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Funk Butter
08-02-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Here's mine:

8400 hands - 6 handed

AA(36) - 72.22%(showdown) Positive profit
KK(34) - 47.37%(showdown) Positive profit
QQ(61) - 73.77%(showdown) Positive profit
JJ(37) - 60.87%(showdown) Positive profit
TT(38) - 84.21%(showdown) Positive profit

Quite an amazing stat with the frequency of queens.
My most profitbale hand at the moment. The ladies love me.:lux:

Cowboys not so much...
I had this post a few weeks ago:

"I have 77,000 ring game hands catalogued, and my win percentage goes like this: AA, KK, QQ, AKs, JJ, AQs, AKo, AJs, ATs, TT, 99, KQs, AQo... Interestingly, KQs is 29.83% winner, but overall I've lost money on it. Gotta investigate that.

Bottom hands are: 42o, 72o, T3o, Q2o, 52o, 93o, K2o, Q3o, 94o, 62o... Q4o is the first time I'm in a profit and its still only 1.58% winner.

I have 76,000 tourney hands recorded and its remarkably similar: AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AKo, JJ, AJs, AQs, TT, 99, AQo, ATs, AJo, KQs... Again, KQs is the first where I'm in the red."

I'm gonna have to go back and see what the percentages are.

PoolKing
08-02-2007, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Nice work with the HSP links, Sam. :p

Quick question for those using PT or PO.

What's your "Showdown Won %" for KK. Was a bit shocked when I saw mine. :eek:
Post your other high pocket pairs as well, if you like.


29,349 hands since January 1st (all 6 handed)

Hand Times Win% Win % when showdown Profit or Loss
AA 138 87.68 65.12 Profit
KK 123 80.49 62.79 Profit
QQ 127 81.89 71.43 Profit
JJ 140 77.86 56.82 Profit
TT 126 69.05 65.85 Profit

SamTheOldGoat
08-02-2007, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Every time I read an interview with James Woods in which he mentions Poker he always seems to be boasting about pulling off a big bluff. I'd imagine (without looking at the clip) that he isn't as smart as he likes to think he is.

Gosh, you really need to see my link, then you'll understand!

DANCOO
08-02-2007, 08:53 PM
Funk, being a bit of a Omaha Hi specialist, what do you make of this article >>> http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/pot-limit/

SamTheOldGoat
08-02-2007, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
My brothers playing on same table with possibly the most reknowned online player in the worldm, Johnnybax, playing as /-/4rris on Stars $109

Down to 18/258, guaranteed about $240... $7k first prize......

Reps AJ
08-02-2007, 09:49 PM
Its always frustrating to lose a big hand but, 20 minutes later, it makes it sooo much sweeter when you take all their money :D

Funk Butter
08-02-2007, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Funk, being a bit of a Omaha Hi specialist, what do you make of this article >>> http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/pot-limit/
That was a nice article. My favorite quote was "But again, PLO is position and betting. A solid player who understands the game and has deep chips, can play 3579 in position and eat up AAKK, while also play AAKK in position to eat up 3579. " I wish I could remember a H/L Omaha article I read by one of the members of the MIT Blackjack team that was very insightful. Will have to find that.

DANCOO
08-02-2007, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
That was a nice article. My favorite quote was "But again, PLO is position and betting. A solid player who understands the game and has deep chips, can play 3579 in position and eat up AAKK, while also play AAKK in position to eat up 3579. " I wish I could remember a H/L Omaha article I read by one of the members of the MIT Blackjack team that was very insightful. Will have to find that.

If you could find it I'd like to see it.
Although I still have occassional meltdowns, I seem to do better at Omaha than Hold'em, and actually enjoy it a lot more.

Reps AJ
08-02-2007, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
If you could find it I'd like to see it.
Although I still have occassional meltdowns, I seem to do better at Omaha than Hold'em, and actually enjoy it a lot more.

I've been playing pot limit Omaha recently and it is good fun and hopefully profitable, see post above :)

Only playing low limit $.50\$.50 at the moment while I try and get to grips with it

DANCOO
08-02-2007, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
I've been playing pot limit Omaha recently and it is good fun and hopefully profitable, see post above :)

Only playing low limit $.50\$.50 at the moment while I try and get to grips with it It's definately more 'fun' and holds my attention more than Hold'em.
Hi/Lo can be a bit of a grind though at times, so I need to get clued up on Hi aswell for a bit of a change from time to time.

Reps AJ
08-02-2007, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
It's definately more 'fun' and holds my attention more than Hold'em.
Hi/Lo can be a bit of a grind though at times, so I need to get clued up on Hi aswell for a bit of a change from time to time.

From time to time I forget how many cards I'm supposed to use - just put in a big re-raise with the nut full house... except I only had trips :D good job he folded :cool:

Funk Butter
08-02-2007, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
If you could find it I'd like to see it.
Although I still have occassional meltdowns, I seem to do better at Omaha than Hold'em, and actually enjoy it a lot more.
I didn't find the exact article I was remembering, but this is really similar. Pot Limit Omaha 8 (http://www.pokermafia.com/index.php?action=read_free_art&l1=&category_id=6&id=40) Unfortunately, I was written by a guy named Russ Georgiev, who is less than reputable in the gambling world. Most famous for openly bragging about cheating and collusion. And this little gem (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/browse_thread/thread/2358fb510565e48a/0f83f7175c7813aa?_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.gambling.pok er%2Fthreads%3Fgvc%3D2%26&_doneTitle=Back&&d#0f83f7175c7813aa) But I have taken some of the concepts in that article into my play.

SamTheOldGoat
09-02-2007, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
From time to time I forget how many cards I'm supposed to use - just put in a big re-raise with the nut full house... except I only had trips :D good job he folded :cool:

I remember doing that one of the first time I played Omaha and was wondering why the pot was shipped to the opposing player:D

I too agree that it's a more 'fun' game!

DANCOO
09-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
I didn't find the exact article I was remembering, but this is really similar. Pot Limit Omaha 8 (http://www.pokermafia.com/index.php?action=read_free_art&l1=&category_id=6&id=40) Unfortunately, I was written by a guy named Russ Georgiev, who is less than reputable in the gambling world. Most famous for openly bragging about cheating and collusion. And this little gem (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/browse_thread/thread/2358fb510565e48a/0f83f7175c7813aa?_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.gambling.pok er%2Fthreads%3Fgvc%3D2%26&_doneTitle=Back&&d#0f83f7175c7813aa) But I have taken some of the concepts in that article into my play.
Good article, interesting the part about that hand which was very hard to beat by one person - AA for the nut high, 23 for the nut low.
I really do need to brush up on my Hi/Lo play.

Strathclyde Eagle
09-02-2007, 01:26 AM
Erm, has Son of Selhurst been around here lately?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gcSuYHXIVg&mode=related&search=

SamTheOldGoat
09-02-2007, 10:08 AM
SOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGGED ;)

SamTheOldGoat
09-02-2007, 10:09 AM
PMFSL! You seen the other Bill Fillmath filims Strath?

oz_da II
09-02-2007, 10:19 AM
SOS aka Bill Fillmaff.

:clown:

DANCOO
09-02-2007, 11:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd1CCduAPLs&NR

SamTheOldGoat
09-02-2007, 06:22 PM
Links not working Dan?

Wish me luck, off to take down a £10R with £1k prize then smash the cash up later. Oh to dream :)

Strathclyde Eagle
09-02-2007, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PMFSL! You seen the other Bill Fillmath filims Strath?
No, but thinking about it having seen that. Very, very funny.

Reps AJ
10-02-2007, 12:57 AM
Just playing some pl Omaha and there was a bloke that seemed allergic to his money! Its was $100 max buy in cash table and he must have got cleaned out about 3 times but kept coming back for more... Still I left the table a nice $200 up :p

Omaha players - what is your opinion on pre-flop raises in pl Omaha? No hand is a massive favourite and it seems to me that, whilst you might thin the field a bit, you're wasting money - even with AAxx. I keep seeing the pre-flop raiser lose hand after hand or be forced to fold the flop

DANCOO
10-02-2007, 11:14 AM
Funk, what s/w do you use to track your Omaha hands - Poker Tracker?

SamTheOldGoat
10-02-2007, 11:31 AM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, lost AA to K5 this week when blinds were 200/400 and my stack was 5k, didn't slow play either, nice flush and nice call pal. FFS....

Then playing dealers choice after was up and down then busted out playing IRISH! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SamTheOldGoat
10-02-2007, 11:41 AM
EaglesRUS-2 weeks my friend:)

Reps AJ
10-02-2007, 10:24 PM
Just had my nut full house beaten by a straight flush :eek: :sob: :sob:

DANCOO
10-02-2007, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Just had my nut full house beaten by a straight flush :eek: :sob: :sob:

I think I posted this a while back.

Playing Hi/Lo and I flop trip 10's.
I bet the pot all the way to the river, getting flat called all the way.
The river gives me quads and I once again bet the pot, and get flat called.
The other player turned over the nut straight flush.
Fair enough I think, nice hand, but question why he didn't re-raise me.
I can't remember exactly what hand he said, but he tells me that he thought I might have had a full house (or something)!!!
WTF!!!
:veryangry :veryangry
Called me all the way when he thought he was behind, and he had an unbeatable hand, thick tosser.

DANCOO
11-02-2007, 12:41 AM
Playing Omaha for over two hours and honestly have hit absolutely •••• all.
Decide to call a raise with a very marginal hand (raiser plays aggressive when bigstack), and the following happens...sickening.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?811725

SamTheOldGoat
11-02-2007, 11:59 AM
runner runner, bluegh

SamTheOldGoat
11-02-2007, 02:53 PM
My best mate has turned $200 into $5k for a crack in 2 days playing high limits and literally doubling through then moving on up, a hand from a few mins ago! PS, He's a good player and he did exactly the same a few weeks ago! sick

http://www.pokerhand.org/?812979

DANCOO
11-02-2007, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
My best mate has turned $200 into $5k for a crack in 2 days playing high limits and literally doubling through then moving on up, a hand from a few mins ago! PS, He's a good player and he did exactly the same a few weeks ago! sick

http://www.pokerhand.org/?812979

What limits did he start at with $200?

Does he give you any tips?

Reps AJ
11-02-2007, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
My best mate has turned $200 into $5k for a crack in 2 days playing high limits and literally doubling through then moving on up, a hand from a few mins ago! PS, He's a good player and he did exactly the same a few weeks ago! sick

http://www.pokerhand.org/?812979

Assume your mate had the QQ... I do wonder why he didn't put the other bloke on KK or AA following his $1000 re-raise - he's either a genius or crazy!

eaglesrus
11-02-2007, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
EaglesRUS-2 weeks my friend:)

Cant wait!

Went down to big slick on friday.finished about 25th, buit disapointed.

Stack down to 7k blinds 1200/600.mid position,aj, someone calls, i push in, folds through, he calls and shows q10.
flop and turn bring nothing, river brings queen and i get busted out.

twice in a week that the q has screwed me over on the river!

SamTheOldGoat
11-02-2007, 03:53 PM
Yes, will be great, looking forward to playing cash through the night too! 2 days of full on poker action! :D My friend whose HH I posted above, MikeyMotts is also playing in Cardiff:)

Reps AJ, if you look at Straates 413 bet on flop, my friend min raises him which int heory is his stack but he didn't want to go all in rather keep him in the pot with the QQ, Straates re-reraise was only likterally 300 or so more for Mike to call so it wasn't actually $1000 reraise.

He sat at the table with $1200 and walked away with $2900 or so, Straate was NEARLY 50% or so for a win or split pot on the river I worked out so dodged a fair few cards.

Dan, he started at 1/2, doubled up, 3/6 doubled up, 2 tables of 3/6, sat down with min at 25/50 and doubled up then back down to 5/10 but that 10/20 was just for a laugh. He doesn't 'need' the money as in for a job so it's just free-rolling really. We played a lot at Uni and I actually taught him how to play but I don't have the balls to do what he does!

Funk Butter
11-02-2007, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Funk, what s/w do you use to track your Omaha hands - Poker Tracker?
Yeah, I got the Poker Tracker for Omaha. Haven't really delved into it yet, just gotten a big picture. Admittedly not played many tourneys, but my ROI is currently at 1,103% going back to March. Not bad, I guess. :rolleyes:

SamTheOldGoat
11-02-2007, 04:51 PM
WOW

DANCOO
11-02-2007, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Yeah, I got the Poker Tracker for Omaha. Haven't really delved into it yet, just gotten a big picture. Admittedly not played many tourneys, but my ROI is currently at 1,103% going back to March. Not bad, I guess. :rolleyes:

Cheers.
Might have to move over to Poker Tracker for my Omaha, as I play a fair bit now and Poker Office doesn't track Omaha.

David Amsalem
11-02-2007, 08:50 PM
Just d/l Party Poker and put some cash on there. Horrible, horrible set-out. Doubled up, withdrawn my cash and unistalled.

SamTheOldGoat
11-02-2007, 08:54 PM
My brother made SO much money on PP when it was open to Americans but has now moved over to Stars only.....

KevTheOptimist
11-02-2007, 09:46 PM
People not a fan of PP then?

So then, in your opinions, how best to turn $100 into $1000 online pokering? I mean, what level buy ins, SnG's? etc etc. If you were set this task how would you go about it and what timescales would you think were acheivable

SamTheOldGoat
11-02-2007, 10:15 PM
Kev, did you read my post above about my best friend? That's how I would do it if I didn't mind going bust lose AA to KK;)

SamTheOldGoat
12-02-2007, 02:51 AM
Does anyone remember in WSOP coverage that has been shown recently a guy called Brian 'the Icon' Micon? My brothers one of CL of $20r with 500+ entrants and is sat with him now He did the 'Thriller' dance after winning the pot and runs NEVERWINPOKER.COM :)

Funk Butter
12-02-2007, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Does anyone remember in WSOP coverage that has been shown recently a guy called Brian 'the Icon' Micon? My brothers one of CL of $20r with 500+ entrants and is sat with him now He did the 'Thriller' dance after winning the pot and runs NEVERWINPOKER.COM :)
What an ass, anything to get on tv. Its funny how Europeans always talk about crappy American players, when we say the same thing about Europeans.

Oh, and Party Poker sucks. That software is awful. Never worked on my desktop, and on my laptop the lobby was a disaster. Terrible layout.

SamTheOldGoat
12-02-2007, 06:51 PM
Layout is a disaster on my laptop too, but OK on PC....

What do you mean about American players V European played Funk?

Funk Butter
12-02-2007, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Layout is a disaster on my laptop too, but OK on PC....

What do you mean about American players V European played Funk?
Well for every European player I've heard say that Americans are crazy players, I get all sorts of American players that say the same about Europeans. At the WSOP couple years ago Daniel Negreanu had a tough decision on the river and asked his opponent where he was from. The guy said Europe and Negreanu said which country. The guy said Turkey and Negreanu folded. He said if he was from Sweden he would have called instantly.

DANCOO
12-02-2007, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Well for every European player I've heard say that Americans are crazy players, I get all sorts of American players that say the same about Europeans. At the WSOP couple years ago Daniel Negreanu had a tough decision on the river and asked his opponent where he was from. The guy said Europe and Negreanu said which country. The guy said Turkey and Negreanu folded. He said if he was from Sweden he would have called instantly.

I saw that too. :D

Gotta love Negreanu. :p

KevTheOptimist
12-02-2007, 09:39 PM
Any tips when you've missed EVERY flop in a half hour period which has basically cost you a lot purely through blinds and pre flop raises?

KevTheOptimist
12-02-2007, 09:40 PM
I.e. It's a weird type of feeling tiltish. Haven't lost a big pot so not out and out steaming but still very unhappy lol

Gav The Hamster
12-02-2007, 09:43 PM
when you have a big hand, go all in pre flop, hope they call and then hope it stands up :)

DANCOO
12-02-2007, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Any tips when you've missed EVERY flop in a half hour period which has basically cost you a lot purely through blinds and pre flop raises?

Ring or tourney?

KevTheOptimist
12-02-2007, 11:48 PM
Ring. I dropped $120 missing flops in the space of 45 mins on a .5/1 table. Good hands pre flop - totally missing flops and being raised out of sight - can't call with nothing and so bye bye blinds and pre flop bets....

DANCOO
12-02-2007, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Ring. I dropped $120 missing flops in the space of 45 mins on a .5/1 table. Good hands pre flop - totally missing flops and being raised out of sight - can't call with nothing and so bye bye blinds and pre flop bets....

Be positive that you didn't go on a mini tilt out of frustration and try to force the action.
Nothing worse than having a good session after a bad one and thinking 'Instead of my good session breaking even for my bad one, if I had played a little more sensibly when I was missing flops, this session would be putting me in profit.'
Done that many a time...

KevTheOptimist
13-02-2007, 08:51 AM
Won most of it back. Took till 1 am though.

Quite tired.

eaglesrus
13-02-2007, 09:51 AM
Ive decided that playing Poker at Rileys is quite profitable. The standard is shocking!!

35 people entered last night for the £10 rebuy. Played fairly tight but sensibly and won the tourney and collected around £240.

In the last 3 weeks (played in it 3 times) I have finished 1st, 3rd last week (would of won part from a very bad beat) and 5th.

Starting to plan this extra cash into my weekly expenditure!

KevTheOptimist
13-02-2007, 12:22 PM
Which Rileys do you play at eaglesrus?

eaglesrus
13-02-2007, 12:33 PM
Play at the Rileys in Clapham (live practically next door). Think they have got a poker night going at most of the Riley's clubs around our area.

KevTheOptimist
13-02-2007, 02:01 PM
This is brilliant. Where is SOS?

http://www.pokercomix.com/rigged.pdf

Funk Butter
13-02-2007, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
This is brilliant. Where is SOS?

http://www.pokercomix.com/rigged.pdf
"Our analysis of dozens of hands clearly proves that this type of action happens online far more than it should. That's right, proof that internet poker is rigged." :D

At the WSOP, I saw AA vs KK 5 times in the 3 days of play. The most interesting hand was AKs vs AKc. Both players had a straight at the turn with Royal Flush draws. One of the dudes hit the Royal knocked the other out.

KevTheOptimist
13-02-2007, 03:08 PM
I love the way they don't back up any of their analysis with any sort of attempt at evidence!

GUYS just remember the best online hand is not AA or KK. It's 7 2.

Limp in with your pairs but raise with your seven deuce off!!

Son of Selhurst
13-02-2007, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Ring. I dropped $120 missing flops in the space of 45 mins on a .5/1 table. Good hands pre flop - totally missing flops and being raised out of sight - can't call with nothing and so bye bye blinds and pre flop bets....

oz_da II
13-02-2007, 04:16 PM
Must be the all time stupidest article of "Poker is Rigged" I've ever seen.

So who is it exactly that's responsible for the rigging of internet poker? The reality is that it's all of these people. So far, they've been remarkably adept at maintaining an industrywide code of silence, an omerta of sorts.

:clown:

RichieG
13-02-2007, 05:14 PM
I think the clue is in the small print......

The contents of this ebook represent the opinions, more or less, of the author. No endorsement of any product or company is express or implied. By reading the content of this
ebook the user is releasing the author for any responsibility whatsoever, and the user assumes all risk from the use of this information. This ebook may or may not be serious.
Peace out.

Amusing reading though, I hope lot's of people take his advice ;)

SamTheOldGoat
13-02-2007, 06:47 PM
Here we are again fellow poker players........

High stakes poker, Episode 5. Sbrugby/aba20/Brian Townsend is one of the most profitable players online multing 300/600NL and PLO on FTP and Stars..... Enjoy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_pTRNDXc4

DANCOO
13-02-2007, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Here we are again fellow poker players........

High stakes poker, Episode 5. Sbrugby/aba20/Brian Townsend is one of the most profitable players online multing 300/600NL and PLO on FTP and Stars..... Enjoy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_pTRNDXc4

My midnight viewing sorted out again, nice one STOG.:p

KevTheOptimist
13-02-2007, 07:12 PM
AM still chugging my way through series 2!

DANCOO
14-02-2007, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Here we are again fellow poker players........

High stakes poker, Episode 5. Sbrugby/aba20/Brian Townsend is one of the most profitable players online multing 300/600NL and PLO on FTP and Stars..... Enjoy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_pTRNDXc4

Quote of the series:

Sam Farha joins the table and gets a hug from Eli Elezra, then Barry Greenstein pipes up - 'err, didn't Israel just bomb Lebanon?' :D :D

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 12:17 AM
Indeed-Gold ;)

Enjoyed Townsend telling Gold to pipe down as well :)

KevTheOptimist
14-02-2007, 12:40 AM
Series two. Does anyone have any idea what type of props these guys are playing for?

Gav The Hamster
14-02-2007, 01:38 AM
props ?

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 01:38 AM
Nope, I take it they've mentioned prop bets?

Interesting article about how an extra 2 million chips came into play at WSOP 2006....

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/2/two-million-chips-six-months-after.htm

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 01:42 AM
Betting Gav, so if I would make you a prop bet of £100 if you ate 20 Big Macs in an hour...........

DANCOO
14-02-2007, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Series two. Does anyone have any idea what type of props these guys are playing for?

The betting was on cards to hit the flop.
Negreanu's props included either 3's or 5's, because I'm pretty sure he was holding pocket 3's or 5's at one point, and so put in a big raise pre-flop as he was holding his prop cards so wouldn't hit.

se1eagle
14-02-2007, 10:36 AM
Well things have been going much better for me - after checking my losing hands with PokerOffice I became convinced I wasn't actually doing anything wrong and I was just suffering a bad run.

My bankroll is now up to $480 from an initial £20 deposit. At first I didn't have PokerOffice installed, but since installation it tells me I've played 5585 hands and made $216.14, which works out as $2.01 per hour at $0.25/$0.50 or 2 BB per hour.

Should I try moving up to $0.50/$1.00 or would people advise building up my bankroll a bit more first? 350 x BB would imply I really need $700 to move up, if I've understood correctly?

oz_da II
14-02-2007, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Should I try moving up to $0.50/$1.00 or would people advise building up my bankroll a bit more first? 350 x BB would imply I really need $700 to move up, if I've understood correctly?

That's correct.

I would keep building, I'm doing much the same at the same limits at the moment. I'm 1.81BB/100 after 9000 hands (since xmas).

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 11:39 AM
Defo keep building, you have a downswing as we all do and lose 4 buy ins at 50/1 and your busto.... check this for bankroll guidance....
Fox's is VERY good, but also check the other strategy archives, some superb stuff from the best players on the net and live.

http://www.pocketfives.com/63D83453-C054-479F-A08A-90E5488E083B.aspx#3

Out of curiosity, does anyone use the poker training sites that exist. I am about to join CardRunners but there are a few others around, www.pokerxfactor, sngicons etc. From what I read about online, they sound superb and have only read positive comments surrounding them, I suppose just a way to further my knowledge of strategy and better my thinking behind making calls and making plays. They have a host of video archives as well. I'll let you guy sknow what I think

KevTheOptimist
14-02-2007, 01:37 PM
So then, honest question, who actually plays within the bankroll requirements set out in that article?

Not me, and that is probably why I don't generally win long term!

Strathclyde Eagle
14-02-2007, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Well things have been going much better for me - after checking my losing hands with PokerOffice I became convinced I wasn't actually doing anything wrong and I was just suffering a bad run.

My bankroll is now up to $480 from an initial £20 deposit. At first I didn't have PokerOffice installed, but since installation it tells me I've played 5585 hands and made $216.14, which works out as $2.01 per hour at $0.25/$0.50 or 2 BB per hour.

Should I try moving up to $0.50/$1.00 or would people advise building up my bankroll a bit more first? 350 x BB would imply I really need $700 to move up, if I've understood correctly?
350 x $1 is $350 (if you're applying that to limit). Of the top of my head I can't remember what the equivalent is for No Limit buy-ins (if that's what you're playing).

The article Sam linked to is very good (I've Furled it so I don't need to go looking for it) and gives good ideas for bankroll depending on whether you're playing limit, NL, STTs or MTTs. It's pretty comprehensive rather than just a "300/350/400xBB" answer to cover everything.

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle

Should I try moving up to $0.50/$1.00 or would people advise building up my bankroll a bit more first? 350 x BB would imply I really need $700 to move up, if I've understood correctly?

$700 to play 100NL is nowhere near enough......... with $400 you should be playing .10/,25

se1eagle
14-02-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
350 x $1 is $350 (if you're applying that to limit). Of the top of my head I can't remember what the equivalent is for No Limit buy-ins (if that's what you're playing).

The article Sam linked to is very good (I've Furled it so I don't need to go looking for it) and gives good ideas for bankroll depending on whether you're playing limit, NL, STTs or MTTs. It's pretty comprehensive rather than just a "300/350/400xBB" answer to cover everything.

I could be wrong but I thought the BB was not the big blind, but the big bet, ie 2 times the big blind (so a big bet at $1 is $2)

se1eagle
14-02-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
$700 to play 100NL is nowhere near enough......... with $400 you should be playing .10/,25

Wow.. but that doesn't tally with the 350 x BB stuff I've read? I hate playing at the lower-limit tables - I've lost by far more money playing at 0.10/0.20 than at any of the other limits.

How much should I have to play at 0.25/0.50? (the level I am currently playing at).

oz_da II
14-02-2007, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I could be wrong but I thought the BB was not the big blind, but the big bet, ie 2 times the big blind (so a big bet at $1 is $2)

You're right there.

KevTheOptimist
14-02-2007, 04:45 PM
I too hate the smaller stakes BUT it does cancel out variance if you are a good player.

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 05:15 PM
SE1, did you manage to read the Fox article? What did you think about it chap?

se1eagle
14-02-2007, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
SE1, did you manage to read the Fox article? What did you think about it chap?

I did indeed - I was being blind and looking at the limit Holdem section rather than the NL section. Is the buy-in always 100x the Big Blind? That's the max buyin on Ladbrokes but I generally join the table with about 50x the Big Blind ($25).

If so it seems remarkably high - that would make the minimum requirement in the Unprotected column $700 in order to play at the $0.25/$0.50 tables that I'm currently on! In the Pro column I would need $2250 to play at this level!

se1eagle
14-02-2007, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I too hate the smaller stakes BUT it does cancel out variance if you are a good player.

I actually find myself losing at the smaller stakes - I end up being called down to the river and lose! So much so I now just refuse to sit at the $0.10/$0.20 tables - when I play well I end up being repeatedly muppeted out and then find myself tilting playing crap I'd never normally play against players who I respect.

SamTheOldGoat
14-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I
If so it seems remarkably high - that would make the minimum requirement in the Unprotected column $700 in order to play at the $0.25/$0.50 tables that I'm currently on! In the Pro column I would need $2250 to play at this level!

I understand and it could seem high, but it's obviously taking into consideration variance which is a massive aspect of management. Fox is one of the big online and off teachers/players and everytime I read about bankroll management EVERY one of the top players, both MTT, SNG and cash game players recommends sticking to his method. If you think with your $400 roll playing at 25.50, sitting with the max it's 8 buyins and without it's 16 which is a lot better, but what percentage do you sith with 50 BB?

Strathclyde Eagle
15-02-2007, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I could be wrong but I thought the BB was not the big blind, but the big bet, ie 2 times the big blind (so a big bet at $1 is $2)
I'm a dope. :clown:

Note to self, don't post when harassed at work.

P.S. I thought that article had notes about taking shots at higher levels. It doesn't discount it altogether.

citizen sane
15-02-2007, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Here we are again fellow poker players........

High stakes poker, Episode 5. Sbrugby/aba20/Brian Townsend is one of the most profitable players online multing 300/600NL and PLO on FTP and Stars..... Enjoy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_pTRNDXc4

Cheers for that Sam.:p

SamTheOldGoat
15-02-2007, 08:37 AM
No sweat mate, let me know if you enjoy it.... Definitely been better episodes but it uses up an hour of your time, so hey-hoe :)

KevTheOptimist
15-02-2007, 10:50 AM
I've been watching series 2 and negreanu is seriously getting shafted hand after hand!

quad 5's to his 6's full, then quad 8's to his nut st8, another nut st8 on flop beaten etc etc. I don't know what he sat with but he loaded money from Wli to carry on!

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I've been watching series 2 and negreanu is seriously getting shafted hand after hand!

quad 5's to his 6's full, then quad 8's to his nut st8, another nut st8 on flop beaten etc etc

The game must have been rigged;)

SamTheOldGoat
15-02-2007, 12:02 PM
Live poker is rigged as well as online ;)

Kev, he sat with $1m......

SamTheOldGoat
15-02-2007, 12:05 PM
ps, pk, your blog no worky chap?

DANCOO
15-02-2007, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
ps, pk, your blog no worky chap?

Must be your network settings.

Didn't you cay one of my links weren't working aswell a week or so back?

citizen sane
15-02-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I've been watching series 2 and negreanu is seriously getting shafted hand after hand!


He took some heavy hits in series one as well , towards the end you could see he was tilting a bit by making some very loose calls .

SamTheOldGoat
15-02-2007, 12:55 PM
This is all I get?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/POOLIO.jpg

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
ps, pk, your blog no worky chap?

Somebody deleted the entire blog so I have had to start it all over again...

SamTheOldGoat
15-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Grr..... wtf!

Strathclyde Eagle
15-02-2007, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Somebody deleted the entire blog so I have had to start it all over again...
Are there not any cached copies of old posts around the internet, or don't you want to go to the bother of finding/re-posting them (couldn't blame you if you didn't)?

KevTheOptimist
15-02-2007, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Somebody deleted the entire blog so I have had to start it all over again...

'Somebody' as in you?

;)

se1eagle
15-02-2007, 03:17 PM
Here's a dump of what I could find on the net - hope it's useful. You'll need to save it and edit it with a text editor (it'll look all screwed up in the browser).

Alternatively you could try surfing to:

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:hU5GG_mNijEJ%3Apooliopoker.blogspot .com/&hl=en&strip=1

budgie
15-02-2007, 04:27 PM
Incredible hand.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?825084

Micky Spilane
15-02-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by budgie
Incredible hand.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?825084

First hand as well! Suprised tootsy didn't raise though. 10 chips for a Royal Flush, priceless. :D

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Here's a dump of what I could find on the net - hope it's useful. You'll need to save it and edit it with a text editor (it'll look all screwed up in the browser).

Alternatively you could try surfing to:

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:hU5GG_mNijEJ%3Apooliopoker.blogspot .com/&hl=en&strip=1

Excellent, thanks a lot :p

As you know a lot more about this stuff than me - Is there anyway at all to get the whole of the blog back (I started writing it in september 2005)?

Strathclyde Eagle
15-02-2007, 06:53 PM
The Wayback Machine (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) ... actually I just tried that and it brought up nothing.

Try a number of search engines and look for the links marked "Cached".

Strathclyde Eagle
15-02-2007, 06:54 PM
Link not working - plenty of results in Google though.

KevTheOptimist
15-02-2007, 07:23 PM
Can anyone who multitables laddies let me know their technique for it because unless I'm missing something I think its the most inflexible software out of all of them for multitabling.

Also, poolio, what software do you use(prob mentioned previously)

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Can anyone who multitables laddies let me know their technique for it because unless I'm missing something I think its the most inflexible software out of all of them for multitabling.

Also, poolio, what software do you use(prob mentioned previously)

I play on Bet365 and the software is the same as Ladbrokes I think (microgaming). I play 4 tables and they overlap, playing with them in mini-mode is too hard I find.

In terms of tracking software I use PokerTracker though may switch to PokerOffice as that seems to get better reviews, both are good though and better than using nothing.

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
The Wayback Machine (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) ... actually I just tried that and it brought up nothing.

Try a number of search engines and look for the links marked "Cached".

Yep, tried that as I thought that may work. I might just leave it as even if I could recover all my posts it would likely take forever to edit and put back up every single one.

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by budgie
Incredible hand.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?825084

When I was playing earlier exactly the same thing happened! What are the chances of that!?!?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?825559

DANCOO
15-02-2007, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
When I was playing earlier exactly the same thing happened! What are the chances of that!?!?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?825559

Elvira_ holding a K high straight flush on the turn, and ends up chopping. :D

Strathclyde Eagle
15-02-2007, 08:24 PM
Sometimes chopped pots are more demoralising than losing pots.

On the few times I've multi-tabled I tend to have a seat in the top left on one table and the bottom right on the other. I don't fiddle with table sizes but this allows me to see my hole cards without too much effort.

And to finish, Poker Office is (IMO) so much easier to use than Poker Tracker. Wonderful program to use.

Strathclyde Eagle
15-02-2007, 08:27 PM
Just remembered what I was going to post. :D

Lost a heads-up tourney to a guy who I thought was pretty good. Was a 72% favourite with this (http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2394706) but he hit his Ace on the river (he had the flush draw as well so he made a pretty fair call). I left the window open while looking through some other things and two other players began a game. One went all-in with 22 on the first hand, only to be called by AA. :D (And just to show it happens, AA held up.)

PoolKing
15-02-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
On the few times I've multi-tabled I tend to have a seat in the top left on one table and the bottom right on the other. ... this allows me to see my hole cards without too much effort.


I do this too:p

se1eagle
15-02-2007, 11:10 PM
Hey Alex, I just sent you an email to the hotmail address on your blog profile. In it i've put a ZIP containing all your blog files - hope it's useful.

SamTheOldGoat
15-02-2007, 11:54 PM
Playing £30 home game now........CL, come on goaty!

PoolKing
16-02-2007, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Hey Alex, I just sent you an email to the hotmail address on your blog profile. In it i've put a ZIP containing all your blog files - hope it's useful.

Brilliant, thanks ever so much, I owe you one :p

DANCOO
16-02-2007, 12:29 AM
Finally cashed in a Hi/Lo tourney, after several near misses.
Finished 2nd in the end, bit unlucky to get knocked out how I did but pleased overall with my play.
Just need to transfer, as always, tourney form to ring game form.

DANCOO
17-02-2007, 08:15 PM
4th last night, going for a hattrick of hi/lo ft's this evening.
BTW - around 70 players last night. Start time 20:15, I got knocked out at 01:30 :eek:

DANCOO
18-02-2007, 12:02 AM
3 for 3. :)
Out in eigth this time, going backwards. :D

SamTheOldGoat
18-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

My brother just chopped up the $110 deep stack freezeout. 5k starting chips, 30 min blind levels, 300 runners, 10 hours of play but chopped 3 way for over $5k, Gosh I've been on the phone to him since 6am! :D

budgie
18-02-2007, 03:28 PM
My bankroll has improved over the last three days. Three tourneys, 4th in the first, 2nd yesterday and finally 1st today. All with with well over 100 runners. Well chuffed.

DANCOO
18-02-2007, 10:42 PM
Can one of the PS players on here at some point let me know what Hi/Lo tournies there are throughout the day.
How many/Buy-ins/time of tourney/average prize pool/...etc...
Thanks. :p

se1eagle
18-02-2007, 11:20 PM
Just came 5th in Laddies' $3000 Player Point Freeroll - $165 added to my bankroll makes quite a difference! :D

SamTheOldGoat
19-02-2007, 12:37 AM
Dan, will have a good look tomorrow for you and see how often the SNG's etc fill up.

Brothers CL again in $110, 330 runners on Stars, Come on goat junior! :D

DANCOO
19-02-2007, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Dan, will have a good look tomorrow for you and see how often the SNG's etc fill up.

Brothers CL again in $110, 330 runners on Stars, Come on goat junior! :D

Cheers. :p

What is 'CL'?

Also, anyone know what VAG means (poker, not cars)?

Strathclyde Eagle
19-02-2007, 10:45 AM
Chip leader?

DANCOO
19-02-2007, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Chip leader?

Oh yeah, that'll be it.:moo:

What about VAG?

Strathclyde Eagle
19-02-2007, 12:00 PM
Very Aggressive G...? (guessing)

SamTheOldGoat
19-02-2007, 04:14 PM
TAG=Tight agressive
LAG-Loose agressive
VAG=Not a look, possibly very agressive, but never seen it appear on forums?

Haven't looked in depth yet Dan, but a $20 Omaha hi lo starting in 17 mins with nearly 40 runners and I'd expect it to reach 75 or so.... Many more later on in the evening as the Americans awake :)

KevTheOptimist
19-02-2007, 04:59 PM
Do yanks still play online poker?

RichieG
19-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Indeed they do, mostly on Poker Stars I beleive, though most seem to moan that it's much harder than Party used to be.

Would be interested to hear how Party / Stars compare to Laddies, which is where I've played all my online poker to date.

DANCOO
19-02-2007, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
TAG=Tight agressive
LAG-Loose agressive
VAG=Not a look, possibly very agressive, but never seen it appear on forums?

Haven't looked in depth yet Dan, but a $20 Omaha hi lo starting in 17 mins with nearly 40 runners and I'd expect it to reach 75 or so.... Many more later on in the evening as the Americans awake :)

Someone was asking a Hi/Lo question on the 2+2 forum, and the reply was that his move would be VAG.

Too late for that Hi/Lo (not joined PS yet anyway), but is that tourney daily?
Anymore later on this evening?

DANCOO
19-02-2007, 05:37 PM
OMG, flopped an absolute monster hand, and I think I ••••ed it up.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?836984

Quite a loose table, I only wish I had raised pre-flop.

I think a strong play here is the correct play against so many players, but maybe a check raise would have suited this situation. :(

Strathclyde Eagle
19-02-2007, 07:11 PM
I was going to say that you have to protect the straight as there's a flush draw out there. Then I saw you had the nut flush draw. :clown:

DANCOO
19-02-2007, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I was going to say that you have to protect the straight as there's a flush draw out there. Then I saw you had the nut flush draw. :clown:

I posted the hand on a poker forum.
Relpy came back that you should NEVER raise pre-flop from the blinds (news to me!), but that the bet was absolutely the correct play with so many players - don't want others drawing to the low or seeing the board pair, just unlucky that no-one had anything else.

SamTheOldGoat
20-02-2007, 09:40 AM
FT at Broadways casino, £20R, don't you just love getting knocked out by your mate who raised your sb from the button and 'HAD TO' call because he was priced in, then flop going heart heart heart heart to give him miracles:D

KevTheOptimist
20-02-2007, 12:21 PM
Well the start of my new bankroll situation is going very well. Following the reading of the article from FOX I have been working on the assumption I need 15 x buy in to play at that level.

So I've stopped the whole putting in $100 and playing .50/1 blinds in order to combat variance.

So I didn't quite buy in at the full 15 x buy in as that would mean a buy in of $300 to play the .10/.20 tables but I figured $100 would be enough to start with as that was 5 buy ins and I was pretty sure I wouldn't go broke at that level with 5 buy ins.

Am now up to $245 in 4 nights of poker (about 2 hours a night on average). I went bust on my first buy in lol and that would have meant no poker for a while had I been playing a .50/1 table. As it was I trebled up with my next buy in and depite a few hiccups, I have been winning which makes sense if you play decent poker and have the bankroll to combat variance!

Well, the plan is to just carry on and climb the blinds as and when the bankroll will allow, I think that 15 x buy in is perrhaps a little high though as it will mean I'll have to wait until I have $450 before I can step up to the dizzy heights of 0.15/.30 tables!

I think in about a month I want to be playing 0.25/.50 tables but we'll see how it goes.

happy hunting

KevTheOptimist
20-02-2007, 03:07 PM
www.donkeytest.com

Can't get on it at work so can't tell you my scores but will post up shortly.

P.s. this is most likely a load of rubbish but still.

SamTheOldGoat
20-02-2007, 03:08 PM
Quality Kev and well done for taking it on board, it's a great article! Keep us updated, I'd like to know how you get on!

eaglesrus
20-02-2007, 03:25 PM
As I said this time last week ,Riely's is easy pickings.

They did a £20 freezeout tourney last night. 30 people entered.

Played well with the exception of a couple of hands (which annoyed me) however took down the tourney and won another £280.

An enjoyable evening and is putting me in good form for this weekend's entertainment up in Cardiff!

SamTheOldGoat
20-02-2007, 04:18 PM
Indeed, will you be playing cash too mate?

SamTheOldGoat
20-02-2007, 04:18 PM
Sorry, meant to say congrats first :)

DANCOO
20-02-2007, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
www.donkeytest.com

Can't get on it at work so can't tell you my scores but will post up shortly.

P.s. this is most likely a load of rubbish but still.

:p

Not sure I want to put this up here. :D

Oh well >>> My Poker IQ (http://www.donkeytest.com/report.html?uid=787878406d7278372e66736e65742e636f 2e756b-330-1171992702)

I must add though, that I have been ill for the last few days and wasn't really concentrating as I have a headache, which is also why my 'Computational Speed' is very low.;)

Apparantly I'm 'average', which for cash Hold'em, I would say is being generous.
Not sure why my tourney score was so low though!

Hope they do an Omaha H/L one, starting to get my play down pretty well on that now. :)

RichieG
20-02-2007, 06:25 PM
Does it really take half an hour?

DANCOO
20-02-2007, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by RichieG
Does it really take half an hour?

Yes.

I felt sick by the end of it - don't do it if you've got a headache. :(

SamTheOldGoat
20-02-2007, 06:33 PM
Started to do the thread but bored after 9! lol

se1eagle
20-02-2007, 07:27 PM
Well my IQ is apparently 95 so I reckon the test is broken! :D

PoolKing
20-02-2007, 07:45 PM
I got 0% in the tournament score when I did it :p

KevTheOptimist
20-02-2007, 07:54 PM
Well I got very bored very quickly and skimmed through the last 30 questions. Scored 85 with my best percentage being Computerisation or whatever it was at the bottom.

Will do properly another time but it's a little too boring for me!

DANCOO
20-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Well I got very bored very quickly and skimmed through the last 30 questions. Scored 85 with my best percentage being Computerisation or whatever it was at the bottom.


That's judged on how fast you completed the test. :D :D

DANCOO
20-02-2007, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I got 0% in the tournament score when I did it :p

Your $20k was obviously a fluke of astronomical proportions. ;)

DANCOO
20-02-2007, 09:38 PM
Anyone know where the link is to sign up to Poker Stars using CPFC as the affiliate?

SamTheOldGoat
20-02-2007, 09:45 PM
Nope, sorry mate, but do it, I want to organise a BBS NL tourny :)

PoolKing
20-02-2007, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Your $20k was obviously a fluke of astronomical proportions. ;)

It may well have been, have played around 40 tournaments since then (mid-august) and not finished ITM in any of them
:sob:

DANCOO
20-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
It may well have been, have played around 40 tournaments since then (mid-august) and not finished ITM in any of them
:sob:

:eek:

Mind you, I don't think my Hold'em tourney results are much better than that either - can't remember the last time I cashed in Hold'em.

I stick pretty much only to Omaha Hi/Lo now, really getting a feel for it now.

Will start playing Omaha Hi only soon aswell .

Strathclyde Eagle
21-02-2007, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Anyone know where the link is to sign up to Poker Stars using CPFC as the affiliate?
Do you get the weekly e-mails from the club?

DANCOO
21-02-2007, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Do you get the weekly e-mails from the club?

No.

I had a look at the main website, but couldn't see anything on there.

SamTheOldGoat
21-02-2007, 10:54 AM
JGFLIYK.UG/LIJ/;PIGLIY,FHV

Just updated 14,000 hands onto Poker Office and have moved into ----- in $1/$2 cash full ring. My most profitable has been .25/.50 6 handed and $1/$2 PLHE.

Dan, did you mention a while back you can't track your PLO stats, as I can but I mainly play PLO cash, is it not possible to track PLO tournies?

DANCOO
21-02-2007, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
JGFLIYK.UG/LIJ/;PIGLIY,FHV

Just updated 14,000 hands onto Poker Office and have moved into ----- in $1/$2 cash full ring. My most profitable has been .25/.50 6 handed and $1/$2 PLHE.

Dan, did you mention a while back you can't track your PLO stats, as I can but I mainly play PLO cash, is it not possible to track PLO tournies?

What's all that garbled stuff at the top?

I can't track my PLO cash stats using Poker Office, it says it doesn't support Omaha or Stud.

Are you using Poker Office or Poker Tracker?

I've tried using Poker Tracker, but I'm not having much luck figuring it out at the moment!

SamTheOldGoat
21-02-2007, 11:13 AM
The garbled junk is me being angry at myself for losing money in the last couple of weeks at 1/2, I took some time off and came back so hopefully it'll change around again and it's variance.

I thought I had PLO stats on PO, obviously I can't do as PO doesn't support it so I'll look into what PLO is on my stats.

I don't use PokerTracker anymore, it was slow and much harder to use and as a Hold'em guy rather than others it's the best for me, and it has regular updates to fill in 'voids' of the sites:)

Strathclyde Eagle
21-02-2007, 08:04 PM
Okay, I've heard of doubling up and tripling up, but what do you call it when you do it against four opponents?

I had just under 10x big blinds, was hoping I had just enough to make four limpers fold. Instead they all called and I got very lucky with Qc 3c.

Strathclyde Eagle
21-02-2007, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Anyone know where the link is to sign up to Poker Stars using CPFC as the affiliate?
Did you get the e-mail in the end Dan?

Strathclyde Eagle
21-02-2007, 08:21 PM
From 35th out of 35 to 2nd out of 24. C'mon!

DANCOO
21-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Did you get the e-mail in the end Dan?

I actually found the link on the main page.

Funk Butter
21-02-2007, 08:56 PM
Exerpts from EuroRounders (http://saddlepoint.livejournal.com/7844.html)

Teddy CIA: "We play, heads up, Pot Limit Omaha, 25 and 50 blinds, until one of us has it all?"

Michel: "Out of sheer curiosity, you realize you're giving up like boat loads of equity by agreeing to gamble for money that's effectively yours anyway, right? That you could just not let me play, and then kill me and take what I have?"

Teddy CIA: "I know, but I am a boorish American!"

- Michel and Teddy CIA laugh for seventy-two minutes -

DANCOO
21-02-2007, 09:12 PM
Funk - any advice on setting up Poker Tracker?
Does it have a table overlay like Poker Office?

Funk Butter
21-02-2007, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Funk - any advice on setting up Poker Tracker?
Does it have a table overlay like Poker Office?
I think you have to use Poker Ace, http://pokeracesoftware.com/ in conjunction with PT. Its been so long since I've used that though.

Funk Butter
21-02-2007, 09:57 PM
I also found this, http://sourceforge.net/projects/gametimeplus/

I have no idea which one I've used in the past, have to check when I get home.

DANCOO
21-02-2007, 10:26 PM
What are you using at the moment for your Omaha?

DANCOO
22-02-2007, 12:19 AM
••••••• sick.

Been leading Hi/Lo tourney all evening, sitting in 2nd and confident of winning it.

Call a small raise from chip leader holding ATTJ flop AT8.

He bets half pot, I call.

Turn 4.

He bets half again...and I'm thinking to myself - 'I know you've got pocket AA'

But as I have the other A I just can't decide.

If I call, he puts me all-in on the river anyway, so I push........:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

He has trip A's and I go out in 9th, and four other straglers are still there who have been splitting pots with on 2 x BB for the past 30 minutes.

Absolutely gutted.

KevTheOptimist
22-02-2007, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
••••••• sick.

Been leading Hi/Lo tourney all evening, sitting in 2nd and confident of winning it.

Call a small raise from chip leader holding ATTJ flop AT8.

He bets half pot, I call.

Turn 4.

He bets half again...and I'm thinking to myself - 'I know you've got pocket AA'

But as I have the other A I just can't decide.

If I call, he puts me all-in on the river anyway, so I push........:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

He has trip A's and I go out in 9th, and four other straglers are still there who have been splitting pots with on 2 x BB for the past 30 minutes.

Absolutely gutted.

Shouldn't have pushed mate.

































:D

DANCOO
22-02-2007, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Shouldn't have pushed mate.

:D

If I wasn't holding the other A, I may well have folded.
Just one of those trapping flops which is hard to get away from.

Over four hours of play for $40! It cost me $31 in total including re-buys - So I earnt $2.25/hr.

I was already thinking about the $450+ I was going to pick up for winning it...that'll teach me.:grrr:

SamTheOldGoat
22-02-2007, 12:02 PM
Live and learn, it's sick when you KNOW they have the hand but still can't pass it. :@

Banging the roll up again playing 7-card stud 1/2 and 5 card draw, these games are so fun, does anyone else 'dabble' in them!

EAGLESRUS- Can you PM me your mob no mate, what are your plans for the weekend in Cardiff mate? I'm getting excited now!

SamTheOldGoat
22-02-2007, 12:39 PM
FFS, for some stupid reason I didn't sit down with full amount but I'm taking full stacks here if I do, not sure why I chose $14 to sit with, as this was my first hand, but it's the last time I do it I think, three times today if I had sat with full stack at all levels I would be up over $700 in about 2 hours...

http://www.pokerhand.org/?845455

SamTheOldGoat
22-02-2007, 02:58 PM
Another treat for you guys.........

High stakes poker, Series 3, episode 6 :)

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mook300

KevTheOptimist
22-02-2007, 05:00 PM
My most unlucky thing to do when gambling is to work out my winnings. Honestly I'll be sitting there with a footy acca and 3 results are in and I'll start working out my winnings to see what I could collecty and all 3 will suddenly go bad!

Similarly in poker, I'll be in a hand and will work out how much I can extract from my opponent when Bam River death.

DANCOO
22-02-2007, 05:17 PM
'You never count your money,
When you're sitting at the table,
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealing is done...'

:)

SamTheOldGoat
22-02-2007, 05:25 PM
:lol, I counted my money when I left the table!

Had some guy luckbox out on my at Omaha earlier with a TERRIBLE call so challenged him to HU, he killed me at $110 HU match, whoops.

Learning a lot of poker lesson today :D

Strathclyde Eagle
22-02-2007, 06:01 PM
I'm learning that AQ and KK are my two most losing hands.

How many instances of a hand do you use on Poker Office before considering something a trend? When I'm seeing a flop with KK I'm only winning 25% of the time (100% pre-flop raise), but then again it has only been four times I've been dealt it.

eaglesrus
22-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Live and learn, it's sick when you KNOW they have the hand but still can't pass it. :@

Banging the roll up again playing 7-card stud 1/2 and 5 card draw, these games are so fun, does anyone else 'dabble' in them!

EAGLESRUS- Can you PM me your mob no mate, what are your plans for the weekend in Cardiff mate? I'm getting excited now!

Will send a PM with my num in a couple of mins.

Cant wait as well!

Im going up early Friday evening. There is a house party up in Clapham that i am planning to go too which should be good fun. Not going to get too drunk as I need to keep in good condition!

Def keen to meet up sometime before in Cardiff though on the Saturday.

DANCOO
22-02-2007, 09:10 PM
I cannot believe how awful some cash players are in tournaments.

Last 3 cash player 1000 point freerolls I have entered, I have been severely muffed so many times.

Just went out of another where I flat call UTG+1 with AA, four more limpers, someones raises 2 x the pot, one caller, I re-raise all-in.
First bloke folds, second one calls with 44, and hits a 4 on the flop.

Some bloke earlier doubled up through me by muffing a flush on the river to beat my trip 8's, and yesterday bloke calls my all-in re-raise with 77 against my JJ and hits trips.

It's a good job my player points are paying for these as I would be really ••••ed off if it was costing me cash.

oz_da II
22-02-2007, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I'm learning that AQ and KK are my two most losing hands.

How many instances of a hand do you use on Poker Office before considering something a trend? When I'm seeing a flop with KK I'm only winning 25% of the time (100% pre-flop raise), but then again it has only been four times I've been dealt it.

I did a lengthy analysis after 6000 hands. I found ace-rag and ace-jack to be my most costly hands and have adjusted my play accordingly.

I too had a bad start with kings but it's now rising up the "leaderboard" to 4th in my most profitbale hands. Keep getting your chips in early.

1. AA
2. QQ
3. JJ
4. KK
5. TT

Passed 10,000 hands earlier this week.

4 hands (as you'll know) is no indication, just bad luck. ;)

Funk Butter
23-02-2007, 07:12 AM
Was looking over the WSOP Schedule. (http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=393478&itype=&iCategoryID=1514) And there's only 1 Pot Limit Omaha event that fits my prerequisites, Event #23 (Pot Limit Omaha (2 day event)) . Might have to make a run at it. Of course, I'd love to play the World Championship Pot-Limit Omaha even, but don't know that I'd want to drop $10k on that and get wasted by Phil Ivey 72 minutes in.

Funk Butter
23-02-2007, 07:36 AM
whoops

DANCOO
23-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Funk - any decent articles out there you've read on Omaha/Omaha hi/lo.
Anyone recommend a good book on it aswell?

SamTheOldGoat
23-02-2007, 11:01 AM
You read the sections in SuperSystem Dan?

DANCOO
23-02-2007, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
You read the sections in SuperSystem Dan?

I have yeah, but I've after something a bit more substantial.

SamTheOldGoat
23-02-2007, 11:18 AM
Do you read PocketFives at all?

DANCOO
23-02-2007, 11:46 AM
What's that?

SamTheOldGoat
23-02-2007, 12:37 PM
FFS! Why don't I learn, was sat with minimum again 6 tabling 1/2 and 50.1 and again , I would have had a HUGE stack, i.e. $1k profit in about 2 hours of play had I been sat with $200/$100....

Love this position with the board like this!

http://www.pokerhand.org/?848696

PS, Dan, POCKETFIVES.COM is a tournament mainly but also a bit of cash based website and plenty of strategy articles, on the main pace check for archive and strategy, there may well be some good articles ien there regarding omaha and other important aspects of the game. Do you use 2+2?

se1eagle
23-02-2007, 12:39 PM
I have a great set of Ebooks - if anyone wants 'em, PM me. I don't think there's much on Omaha but lots of top holdem books in PDF format.

eaglesrus
23-02-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I have a great set of Ebooks - if anyone wants 'em, PM me. I don't think there's much on Omaha but lots of top holdem books in PDF format.

Check PM's.

RichieG
23-02-2007, 12:52 PM
I've PM'd my e-mail se1, any e-books you can share would be much appreciated!

DANCOO
23-02-2007, 01:00 PM
STOG - Yeah, I've started using 2+2 over the last couple of weeks.

se1eagle - How's the s/w coming along?

se1eagle
23-02-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
se1eagle - How's the s/w coming along?

To be honest, I've not been able to spend much more time on it yet as we've been pulled onto another poker project! The company just won a deal to develop a searchable online poker hand database for an up and coming big poker TV series. However as soon as this is finished I'll be back on the case!

KevTheOptimist
23-02-2007, 04:25 PM
Well, end of week 1 on the small binds. BR up from $100 to $255 with a rate of just under 14BB/100.

Long may it continue!

SamTheOldGoat
23-02-2007, 05:59 PM
Have you stuck to Fox's system Kev?

Off to down to Cardiff for Welsh Amateur Poker Champs and to meet EAGLESRUS, hopefully good news on my return:)

Funk Butter
23-02-2007, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Funk - any decent articles out there you've read on Omaha/Omaha hi/lo.
Anyone recommend a good book on it aswell?
I read the section in Super System and also a section in Phil Hellmuth's book devoted to Omaha. But mostly I've just learned thru trial and error over time. I played in a $5 rebuy Omaha Hi/Lo limit tourney last night. Thought it was my regular $5 Rebuy Pot Limit Omaha, so was disappointed. But managed to finish 11th out of 171 runners. Had a short stack to my left that I could not get rid of. I kept putting him all in but he kept scooping the pot from me despite being routinely dominated.

SamTheOldGoat
24-02-2007, 11:01 AM
I'm off:D

eaglesrus
24-02-2007, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I'm off:D

Im up in Cardiff at a friends

give me a call in a bit and were meet up.

KevTheOptimist
24-02-2007, 01:00 PM
Good luck one and all!

DANCOO
24-02-2007, 01:29 PM
^^^Yeah, good luck STOG & eaglesrus. :p

eaglesrus
25-02-2007, 11:59 AM
Well I had an enjoyable day yesterday but I am a little bit gutted now.

For the first three hours I was dealt apsolutely nothing. Best hand was a 99 and when the flop came down AKJ my hand became excedingly poor. Played very tight and chip stack went down to about 6k.

I then did a couple of blind steals with nothing and got my stack back up to aroun
d the 11k mark at lunch. By this time there
had been 6 levels and 4 hours worth of play. I think about 100 people had dropped out.

After lunch i got dealt a few good hands. A couple of AK and Aq's. Got a few callers and won the show downs. Over these few levels I got my chip stack up to around 34k. I was going along quite nicely.

I then got dealt A9 suited. A guy in early position raised two times the blind. I flat called it. Flop came out AK6. He then moved in for about 5 times the blind. I made up in my own mind that he did not have the Ace due to the steepness of the raise and the small raise before the flope. I move him all in and he calls showing A10. The remaining cards are of no help.

Im now down to about 4k. OVer the next few hands I play quite aggressively due to the short stack. I get some lucky breaks and move up to about 22k at the next interval. The time is around 9.30 and there are about 80 people left.

After the break tables are closing left right and centre and I am being moved around all over the place. I keep doing a couple of blind steals to keep my stack in the same position. The blinds are however increasing and are up to 1 and 2k. I then finally get dealt my first AA. I was in under the gun and I wanted some action. I decided to limp in but I think people on the table smealt a rat. i got one caller as well as the big blind. Flop came out KQ9. Checked round, I again bet the blind and the other two folded. I didnt get good value from the hand and maybe should of played it a bit better.
I then get a coupe of AK's. However, I was very unlucky in the timing as I was either in very early position or in late position and there had been no early raisers. As such I again just took down the blinds and didnt get value from the hand.

Then at about 11.30 with two levels before the end of the day I got dealt AK. A guy under the gun raised to 11k. I had about 29k left and decided this was my time. I push it all in. It then gets folded around to another guy in late position. He thinks about it and then decides to call. The guy under the gun folds his hand. I flip over the AK and the other guy flips over the monster AA. The flop comes out with nothing, on the turn I hit a K and my hopes go up a little bit. The river is another picture card but it is the Q. Guy wins with the pocket AA's and I go out in 53rd place.

In summary I am not that upset with the performance. I played quite well and kept in the game when I was being dealt poor hands. The way I went out of the tourname was not poor play from me but just really unlucky timing in coming up against the top hand.

Just a little bit disapointed that I didnt reach the second day as that was my target at the start of the tournament. Also didnt end up meeting STOG so not to sure how he is getting on, but hope he is going to make the trip back to the casino today!

Lion
26-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Very funny game on Virgin poker today. Was playing at work (last few days there and I do working for a gaming company, so it's generally allowed!) and had just started a sit and go before realising I was 10 minutes late leaving and had to babysit the kids as my wife was going out.

2nd hand - went all in (just to finish), the other guy called. I had a pair of 8's he had a A Q suited. Another 8 game out on the flop (as did a queen) and I won the game.

:)

Lion
26-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Just won a $50 heads up sit in in 5 hands. Was dealt an AA to start with - in the end went all in on a QQ and was matched with a 55 to get most of his chips and finished him off when he had 30 left on the next hand (which was the min blind).

Having a good day I think.

SamTheOldGoat
26-02-2007, 11:54 PM
Just won a HU SNG like you Lion in 1 hand with AA v K7 :D

Will do a report on the weekend at Cardiff tomorrow. Closed my account with pokerstars with immediate effect, as it's my final year at Uni, I have no motivation to work anyway, and with a dissertation looming, poker should be the last thing on my mind during the day, so will only be playing live for a few months.

GG 10 hour stints in front of the screens :(

KevTheOptimist
27-02-2007, 12:39 PM
Well I decided to bank out $200 to clear my overdraft and to make the money in my poker account pure profit. I was up to $340 ish so am now sort of starting again on $140.

Figures that now I can play with it is pure profit and build a true disposable bankroll. Also, I love playing the .10/.20 stakes, thought I'd get bored initially but not at all. Strangely i see a win of $20 or $30 dollars as a nice win these days where before I'd prob be not that fussed by a win of that size. Anyway, cruising along now at over 25BB/100 hands according to poker office so shouldn't be long before I'm back where I was and can start climbing through the blinds.

p.s. I did move up to .15/.30 when I got to $350 and lost my fist buyin in my first hand when nut flushed got riverd by a FH. That put me below min buy in requirements so stepped down to .10/.20 again - dicipline!

I feel a bit silly playing at these levels, but hey, they are profitable and my poker expenditure this month is I think the lowest on record.

Long may it continue!

SamTheOldGoat
27-02-2007, 02:07 PM
^^^^ TOP TOP TOP man :)

Funk Butter
27-02-2007, 02:32 PM
Did my $5 Omaha Rebuy tourney last night. Was fighting it the whole time till we got towards the money. Put a nice run together that took me to the final table. It started with 3 of us with between 200k and 300k and the other 3 with around $50k. The it all went south. Managed to lose the minimum amount possible with the nut flush to a made full house on the river. Then pushed with KK86 double suited in the big blind to an UTG raise. Guy turns over A973 rainbow. Of course hits trip 9s on the flop. Idiot. All that for $90. Oh well.

Found another interesting stat tracker site, here are my stats. (http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/FunkButter/playerresults/2/2A9E6666190547F29090B22417656B35.html) Just don't look at the NLHE stats. No idea what has happened to my game there but I definitely need to get it together. Finishing with $90 in last night's tourney actually brought my Omaha ROI down to 1090%.

AddiscombeEagle
27-02-2007, 09:10 PM
They have destroyed VC Poker with the new style, horiffic

KevTheOptimist
28-02-2007, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
^^^^ TOP TOP TOP man :)

lol

Well I guess there is a different mentality when playing with profit! Relapsed last night cos I had a few beers and fancied taking a chance!

Got VERY harshly dealt with by laddies (straight after a bank out SOS;) ) and lost my whole account lol.

I was rivered in two massive pots by toilet hands which cost me $80 and $50 respectively.

Humpf. Lesson learnt. If I had a huge bankroll I could bounce back from these beats and win it back but alas, I don't so it's rubbish !

RichieG
28-02-2007, 02:06 PM
Kev, you really should try and digest the quote below my post from "ajmargarine" on 2+2;

My roll is currently just over $250, and I'm well aware that that is not really enough to play .10/.20 (NL20) cash. I generally play $5.50 SnG's (I want $440 before I move up to $11) but recently had to play some cash to unlock a bonus - thankfully I emerged unscathed, but I knew I could easily have dropped a few buy-ins if things had gone wrong.

I guess it all depends on whether you're prepared to deposit more cash. I'm challenging myself never to deposit again......

Some general thoughts on moving up for a winning SSNL player:

--The accepted wisdom is that you should have 20-40 full buy-ins for the level that you are playing at. I believe this is sound advice. This guideline should keep you from ever going broke. The higher the level, the higher the variance, the more buy-ins you need. You want to play optimally at all times, with bankroll NEVER being a consideration for an in-game decision.

--Determine your base comfort level (bankroll and limit). Say you've been a NL50 player all year. You've been winning at an OK rate. You feel real comfortable, by personal experience, with a 22 buy-in bankroll, $1100. This is your base comfort level. It'll be different for everyone.

--But, you want to move up. Do you wait til you have $2000-$2500 in the bankroll to make the move to NL100? NO. Start taking shots sooner. Say, when the bankroll hits $1500, move up and take a shot. If you lose, and find yourself back at $1100, go back to NL50, and grind away til $1500 again. Rinse, repeat.

--Know that when you hit your base comfort level, you'll go back down to the level you are comfortable with. But, you don't need a full bankroll to take shots at moving up.

--Make the move permanent when you are fully rolled for the next level. But, you would be wise to think of yourself as being in a range when it comes to limits. Don't think of yourself as a NL100 player. Feel comfortable in a range NL50-NL200. Play where your instincts tell you to play. Playing real well. Play at the high end. Playing crappy at a bad time of the day, play on the low end. Etc. (TWP)

--The mid and high guys will tell you that all SSNL is full of donks and fish and all levels are basically the same. Pffft. Don't kid yourself. Each level is more difficult than the one below. If you are beating NL50, NL100 will be more difficult. There's less fish and more skilled players as you move up. HOWEVER, the difference in play is not that great. If you are beating one level, you should be able to be a winning player at the next level. It just takes time to get acclimatized.

DANCOO
28-02-2007, 02:56 PM
Funk - do you look on 2+2 much?

Player called davebreal - you seen him on PS?

Funk Butter
28-02-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Funk - do you look on 2+2 much?

Player called davebreal - you seen him on PS?
Not really, there's just to much BS to wade thru on that site usually. I have been using it to follow the Neteller debacle, but for the most part, I avoid it.

Don't recall ever seeing that name, but not many are gonna stick in my head. Have to check my stats.

oz_da II
28-02-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
lol

Well I guess there is a different mentality when playing with profit! Relapsed last night cos I had a few beers and fancied taking a chance!

Got VERY harshly dealt with by laddies (straight after a bank out SOS;) ) and lost my whole account lol.

I was rivered in two massive pots by toilet hands which cost me $80 and $50 respectively.

Humpf. Lesson learnt. If I had a huge bankroll I could bounce back from these beats and win it back but alas, I don't so it's rubbish !

It's called variance.

Micky Droy
01-03-2007, 10:21 PM
I've been doing ok after a longish break, the last three days, on partypoker.

Does anyone here play on ultimate bet? I have 682 dollars stuck in firepay that I can't get out. I am in a loop of firepay account verification and it is a nightmare. NOT easy to cash out on that site.

Zola's Chin
02-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Wont hear me bitching about bad beats for a while...

6 handed $0.10/$0.20 no limit cash table.

UTG raises to $1.20, I decide to call with KK, small blind also calls. Pot is $3.80.

Flop comes Jd Td 2c.

Small blind checks, initial raiser bets $3, I raise to $8, small blind moves all-in for about $11.50 & the initial raiser calls. At this point I suspect I'm probably behind with very little chance of improving, but there is still a chance I'm in front & it only costs me another $3.50 to contest a $38 pot. I call hoping the 2 of us with chips left will go to a showdown with no further betting.

Turn card 7c.

AN Other moves all-in for another $9. I've got marginally more chips than him. With hindsight, I should've folded here. Pretty obvious 1 of the other 2 has TT, JJ or AA. But I called.

River card is a K!!

The big pot comes my way & I open up the hand history to see what I was up against. Initial raiser had AA. Small blind had JK!! So I was behind through the entire hand & only had 1 out on the river. And I hit! Very, very lucky! Obviously I was quick to type an apology into the chat box... :D :lux: :p

SamTheOldGoat
02-03-2007, 01:14 PM
I hope not! :D Nice 3% or something!

DANCOO
03-03-2007, 10:20 AM
Found where my main tournament weakness lies.

Finished 5th in the Hi/Lo rebuy last night, and it's when it gets down to about five or six players that I struggle.

I'm usually ok getting to the FT, and playing when it is full, I also rate my play at heads up and when there are three of us left in total, but I struggle when it gets down to the last five or six.
I get stuck in two minds - trying to survive while another couple of players get knocked out, but also needing to stay on top of things as the blinds increase.
Inevitably, I play a bit too tight and get whittled down to playing all-in re-raise moves with marginal hands.

DANCOO
03-03-2007, 10:21 AM
STOG - what happened in Cardiff then?

se1eagle
03-03-2007, 05:16 PM
Now this is a bad beat! Think if I'd been the person losing $70K with this I might just go completely insane.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic37164-16-1.aspx

SamTheOldGoat
03-03-2007, 08:18 PM
Yup, that's SICK! Durrrrr is savage though, always at the highest stakes on FTP with Antonius, Ivey, Benyamine adn Brian Townsend.

I forgot about my Cardiff post! Firstly apologies EAGLESRUS, I forgot to copy down your tel no as I left to Cardiff and didn't know your surname so couldn't track you down either! Real shame but hopefully we can hook up in the next few months and play Big Slick/Gutshot or somewhere.

Had a heavy night on Friday night in Cheltenham before heading downt o Cardiff on Saturday morning and found myself on a 'self dealt' table much to my annoyance! Apparently the dealers down from Gros Walsall had car troubles so the tables on the raised area dealt instead. Everyone said they would have a go but most on my table couldn't do it so I volunteed and dealt for everyone to ensure we got in more than 3 hands per hour.

The first person dropped out after literally 15 mins, maybe even less when a guys top 2 pair was called all in by someone on a gutshot who hit! SICKO! Some of the play was REALLY amateurish, re-reraising with A4 and other marginal hands and there was some horrific horrific play, but in the long run, that works out good for the rest of us hey?!

I was pretty card dead, and hovered around the 10k starting stack for the first 2 hours. I then raised on the button after it passed round to me with 89hh, a pretty standard play however I got called by the BB. The flop came 7 10 Q with 2 hearts. With such a big draw and being on the button I smoth called his bet on the flop, completely missed the turn which came a 2d, raises his bet and on the river which came 10spades reraised his 500, bet the pot which was another 2500 for him. He called with Q8o/s. Oh dear. He's beating nearly nothing and I was a little peeved with how the hand turned out.

I didn't get paid by my big hands, well AA ONCE, AK once (not that I'm a fan even of this hand), and JJ (again pretty marginal when your 5xbb raise in mid position gets about 3/4 callers!)

I busted out at about 9pm, in 130 position or thereabouts. It was an enjoyable event and the side games of 1/2. 1/1 and 2/4 with £20/£25 sng's were fun. Lost a pretty big pot £700+ three way when I flopped a straight and the guy flopped the higher straight, but some guy did his stack (£200) with the nut flush DRAW! NOTHING ELSE!

I highly recommend the event to those that haven't played it or are thinking about it. TO sell out 220 seats in 6 mins shows that it's in demand and the atmosphere was great at all times and event well run. I would have preferred longer blind levels and lower blinds as the ESCALATED quickly but altogether a great event, and because I paid the entrance £75 a long time ago, felt like I was freerolling :D

Hope everyone is enjoying success at the tables. As I said earlier I have closed my account down until mid June to continue with my studies and hopefully produce a good dissertation but I will keep up to date regularly on here and want to hear about your wins/beats/accomplishments. I aim to re-read Doyles SS books on Omaha and NL holdem and also Harringtons 'Harrington on Hold'em' so I can come back fresh in a few months time!

All the best guys :)

SamTheOldGoat
04-03-2007, 03:56 PM
A few photos from on APAT website of me 'in action'. I look either bored or in the zone!

Would like to see any pics of you EAGLESRUS, we may have played cash together or SNG'S.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/IMG_1706.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/n509241602_28409_6816.jpg

saul1664
04-03-2007, 07:00 PM
••••••• arse. Betfair 2 hours 45 mins into tourney, deep stack have 11K

AA mid pos all folds around me, raise to 3xBB which is 600 one caller, flop two hearts with K, he calls 1600, I call 4900, he reraises, I have 4K left, so put him all in.

He turns over 55

5 on turn

Reminded why I don't play at betfair anymore

KevTheOptimist
04-03-2007, 07:35 PM
I hate AA.

I've lost each of the 4 times I hold it and the problem with it is for me that when I win with AA I don't win that much because I play it strongly, but when I lose with it inevitably I will lose a lot.

So yesterday I pick it up on the button. Raised before me quite strongly so I call. SB re-raises and BB calls with original raiser - PERFECT. I thought about the re raise all in but went for a $42 raise. one caller who then goes all in for 55 after a raggy flop. I call and he turns A 10 suited. Turn and river completes his flush (no pair).

Fair play he missed the flop and bluffed and got lucky but still - very annoying

Reps AJ
04-03-2007, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
••••••• arse. Betfair 2 hours 45 mins into tourney, deep stack have 11K

AA mid pos all folds around me, raise to 3xBB which is 600 one caller, flop two hearts with K, he calls 1600, I call 4900, he reraises, I have 4K left, so put him all in.

He turns over 55

5 on turn

Reminded why I don't play at betfair anymore

How could he think 55 was any good? :eek:

saul1664
04-03-2007, 08:01 PM
I know. I had played tight so he has to put me on at least a decent pair or AK. I had 11K, he had 14K, that's whats so annoying about it. AA has been killing me recently.

budgie
04-03-2007, 08:09 PM
I think there must be a conspiracy, in the last two days, I have had my pocket aces busted twice by a pair of fives. To be fair though, they have also been good to me several times recently, so I'm not complaining, however yesterday when I was broken by the five's the guy said sorry and he only did it because he was on tilt, following two bad beats. Boy did that make me feel better after going from top five in tournament, back to the also rans.

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 01:15 AM
My brothers 3rd of $215 Sunday Warm up, guaranteed $14k with $80k to winner, 6 left! ARGH

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 02:11 AM
Flat out sicko, just chopped 3 handed as a short stack for $35k....

GG bro!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/untitled.jpg

KevTheOptimist
05-03-2007, 08:49 AM
Would love a victory like that!

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Flat out sicko, just chopped 3 handed as a short stack for $35k....

GG bro!


Very nice.

Does he buy-in to those sorts of tournies or try and win entry?

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 09:01 AM
He normally tried to satellite in during the day before, so early Sunday afternoon but if not he will buy in. The one last night he satellited in by winning a $22 SNG but will play rebuys etc as well. He doesn't play much at all, no cash, only MTT's adn SNG's and is up a fair bit in SNGG's and $40k in MTT's in last few weeks.

$40k++ in 3 weeks-Bleugh!

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 10:08 AM
What a muppet.

Just signed up with PS.

Not familiar with the layout, difficult to find things at the moment, but just thought sod it, sit down at a Hi/Lo table see how I get on.

Turn gives me nut lo, and I call all the way to the river...only to lose?!?

I'm playing ••••••• Omaha, not Omaha Hi/Lo - just did my whole starting stack on my very first hand on PS. :D

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
What a muppet.

Just signed up with PS.

Not familiar with the layout, difficult to find things at the moment, but just thought sod it, sit down at a Hi/Lo table see how I get on.

Turn gives me nut lo, and I call all the way to the river...only to lose?!?

I'm playing ••••••• Omaha, not Omaha Hi/Lo - just did my whole starting stack on my very first hand on PS. :D

Oops!

OK, I have some advice to ask of the BBS pokeroos.

It's about game management really, a great weakness of mine.

I've made qabout £1000 on Party Poker in the last week since dipping my toe back in to online poker.

I want to build it, not chuck it away.

I am thinking that maybe the best way to go is a mixture of $1/2 cash games and low cost satellites.

how would others go about conserving a roll and building it up (apart from winning!). What games would you recommend (am happiest with Hold'Em).

se1eagle
05-03-2007, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
He normally tried to satellite in during the day before, so early Sunday afternoon but if not he will buy in. The one last night he satellited in by winning a $22 SNG but will play rebuys etc as well. He doesn't play much at all, no cash, only MTT's adn SNG's and is up a fair bit in SNGG's and $40k in MTT's in last few weeks.

$40k++ in 3 weeks-Bleugh!

That's the sort of result that makes believers of us all! Congrats to your bro!

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
What a muppet.

Just signed up with PS.

Not familiar with the layout, difficult to find things at the moment, but just thought sod it, sit down at a Hi/Lo table see how I get on.

Turn gives me nut lo, and I call all the way to the river...only to lose?!?

I'm playing ••••••• Omaha, not Omaha Hi/Lo - just did my whole starting stack on my very first hand on PS. :D

GOLD=:D

Just looked at Hi LO tables, assume you don't want to give our your username but no Carlito playing ;) The tables WILL get busier Dan! GL on PS!

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
That's the sort of result that makes believers of us all! Congrats to your bro!

Will pass them on mate :)

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
GOLD=:D

Just looked at Hi LO tables, assume you don't want to give our your username but no Carlito playing ;) The tables WILL get busier Dan! GL on PS!

Different username this time.

It was only $15, but quite funny - I'm thinking 'Result! First hand and I get a wheel on the turn.' :D

Just won it back, and a little more, within five minutes of playing Hi/Lo - I hope the standard of play continues at this level.

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Different username this time.

It was only $15, but quite funny - I'm thinking 'Result! First hand and I get a wheel on the turn.' :D

Just won it back, and a little more, within five minutes of playing Hi/Lo - I hope the standard of play continues at this level.


...then lost it all to some donk - christ these players are awful.

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Yes, the play is BAD!

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yes, the play is BAD!

Probably because of the limits I'm playing at, I'm sure they improve $2/$4+

se1eagle
05-03-2007, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Oops!

OK, I have some advice to ask of the BBS pokeroos.

It's about game management really, a great weakness of mine.

I've made qabout £1000 on Party Poker in the last week since dipping my toe back in to online poker.

I want to build it, not chuck it away.

I am thinking that maybe the best way to go is a mixture of $1/2 cash games and low cost satellites.

how would others go about conserving a roll and building it up (apart from winning!). What games would you recommend (am happiest with Hold'Em).

I have recently learned and benefitted from the Fox article on bankroll management kindly pointed out a couple of pages back in the thread by STOG - there's a sliding scale of required bankroll between 15 and 45 times the max buyin depending on how willing you are to lose your bankroll. For me, I decided to go with 20*max buyin for my bankroll as I can replenish it if I really have to.

Did you make £1000 or $1000? At 20*max buyin, if you have $1000 then you should prob be playing no higher than $0.25/$0.50 (20*$50=$1000) - if you have $2000 then $0.50/$1

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 12:49 PM
Agreed with above, check a few pages back for the relevant link. Kev used this method to success before getting pissed one night and blowing any profit :D

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Agreed with above, check a few pages back for the relevant link. Kev used this method to success before getting pissed one night and blowing any profit :D

I gave up for a few months after going up $5000 over a few weeks of well judged play, and then blowing it blind drunk of two hands :D

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 01:07 PM
PMSL! I have done it before as well, playing 1/2 PLO off my face. Apparently I amused my housemates. Lucky I didnt have too much in there! ARGH!

How did you lose it in 2 hands? 25/50?! LOL

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
25/50?! LOL

:p

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 05:05 PM
Poker Stars = what a load of ••••••• shit.

Forget the layout, which I hate...played around 700 hands today multi-tabling hi/lo.

Terrible, terrible hands dealt for the most part.

When I eventually did get decent starting cards I missed nearly every single time.

This went on for hours.

Eventually on two seperate tables I get suited A2Lx ss and on the other tables I get AA.....

...I LOST EVERY SINGLE ••••••• HAND.

I'm not fuming about the money, just ••••ed off how I can spend ••••••• hours on three tables and not get/hit ANYTHING.

Total watse of my ••••••• day!!!

Also, in 700 hands, I got a F/H maybe three times!!! Go figure that one out.

Strathclyde Eagle
05-03-2007, 05:17 PM
:(

How much are you down Dan?