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DANCOO
05-03-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
:(

How much are you down Dan?

Multi-tabling 1 x $0.25/$0.50 and 2 x $0.50/$1.00 for around 5 hours, down about $75 - hardly anything, especially when you consider the amount of time I was playing.
But that entire $75 was on those last three hands - I had been breaking even for hours which was the really frustrating part - not getting anything for such a long period of time was driving me insane.

Will be playing a few tournies later, see if I fare in better in those.

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 05:48 PM
Dan, in 42 mins is a 5.50 O H/L rebuy comp :)

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
:p

PMSL! Hero!

palace & proud
05-03-2007, 05:55 PM
SamTheOldGoat - Can you Empty your Mailbox please

Ta Deano :p

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Dan, in 42 mins is a 5.50 O H/L rebuy comp :)

I'll be there. :)

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 06:08 PM
PALACE AND PROUD. Deleting now :)

palace & proud
05-03-2007, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PALACE AND PROUD. Deleting now :)


Cool,Check PM :p

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I'll be there. :)

GL Dan, let me know how you get on, a $20 FL H/L at the same time too :)

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 06:15 PM
TY Palace and Proud, will do after tea mate :)

KevTheOptimist
05-03-2007, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
I gave up for a few months after going up $5000 over a few weeks of well judged play, and then blowing it blind drunk of two hands :D

Only a true gambler could lose $5k in two hands and smile!!:D

My run of luck continues. Lady luck is a whore.

Pick the bones out of this hand, but seriously a raise and re raise for all your chips with AJ off?

** Game ID 701943388 starting - 2007-03-05 19:24:20
** 30 Seat Sit and Go[1222156]:Table 2 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (300.00|600.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- PokeEmHigh sitting in seat 1 with $6302.50
- hollykaren sitting in seat 2 with $2048.33
- stupot125 sitting in seat 3 with $425.00
- daddymac sitting in seat 4 with $3213.34
- AB18 sitting in seat 5 with $5515.00
- lupo2233 sitting in seat 6 with $7789.38
- KanAbyss sitting in seat 7 with $7405.00 [Dealer]
- bcfmick1 sitting in seat 8 with $8015.20
- blacktumshie sitting in seat 9 with $2580.00
- Tepex sitting in seat 10 with $1256.25

bcfmick1 posted the small blind - $150.00
blacktumshie posted the big blind - $300.00

** Dealing card to KanAbyss: 8 of Spades, 8 of Diamonds
Tepex went all-in - $1256.25
PokeEmHigh folded
hollykaren folded
stupot125 folded
daddymac folded
AB18 folded
lupo2233 folded
KanAbyss went all-in - $7405.00
bcfmick1 called - $7405.00
blacktumshie folded
bcfmick1 shows: Jack of Spades, Ace of Hearts
Tepex shows: 6 of Clubs, 6 of Diamonds

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Clubs, 5 of Spades, Jack of Diamonds

** Dealing the turn: 2 of Clubs

** Dealing the river: 5 of Diamonds
bcfmick1 wins $4068.75 from the main pot
bcfmick1 wins $16366.25 from side pot 1

End of game 701943388

KevTheOptimist
05-03-2007, 07:36 PM
P.s. I played that hand far from well, was going out in 5 mins so had to hurry things along but still................

KevTheOptimist
05-03-2007, 07:37 PM
ANd the only bloody cash game i can win on at the moment is .10/.20 - I consistantly win. But it's boring the shit ou of me so i step up and get arse raped consistantly lol

Strathclyde Eagle
05-03-2007, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Will be playing a few tournies later, see if I fare in better in those.
Have only really played the Hold 'Em tourneys on PS, but I think the standard is a lot higher there than on any other site I've played on. Just a (hopefully helpful) heads-up.

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 09:56 PM
I love it when it works...

4 left in a 10 seater sit'n'go $50 buy in, top 3 get paid. I am at 250 chips from a starting 2000, don;t even have the big blind, 1 guy with over 10000. Double up, double up, find some cards at last, win it. Oo Tasty.

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
I love it when it works...

4 left in a 10 seater sit'n'go $50 buy in, top 3 get paid. I am at 250 chips from a starting 2000, don;t even have the big blind, 1 guy with over 10000. Double up, double up, find some cards at last, win it. Oo Tasty.

I'm about to jinx myself by saying this, but I don't care.

In a Hi/Lo mtt - blinds are 150/300, I had 158 chips.

I've gone from 38/38 to 20/31 with 7000.

Top muffing. :D

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I'm about to jinx myself by saying this, but I don't care.

In a Hi/Lo mtt - blinds are 150/300, I had 158 chips.

I've gone from 38/38 to 20/31 with 7000.

Top muffing. :D

Mash them up Dancoo!

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Mash them up Dancoo!
Too late - I got out-muffed. :D

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Too late - I got out-muffed. :D

Muffing MufferMuffers!

SamTheOldGoat
05-03-2007, 10:39 PM
:D, was that the $5 rebuy Dan? How did you find it!

Top stuff Micky, it's a good feeling! :D

Playing 2/4, 3/6 and big SNGs on bros account! LOVE IT

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 10:41 PM
Party Poker multi buy-in tourneys are crazy!

The play is so fast and loose it;s hard to know when to shove em in. I have tripled my stack in the first 30 minutes and stiill there's someone on my table with three times more than me.

191 entrants and 230 rebuys already.

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 10:44 PM
oh I got arseholed by a river flush all-inner when I had trips.

least I didn;t rebuy )

Micky Droy
05-03-2007, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
:D, was that the $5 rebuy Dan? How did you find it!

Top stuff Micky, it's a good feeling! :D

Playing 2/4, 3/6 and big SNGs on bros account! LOVE IT

I think I have seen you on TV )

DANCOO
05-03-2007, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
:D, was that the $5 rebuy Dan? How did you find it!


No, it was a Laddies one.

I played the PS one aswell - found it difficult, although I think it was mainly down to not being familiar with peoples play - a real mixed bag of shit players, and very good players - don't know who's who yet though.

They also tend to play a lot faster. I just need to get used to it I think.

saul1664
05-03-2007, 11:56 PM
5 player cash game,

limp in with 33, make trips on flop, get reraised, haven't come to the table with much so reraise all in,

he turns over KA

3rd card on flop was K
turn K
river A

you can't make it up

SamTheOldGoat
06-03-2007, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
I think I have seen you on TV )

Quite possibly ;)

Gav The Hamster
06-03-2007, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
5 player cash game,

limp in with 33, make trips on flop, get reraised, haven't come to the table with much so reraise all in,

he turns over KA

3rd card on flop was K
turn K
river A

you can't make it up

so he actually has top pair top kicker on flop. i think he is somewhat justified to move all in dont you ?

saul1664
06-03-2007, 03:28 PM
Not moaning at the play, I probably would have done the same. Just annoyed being ahead flop turn and beaten on the river, by 3 consecutive cards. Don't seem to be doing much with my cash game recently, have dropped down a couple of levels.

Reps AJ
06-03-2007, 08:09 PM
Tomorrow, 9pm Film 4 for those of you like me who've never seen it... Rounders!

KevTheOptimist
06-03-2007, 08:20 PM
Good shout Reps

saul1664
06-03-2007, 11:27 PM
Last time in a rebuy. Why enter a rebuy, keep calling all in with 47 and reload 6 times before the first hour, why not play a $50 buy in. Decided to play when I had KK and pushed all in for 1150, get called all in FIVE times, one with 9J, beat four of them, unlucky to find someone with AA and out, didn't bother rebuying.

saul1664
07-03-2007, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Last time in a rebuy. Why enter a rebuy, keep calling all in with 47 and reload 6 times before the first hour, why not play a $50 buy in. Decided to play when I had KK and pushed all in for 1150, get called all in FIVE times, one with 9J, beat four of them, unlucky to find someone with AA and out, didn't bother rebuying.

Now it is time for bed. Pot limit heads up. Make top straight on flop 1st hand, reraise as much as I can, he calls all the way to the river and makes flush holding 4 9 diamonds.

se1eagle
07-03-2007, 02:15 AM
Well after being tempted by STOG's brother's win, I signed up for an account on PokerStars and decided to try and satellite my way into the Sunday Million tourney. I finished 4th - 3rd got entry, 4th got $35 and I'm feeling a bit raw about it.

My KK was cracked by 66 twice and I went out of the tourney in 4th place with AA all-in preflop against KK and 99. If I had lost to KK then I would still have been in the money, but of course the big stack managed to river a straight with his nines. I was thinking I shouldn't go all-in so close to the money but stupidity got the better of me.

I've been playing for a while on Ladbrokes and Full Tilt and after a few PS tourneys I am GOBSMACKED at how often massive premium hands lose, particularly to underpairs - it's been absolutely unreal. I can only assume I must be being very unlucky - I don't know how I managed to come 4th!

Transcript for your last 1 games requested by Karundal
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #8774989594: Tournament #44285245, $10.70+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level III (25/50) - 2007/03/06 - 21:03:16 (ET) Table '44285245 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button Seat 3: GRAVELGUTT (2385 in chips) Seat 4: Karundal (1340 in chips) Seat 5: dreamdance06 (9150 in chips) Seat 8: nabusito (1165 in chips) Seat 10: bartje1985 (960 in chips)
GRAVELGUTT: posts small blind 25
Karundal: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Karundal [As Ac]
dreamdance06: raises 950 to 1000
nabusito: folds
bartje1985: calls 960 and is all-in
GRAVELGUTT: folds
Karundal: raises 340 to 1340 and is all-in
dreamdance06: calls 340
*** FLOP *** [Td Jh 5h]
*** TURN *** [Td Jh 5h] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Td Jh 5h 7d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Karundal: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
dreamdance06: shows [9s 9d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
dreamdance06 collected 760 from side pot
bartje1985: shows [Kd Ks] (a pair of Kings)
dreamdance06 collected 2905 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3665 Main pot 2905. Side pot 760. | Rake 0 Board [Td Jh 5h 7d 8c]

Seat 3: GRAVELGUTT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Karundal (big blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 5: dreamdance06 showed [9s 9d] and won (3665) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 8: nabusito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: bartje1985 (button) showed [Kd Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings

saul1664
07-03-2007, 10:25 AM
Problem is that you want to isolate to one caller with AA unless you connect with flop, if you don't and get 3 or 4 callers you are then down to 40% favourite from 80% to win the hand, so you want to be calling all-in with no other significant raises from the board, or thinking about folding even with AA.

saul1664
07-03-2007, 08:39 PM
Doh. Tournament hell. Card dead for half an hour, go for a piss only to find AA staring up at me, go to play it, it folds the hand. No problem as AA about 10 mins later, re-raise, called all in by smallish stack, call, he has KK, K on flop. Push all in on QQ as short stacked a few hands later, run into 88 and KA in three way A on river seals fate, and four spades make him the flush to rub it in.

DANCOO
07-03-2007, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Tomorrow, 9pm Film 4 for those of you like me who've never seen it... Rounders!

(Now today)

Also at 10pm on Film4 +1.

Not seen it before, will be tuning in.

Nice one Reps. :p

StuNick
07-03-2007, 08:58 PM
All,

I play on Bluesq poker and they have just upgraded their software, I really don't like it. Who do you all play with and which is the best?

thanks

SamTheOldGoat
07-03-2007, 10:22 PM
Came 4th last night in 50with 1 rebuy or add on in Coventrys Mint casino yesterday. Was good for 320 and was only in for 50 so 270 profit. Played well and CL the WHOLE tournament, i.e. 6 hours but lost 3 races at the final table :(

Stu-I recomment Pokerstars for variety of games, however FULL TILT offer a good rake back and bonus programme and apparently 'easier' games....

StuNick
07-03-2007, 10:23 PM
thanks Sam

Micky Droy
07-03-2007, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
(Now today)

Also at 10pm on Film4 +1.

Not seen it before, will be tuning in.

Nice one Reps. :p

GREAT poker film - will tune in, while playing - thanks BBS!

SamTheOldGoat
07-03-2007, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Well after being tempted by STOG's brother's win, I signed up for an account on PokerStars and decided to try and satellite my way into the Sunday Million tourney. I finished 4th - 3rd got entry, 4th got $35 and I'm feeling a bit raw about it.


At least you got SOME money back so you can have another shot at winning it dude! GL

Strathclyde Eagle
07-03-2007, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
GREAT poker film - will tune in, while playing - thanks BBS!
"You're right, I don't have... the schpades."

Strathclyde Eagle
08-03-2007, 12:38 PM
Just had a thought Sam - given the limits/tourneys you were playing how many FPPs did you have when you were last on PS?

SamTheOldGoat
08-03-2007, 02:18 PM
Err.... not sure mate, but I used them to buy all sorts of stuff, I think I could deck myself out in PS's stuff for the next 2 weeks :D

What's your idea mate? My brother multis $100 full ring SNG's and gets 45 for each SNG and racks them up like they are going out of fashion. A good freind from home is on about 800,000, and got those in literally 5 months not playing that mch. He's saving for the Porsche at 3m

Strathclyde Eagle
08-03-2007, 03:10 PM
No idea, just quietly picking them up. Just a few hundred.

I was looking through the FPP store and suddenly realised, "You get 75 points for playing in the Sunday Million. Sam must have tens of thousands of these." :D

Would quite fancy the Amazon vouchers, but I think you need to have to be a gold star to be eligible to get those.

SamTheOldGoat
08-03-2007, 04:15 PM
Nope, just silver star mate and if you play regularly, not even a lot this is easy to achieve. Have you checked your status and how many you are on for this month and how many you need to achieve. Go into cashier then bottom right, VIP status :)

I used them to qualify for comps as well as cards, clothing, bags etc! I'd prefer rakeback but as the biggest site on the net, I don't think this will ever happen!

DANCOO
08-03-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Nope, just silver star mate and if you play regularly, not even a lot this is easy to achieve. Have you checked your status and how many you are on for this month and how many you need to achieve. Go into cashier then bottom right, VIP status :)

I used them to qualify for comps as well as cards, clothing, bags etc! I'd prefer rakeback but as the biggest site on the net, I don't think this will ever happen!

Where does it show which tounries you can buy in to using FPP's?

SamTheOldGoat
08-03-2007, 04:26 PM
Off the top of my head as Stars isn't open, Tournyys/ALL and there will be FPP comps there, otherwise TOURNYS/SATELLITE/FPPS and also SNG/SATELLITES/FPPS. HTH

Strathclyde Eagle
08-03-2007, 05:11 PM
I've seen lots of FPP satellites. Tourney > Satellite > FPP.

Sam, I've checked my status. I'm nowhere near Silver, not even if you took all my FPPs from the three and a bit months I've been there. Just at 503 points at the moment, none at all yet this month (been too busy).

SamTheOldGoat
08-03-2007, 05:20 PM
Ahhh, the shorter handed games and higher stakes you play the more FPPs you get obviously, and as you move up levels, to silver, gold etc, you get 2 for every FPP up to Supernova Elite which is 5 for every FPP!

Strathclyde Eagle
08-03-2007, 08:37 PM
Through the 1000 hand mark on Poker Office. Some weird findings:

You're meant to get AA once every 220 hands. I've had it once (and everyone else folded pre-flop). :(
I've had six open-ended straight draws. I've hit none of them.
I've not had a single full-house. :eek:
(One set of quads though, which was very nice.)
Worst hand - AQ suited.
Best hand - 99 (helps when you get a 9 on the flop and another 9 on the turn though).

I think I'm due some positive variance. :p

Being fair though, I need to improve as well. I've not played well lately.

SamTheOldGoat
09-03-2007, 03:27 PM
What games do you play etc Srath? Only 1 table, short sessions? How does it go, do you move up and down, sng's, cash, MTT's?

Playing a few tables I can do 1000 in a few hours, how long has the 1k hand mark taken you?

Strathclyde Eagle
09-03-2007, 07:25 PM
I'm generally just the one table at a time, sessions of about 30-40 minutes. Low level limit, a few MTTs. I'm avoiding the SNGs at Poker Stars because I don't do well at them.

According to Poker Office that's about a month's worth of hands for me. I dug some old hands out of logs when I first installed Poker Office as well.

Strathclyde Eagle
09-03-2007, 11:11 PM
Glad I folded pre-flop (didn't have a thing), but just saw a hand where a guy UTG with 6-4 suited won with a full house. :bash:

SamTheOldGoat
10-03-2007, 06:57 AM
what did he do UTG? raise or fold?

Just got back adn been awake all night playing 2/4 PLH at Broadway in Birmingham. Pretty much held my own with others with over a k at the table but still left down over a tonne. Still highest limits I've played live and will be comfy with them in the future. I suppose it's nearly $5/$10 online but much slower!

Strathclyde Eagle
10-03-2007, 09:41 AM
He called UTG with 6-4 suited. The next time round the table he called UTG with 5-3 suited and again made a full house. :eek:

Variance swinging back the other way. Had 8-6 suited in a big blind and got a free flop. Flop was 888!

SamTheOldGoat
10-03-2007, 01:04 PM
:lol, do you never call UTG with those sorts of hands then raise and reraise adn bet out the flop and double barrel?

Strathclyde Eagle
10-03-2007, 07:40 PM
Nope, far too many calling stations who hit at my level Sam.

SamTheOldGoat
11-03-2007, 04:50 PM
:D, must be why I donk off my stack ;)

My brother splaying the warm up, million and second chance each for $215 tonight, I'm just going for the million if anyones bored :)

SamTheOldGoat
11-03-2007, 10:22 PM
Zzzzzzz

PokerStars Game #8853572400: Tournament #44218549, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (100/200) - 2007/03/11 - 17:10:53 (ET)
Table '44218549 1092' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Rabscuttle (12475 in chips)
Seat 2: Zamora23 (8188 in chips)
Seat 3: spetsern (8590 in chips)
Seat 4: GoatFaceSam (11665 in chips)
Seat 5: Christheberg (9200 in chips)
Seat 6: EatMeFish808 (10475 in chips)
Seat 7: 33falby (11925 in chips)
Seat 8: nachoace (8082 in chips)
Seat 9: natspatsno (9350 in chips)
natspatsno: posts small blind 100
Rabscuttle: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GoatFaceSam [As Ac]
Zamora23: folds
spetsern: raises 200 to 400
GoatFaceSam: raises 400 to 800
Christheberg: folds
EatMeFish808: folds
33falby: folds
nachoace: folds
natspatsno: folds
Rabscuttle: folds
spetsern: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [5h 5d 8c]
spetsern: bets 600
GoatFaceSam: calls 600
*** TURN *** [5h 5d 8c] [3d]
spetsern: checks
GoatFaceSam: bets 1600
spetsern: calls 1600
*** RIVER *** [5h 5d 8c 3d] [3h]
spetsern: bets 5590 and is all-in
GoatFaceSam: calls 5590
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spetsern: shows [5s 5c] (four of a kind, Fives)
GoatFaceSam: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
spetsern collected 17480 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17480 | Rake 0
Board [5h 5d 8c 3d 3h]
Seat 1: Rabscuttle (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Zamora23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: spetsern showed [5s 5c] and won (17480) with four of a kind, Fives
Seat 4: GoatFaceSam showed [As Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 5: Christheberg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: EatMeFish808 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 33falby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: nachoace (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: natspatsno (small blind) folded before Flop

saul1664
11-03-2007, 11:55 PM
Looks like you had plenty of warning aces were no good.

RichieG
12-03-2007, 10:18 AM
Shocking call, what did you think you were beating? Did you recover from that?

(EDIT - I should add of course, that we've all done it......so hard to lay down Aces :( )

SamTheOldGoat
12-03-2007, 11:43 AM
Shocking call? You serious. I don't think I can lay that down, realistically there are 2 hands that are beating me in a pack of cards, 55 and 88 on that board. There are so many hands that I'm beating that he's making that bet with.

I used time bank on the river bet as I was talking to others about the same hand and all three including my brother who chopped the Warm up last week and is a superb player thought JJ/QQ. 55 was a shock but hey hoe, it's not the WSOP and only $215.

Lasted for quite a bit longer in the comp

SamTheOldGoat
12-03-2007, 11:44 AM
Off course I pass AA on a dangerous board there but that is NOT a dangerous board. If we have a triple suited KJ10 board, or 10 10 K etc it's in the muck on the river.....

se1eagle
12-03-2007, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Shocking call? You serious. I don't think I can lay that down, realistically there are 2 hands that are beating me in a pack of cards, 55 and 88 on that board. There are so many hands that I'm beating that he's making that bet with.


I would agree. The board paired twice and I don't think you could put your opponent on 55 or 33 bearing in mind he called a preflop re-raise. The only hand that might beat you was 88, but even so that would be unlikely - I would have had him on an overpair.

However it does add more fuel to my fire regarding premium hands getting sucked out by underpairs on PS - I've seen the exact same hand (AA vs quad 5s on the flop) twice in a week of playing - and now you've had it too.

KevTheOptimist
12-03-2007, 12:19 PM
You have to make that call. I'd have prob been putting him on an over pair as well, but then knowing my luck the minute I click call he blatently flips up the 5 or 3.

P.s. you say onl;y 55 and 88 beat you but doesn't any hand with a 5 or 3 in it beat you too/

oz_da II
12-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
P.s. you say onl;y 55 and 88 beat you but doesn't any hand with a 5 or 3 in it beat you too/

Correct, but he's narrowing down his opponent's hand based on the pre-flop call after his reraise.

SamTheOldGoat
12-03-2007, 12:39 PM
Correct Oz, I don't think he's raising in early position and then calling my reraise with A5, 53, A,3 :)

RichieG
12-03-2007, 01:35 PM
I would have read that as A5s or 88 myself, but then the stakes I play ($5 & $10 Tourneys) do tend to see some fairly poor starting hands. In a $215 buy in tourney I guess it's reasonable to rule out the poorer hands. I obviously play a bit too tight, but if someone pushes that many chips into me on a double paired board I'm generally wanting the FH to call.

saul1664
12-03-2007, 04:03 PM
Right load of retards on my table, called 4 x BB with 2 10 (suited) and hit 2 10 on flop. Have had my first I think KK vs AA with K hitting on turn (all in as well) so it's balanced itself out.

KevTheOptimist
12-03-2007, 04:15 PM
Didn't realise it was the $215 tourney to be honest STOG so on that basis I'd have thought you were good against all but 2 hands.

Like Richie says, at the level play at I would have been folding to a lot more hands that could have me beat, even with the UTG raise - A5s, A3s, 55, 33, 88, even A5 un sooted andon the take.....

SamTheOldGoat
12-03-2007, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by RichieG
I would have read that as A5s or 88 myself, but then the stakes I play ($5 & $10 Tourneys) do tend to see some fairly poor starting hands. In a $215 buy in tourney I guess it's reasonable to rule out the poorer hands. I obviously play a bit too tight, but if someone pushes that many chips into me on a double paired board I'm generally wanting the FH to call.

I really don't think in all honesty that he is raising with A5 or A3 in that position UTG+1/2 and then calling min reraise....

I'm in no way saying this was a bad beat, just unfortunate to be in the first few stages. The million had over 10k entrants and paid over $270k last night! WOW

saul1664
12-03-2007, 07:34 PM
Whats the stats for top two pair holding up after the flop. Been beat several times in a row, this one shocking. Q10 flop Q10 7, raise 5 x BB, turn 3, then get raised again, push all in, he holds Q3, river 3.

DANCOO
12-03-2007, 11:19 PM
Well, I have reached enough FPP's on PS to get my $50 bonus, after that, I will never play the site again.

I can't explain it, but I honestly have hardly hit a single hand in around a week - and I'm talking 1000's of hands here!!!

I'm desperately trying to put all my hands into perspective, but I honestly cannot, and after I have wanked my $50 bonus, I will refuse to play the site anymore...in fact, I won't even do that.
I am going to cash my $50 bonus out and run.

Poker Stars can off.

Son of Selhurst
12-03-2007, 11:24 PM
Not fixed then?

DANCOO
12-03-2007, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Not fixed then?

If people genuinely thought it was fixed, they would leave the site, thus negating the purpose of fixing it.

I hate the layout, I hate all the skins, I hate how tiny the hole cards are for the other players making it difficult to see who's in and who isn't, I hate the way I can't catch a hand.

I won't come on here moaning about it every other day, I will just leave.

Son of Selhurst
12-03-2007, 11:42 PM
ok

Son of Selhurst
12-03-2007, 11:45 PM
"I will refuse to play the site anymore..."

DANCOO
12-03-2007, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
"I will refuse to play the site anymore..."

Yes, I don't like it.

SamTheOldGoat
12-03-2007, 11:46 PM
:D

SamTheOldGoat
12-03-2007, 11:47 PM
Not all sites are for everyone, I hate betfair and will never play it. I play Stars because of the aray of competition and the fact that I beat nearly every cash game I play on it and am accustomed to the skins. I will play Full Tilt in 2 months time as well because I rail the big games, I know how the sites 'ticks'

Son of Selhurst
12-03-2007, 11:59 PM
Wrong quote then


Originally posted by DANCOO
I can't explain it, but I honestly have hardly hit a single hand in around a week - and I'm talking 1000's of hands here!!!

DANCOO
13-03-2007, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Wrong quote then

Quote what you will, but your arguement for site-rigging doesn't hold water.

The fact I have not hit a hand is one of many reasons why I don't like the site.

Rather than bitch about it week in, week out, I will just up sticks.

Son of Selhurst
13-03-2007, 12:11 AM
Good for you

KevTheOptimist
13-03-2007, 12:13 AM
Lol

SamTheOldGoat
13-03-2007, 12:14 AM
Yawn, what an awful argument. Pokers poker, it's down to cards, I could have 25,000 hands dealt to me and not hit AA or KK each time, it happens SOS, your still holding this belief of the rigged sites. Do you play poker online still?

Reps AJ
13-03-2007, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yawn, what an awful argument. Pokers poker, it's down to cards, I could have 25,000 hands dealt to me and not hit AA or KK each time, it happens SOS, your still holding this belief of the rigged sites. Do you play poker online still?

I thought you were supposed to be studying? :)

I'm supposed to be asleep though, so I'll leave them to their argument

SamTheOldGoat
13-03-2007, 12:20 AM
I was.......... good spot ;)

That is all..........

se1eagle
13-03-2007, 12:35 AM
It's funny how the 'bad luck' is just on PS though. I am making money on FT, but if I play on PS I get wasted every time, with 80% favourites. The only thing keeping me playing on PS is the hope that maybe it's not rigged and I'm just suffering terrible variance, but looking back through my hands with Poker Office there's little to back up that philosophy.

SamTheOldGoat
13-03-2007, 01:18 AM
lol@ the philosophy. What does any gaming organisation get from 'rigging' a site? Why would Full Tilt be any different, as per Ladbrokes as per Betfair? Why did my brother make 45k in a few weeks, because PS want to keep him on board and then he lose it all to other players to keep them interested?

This whole 'rigged' thing bores me to death, and if you honestly believe that, you should stop playing cards online full stop and go play in a card room or casino when there is much fouler tactics such as collusion every single tournament occuring, and that's a fact.

SamTheOldGoat
13-03-2007, 01:20 AM
PS, I'm not aiming to 'defend' PS, this is as a whole for all online sites.

SE1, drop PS an email and explain that you think it may be 'rigged'. Their e=mail back will amuse you, I guarantee!

se1eagle
13-03-2007, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
lol@ the philosophy. What does any gaming organisation get from 'rigging' a site? Why would Full Tilt be any different, as per Ladbrokes as per Betfair? Why did my brother make 45k in a few weeks, because PS want to keep him on board and then he lose it all to other players to keep them interested?


Hey I work in online gaming and I know how suicidal it would be for a billion-dollar generating company to risk a massive legitimate earner on earning more money - I just find it hard to explain the level of bad beats I have both suffered and seen. I accept that I haven't been at PS anywhere near long enough to consider my experience a valid statistical sample and hopefully in time I will be proved wrong.

As for why PS would rig it, if the hands are arbitrarily rigged to generate more action then tournaments take less time to complete and release players, people playing cash games play bigger pots and generate more rake for the house. For a site with 40,000 players online at any one time that could equate to serious money.

Anyway I don't want to bore anyone so I won't go on about it - IIRC I think I defended online poker sites against rigging allegations earlier in this very thread. :)

DANCOO
13-03-2007, 08:44 AM
I just consider PS to be a bogey site for me. Just like football teams have bogey teams which they can't seem to beat, I can't seem to crack PS.

I tried to withdraw my measly $50 out of spite, but it wouldn't let me make a withdrawal with 48 hours of a deposit, so I will probably play it off...not before I spent my 500 FPP's on some tacky travel mug though. :D

SamTheOldGoat
13-03-2007, 10:17 AM
What's wrong with a stress star :D

DANCOO
13-03-2007, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
What's wrong with a stress star :D

I went for the item which would cost them most to send, that'll teach 'em. :D

saul1664
13-03-2007, 11:35 AM
Just sucked out to a higher full house 888AA to AAA88, one and a half hours of play wasted, was going to leave in two more hands as well. Only came out $4 up. Doh.

KevTheOptimist
13-03-2007, 12:13 PM
Has anyone gone on tilt from poker but instead of reloading and playing well loose they go to a roulette table and lose 3 x what they did on the poker table?

Am going to start a gamblers anonymous thread.

SamTheOldGoat
13-03-2007, 10:08 PM
Ya, start the new thread Kev. Never played another 'gambling' game such as roully or blackjact at a casino OR online!" LET ME KNOW HOW YOU DO :D

PoolKing
13-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
As for why PS would rig it, if the hands are arbitrarily rigged to generate more action then tournaments take less time to complete and release players, people playing cash games play bigger pots and generate more rake for the house. For a site with 40,000 players online at any one time that could equate to serious money.


I can understand this type of 'rigging' argument where there are more 'action' pots than there should be so that more rake is generated, if this were the case then the poker company would benefit and conditions would be the same for ALL players.

This type of argument is more plausible than when people claim that sites are rigged against them and for certain players...

DANCOO
13-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I can understand this type of ...

How's things going PoolKing?

KevTheOptimist
14-03-2007, 08:46 AM
STOG - You have to try roulette ! You'll have big swings but if it gets too bad, you could sell all your uni books and anything of anyworth to you and carry on!

Never stop STOG, never.

SamTheOldGoat
14-03-2007, 04:46 PM
Gosh, I was wrecked last night after the days races in Cheltenham Kev, I have played those games live but never online so not sure why I said I haven't then.

Should I have a go or is it addictive?! :D

KevTheOptimist
14-03-2007, 04:59 PM
In estonia recently I spent about 250 in 2 days boozing then on the last night changed up 20 for the casino, a couple of spins and ended up with most of it on 17. Looked away, in it came, came home with 230 in me back burner!

SamTheOldGoat
14-03-2007, 05:07 PM
SHIP IT! :D

saul1664
14-03-2007, 05:08 PM
just hit a royal, only won about $4, as re-raise all in met with a fold. But then won a big pot with nut flush, when someone moved all in on a bluff when flush was made on the river. happy days.

SamTheOldGoat
14-03-2007, 06:12 PM
My brothers new setup so he can multi Sng's. 32" Panasonic with another 20" monitor that he runs at the moment. Think he can play 20 comfortably! eeek

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/Leonsnewscreen.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/Leonsnewscreen.jpg

SamTheOldGoat
14-03-2007, 06:13 PM
Rubbish, thought it would come out better, nevermind.

DANCOO
14-03-2007, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
My brothers new setup so he can multi Sng's. 32" Panasonic with another 20" monitor that he runs at the moment. Think he can play 20 comfortably! eeek

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/Leonsnewscreen.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/Leonsnewscreen.jpg

Surely, to multi-table that many, he is only playing his hand - not the table, not the player, not position?

SamTheOldGoat
14-03-2007, 06:47 PM
I don't think he will play $100 sng's to the amount of 20. It's what he could play and if he steps down to $25 ones maybe he will. I think he'll probably play 10 regularly which he mentioned earlier, as soon as he upgrades his graphics card. He notes most players I think and pays for sharkscope and from there it picks up automatically all players at his table and what their stats are, but your right, he is mainly playing his hand which he thinks is +ev in the long run.

We'll see how his stats go over the next few days I suppose. He used to play lower SNGs until his big wins over hte last month and now says the $100+ sng's are the easier games, and thinks it may be due to richer players who don't mind losing that sort of money unlike $10-$35 sng's which people are playing within their roll and the money 'matters' so to speak?

KevTheOptimist
14-03-2007, 06:53 PM
STOG, your brother is wrong. $10,000 SnG's are the easiest.

SamTheOldGoat
14-03-2007, 07:17 PM
:lol, I'll pass the message on Kev! Imagine how many electronic roully tables he could get up :D

KevTheOptimist
14-03-2007, 09:51 PM
What a result for Palace.

saul1664
16-03-2007, 11:19 PM
Two hours into a 1,250 player tournament, top 100 get paid, I am on bubble in 101st, have 6,000 chips blinds 750/1500, get KK first hand after break, in early position so just call all-in and hope for the best, probably won't get a better chance before I'm blinded out. One caller. He has KK, 4 hearts on board make him flush and I'm out. Shambles.

Zola's Chin
17-03-2007, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Two hours into a 1,250 player tournament, top 100 get paid, I am on bubble in 101st, have 6,000 chips blinds 750/1500, get KK first hand after break, in early position so just call all-in and hope for the best, probably won't get a better chance before I'm blinded out. One caller. He has KK, 4 hearts on board make him flush and I'm out. Shambles.

Was in the same tournament. Last hand before the 2nd break, I'm dealt AQos on the button. Stack just over 10k. Folded round to me, I raise from 1000 to 2500. Both blinds call. Flop comes A, J, some random heart. Small blind checks, big blind checks, I bet 4k. Small blind calls. Turn card was another random heart. Small blind pushes all in, I call, he flips over Kh Qh. River completes his flush. He's called a 4k bet with effectively an inside straight draw, then hit runner, runner for a backdoor flush. :sob:

See you went out 114, Saul - I was 122. Very frustrating.

saul1664
17-03-2007, 12:51 AM
What killed me was that I got up to 16000 chips, got A7, blinds were 600/1200, so raise to 2 X BB, everyone folds apart from fairly short stack who pushes all in for about 4000, I call, sensed I had him beat, he turns over J10 and spikes a J on the river, after that I lost it for a bit.

The other problem I had was some mentalist on my table who every time I called or raised with raise about 4 x more, mostly on crap hands, but I never had a hand to go over the top with, so remained static. I had accumulated the chips from good play, not one bit of luck in the whole tourney which makes it more annoying.

saul1664
17-03-2007, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
Was in the same tournament. Last hand before the 2nd break, I'm dealt AQos on the button. Stack just over 10k. Folded round to me, I raise from 1000 to 2500. Both blinds call. Flop comes A, J, some random heart. Small blind checks, big blind checks, I bet 4k. Small blind calls. Turn card was another random heart. Small blind pushes all in, I call, he flips over Kh Qh. River completes his flush. He's called a 4k bet with effectively an inside straight draw, then hit runner, runner for a backdoor flush. :sob:

See you went out 114, Saul - I was 122. Very frustrating.

Didn't look at my exit position, just saw I was 101 before I played the KK.

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
What killed me was that I got up to 16000 chips, got A7, blinds were 600/1200, so raise to 2 X BB, everyone folds apart from fairly short stack who pushes all in for about 4000, I call, sensed I had him beat, he turns over J10 and spikes a J on the river, after that I lost it for a bit.

"Sensed you had him beat", you have ESP? :)

Originally posted by saul1664 I had accumulated the chips from good play, not one bit of luck in the whole tourney which makes it more annoying. [/B]

I'm not sure calling for a quarter of your stack with ace-rag is "good play". You're not beating much and your losing to a lot of hands. I won't play ace-rag unless it's folded around to at least the cut-off. what position were you in?

Extremely unlucky with the kings, obviously...

DANCOO
17-03-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
"Sensed you had him beat", you have ESP? :)



I'm not sure calling for a quarter of your stack with ace-rag is "good play". You're not beating much and your losing to a lot of hands. I won't play ace-rag unless it's folded around to at least the cut-off. what position were you in?

Extremely unlucky with the kings, obviously...

Excluding what position he raised from, he had already invested 2,400 of his chips into the pot and was getting more than 2.5-1 to call.

saul1664
17-03-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
"Sensed you had him beat", you have ESP? :)



I'm not sure calling for a quarter of your stack with ace-rag is "good play". You're not beating much and your losing to a lot of hands. I won't play ace-rag unless it's folded around to at least the cut-off. what position were you in?

Extremely unlucky with the kings, obviously...

No, knew he had been pushing with poor hands, knew I was ahead. Late position obviously.

SamTheOldGoat
17-03-2007, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
What killed me was that I got up to 16000 chips, got A7, blinds were 600/1200, so raise to 2 X BB, everyone folds apart from fairly short stack who pushes all in for about 4000, I call, sensed I had him beat, he turns over J10 and spikes a J on the river, after that I lost it for a bit.



Why were you min raising with A7 in the first place? Would like to see the HH for that hand as I don't know position, stage of tourny etc but seems like a suspicious play? Your effectively drawing to 3 cards in the deck, and I would call min raise with ANY hand from BB and probably SB....?

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
No, knew he had been pushing with poor hands, knew I was ahead. Late position obviously.

How did you know he didn't have A-8 or above or pocket 7's or above?
All hands you are completely dominated by.

Still not a fan of putting a high percentage of my stack at risk with ace-rag.

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Why were you min raising with A7 in the first place? Would like to see the HH for that hand as I don't know position, stage of tourny etc but seems like a suspicious play?

It stinks of weakness which is what ace-rag is...

saul1664
17-03-2007, 10:34 AM
Because poker is not necessarily about what cards you have, has to do with putting pressure on opponent, stack size, position etc. If I raised all in, he still calls, and I'm still ahead. That's part of the game, even a minimum raise still puts pressure on small stack sizes when the blinds are big.

Plus you don't know what people will call with. Have just lost a big pot, when trips beaten by straight, after having a 7 x BB bet matched with 6 10 offsuit pre flop.

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Because poker is not necessarily about what cards you have, has to do with putting pressure on opponent, stack size, position etc. If I raised all in, he still calls, and I'm still ahead.

Not sure if he does that, a complete chump if he does, I suppose you did see his previous history...

saul1664
17-03-2007, 10:44 AM
Well he did, on a very passive flop and was only ever ahead when J hit the river. Hand history available after the end of every hand, so am able to see what people have been raising with.

SamTheOldGoat
17-03-2007, 10:45 AM
I know pokers not all about the cards, but a min raise with A7 in my opinion is NOT good play, if you were in position maybe you could have shoved to pick up the blinds or made a bigger raise to put him off. Maybe J 10 saw your raise as weekess and reraised al lin?

Zola's Chin
17-03-2007, 10:53 AM
Glad to see you guys haven't picked holes in my play! :D

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I know pokers not all about the cards, but a min raise with A7 in my opinion is NOT good play, if you were in position maybe you could have shoved to pick up the blinds or made a bigger raise to put him off. Maybe J 10 saw your raise as weekess and reraised al lin?

Exactly what I'm thinking...

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
Glad to see you guys haven't picked holes in my play! :D

Shove all-in post flop? :o

Yours did seem unlucky.

SamTheOldGoat
17-03-2007, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
Glad to see you guys haven't picked holes in my play! :D

Post up some 'beat' hand histories and I'm sure we'll be able to :D

I critique my own play just as bad and when people put up hands like that I enjoy finding where the play was wrong

oz_da II
17-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Post up some 'beat' hand histories and I'm sure we'll be able to :D


He's got one on the top of this page where he got flushed out.

Zola's Chin
17-03-2007, 11:16 AM
My take on the A7 hand is that I would certainly have folded it in any position except the button or the seat before. If in one of those 2 seats it's playable, but you don't really want action. So the only way to play it is with a significant (at least 3.5xbb) raise, hoping to see the blinds fold, not a minimum raise which makes it easy for the blinds to call. Given how close Saul was to getting in the money & the fact that he was in no immediate danger of biting the dust, I'd have folded regardless.

Strathclyde Eagle
17-03-2007, 11:27 AM
Here's a scary board if you have pocket Queens:
6d 8c 7c 9d 8d

Fortunately for me another player had pocket 2s(!) and one had Ah7h.

SamTheOldGoat
17-03-2007, 11:45 AM
Maybe with A7 I would have shoved, if your on the bubble people are obviously must more likely to fold if they are that worried about the money. I would be goign for the win rather than making a few dollars so would want chips and probably try and take them off 'scared' players!

lol@ Zolas flush hand!

citizen sane
17-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I know pokers not all about the cards, but a min raise with A7 in my opinion is NOT good play, if you were in position maybe you could have shoved to pick up the blinds or made a bigger raise to put him off. Maybe J 10 saw your raise as weekess and reraised al lin?


Agreed. Either push hard or chuck it, the last thing you want to see is a flop with that hand and you would never be sure where you stood post-flop either unless you flopped two pair or trips.

citizen sane
17-03-2007, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
if your on the bubble people are obviously must more likely to fold if they are that worried about the money. I would be goign for the win rather than making a few dollars so would want chips and probably try and take them off 'scared' players!


One of the best times in a tourney to steal Imo.

When your close to the final table is another time it pays to get aggressive as well .

saul1664
17-03-2007, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
My take on the A7 hand is that I would certainly have folded it in any position except the button or the seat before. If in one of those 2 seats it's playable, but you don't really want action. So the only way to play it is with a significant (at least 3.5xbb) raise, hoping to see the blinds fold, not a minimum raise which makes it easy for the blinds to call. Given how close Saul was to getting in the money & the fact that he was in no immediate danger of biting the dust, I'd have folded regardless.

It was the seat before the button, only two of us in play, obviously wouldn't have played it in any other position. Despite having played very well to get where I was in the tourney, I haven't played this hand very well and don't know why I did either. It's not one of the hands I tend to play, thought I had the edge and would be looking at 22,000+ chips if I hadn't got rivered. Still, won't be making that mistake again.

citizen sane
17-03-2007, 07:31 PM
I know STOG was posting these up here. But I think they only went up to series 3 episode 7.

Anyway here's all of High Stakes Poker series 3 so far, up to episode 9. :)

http://www.alluc.org/alluc/sport.html?action=getviewcategory&category_uid=4870#4870

citizen sane
17-03-2007, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
It's not one of the hands I tend to play, thought I had the edge and would be looking at 22,000+ chips if I hadn't got rivered. Still, won't be making that mistake again.

I just hate A rags full stop . Either it can get you into all sorts of trouble post-flop or you get your big pairs muffed by some clown overplaying it.

Generally the only way I play it is to limp in if its suited and hope to catch a flush or two pairs. If I don't then the hand is mucked.

( Edit ) I only play it this way when the blinds are small.

citizen sane
17-03-2007, 07:57 PM
Been playing Poker stars quite a bit lately, I have to say its my favourite site at the moment.

Currently I've worked my way up to playing on the $20/$30 STT and haven't been doing to badly.

DANCOO
17-03-2007, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Been playing Poker stars quite a bit lately, I have to say its my favourite site at the moment.


Played a couple of tournie last night.

Went out of a Hold'em tourney when my AK all-in didn't hit to beat TT, but I cashed in a Hi/Lo tourney.

Something which, really quite bizzarely, has improved my play on PS is opening the table up to fill the monitor, rather than having it smaller.
I was finding it really hard to concentrate on who was on the hands because their dealt cards were so small.

I shall continue for the time being, purely because of the amount of traffic.

DANCOO
17-03-2007, 09:00 PM
This is a pretty cool site for cash players >>> http://www.pokersitescout.com/gamefinder.asp

Strathclyde Eagle
17-03-2007, 09:58 PM
PS, PP and PR leading the way. Very little traffic on the non-US Microgaming sites.

saul1664
18-03-2007, 01:14 AM
Fecking hell. Aces crushed. 2 lots of 4 x BB before me (I'm last to act), so raise 20 x BB two callers, flop comes down 4 8 3 (two hearts), push all in to ward off flush draws, get called, caller has 8 10 hearts and heart hits the turn.

Two hands later it's happened again, nut straight killed by flush on river. More annoying is that I've had about 3 nut flushes and not got paid on any of them.

oz_da II
18-03-2007, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Fecking hell. Aces crushed. 2 lots of 4 x BB before me (I'm last to act), so raise 20 x BB two callers, flop comes down 4 8 3 (two hearts), push all in to ward off flush draws, get called, caller has 8 10 hearts and heart hits the turn.

Two hands later it's happened again, nut straight killed by flush on river. More annoying is that I've had about 3 nut flushes and not got paid on any of them.

Is this a freeroll or something??? :eek:

Who calls a 20 x BB raise with T8 suited? :clown:

se1eagle
18-03-2007, 02:55 AM
Here's a hand that went horribly wrong. I feel I made a couple of errors here, mainly because I was worried about the straight on the flop with so many players in, but would appreciate any advice on how I should have played it.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2011635881: Table Churchfield - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Holdem - 22:43:58 ET - 2007/03/17
Seat 1: PETER2K6 ($14.75)
Seat 2: LoveBoat77 ($24.90)
Seat 3: chiseler1 ($6)
Seat 4: popfish ($24.95)
Seat 5: surrealz ($19.30), is sitting out
Seat 6: Canuck Money ($5.50)
Seat 7: Gluteus ($25.95)
Seat 8: GymRat23 ($13.85)
Seat 9: spoon_22 ($26.85)
popfish posts the small blind of $0.10
Canuck Money posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gluteus [9s 9h]
Gluteus calls $0.25
GymRat23 calls $0.25
spoon_22 calls $0.25
PETER2K6 calls $0.25
LoveBoat77 folds
popfish calls $0.15
Canuck Money checks
*** FLOP *** [9c Ts 8s]
popfish checks
surrealz stands up
Canuck Money checks
soonerswin sits down
Gluteus bets $1.25
soonerswin adds $10
GymRat23 calls $1.25
spoon_22 folds
PETER2K6 raises to $2.50
popfish folds
Canuck Money folds
Gluteus calls $1.25
GymRat23 calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [9c Ts 8s] [Qd]
Gluteus checks
GymRat23 checks
PETER2K6 checks
*** RIVER *** [9c Ts 8s Qd] [Tc]
Gluteus bets $5.75
GymRat23 folds
PETER2K6 raises to $12, and is all in
Gluteus calls $6.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PETER2K6 shows [8c Td] (a full house, Tens full of Eights)
popfish adds $0.30
Gluteus shows [9s 9h] (a full house, Nines full of Tens)
PETER2K6 wins the pot ($31.35) with a full house, Tens full of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $33 | Rake $1.65
Board: [9c Ts 8s Qd Tc]
Seat 1: PETER2K6 showed [8c Td] and won ($31.35) with a full house, Tens full of Eights
Seat 2: LoveBoat77 (button) didnt bet (folded)
Seat 3: chiseler1 is sitting out
Seat 4: popfish (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: surrealz is sitting out
Seat 6: Canuck Money (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Gluteus showed [9s 9h] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Tens
Seat 8: GymRat23 folded on the River
Seat 9: spoon_22 folded on the Flop

citizen sane
18-03-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Here's a hand that went horribly wrong. I feel I made a couple of errors here, mainly because I was worried about the straight on the flop with so many players in, but would appreciate any advice on how I should have played it.


Unlucky on the river :(

99 is an awkward hand to play in that early a position. I don't how loose the table was or what table image you had, but I'd have raised maybe 3xBB to start, the fact that you were in an early position should have represented a strong hand to other players and put off the limpers.

That flop was messy even with a set and with five other players you'd have to reckon on someone having a draw . The pot sized bet you made would not have put off many people who had an open ended straight or flush draw. But then again neither would the reraise that two pair man put in. But even though it was a messy flop you was only losing to a set of tens or if someone had QJ / J8

Not sure what I would have done on the turn, probably the same as you tbh. I'm a bit suprised two pair man didn't have a stab though.

The river was unlucky . Its hard to put someone on a T/8 full house.

Just out of interest would you have bet if the river was a blank ?

citizen sane
18-03-2007, 08:18 AM
Only just caught up with this thread last night and forgot to say congrats to your brother Sam :p What a result !!

citizen sane
18-03-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Is this a freeroll or something??? :eek:

Who calls a 20 x BB raise with T8 suited? :clown:


Lunatic play :rolleyes:

Although I will play these hands if I have a few chips and the blinds are low. Never to a raise that big though.

Zola's Chin
18-03-2007, 08:22 AM
Hmmm... You could potentially have re-re-raised PETER2K6 after the flop. A big raise there may've taken the pot there & then which would've been no bad thing because it's a very dangerous board.

All 3 players in the pot had a chance to represent a jack after the turn. With the amount already in the pot, I'm surprised nobody did.

Once the hand made it to the river, you were very unlucky. You were always going to lose your chips if another ten hits the board.

Wouldn't beat myself up too badly if I'd played the hand the way you did. Some tough decisions there & you were ultimately unfortunate to lose the hand.

SamTheOldGoat
18-03-2007, 10:10 AM
Cheers Citizen, it was certainly a great Sunday evenings entertainment!

SE1, I don't think anyones getting out or away from that pot. I think I check/call a bet on the turn as you still have mega outs for the river, and I'm always doing my stack on the house on the river, It was just one of those unfortunate hands and I think I F.C with 99 UTG like you did and raise a raise. UL :(

saul1664
18-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Is this a freeroll or something??? :eek:

Who calls a 20 x BB raise with T8 suited? :clown:

Cash table

Strathclyde Eagle
18-03-2007, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Here's a hand that went horribly wrong. I feel I made a couple of errors here, mainly because I was worried about the straight on the flop with so many players in, but would appreciate any advice on how I should have played it.
Sets are normally winning hands, so instead of calling the re-raise on the flop I'd re-raise again. After that you're just unlucky that he hits a four-outer.

Sort of hand that shows the importance of bankroll management though, as there's really no way you're getting away from that once the board pairs.

DANCOO
18-03-2007, 10:26 PM
How sick is this beat I just had >>> http://www.pokerhand.org/?916757

oz_da II
19-03-2007, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Here's a hand that went horribly wrong. I feel I made a couple of errors here, mainly because I was worried about the straight on the flop with so many players in, but would appreciate any advice on how I should have played it.


Raise pre-flop. That should get rid of stinky hands like T8

I will raise with pocket sevens or higher. Hopefully then narrowing the field.

oz_da II
19-03-2007, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Cash table

Would be interesting to see that hand in a "poker hand converter".

SamTheOldGoat
19-03-2007, 02:36 AM
Gosh, such a fish..... the right shove on the button etc, and Ocrowe was raising cut off, button most hands..... Nice pulling it off as a huge dog. Ended up cashing in second stage for $415 or something and never had a bit stack :(

PokerStars Game #8970961665: Tournament #44757891, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (1000/2000) - 2007/03/18 - 19:19:58 (ET)
Table '44757891 854' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dumba900 (55970 in chips)
Seat 2: ocrowe (89018 in chips)
Seat 3: Stixx53 (18175 in chips)
Seat 4: /-/4rris (22620 in chips)
Seat 5: Siegel (182532 in chips)
Seat 6: Daulton_Lee (47528 in chips)
Seat 7: monkinhof (43340 in chips)
Seat 8: imagine777 (27295 in chips)
Seat 9: Ealos (66160 in chips)
dumba900: posts the ante 100
ocrowe: posts the ante 100
Stixx53: posts the ante 100
/-/4rris: posts the ante 100
Siegel: posts the ante 100
Daulton_Lee: posts the ante 100
monkinhof: posts the ante 100
imagine777: posts the ante 100
Ealos: posts the ante 100
Siegel: posts small blind 1000
Daulton_Lee: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to /-/4rris [9c Ac]
monkinhof: folds
imagine777: folds
Ealos: folds
dumba900: folds
ocrowe: raises 3550 to 5550
Stixx53: folds
/-/4rris: raises 16970 to 22520 and is all-in
Siegel: folds
Daulton_Lee: raises 24908 to 47428 and is all-in
ocrowe: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 8c 5s]
*** TURN *** [8h 8c 5s] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [8h 8c 5s 7h] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Daulton_Lee: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
/-/4rris: shows [9c Ac] (a straight, Five to Nine)
/-/4rris collected 52490 from pot
/-/4rris said, "vul"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 52490 | Rake 0
Board [8h 8c 5s 7h 6s]
Seat 1: dumba900 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ocrowe folded before Flop
Seat 3: Stixx53 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: /-/4rris (button) showed [9c Ac] and won (52490) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 5: Siegel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Daulton_Lee (big blind) showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 7: monkinhof folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: imagine777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ealos folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Reps AJ
19-03-2007, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
How sick is this beat I just had >>> http://www.pokerhand.org/?916757

Ouch thats unlucky :eek:

Mind you, I've seen some sh1t play in Omaha, people going crazy with pairs but in this case there are only two hands that are beating him on the flop and turn - KK and K3 - and he calls your all in with a full house, just what you want in fact but that river, ouch

saul1664
19-03-2007, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Would be interesting to see that hand in a "poker hand converter".

I'd rather not. Couldn't win any of it back either as player immediately left table. Right now AJ has been cracked by Q3 off suit after 5 x BB pre flop. At least I managed to fold after turn even with A on board. Will take it as part of play on lower stakes boards.

SamTheOldGoat
19-03-2007, 02:10 PM
I have learnt that unless I'm in the cutoff or button, I limp with AJ/KJ/KQ.

That's DISGUSTING Dan

saul1664
19-03-2007, 02:31 PM
I play short handed, so these hands have a bit more power than on a 10 man table. Do vary bets on these marginal hands for a bit of variety etc. Raising 3 to 4 x BB will get 1 or 2 callers at best, just my luck I get someone calling with Q3.

oz_da II
19-03-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
I play short handed, so these hands have a bit more power than on a 10 man table. Do vary bets on these marginal hands for a bit of variety etc. Raising 3 to 4 x BB will get 1 or 2 callers at best, just my luck I get someone calling with Q3.

If you're getting these buffoons consistently cold calling your strong hands with trash you must surely be collecting?

saul1664
19-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Problem is someone will win with a hand like that and then immediately leave, not giving you the opportunity to win any back, or someone else will get paid off, and then they leave the table broke, or they get lucky and keep hitting their cards on the river.

Some days you get paid off but it is very slooooow progress.

Funk Butter
19-03-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
How sick is this beat I just had >>> http://www.pokerhand.org/?916757
I've played with that LED joker before. There was no way he was folding that hand even to a pre-flop reraise.

DANCOO
19-03-2007, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
I've played with that LED joker before. There was no way he was folding that hand even to a pre-flop reraise.

I don't know any of these players yet.

I very occasionally limp with two pair in the hole - usually after I've passed on the previous four - purely as a speculative punt - trips or fold.

DANCOO
20-03-2007, 12:24 AM
Bah!

Still can't seem to crack the $10+1 HI/LO re-buy.

8th last night, and 3rd tonight.

Compared to my heads-up holdem, which I tend to play very well, I am yet to master s/h HI/LO (and I was leading at one point with 4 players left). :(

SamTheOldGoat
20-03-2007, 10:18 AM
Those places still sound good though, as PS normally has a fair old field. Your cashing though I take it but just not 'closing'?

DANCOO
20-03-2007, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Those places still sound good though, as PS normally has a fair old field. Your cashing though I take it but just not 'closing'?

Those were on Laddies.
I'm playing ring games on PS with the odd tourney, but always play the $10+1 r/b on Laddies.

I'm cashing, yeah, but as there are generally only around 60-70 in that tourney with a prize pool of around $1,500, it's not great money.

Reps AJ
20-03-2007, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
How sick is this beat I just had >>> http://www.pokerhand.org/?916757

Spooky, I just lost with AAAKK against someone with KKK when the last K popped up on the river :sob:

Reps AJ
20-03-2007, 07:43 PM
Just been beaten by some muppet with 46os who called a 4xBB raise :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Zola's Chin
21-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Saul - If you're reading this, I'm sat next to you on your right!

Be afraid. Be very afraid! LOL!:D

saul1664
21-03-2007, 12:02 AM
don't critique my play

Zola's Chin
21-03-2007, 12:05 AM
Ouch!!!

saul1664
21-03-2007, 12:06 AM
quads doh

saul1664
21-03-2007, 12:08 AM
lucky there folded nut flush

Zola's Chin
21-03-2007, 12:08 AM
Don't you just hate it when that happens?!! :sob:

saul1664
21-03-2007, 12:09 AM
this kochi bloke is getting on my nerves

Zola's Chin
21-03-2007, 12:11 AM
At least he hasn't got $16 worth of your chips!!

We should post the hand history of that hand - see if anyone would've put it down in my position!

saul1664
21-03-2007, 12:12 AM
Only just looked back at that, that is some bad bad beat.

Zola's Chin
21-03-2007, 12:29 AM
$0.1/$0.2 cash table. 6 players. (including Saul!)

I'm dealt Ad Kd.

1st to act folds, I raise to $0.5, both blinds call. Pot is $1.5.

Flop comes. Jd 7c 2d.

Small blind checks, big blind bets $0.6, I call, small blind calls. Pot is $3.3.

Turn card is 3d.

Small blind checks, big blind checks, I bet $0.6, both blinds call. Pot is $5.1.

River card Js.


Small blind checks, big blind bets $3. I look at boat possibilties & decide that it's unlikely. Raise to $6. Small blind folds, big blind moves all in for another $12.3.

Who'd have called, who'd have folded?!

DANCOO
21-03-2007, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
$0.1/$0.2 cash table. 6 players. (including Saul!)

I'm dealt Ad Kd.

1st to act folds, I raise to $0.5, both blinds call. Pot is $1.5.

Flop comes. Jd 7c 2d.

Small blind checks, big blind bets $0.6, I call, small blind calls. Pot is $3.3.

Turn card is 3d.

Small blind checks, big blind checks, I bet $0.6, both blinds call. Pot is $5.1.

River card Js.


Small blind checks, big blind bets $3. I look at boat possibilties & decide that it's unlikely. Raise to $6. Small blind folds, big blind moves all in for another $12.3.

Who'd have called, who'd have folded?!

If I've worked it out correctly, there's $26.40 in the pot with $6.30 to call.
So your getting over 4-1.
I would need to have a real good read on the player to lay that down.
Even if you are certain he's got it, I think you've got to pay him off.
But then again, I don't fair too well on ring holdem.

Zola's Chin
21-03-2007, 12:57 AM
As you probably already knew from my dialogue with Saul at the time, I called, he had JJ! Stakes would've had to be far higher before I'd have genuinely considered laying it down!

saul1664
21-03-2007, 01:00 AM
Nice comeback though. Massive whingeitis when he got done KK to 79 offsuit though.

saul1664
21-03-2007, 01:04 AM
got to go. can't seem to get ahead today. take em out for me.

SamTheOldGoat
21-03-2007, 01:04 AM
I think maybe I stick in a slightly larger bet on the turn, something like half the pot to get any sort of money out of it and I'm definitely not passing on the river, although it sounds as though a reload was needed. You made it 2 and a half times preflop and as a blind, almost def BB I would have called with most marginal hands hoping to bust you including J7, J2 etc.... house then?

SamTheOldGoat
21-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Sorry, just seen the hand you posted!

saul1664
21-03-2007, 10:38 PM
What's the right play here.

Dealt 8h 9h

0.10/0.20 cash table

call raise to 0.40, several other callers

flop comes 10 h J s 3 h

big reraise to $3.20, which I call

turn card 3 c

only other caller calls for $5

$8 already in pot, so am putting in $5 to get $18 (just over 2.5/1)

Do you call (knowing you are behind but have 17 outs) or fold (knowing you are beaten)

Gav The Hamster
21-03-2007, 10:44 PM
err fold, most of your outs could be taken by the other caller who could have a higher flush draw.

edit...if there are 2 other players in the pot,

saul1664
21-03-2007, 10:46 PM
That's one of the main decisions for folding the hand, the flush draw is pretty poor. He had QQ by the way.

saul1664
21-03-2007, 11:33 PM
This seems to work well on low stakes tables.

0.10/0.20

K c 10 c big blind, raise to 0.40

flop is K 10 K (nice)

everyone folds but one caller

he calls 0.40 on flop, I flat call

he calls 0.40 again on turn, I flat call again

He then calls 0.40 on river. To try and maximise what I can get from the pot (this has worked before), I wait until the timer is virtually up and then call what seems a random amount (this time $3.90) - make sure you call it before timer runs out so your nuts aren't folded.

He smells a bluff and reraises $7, he's now hopelessly pot committed, so I reraise him again to the rest of his stack which was about $3-4, so he calls and loses a big pot. He had JQ so only had the pair of KK which hit the flop.

Strathclyde Eagle
21-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Only he's got eight outs to get himself into further trouble. Irrelevant once the final card has been dealt, obviously.

RichieG
22-03-2007, 12:21 PM
The flush and straight draw hand you posted Saul is interesting, as the pot odds are very close. The key to this one is how much money you and the caller have left - if he has a big stack behind then this one might be worth a call on the basis of implied odds - i.e. the implication that if you do hit one of your 17 outs you may take the rest of his stack.

Of course you have to balance this against the fact that you could be drawing dead, or he could see the danger if you do hit and fold.

It's a concept that has some value, but you have to be careful not to use it to justify crazy calls!

saul1664
22-03-2007, 04:16 PM
He had about $11 left when he raised $5 which meant the implied odds were not that great. I also knew that I would have to call if flush hit due to size of his stack. It was a toin coss call, and about 20 seconds in which to make it. I'm thinking that maybe I should have made the call as the play on the table wasn't that great and could have got the money back pretty easily. Its one of those hard decisions that couldn't be made in the time allotted. Made profit on the table so happy with my general play.

saul1664
22-03-2007, 09:17 PM
Hmmmm, just played a live game. Out after 1 hour 10 minutes. AQ raise met flop of 999, K on turn didn't help and then I was committed to either push all in or preserve a small amount of chips. Was sure I was being bluffed by a wide boy, stared him out for 2 minutes but couldn't spot a tell so folded. He had JQ. Overplayed a few winning hands, but busted out when called all in with AK after a pre flop raise met AQ, to meet a blank board and a Q on the river. When I played before live I played a lot better, but this time was not aggressive enough. And I need to learn to deal as I look a right spanner.

saul1664
22-03-2007, 09:18 PM
Fecking Pompey scum as well.

saul1664
22-03-2007, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
This seems to work well on low stakes tables.

0.10/0.20

K c 10 c big blind, raise to 0.40

flop is K 10 K (nice)

everyone folds but one caller

he calls 0.40 on flop, I flat call

he calls 0.40 again on turn, I flat call again

He then calls 0.40 on river. To try and maximise what I can get from the pot (this has worked before), I wait until the timer is virtually up and then call what seems a random amount (this time $3.90) - make sure you call it before timer runs out so your nuts aren't folded.

He smells a bluff and reraises $7, he's now hopelessly pot committed, so I reraise him again to the rest of his stack which was about $3-4, so he calls and loses a big pot. He had JQ so only had the pair of KK which hit the flop.

Just done this again. Made straight on turn, one caller who kept betting minimum 0.20 into pot. After river card dealt, he bets 0.20 again, I wait until the timer is almost up, re-raise $3.40, he re-raises $7, I push him all in, he calls and his two pair is dominated

David Amsalem
23-03-2007, 12:21 AM
Don't you hate loosing to bad players?

Blinds are 15/30, dealt AQ o/s, raise 5x bb to 150, one caller. Flop is A Th 3h, bet 1/2 of the pot and get a call. 4 on the turn. Stack is about 1000 now, he has 3000. I have him down as a fish from previous play. I raise all in trying to stop him hitting a flush, he calls. Turns over 4h5h, river 5.

How can you call 5x BB with 45? Then call 1/2 pot on a turn. Then call somebody's all in - surely you must realise that you are behind from the word go!

Oh well. Been doing very well recently. Gone back to my very tight method, and the rewards have been well, rewarding :p

saul1664
23-03-2007, 12:28 AM
Every single player on my table is a complete mentalist

saul1664
23-03-2007, 12:41 AM
Got up to $62 on table, get AJ, make my two pair on turn, all my big raises called, only for QK to spike trip Kings on River.

saul1664
23-03-2007, 12:51 AM
then called all in with top pair top kicker, only to be rivered by one one of 3 outs by a straight chaser. Immediately after those two rivers hit trip Aces then trip Kings with no callers.

saul1664
23-03-2007, 01:05 AM
What a volatile table. Just made trip queens beating trip 10s to win a nice big pot.

Strathclyde Eagle
23-03-2007, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
How can you call 5x BB with 45?
Position/connectors innit. Some people like calling with those kinds of hands.

RichieG
23-03-2007, 09:46 AM
Fair enough on a cash table, but in a tourney it's madness.

(I'm assuming David isn't playing $15/$30 cash!)

Funk Butter
23-03-2007, 09:07 PM
http://www.neteller-group.com/press/en/126.htm

Not sure of the long term effects, but Neteller has reached agreement with the US Department of Justice to get a plan together for paying back American customers. They say that they will formulate the plan over the next 75 days with the help of an outside consultant. So, hopefully, I can get my cash sometime this decade.

Lion
23-03-2007, 11:03 PM
think i just encountered a bot on pokerroom.

was playing a heads up low stake ($5) game and he was folding v. every hand automatically. thought it was a disconnected but then called and raised, then back to folding, etc. Game went on for ages, I kept betting, he folded, I picked up blind - was going all in most of the hands too.

Anyhow - got him down to about 600 chips and all of a sudden he went all in - I called and won, but didn't seem like usual behavior..

Lion
23-03-2007, 11:40 PM
played on my pokerroom account and started with $8 tonight. Lost a sit and go and ended up with about $1. Won some back and ended the night on $70. Only really play small stakes so that did the job.

saul1664
24-03-2007, 12:43 AM
Have turned 0 into 102 in 3 weeks, all on 0.10/0.20, waiting to get another 100 before popping up a level.

saul1664
24-03-2007, 08:52 PM
Have had the following offer (is this worthwhile).

I am to be given $200 a day to play poker with
I am to play a maximum limit of 50c/$1 cash tables
I have to play a minimum of 40 table hours per week
I am to have a daily loss limit of $200 a day, if this is repeated for 3 days, the amount to play with is halved
I have to participate for 30 days
I will be allocated a mentor who analyses your play
I will have access to statistics

Link here

http://www.badbeat.com/Ease/servlet/DynamicPageBuild;jsessionid=nxzrdg5xc1?siteID=1867&categoryID=1182&catName=ABOUT

Go to Trainee Trader (PDF file) to see contract

Web page says they provide 100% of bankroll, contract says 50%, also termination algorithm I can't work out. Can anybody.

Is this a good deal or not?

DANCOO
24-03-2007, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Have had the following offer (is this worthwhile).

I am to be given $200 a day to play poker with
I am to play a maximum limit of 50c/$1 cash tables
I have to play a minimum of 40 table hours per week
I am to have a daily loss limit of $200 a day, if this is repeated for 3 days, the amount to play with is halved
I have to participate for 30 days
I will be allocated a mentor who analyses your play
I will have access to statistics

Link here

http://www.badbeat.com/Ease/servlet/DynamicPageBuild;jsessionid=nxzrdg5xc1?siteID=1867&categoryID=1182&catName=ABOUT

Go to Trainee Trader (PDF file) to see contract

Web page says they provide 100% of bankroll, contract says 50%, also termination algorithm I can't work out. Can anybody.

Is this a good deal or not?
Without reading the link:

What is in it for the people making the offer?
What is in it for you?
40 hours/week - if you multi-table, will this reduce the hours you need to play by 50% per table?

saul1664
24-03-2007, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Without reading the link:

What is in it for the people making the offer?
What is in it for you?
40 hours/week - if you multi-table, will this reduce the hours you need to play by 50% per table?

For the people:

They collect 50% of any winnings, plus a tasty rakeback from the site they make you play on.

For me:

They provide me with 100 a day to play with and I get 50% of the profits. A mentor and software provided to give you an edge.

Don't know about multi tabling to be honest.

DANCOO
24-03-2007, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
For the people:

They collect 50% of any winnings, plus a tasty rakeback from the site they make you play on.

For me:

They provide me with 100 a day to play with and I get 50% of the profits. A mentor and software provided to give you an edge.

Don't know about multi tabling to be honest.

Is this only for 30 days, or can it go further?

Personally, if it is simple as you make it out, the I would say go for it...what have you got to lose (unless it is some dodgy thing where you have to hand over your bank details)?

saul1664
24-03-2007, 10:11 PM
It can go further or be terminated at any time. Obviously if you are losing their $200 a day they aren't going to be that keen. Can develop into full sponsorship so you play for them in rooms/tourneys as part of their team.

saul1664
25-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Never seem to win multiway pots. Cash game, re-raise a 6 x BB call with QQ, two small stack in the pot, so reraise to all their money, up against 77 88, 88s make trips.

citizen sane
25-03-2007, 11:06 AM
High stakes poker -episode 10 series 3 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNnivTfmn_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEBQsrEhapE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfCop7lLmE&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lshe-ikSfFc&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vtM-vqbFhI&mode=related&search=

saul1664
25-03-2007, 11:20 AM
I feel a day of riverings coming on

LLCOOLSTEVE
25-03-2007, 07:43 PM
Just played first freeroll tourno, finished 564th out of 12,000 so fairly happy, managed to last over an hour and a half :)

DANCOO
26-03-2007, 11:04 AM
What site you using LL?

saul1664
26-03-2007, 11:24 AM
sounds like prima network

saul1664
26-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Got a split pot due to this retard

AQ suited, raise 4 x BB

flop 10 J Q

raise 12 x BB, he flat calls

check on turn to slow down play and see if he will put a bet in/show strength of hand

he immediately checks

K hits for straight, raise $7, he re-raises all in, I call, retard turns over A4

so he called a 12 x BB call with nothing on the board apart from 4 outs

Strathclyde Eagle
26-03-2007, 12:51 PM
Yikes, if an Ace falls you're probably taking his whole stack.

saul1664
26-03-2007, 02:14 PM
was a bit of a calling station but left before i could do too much damage

saul1664
26-03-2007, 04:59 PM
Just had JJ cracked on an AA6 flop by QK with Q on river. Had too many of these to mention today. Took down a pot limit HL omaha sit and go which is good as I'm not great at omaha. What's the best strategy heads up (took about 25 mins at heads up stage before I won).

David Amsalem
26-03-2007, 05:13 PM
Well happy with my performances recently. Turned 5 into 100 easy.

What am I doing different? Nothing, just not getting unlucky. My hands win when they should be, and lose when they should.

Playing very tight on 10c/20c cash tables. So many poor players.

saul1664
27-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Just had KK busted despite 5 x BB r aise pre flop 7 x BB raise flop, 10 x BB raise on turn, calls all in on turn with 8 high, and catches 7 for gutshot straight and same thing two hands later when outflushed 78 with me having top straight.

David Amsalem
27-03-2007, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Position/connectors innit. Some people like calling with those kinds of hands.

Should have said his position wasn't good neither. Oh well, the run continues :p

saul1664
27-03-2007, 07:41 PM
good, was flying but back a bit, donkeys keep hitting

10 10 hits 9 10 J flop, continual raises called and he beats me with A 4 when turn and river hit Q K

multitabling at the moment to try to boost profits quicker

David Amsalem
27-03-2007, 07:47 PM
Do you win any hands?

Strathclyde Eagle
27-03-2007, 08:01 PM
Was wondering the same thing myself. :)

saul1664
27-03-2007, 11:12 PM
I usually just put my losing ones on here. And my royal flushes of course.

oz_da II
28-03-2007, 12:01 AM
Start a new thread, "Saul's Bad Beats" :clown:

RichieG
28-03-2007, 08:44 AM
LOL, poor saul......

I came to a landmark moment last night - I made my first withdrawal from Ladbrokes! Only $300, but am finally in a nice position of being almost level since I started playing online back in August - this despite one drunken night early on where I lost a couple of hundred dollars playing cash way above sensible limits.

I think I could be on my way to becoming a consistent winner at the lower levels, have made just over $300 in the 136 tourneys I've played since getting Poker Office, I realise this is nothing like a statistically sound sample size, but it's encouraging nonetheless!

DANCOO
28-03-2007, 02:21 PM
Not strictly online poker, but I thought my loss would be appreciated here more than anywhere else.

I have been offered a job (which I have had to accept due to financial reasons), which starts monday, but in the process I have had to turn down a second interview in April for a position I was dieing for.

The position I have had to turn down : Repairing/servicing thermal printers in cashless gaming machines.

What did the role entail : Travelling to casinos throughout Europe (Monte Carlo, Prague, London, Amsterdam, Paris, Lisbon, Moscow...), to service/repair their cashless gaming thermal printers.

The chance to travel Europe and go to a lot of the top casinos...gone. :sob:

RichieG
28-03-2007, 02:46 PM
That's too bad Dancoo, what is the job you've had to end up taking?

DANCOO
28-03-2007, 02:56 PM
I've been offered a sub-contract role, for which I have to go self-employed to do, for seven months with the possibility of permanent employment after that - working on RFID systems.
I 'think' they are planning on sending me to California in the middle of April, so musn't grumble too much.

Strathclyde Eagle
28-03-2007, 03:02 PM
Dancoo at "Live At The Bike", coming soon... ;)

DANCOO
28-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Dancoo at "Live At The Bike", coming soon... ;)
:)

saul1664
28-03-2007, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Start a new thread, "Saul's Bad Beats" :clown:

You saying I'm a :clown: :veryangry

Okay two stories from last night. 6 player short handed table, five maniacs (they must have read some book that says raise with any old crap and keep raising). After noticing this for a while I decide to play and catch them cold

Ah5h, call 4 x BB

flop 2h 3h 4d

Pretty sure no one has straight, continue to call turn on rag card

river makes nut flush

I get called all in with A9 to double my stack

Next hand have 88, board comes 225, call minimal 3 x BB raise both on turn and river, river is 8

I am then pushed all in and collect when 88855 beats 55522, why no all in or signifcant raise on flop or turn I don't know.

Earlier had folded straight due to dodgy board when raised $11 as there were obvious higher straights and he shows two pair (it was too early in the game to call, hadn't realised what he was calling with)

Now my favourite hand of last night to show how barmy play on this table was. I get Ac 3c in BB, everyone limps round, flop comes A rag rag.

Player next to me goes all in, everyone folds apart from one more player who also goes all in (they have stacks of half the buy in). I obviously fold with a hand like that. Hands turned over are JK offsuit vs 79 offsuit, 79 collecting when a 7 hits the river. Now that is :clown:

PoolKing
28-03-2007, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Have had the following offer (is this worthwhile).

I am to be given $200 a day to play poker with
I am to play a maximum limit of 50c/$1 cash tables
I have to play a minimum of 40 table hours per week
I am to have a daily loss limit of $200 a day, if this is repeated for 3 days, the amount to play with is halved
I have to participate for 30 days
I will be allocated a mentor who analyses your play
I will have access to statistics

Link here

http://www.badbeat.com/Ease/servlet/DynamicPageBuild;jsessionid=nxzrdg5xc1?siteID=1867&categoryID=1182&catName=ABOUT

Go to Trainee Trader (PDF file) to see contract

Web page says they provide 100% of bankroll, contract says 50%, also termination algorithm I can't work out. Can anybody.

Is this a good deal or not?

Saul, coincidentelly I have recently come about this BadBeat company and am going to get started on monday. One of my friends told me about one of his friends from university had a job involved in poker, he also sounded similar to myself in that he would build up a bankroll only to go mad or on tilt and lose good portions of it and that now he was given a bankroll from somebody else and was given a maximum to lose per day in order to control tilt/anger losses.

To cut a long story short I got in touch with this chap and he explained what BadBeat is all about and after showing him some of my poker tournament wins he invited me up to their offices in London. Since going with BadBeat he has done phenomenally well, turning $500 into $100k in the space of 3 months...something he knows he would never have done successfully with his old habits and bankroll management. Here is the feature on him from the badbeat website to give you a bit of info....

http://www.badbeat.com/Ease/servlet/DynamicPageBuild?siteID=1867&categoryID=1177

I went up to London and they are based in Knightbridge in a great location, in a really nice building, everyone was friendly, etc. I met with the main man John Conroy and he told me a bit as did one of his colleagues. I logged into my poker account on Bet365 and showed them profit for 2005, 2006 and 2007 and this was all they needed, to prove that I was a 'winning' player. They offered me a deal as a trainee which John (the one in the feature above) is trying to improve for me. If need be though I am prepared to prove myself with $200 a day if it can lead to sponsorship within 30 days.

As I multitable, 40 hours table time isn't a lot so I can still continue to play with my own account if I want to. I see the BadBeat thing as a no-lose situation as you are playing with their money and if you lose they will just not give you anymore which is fair enough. Also, if you decide it isn't for you then you can easily stop working with them.

The main attraction for me is that they provide a bankroll for you (if the trainee period goes well) and they control it. Personally, I have demonstrated to myself and to them that over 2+ years I have profitted from poker but one thing is holding me back and that is money management. I have tried several times to control it but it is a big weakness of mine and has held me back a lot but with this BadBeat controls it so on losing days I can only lose a set amount.

Also, playing online poker can be very mundane but you have the option of using their office and being around like-minded people, mentors, etc.

Of course, regarding you...I don't know what your strengths and weaknesses are and this BadBeat deal wouldn't be for everyone. I see it as holding most appeal for good players who are poor at managing / improving their bankroll.

Anyway, sorry to waffle on but if you have any questions then feel free to ask:p

PS by the way, please stop posting your bad beat hand posts:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry :D

saul1664
29-03-2007, 12:12 AM
I'll probably PM you later at some stage in the next few days. The only reason I put up losing hands rather than winning hands is they are the hands you need to learn from/improve play, think you should be constantly analysing your hands to see where you go wrong.

Anyway nice tonight, hours play netted over $40, crazy calls, flush and straight chasers missing, the amount of times I hit top pair top kicker and got called by rubbish is phenomenal. QA with Q7 called all the way to the river. AK with A3 calling me all the way to the river, all hoping to hit, the way it should be.

This hand is fantastic. Spot the moron.

player 1 10 h 3 h
player 2 j s 10 s
player 3 a s 8 s
player 4 a c a h

No significant pre-flop raise by anybody

Flop comes with 3 low spades.

Player one is first to act (previously had played pretty normally) and pushes all in.

Players 2, 3 and 4 can't believe their luck and also push all in. No help for the Aces on turn and river, player 3 takes a massive pot.

SamTheOldGoat
29-03-2007, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by saul1664

Ah5h, call 4 x BB

flop 2h 3h 4d

Pretty sure no one has straight, continue to call turn on rag card

river makes nut flush

I get called all in with A9 to double my stack

Next hand have 88, board comes 225, call minimal 3 x BB raise both on turn and river, river is 8

I am then pushed all in and collect when 88855 beats 55522, why no all in or signifcant raise on flop or turn I don't know.


Because he flopped the second nuts? That board is unreal, your never sticking in a bet imo

oz_da II
29-03-2007, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Next hand have 88, board comes 225, call minimal 3 x BB raise both on turn and river, river is 8

I am then pushed all in and collect when 88855 beats 55522, why no all in or signifcant raise on flop or turn I don't know.


It's called slow-playing. He's flopped a full house and wants action. Most of his opponents at best have two outs (like in your case) to beat him or need runner-runner to win, after the turn most of the time they will be drawing dead.

Why kill the hand with a huge bet? He's winning this hand +90% of the time after the flop.

DANCOO
29-03-2007, 10:50 AM
In bed, under the weather, I decide to play some cash hold'em for the first time in months, and within half an hour I am reminded why I stopped playing hold'em - clueless wankers.:veryangry

PoolKing
29-03-2007, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
The only reason I put up losing hands rather than winning hands is they are the hands you need to learn from/improve play, think you should be constantly analysing your hands to see where you go wrong.


Point taken and I agree:p

However, a lot of bad beats are the result of good play and are simply down to bad luck. Still, in some cases I suppose you can look at what actions you could have taken to avoid getting the beat inflicted upon you.

Strathclyde Eagle
29-03-2007, 06:16 PM
The thing is that Saul consistently puts up good results. He's a good player and shouldn't need to come across as anything else.

Funk Butter
29-03-2007, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I've been offered a sub-contract role, for which I have to go self-employed to do, for seven months with the possibility of permanent employment after that - working on RFID systems.
I 'think' they are planning on sending me to California in the middle of April, so musn't grumble too much.
If you are near LA, you can play at the Commerce Casino. I believe its the largest poker room in the USA.

saul1664
29-03-2007, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Because he flopped the second nuts? That board is unreal, your never sticking in a bet imo

Normally I'd agree with you, but it was such a volatile table, that basically he could have had anything so I could have been ahead, and to me was worth calling two 0.60$ bets that eventually won a pot of $40. Plus it's a very easy fold to any significant reraise. Plus as I play short handed I usually raise with probably any pocket pair from 77 upwards. This has two advantages. One, is that you can represent a good continuation bet, if everyone checks around you espeically if there is a picture card on the table, secondly it gives you the option of building a good pot before you get to the flop so when you hit, you can either check (especially on a non threatening rainbow flop) to look weak and then re-raise, or continue with a series of increasing bets that are viable for other players to call you so you end up getting the maximum money available.

There is a theory that you should call all in with the nuts or second nuts or whenever you are ahead in a pot, because even if you only get called one or two times and win you are raking in more then if you are checking or minimal raising.

I hit QQQQ from one Q on turn, checked and when King came on the river, I was raised $2, I raised him all in ($11), he says "you have queen" and calls. He has the full house of course. so it does happen.

I then pair K10 on flop, two diamonds, so I had top pair, was reraised and faced another heart, so two potential flush draws means I am looking at a possibility of 18 outs on the flush without knowing what kicker I could be up against, so when raised again, I pushed all in for all my stack (something I have been wary about doing in the past and as poolking says is probably more to do with bankroll management then anything else), and he folded. I managed to still collect $11 from the pot, safe in the knowledge that if he does call, I am still a big favourite to win, whereas if I flat call and a heart or a diamond hit the river, I have no information to whether to call a big raise or not, because he can represent that he has hit.

saul1664
29-03-2007, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Point taken and I agree:p

However, a lot of bad beats are the result of good play and are simply down to bad luck. Still, in some cases I suppose you can look at what actions you could have taken to avoid getting the beat inflicted upon you.

I take the point that the bad beats are probably a tad irritating and won't post them anymore. ;)

DANCOO
29-03-2007, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
If you are near LA, you can play at the Commerce Casino. I believe its the largest poker room in the USA.

Not sure exactly where in California I'll be going, or even if I will be going, but if I do it is for a course (a few days I would imagine).
Don't think they would be too impressed if I rolled in to the course skint, blind drunk and stinking of ciagarette smoke...but the temptation may be too big to ignore. ;)

oz_da II
30-03-2007, 01:33 AM
Here's one for you, what are the chances?

Dealt pocket jacks two hands in a row and got cracked by the same hand both times. A2. Here's the best bit, neither of them hit their ace...

One got trip 2's, the other hit a straight on the river. :moo:

ozeagle
30-03-2007, 01:35 AM
PP, LM, EO

saul1664
30-03-2007, 11:08 PM
This hurt. Is there anyone who can put hands through a hand checker program so I don't have to keep writing this down. What did I do wrong here.

0.10/0.20 cash table

Skog V8 ($26.30) 10 h Ad
Josh 1927 ($3.20) 10c 10s
saultilt ($24.22) J d Jc

Skog calls $0.2
saultilt raised $1.20
Josh 1927 raised $2.10

Skog V8 calls $2
saul tilt raises $4
Josh 1927 is all in $1

Skog V8 calls $2

Flop Kh Js 7c

Skog V8 calls $1.20
saul tilt calls $1.20

Turn 5s

Skog V8 checks
saul tilt raises $2.40

Skog V8 calls $2.40

River Qd

Skog V8 calls $4
saultilt raises $8

Skog V8 raises $10.00
saul tilt calls $6.00

Skog V8 wins with straight Ace high

Am I looking to push all in on turn, it's a non-threatening board for me, unless he has trip Kings, never saw 10 A, and why is he calling 12 x BB on a 4 outer. Only when he reraised did I think 10 A and then couldn't quite believe it and called the extra $6 as pot committed.

Lucky was multitabling and was $42 up on the other table, and in a cash position in tourney, though got knocked out with two consecutive 10 10 to overcards both times.