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Billyd
26-07-2007, 12:36 AM
that hand i posted is worst bad beat ive ever seen, happened earlier

PoolKing
26-07-2007, 12:40 AM
Did he get the bad beat jackpot, I know many sites offer the bad beat jackpot to players that lose with 4 8s or better?

samtheeagle
26-07-2007, 12:52 AM
Are people up for a game sometime this week?

oz_da II
26-07-2007, 01:20 AM
I've lost with quad 8's before, I think it's posted on here somewhere.

I see bet365 (Prima) have new software, still no option to reduce table size though, at least not that I can see.

gjtango
26-07-2007, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Are people up for a game sometime this week?

I'm interested.

SamTheOldGoat
26-07-2007, 01:52 AM
Chip leader of 15k guarantee on Prima now heading towards the bubble, had a week off as been away but back into it, will be playing in a casino every night for 2 weeks and all day online! See you at the tables chaps :D

Promise I'll organise a private tourny on Stars tomorrow, sorry about the poor effort last few weeks.

Assume that bad beat shown wasn't on a bad beat table, otherwise it's probably pay day for you too Billy! Haven't read all the posts or your thought process but how come you shoved with KQ utg with what seemed like an OK stack Billy?

oz_da II
26-07-2007, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Haven't read all the posts or your thought process but how come you shoved with KQ utg with what seemed like an OK stack Billy?

Yeah, I don't get that play, best we're hoping for is to pick up the blinds, anyone calls us we're most likely dominated. Seemed to be plenty of play left as well. What makes it worse is that he says they are all rubbish players, so why are we risking our whole stack with a marginal hand when we can probably out play them later?

Billyd
26-07-2007, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Yeah, I don't get that play, best we're hoping for is to pick up the blinds, anyone calls us we're most likely dominated. Seemed to be plenty of play left as well. What makes it worse is that he says they are all rubbish players, so why are we risking our whole stack with a marginal hand when we can probably out play them later?

yeap dont get me wrong i played it wrong. i just wanted to make a move while i stil had some chips. After the blinds gone past thats a quater of my stack gone.


Other than that i like to risk my chips on the final table in order to get a top 3 place. although yeah maybe the move with kq was a bit rash

SamTheOldGoat
26-07-2007, 03:28 AM
FINAL TABLE=ONE TIME PLZZZZZZZZZ

SamTheOldGoat
26-07-2007, 03:35 AM
3/9 4.15K TO WINNER

oz_da II
26-07-2007, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
yeap dont get me wrong i played it wrong. i just wanted to make a move while i stil had some chips. After the blinds gone past thats a quater of my stack gone.


I make it about 1/6 of your stack. But anyways, it's a move I would make in a late position but not with 8 players yet to act. I may consider making that move (UTG), Jerry Yang style, if I considered myself to be the least skilled player on the table.

SamTheOldGoat
26-07-2007, 04:03 AM
3/6.........

RichieG
26-07-2007, 09:12 AM
Where did you place then Sam?

KevTheOptimist
26-07-2007, 10:35 AM
Yeah Sam. Where you place?

SamTheOldGoat
26-07-2007, 11:06 AM
5th I think, maybe 4th?.... played with housemate as he's at mine down in Sussex at the mo, lost AK aipf V JQ then 77 vJQ, jeez.....

Still good for $900 or so so happy with that and hopefully it bodes well for next few weeks :)

saul1664
26-07-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
that hand i posted is worst bad beat ive ever seen, happened earlier

One I had was worse. Have 99 get 9 on flop, get all in with lower set, he has set of 4s. 4 on the river. The only one card in the deck that can beat me. Guess I was 98% favourite on river?

PoolKing
26-07-2007, 12:28 PM
I bet nobody here can beat my worst bad beat! I lost once with KKKK to AAAA :eek:

We both flopped trips, then I turned Quads and finally he rivered Quad Aces!

gjtango
26-07-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
5th I think, maybe 4th?.... played with housemate as he's at mine down in Sussex at the mo, lost AK aipf V JQ then 77 vJQ, jeez.....

Still good for $900 or so so happy with that and hopefully it bodes well for next few weeks :)

Sam, out of interest what kind of priced cash tornoments do you play in in order to amass wins like that?

KevTheOptimist
26-07-2007, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Sam, out of interest what kind of priced cash tornoments do you play in in order to amass wins like that?

$900 + $90 rebuy

:)

Billyd
26-07-2007, 01:14 PM
lol i imagine its one on stars, you can enter some for $10 and if you win you can $7,000 or more. Obviously there are alot of runners but most of them are donks, u just gotta win your races

SamTheOldGoat
26-07-2007, 01:51 PM
It was a $60 freezeout. 200 runners or something.

Play 20-200 freezeouts, and $20-$50 rebuys :)

saul1664
26-07-2007, 03:48 PM
Shocking day. AA vs JJ all in on cash table. J first card out. KK runs into runner runner runner runner hearts, like it every decent hand 4 of one suit have come out on the board. Dominated a tourney for two hours only to bubble running into quad 5s. And worst of all $50 heads up, dominating 2.5/1, misclick, instead of 180, I put in 1880, and he rivers a full house and goes on to beat me. Too frustrated to play any more. :( :( :confused:

Finbar
26-07-2007, 03:53 PM
ouch, that would hurt a lot, don't let it get to you

Finbar
26-07-2007, 03:55 PM
oh, except for the misclick which I suggest you beat yourself up over for a good while yet, unlucky though as the misclick could have gone your way (but still no excuse for it)

Have just starting playing a few heads up sit and go's, liking them so far but still early days (am actually tracking my win / lose record which is most unlike me!!)

saul1664
26-07-2007, 04:06 PM
betfair don't have a slider so anything above 2 x BB you have to first click in a tiny box than type in your amount in an ever decreasing 15 seconds, it's easy to put the wrong amount in

oz_da II
26-07-2007, 05:16 PM
Come to the conclusion that some people play poker just to inflict bad beats on people, this guy got me a couple of times tonight.

Here's an example, at least I didn'y pay him off on the river...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Texas Holdem Limit $0.50/$1 - 2007-07-26 14:16:14 Server

Seat 1: viegetex ( $40.20 )
Seat 3: ToniCash76 ( $8.15 )
Seat 5: xabaxaba ( $14.10 )
Seat 6: THECORPSE ( $33.90 )
Seat 8: TimboUK69 ( $18.72 )
TimboUK69 posts Small Blind $0.25
viegetex posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards
Your cards Ac Kh [THECORPSE]

ToniCash76 raises $1
xabaxaba raises $1.50
THECORPSE raises $2
TimboUK69 folds
viegetex folds
ToniCash76 calls $1
xabaxaba calls $0.50

Dealing Flop Qh 5s 8d
ToniCash76 checks
xabaxaba checks
THECORPSE bets $0.50
ToniCash76 calls $0.50
xabaxaba folds

Dealing Turn Qh 5s 8d 5d
ToniCash76 checks
THECORPSE bets $1
ToniCash76 calls $1

Dealing River Qh 5s 8d 5d Jd
ToniCash76 checks
THECORPSE checks
ToniCash76 shows 9s Ts
Winner is ToniCash76 $9.10
#EOG.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Having analyzed the hand he actually plays it correctly post flop only if he puts me on AK, with any other two cards in my capping range he's throwing away chips. Must say capping with T9s stinks.

Anyone play this differently?

Gav The Hamster
26-07-2007, 05:31 PM
as i've said before, if you want to play 'proper' poker, steps the blinds up especially in limit.

You lost about $4 in the hand, its nothing to worry about lol.

Son of Selhurst
26-07-2007, 06:46 PM
Last night I played a quick $5 6-man S'n'G on Full-Tilt.

The game lasted just 30 hands, and I was responsible for knocking out each of the other players, one-by-one.

I was quite chuffed with meself.

PoolKing
26-07-2007, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
5th I think, maybe 4th?.... played with housemate as he's at mine down in Sussex at the mo, lost AK aipf V JQ then 77 vJQ, jeez.....

Still good for $900 or so so happy with that and hopefully it bodes well for next few weeks :)

Nice one Sam :p That 1am tournament is a nice little one, 200 odd entrys and a freezeout. Pays good prizes to the top 5 or so and only usually takes around 3 hours to complete

oz_da II
26-07-2007, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
as i've said before, if you want to play 'proper' poker, steps the blinds up especially in limit.

You lost about $4 in the hand, its nothing to worry about lol.

Not worried whatsoever, these are the fools I'm making my money against. I'm seeing about 300 hands an hour (4-5 tabling) and crushing them so no real need to move up.

If everyone player "proper" poker no one would make any profit except for the rake.

SamTheOldGoat
27-07-2007, 11:01 AM
Cheers Alex :)

Had 4 mates down last night so we went to Brighton on the razz up and played a £2 joker poker night! All in every hand for the first 2 levels to build a stack to 10k and in for about £55 but came fourth for £80 and houesmate won for £280 and got very drunk. Happy days :D

saul1664
27-07-2007, 11:06 AM
Two big donk outs today. First JJ vs 46, flop something like 6 2 7 rainbow, bet large flop and turn, he keeps calling and hits 4 on the river for two pair to beat me. Ask why he kept calling, he says so I could hit the 4.

Then AA against 45, again big pre-flop raise and bet on the flop, he makes two pair on turn. Says I like to call/raise with low cards as they often beat big hands. That was about $50 in cold blood, though recovered to end the session $40 up.

It's a donkfest out there.

oz_da II
27-07-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Ask why he kept calling, he says so I could hit the 4.

Then AA against 45, again big pre-flop raise and bet on the flop, he makes two pair on turn. Says I like to call/raise with low cards as they often beat big hands. That was about $50 in cold blood, though recovered to end the session $40 up.

It's a donkfest out there.

Never question poor play, just encourage it.
I just say, "Well played". Once you say that a few times it becomes very easy to do. A while ago I used to question poor plays and get stinky players offside, all that did was either wisen them up or get them to leave which is not a good result.

RichieG
27-07-2007, 01:01 PM
Too true Oz, I've been playing .10/.20 & .25/.50 6 Max NL of late and I cannot believe how many limpy mc-limpers there are, I've been playing a bit too loose in position perhaps but I just can't resist raising these donks.

Considering you should really have a bankroll of $400 at this level I'm amazed at the low quality of hand selection and all the calling stations. I'm presuming most players are just sticking in $50 and crossing their fingers!

I need to tighten up a bit to make even more, but I'm beating these games for around 10bb/100 it's awesome!

DANCOO
27-07-2007, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I bet nobody here can beat my worst bad beat! I lost once with KKKK to AAAA :eek:

We both flopped trips, then I turned Quads and finally he rivered Quad Aces!
I've lost straight flush to a higher straight flush before, although I think we both were each holding only one card to it, not two...but I did hit my one first.

KevTheOptimist
27-07-2007, 04:59 PM
Am a bit bored with poker at the moment.

This drives me to more instant winning type games like roulette.

Bad news. Bad Kev

Strathclyde Eagle
28-07-2007, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Come to the conclusion that some people play poker just to inflict bad beats on people, this guy got me a couple of times tonight.

Here's an example, at least I didn'y pay him off on the river...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Texas Holdem Limit $0.50/$1 - 2007-07-26 14:16:14 Server

Seat 1: viegetex ( $40.20 )
Seat 3: ToniCash76 ( $8.15 )
Seat 5: xabaxaba ( $14.10 )
Seat 6: THECORPSE ( $33.90 )
Seat 8: TimboUK69 ( $18.72 )
TimboUK69 posts Small Blind $0.25
viegetex posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards
Your cards Ac Kh [THECORPSE]

ToniCash76 raises $1
xabaxaba raises $1.50
THECORPSE raises $2
TimboUK69 folds
viegetex folds
ToniCash76 calls $1
xabaxaba calls $0.50

Dealing Flop Qh 5s 8d
ToniCash76 checks
xabaxaba checks
THECORPSE bets $0.50
ToniCash76 calls $0.50
xabaxaba folds

Dealing Turn Qh 5s 8d 5d
ToniCash76 checks
THECORPSE bets $1
ToniCash76 calls $1

Dealing River Qh 5s 8d 5d Jd
ToniCash76 checks
THECORPSE checks
ToniCash76 shows 9s Ts
Winner is ToniCash76 $9.10
#EOG.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Having analyzed the hand he actually plays it correctly post flop only if he puts me on AK, with any other two cards in my capping range he's throwing away chips. Must say capping with T9s stinks.

Anyone play this differently?
The only thing I might say is that continuations on the flop (and to some degree, the turn) seem to be becoming less and less and effective in my experience. I'm actually playing hands like AK, AQ a bit less aggressively on the flop if I haven't hit, especially when I'm in position. If a passive player wants to give me a free card why not take it?

By the way, if you're the initial aggressor there he can't surely put you on two diamonds? Why isn't he putting something in on the river?

oz_da II
28-07-2007, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
The only thing I might say is that continuations on the flop (and to some degree, the turn) seem to be becoming less and less and effective in my experience. I'm actually playing hands like AK, AQ a bit less aggressively on the flop if I haven't hit, especially when I'm in position. If a passive player wants to give me a free card why not take it?

By the way, if you're the initial aggressor there he can't surely put you on two diamonds? Why isn't he putting something in on the river?

Continuation bet did get rid of one of them.

I'd assume he's going for a check raise since I fired on both the flop and the turn.

DANCOO
28-07-2007, 01:38 PM
I have decided to try and win enough money, purely on the poker tables, to be able to buy a TVR. I figure I will need around £10k.

Wish me luck. :moo: :D

SamTheOldGoat
28-07-2007, 05:02 PM
Good luck Dan

saul1664
28-07-2007, 08:00 PM
Yesterday started to continue in the same vein. KK twice, both beaten by 10 8, first one hit 10 8 on flop, 2nd was 10 8 spades and flush came out on turn. Then in tourney 9 10 hearts makes a flush on the flop, push and get called 4th heart on river gives higher flush and I'm crippled.

About 8 consecutive hands hit 4 of the same suit to cripple most hands, but then variance starts swinging the other way, the straights and flushes are hitting every board and I am getting a piece of it this time, suddenly one cash table up $187, 2nd $150, my 192 chip stack grows to 11K, and finish 7th in tourney.

Would have won more if had been braver in tourney. 44 twice, first time would have had to push all in, full house appears on flop, second one worse have 11K, raised to 800 with blinds 200/400, fold, full house on flop again with 4 callers. Then get 88, flop 224, big stack raises 2000 on flop, call, next card is low as well and puts me all in and I have to fold, from then on it's damage limitation to finish in the money.

Amount of flushes and straights seem unreal in the last three days, not very random thats for sure.

gjtango
28-07-2007, 08:09 PM
Won a couple of low stakes games on Poker Stars today, and won entry into the 3.30pm Hundred Grand toroment tomorrow which will be interesting.

DANCOO
28-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
CRYING@ LOSING 1K @ hi lo- Is that physically possible?!?!

I'm sitting on the same table as him again now (he's actually just left), and he's just dropped $600 in 30 minutes playing $1/$2.:clown:

saul1664
28-07-2007, 10:20 PM
You'd think you'd give up if you were that bad.

DANCOO
28-07-2007, 10:23 PM
He's just this minute sat down again.

Seriously, he is sooooo bad. He goes on tilt and just keeps on re-potting.

•••• me, he just won a hand!

saul1664
28-07-2007, 10:28 PM
I lost shed loads at omaha and never played again. Not for me. Sort of game where you have either got it or you haven't and as it is so volatile at pot limit if you are not good enough it's not worth playing.

SamTheOldGoat
29-07-2007, 02:33 PM
Omahas the best game I think, not a big fan of H/L as I don't like splitting pots :) How much did you take off him Dan?

oz_da II
29-07-2007, 02:36 PM
Talk about splitting pots.

Flopped a set 3's tonight, got a couple of chasers. Board ends up A,2,3,4,5 great split pot...

Oh no... One buffoon is hold K6. :moo:

oz_da II
29-07-2007, 04:42 PM
Here's one, what would you do?

Meverick is a calling station, while Sayfur is very aggro.

Pre-flop, I would usually re-raise with AQ but was wanting to trap Sayfur while bringing Meverick along for the ride...

** Twist and Shout [Hold em] (0.50|1.00 Fixed Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

Meverick021 posted the small blind - $0.25
The_Corpse posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to The_Corpse: Ace of Hearts, Queen of Diamonds
Sayfur87 raised - $1.00
Dokmai folded
Loyp91 folded
Chaos-I folded
Meverick021 called - $1.00
The_Corpse called - $1.00

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Hearts, 8 of Clubs, 10 of Hearts
Meverick021 checked
The_Corpse checked
Sayfur87 bet - $0.50
Meverick021 called - $0.50
The_Corpse called - $0.50

** Dealing the turn: 5 of Hearts
Meverick021 checked
The_Corpse checked
Sayfur87 bet - $1.00
Meverick021 called - $1.00
The_Corpse called - $1.00

** Dealing the river: Ace of Diamonds
Meverick021 checked...

DANCOO
29-07-2007, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Omahas the best game I think, not a big fan of H/L as I don't like splitting pots :) How much did you take off him Dan?

Nothing this time around, and not much last time around.

You have to be pretty lucky to get in a pot with him as he doesn't hang on to his money for too long. :)

gjtango
30-07-2007, 02:15 AM
Just lost KK to 73 suited- hit flush on river! ARGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Hadn't hit anything else either!

oz_da II
30-07-2007, 02:39 AM
How did you play the hand?

gjtango
30-07-2007, 12:38 PM
Raised it up pre flop to about 900- think flops were 150/300 at that time. One caller. •••• all came out, something like 5 7 J, so I called all in, he called, then hit flush on river. Evidently was trying to gain chips and should have called all in intially. But still!

SamTheOldGoat
30-07-2007, 02:38 PM
73 isn't a bad hand, not as good as 74 though ;)

Gav The Hamster
30-07-2007, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Raised it up pre flop to about 900- think flops were 150/300 at that time. One caller. •••• all came out, something like 5 7 J, so I called all in, he called, then hit flush on river. Evidently was trying to gain chips and should have called all in intially. But still!

so he could easily have put you on AK, AQ etc.. hit his 7 on the flop, thought he was winning and called your all in.

samtheeagle
30-07-2007, 09:49 PM
Anyone here play on pkr.com? Poor play apparently due to there massive commercial advertising.

PoolKing
30-07-2007, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Raised it up pre flop to about 900- think flops were 150/300 at that time. One caller. •••• all came out, something like 5 7 J, so I called all in, he called, then hit flush on river. Evidently was trying to gain chips and should have called all in intially. But still!

Did he flop the flush draw or did he hit runner, runner?

If he flopped a flush draw on the flop with the mid-pair as well then your chances of winning the hand are around 50/50, he may even have a very, very, very slight lead of 0.5% or so....

oz_da II
30-07-2007, 11:26 PM
Anyone finding bet365 (prima network) software crashing quite often since the upgrade?

saul1664
30-07-2007, 11:35 PM
Some spakka kept calling all the way to river with K4 on K J junk board, despite me raising all the time to hit his 4 on the river for two pair against KA. Doh. Actually lost 4 consecutive hands with KA (and I hit them 4 out of 5 times).

Smoking ban seems to be hitting the pub league, guaranteed 30 runners usually, now down to 6 and it's dead. However, everyone decided to put £5 in and winner takes all and I took it down. Have qualified for final next month, only played 6 games but 1st 1st 1st 2nd 4th & 5th good enough.

Billyd
30-07-2007, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
so he could easily have put you on AK, AQ etc.. hit his 7 on the flop, thought he was winning and called your all in.

i find it hard to justify his play with 73

saul1664
30-07-2007, 11:49 PM
What level do you play at, I find at the lower levels, a big majority of the players will push all in and call raises on any two suited cards, even if they completely miss the board.

PoolKing
31-07-2007, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Anyone finding bet365 (prima network) software crashing quite often since the upgrade?

Mine hasn't crashed but it lags a lot.

oz_da II
31-07-2007, 12:25 AM
On mine it comes up with a C++ error message, it actually allows me to finish the hand (wish is nice) then my table vanishes and I have to reload.

Very strange.

gjtango
31-07-2007, 12:42 AM
Just got beat playing KK vs AJ all in, straight call. Guy hit A on river. :sob:

gjtango
31-07-2007, 02:06 AM
Have had a really shit night tonight; played 3 tournaments for smallish money, and pretty much hit 5 good hands in all 3. Went out in all without winning anything; not happy at all.

oz_da II
31-07-2007, 02:20 AM
Try playing small ball... ;)

SamTheOldGoat
31-07-2007, 08:26 AM
^^^ As Oz says........

GeeTee
31-07-2007, 10:48 AM
Anyone trying to qualify for the WSOPE?

Being a microstakes donk I'm trying the cheap as chips approach!

I came 27th in a 1600 field freeroll on PokerRoom last night, with the top 40 getting into a final with 3 seats up for grabs. It's on August 11th.

SamTheOldGoat
31-07-2007, 12:05 PM
Will try to play in the WSOPE 2 smaller events, think they are £500 or something and try and satellite in to the main event, definitely not rolled to stick £10k of my own ££££ up! Good luck GT

Billyd
31-07-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by GeeTee
Anyone trying to qualify for the WSOPE?

Being a microstakes donk I'm trying the cheap as chips approach!

I came 27th in a 1600 field freeroll on PokerRoom last night, with the top 40 getting into a final with 3 seats up for grabs. It's on August 11th.

yeah i qualified for that too. its on the same day at soton away so prob wont be playing it! Took me 5 hours to qualify aswell

Billyd
31-07-2007, 12:57 PM
whats your username on poker room? The standard on poker is so bad it unbeliveable

SamTheOldGoat
31-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Jeeeeeeeeeez, messing about at 50pl omaha earlier, standard is SO bad, just tried to keep pots small until I made/had the nuts and there were POW's left right and centre.What dreams are made of!

oz_da II
31-07-2007, 01:46 PM
Pub League Update

Another final table, finished 4th. The TD atually put a bounty on my head, bottle of wine for whomever knocked me out. Didn't matter too much as I more than doubled up with a nut straight 2nd hand and built from there.

Got to final table with the lead but got runner runner-ed flushed out twice in four hands. My mate ended up knocking me out and claiming the bottle of wine. QJc vs T9o all in pre-flop, (blinds are massive so it is shove or fold) nine was a diamond. Qd on on the river completed his flush.

GeeTee
31-07-2007, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
whats your username on poker room? The standard on poker is so bad it unbeliveable

Kojack1972

KevTheOptimist
31-07-2007, 04:10 PM
PKR is a bit gimmicky really. I had a bit of fun on it making stupid noises and stuff like that but I couldn't handle the software - it felt like I was playing on the Xbox 360 and not actually for real money!

DANCOO
31-07-2007, 07:14 PM
He's back again. :D

Five of us at $1/$2.

I sit with $24, there's a $30, a $45 and a $70.

He sits with $200

20 minutes later, everyone has doubled up, and he has reloaded. :clown:

DANCOO
31-07-2007, 07:22 PM
Another $200 gone.

PoolKing
31-07-2007, 07:34 PM
Doesn't he ever get lucky and win?

Funk Butter
31-07-2007, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Another $200 gone.
Who is this and where please?

On a related note, my money that's been held up in neteller has hit my account provisionally. My bank doesn't want to seem to take it straight away.

GeeTee
31-07-2007, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
PKR is a bit gimmicky really.

I agree, but we are talking about PokerRoom.com not PKR.

samtheeagle
01-08-2007, 12:20 AM
Went back to a couple of my old poker rooms today to see if i had any loose change or points lying about and played in 2 point MTT's came in the top 50 out of 3900 runners in one to qualify for the next stage and came 3rd out of 150 in the other to take a nice little return.

KevTheOptimist
01-08-2007, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by GeeTee
I agree, but we are talking about PokerRoom.com not PKR.

Ah, I thought they were the same!

DANCOO
01-08-2007, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Doesn't he ever get lucky and win?

He seemed to win a win a bit when I first started to see him play, but I've seen him lose probably $2k in the last week - that's not to say he doesn't win when I don't see him though.

DANCOO
01-08-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Who is this and where please?


Unfortunately for you, he plays on Laddies.

After he lost his last $200 he mentioned his bad luck on his last pre-flop all-in hand (around $150) - he had something like AA3J.
Then one of the other players told him he played too many hands.:grrr:
I told the player who said this to STFU and let him play his own game, but the losing player just said 'cheers guys' and buggered off.:grrr:

oz_da II
01-08-2007, 08:33 AM
Nothing worse than a know-it-all table coach giving out tips to the donators.

SamTheOldGoat
01-08-2007, 11:20 AM
Indeed, don't tap the glass and all that. Maybe he doesn't realise he's playing 8?

Had another great result last night live. 2/2 FT's in a week and won the £5r last night for £340 and for once was only in for £20 or something. I don't normally play this competition either but one of my housemates who is semi-busto couldn't play higher so it was a light hearted affair and once again the play was HORRIFIC.

Housemate came third and other housemate sat at a £1/£1 cash game with £150 and five guys sat down with £2,000+ and were straddling for £16 to go and reraising PF to £60 in a /1/1 game! Housemate did well leaving £250 up or so and at the start of the night we said we'd all put a third of any winnings into a kitty for an 'all-dayer' in brighton today. £300+ in the kitty for 3 of us! GG me :)

SamTheOldGoat
01-08-2007, 11:21 AM
PS well done Sam the Eagle :)

saul1664
01-08-2007, 03:53 PM
Got my 500K freeroll this month, and keep qualifying for a 10K every sunday which I really must start playing.

Billyd
02-08-2007, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Nothing worse than a know-it-all table coach giving out tips to the donators.


yeah it annoys me so much. The littest thing someone could say some to someone could make them do it that little bit difference next time. That COULD be te difference between you winning a mtt and $5000 and not cashing

Billyd
02-08-2007, 12:07 AM
on that note, when ever someone plays extremely badly against me. I always say unlucky if i win the pot and very well played when they win. Of course they always say thank you :o

saul1664
02-08-2007, 12:23 AM
Some poor play on tables tonight and an easy $60, though knocked out of turbo tourney when folding QA suited in a 3 way pot on the turn, only to find the other callers having A5 and A10 with no one hitting anything! And then having to push with A8 to get knocked out by JQ. Doh.

calne eagle
02-08-2007, 12:28 AM
GO TO BED!!!!!!!!

saul1664
02-08-2007, 12:42 AM
yes boss

DANCOO
02-08-2007, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
on that note, when ever someone plays extremely badly against me. I always say unlucky if i win the pot and very well played when they win. Of course they always say thank you :o

I don't have that much self control. I don't give out tips, but I'm quite prepared to berate the mother ••••ers who muff me.

oz_da II
02-08-2007, 09:03 AM
Biting the hand that feeds you. :D ;)

I was like that at the start, found a few donators left possibly because of my beratements so made an efford to quit and did.

DANCOO
02-08-2007, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Biting the hand that feeds you. :D ;)

I was like that at the start, found a few donators left possibly because of my beratements so made an efford to quit and did.

I tend to not to do it playing hi/lo, as people often have so many draws that 'real' muffing doesn't happen too often.

I only do it in Hold'em games, but as I don't play Hold'em too often, I don't think it really effects any potential profit I'm not going to make, too much anyway. :D

Also with hi/lo, you really need to bring up the hand history to see exactly what they were drawing to, as you don't really get time to analyse what they had before the next hand starts.

RichieG
02-08-2007, 09:38 AM
I try and avoid getting too upset, and don't berate poor players, but this really riled me, I know I was overplaying my hand, but what a river rat - calling bets like that with a gutshot! Thankfully about five hands later I doubled through with the top end of a straight to villians idiot end! Which made me feel much better!

** Aegialeus [Hold em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- Mgjkav sitting in seat 1 with $22.86
- Torrylad sitting in seat 2 with $23.21
- Arvild sitting in seat 3 with $9.32 [Dealer]
- laserface sitting in seat 4 with $25.09
- RichieG1976 sitting in seat 5 with $19.80
- billiej33 sitting in seat 6 with $10.12
laserface posted the small blind - $0.10
RichieG1976 posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to RichieG1976: 10 of Hearts, 9 of Hearts
billiej33 folded
Mgjkav folded
Torrylad folded
Arvild raised - $0.80
laserface raised - $1.40
RichieG1976 called - $1.40
Arvild called - $1.40
** Dealing the flop: 2 of Spades, 8 of Clubs, 10 of Diamonds
laserface checked
RichieG1976 bet - $3.00
Arvild folded
laserface called - $3.00
** Dealing the turn: 6 of Spades
laserface checked
RichieG1976 bet - $7.00
laserface called - $7.00
** Dealing the river: 6 of Clubs
laserface went all-in - $13.79
RichieG1976 went all-in - $8.60
laserface shows: 9 of Spades, 6 of Diamonds
RichieG1976 mucks: 10 of Hearts, 9 of Hearts
laserface wins $39.35 from the main pot

oz_da II
02-08-2007, 09:46 AM
Fold pre-flop?
I don't even like our hand having hit top pair, although you may have history on this guy pre-flop raising with garbage, as he did.

Not a fan of cold calling raises unless I'm trapping with a monster.

RichieG
02-08-2007, 10:08 AM
Playing 6 max NL I almost always see a flop with suited connectors 78 and above, though I wouldn't normally get so excited about top pair no kicker, and if he'd beaten me with A10 I would have been much happier, what upset me was when I realised what crap he'd been calling with.

Did think about folding the river, but odds of 3.6:1 are hard to resist with top pair even without a kicker!

Fide et Fiducia
02-08-2007, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Anyone here play on pkr.com? Poor play apparently due to there massive commercial advertising.

PKR is a dreadful standard of poker, I am at best an average player and I am winning a minimum of $50pw (not huge I realise) on 2c/4c and 5c/10c. I assume the 10% rake is (rightly) discouraging decent players.

It is very pretty though.

SamTheOldGoat
02-08-2007, 10:46 AM
wtf? 10% on any pot?

KevTheOptimist
02-08-2007, 11:29 AM
Guys, do you generally play 6 handed or 10 handed tables?

I always play 6 handed but what are the benefits or playing 10 handed? Which do you prefer and find most profitable?

I stopped playing 10 handed purely because of the length of time between hands and the fact that at least 1 person must have a good hand pre flop per hand meaning blind stealing is a bit tricky.

I'm thinking now though that 10 handed could suit a tighter player - mainly because you see more hands for your blind money, more players to the hand = more likely callers for your monsters and if you get a montster you are more likely to get another player with a strong hand to play into you.

What you all think?

Gav The Hamster
02-08-2007, 11:35 AM
I've played 10 seaters and personally its not for me. If you want to play ABC poker and play only strong starting hands then you have the potential to make some money. But if any of those hands get beat, you can lose a fair bit of money and then wait a fair while for another premium hand to come along.

Like you say, its a little tedious because there is less limping, generally people enter the pot with a raise on those tables and you can be fairly sure that they are not stealing pots but have strong hands. If you have the patience to sit there for 20 hands and potentially fold everyone until a premium hand arrives, potentially lose with that and then wait another 20 hands then I say good luck to you. You do get value for your monster hands, but you can also get shafted as if there is an early raise and a couple of callers, nore people will come into the pot because the pot odds and value call.

6 man tables are far more enjoyable imho.

SamTheOldGoat
02-08-2007, 12:46 PM
If I'm on 10+ tables it's full ring, otherwise 6 handed :)

se1eagle
02-08-2007, 12:50 PM
Interesting CR article a couple of days ago about 12-tabling Sam - did you see it?

Fide et Fiducia
02-08-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
wtf? 10% on any pot?

On the ante's I play yes up to $2. Two people all in on the 5c/10c (assuming they both have about 10 bucks) end up $1 down each on a split pot.

http://www.pkr.com/pkr-support/pkr-account-faq.cfm?FAQID=52

SamTheOldGoat
02-08-2007, 03:43 PM
No SE. You got a link or is it in the cardrunners forum? :)

oz_da II
02-08-2007, 03:58 PM
I enjoyed this hand tonight, especially after this joker gutshotted me twice earlier. Got him noted down as "Gutshot King".

Texas Holdem Limit $0.50/$1 - 2007-08-03 01:12:08.671

THECORPSE posts Small Blind $0.25
Lexmark01 posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards
Your cards Kh Kc [THECORPSE]

Dinosauria calls $0.50
SAAAAMY05 folds
Player damien52 has joined the table
THECORPSE raises $0.75
Lexmark01 calls $0.50
Dinosauria calls $0.50

Dealing Flop 7d 7h Ad
THECORPSE bets $0.50
Lexmark01 folds
Dinosauria calls $0.50

Dealing Turn 7d 7h Ad Kd
THECORPSE bets $1
Dinosauria raises $2
THECORPSE raises $2
Dinosauria raises $2
THECORPSE calls $1

Dealing River 7d 7h Ad Kd Qd
THECORPSE bets $1
Dinosauria raises $2
THECORPSE raises $2
Dinosauria raises $2
THECORPSE calls $1

THECORPSE shows Full house Kh Kc
Dinosauria shows Full house Ac 7s
THECORPSE wins with Full house 7d 7h Kd Kh Kc $19


He flops a full house and he gets nailed. :lux:
Serves him right for playing ace rag in ep. :moo:

DANCOO
02-08-2007, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I enjoyed this hand tonight, especially after this joker gutshotted me twice earlier. Got him noted down as "Gutshot King".


I really should improve the notes I have on players using Laddies notes option, as they really aren't a lot of good.

My players desciption don't tend to be 'LAG', 'Pot raise with AA', CS...etc... Instead they are 'C*nt', 'Mouthy twat and crap to go with it', 'Monkey calls with any crap'...etc...:D

DANCOO
02-08-2007, 05:10 PM
.

saul1664
02-08-2007, 05:11 PM
Bit of a pants session, made a nice read with A8 when pairing 8s and 7s, and was pushed in to $10 on the river when Q hit and called, he had AK and nothing on the board. Come across him quite a lot, someone raised to $2 earlier, he raised to $7, showed K6 offsuit and said don't steal my blinds (blind is 0.50$). Wtf?

Then massively donked out on other table. JA raised to $2, called by 35 offsuit, flop comes down J 5 7, so I raise again and now he has to put me on a J at least, so what does he do, he pushes me all in, I call to see his 35 and next card is a 5 for trips.

Then QQ ran into 44 which made trips and should have laid down on the river when he put me all in, but my stack was short and thought he was trying to represent the flush. Flop was something like 4 10 7 so couldn't have really read the danger at that stage. Ended up about $25 down.

DANCOO
02-08-2007, 05:15 PM
Moved - wouldn't want anyone to miss it. ;)

I wouldn't have played this hand unless there were a few people in the pot...glad I did. :D

RF number five! :)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1382/royalba4.jpg

SamTheOldGoat
02-08-2007, 05:44 PM
NH Dan, can you stick up the HH mate?

SamTheOldGoat
02-08-2007, 05:45 PM
oh and pmsl @ 'c*nt, mouthy twat'

DANCOO
02-08-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
NH Dan, can you stick up the HH mate?

Just left the table, but you can see nearly all of the play on the right hand side.

Left the table with f-all, did not hit a single hand after that, and that was with being dealt AAxx four times, loads of A2WL, absolutely f-all.
And I played them all passively pre-flop, wouldn't have lasted ten minutes had a played them aggressively.

se1eagle
02-08-2007, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
No SE. You got a link or is it in the cardrunners forum? :)

The link is http://www.cardrunners.com/cms/index.cfm?ParentItemIDList=84140,86390&ItemID=155657

Nothing revolutionary, but good solid advice as usual

KevTheOptimist
02-08-2007, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
If I'm on 10+ tables it's full ring, otherwise 6 handed :)

Sam, if you were to play 2 tables with a view to make a profit and you were in no rush at all, what would it be? 6 or 10.

D you think it makes a difference to the way you and others play?

Reps AJ
02-08-2007, 07:49 PM
Just bust out late in 3 SnGs in the space of about 5 minutes with 1010 v JQs, 66 v 44 and 99 v A9os. It was just the rush of them all at once :sob:

samtheeagle
03-08-2007, 02:52 AM
Just did this poker IQ quiz. Some very touch situations. Got a score of 102 in the end found it quite tricky. Would be interested to see other peoples scores.
http://www.donkeytest.com/index.html

Son of Selhurst
03-08-2007, 06:40 AM
100. I rushed a few questions because I'm at work and people keep talking to me.

DANCOO
03-08-2007, 08:09 AM
I got 100. Oh joy, I'm just like SoS. ;) :D

Gav The Hamster
03-08-2007, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Sam, if you were to play 2 tables with a view to make a profit and you were in no rush at all, what would it be? 6 or 10.

D you think it makes a difference to the way you and others play?

lol, Kev, you should be playing for the fun of it and any money you do make is a bonus. Dont ever look at poker as a profitable hobby - you must have learnt that by now ?!

KevTheOptimist
03-08-2007, 10:25 AM
Anyone that plays online poker for the fun of it is stupid. It's gambling plain and simple, no one gambles 'for the fun of it', they all wanna make some cash.

Gav The Hamster
03-08-2007, 10:40 AM
Lol, i think you'll find alot of people gamble for the fun of it, and any winnings are a bonus.

Why do you play poker ? You lose money so I guess that means you don't enjoy it ?

KevTheOptimist
03-08-2007, 11:46 AM
A lot of people gamble for the buzz of course, which I think is probably why I gamble a fair bit. Do I enjoy playing poker, yes. Would I play poker just for the fun of it, no, I don't like it that much!

SamTheOldGoat
03-08-2007, 12:06 PM
Cheers SE1, I'll read that a bit later on today, much appreciated mate :)

Kev, if I'm playing only 2 tables I'll be on 6 max for action as full ring is too slow and I get bored. When on full ring and playing 8+ tables I'll be playing premium pairs, suited connectors and not a lot else to be honest. As I'm always on one table it helps me to be 'picky' to avoid difficult situations :)

As for the whole fun and cash thing, I love playing, whether online or live and if I wasn't making money, this whole thing wouldn't be fun. The fact that I can make a grand in an afternoon or lose a grand in an hour makes it exciting and luckily I have an edge that means I win more than I lose. Maybe this will change in the future if I don't carry on working on my game, but at the moment I enjoy sitting at tables, both live and virtual and 'knowing' I can beat most of the players. That may sound arrogant but it's honestly not meant to be. If I didn't have an edge and always hovered around the break even mark the whole game of poker, no matter what form of it wouldn't appeal so much :)

GeeTee
03-08-2007, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just did this poker IQ quiz. Some very touch situations. Got a score of 102 in the end found it quite tricky. Would be interested to see other peoples scores.
http://www.donkeytest.com/index.html

For shame - 81

saul1664
03-08-2007, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
The link is http://www.cardrunners.com/cms/index.cfm?ParentItemIDList=84140,86390&ItemID=155657

Nothing revolutionary, but good solid advice as usual

Can you paste it, won't allow access?

saul1664
03-08-2007, 08:02 PM
94. Wouldn't mind the answers (though I suspect there aren't right ones)

Strathclyde Eagle
03-08-2007, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just did this poker IQ quiz. Some very touch situations. Got a score of 102 in the end found it quite tricky. Would be interested to see other peoples scores.
http://www.donkeytest.com/index.html
Love question 51. :cool:

(I answered call - every Rounders dvd should come with a leaflet on bankroll management.)

Don't know how I managed 107.

RichieG
03-08-2007, 08:47 PM
I answered the same to the Rounders question. Got 104.

Zola's Chin
03-08-2007, 09:45 PM
Never seen the film. Answered call. 106.

So what happens in the film?

SamTheOldGoat
03-08-2007, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Can you paste it, won't allow access?

You have to be a member of Cardrunners. Something I highly recommend to EVERYONE on this thread

RichieG
03-08-2007, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
Never seen the film. Answered call. 106.

So what happens in the film?

Hero pushes all-in, villain calls and shows Aces full of Nines!

saul1664
04-08-2007, 12:57 AM
Can't win a raffle today. AA in tourney beaten by 66 with 6 on turn, and knocked out by A6 vs my AQ when the A6 hits the turn. Worst was whole buy in gone when 55 made trips on flop, got money in to see JJ and J on turn, every big hand I have had has come across something better by 1, QQ against KK. Heads up, opponent has AA first hand, I make two pair, and he hits trips on the river, when he gets to 2:1 chip stack keeps pushing all in so I make a move with 77 he has A3, flop comes QQ2, turn 10 river 10 and he takes the cash with A kicker. Doh.

Strathclyde Eagle
04-08-2007, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by RichieG
Hero pushes all-in, villain calls and shows Aces full of Nines!
Doesn't even begin to do it justice!

"You're right, I don't have... the schpades." :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghaGFWc1HGE

I love the narrative style in this. He thinks he's winning the whole way, when in fact he's always behind, despite holding a monster.

DANCOO
04-08-2007, 09:32 AM
I must be the only person who didn't really rate Rounders.
I thought it was ok, but it was so cliched. They tried to fill it with as much poker jargon as possible, which although was accurate, there just seemed too much emphasis on it.

saul1664
04-08-2007, 04:07 PM
0.25/0.50$ cash game all players have roughly the same stacks of money ($50)

Raise in front of me to 4 x BB, have 67 clubs and call the raise, two other callers behind.

Flop comes 8s 9d 10s.

Original caller puts $10 raise into $8 pot. What do you do next?

Eagle Of Cray
04-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
0.25/0.50$ cash game all players have roughly the same stacks of money ($50)

Raise in front of me to 4 x BB, have 67 clubs and call the raise, two other callers behind.

Flop comes 8s 9d 10s.

Original caller puts $10 raise into $8 pot. What do you do next?

Personally I'd be looking for the fold button. I think with the original raise, plus the other callers you must be putting at least one of them on the higher straight.

saul1664
04-08-2007, 04:18 PM
The other two have yet to act if it helps.

DANCOO
04-08-2007, 04:47 PM
I am never going to be folding there, probably raise it up to $25.

Zola's Chin
04-08-2007, 05:20 PM
I'm with Dancoo. At this stage I aint laying my hand down regardless of the betting action. If someone has me beat, good luck to them.

Strathclyde Eagle
04-08-2007, 06:33 PM
I think you need to raise as well. If you're just folding, why play the hand in the first place? What if you're just up against someone aggressive with jack-high or a flush draw?

Funk Butter
04-08-2007, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just did this poker IQ quiz. Some very touch situations. Got a score of 102 in the end found it quite tricky. Would be interested to see other peoples scores.
http://www.donkeytest.com/index.html

Dear Funk Butter,

Thank you for taking the DonkeyTest.

Your Poker IQ score is: 105

Average Player
(Expected to lose slowly in raked games, break even in homegames)

Oh well.

DANCOO
04-08-2007, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Dear Funk Butter,

Thank you for taking the DonkeyTest.

Your Poker IQ score is: 105

Average Player
(Expected to lose slowly in raked games, break even in homegames)

Oh well.

How's it been going recently Funk?

PoolKing
04-08-2007, 07:20 PM
I took the test and scored 10. I must say though that I agree with one of the comments I read stating that poker is 'situational not structured'. I feel that a game situation needs to be recreated to test responses, reading a description and definitions of players tendancies doesn't stimulate the same responses necessarily that real game-play would.

Along the same lines, I find it very hard sometimes to say what I would do when other people present hand histories, a lot of it depends on 'feel' for opponents and you have to be playing the game to get that, you can't pick that up in a hand history even if you are given a description of player tendancies.

PoolKing
04-08-2007, 07:20 PM
Oops, correction to above, I scored 108, not 10!!!

KevTheOptimist
04-08-2007, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Personally I'd be looking for the fold button. I think with the original raise, plus the other callers you must be putting at least one of them on the higher straight.

I'd be wanting the J spades, Q spades and the A spades to be sure of winning that hand./

Gav The Hamster
04-08-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
0.25/0.50$ cash game all players have roughly the same stacks of money ($50)

Raise in front of me to 4 x BB, have 67 clubs and call the raise, two other callers behind.

Flop comes 8s 9d 10s.

Original caller puts $10 raise into $8 pot. What do you do next?

I'd fold, too long to explain, but with 2 people to act and the bet being so large, by showdown time I cant see you winning the hand whether your're winning at this stage or not. He could have AJs and drawing to nut flush and the straight. Plus who knows what the 2 left to act have in their hand either !

You dont have enough invested in the pot to call with that flop in this instance, my 2 cents anyways.

I'm guessing you went further into the pot than folding on the flop ?

samtheeagle
04-08-2007, 11:03 PM
With 3 players behind him Im not so sure if the origional raiser would have made such a bet if he'd made the nuts. Perhaps have him on an over pair trying to push the other callers off who may be on a big draw?
Personally I would either fold or raise depending on what the players like. Most likely push all in.

saul1664
04-08-2007, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
I'd fold, too long to explain, but with 2 people to act and the bet being so large, by showdown time I cant see you winning the hand whether your're winning at this stage or not. He could have AJs and drawing to nut flush and the straight. Plus who knows what the 2 left to act have in their hand either !

You dont have enough invested in the pot to call with that flop in this instance, my 2 cents anyways.

I'm guessing you went further into the pot than folding on the flop ?
Yes I reraised all-in. I don't like the $10 raise into the pot, it doesn't scream straight at me, it screams scared of straight or flush draw, also he was the original raiser, and can't see a raise from him with either 7J or JQ, the two behind me have flat called the raise so don't put them on strong hands either. I assumed I would get a fold from the players behind me.

However, one caller calls the all in behind me and the original raiser calls the all in as well (the other caller drops out).

Original raiser shows AA and is completely dominated, other player who pushed in for all his chips shows JK and has open ended straight draw and 7 outs which is slightly worrying but misses both and I take a big 3 way pot down.

Gav The Hamster
05-08-2007, 12:03 AM
ah fair enough, you said in your original post, "original caller" made the big post flop raise. I took that as one of the guys who called the original raiser and then bet out pre flop.

saul1664
05-08-2007, 12:39 AM
Just wondered how everyone would play that hand and why? Will put it through a % card checker tomorrow to see what odds I was getting.

samtheeagle
05-08-2007, 01:08 AM
As I thought. Its nice analysing a position and getting circumstances right. Shame I struggle to do it when I play.

DANCOO
05-08-2007, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Just wondered how everyone would play that hand and why? Will put it through a % card checker tomorrow to see what odds I was getting.

Based on the fact that I VERY rarely play cash hold'em:

As was mentioned (and I'm not just saying this with hindsight), definately put the original raiser on an op, QQ/KK/AA, after the post flop bet.

You've flopped the low straight, and if you're not prepared to play the hand strong when you hit, you shouldn't be playing it, period.

JQ is definately a hand that someone might play, but you can't just limp on that basis, if someones got it, then you've got to pay them off, simple as that.

Flush draw for someone is a possibility, but someone holding a naked J would be my biggest concern.

Zola's Chin
05-08-2007, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Based on the fact that I VERY rarely play cash hold'em:

As was mentioned (and I'm not just saying this with hindsight), definately put the original raiser on an op, QQ/KK/AA, after the post flop bet.

You've flopped the low straight, and if you're not prepared to play the hand strong when you hit, you shouldn't be playing it, period.

JQ is definately a hand that someone might play, but you can't just limp on that basis, if someones got it, then you've got to pay them off, simple as that.

Flush draw for someone is a possibility, but someone holding a naked J would be my biggest concern.

100% spot on analysis.

You should play more cash hold 'em! :p

Zola's Chin
05-08-2007, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just did this poker IQ quiz. Some very touch situations. Got a score of 102 in the end found it quite tricky. Would be interested to see other peoples scores.
http://www.donkeytest.com/index.html

Gave this to a poker playing friend, to try. He scored an impressive 116. Said that whenever there was a really tough situation, he always went with the most aggressive option.

Reps AJ
05-08-2007, 10:11 AM
Just had my AK run into AA on an AK flop... it was expensive
:sob: :sob:

Reps AJ
05-08-2007, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Just had my AK run into AA on an AK flop... it was expensive
:sob: :sob:

And on a different table AK runs into AQ on a AQ flop...

Bah, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine

saul1664
05-08-2007, 01:49 PM
Worse than that...

In $10,000 tourney, and flop the straight, get my all in on the flop to get a call, other guy has flat called Jacks. And hits quads on turn. Earlier hit quad 2s and made 90 chips. Then push all in with KA to meet JA, flop of 10 10 4 4 7 gives split pot. Still in but living dangerously.

saul1664
05-08-2007, 01:54 PM
Crashed and burned...

Got back up to 2K in chips, got 10 10, flop of 9 7 2 rainbow, no raises, two in pot so pushed all in. Flat caller with QQ won the pot. Doh.

Funk Butter
05-08-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
How's it been going recently Funk?
Some up, some down. Recently discovered I'm pretty good at 5 Card Draw over at Poker Stars, so I play that MTT every so often. Still making most of my hay at Pot Limit Omaha. I've not had a great dealing of time recently after moving, but I get a tourney in here or there. Might head to Foxwoods to play some poker at my Mom's birthday shindig in Connecticut.

PoolKing
05-08-2007, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Zola's Chin
100% spot on analysis.

You should play more cash hold 'em! :p

I completely agree, throughout this thread Dancoo's posts regarding decision making are always logical and well-reasoned, GET BACK TO CASH HOLD 'EM DANCOO:p

saul1664
05-08-2007, 06:04 PM
First, I've just missed a 2K tourney by two hours. Then get raised all in on cash table when I have trip 6 by A8, turn A river A.

Reps AJ
05-08-2007, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Then get raised all in on cash table when I have trip 6 by A8, turn A river A.

If its any consolation I've just gone out of 2 STT in the space of a minute by getting rivered by flushes when I was easy favourite when the money went in

saul1664
05-08-2007, 06:47 PM
One of those days. Flop the nut flush. Keep getting called all the way to the river, he rivers the full house holding 89

samtheeagle
05-08-2007, 09:10 PM
Sound like one hell of a day saul.

ozeagle
06-08-2007, 12:17 AM
quick note to all here.
bankrolled oz_da on sat night down in melbourne at Crown casino.
sat above his table in the bar swilling piss, watching as oz_da went on a rampage of epic proportions.
3hrs later and he'd doubled my wad, not to mention vastly multiplying his own.
i can best describe it as watching money be printed in a mint.
oz_da, supreme poker star. end of.
bring on Adelaide.

;)

SamTheOldGoat
06-08-2007, 08:17 AM
Jeeeeeeeeez Saul, you run worse than me. Any positive posts which you played and won? ;)

saul1664
06-08-2007, 02:28 PM
Not recently. Looked like I was going to get some back in $50 heads up.

I'm 2:1 in chip lead. He pushes all in after I raise with A7, I call he has KJ, flop comes A J 7 and K on the turn, board doesn't pair down to levels. Blinds are big at that stage so when K 7 hits a K 5 5 board, and I push all in I see him holding 5 7. Ho hum.

RichieG
06-08-2007, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Not recently. Looked like I was going to get some back in $50 heads up.

I'm 2:1 in chip lead. He pushes all in after I raise with A7, I call he has KJ, flop comes A J 7 and K on the turn, board doesn't pair down to levels.

But that means you win with the higher two pair? :confused:

KevTheOptimist
06-08-2007, 03:44 PM
It's rigged I tell thee!

Gav The Hamster
06-08-2007, 03:57 PM
Saul must have had the KJ

Billyd
06-08-2007, 04:45 PM
Final table of a tourney on stars earlier.On the bubble. Pretty sick bad beat i got!


- Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/08/06 - 11:04:58 (ET)
Table '57531789 5' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: brotherz (12005 in chips)
Seat 2: LuvMullet? (10324 in chips)
Seat 3: KatJul (5295 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: billyd77 (8061 in chips)
Seat 5: peeere (14785 in chips)
Seat 6: rachelnevada (8200 in chips)
Seat 7: alfalfa7 (5490 in chips)
Seat 9: bitER_2swalO (3340 in chips)
brotherz: posts the ante 25
LuvMullet?: posts the ante 25
KatJul: posts the ante 25
billyd77: posts the ante 25
peeere: posts the ante 25
rachelnevada: posts the ante 25
alfalfa7: posts the ante 25
bitER_2swalO: posts the ante 25
LuvMullet?: posts small blind 200
KatJul: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Ah As]
billyd77: raises 800 to 1200
peeere: folds
rachelnevada: folds
alfalfa7: folds
bitER_2swalO: folds
brotherz: calls 1200
LuvMullet?: folds
KatJul: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d Ts 9h]
billyd77: checks
brotherz: bets 2400
billyd77: raises 4436 to 6836 and is all-in
brotherz: calls 4436
brotherz said, "nh"
*** TURN *** [2d Ts 9h] [Kh]
bitER_2swalO said, "nh's"
*** RIVER *** [2d Ts 9h Kh] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyd77: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
brotherz: shows [Js Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
brotherz collected 16872 from pot
billyd77 said, "grrrrrrrr"
brotherz said, "wow"
bitER_2swalO said, "ouch"
brotherz said, "sorry"
brotherz said, "gg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16872 | Rake 0
Board [2d Ts 9h Kh Qd]
Seat 1: brotherz (button) showed [Js Jc] and won (16872) with a straight, Nine
to King
Seat 2: LuvMullet? (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: KatJul (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: billyd77 showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: peeere folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rachelnevada folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: alfalfa7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bitER_2swalO folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Gav The Hamster
06-08-2007, 04:49 PM
yeh thats a bit unlucky, if i was the guy with JJ I would assume I'm ahead.

saul1664
06-08-2007, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by RichieG
But that means you win with the higher two pair? :confused:

My mistake. Not a 7 on the flop but an A and a J, I didn't pair.

saul1664
06-08-2007, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
Saul must have had the KJ

No I had the A7, I was ahead on the flop as the A and J hit. I missed two pair. He did say I was unlucky when I called with that but probably not a massive favourite in any case, he had two fairly good live cards.

saul1664
06-08-2007, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
yeh thats a bit unlucky, if i was the guy with JJ I would assume I'm ahead.

You might have wanted to push all in pre-flop?

saul1664
06-08-2007, 05:13 PM
Nightmare. My 500K tourney (with prizes down to 100th ($650)), is on the same day as Southampton away and I'm going to miss it. Doh.

PoolKing
06-08-2007, 05:31 PM
Saul I will pay you 1/2 the entry fee and play it for you on agreement of 50/50 on all profits;)

Gav The Hamster
06-08-2007, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
You might have wanted to push all in pre-flop?

I would have done yes. perhaps the guy was wanting to see if no A or K came out on flop before pushing

saul1664
06-08-2007, 06:03 PM
Not much better at the moment. AA beaten by A3, he kept calling on gutshot flush draw and hit on the river. And then KK against Q9, first four cards out 5599 and Q for good measure on river.

saul1664
06-08-2007, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Saul I will pay you 1/2 the entry fee and play it for you on agreement of 50/50 on all profits;)

Are you serious? There's no entry fee. And it's on Saturday about 7pm.

gjtango
06-08-2007, 10:57 PM
Just lost an all in call of A10 suited to J4. 10 was first card on flop, he hit J on the river! Small money game but still!!!! :bash: :bash:

saul1664
07-08-2007, 12:51 AM
In $20,000 tournament, down to about 2,000 chips, about half way up the pecking order, all folds to me, two to act behind, A10 spades, push all in to steal the blinds, 1 caller holding A10 offsuit, 4 consecutive clubs give him the flush and I'm out.

oz_da II
07-08-2007, 01:01 AM
Time to start a new thread, "Saul's Bad Beats". :moo:

Billyd
07-08-2007, 01:40 AM
lol yeah i know

Billyd
07-08-2007, 04:31 AM
just into my 6th hour of the poker stars midnight event. Im shattered now cant wait to go to bed

saul1664
07-08-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Time to start a new thread, "Saul's Bad Beats". :moo:

No. Not really bothered. Would quite like to win a tournament on PokerStars though, never seem to get anywhere.

RichieG
07-08-2007, 12:15 PM
Can't say I agree with those of you who want to push AA for 20 big blinds. Potentially riase to 4bb rather than 3 but otherwise the hand was well played.

Pushing 20bb is just playing scared!

Gav The Hamster
07-08-2007, 01:37 PM
we were talking about the guy holding JJ

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 02:42 PM
awghqahgoibnaeroghb

Bubbled £30rebuy last night in Rendezvous in Brighton, bubble didn't burst till 3am and paid nearly £2.5k..... Shoved short stack to blinds with A5 on hijack, get called by AJ, flop 10-5-10 turn-2, River A. GG me :D Was in for £90 with the add on so not the end of the world and from last three live events in past week come 4th, 1st and FT bubble. ZZZZZzzzzzzz

Going to try and play 8hours a day for next week so may see you at the tables PK ;)

Gav The Hamster
07-08-2007, 02:47 PM
ouch, unlucky sam. Was that £2.5k for 1st place ?

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 02:53 PM
Yer, just under or something like that. Wasn't bothered about the bubble, just wanted a load of chips so I could dominate. Don't want to come 6-9th, but 1-4th really. Played well and was pretty card dead the whole time but happy with live game at the moment and that's really what I'm living on so I have to be!

For those that haven't seen this, a good friend of mine, plays as wrongbutton and idestroyu on stars and party 16 tabling 5/10NL. LOL@ the comments below, he really does do that in every session! Jealousy stinks on YOUTUBE! He now rocks a new set up, 1x30" Dell monitor in the middle and 2x24"Dell 'swivel' monitors either side, it's sik!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg-tJZ-nbzI

Gav The Hamster
07-08-2007, 03:04 PM
I honestly dont understand how someone can play that many tables. I assume he has a very small selection of starting hands ? Otherwise he must constantly get timed out on hands and miss certain cards etc... ? Its not like he can play the opponent or the position, merely the strength of his own cards ? Just find it really intriguing !

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 03:28 PM
He uses PokerAceHud, a great product that tracks every players pre flop raising, agression factor, %% in the pot etc. We played just 12 yesterday and he was waiting for tables as he was clicking so quickly. He won't go playing trash and now only plays short handed i.e. 6 players and HU so he has to be even quicker. Something I note off him is his continuation bets. at 5/10 he'll make it 45 to go and will continue with 3/4 of the pot regardless in nearly every hand, it's just pure agression and if he gets repops can pass but much more often than not he was taking it down and takin down the 45 that the caller called.

I think it's just practice Gav. I'm happy with 10 with no worries but when I was doing 18/20 recently it was fricking chaos!

samtheeagle
07-08-2007, 03:33 PM
Doyle Brunson says he raises the flop 90% of the time regardless if he shows any pre flop strength.

Gav The Hamster
07-08-2007, 03:35 PM
I can only imagine the bankroll the guy has !

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 03:43 PM
He's comfortable Gav :) Plays from 3/6 up to 100/200 and up to £5k deep live. His pokertracker stats are savage. Didn't stop him busting out of the £30r before me last night but if your online, and notice him, watch his play, it's superb :)

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 03:44 PM
Oh and he's only 19!

KevTheOptimist
07-08-2007, 03:48 PM
It's that type of 'mechanical poker' that makes me wonder. If you can make a profit out of playing a set of starting hands and with set moves post flop etc, that you must have playing 16 games at a time, and be profitable (which he must be I'm guessing), then what's the point in spending any time analysing any hands and trying to get better.

It's pretty much just a human 'bot' and must be the most boring thing in the world to do.

Gav The Hamster
07-08-2007, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
It's that type of 'mechanical poker' that makes me wonder. If you can make a profit out of playing a set of starting hands and with set moves post flop etc, that you must have playing 16 games at a time, and be profitable (which he must be I'm guessing), then what's the point in spending any time analysing any hands and trying to get better.

It's pretty much just a human 'bot' and must be the most boring thing in the world to do.

I do have to agree with that, but at the same time, if you can make a living playing that way, wouldnt you do it ?

You and me play for a few quid here and there, nothing major, we dont look to make much and at the same time hope not to lose much either. That's where the enjoyment/fun factor comes in for us.

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 04:01 PM
I understand exactly where your coming from Kev, but if your making up to 100k a month, I'm sure you'd do it! I certainly would!

David Amsalem
07-08-2007, 05:46 PM
Just found some time to really play. Level 3 of the Ladders so $33 game.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1343615

How do I stop that happening?

Blinds were only 15/30 and I was first to act so expected a few limpers. Did I not raise enough on the flop?

Maybe I shouldn't have called his all in but after calling those bets, I didn't put him on a club flush draw.

Oh, and not quite the worst play I've seen, still annoying :)

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 05:52 PM
Can you please put the proper HH through Pokerhand please?

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 06:01 PM
Struggling to make it out, but imo many poor areas to the hand. The min raise UTG. As said often myself and many others will play any 2 out of the blinds and even in position to YOU from a min raise. As you can see your in a horrible position being first to speak. After the min raise you flop top pair and stick in 65 when the pots 225 or so, so not even 1/3rd of the pot. I probably call here with any two cards due to the tiny raise and the fact that I have position on you and will try and out play you on the turn. You then bet 250 into a pot of about 420, so just over half the pot. The board is pretty draw heavy on the turn so maybe a pot size bet would have got the FD and whatever else OBI had out of the pot. I don't know the stakes your playing or what those guys' stats are like but in low limits they will always call a small bet in relation to the pot to hit their flush, which is what he does. Finally on the river you stick in 210 into a 950 or so pot, assume it's a value bet but you get re-raised. In my opinion there, due to the reraise you MUST know your behind as due to your low bets let the FD catch up. I don't think your quote at the bottom of poker hand 'THIS IS ME> i can't believe that, that was the worst play i've ever seen' is fair at all, his play was fine and you gave him odds to call at every stage pretty much, his only questionable call was on the flop however as previously mentioned he had position and may have felt he could take the hand away from you on 4th street. Unlucky though :)

SamTheOldGoat
07-08-2007, 06:03 PM
Jeeeeeeeeeeez, first time I've analysed a hand in months!

David Amsalem
07-08-2007, 07:43 PM
I appreicate your comments. Whilst, my comment was harsh, when I said "Oh, and not quite the worst play I've seen, still annoying :) " - that was in relation to that.

It was a $30 game. I personally think his play was poor. Mainly, whilst I wasn't in position, I had a standard hand where I wanted to see the flop. He had J9 with everybody, barring me waiting to play.

I appreicate the comment about outplaying me on the turn, but at my level, I don't think anybody has that in them.

I definately should have bet further on the flop, I think that is the mistake. In hindsight as well, I wish I bet the pot, but at the time, honestly felt that by betting more then half the pot, I would stop him chasing.

Re: calling his all in, yes, a huge mistake. I didn't think he had a flush because I couldn't see him having those cards what with the betting patterns and whilst perhaps it's not following the book, I followed my read as I was certain he never had a flush... but he did... whoops.

I've doubled up for the evening though now so I put the potential big win behind me.

Gav The Hamster
07-08-2007, 10:54 PM
in hindsight, raising both pre and post flop by far larger amounts is the way to go. Why he called post flop only he knows but your bet is not big enough to scare anyone off any kind of hand (not that i would include his hand in that!) By the turn he has outs and odds to call and by the river, you only have 1 pair and are beating pretty much a bluff only and should probably have laid it down.

Bit unlucky, but you should have taken down on flop.

LLCOOLSTEVE
08-08-2007, 12:59 AM
Hate meeting Pocket aces when you have pocket Kings! :(

On the other hand I hate playing Pocket aces!

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 02:02 AM
What? You don't like the best starting hand in poker?

This is how it looks as poker ace hud is running....

http://pokeracesoftware.com/hud/screenshots.php

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 02:04 AM
http://pokeracesoftware.com/images/screenshots/stars.jpg
http://pokeracesoftware.com/images/screenshots/party.jpg

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Hate meeting Pocket aces when you have pocket Kings! :(

On the other hand I hate playing Pocket aces!

:confused: eh?

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 10:54 AM
lol ^^

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 11:28 AM
Pub League Update.

Finished third and kept the final table streak intact (7/7). 40 starters. Should have won. Got to 4 people left, short stack goals all in, one caller, I'm second in chips and look down at KK, push all in, the caller who was chip leader (only just had more than me) calls! Flips over Q9o, I laughed at him and say, "nice one". Anyway Q on the flop and Q on the river and I'm gone, hehehe.

Don't have to show up anymore to qualify for the state final, which is nice... 7 weeks played out of 13 weeks.

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 12:24 PM
GG Oz, wha tdo you get for winning state final?

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 12:50 PM
The guy in charge at our pub reckons it's an entry into a WSOP event and a bunch of perks but as yet the grand prize is yet to be determined. If you get to the final table of the state final you get a seat in the Victorian Poker Championships which has a $3000 entry fee.

http://www.npl.com.au/Promotion.aspx?ID=19

I've already won 4 free dinners so not doing too bad. :moo:

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 03:17 PM
GL Oz. When I next come to OZ, will you take me to Crown? Spent NYE there in 2003 on the S.Yarra river but didn't play cards then!¬

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
GL Oz. When I next come to OZ, will you take me to Crown? Spent NYE there in 2003 on the S.Yarra river but didn't play cards then!¬

Will do, just need about a month's notice (i'm in Adelaide), last visit (last week) was quite profitable. We'll invite my drinks waiter as well. :o

The standard last weekend was terrible, any pair will do with most of them. :p

Billyd
08-08-2007, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE


On the other hand I hate playing Pocket aces!


wierd coz thats my favourite hand

LLCOOLSTEVE
08-08-2007, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
:confused: eh?

sorry, it was late.

I meant I hate having pocket aces.....

saul1664
08-08-2007, 07:55 PM
This was a difficult one. Up to $140 on 0.25/0.50 cash table, everyone suddenly disappears apart from one player who had been playing extremely loose, getting involved in a three way all in in a previous hand playing J9 vs A3 and JA with J on flop (he won the hand when a 9 hit the board).

I then get dealt AA, he raises to $2 from the small blind, I raise to $4, he calls the raise.

Flop comes Jc Qc 2d

He bets out $5.60, I flat call.

Turn comes out 7c, he bets out $15, I call again.

River is something like 4s, he puts me all in for his remaining $31. Due to his loose play I am struggling to put him on a hand, from a range of starting hands I am thinking I am only ahead if he has KK, but reluctantly fold and can't elicit what he had. Had contributed $30 to pot so was it a good or a bad fold?

Incidentally made $22 in next hand when 10 J made trips on the flop and he kept betting into it, including calling a raise after he bet $9 on the river (raised to $18).

Strathclyde Eagle
08-08-2007, 08:24 PM
There is the theory that if you win with Aces you're not winning much, but if you lose with them then you're losing a bunch (see Brunson & Greenstein in the HSP recently on Challenge). Personally they've usually treated me pretty well.

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 08:49 PM
Why's that LL? What DO you like having?

Sweet Oz, who is this waiter?! For those who run PO, do you have livetracker running at the same time. It seems to be great and also runs a POKER ACE HUD application :)

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 08:52 PM
Fellow poker friends, pokertube now has the ESPN coverage of first 8 events of WSOP 2007 by Lon McAron (sp) and the other guy. Sure these wont be out on Challenge for months so check them out :)

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
sorry, it was late.

I meant I hate having pocket aces.....

eh? :confused:

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Sweet Oz, who is this waiter?!

A certain member of the BBS. :clown:
hint: not too popular on the Ashes thread.

Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
For those who run PO, do you have livetracker running at the same time. It seems to be great and also runs a POKER ACE HUD application :)

I keep it running. It's good for various reasons, keeping track of your play during the session, your opponents' play, shows history for any new players showing up to the table and also can help work out pot odds for any marginal decision (used to use that a lot but can figure it out quickly for myself now). I also have it running on other tables I may have open in case I'm able to find more stinky tables.

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
This was a difficult one. Up to $140 on 0.25/0.50 cash table, everyone suddenly disappears apart from one player who had been playing extremely loose, getting involved in a three way all in in a previous hand playing J9 vs A3 and JA with J on flop (he won the hand when a 9 hit the board).

I then get dealt AA, he raises to $2 from the small blind, I raise to $4, he calls the raise.

Flop comes Jc Qc 2d

He bets out $5.60, I flat call.


I might have shoved here, he's got $46 left?

The only thing I can see you losing to at this point is JQ, I wouldn't put him on JJ or QQ. Make him pay for a flush or straight draw. At least raise, we learn nothing from just calling.

bunghole
08-08-2007, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
A certain member of the BBS. :clown:
hint: not too popular on the Ashes thread.

Oisin?

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 11:36 PM
Agree Oz, that's what I was using it for as well.

Not sure on waiter as don't read the Ashes thread. Look forward to having a waiter though :D

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by bunghole
Oisin?

:D :moo:

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 11:40 PM
Agree with Oz, DEFO raising flop, AQ, KQ sound like they are in the range here, some agression i,.e. the raise may get him to check the turn and you can take it down from there or if your really not sure, take the river and decide from there. I'd probably fire the turn which has shown hyper agression on every street, then he's not shoving river you wouldn't have thought,,,,

oz_da II
08-08-2007, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Not sure on waiter as don't read the Ashes thread. Look forward to having a waiter though :D

The drinks waiter has just started up a new Ashes thread today. :o
Two years in advance. :eek:

SamTheOldGoat
08-08-2007, 11:42 PM
Also min raise PF. I think I would have probably made it a bit more....... this is all constructive criticism Saul :)

bunghole
08-08-2007, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
The drinks waiter has just started up a new Ashes thread today. :o
Two years in advance. :eek:

Noted. :D :lux:

LLCOOLSTEVE
09-08-2007, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
eh? :confused:

Its easy to go all in pre flop, but you never win much off of them with a move like that, and letting a hand develop is asking for trouble at times....

dont try and act all clever with your 'eh' posts, jeez.

oz_da II
09-08-2007, 12:49 AM
Didn't make much sense to me.

Just bet enough to make their flush and straight draw chases losing plays. I'd be amazed if any player's database (minimum 50k worth of hands) had any other hand than AA in pole position for most profitable hand.

SamTheOldGoat
09-08-2007, 12:55 AM
Just a strange thing to say LL, would you prefer AQ sooooted?

Full Tilt Poker Game #3194583483: Table Brookview (6 max) - $200/$400 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 20:50:16 ET - 2007/08/08
Seat 2: KaiBuxxe ($154,692)
Seat 3: patatino ($19,766)
Seat 6: jumper17 ($52,277.50)
Pokerface McGee sits down
patatino has 5 seconds left to act
patatino posts the small blind of $200
jumper17 posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Pokerface McGee adds $8,000
KaiBuxxe raises to $1,400
patatino folds
jumper17 calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c 4s]
jumper17 checks
KaiBuxxe bets $2,400
jumper17 raises to $8,000
KaiBuxxe calls $5,600
*** TURN *** [4d 8c 4s] [Ks]
jumper17 has 15 seconds left to act
jumper17 bets $16,000
KaiBuxxe raises to $58,000
jumper17 calls $26,877.50, and is all in
KaiBuxxe shows [5s 5d 7h 3d]
jumper17 shows [Kd Kh Qs 8h]
Uncalled bet of $15,122.50 returned to KaiBuxxe
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c 4s Ks] [Jh]
KaiBuxxe shows two pair, Fives and Fours
jumper17 shows a full house, Kings full of Fours
jumper17 wins the pot ($104,754) with a full house, Kings full of Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $104,755 | Rake $1
Board: [4d 8c 4s Ks Jh]
Seat 2: KaiBuxxe (button) showed [5s 5d 7h 3d] and lost with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 3: patatino (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: jumper17 (big blind) showed [Kd Kh Qs 8h] and won ($104,754) with a full house, Kings full of Fours

saul1664
09-08-2007, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Also min raise PF. I think I would have probably made it a bit more....... this is all constructive criticism Saul :)

It was heads up, so his raise of $2 is met with appropriate raise of $4, if others were in the pot could have raised more.

saul1664
09-08-2007, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Agree with Oz, DEFO raising flop, AQ, KQ sound like they are in the range here, some agression i,.e. the raise may get him to check the turn and you can take it down from there or if your really not sure, take the river and decide from there. I'd probably fire the turn which has shown hyper agression on every street, then he's not shoving river you wouldn't have thought,,,,

You have to understand that this guy was very poor and raising with absolutely anything, which is why I found it so hard to put him on a hand, could even have hit trips with 22 on flop god forbid. If it was a normal player, could probably discount the flush draw, why raise the pot on the flop if you are holding the flush draw, you don't want the other person off the pot, which meant I am looking at JJ, QQ, KK, possibly AQ or JQ, only two of these hands I am ahead?

oz_da II
09-08-2007, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
You have to understand that this guy was very poor and raising with absolutely anything, which is why I found it so hard to put him on a hand, could even have hit trips with 22 on flop god forbid. If it was a normal player, could probably discount the flush draw, why raise the pot on the flop if you are holding the flush draw, you don't want the other person off the pot, which meant I am looking at JJ, QQ, KK, possibly AQ or JQ, only two of these hands I am ahead?

If he's a poor player and raising with anything I would put his range a lot wider than that. I'd add big slick, Qx, Jx, KT, any pocket pair. A lot of people bet at flush and straight draws so I wouldn't discount that either. Not a bad play at times, I'd be happy to take a pot down on the flop with a flush draw.
Wouldn't put him on KK, QQ or JJ surely he's not calling a raise with these two hands? He's going to get excited and re-raise pre-flop?

I think you're in front far more often than behind.

DANCOO
09-08-2007, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
...could probably discount the flush draw, why raise the pot on the flop if you are holding the flush draw, you don't want the other person off the pot...

Once again (not really being a hold'em player anymore), but I like to bet at a flush draw - maybe half the pot.

Firstly, you can often take the pot there and then.
Secondly, it can hold the other player to a call on your terms, rather than just checking and having to call a bigger bet from the other player than you would have liked.
Thirdly, if you hit your flush it often gives you a chance to check-raise as it looks like you didn't like the turn.

RichieG
09-08-2007, 10:41 AM
I tend to bet half the pot at flush draws too, for the same reasons, but I struggle with whether this is +EV.

Only trouble with betting 1/4 pot is it is far too obvious what you've got.

The other question on this is should one do the same with str8 draws even tho' odds are slightly greater.

Thoughts?

KevTheOptimist
09-08-2007, 02:03 PM
Wow, far too much analysis going on here, can we just go back to Saul's bad beats please?

SamTheOldGoat
09-08-2007, 02:55 PM
PMSFL :D

Still haven't put in a proper session online for weeks as been too lazy/busy ;) Playing live is keeping me going though but maybe, just maybe I'll start this weekend, but at present don't feel any real desire to play :(

PoolKing
09-08-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by RichieG

The other question on this is should one do the same with str8 draws even tho' odds are slightly greater.


In my brief mentoring with BadBeat where I was mentored by a professional he emphasised to me to always bet the pot with a straight draw so that when you hit it looks like you were betting the pair and you may induce bluffs.

I can't say I wholeheartedly go along with this, a lot of it will vary upon who you are up against, keep it varied!

saul1664
09-08-2007, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Once again (not really being a hold'em player anymore), but I like to bet at a flush draw - maybe half the pot.

Firstly, you can often take the pot there and then.
Secondly, it can hold the other player to a call on your terms, rather than just checking and having to call a bigger bet from the other player than you would have liked.
Thirdly, if you hit your flush it often gives you a chance to check-raise as it looks like you didn't like the turn.

Yes I bet my flush and straight draws, but the bet on the flop is $5.60 into a $6 pot which is too high, if he wants to keep me in for the flush draw, he needs to bet less?

Zola's Chin
09-08-2007, 10:17 PM
Just won my 6th sit n go on the bounce! In one of those runs where if I put my chips in in front, I win. And when I put them in behind... I still win! In the last game I even called a short stack, who'd pushed all-in for 590 when I'd posted a big blind 0f 300, with 45os. He turned over TT... And I still won!!

Isn't poker a great game?!! :D

For the record, my sharkscope is now showing a 46% ROI through 130 games & my form is rated 'Super Hot!' :lux:

eaglesrus
09-08-2007, 10:35 PM
Is anyone playing the APT european tournament. being held in luton over the bank holiday weekend. I have signed up and am playing on the sunday along with a couple of friends. will be keen to join up with a few people if they are around...

SamTheOldGoat
09-08-2007, 10:42 PM
super stuff Zola, great news, these the $5 ones?