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Strathclyde Eagle
16-05-2007, 06:02 PM
One display has Qc on the river, then below it has the Jc on the river. Very strange - I thought Pokerhand figured out what was what automatically?

Gav The Hamster
16-05-2007, 11:11 PM
I'm assuming AAA lost to runner runner QQQQ ?

SamTheOldGoat
17-05-2007, 12:34 AM
Don't pay any attention to the bottom and writing. Just took a HH from online.... Yes AAA lost to runner runner quad Queens.....

Finbar
17-05-2007, 08:22 PM
My first multi table for ages

I just beat AA with QK suited (2 queens on the flop) both all in (I was short stacked)

then called with 9 10 suited by accident as I was betting on the horses at the same time (though I might have risked it as it wasn't a huge raise), ended up with a full house.

My point being... well no point other than am a bit merry, not the most focussed card player in the world but doing well!!

Is a £20 multi player and am currently 4th (56 still left in) so fingers crossed

Beer is flying down which I know isn't a good thing (and I waffle I know)

Mind you, flying in the face of all known wisdom, I play better with a few beers inside me, am lot more patient

Finbar
17-05-2007, 08:25 PM
then some bloke who was shortstacked went all in, i called him with 44, he got 2 pair but I pulled a flush, now chip leader

:)

(I know I'll mess it up)

Finbar
17-05-2007, 08:31 PM
well at the 5min break am chip leader by 4k of 138 starters :)

47 left pays top 20

Time for a beer

Finbar
17-05-2007, 08:52 PM
Still chip leader by 5k with , best I play tight then...

Is 13k or so a good amount to take to the final table? I currently have 17k and am happy to just play the blinds but not sure if that will leave me in trouble, would be happy with top 10 at the mo

Advice appreciated if anyone is reading and any good...

Finbar
17-05-2007, 09:06 PM
ok talking to myself I know but..

Just doubled up against number 2, I had QQ and went all in against 9 10 J on the board, the other guy had KK and the river was an 8

I am now chip leader by 19k, now being picky...

se1eagle
17-05-2007, 09:13 PM
Great stuff! Make sure you pick on the medium stacks (not the short stacks as they're liable to go all in) - and loosen up and become very aggressive when you get to the bubble (everyone will be keen to survive to the cash so will generally be extra conservative and fold to your raises)

Finbar
17-05-2007, 09:17 PM
nice one, just bullied a medium stack.

If you're interested (and please don't examine my play) it's William Hill £20 game at 2030 ID 4784169

Just cleaned up with KK, this is going too well...

KevTheOptimist
17-05-2007, 09:23 PM
GL Finbar - no pressure but you should defo win it from your position!!

Attack the mid stacks when near the bubble and loosen up a bit!

Finbar
17-05-2007, 09:24 PM
hmm liking the bullying the middle stacks plan, looking ok, 14 players left now and am still in front...

another beer required...

Finbar
17-05-2007, 09:41 PM
2nd break, 11 players left and am still infront

Want to wait for the 1 player to leave so I can see what's what.

Top 4 would be quality (though will probably lose lower going for victory!!)

LLCOOLSTEVE
17-05-2007, 09:46 PM
whats the prize breakdown?

Finbar
17-05-2007, 09:51 PM
828 to the winner, not looked beyond that

lost one big hand, currently 2nd out of 10 left

Finbar
17-05-2007, 10:27 PM
went all in with A5 against 56 and lost to a pair of 6s

3rd and £278 off £22 so all good :lux:

se1eagle
17-05-2007, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
went all in with A5 against 56 and lost to a pair of 6s

3rd and £278 off £22 so all good :lux:

Superb! Congrats! :lux:

saul1664
17-05-2007, 10:43 PM
Live game is flying at the moment. 7 consecutive top 4 finishes from 8 games. 3rd tonight despite down to 1,500 chips on final table with blinds at 2/4K!

saul1664
18-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Not a great fan of rebuys, but in a $1 rebuy with 500 people. Everyone going all in on every hand. Get fed up pretty much with this so push all in with AJ, get 6 callers, pot splits to 2345 straight.

Next flat call QQ to see QQ on flop, wait until river before pushing all in, called by 2 others up to 7K.

Get QQ again, flat call again, to get reraised by small stack and and flat called by big stack, flop is 892 rainbow, big stack goes all in, I call, he shows 89 and I make straight with runner runner 10 J, and now sit on 1st break with 18K in chips! Hopefully people will start playing properly now they can't rebuy.

Finbar
18-05-2007, 02:47 PM
how are you doing / did you do?

saul1664
18-05-2007, 02:56 PM
Up to 32K in chips now, on 2nd break. Got pushed all in by AK on Q rag rag board, when I had QJ and no help for him as I hit two pair. Only hand played in last hour.

saul1664
18-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Not one hand for two hours. Get QA in late position, call a raise of 8000, flop no help, only original raiser left, he pushes all in, I call. He has KK, Q on the river no help. Out in 75th. Prize money $2.53. Doh.

David Amsalem
20-05-2007, 02:46 PM
In a STT at the moment. Don't you hate it when you throw a hand that would have flopped a full house?

I had K2, flop was K K 2. Turn was K.

LOL :D

Gav The Hamster
20-05-2007, 03:08 PM
tried the ladders and bought in at $30.

Qualified and came an agonising 4th in level 4 ! Got rivered and was not impressed so 'steaming' a little, quickly re buy for $100 in 1/2 NL cash, and log off 20 minutes later with $530, all winnings from the same guy !

Like the idea of these ladders though so will give them more of a go soon

Reps AJ
20-05-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
tried the ladders and bought in at $30.

Qualified and came an agonising 4th in level 4 ! Got rivered and was not impressed so 'steaming' a little, quickly re buy for $100 in 1/2 NL cash, and log off 20 minutes later with $530, all winnings from the same guy !

Like the idea of these ladders though so will give them more of a go soon

I bubbled on the final table too, the last time I played them :sob: Still made it to final table 5 times now and cashed 3 times (including a win) for $1k. Found hardest part is getting off the $3 table so thinking of buying in directly at $10 from now on

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 12:21 AM
Sat with 100k in Sunday Million, guaranteed 500. ONE TIME

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 12:39 AM
Best of luck Sam - what's your username? Might come and rail you :D

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 12:46 AM
Damn, found you but no observer chat :( Meh. You're doing bloody well though - currently 42nd

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 01:05 AM
Ty mate, got up to 15th, that raise adn calling a reraies had 77... knew I oculd pass for final 75k..........

You found my new username then dude?

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 01:05 AM
TABLE 1131 now

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 01:20 AM
Watching you now - managed to remember you set up that new NiceHitFish account! Have to go to bed in a min but hang in there! You can do it!

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 01:23 AM
Thanks :), see me pump it up with 95dd and priced in to call? :D

Hopefully it will be a late night, the best hand Ive had it QQ once, 10 10 once, and AK two or 3 times, just trying to pick right spots, hopefully will be good news tomorrow. Only a few places off 1k at least :)

Cheers for 'silent railing' :)

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 01:26 AM
Don't think I could have made that last call of the reraise from Patrio with J9 - Zutzman has some big cohones

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 01:28 AM
LOL - NH! Nice way to take down AA lol :D PMSL

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 01:29 AM
Never passing.... here;s HH ;)

You see the chat re. J9 V Bluff?

PokerStars Game #10022485459: Tournament #50186235, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (5000/10000) - 2007/05/20 - 21:27:00 (ET)
Table '50186235 1131' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BlueberryMix (301614 in chips)
Seat 2: argenpoker (123058 in chips)
Seat 3: BrynKenney (165533 in chips)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (285890 in chips)
Seat 5: HollyWoods17 (66296 in chips)
Seat 6: Wake Boxer (111011 in chips)
Seat 7: Zutzman (288484 in chips)
Seat 8: RounderGuy (274700 in chips)
Seat 9: Tony Te (206249 in chips)
BlueberryMix: posts the ante 500
argenpoker: posts the ante 500
BrynKenney: posts the ante 500
NiceHitFish©: posts the ante 500
HollyWoods17: posts the ante 500
Wake Boxer: posts the ante 500
Zutzman: posts the ante 500
RounderGuy: posts the ante 500
Tony Te: posts the ante 500
NiceHitFish©: posts small blind 5000
HollyWoods17: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NiceHitFish© [5h Kh]
Wake Boxer: folds
Zutzman: folds
RounderGuy: folds
Tony Te: folds
BlueberryMix: folds
argenpoker: folds
BrynKenney: folds
NiceHitFish©: raises 275390 to 285390 and is all-in
HollyWoods17: calls 55796 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qh 7s 4h]
*** TURN *** [Qh 7s 4h] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 7s 4h Th] [3h]
Wake Boxer said, "this is gonna be funny"
NiceHitFish© said, "UL"
Wake Boxer said, "obv"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NiceHitFish©: shows [5h Kh] (a flush, King high)
HollyWoods17: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
BlueberryMix said, "oh"
NiceHitFish© collected 136092 from pot
Wake Boxer said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 136092 | Rake 0
Board [Qh 7s 4h Th 3h]
Seat 1: BlueberryMix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: argenpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BrynKenney (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (small blind) showed [5h Kh] and won (136092) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: HollyWoods17 (big blind) showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Wake Boxer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Zutzman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RounderGuy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tony Te folded before Flop (didn't bet)

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 01:30 AM
PS, That's what happens when you slowroll AA ;) :D

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 01:31 AM
GF - what did you have?

EDIT - Ah just saw - nines. Oh well, another level more dollarage - all good. Bedtime for me - I look forward to seeing your name on the popup on the front of PS when I wake up!

oz_da II
21-05-2007, 03:19 AM
Picked up 120 BB's in an hour of two tabling limit on TitanPoker last night.
3 absolute buffoons on each table donating chips left, right and centre.
Too easy.

Highly recommend TitanPoker for stinky play, most of them seem to be French...

Strathclyde Eagle
21-05-2007, 06:46 AM
Where did Sam end up in the Sunday Million. Too much suspense after the earlier posts!

oz_da II
21-05-2007, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Where did Sam end up in the Sunday Million. Too much suspense after the earlier posts!

Didn't make the final table.

PokerStars Sunday Million Results (4-22-07)
Based on finishing order and a three-way deal that left $30,000 for first place

1. SvZff (Netherlands) $163,974.12
2. WiCane (United States) $113,000.00
3. Anywhat (Austria) $90,000.00
4. chaimr (Canada) $56,540.40
5. Gator615 (United State)s $43,213.02
6. ShiP ThA $$$ (United States) $30,962.60
7. mantilaro (Chile) $22,212.30
8. Bad Rodin (France) $13,462.00
9. cashcondo (United States) $8,346.44

Finbar
21-05-2007, 09:29 AM
Isn't that from last month Oz_da?

"PokerStars Sunday Million Results (4-22-07)"

PoolKing
21-05-2007, 09:33 AM
Results for last night's tournament

PokerStars "Sunday Million" $200+15 with $250k added!!!
10,894 entrants - $2,428,800 paid out to 2,619 spots
(numbers based on two-way chop, leaving $30k for first)

tanbai - $187,901
011180 - $160,875
PiMaster - $85,736
jeffbeesdat - $59,991
rf11527 - $45,661
uncpeej - $34,974
rushcezar - $24,530
oldschool043 - $17,244
schulle1 - $12,144

oz_da II
21-05-2007, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Finbar
Isn't that from last month Oz_da?

"PokerStars Sunday Million Results (4-22-07)"

Correct :clown: :moo:

DANCOO
21-05-2007, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Results for last night's tournament

PokerStars "Sunday Million" $200+15 with $250k added!!!
10,894 entrants - $2,428,800 paid out to 2,619 spots
(numbers based on two-way chop, leaving $30k for first)

tanbai - $187,901
011180 - $160,875
PiMaster - $85,736
jeffbeesdat - $59,991
rf11527 - $45,661
uncpeej - $34,974
rushcezar - $24,530
oldschool043 - $17,244
schulle1 - $12,144

How's your poker going PoolKing?

Finbar
21-05-2007, 09:59 AM
what does:

(numbers based on two-way chop, leaving $30k for first) mean?

So the winner doesn't get $187k then?

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 10:12 AM
Zzzzzzzzzzzz, nah, ran pretty dead and STILL had no hands, again AK twice maybe,QQ, 10 10 and 77, both which I hit sets with. Not too great in over 6 hours of poker, but ended up with 1.5k, not bad but not good considering I was in 15-40th for a lot of the tourny. Thanks for support SE1, did any of my plays make you curious? Nevermind :)

They chopped it HU but the million you have to leave 30k on the table so there's still some excitement and something to play for. When my brother came 3rd in the warm up, as a third place he would have taken 28k I think but chopped for 35k and then played for a further 10k :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 10:14 AM
PS, SE1, I didn't have 9's there, I had KQ, but had to continuation obviously, but I ran into AQ, lol

PoolKing
21-05-2007, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
How's your poker going PoolKing?

Just plodding along for the last couple of months, haven't done anything special lately, gotta get back some focus and targets. Since 2.5 weeks ago I have been playing for the company BadBeat which Saul mentioned a while ago and that has been a bit of a mixed bag if I am honest.

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Zzzzzzzzzzzz, nah, ran pretty dead and STILL had no hands, again AK twice maybe,QQ, 10 10 and 77, both which I hit sets with. Not too great in over 6 hours of poker, but ended up with 1.5k, not bad but not good considering I was in 15-40th for a lot of the tourny. Thanks for support SE1, did any of my plays make you curious? Nevermind :)


From the little I saw I thought you played very well - in a pool of over 10,000 players with such a big buyin, finishing in the top few hundred is a superb achievement regardless.

Anyone interested in a BBS poker night at the Gutshot club sometime? They have cash games and £50/£100 tournaments on Friday/Saturday evenings. Would be really nice to meet up and play some live poker, plus it'll mean I get to wear my new cheapo Full Tilt sunglasses :D

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 10:35 AM
Also, I've been spending the weekend trying out new software as I got frustrated with PokerOffice crashing Full Tilt. I bought PokerTracker and PA-HUD, and have been datamining FullTilt using IdleMiner which seems to work well - now have extensive stats on over 2500 players in just a weekend. I also signed up for the trial of Sixth Sense which uses your PokerTracker database to find cash tables with high 'Fish-scores' - so far it seems pretty good!

saul1664
21-05-2007, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Just plodding along for the last couple of months, haven't done anything special lately, gotta get back some focus and targets. Since 2.5 weeks ago I have been playing for the company BadBeat which Saul mentioned a while ago and that has been a bit of a mixed bag if I am honest.

What do you mean? I was considering it, but 40 hours a week is a big commitment at the moment. Are you not making enough?

KevTheOptimist
21-05-2007, 11:20 AM
That 6th sense thing sounds funny.

Does it come with any disclaimers like 'Our table suggestions are suggestions only and actual winnings will be based on how you play and how the random hands pan out'

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
From the little I saw I thought you played very well - in a pool of over 10,000 players with such a big buyin, finishing in the top few hundred is a superb achievement regardless.

Anyone interested in a BBS poker night at the Gutshot club sometime? They have cash games and £50/£100 tournaments on Friday/Saturday evenings. Would be really nice to meet up and play some live poker, plus it'll mean I get to wear my new cheapo Full Tilt sunglasses :D
Thanks mate :)

I didn't get lucky once in the tournament so it's nice ot know I got that far by playing cards. That K5hh into the short stack on the BB was a standard shove all day long, just funny he woke up with AA but still wouldn't have damaged me that much!

I'm up for gutshot. Played there with my brother before, tournament structure is HORRENDOUS, but cash games are good fun, they even have 25p/50p for those that only want to sit with £25 :)

I recommend BIG SLICK for tournaments in Purley, probably a fair bit closer to a lot of the guys as well!

PS, If you wear FTP sunglasses, I won't talk to you :D;)

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 11:46 AM
Here's how the SNG's are going for me and my bro (we both play this account atm), see mega $3k downswing that pretty much happened yesterday. Altogether going well and at $200sng's have over 40%ROI over 60 games and about 6% at $100 I think which isn't too shabby. Still not playing enough but Uni's nearly finished, just a few essays and an exam then I'll hammer it.

PS, PK, tell me more about 'badbeat' and your experiences :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mymarktwogolf/POKER.jpg

PoolKing
21-05-2007, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat

PS, PK, tell me more about 'badbeat' and your experiences :)


See PMs;)

se1eagle
21-05-2007, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I'm up for gutshot. Played there with my brother before, tournament structure is HORRENDOUS, but cash games are good fun, they even have 25p/50p for those that only want to sit with £25 :)


Interesting - I haven't been to any live poker rooms so I'm happy to try either... What's wrong with the tournament structure? The blind levels?

Finbar
21-05-2007, 12:18 PM
had my first live poker room comp (Fullhouse in Reigate) a few weeks ago, have played with mates for the last 15yrs but still felt like a total novice!!

SamTheOldGoat
21-05-2007, 12:21 PM
The blinds go up WAY ot quickly SE, the starting stack is minimal and the way the blinds rise is completely out of keeping with ANY cardroom of casino I've ever been to! Definitely fun for some cash though!

Fullhouse is a fishpond imo Finbar. Played the £300 FO, £10r and Sunday £50FO and they play is horrendous which isn't bad but there's NO RESPECT of ANY raise. Also, I believe there is a certain amount of collusion amongst the players from my experiences there......

SE, if your near BIG SLICK I'll definitely meet you for a game sometime, twice a month they have £220 and £300 FO's and on Friday they have a £10R that pays about £3k for first I think!

saul1664
21-05-2007, 10:39 PM
Punch up at poker night over 1,300 chips. :eek:

Time they had stopped pissing around, the blinds had gone from 300/600 to 800/1600 (20 minute levels) without me playing a hand, moved to another table, directly on to another BB and that was me out. Joy of joys. :grrr:

KevTheOptimist
21-05-2007, 10:48 PM
You had a punch up Saul? lol or did I totally misread that

Strathclyde Eagle
21-05-2007, 11:10 PM
Sounds like Saul was the innocent victim in the mix-up.

saul1664
21-05-2007, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
You had a punch up Saul? lol or did I totally misread that

No. lol. I'm a lover not a fighter. No two blokes on my table. One a meathead and pissed up, the other one wouldn't let it go. I did tell him to behave himself, but I don't think he was listening.

saul1664
22-05-2007, 09:44 AM
$10 Freezeout

I have JJ early on blinds 10/20, raise to 80 from early position, get raised to 280, one other caller, I call. Flop is 2 3 6. I push all in, both call, first one turns over K5, second one 34, turn 5 for straight.

Why would you call pre flop 14 x BB raise with 34 (they were suited) and then push all in on a pair of 3's when you know you're dominated.

RichieG
22-05-2007, 11:03 AM
Nice hand sir, well played.

Over time you will take their money........

saul1664
22-05-2007, 11:54 AM
Well got it back and more in cash game. So back on to tourney. Get AA, one caller, he pushes all in with A4 and hits trips.

saul1664
22-05-2007, 11:55 AM
My god. Now I'm out. Blinds 15/30. Have 44, no raises, flop comes 4KK, so flop full house. Get called all in, he turns over K2, turn 8 river 8, he wins with higher full house.

saul1664
22-05-2007, 01:50 PM
Made a terrible lay down. Have KK. Raise to $2, flop is raggedy rubbish, continute betting on the turn, pair of 3s on the board. River another raggedy card but chance of straight if I've been called with JQ. Raise to $6.50 on river. He pushes me all in for his whole stack which is $50 so I lay them down. Have to put him on Kings or the straight. There have been flat calls pre flop with KK and AA on this table. He then tells me he has QQ.:veryangry

Thing is I usually push all in on a raggedy flop with QQ KK AA, no idea why I didn't do it this time. :sob:

Finbar
22-05-2007, 06:00 PM
final table of a $30 70 player comp... 9 left

Finbar
22-05-2007, 06:34 PM
finished 5th for $170, only my 2nd comp in ages, 3rd out of 130 or so and 5th out of 70, nice :)

saul1664
22-05-2007, 09:47 PM
This one kind of speaks for itself. Well it will when I can display the image.

saul1664
22-05-2007, 09:50 PM
OK Try again.

saul1664
22-05-2007, 11:52 PM
Battled back to get into the top ten. Got a seat in the $500,000 freeroll in August, top is 125K. Hanging on at the end, made a bad move against AJ with A10 and was on the bubble for ages. Whoo hooo. :cool:

Finbar
23-05-2007, 08:24 AM
Great stuff! When is the comp?

Won a 6 player £50 turbo on billy hills, one of the players was Torghelle and had a picture of him, made me laugh

When I said he was a Palace player the guy replied, "yeah that s me m8"

I have a feeling Sandor wouldn't use textspeak somehow...

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 08:44 AM
LOL@ ^^

Had a text from my brother saying he had a large cash last night in Broadway, but can't find anyway online to see where and how much etc?!?

Finbar
23-05-2007, 08:50 AM
I don't think I play enough poker as have not a clue what that post was about Sam :(

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 09:22 AM
:), no sweat, wrote it too quick as trying to bang out an essay! We played at Broadway casino Birmingham twice last week, and my brother chopped both of the tournies, £20r and £100 FO, he went back last night to play the £20r again and apparently won it, just want to find out how much etc but I'll have to wait till AWOP updates their site :)

Finbar
23-05-2007, 09:27 AM
ah I see, great stuff, get the inconvenience of academia out of the way so you can give it a go earning money through poker then, good luck in both!

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 09:29 AM
Thanks mate, would you be up for a BBS poker night at one of the card rooms in the near future? It's only literally 2 more weeks, a couple of essays and one exam, but played lots last few days and when I'm making £250+ per day playing not very much, sitting writting about outdoor leisure experiences isn't so appealling!

Eagle Of Cray
23-05-2007, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
[Bbut I'll have to wait till AWOP updates their site :) [/B]

Could you not just send a text back to your brother?

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 09:41 AM
I would but he's not in the country now. Poker game EOC?

Finbar
23-05-2007, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Thanks mate, would you be up for a BBS poker night at one of the card rooms in the near future? It's only literally 2 more weeks, a couple of essays and one exam, but played lots last few days and when I'm making £250+ per day playing not very much, sitting writting about outdoor leisure experiences isn't so appealling!

Asides from being a very poor 'live' player (I don't know why but I'm a lot better on line!) I would be up for it, did you say you don't like the full house in Reigate?

Finding a night is the tricky bit, busy every Saturday till I get back from holiday in mid July and not too keen on doing it on a Friday as I get ruined and am a mess on the Saturday! Will try to come up with a date but in the meantime let me know if we do another on line BBS game

Get the essays done, poker bubble might burst and think what your mother would say :p

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 09:52 AM
I get ruined and am a mess on the Saturday

GOLD :D

No sweat, I'll try and organise something in the next few weeks and let people know about it. Look forward to meeting, FH isn't my favourite as I'm sure there is too much collusion but I'm up for it :)

Finbar
23-05-2007, 09:57 AM
you're probably right, it did seem very clicky, some horrific players though, rebuying countless times!! Happy to go to the other one (the name I forget) and will probably drag StuNick with me (regular on the Betting Masters), rate him as a good player

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 09:59 AM
Great, I look forward to it then. Big Slick is the best card club in my opinion, and much better than GUTSHOT of FH. I'll be in touch soon so we can sort something out, as it seems a few others are up for it too :)

Finbar
23-05-2007, 10:04 AM
that's the one, if I can make it I'm well up for it

as for me getting ruined you only need to ask the Australians I met in Sydney last Xmas, highly embarrassing, in a casino in a terrible state, bouncers (apparently) were following me when I walked out and it was only about 10pm!! AU$600 profit so not all bad (about £25).

In my defence I was with Fredman who is a man mountain

se1eagle
23-05-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm definitely keen - Big Slick it is then!

Anyone have any interest in the Full Tilt Fantasy Poker League? It's free and pretty much like Fantasy Football except with poker - has the facility to create a league so we could even have our own BBS league...

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 10:09 AM
Not heard of it SE, but look into it, I'll do that is it just for WSOP? Ill get Cunninham in my 'squad'!

Fin, is that £250 or £25? What games do they play out there in the casinos, just the usual?

oz_da II
23-05-2007, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Fin, is that £250 or £25? What games do they play out there in the casinos, just the usual?

NLHE, Limit Omaha, Limit HE (4/8 to 8/16) and about three tournaments a week here in Adelaide. Bigger card rooms in Melbourne and Sydney. Heading to The Crown in Melbourne in a few months to check it out.

I believe fin is taking a 'pot shot' at the exchange rate of our dollar. ;)

Eagle Of Cray
23-05-2007, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I would but he's not in the country now. Poker game EOC?

I thought as he had sent you a text you could've replied anyway it matters not, he won which is the main thing.

I'd certainly be up for a live game, location permitting, I have only been playing a few weeks and so far have only played the freerolls on Ladbrokes, with very limited success. The best I have placed is 15th on sunday winning $7.70, the most pleasing thing about that was that at one stage I was last out of 3070 players I signed up there as a result of reading this thread and it now seems most people steer clear of that site.

I have so far resisted the urge to register a card with them as I feel this could be dangerous and so will be depositing and hopefully collecting through the shops.

I am waiting until the beginning of June to make my initial deposit as I want to take advantage of the maximum matched bonus and things like player points which according to them are reset to zero at the end of each month, plus the main thing of getting in more practice. I will invest in software and books people have recommended when I start playing cash games regularly but I do realise that nothing has ever been written about the next hand that I'll play.

I will post some basic 'getting started' questions soon if I may but for now thats enough of me bleating on, plus the $100 freeroll is about to start :)

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 10:24 AM
Good luck in the tourny, let us know how you get on !

se1eagle
23-05-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Not heard of it SE, but look into it, I'll do that is it just for WSOP? Ill get Cunninham in my 'squad'!


Yup - just for WSOP - it's a bit of a pain as you have to enter a team for each event in WSOP individually. If you leave some blank then it takes your last team entered and uses it for all events, but you don't really want your Holdem team used for the Razz/Omaha events..

https://contest.blastpromo.com/cgi-bin/fulltilt-wsop07/home.cgi

Eagle Of Cray
23-05-2007, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Good luck in the tourny, let us know how you get on !

:) Cheers. As an aside how your mate plays in 16 games at once is beyond me. The other day I was in 2 tournaments having registered for both an hour apart and that left me bamboozled.

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 10:30 AM
Did you see his UTUBE video? It gets much easier, trust me. 6 tables on a laptop is easy now, but that's 6 cash games, SNGs adn MTTs would be much harder I'd imagine :)

se1eagle
23-05-2007, 10:31 AM
New fantasy league created called CPFC BBS

Password is eagles

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 10:34 AM
Excellent, will have a look tomorrow and sort out a team, nice work SE1 :)

Finbar
23-05-2007, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II


I believe fin is taking a 'pot shot' at the exchange rate of our dollar. ;)

:D

... I didn't play cards, sorry for the confusion, won it in about 3 spins of the roulette wheel

Eagle Of Cray
23-05-2007, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Did you see his UTUBE video?

I did, it scared me. My main problem at the moment is not giving enough thought to what hand my opponent(s) have, I sit there with my ten high after the river and think no buggers gonna beat that ;)

Finbar
23-05-2007, 10:45 AM
when do you have to join by?

I can be the 'control', as I have very little knowledge of who's any good but happy to give it a go and choose my people at random

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 10:46 AM
:D

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 11:15 AM
Bleugh, he took £2360 and was in for £20. Lucky sod!

Eagle Of Cray
23-05-2007, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Bleugh, he took £2360 and was in for £20. Lucky sod!

A little more I think than 468th place in the $100 freeroll. Oh well I'll see how I do in the $500 that starts at 14.30.

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 11:41 AM
I think it's just 'clicked' for him since he won that 40k in 2 weeks and now, it's so positive. Hope a big score changes my game completely as well, know there is the potential to earn SERIOUS wedge online

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 11:42 AM
Did you cash EOC?

KevTheOptimist
23-05-2007, 11:53 AM
http://www.bigslick.co.uk/ourschedules.html

List of upcoming tourneys and their schedule which is the same each week.

Be warned those that are not members, you will need to request membershp online no less than 48 hours I think before you can go there so if you fancy a game there, register now so you don't have to worry about it.

I reckon the Monday or Thursday are the best nights if you all want to get there for just a normal tourney - Monday will have more runners (prob about 50-70 where weds will be more like 30-50).

Either that Or if we have enough we can request an SNG any night of the week although these can be a bit of a rip off, last time I was there they wanted £20+£5!? Only a fiver I know but still.....

STOG - you play much at the BigSlick?

Eagle Of Cray
23-05-2007, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Did you cash EOC?

That'd be a big fat no.

All I'm trying to do is get more of an idea about the game. So far I've only played 2 cash games online with the little bits I've won in the freerolls so it hasn't cost me anything as yet. I'll continue to do this at least until the end of the month just to get some practice, although I realise the game is a lot different when people are playing with their own money.

When I do make my first deposit I only intend playing the low stakes tables/tourneys initially, no matter how well or badly I do.

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 12:36 PM
Top stuff EOC, that's a good attitude to hold. Too many people go into the games playing high stakes and go busto immediately.

Kev, I play there when I can, played Thursday tourny twice, won it for £700+ once and FT of the other I think which my brother won. Play is bad but the atmosphere is good I think, do fancy meeting up for a game too mate?

KevTheOptimist
23-05-2007, 01:01 PM
Am up for a trip to the slick soon.

Am trying to stay away from all formms of gambling for the time being though so may stick my head in for a beer when you do your BBS night - the Slick is about a 5 min drive away from me.

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 01:23 PM
Geat, look forward to meeting you mate :)

KevTheOptimist
23-05-2007, 01:35 PM
I'll see if I can persuade GavTheHamster to come down too.

He's a good player when we do our home games but doesn't like the big stage - I'll see what I can do.

I also have another Palace mate that is always up for the slick so he will come.

Should get an ok number for either the tourney or SNG or both!

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Yer, a SNG would be great fun, would be a good laugh indeed! Want to try and organise something Kev?>

KevTheOptimist
23-05-2007, 01:49 PM
I don't mind setting the ball rolling but it kinda depends what would suit really. Best option may be to get there for half 6/7 on a monday night and play a SNG amonst ourselves for a laugh which would prob finish by the time the £10 tourney started?

From memory they run a 20 min clock with 1500 starting chips for the SNgs so they dont last long - they may do a longer clock if we asked for it I don't really know. Also the min SNG they offered was £20 so could be expensive to do that and a tourney in the same night but we could prob ask them to do a £10 which would be good.

This way people could come for the sit n go and if they wanted to have the choice of playing the tourney afterwards.

What do you think?

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 01:52 PM
Sounds good to me Kev, I'll play anything and go along with whatever others are happy with. It would be good if it could be done before the tourny starts as it's a long old journey for me. Maybe email Tony Haki at the BS>

KevTheOptimist
23-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Where you coming from?

Would you be giving the tourney a miss? Only annoying thing about their tourneys are the length of them - how can a 60 or 70 man tourney run into 2am?!

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 02:17 PM
I'll be coming from Cheltenham, Birmingham or Brighton so will want to tie it in with playing their tourny if that's possible. 2am seems like an OK time to finish if you make the FT, otherwise you could be out at 10pm! It's definitely worth it if your taking home a grand! Cash games are crazily good there too, from 1.2 to 2.4 I think?

CPFC987
23-05-2007, 02:25 PM
Played in a Tournament on betfair yesterday. Made it to the final table needed to get 1 more person out for some prize money. I had KK in my hand so call all in. 1 person matches me, he has A5. Flop comes out as K66, so im happy with my full house, and then 66 comes out again so he wins Ace high, and my 3 Kings mean nothing. Gutted.

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 02:26 PM
That is the sickest beat in poker, no joke.

KevTheOptimist
23-05-2007, 02:44 PM
That is the worst bit of shuffling from betfair you mean!

The dealer had just finished playing round the clock patience

SamTheOldGoat
23-05-2007, 03:06 PM
:D

Finbar
24-05-2007, 08:07 PM
In a $100 comp, 198 starters and I'm 24th of 130 left at the first break

Leader is Palaceman from London, none of you guys I assume?

Finbar
24-05-2007, 08:23 PM
just got AA against KK and it held up, now 7th out of 111 left

Finbar
24-05-2007, 10:43 PM
Finished 13th, A7 suited beaten by 9 10 suited, $200 so not too bad but a bit gutted

oz_da II
26-05-2007, 02:57 AM
Quad 7's twice in one session last night, what are the chances?
One of the hands some clown spiked an ace on the river with his pocket bullets.
Very nice. :lux:

SamTheOldGoat
26-05-2007, 08:22 AM
SHIP IT :D

Well done Fin :)

oz_da II
26-05-2007, 04:22 PM
Reviewed my play with "Big Slick". Found some interesting stats. Obviously not playing them well as I'm making almost double with AJ than I am making with AK.

34000 hands

AK = 44.75BB/100 hands (446 hands)
AQ = 55.80BB/100 hands (449 hands)
AJ = 80.22BB/100 hands (411 hands)
AT = 39.17BB/100 hands (439 hands)

Perhaps calling down too often with ace high where as I may be more inclined to chuck the others.

oz_da II
26-05-2007, 04:30 PM
Update on my battle with bet365.

bet365 - 17,540 hands = +0.36BB/100

TitanPoker - 16,519 hands = +7.13BB/100

Really can't figure it out. Only play there through curiosity and trying to beat the site at the moment. Probably not the best attitude. :clown:

saul1664
26-05-2007, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Reviewed my play with "Big Slick". Found some interesting stats. Obviously not playing them well as I'm making almost double with AJ than I am making with AK.

34000 hands

AK = 44.75BB/100 hands (446 hands)
AQ = 55.80BB/100 hands (449 hands)
AJ = 80.22BB/100 hands (411 hands)
AT = 39.17BB/100 hands (439 hands)

Perhaps calling down too often with ace high where as I may be more inclined to chuck the others.

What about QQ. And how do you play them?

se1eagle
26-05-2007, 04:52 PM
Sorry to make a whiney post but... I HATE tourneys!! Spent last night watching a load of SNG strategy videos by ActionJeff and buoyed with confidence decided to try my hand at a few as I'm usually pants and never play them...

So frustrating when you lose every first big hand you play - I can handle a bad beat if my stack can take it, but in six tourneys I've not even won a hand. One-outered on the river twice (AA vs KK vs K10, case K on the river), and the rest all as a 70%+ favourite...

My only consolation is at least they didn't happen at a cash table or I'd have lost a lot more...

oz_da II
26-05-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What about QQ. And how do you play them?

Play very aggressive, keep betting and raising, only fold if two or more players are re-raising or if one well known tight player is re-raising with A or K on the board. It's my most profitable hand at the moment, due mainly to receiving it 50 more times than both AA and KK

QQ - 146BB/100 hands (188 hands)

Won = 61.17%
Go to Showdown = 69.68%
Showdowns won = 56.47%

AA - 183BB/100 hands (133 hands)
KK - 181BB/100 hands (147 hands)

saul1664
26-05-2007, 05:40 PM
Can't win with them. Last 3 times on raggedy favourable boards have called all in with them to meet KK KK AA, maybe it's just bad luck. One other thing I need to play better is not to put powerful hands down on the river when pushed all in.

SamTheOldGoat
27-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Likewise to yours Saul, I need to shove less when holding not such a premium hand, it's too easy to shove and then re-load, which is obviously -ev. I agree about the bad luck, no doubt it will change soon mate, best of luck :)

Going to play allt he big ones today, $215 warm up, $530 sunday million and $215 second chance. Hopefully I'll be posting up later of a mega score, if anyones bored, come rail, I'll try not to play too donkish!

On another +ve note, my brother chopped first for over £600 at the Broadway in Birmingham on Wed night, that's 2 firsts and 2 seconds for over £4k in a week!

SamTheOldGoat
27-05-2007, 06:11 PM
Not a clue why I bothered to play, just got bored and donked my chips off like they were going out of fashion. Zzzzzzz

PoolKing
27-05-2007, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Going to play allt he big ones today, $215 warm up, $530 sunday million and $215 second chance.

Are all of these tournaments on Stars? I want to start playing a lot more big tournaments and at the moment I am on Bet365 mainly which has a weekly $250k Guarantee as its biggest so I am looking to change my site for tournaments at least.

Is PokerStars the best for MTTs?

Strathclyde Eagle
27-05-2007, 06:33 PM
PS is very good for MTTs IMO.

SamTheOldGoat
27-05-2007, 08:42 PM
Yes, all those are on PS, definitely the best site onthe net for MTT's :)

saul1664
27-05-2007, 09:33 PM
Not just me with QQ then ...

PokerStars Game #10134596858: Tournament #51370811, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/05/27 - 17:26:44 (ET)
Table '51370811 6' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: polyp88 (2010 in chips)
Seat 2: hog1958 (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 (1940 in chips)
Seat 4: Tweety143 (1400 in chips)
Seat 5: PHAR1 (1380 in chips)
Seat 6: dvldog24 (1180 in chips)
Seat 7: Mr Tommarp (2360 in chips)
Seat 8: porscheless (1780 in chips)
Seat 9: elee (2510 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind 10
Tweety143: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [As 9s]
PHAR1: calls 20
dvldog24: calls 20
Mr Tommarp: calls 20
porscheless: folds
elee: raises 120 to 140
polyp88: calls 140
hog1958: folds
saul1664: calls 130
Tweety143: folds
PHAR1: folds
dvldog24: calls 120
Mr Tommarp: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7d Js]
saul1664: checks
dvldog24: checks
elee: bets 580
polyp88: folds
saul1664: folds
dvldog24: raises 460 to 1040 and is all-in
elee: calls 460
*** TURN *** [Ts 7d Js] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7d Js 2c] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dvldog24: shows [Tc Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
elee: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
dvldog24 collected 2700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2700 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 7d Js 2c Jh]
Seat 1: polyp88 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: hog1958 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: saul1664 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Tweety143 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: PHAR1 folded before Flop
Seat 6: dvldog24 showed [Tc Jc] and won (2700) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
Seat 7: Mr Tommarp folded before Flop
Seat 8: porscheless folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: elee showed [Qh Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks

DANCOO
28-05-2007, 12:19 AM
At last. :lux:

Finally taken down the Laddies Omaha Hi/Lo tourney, and with the most entrants I've seen aswell (only around 95+, but it's good for the Laddies $10 r/b).

Hardly play these days as I have to be up for work during the week at around 05:00, but I've played a few of these over the last couple of weeks.

I had already bubbled and bubbled+1 this week, so it was nice to win it outright.

Usual payout is around $450, but it was over $650 tonight. :lux:

I think that puts me back into profit for '07. :p :D

SamTheOldGoat
28-05-2007, 02:07 PM
Congrats Dan :D

KevTheOptimist
28-05-2007, 03:32 PM
STOG, when is your next tourney?

KevTheOptimist
28-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Ignore me, I thought you were playing the biggies today

Eagle Of Cray
28-05-2007, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Ignore me, I thought you were playing the biggies today

No that was Derby.

Reps AJ
28-05-2007, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
No that was Derby.

You forgot your coat :)

Eagle Of Cray
28-05-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
You forgot your coat :)

:) I normally do.

DANCOO
28-05-2007, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Congrats Dan :D

In poker speak...'ty'. :D

se1eagle
28-05-2007, 09:08 PM
Congrats Dan!

Urgh, just finished 46th out of 1659 in a PokerStars $5 tournament - went out making a really bad shove with pocket 2s, don't even know why I made it but was sat next to big stack who kept reraising me and got frustrated with him. Pleased to actually get in the money, annoyed with myself to go out making such a bad play when I was in a perfectly reasonable position :(

SamTheOldGoat
28-05-2007, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
STOG, when is your next tourney?

They were yesterday dude!

KevTheOptimist
28-05-2007, 10:19 PM
Didn't cash in any?

saul1664
28-05-2007, 10:27 PM
Frustrating two and a half hours play on PS. No AA KK QQ JJ, AK once and went out to 77 which made straight against JK which completely missed. Had got up to 10K, but then moved to another table where everyone had 25K plus (never got a chance to dominate).

Also KK has been beaten by 99 3 consecutive times, with 9s on the flop each time!!!

DANCOO
28-05-2007, 11:44 PM
Sick.

Hi/Lo tourney, I'm massive chip leader, 8 players left.

Got re-raised all-in by some muppet with a similar hand to mine, when I was trying to isolate and get a shortstack out...double the twat up.

Was strolling to the win, not now. :(

DANCOO
28-05-2007, 11:49 PM
Went out in 7th.

Why can't some people appreciate what is going on around the ••••••• table and play accordingly!

SamTheOldGoat
29-05-2007, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Didn't cash in any?

Only played warm up in the end, up the top I said 'Not a clue why I bothered to play, just got bored and donked my chips off like they were going out of fashion. Zzzzzzz'

I was just frustrated and trying to 9 table 1-2, not concentrating on the tournies. Had an essay in today so didn't fancy the late night either, but next week I'll try and sort my life out with playing them all!

Had a really good week multing 1-2 and playing £20r tonight at Broadway, so hopefully I'll have some good news :)

SamTheOldGoat
29-05-2007, 10:56 AM
How are everyones goals going? Pretty sure that at the beginning of the year, people mentioned their aims for the year pokerwise. Any updates on these>?

DANCOO
29-05-2007, 11:04 AM
Don't think I had any goals, maybe I'm mistaken.

As of 1st August my office moves to a LOT closer to me than it currently is, meaning I won't have to be too concerned with getting an early night like I currently have to do - at the moment I can only really play tournies on Fridays/Saturdays.
Hopefully then, I will be able to contribute a bit more to this thread.

I'm going to really restrict my cash play, and concentrate on tournies - mostly Hi/Lo, but will chuck a few hold'em ones I there for good measure also.

My aim is to stay in profit for the year as at the moment I am treating it more as a hobby than a serious income provider.

SamTheOldGoat
29-05-2007, 11:08 AM
Are there many h/l tournies on Laddies?

SamTheOldGoat
29-05-2007, 11:08 AM
also many rebuys?

KevTheOptimist
29-05-2007, 11:12 AM
Have played very little poker of late. I want to play tournies only but as Dan says, they are very time consuming and so can only really play 1 or 2 a week. Tournies are the best strategy for me a) I'm good at them and play better and enjoy them more and b) they have a fixed loss.

Instead of which I play on cash tables just because of convenience and end up losing.

I can't mix up my play enough in a cash game, every time I try a few moves etc, they don't come off, I've said before I must be the easiest player online for other people to read.

So, my goals at the start of the year were probably to make good profit on small stakres cash with the odd tourney. At the moment I'm down comfortably having got bored at small stakes and lost at the bigger stakes! And have hardly played a tournament! So not going well!

oz_da II
29-05-2007, 11:13 AM
Didn't set any major goals, just to improve my all round game.

Moving up stakes and increasing my multi-tabling skills at a reasonable rate (haven't gone higher than four tables), play cash games only online. Currently +4BB/100 hands (play limit, enjoy it more than NL) which I'm happy with.

Play a weekly tournament at the cricket club and finished top of the leaderboard in that (over a 12 month period), pleased with that as well, there's five players out of about a dozen who know what they are doing, the rest are "dead money".

Haven't been to the cas for awhile, plan on attacking that again, soon.

Still considering taking on Omaha H/L some time in the near future.

oz_da II
29-05-2007, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Instead of which I play on cash tables just because of convenience and end up losing.

I can't mix up my play enough in a cash game, every time I try a few moves etc, they don't come off, I've said before I must be the easiest player online for other people to read.


A bit of friendly advice regarding cash games, if you're playing low-small stakes (i'm assuming, like myself) don't make any fancy moves, just play patiently wait for the hands and value bet until you can't value bet no more. ;) If you get bored waiting for good hands try multi-tabling.

The only moves I do are to steal from the blinds when on the button with no limpers, fold to any major fight back. They very rarely seem to notice...

SamTheOldGoat
29-05-2007, 11:28 AM
That's my approach. Just recently been doing 9 tables on my laptop and literally playing good hands, suited connectors and limping with pairs 88 and lower generally. I've only been playing maybe a hour a day for the last 9 days and about £1k positive from 1-2. This could be my positive variance returning so not getting too excited after it dropped massively at one point!

Kev, have you tried playing more than one table? Wasn't it you that kept to strict BR management rules and went UP in your BR then gotbored?

KevTheOptimist
29-05-2007, 11:59 AM
That was I!

Mate, I like playing low limit and I also liked multitabling but there are only a few sites that are any good multi - Part poker and Poker stars IMO

I cannot win for toffee on stars cash - tournies yeah but cash no chance, lose to stupid cards all the time.

You're right though, I do get very bored and so try to make things happen when really I should just wait for premium hands. Thing is as most of the play is quite bad at that level, most will call you down with a pair of 6's so I should just get out of hands when people have fought back.

An example of the type of moves I tried recently. Folded to me on the button so I raise with like 5 7 suited. Called by both(sh1t), flop 5 9 2 rags, I bet strongly and am called by both(double sh1t). Turn Q checked round, river 3 checked round. Showdown and I lose an alright pot to the BB holding 9 4 off. Just annoying to lose those type of hands all the time.

Similar example of when am holdong AK, miss the flop so continuation bet, then check to river and losr to like a pair of 4's etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

DANCOO
29-05-2007, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Are there many h/l tournies on Laddies?

In short...no.

In the evening, there is a $1k GTD $10 rebuy, which on average gets around 65/70 players, with the money usually reaching around $1.5k

I know most of the players on Laddies Hi/Lo, so quite like it. In my last four Hi/Lo on Laddies I've bubbled+1, bubbled, 7th, 1st - so I'm always there or there abouts.

I plan though to reload at Stars at some point and play their $5 rebuy and $20 rebuy aswell.

Finbar
29-05-2007, 01:02 PM
what does bubble mean?

ozeagle
29-05-2007, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II

Haven't been to the cas for awhile, plan on attacking that again, soon.


:eek:

SamTheOldGoat
29-05-2007, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
what does bubble mean?

Just before the money, so if you finish on the bubble you may come 11th/12th with 10 paid :0

Finbar
29-05-2007, 01:21 PM
aah, yes I am very very familiar with that then, cheers!

oz_da II
29-05-2007, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by ozeagle
:eek:

They better be ready. :lux:

You staking me at the Crown? :hi:

grey ghost
30-05-2007, 07:03 AM
how would you fellahs rate pokerstars against ladbrookes for variety of nl he tourneys and sngs , which is better in terms of quality of play , speed , amount of people playing ?
i only play ladbrookes at moment now and again in my evening time ( about 3 or 4 pm uk time ) and i am often waiting ages for a 10 man sng to fill up on 20 to 50 $ .
cos of the time only really get involved in the mtt at w/e s , and even then the only worthwhile mtts see me finishing at 4 am if i get through to the final table and its never really worth me entering satellites .

alternatively anyone know any sites predominantly used by those in the asian time zone ?

oz_da II
30-05-2007, 07:15 AM
PokerStars is currently the largest poker site on the net, so I dare say it will have many more players than Ladbrokes. Read somewhere that PokerStars had over 100,000 players playing online at the same time, that might have had something to do with the 6 figure prize they were offering for winning PokerStar's 10 billionth hand.

KevTheOptimist
30-05-2007, 07:27 AM
Pokerstars is excellent for variety of games and number of playerrs. It is head and shoulders above any other site I've playeed on.

I played some PKR.com the other night. I quite liked the set up with characters and all that, but the novelty soon wore off and the fact that my computer pretty much had to shut down in order to concentrate on running pkr puts me off as well!

Reps AJ
30-05-2007, 07:22 PM
Been playing a bit of pl Omaha for some variety and twice today I got beat by quads on the river when I was holding the nuts otherwise :sob:

SamTheOldGoat
30-05-2007, 09:26 PM
At present there are 80k players online right now!

grey ghost
31-05-2007, 01:50 AM
thanks will giev pokerstars a bash .

KevTheOptimist
31-05-2007, 11:58 PM
Just finishing a session of razz. what a quality game - love it. seem to have a good idea of when im winning or losing and the limit stakes are helping too. nice

saul1664
01-06-2007, 12:52 AM
Went out mid division in omaha H/L tourney despite good start, not my strongest game yet, but surreally won a $20 9 player sit and go on PS from a $275 short stack, meant to push all in on Q6 suited, but got disconnected, then saw 88 in front of me, pushed all in, held up. Next hand 99, again all in against AK and held up again. In fact I don't think I have seen so many hands actually hold up. It was like anti-rivering.

SamTheOldGoat
01-06-2007, 10:43 AM
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Medium stake games on PS are sooooooooooo soft. If you don't get fancy and play pretty ABC poker there is a LOADDDDDDD of money to be made!

saul1664
01-06-2007, 11:58 AM
what do you call medium stake games? cash? s&g? Look out for "nealster" on 0.25/0.50$ cash games, don't think I have ever come across a poorer poker player, donated $80 in about 5 minutes to me and kept reloading, pushed me all in when I had trip 8's on 8 Q 4 board and then flipped over 89.

Gav The Hamster
01-06-2007, 12:08 PM
I would suggest by medium STOG is talking 1/2 or 2/4 cash

Gav The Hamster
01-06-2007, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Just finishing a session of razz.

is that a porno mag ?

Strathclyde Eagle
01-06-2007, 12:28 PM
7-card stud lo isn't it?

KevTheOptimist
01-06-2007, 01:57 PM
Basically 7 card lo.

Makes you think a lot though about your holding. I basically turned it on late last night, and called a few hands down thinking I was playing high! Ended up calling a couple of bluffs and winning before I realised I was playing lo!

Then looked up the rules and started to play better and did quite well. Plus I think everyone thought I was easy money after the first few hands but came good in the end!

se1eagle
01-06-2007, 04:39 PM
I've played a bit of Razz and it's good fun but the variance is truly sick, even worse than Holdem. Thankfully that is somewhat countered by the fact that most people at the low limits don't seem to have a clue how to play and call you down when you can see from their upcards that you have them beat!

SamTheOldGoat
01-06-2007, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
I would suggest by medium STOG is talking 1/2 or 2/4 cash

Yer, 1/2 and 2/4. Love Razz as well, GREAT GAME!

KevTheOptimist
01-06-2007, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I've played a bit of Razz and it's good fun but the variance is truly sick, even worse than Holdem. Thankfully that is somewhat countered by the fact that most people at the low limits don't seem to have a clue how to play and call you down when you can see from their upcards that you have them beat!

Bit like 5 card then.

DANCOO
01-06-2007, 07:47 PM
Anyone know how to change the time on PS to GMT?

SamTheOldGoat
01-06-2007, 09:02 PM
Nope?!

saul1664
02-06-2007, 12:40 AM
Just had my stack decimated on PS. JJ finds non threatening flop of 8 5 7 rainbow (apart from straight though unlikely). Push hard on flop and end up dominated by 22 which hits turn 2 river 2. Same thing happens three hands later when 10 turn 10 river makes a full house against my trips. Then in a heads up tourney (4 players winner takes all). I have him down to last $570 call him with J9, he has A2 (fair enough he is marginally ahead). 2 on flop, J on turn puts me in the driving seat only for a 2 to come on the river, he comes back and beats me and I'm left with nothing. Frustrating.

calne eagle
02-06-2007, 01:22 AM
My sympathies, Saul.

I almost followed your jargon right the way through there.

SamTheOldGoat
02-06-2007, 12:39 PM
Why were you calling all in with J9?

SamTheOldGoat
02-06-2007, 06:19 PM
I can't fathom out why you would call an all in regardless with J9 unless blinds were silly high?

Anyway, here's MUCKEMSAYUHH off FTP. This is his NLHE graph for the month of May. He's one of the CARDRUNNERS so if that's not good enough to reason to join up, I'm not sure what is

Truely sik

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9519/maygraphsw6.jpg

saul1664
02-06-2007, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Why were you calling all in with J9?

200/400, he had 475 left

saul1664
02-06-2007, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by calne eagle
My sympathies, Saul.

I almost followed your jargon right the way through there.

I can get more jargonesqik if you like.

SamTheOldGoat
02-06-2007, 08:24 PM
Ahh, Ok I see :)

Ship the royal flush. Second so far, was 8 tabling 1/2 and didn't realise I was so low on chips, would have topped up had I realised! BOOOO

Forgotten pokerhand passwod so if anyone can upload it would be great :) Ended up +$700 after 1hr of playing VERY tight

*********** # 54 **************
PokerStars Game #10235331479: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/06/02 - 16:04:14 (ET)
Table 'Goberta' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Yesbo ($95.25 in chips)
Seat 2: NiceHitFish© ($19 in chips)
Seat 3: richhamm ($114.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Eeman2004 ($233.85 in chips)
Seat 5: CYE-kling ($75 in chips)
Seat 6: j1n8025 ($198 in chips)
Seat 7: JABBATHEHUT ($180.85 in chips)
Seat 8: SeBrun ($103 in chips)
Seat 9: berggren ($298.45 in chips)
berggren: posts small blind $1
Yesbo: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NiceHitFish© [Qs Ks]
NiceHitFish©: calls $2
richhamm: folds
Eeman2004: folds
CYE-kling: raises $6 to $8
j1n8025: folds
JABBATHEHUT: calls $8
SeBrun: folds
berggren: folds
Yesbo: folds
NiceHitFish©: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Js Ts 9d]
NiceHitFish©: bets $11 and is all-in
CYE-kling: calls $11
JABBATHEHUT: calls $11
*** TURN *** [Js Ts 9d] [As]
CYE-kling: bets $30
JABBATHEHUT: folds
*** RIVER *** [Js Ts 9d As] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NiceHitFish©: shows [Qs Ks] (a Royal Flush)
CYE-kling: mucks hand
NiceHitFish© collected $57.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60 | Rake $2.90
Board [Js Ts 9d As 4s]
Seat 1: Yesbo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: NiceHitFish© showed [Qs Ks] and won ($57.10) with a Royal Flush
Seat 3: richhamm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Eeman2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CYE-kling mucked [Jc Jh]
Seat 6: j1n8025 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: JABBATHEHUT folded on the Turn
Seat 8: SeBrun (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: berggren (small blind) folded before Flop

KevTheOptimist
03-06-2007, 10:47 AM
Sam, what is that graph? Who is it etc.....

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 01:34 PM
It's the graph of NLHE of MUCKEMSAYUHHH off of FTP Kev.

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 01:59 PM
He's one of the cardrunner members Kev

I'm not joking. WTF is TIlly doing here? Haven't heard commentry but is this the worst poker you've ever seen?

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 02:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6wAHTWeEA

Gav The Hamster
03-06-2007, 02:18 PM
thats one way to make your fh pay !

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 04:22 PM
Yup, plain HORRIBLE!

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 06:38 PM
Great call by my brother in $215 Sunday Warm up just now, HH below and he's in top 100 now. This is the one he chopped for $35k! TWO TIMES LEON!

PokerStars Game #10251182718: Tournament #51167608, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (400/800) - 2007/06/03 - 14:28:32 (ET)
Table '51167608 123' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: bigdonk409 (35798 in chips)
Seat 2: queen_v1 (13050 in chips)
Seat 3: ctpkr (21000 in chips)
Seat 4: FUNKGOD (16801 in chips)
Seat 5: /-/4rris (20200 in chips)
Seat 6: LowVision (33732 in chips)
Seat 7: pkwo (34498 in chips)
Seat 8: HighNetWorth (23264 in chips)
Seat 9: Isorn (21853 in chips)
FUNKGOD: posts small blind 400
/-/4rris: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
LowVision: folds
pkwo: calls 800
HighNetWorth: folds
Isorn: folds
bigdonk409: calls 800
queen_v1: folds
ctpkr: folds
FUNKGOD: folds
/-/4rris: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s Js 8c]
/-/4rris: checks
pkwo: checks
bigdonk409: bets 2400
/-/4rris: raises 2400 to 4800
pkwo: folds
bigdonk409: calls 2400
*** TURN *** [2s Js 8c] [Kd]
/-/4rris: checks
bigdonk409: checks
*** RIVER *** [2s Js 8c Kd] [5c]
/-/4rris: checks
bigdonk409: bets 4000
/-/4rris: calls 4000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigdonk409: shows [7s Ts] (high card King)
/-/4rris: shows [3c 8d] (a pair of Eights)
/-/4rris collected 20400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20400 | Rake 0
Board [2s Js 8c Kd 5c]
Seat 1: bigdonk409 showed [7s Ts] and lost with high card King
Seat 2: queen_v1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ctpkr (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: FUNKGOD (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: /-/4rris (big blind) showed [3c 8d] and won (20400) with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: LowVision folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: pkwo folded on the Flop
Seat 8: HighNetWorth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Isorn folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ifill Good
03-06-2007, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6wAHTWeEA

Ivey's face is priceless!

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 06:56 PM
:D

Not suprised, mine would look exactly the same! Jeeeeeeeeeeeez it's SO bad

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Again, haven't heard the commentary but someone mentioned she said she was scared of kings! LOL

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 07:46 PM
He's 40/378 out of 2000 starters now.

DANCOO
03-06-2007, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6wAHTWeEA

I'm embarrassed for Phil Laak, terrible.

SamTheOldGoat
03-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Into 45th place and cashed. Will let you know how he gets on, plkaying a great game so far.

SamTheOldGoat
04-06-2007, 12:02 PM
Boring, went out in 125th or something or $600 :(

Gav The Hamster
04-06-2007, 12:07 PM
anyone interested in starting up a $10/$20 sit n go sometime soon ?

Kev said he would set it up if we get sufficient numbers.

SamTheOldGoat
04-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Tried this before, managed to get 11 runner or something but ballsed up with starting it up and we played PLHE. I have the feature on Stars (think you have to be Platinum status) so if your up for it Gav and others are up for it, I'll sort. When's best for you mate?

SamTheOldGoat
04-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Also now you can deposit only $10 on stars so perfect for one of these games. You used to be able to deposit $50 min!

Gav The Hamster
04-06-2007, 02:53 PM
I can generally do most nights (with a bit of warning so the missus dont moan!) and play mainly on Laddies but have accounts everywhere so where we play is not an issue.

Think Wednesday is a bad night for Kev. How about Thursday ? Assuming we have enough numbers that is!

SamTheOldGoat
04-06-2007, 03:11 PM
Even if it's three/five handed will still be fun!

KevTheOptimist
04-06-2007, 03:22 PM
I'm live-o.

Same as Gav, bit of notice required but other than that I'll be about for an hour to play any night.

Weds no good, best night for me is Monday.

If you play late at night then midnight start any night of the week is good for me!

Gav The Hamster
04-06-2007, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
midnight start any night of the week is good for me!

is that after you've 'sedated' the missus ?!

:p

KevTheOptimist
04-06-2007, 03:48 PM
Yes, a bit of Rohipnol never hurt anyone.

SamTheOldGoat
04-06-2007, 03:57 PM
Cool cool :0

oz_da II
04-06-2007, 06:33 PM
Here's one to laugh at:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1145966 (formatting is a bit rubbish)

One of those idiots who plays every hand and calls down to the river, I called the river to see what garbage they had.

Played 900 hands tonight for a measly $30 profit, too many ridiculous bad beats to speak off, was almost enjoying the silly bad beats more than the easy wins... :moo:

I'll paste that comical hand here as well:

Starting a new hand (#567580690)
Texas Holdem Limit $0.25/$0.50 - 2007-06-04 18:44:38 Server
Table Peru�
Seat 1: Cakirim ( $3.40 )
Seat 3: Beloyd ( $49.30 )
Seat 5: THECORPSE ( $17.12 )
Seat 6: Luggi2 ( $9.06 )
Seat 8: karssito ( $11.70 )
Seat 10: zuti88 ( $5 )

Beloyd posts Small Blind $0.10
THECORPSE posts Big Blind $0.25
zuti88 posts Big Blind $0.25
Dealing cards
Your cards Ad Ac [THECORPSE]
Luggi2 calls $0.25
karssito raises $0.50
zuti88 folds
Cakirim calls $0.50
Beloyd folds
THECORPSE raises $0.50
Luggi2 folds
karssito calls $0.25
Cakirim calls $0.25

Dealing Flop Jd 3s Ts
THECORPSE bets $0.25
karssito calls $0.25
Cakirim calls $0.25

Dealing Turn Jd 3s Ts 7s
THECORPSE bets $0.50
karssito calls $0.50
Cakirim calls $0.50

Dealing River Jd 3s Ts 7s 8s
THECORPSE bets $0.50
karssito raises $1
Cakirim folds
THECORPSE calls $0.50
karssito shows 8h 8c
Winner is karssito $6.75

Gav The Hamster
04-06-2007, 06:51 PM
you raise pre flop, he can easily put you on AK AQ etc...

J high flop not like you can bet him out of it at limit can you which is why i dont play it.

Do you not find limit at those stakes a little mind numbing Oz ?

oz_da II
04-06-2007, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
you raise pre flop, he can easily put you on AK AQ etc...

J high flop not like you can bet him out of it at limit can you which is why i dont play it.

Do you not find limit at those stakes a little mind numbing Oz ?

Nah, that player wouldn't be thinking what I have, they wouldn't have a clue what I have as they cold call all my raises and consistently donate, hence I've got him/her "flagged". Just hoping to hit an eight.

Not too mind numbing, listen to tunes, play four tables and play basic tight, nothing special poker. Bankroll is increasing at a nice rate.

oz_da II
04-06-2007, 07:13 PM
No need to bet them out of it when they make silly chases.
Keep them along for the ride. Too easy.

saul1664
04-06-2007, 07:42 PM
Had a nice one last night. QA suited. Raise 4 x BB (in position as well), flop brings two diamonds and straight draw. Short handed so only two callers, they call 6 x BB on turn, pot about $12 at this stage so easy to call with my outs, hit the straight on the river. They both raise to $6 to go with me to act last. Have to double check the board, no flush, no straight, no full, re-raise all in, both call, and I get $86 on one hand, got up to $165 from $25 buy-in, though wasn't overly impressed when short stack called me all in pre-flop when I was holding Aces, no other callers and his 27 offsuit hits two pair. Doh.

Billyd
05-06-2007, 02:41 AM
what does everyone think of this hand? just went out very late in a tourney still cashed but could and should have been more:

Seat 2: Mingdu (130469 in chips)
Seat 3: ontilt013 (55939 in chips)
Seat 4: calpone (43560 in chips)
Seat 5: MpRock (115156 in chips)
Seat 6: Joe1734 (57900 in chips)
Seat 7: JohnnyBelow (34256 in chips)
Seat 8: Minetolose (25764 in chips)
Seat 9: billyd77 (43755 in chips)
Mingdu: posts the ante 100
ontilt013: posts the ante 100
calpone: posts the ante 100
MpRock: posts the ante 100
Joe1734: posts the ante 100
JohnnyBelow: posts the ante 100
Minetolose: posts the ante 100
billyd77: posts the ante 100
billyd77: posts small blind 1000
Mingdu: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Td As]
ontilt013: folds
calpone: folds
MpRock: folds
Joe1734: folds
JohnnyBelow: folds
Minetolose: folds
billyd77: raises 4000 to 6000
Mingdu: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [4c 8h 8d]
billyd77: bets 7000
Mingdu: raises 13000 to 20000
billyd77: raises 17655 to 37655 and is all-in
Mingdu: calls 17655
*** TURN *** [4c 8h 8d] [Qh]
SEETEUFEL77 is connected
*** RIVER *** [4c 8h 8d Qh] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyd77: shows [Td As] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
Mingdu: shows [Ks Qc] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
billyd77 said, "awful call"
billyd77 said, "ur ****"
Mingdu collected 88110 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 88110 | Rake 0
Board [4c 8h 8d Qh 4d]
Seat 2: Mingdu (big blind) showed [Ks Qc] and won (88110) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 3: ontilt013 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: calpone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MpRock folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Joe1734 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: JohnnyBelow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Minetolose (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: billyd77 (small blind) showed [Td As] and lost with two pair, Eights and Fours

oz_da II
05-06-2007, 03:04 AM
Not knowing any previous history on "ur shit" mate. :moo:

I would:

Raise more pre-flop, slow down after post flop resistance. Fire once and
probably fold to the all in, we still have 15 BB's, no need to panic? Not sure about blinds going up...
Looks like he had plenty of chips and wanted to gamble.
As it goes you were unlucky, went out in style though. :D

bunghole
05-06-2007, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Not too mind numbing, listen to tunes, play four tables and play basic tight, nothing special poker. Bankroll is increasing at a nice rate.

It'll be decreasing quicker than the Barry Crocker's win rate under Clownolly, once you come up against yours truly in Melb. ;)

Played my 1st ever game on the weekend and despite being 'fatigued' and playing blokes who've played a bit before, I managed to towel them up 3 times from 3.

Almost too easy. :D :lux:

oz_da II
05-06-2007, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by bunghole
It'll be decreasing quicker than the Barry Crocker's win rate under Clownolly, once you come up against yours truly in Melb. ;)

Played my 1st ever game on the weekend and despite being 'fatigued' and playing blokes who've played a bit before, I managed to towel them up 3 times from 3.

Almost too easy. :D :lux:

Define "a bit", bung. :moo:

Anyways, well done, beers on me after our session at the Crown.
Word has it a certain Crows fantatical buffoon will be staking yours truly at the table. A very fair win precentage return will be negotiated. ;)
The Vics will never know what hit them. :D

bunghole
05-06-2007, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Define "a bit", bung. :moo:

Anyways, well done, beers on me after our session at the Crown.
Word has it a certain Crows fantatical buffoon will be staking yours truly at the table. A very fair win precentage return will be negotiated. ;)
The Vics will never know what hit them. :D

Fredman's played at various casinos, Selhurst Flyer plays with mates, Late Mail (Oz's bro) has played before. Either they're all poo, or I've got talent, as it was pretty easy taking their matches off them. ;) :D

As for Oz, he might as well give you the money now as he's woeful. :D

Gav The Hamster
05-06-2007, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
what does everyone think of this hand? just went out very late in a tourney still cashed but could and should have been more:


He could easily put you on trying to steal his big blind with nothing with the raise pre flop. Then pretty obvious with that flop that both of you would miss and your just betting to represent a hand.

Once he raised you on the flop he was pot committed so he has to call.

You got your money in with the best hand, and beats like that happen. Over the long run you'll win more of those hands than you lose.

KevTheOptimist
05-06-2007, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
You got your money in with the best hand, and beats like that happen. Over the long run you'll win more of those hands than you lose.

I struggle to see how you will win more hands than you lose going all in with A high on the flop.

Having read through the action, I'd have put him on maybe a small PP, maybe spiked a 4, may even have spiked an 8 or may have had Ax. Either way you should've layed down after your 7k bet got re raised. I can understand not wanting to be bullied but you had to be thinking you were losing at that point and having stuck 13k into the pot, you wewre not commited I don't think.

Gav The Hamster
05-06-2007, 10:29 AM
I didnt say going in with A high will win the pot mopre times than it loses num nuts.

I said getting your money in with the best hand will mean you win over the long run.

And why do you think he should have laid down the hand when he was a big big fav ?

Gav The Hamster
05-06-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Having read through the action, I'd have put him on maybe a small PP, maybe spiked a 4, may even have spiked an 8 or may have had Ax.

lol. so basically you would have read him completely wrong :clown:

KevTheOptimist
05-06-2007, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
lol. so basically you would have read him completely wrong :clown:

Yep, would have read him completely wrong, and would have still been in the tourney!

Not saying Billys play was bad - a great read in fact - but for me, putting my tourney life on the line with a very weak holding of A 10 in the face of plenty of resistance when not pot commited is not what i would have done.

Billyd
05-06-2007, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I struggle to see how you will win more hands than you lose going all in with A high on the flop.

Having read through the action, I'd have put him on maybe a small PP, maybe spiked a 4, may even have spiked an 8 or may have had Ax. Either way you should've layed down after your 7k bet got re raised. I can understand not wanting to be bullied but you had to be thinking you were losing at that point and having stuck 13k into the pot, you wewre not commited I don't think.

I don mean to have a go or boast at all here kev but i completely played the hand right. just wanted to see peoples reaction.

Say he has ace 8 or any 8 for that matter. Why would he reraise me so much? he obviously has by far the best hand and can quite easily slow play me esp as the flop clearly hasnt hit me?

If he had an over pair, or even ace jack, ace queen or ace king he would have raised pre flop. as he prob would have done with any pocket pair.

For these reasons i thought my ace 10 was good and i was right. I though his only possible holding that was beating me could have been ace 4 i was prepared to gamble he wasnt and i was right.

When playing hands take your time and consider exactly what your oppenent has. think to your self, would he call with that? why would he raise now? etc

se1eagle
05-06-2007, 10:48 AM
The guy posts on twoplustwo.com - signup and give him hell! ;)

KevTheOptimist
05-06-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
I don mean to have a go or boast at all here kev but i completely played the hand right. just wanted to see peoples reaction.

Say he has ace 8 or any 8 for that matter. Why would he reraise me so much? he obviously has by far the best hand and can quite easily slow play me esp as the flop clearly hasnt hit me?

If he had an over pair, or even ace jack, ace queen or ace king he would have raised pre flop. as he prob would have done with any pocket pair.

For these reasons i thought my ace 10 was good and i was right. I though his only possible holding that was beating me could have been ace 4 i was prepared to gamble he wasnt and i was right.

When playing hands take your time and consider exactly what your oppenent has. think to your self, would he call with that? why would he raise now? etc

Totally agree, your play was v good, not a problem with what you did whatsoever. Personally though (and maybe this is due to my poker paranoia) I just know he would;ve turned over 4 2 off or shomething like that.

And I agree with all your analysis above except for the comment:

"Say he has ace 8 or any 8 for that matter. Why would he reraise me so much? he obviously has by far the best hand and can quite easily slow play me esp as the flop clearly hasnt hit me?"

I don't think re raising there with an 8 in the hand is a bad play, exactly because you're gonna put me on a bluff.

se1eagle
05-06-2007, 10:58 AM
If Mingdu had shoved his reraise on the flop, I take it you would have to fold?

Billyd
05-06-2007, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist


I don't think re raising there with an 8 in the hand is a bad play, exactly because you're gonna put me on a bluff.


yeah maybe. but the size of the reraise meant he would could prob be pot committed. which looked like a scare reraise that he wanted me out the pot. something you definetely dont want to with 3 8's in your hand against me.

Had he flat called my raise after the flop he would have me alot more suspisious. and he could have prob won the hand on 4th or 5th street with a smaller bet.

Billyd
05-06-2007, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
If Mingdu had shoved his reraise on the flop, I take it you would have to fold?


more than likely but not 100% sure i def would. i would have prob put him on 5's or 6's in that case but at the same time wonderd why he didnt re raise me pre flop

KevTheOptimist
05-06-2007, 11:17 AM
I swear on that exact same board and action, if it was me, he would have flipped KK and I'd have sat back, looked at the action and gone - oh yeah, how did I not put him on that!

Finbar
05-06-2007, 12:08 PM
off on hols in a few weeks and starting to think about books to buy, have just bought Big Deal and Bigger Deal by Anthony Holden, anyone read either of them?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bigger-Deal-Year-Poker-Circuit/dp/0316730777/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-0081666-4642816?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181044481&sr=8-1

Any other good books out there? More interested in anecdotal books rather than books on poker theory

This one looks good

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professor-Banker-Suicide-King-Richest/dp/0446694975/ref=sr_1_17/026-0081666-4642816?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181044808&sr=1-17

and can get this one for under £4
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Holdem-Wisdom-Players-Daniel-Negreanu/dp/1580422101/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-0081666-4642816?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181045168&sr=8-1

SamTheOldGoat
05-06-2007, 01:30 PM
You read Harringtons and Brunsons?

Finbar
05-06-2007, 01:41 PM
no, are they not more theory based and more relevant to live play rather than internet? Which is better of the two?

This one looks good
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0818406615/ref=pd_luc_mri/026-0081666-4642816?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

Billyd
05-06-2007, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
You read Harringtons and Brunsons?

read pretty much all of them. most usefull i have found is harringtons second book made me realise alot of stuff. also i find reading good books twice through a good idea.

i didnt really like brunsons. hes seems to only be able to do what he does based on his reputation.

Finbar
05-06-2007, 02:48 PM
Cheers Billyd, what's good for online players and what about Vorhaus, ever read his?

Billyd
05-06-2007, 04:47 PM
i mainly play online anyway. so i think harringtons is probably best overall. never read vorhaus sorry. do you ever play in the card room in reigate?

Reps AJ
05-06-2007, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
I don mean to have a go or boast at all here kev but i completely played the hand right. just wanted to see peoples reaction.

....

When playing hands take your time and consider exactly what your oppenent has. think to your self, would he call with that? why would he raise now? etc

I'd probably have folded to the re-raise on the basis that your whole tournament is at stake by going all-in - he has you covered easily and its a relatively small call for him to make, even as a gamble. Sometimes its not about winning the hand.. but then what do I know! :cool:

Finbar
06-06-2007, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
i mainly play online anyway. so i think harringtons is probably best overall. never read vorhaus sorry. do you ever play in the card room in reigate?

Have been there once, as discussed on here it seemed a bit clicky, plus I was rubbish but will hopefully go back later in the year. You go regularly?

GeeTee
06-06-2007, 10:05 AM
Hello all,

I'm a longtime lurker on this thread - first time poster.

I've been playing poker in home games with friends for about 4 years now, but have just started playing online back in January.

I play microstakes and freerolls and have built a little bankroll on PartyPoker, Paddy Power Poker and Sky Poker. I've also got a free $50 start up going through with Absolute at present.

Anyway, last night I was playing the Maxim King of Poker freeroll on Bet Fair and placed 16th from a field of 711. It's my best finish since winning $50 in the Paddy Power Easter Monday $5k freeroll - where I came 13th of 1000.

It's very frustrating not to have made a final table, despite coming so close, and I'd like your opinion on my exit last night (well, advice really as I kind of know what your opinion will be!).

I was playing tight agressive and the table were respecting that image - mainly folding to my raises.

My nemesis had survived a showdown with me when he had 13,000 chips to my 60,000 and I called his all-in with A9 suited. His o/s QK made a gutshot straight on the river to double him up and keep him alive.

20 minutes later I have 55,000 in chips and he has built up to 53,000. Blinds are 1,500/3,000 and he bets 13,000 from early position. I'm the big blind looking down at pocket queens.

I went to re-raise to 26,000 but something made me go all-in. He'd been all-in with any two face cards, ace rag, and very low pairs before - that must have been in my mind.

He had Kings and it was goodnight Vienna, six places from the money.

Where I think I went wrong is to forget that his recent increase in chips may have changed his hand selection. My take is that had I re-raised I could/should then have got out to a further re-raise and still been alive.

Does that sum it up?

Billyd
06-06-2007, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Finbar
Have been there once, as discussed on here it seemed a bit clicky, plus I was rubbish but will hopefully go back later in the year. You go regularly?


been a couple of times but a few of mates go regularly

SamTheOldGoat
06-06-2007, 02:42 PM
Reigates OK imo, as mentioned WAY too clicky and definite collusion from what I've seen. Played the £300 FO there and some £10/£20 rebuys. The plays SHOCKING

Welcome GeeTee to this thread. I'm never passing there :)

GeeTee
06-06-2007, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Welcome GeeTee to this thread. I'm never passing there :)

Thank you Sam. Knowing what a good player you are, I'll take heart from that.

DANCOO
06-06-2007, 03:18 PM
Whoever was going to sort out a BBS online game, count me in (although a lot will depend on when/time). :p

Gav The Hamster
06-06-2007, 03:20 PM
I would never pass QQ pre flop. A raise and re-raise may make me question it a little more depending on previous player knowledge but its too big to lay down.