamTheOldGoat
27-11-2006, 03:48 PM
BLEUGH, Now THAT'S not nice^^^^

saul1664
27-11-2006, 06:01 PM
wasn't having as many riverings with new betfair s/w, but seem to be having them with a vengeance today.

SamTheOldGoat
27-11-2006, 06:51 PM
Why would badbeats be down to 'new software' in your opinion out of curiosity?

DANCOO
27-11-2006, 10:36 PM
Would you/anyone normally call in this situation. I didn't, but obviouisly should have.

Pasi68 posted small blind (100)
Carlito_1 posted big blind (200)
Dealing Hole Cards(Jh 8c )
parnas12 folded
3sheds folded
JudgeJP called for 200
bmanj113 folded
GackB went all-in for 1,010.31 (A 4)
gimmedmoney folded
CDickinson11 folded
Murryn folded
Pasi68 folded
Carlito_1 folded
JudgeJP called for 810.31 (5 5)
Dealing the Flop(Ah 8d 8h )
Dealing the turn(10s )
Dealing the river(Ks )
GackB wins 2,320.62 with Two Pair, Aces over Eights

Zola's Chin
27-11-2006, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Would you/anyone normally call in this situation. I didn't, but obviouisly should have.

Pasi68 posted small blind (100)
Carlito_1 posted big blind (200)
Dealing Hole Cards(Jh 8c )
parnas12 folded
3sheds folded
JudgeJP called for 200
bmanj113 folded
GackB went all-in for 1,010.31 (A 4)
gimmedmoney folded
CDickinson11 folded
Murryn folded
Pasi68 folded
Carlito_1 folded
JudgeJP called for 810.31 (5 5)
Dealing the Flop(Ah 8d 8h )
Dealing the turn(10s )
Dealing the river(Ks )
GackB wins 2,320.62 with Two Pair, Aces over Eights

Vital info missing - chip stacks. However, I'd have to be very, very, very drunk to call there, regardless of how many chips you had.

saul1664
27-11-2006, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Why would badbeats be down to 'new software' in your opinion out of curiosity?

I don't. Was seeming to happen less then on the old cryptologic network. Theres an update tomorrow morning, lets see what they end up doing.

Reps AJ
27-11-2006, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Just downloaded the Poker Office 2 review s/w.
Will see how I get on with it the next couple of days - it looks bloody confusing.

Just got it myself. Information overload :eek: :eek:

DANCOO
27-11-2006, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
Vital info missing - chip stacks. However, I'd have to be very, very, very drunk to call there, regardless of how many chips you had.

For some reason I though I had added all that.

I'm BB with around 3200, first caller has around 4500.

Strathclyde Eagle
27-11-2006, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
I don't. Was seeming to happen less then on the old cryptologic network. Theres an update tomorrow morning, lets see what they end up doing.
Here's where differing views come into play - I always thought the old Betfair software was pretty fair when it came to bad beats. Seemed to be far fewer there than Prima-based sites to me, although it wasn't scientific analysis by any means.

saul1664
28-11-2006, 01:29 AM
Tonight in three hands, AJ pairs A on board, raise $16 (in pot with loose caller who calls with junk) he has Q10 no flush no straight nothing paired pushes all in, now about $60 in pot turn 10 river 10.

Then does the same next hand with nothing on board has 9 10, turn 9 river 10.

Then calls my raises all the way to the river, have KQ against K7, King paired on board, river 7.

And does it to about 4 other players on the table gets to about $140 and leaves!

Hate the prima network, both for visual quality and the amount of bad beats. Must just be having a day for it?

SamTheOldGoat
28-11-2006, 08:58 PM
NotThisTime sat with $35k at 25/50

saul1664
29-11-2006, 12:05 AM
two tables at the same time (again on betfair)

99, 9 on flop, raise and push all in $40 called by 56 spades, nothing paired on board, 2 of spades on river completes his flush

KA, King on flop, push all in called with K3, 3 on turn

Apart from that tables were playing okay, though trip 10's twice ran into straights 10 to A and 2 to 6

Update doesn't seem to have done much

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
two tables at the same time (again on betfair)

99, 9 on flop, raise and push all in $40 called by 56 spades, nothing paired on board, 2 of spades on river completes his flush

KA, King on flop, push all in called with K3, 3 on turn

Apart from that tables were playing okay, though trip 10's twice ran into straights 10 to A and 2 to 6

Update doesn't seem to have done much

Tactic: Hit hand = all in?

saul1664
29-11-2006, 12:15 AM
They were all in calls 999 on flop all in for $40 he had 56 of spades, similarly on the KA vs K3, he hit after being put all in. Players will call with anything, so all ins seem to be more and more ineffective.

DANCOO
29-11-2006, 12:36 AM
Users of Poker Office 2 (or Poker Tracker).

Do you set your own variables for how the s/w determines who is loose/tight/passive,agressive etc..., or do you just use the default values?

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Users of Poker Office 2 (or Poker Tracker).

Do you set your own variables for how the s/w determines who is loose/tight/passive,agressive etc..., or do you just use the default values?

I use the default.

Went through my starting hand stats last night. After 5000+ hands my three costliest hands are A6, A3, & A4. I noticed this a while ago and have been chucking out these hands a lot more often than I used to, especially when in early position.

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
So you want me to analyze your play? ;)

Still waiting SOS...

I only charge $1/hand, full write up on each hand. :p

eaglesrus
29-11-2006, 11:42 AM
Went down to Gutshot poker club in London last night.

I Go quite regularly as they have a 5 rebuy tourney on a Tuesday and I far prefer playing live than behind a computer.

Played a good steady game and finished 3rd. Walked away with 270 which is nice.

Was playing from 8 through until 2.30 in the morning. shattered!

SamTheOldGoat
29-11-2006, 12:00 PM
Good work mate, bit of a crapshoot though or was it OK?

One thing I can't believe when I visit gutshot is the structure. It's FECKING AWFUL!

The blinds get MASSIVE so quickly, did you find this?

Play any cash after, low limit games there too, me and my brother stayed there till 7am! EEEEEEEEEK

KevTheOptimist
29-11-2006, 03:36 PM
Do these poker s/w cover betfair?

Betfair still dont produce hand histories as far as I'm aware

saul1664
29-11-2006, 04:34 PM
happened again

$25 STT, out 1st hand

have 9 10 flop 8 J Q

flat call a 170 raise to get a 3 on turn

he calls all in, turns over J 8

river J

PoolKing
29-11-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Users of Poker Office 2 (or Poker Tracker).

Do you set your own variables for how the s/w determines who is loose/tight/passive,agressive etc..., or do you just use the default values?

I use pokertracker and for auto-rating player the default values apply to 10 seat tables. Playing solely on 6 seat cash tables I downloaded 6 seater values to auto-rate players. If I had kept the default auto-rate rules players would have been artificially rated as being more aggressive due to more hands being entered in 6 seat games.

knowlesyUCLA
29-11-2006, 08:15 PM
was watching WSOP 2006 on espn yesterday and they were talking about one of the sickest beats ever in the main event.

one dude hit quads on the flop, only to be beaten by straight flush on the river after runner runner connectors. now im sorry, but that is as sick as it gets.

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Still waiting SOS...

I only charge $1/hand, full write up on each hand. :p

i.e. JimmyFloyd has $109 on a $50 max entry table. Let's see why....

PokerStars Game #7227130335: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/29 - 16:05:43 (ET)
Table 'Geminid III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: yantha87 ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 2: jimmyfloyd10 ($109.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CNote629 ($39.35 in chips)
Seat 4: fishk1ng ($31.35 in chips)
Seat 5: bmaximus ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Blartman ($30 in chips)
CNote629: posts small blind $0.25
fishk1ng: posts big blind $0.50
Blartman: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Qd 9d]
bmaximus: folds
Blartman: checks
yantha87: folds
jimmyfloyd10: raises $2 to $2.50
CNote629: folds
fishk1ng: folds
Blartman: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [7d As Kd]
Blartman: bets $0.50
jimmyfloyd10: raises $4.50 to $5
Blartman: calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [7d As Kd] [3s]
Blartman: checks
jimmyfloyd10: bets $8
Blartman: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [7d As Kd 3s] [2d]
Blartman: checks
jimmyfloyd10: bets $15
Blartman: calls $14.50 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jimmyfloyd10: shows [3d Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
Blartman: mucks hand
jimmyfloyd10 collected $57.80 from pot
Blartman said, "Q$ d"
jimmyfloyd10 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60.75 | Rake $2.95
Board [7d As Kd 3s 2d]
Seat 1: yantha87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jimmyfloyd10 (button) showed [3d Ad] and won ($57.80) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: CNote629 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: fishk1ng (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bmaximus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Blartman mucked [Qd 9d]

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 09:22 PM
Followed by:

PokerStars Game #7227311800: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/29 - 16:20:42 (ET)
Table 'Geminid III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sovietskee ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 2: GA book fund ($22.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CNote629 ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 4: fishk1ng ($43.20 in chips)
Seat 5: bmaximus ($32.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Blartman ($52.55 in chips)
bmaximus: posts small blind $0.25
Blartman: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Ah 2c]
sovietskee: folds
GA book fund: raises $0.50 to $1
CNote629: folds
fishk1ng: raises $3 to $4
bmaximus: folds
Blartman: calls $3.50
GA book fund: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Qd Ad 2s]
Blartman: bets $4
GA book fund: folds
fishk1ng: raises $6 to $10
Blartman: raises $38.55 to $48.55 and is all-in
fishk1ng: calls $29.20 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Qd Ad 2s] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [Qd Ad 2s Tc] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blartman: shows [Ah 2c] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
fishk1ng: shows [Ac Qs] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
fishk1ng collected $87.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $90.65 | Rake $3
Board [Qd Ad 2s Tc Jh]
Seat 1: sovietskee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GA book fund folded on the Flop
Seat 3: CNote629 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fishk1ng (button) showed [Ac Qs] and won ($87.65) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 5: bmaximus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Blartman (big blind) showed [Ah 2c] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Look at the FLOPS

2 players in : AQ v A2 and the Flop is A 2 Q !!!!!!

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 09:45 PM
Now this one was cool.

When I went all-in, the other player requested TIME....

Maybe because he had to check with his supervisor before he could change his cards.


PokerStars Game #7227555301: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/29 - 16:40:50 (ET)
Table 'Geminid III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sovietskee ($20 in chips)
Seat 2: cdeez8 ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: CNote629 ($22.30 in chips)
Seat 4: MgZ-SiM ($36.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Blartman ($39.05 in chips)
Blartman: posts small blind $0.25
sovietskee: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Kd 7d]
cdeez8: folds
CNote629: calls $0.50
MgZ-SiM: folds
proffalken joins the table at seat #5
Blartman: calls $0.25
sovietskee: checks
*** FLOP *** [7c 4h 8s]
Blartman: bets $2
sovietskee: folds
CNote629: raises $2 to $4
Blartman: raises $34.55 to $38.55 and is all-in

Long delay. TIME is called. We're all sitting here for at least a minute

CNote629: calls $17.80 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7c 4h 8s] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [7c 4h 8s Qd] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blartman: shows [Kd 7d] (a pair of Sevens)
CNote629: shows [Js Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
CNote629 collected $43.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $45.10 | Rake $2
Board [7c 4h 8s Qd 2s]
Seat 1: sovietskee (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: cdeez8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: CNote629 showed [Js Jc] and won ($43.10) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: MgZ-SiM (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Blartman (small blind) showed [Kd 7d] and lost with a pair of Sevens

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
i.e. JimmyFloyd has $109 on a $50 max entry table. Let's see why....

PokerStars Game #7227130335: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/29 - 16:05:43 (ET)
Table 'Geminid III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: yantha87 ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 2: jimmyfloyd10 ($109.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CNote629 ($39.35 in chips)
Seat 4: fishk1ng ($31.35 in chips)
Seat 5: bmaximus ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Blartman ($30 in chips)
CNote629: posts small blind $0.25
fishk1ng: posts big blind $0.50
Blartman: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Qd 9d]
bmaximus: folds
Blartman: checks
yantha87: folds
jimmyfloyd10: raises $2 to $2.50
CNote629: folds
fishk1ng: folds
Blartman: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [7d As Kd]
Blartman: bets $0.50
jimmyfloyd10: raises $4.50 to $5
Blartman: calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [7d As Kd] [3s]
Blartman: checks
jimmyfloyd10: bets $8
Blartman: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [7d As Kd 3s] [2d]
Blartman: checks
jimmyfloyd10: bets $15
Blartman: calls $14.50 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jimmyfloyd10: shows [3d Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
Blartman: mucks hand
jimmyfloyd10 collected $57.80 from pot
Blartman said, "Q$ d"
jimmyfloyd10 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60.75 | Rake $2.95
Board [7d As Kd 3s 2d]
Seat 1: yantha87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jimmyfloyd10 (button) showed [3d Ad] and won ($57.80) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: CNote629 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: fishk1ng (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: bmaximus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Blartman mucked [Qd 9d]

Any prior history for JF10?

Fold to the raise pre-flop, out of position and coming second to far too many hands. If I'm playing this hand I want more people in the pot.

Your account has started = $1 ;)

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 10:10 PM
Unlucky second hand.

I'm guessing you were on tilt for the 3rd hand... putting all our chips in ($38.55) to win $4.50 with medium pair... Madness.

Half price for that one, SOS.
No charge for the second hand.

Account = $1.50

DANCOO
29-11-2006, 10:33 PM
Watching the $40GTD on Laddies.

SCANNA posted small blind (300)
trosan posted big blind (600)
Game # 631,671,686 starting.
Dealing Hole Cards
mohlin1 folded
Longines folded
scruples1 folded
KatJ43 folded
JaffaCake went all-in for 8,672.66
dacke66 went all-in for 6,433.11
JaffaCake - AQ
dacke66 - 99
thistle folded
SCANNA folded
trosan folded
Extra chips returned to JaffaCake, 2,239.55
Dealing the Flop(9s As Qs )
Dealing the turn(9c )
Dealing the river(Qc )
dacke66 wins 13,766.22 with Four of a Kind, Nines

thistle then announced he folded JJ.

:)

Strathclyde Eagle
29-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Unlucky second hand.
Is kind of the problem though if you have high card/low kicker and you pair them both. You're very vulnerable to higher cards pairing up and dominating you. If there's a pair on the board you're just about drawing dead.

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:18 PM
PokerStars Game #7228783576: Tournament #36960940, $55.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/11/29 - 18:16:39 (ET)
Table '36960940 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: FRE4RE (2150 in chips)
Seat 2: Blartman (850 in chips)
Blartman: posts small blind 10
FRE4RE: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [As Ac]
Blartman: calls 10
FRE4RE: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 9d 2h]
FRE4RE: checks
Blartman: bets 20
FRE4RE: raises 80 to 100
Blartman: raises 730 to 830 and is all-in
FRE4RE: calls 730
*** TURN *** [Kc 9d 2h] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 9d 2h Ks] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FRE4RE: shows [Js Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
Blartman: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Blartman said, "oh"
FRE4RE collected 1700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 9d 2h Ks 7d]
Seat 1: FRE4RE (big blind) showed [Js Kh] and won (1700) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: Blartman (button) (small blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Is kind of the problem though if you have high card/low kicker and you pair them both. You're very vulnerable to higher cards pairing up and dominating you. If there's a pair on the board you're just about drawing dead.

Whatever.

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Is kind of the problem though if you have high card/low kicker and you pair them both. You're very vulnerable to higher cards pairing up and dominating you. If there's a pair on the board you're just about drawing dead.

Exactly. I've really shied away from playing ace-rag especially in early position. It's a chip burner.

Had a thought about your first hand SOS. It's either raise or fold. If he's loose aggressive, let's raise him (maybe double the pot) and see if he really has a hand. I still prefer the fold though. I think calling is the worst play especially being out of position.

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Whatever.

You don't agree?

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:20 PM
It. is. CONTINUOUS. You cannot be beaten by longshots EVERY TIME you get a hand!

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:35 PM
PokerStars Game #7229026132: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/11/29 - 18:34:35 (ET)
Table 'Sitarski' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Woodlight ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: JJK11C ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Blartman ($108.50 in chips)
Seat 4: sbeyertexas ($135 in chips)
Seat 5: totoshka ($244.50 in chips)
sbeyertexas: posts small blind $1
totoshka: posts big blind $3
Hats007: sits out
Woodlight: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Jd Kd]
Woodlight: checks
JJK11C: folds
Blartman: raises $3 to $6
sbeyertexas: folds
totoshka: folds
Woodlight: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 2d]
Woodlight: checks
Blartman: bets $3
Woodlight: calls $3
*** TURN *** [8d 6s 2d] [Ks]
Woodlight: checks
Blartman: checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 6s 2d Ks] [As]
Woodlight: bets $6
Blartman: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Woodlight: shows [2s Ts] (a flush, Ace high)
Blartman: mucks hand
Woodlight collected $33 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34 | Rake $1
Board [8d 6s 2d Ks As]
Seat 1: Woodlight showed [2s Ts] and won ($33) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: JJK11C folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Blartman (button) mucked [Jd Kd]
Seat 4: sbeyertexas (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: totoshka (big blind) folded before Flop

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:36 PM
Without the USA, they need to increase the rake. River it down, people. It'll come in

F**k this. I am live poker only now.

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:37 PM
PokerStars Game #7229058490: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/11/29 - 18:37:02 (ET)
Table 'Sitarski' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Woodlight ($245 in chips)
Seat 2: JJK11C ($92 in chips)
Seat 3: Blartman ($93.50 in chips)
Seat 4: sbeyertexas ($154 in chips)
Seat 5: totoshka ($232.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Hats007 ($46.50 in chips)
JJK11C: posts small blind $1
Blartman: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [2c 8h]
sbeyertexas: folds
totoshka: folds
Hats007: raises $3 to $6
Woodlight: calls $6
JJK11C: folds
Blartman: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [8s 8d Jc]
Blartman: checks
Hats007: bets $3
Woodlight: calls $3
Blartman: calls $3
*** TURN *** [8s 8d Jc] [8c]
Blartman: checks
Hats007: bets $6
Woodlight: folds
Blartman: raises $6 to $12
Hats007: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [8s 8d Jc 8c] [Ad]
Blartman: bets $6
Hats007: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Blartman: shows [2c 8h] (four of a kind, Eights)
Hats007: mucks hand
Blartman collected $62 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $64 | Rake $2
Board [8s 8d Jc 8c Ad]
Seat 1: Woodlight (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: JJK11C (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Blartman (big blind) showed [2c 8h] and won ($62) with four of a kind, Eights
Seat 4: sbeyertexas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: totoshka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hats007 mucked [Kd Qh]

Son of Selhurst
29-11-2006, 11:38 PM
I rest my case

Micky Spilane
29-11-2006, 11:55 PM
What the F*** is going on wiith Laddies yet again!

oz_da II
29-11-2006, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
It. is. CONTINUOUS. You cannot be beaten by longshots EVERY TIME you get a hand!

I don't...

Nothing crazy happeneing in any of your "examples"

oz_da II
30-11-2006, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
PokerStars Game #7229026132: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/11/29 - 18:34:35 (ET)
Table 'Sitarski' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Woodlight ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: JJK11C ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Blartman ($108.50 in chips)
Seat 4: sbeyertexas ($135 in chips)
Seat 5: totoshka ($244.50 in chips)
sbeyertexas: posts small blind $1
totoshka: posts big blind $3
Hats007: sits out
Woodlight: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Blartman [Jd Kd]
Woodlight: checks
JJK11C: folds
Blartman: raises $3 to $6
sbeyertexas: folds
totoshka: folds
Woodlight: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 2d]
Woodlight: checks
Blartman: bets $3
Woodlight: calls $3
*** TURN *** [8d 6s 2d] [Ks]
Woodlight: checks
Blartman: checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 6s 2d Ks] [As]
Woodlight: bets $6
Blartman: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Woodlight: shows [2s Ts] (a flush, Ace high)
Blartman: mucks hand
Woodlight collected $33 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34 | Rake $1
Board [8d 6s 2d Ks As]
Seat 1: Woodlight showed [2s Ts] and won ($33) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: JJK11C folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Blartman (button) mucked [Jd Kd]
Seat 4: sbeyertexas (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: totoshka (big blind) folded before Flop

Woody - very loose pre-flop.

Hits bottom pair on the flop, thinks he's a good chance he's in front as you've probably got face cards(raised preflop), which is correct.

Turn gets him a flush draw, this is your big mistake, why slow play top pair with possible flush and straight draws? Make him earn it.

River hits his flush. You lose.

SOS Advice Account = $2.50

Strathclyde Eagle
30-11-2006, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Without the USA, they need to increase the rake. River it down, people. It'll come in
Except Poker Stars is one of the site still accepting US players. :confused:

saul1664
30-11-2006, 12:45 AM
I still can't win a hand, mid position chip wise in $10 tourney KK on ragged flop, flat called for a nice raise, he checks turn, I go all in, he tuns over 78 and hits straight on river, out in 16th

saul1664
30-11-2006, 01:11 AM
Looks like I'll need a break to refresh my poker brain. Every good hand I have someone catches, every hand I catch gets outkicked. Nut flush just ran into straight flush, short on chips go all in on straight draw with top kicker, don't make the straight and rivered when AQ hits A on the board, he was behind until the final card.

oz_da II
30-11-2006, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Except Poker Stars is one of the site still accepting US players. :confused:

It is. :D

Next excuse SOS? :moo:

grey ghost
30-11-2006, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
What the F*** is going on wiith Laddies yet again!

cant get on to the poker either ?

Strathclyde Eagle
30-11-2006, 01:55 PM
Just watching a HORSE tournament on Poker Stars. There's one guy who is scooping all the blinds in a Seven Card Stud round, presumably because no-one else knows what they're doing. :D

I'd love to play HORSE just out of curiosity, but must admit that due to 7CS being involved I'd be pretty hopeless at it.

AddiscombeEagle
30-11-2006, 06:06 PM
I finished fourth in a tournament the other day. My first place, great feeling.

Micky Spilane
30-11-2006, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by AddiscombeEagle
I finished fourth in a tournament the other day. My first place, great feeling.

Nice one, how many were in it?

SamTheOldGoat
01-12-2006, 12:44 AM
OH MY LIFE, Been railing 1000/2000 Limit and 300/600 NL on Full Tilt, and just saw David Benyamine lose a $200k+ pot to Sbrugby=Brian Townsend I think, ABA20 on Stars, anyway, WOW

DANCOO
01-12-2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
OH MY LIFE, Been railing 1000/2000 Limit and 300/600 NL on Full Tilt, and just saw David Benyamine lose a $200k+ pot to Sbrugby=Brian Townsend I think, ABA20 on Stars, anyway, WOW
What hands?

AddiscombeEagle
01-12-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Nice one, how many were in it?

Just under a 100

oz_da II
01-12-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
OH MY LIFE, Been railing 1000/2000 Limit and 300/600 NL on Full Tilt, and just saw David Benyamine lose a $200k+ pot to Sbrugby=Brian Townsend I think, ABA20 on Stars, anyway, WOW

Speak of the devil, he's on telly here in Aus right now.

Final Table of the WPT Battle of the Champions, Season 3

SamTheOldGoat
01-12-2006, 12:54 PM
Benyamine?

aba20=sbrugby=brian townsend is playing on the lastest series of HSP3, due to be released in Jan.

Dan, can't remember EXACTLY, but

Raise by DB wtih JJ
Reraise by SB with AK

Flop comes A83, 2 hearts. Raise by DB, smooth call by SB, turn, rag heart, DB bets, SB reraises and DB shoves.

Just saw Gus Hansen drop about $100k at PLO and NL!

DANCOO
01-12-2006, 09:26 PM
For those of you who are using a trial version of Poker Office 2, or are not yet using it at all, drop me a PM and I will forward you a present. ;)

DANCOO
01-12-2006, 09:45 PM
Just seen flopped quads three times in the space of eight hands.:eek:

eaglesrus
01-12-2006, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Thanks.

Its on William Hill.Link to the tourney attached.

http://www.williamhillpoker.com/tournaments_ept.htm

Works out to be a approx a 300 buy in tourney. By far the biggest tourney I will ever of been involved in!

1 in 15 qualify for the next stage though 1 is guaranteed to qualify.

Hoping for as few people to particpate as possible as I prefer tourneys with as few chips in play as possible.

Guessing already that I am bound to finish second and leave with nothing!

Still the only one in this tourney. need 6 for it to go ahead or I just win 300.

any one like to join me???

DANCOO
01-12-2006, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Still the only one in this tourney. need 6 for it to go ahead or I just win 300.

any one like to join me???

Can't see the table, but if one is guaranteed to qualify, surely it should still go ahead and you would win the only place?

KevTheOptimist
01-12-2006, 10:50 PM
Now switched back to laddies. I like their new format and fed up with Betfair's constant disconnects and lack of certain features.

saul1664
02-12-2006, 09:25 AM
still keep getting outdrawn

Turbo. 8A, 8 on flop - two lower cards, short stacked, call all in. Called. Turns over 89, 9 turn.

saul1664
02-12-2006, 09:47 AM
and again

heads up 2 to 1 chip lead

KA A on flop

playing a loose aggressive player

calls me all in

I call

He as A4

4 on turn

SamTheOldGoat
02-12-2006, 12:07 PM
^^^ There's nothing bad beatish about either of those?!?!

Were they short stack etc, what image had you given off. It was just unlucky.

Strathclyde Eagle
02-12-2006, 12:41 PM
They're bad-beatish in the sense that he was ahead going to the turn.

Personally I'd just like to see two decent hole cards at some point! Is it just me or do you always seem to get dealt an Ace, King or Queen first, followed by a rag hand second? Certainly seems that way. You get excited for a second, and then the disappointment hits you.

Strathclyde Eagle
02-12-2006, 12:44 PM
Ooh, pocket Queens! Remind me to complain here more often. ;)

SamTheOldGoat
02-12-2006, 01:31 PM
:lol, Just limped in wtih QQ= NEVER AGAIN

DANCOO
02-12-2006, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
They're bad-beatish in the sense that he was ahead going to the turn.

Personally I'd just like to see two decent hole cards at some point! Is it just me or do you always seem to get dealt an Ace, King or Queen first, followed by a rag hand second? Certainly seems that way. You get excited for a second, and then the disappointment hits you.

Not sure what it's like on other s/w, but on Laddies I think it will always deal the higher card first. If you look at the information screen, it tells you what hand you are going to be dealt a split second before you actually see the cards.

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 08:58 PM
OK 10 people have signed up. Tourney is starting in 2 mnutes. The next 2 hours are going to be quite exciting!

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 09:16 PM
11 poeple signed up in the end. one has now been eliminated. started at 2.5k chips and curretnly at 2410 so not the best of starts but i am alive and fighting.

David Amsalem
02-12-2006, 09:16 PM
How do you play hands when you are 99% sure somebody is bluffing but you haven't hit.

I made a play today and I'm curious about what you think.

$10 STT, 10 handed. Blinds 15/30.

Four people in the hand, the person after the button raised to 110. The rest called, me in second position holding KQs.

Flop is rainbow 2 5 9.

Based on the previous play and how these other three have played there hands, I know nobody has hit but because of the raise I know that I'll be behind because somebody will be holding an ace.

The player who acts first I put on an Ace because he made the initial raise. He bets half the pot.

Because of this play, I think that he is trying to steal it knowing that nobody has hit. Obviously, I'm not holding a better hand but I know he hasn't hit. I bet the value of the pot now in an attempt to steal it.

The next two fold but he calls. Anyway, he checks the turn, I bet a quarter of the pot knowing if I'm to win the hand, I'm going to have to bet it. He calls. The same happens at the river. Sure enough, he turns over AJ and takes the pot.

Now, firstly, what do you think of my play? I don't know which view to look at it from - 1) you're behind, don't raise or 2) you put him on a hand that hasn't hit, you've been playing super tight, so try show that you've hit and take the pot.

He called a massive re-raise with A high. With a super tight image, surely he would have put me on a hand.

What does everybody think? Looking for some constructive replies and information on how you play hands where you are behind but know that they haven't hit based on there previous hands.

David Amsalem
02-12-2006, 09:17 PM
Also, is that me trying to be to clever baring in mind that it is only a $10 table?

Strathclyde Eagle
02-12-2006, 09:37 PM
Probably your opponent is someone who isn't too observant. Also you might need to put something a bit bigger in on the turn to scare him off.

Just had a very weird STT. Got crippled early thanks to a bad all with AQ (second pair beaten by a big stack holding K8 and hitting), then tripled up with AQ. Then had AA on the button and as I was under ten big blinds put it all in, not expecting a call. As a bonus the big blind had 88 and called. Held up, now in the top three.

Get AsKs and raise. Player behind me goes all-in and I call. He's got Ah10h - perfect... until a 10 hits on the flop. No help for me and I'm down to 730 with blinds of 100/200. AJos next hand, all-in, called by QQ and it holds up for my opponent so I'm out in sixth. One of those games where the only consolation is that apart from the first AQ hand I wouldn't have played anything differently.

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 09:58 PM
Up to 3140 chips, still 10 people left and sitting in 5th place. A solid start but not spectacular!

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 10:14 PM
Up to 4320 chips in second place, still 10 people left though

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 10:17 PM
down to 9 people.

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 10:36 PM
down to 7 people. still in second place with 4883 chips

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 10:48 PM
down to 5 people now. on 5090 chips

eaglesrus
02-12-2006, 10:54 PM
and im out in 5th place, a bit gutted, a10suited against ak, ak held up. no big pay out for me then!

SamTheOldGoat
03-12-2006, 02:54 AM
UL eaglesrus, what would it have paid again?>!?!?


David-I would probably flat cal the raise and bet the turn..... Did you not put him or either of the other three on a pair, even 88 probably likes that flop. Will read properly tomorrow. Off to bed now.

Had a superb two days multiing low limits, and PokerOffice is SUPERB, and much easier/better than PokerTracker. The Live Tracker that follows every table, literally live and shows your cards, the flop and every single out/percentage to hit straights, flushes etc is great.

Uploaded 12, 000 hand histories this evening and VERY impressed!