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Strathclyde Eagle
18-08-2007, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Unlucky Kev, these fish hey ;) In reaction to your question, I'll be making raises from hi-jack, cutoff and button often. As Paul says, don;t let your M get too low and if it starts too, get shoving for fold equity :)
I tried something out last weekend a bit similar to this. I'd read Vicky Coren's interview in last month's Inside Poker in which she said about how much blind stealing she did when she won the EPT event in London. She also mentioned that when stealing you're often better off doing so with a hand like 8-6 as if you do get called then at least you've almost certainly got live cards. On a limited amount of evidence I found this can be successful.

I'd also go along with the opinion to count yourself as short-stacked when you're down to ten big blinds, not fewer. At that point I've only got one move - all-in.

SamTheOldGoat
18-08-2007, 12:20 PM
Completley agree with that mate, a hand like 45 of diamonds or 89 o.s and then often the raise may be called by the out of position player in sb or bb with at least one high card. Gl pal :)

SamTheOldGoat
18-08-2007, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
don't worry Kev - Sam's lost me with everything except the fold equity there too haha!

(fold equity - effectively means the more you push with the higher the probability you'll win cos they all fold)

When I mention M, it's basically cost per round (CPR) as 'KILL PHILL' puts it. So if the blinds are 100/200 with no ante and a 3k stack, your M is 10. Pretty easy and good to work out how your doing in relation to the blinds. Cut off is the position before the button and hijack one before that :)

SamTheOldGoat
18-08-2007, 03:46 PM
wow

Full Tilt Poker Game #3280802568: Table Colleen (heads up) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:16:56 ET - 2007/08/17
Seat 1: WaterIntoWine ($125,892)
Seat 2: IDreamOfJenna ($40,200)
IDreamOfJenna posts the small blind of $200
WaterIntoWine posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
IDreamOfJenna raises to $1,200
WaterIntoWine calls $800
*** FLOP *** [Ac 5h 8d]
WaterIntoWine checks
IDreamOfJenna checks
*** TURN *** [Ac 5h 8d] [Qc]
WaterIntoWine bets $2,400
IDreamOfJenna raises to $6,400
WaterIntoWine has 15 seconds left to act
WaterIntoWine raises to $13,750
IDreamOfJenna calls $7,350
*** RIVER *** [Ac 5h 8d Qc] [Qd]
WaterIntoWine has 15 seconds left to act
WaterIntoWine checks
IDreamOfJenna bets $18,800
WaterIntoWine has 15 seconds left to act
WaterIntoWine has requested TIME
WaterIntoWine calls $18,800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IDreamOfJenna shows [Tc 3c] a pair of Queens
WaterIntoWine shows [Ts Js] a pair of Queens
WaterIntoWine wins the pot ($67,499.50) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $67,500 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Ac 5h 8d Qc Qd]
Seat 1: WaterIntoWine (big blind) showed [Ts Js] and won ($67,499.50) with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: IDreamOfJenna (small blind) showed [Tc 3c] and lost with a pair of Queens

SamTheOldGoat
18-08-2007, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Haha - you can tell I was tired - I thought i came 4th!!

That tourney had a different payout structure to full tilts standard for some reason - paid all the way down to 180 for 1188 runners.

was an interesting tournament though and hard work at times. At one stage reasonably deep into it, and hefty blinds, I had four successive blind steals reraised allin when I couldn't realistically call - was getting a tad irritable!! One guy did it on three successive hands (was still there when I busted). I always like to try again next hand when I have had a steal thwarted cos I think it looks like its gotta be real if you've just been caught - so I thought the third in a row HAD to look real...and he still did me!

Yer, noticed the time Paul and thought that would be the case! ul on the blind steasl :bash: :D

oz_da II
18-08-2007, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by ozeagle
forget the house, just double my 300 again next Sat ;)

:p

Ooops, I thought it was this Saturday.:clown:

Huge waiting list anyway, didn't get on.
Need to extend thier "poker room", 10 tables isn't enough.

DANCOO
18-08-2007, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Cut off is the position before the button and hijack one before that :)

I thought it was a typo, and you had meant to type jack high. :moo:

SamTheOldGoat
18-08-2007, 05:54 PM
:D

saul1664
18-08-2007, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
That's not a race! You got lucky with your 3 outer ;)

Well it's a race when you know you push with AQ and you get a call you are likely to be up against a pair or AK, didn't expect to see Kings as no pre flop raise.

I think the hand that screwed me was holding AJ, found a board of A Q 7, made a continuation bet on the flop another Q came, and found he ended up holding QK for trip queens so ended with about 6K from 18K, and then when they split the two tables 5 and 5, I got the 4 highest players 1 on 100K, 1 on 70K, the other two on 40K and 28K, which made it virtually impossible to play a hand.

Paul Romain
18-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Well it's a race when you know you push with AQ and you get a call you are likely to be up against a pair or AK, didn't expect to see Kings as no pre flop raise.

technically AQ/AK or pair is not a race. AQ against KJ is a race

Paul Romain
18-08-2007, 10:08 PM
well the bubble has burst. A stunning performance in the $100 satellite to Full Tilt $500 Main Event....

574th.....of 574 lol!

saul1664
18-08-2007, 10:58 PM
Out fairly early in tournament tonight. The curse of QQ strikes again (and didn't take my own advice on what you are likely to get called by).

Had about 2.6K in chips, blinds 50/100, I'm in late position, two minimum raises from mid position and a few limpers. Push all in from late position to take the blinds, both reraise all in.

My QQ ends up against KK and AA and tourney is over.

SamTheOldGoat
19-08-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
technically AQ/AK or pair is not a race. AQ against KJ is a race

Indeed, well a 60/40 :)

SamTheOldGoat
19-08-2007, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
well the bubble has burst. A stunning performance in the $100 satellite to Full Tilt $500 Main Event....

574th.....of 574 lol!

:D

Paul Romain
19-08-2007, 09:41 PM
Full Tilt 2Million guarantee starting soon. Heres hoping for a long night !

SamTheOldGoat
19-08-2007, 10:35 PM
GL Paul, bed for me now :(

Paul Romain
20-08-2007, 03:06 AM
I could jump off a tall building. 723rd of 4528 starters. Cash started at $750 for 648th

Pushed with AK got called by A8 . Flop comes A88

5 hours of hard work ....oh well, back to the $24 satellites. Aussie Millions next

SamTheOldGoat
20-08-2007, 05:05 PM
:( UL

KevTheOptimist
20-08-2007, 07:27 PM
I'm dissappointed Paul.

Must do better.

Reps AJ
20-08-2007, 07:33 PM
Don't you just love it when your luck changes :) Compared to the other night when I was getting killed, its a nice change 2 hands tonight sum it up, both SnGs...

My UTG all-in with 4 left with A9 meets AA... Oops... till I hit a straight on the river :D

Short stacked in another so call another short stacks allin with 44 and get another called. They have Ak and 33... flop comes A23 to leave me in trouble till a 5 pops out on the river

4 SnGs tonight and 3 first places :p

Paul Romain
20-08-2007, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I'm dissappointed Paul.

Must do better.

I will write out 500 times

I must not bottle it in big tournaments
I must not bottle it in big tournaments
I must not bottle it in big tournaments :D

gjtango
20-08-2007, 10:41 PM
Just played a 5.50 Thunderstorm game on Will Hill. I get AQ suited pre flop (blinds 25/50). Raise it to 250. One caller goes all in. I call, he turns over pocket 10's. Flop reveals A77, then a 10 on the turn. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

DANCOO
20-08-2007, 10:43 PM
Best hand won then.

Chester
20-08-2007, 10:50 PM
Who do people reccomend as a free poker site to start off with nline. I fee i need some practice before heamoraging all my cash away.

gjtango
20-08-2007, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Best hand won then.

Yes; but to hit the A then see two nothing cards come up you'd think you'd be in.

Eagle Of Cray
20-08-2007, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Who do people reccomend as a free poker site to start off with nline. I fee i need some practice before heamoraging all my cash away.

Just Google 'poker freerolls' you'll find plenty of them. Ladbrokes & Bet365 seem to run a fair few throughout the day.

oz_da II
21-08-2007, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by gjtango
Just played a 5.50 Thunderstorm game on Will Hill. I get AQ suited pre flop (blinds 25/50). Raise it to 250. One caller goes all in. I call, he turns over pocket 10's. Flop reveals A77, then a 10 on the turn. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Quite a stinky call so early in the tournament (unless you have history on him) especially if he flips over AK, KK, AA or QQ the only hands you are dominating is ace-rag.

Strathclyde Eagle
21-08-2007, 06:46 AM
I think gj and Saul should have a game heads-up and let us know when they're having it so we can all watch. :D

Strathclyde Eagle
21-08-2007, 07:25 AM
BTW, is AJ vs K10 pre-flop one of those 60/40 matchups?

RichieG
21-08-2007, 07:34 AM
Assuming no shared suits;

AsJc: 62.39%
Kd10h: 37.24%
Split: 0.37%

http://www.pokerplayermagazine.co.uk/front_website/pokerodds/

Paul Romain
21-08-2007, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by gjtango
Just played a 5.50 Thunderstorm game on Will Hill. I get AQ suited pre flop (blinds 25/50). Raise it to 250. One caller goes all in. I call, he turns over pocket 10's. Flop reveals A77, then a 10 on the turn. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Whats a thunderstorm? 5BB is a pretty big raise with AQ - if you get a called you're probably behind unless its a shortstack looking to double who might call with Ax. I'm not sure I would be calling that allin unless I had the chips well covered otherwise as you're going to be no better than coin flip (as was the case)

Paul Romain
21-08-2007, 10:38 AM
further to that....if i guess right that a thunderstorm is some sort of short levels structure then I guess you might want to gamble early - but again 25/50 is early doors in a tournament and you don't really want to be getting into coin flip situations if its going to cripple or bust you to lose. My experience is that you have more time than you think even in "turbo" tournaments

KevTheOptimist
21-08-2007, 11:17 AM
There are some sites where you get $10 free to play with no questions asked.

I think one of them is king solomens if you register via the big slick website - www.bigslick.co.uk. There are a couple of others but I can't think at the moment.

Paul Romain
21-08-2007, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Who do people reccomend as a free poker site to start off with nline. I fee i need some practice before heamoraging all my cash away.

I play at Full Tilt which has plenty of free tournaments and play money tables - but there are plenty of micro limit tables to play at too if you want to have a little proper involvement at least!

Full Tilt also has by far the best poker software that I have found (imo of course) easy to use unlike some other sites which are a visual nightmare. Good tips and articles on the website too

RichieG
21-08-2007, 02:37 PM
Free poker is not poker (IMHO). The game is meaningless if you're not playing for money, and you will pick up bad habits if you play it for too long, I would use the free tables just to make sure you're comfortable with the software and move to micro limit cash tables or $1/$2 tournaments as soon as you can.

Chester
21-08-2007, 03:02 PM
That was my aim, I am just trying to find one that I feel comforatble with at the moment and get used to the layout, play etc

saul1664
21-08-2007, 03:32 PM
Use Poker Stars. Plenty of $1 tournaments and 180 man sit and gos.

Strathclyde Eagle
21-08-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by RichieG
Assuming no shared suits;

AsJc: 62.39%
Kd10h: 37.24%
Split: 0.37%

http://www.pokerplayermagazine.co.uk/front_website/pokerodds/
I think people can guess which side of that I was on, and what the eventual outcome was. :D

Thanks for the link Richie, seems like I was searching for the wrong thing as Google kept giving me links for being dealt a pair pre-flop, making a pair on the flop, etc.

SamTheOldGoat
21-08-2007, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
BTW, is AJ vs K10 pre-flop one of those 60/40 matchups?

Yer, about that chap :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-08-2007, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Yes; but to hit the A then see two nothing cards come up you'd think you'd be in.

Just don't imagine a flop[ turn or river. Imagine all 5 cards being laid out at once.....

DANCOO
21-08-2007, 04:48 PM
Right, who's up for a tourney tomorrow evening @20:00 for a bit of fun?

$10 entry?

I can play Laddies, PS or maybe PP?

No excuses.

SamTheOldGoat
21-08-2007, 05:20 PM
England V Germany?

DANCOO
21-08-2007, 05:28 PM
Is that tomorrow, I didn't realise?

OK, Thursday?

KevTheOptimist
21-08-2007, 05:59 PM
uys, lets do Laddies on Thursday then? Later the better suits me but could probably squeeze in a $10 sng at anytime....

KevTheOptimist
21-08-2007, 06:01 PM
Who woul dbe up for one? Doesn't even need to be a private table if we're all on the ball and quick enough...

SamTheOldGoat
21-08-2007, 07:03 PM
Don't let others get in there, just make a private table if you get a chance. The later the better for me would be great :)

KevTheOptimist
21-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Right so that's:

DANCOO
STOG
Me

I reckon I could rope in the hamster scum bag.

Any other takers (strath, se1 etc etc)??

DANCOO
21-08-2007, 07:24 PM
What site are we going for?

DANCOO
21-08-2007, 11:34 PM
I will now jinx myself.

Final table, chip leader, 6 remaining of hi/lo mtt.

DANCOO
21-08-2007, 11:56 PM
3rd - very bad call with 2nd low. :(

saul1664
22-08-2007, 12:12 AM
Fecking poker stars. 180 sit and go in 23rd with 28 left, but about 5000 chips, blinds 200/400 and antes. Raised to 850, I see AQ suited in front of me, call and board hits Q 10 10, bet 600, get a flat call, turn is 2, with two diamonds on the board. Other guy checks, I push him all in which is at the time about 3,200. He calls, with J A on flush draw. River K of diamonds, then tells me I gave him pot odds. Wtf?

gjtango
22-08-2007, 01:45 AM
I might aswell quit playing poker.

Just played a 180 man Poker Stars tournament, was down to 29 people, I was in 27th with 1700 odd chips. Get JJ pre flop, call allin, one caller (guy with 21k chips). He turns over 77. Low and behold the first card out on the flop is a 7, and no jack comes. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

I'm so upset this has happened a good 4/5 times already this week.

oz_da II
22-08-2007, 04:17 AM
You should be focussing on why you only have 1700 chips at this point in the tournament rather than focussing on "bad beats".

DANCOO
22-08-2007, 07:31 AM
gjtango, if you haven't already, I would really advise you picking up a poker strategy book. I doubt there is not one person who regularly posts on this thread who does not have at least a couple.

Gav The Hamster
22-08-2007, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by gjtango
I might aswell quit playing poker.

I think your right.

I'm sure you win hands when you're a big underdog pre flop but dont post them in here.

Sure that hand is a baddish beat, but if you expect a guy who has that many chips to fold 77 to you're all in with 1700 chips then I'd defo stop playing.

Gav The Hamster
22-08-2007, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Right so that's:

DANCOO
STOG
Me

I reckon I could rope in the hamster scum bag.

Any other takers (strath, se1 etc etc)??

sorry mate, in Chichester with work til Thursday evening with no connection.....count me out.

RichieG
22-08-2007, 07:53 AM
If you play between 8 & 9pm on Thursday and it's on Laddies I'll play. Not on the net much between now and then though, so I'll have a peek on here when I get home Thursday and join in if possible.

Strathclyde Eagle
22-08-2007, 08:00 AM
Picking my best mate up from the airport tomorrow night, sorry guys.

RichieG
22-08-2007, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Fecking poker stars. 180 sit and go in 23rd with 28 left, but about 5000 chips, blinds 200/400 and antes. Raised to 850, I see AQ suited in front of me, call and board hits Q 10 10, bet 600, get a flat call, turn is 2, with two diamonds on the board. Other guy checks, I push him all in which is at the time about 3,200. He calls, with J A on flush draw. River K of diamonds, then tells me I gave him pot odds. Wtf?

It's closer than you think, though you are right, he didn't quite have the odds. He does potentially have 16 outs as he's drawing to the straight and the flush + could consider the three remaining aces as outs (although obviously we know they're not, because you have one and you have hit your kicker)

So the pot offers him 2.1 and he thinks he's 2.9 to hit.

saul1664
22-08-2007, 09:14 AM
I hate going out that way. He knows he's dominated, its costing him a 3rd of a 10,000 chip stack to call. He has to put me on at least the Q, so he knows his overcards are dominated?

saul1664
22-08-2007, 09:17 AM
Mind you the standard of play was pretty poor. Two hands in play, JJ raises to about 800, K8 offsuit re-raises to 2800, JJ is short stacked and pushes all in to about another 3000. K8 sits there for ages and calls. K comes out on flop. :eek:

He says oh my re-raise was too big so I was pot committed (he had 4.5K left).

se1eagle
22-08-2007, 10:43 AM
I'd really be up for this (even though I'm crap at tournament play) but I can't make this Thursday, would be able to make a night next week if people fancy a repeat match.

Paul Romain
22-08-2007, 11:10 AM
You want to hear the mother of all bad beats?

I raise 4BB in early position with AKs and get called by Big Blind. Flop comes K 7 3. I bet the pot and Big Blind reraises me all in. I call

He turns over 10 5 off suit. No really ...he does.

Turn 5
River 5

End of tournament....laptop narrowly escapes being hurled against wall

KevTheOptimist
22-08-2007, 11:14 AM
Several times that's happened to me wheresomeone has made a move, I've called with either a pair or a hand that's clearly winning only for the turn and river to give him a winning hand from nothing.

However, I don't get quite so upset at these beats on the basis that fair play he tried to bluff me and got lucky.....

The ones that get me are the to$$ers that call you down on a hope and prayer and then hit......

Paul Romain
22-08-2007, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Several times that's happened to me wheresomeone has made a move, I've called with either a pair or a hand that's clearly winning only for the turn and river to give him a winning hand from nothing.

However, I don't get quite so upset at these beats on the basis that fair play he tried to bluff me and got lucky.....

The ones that get me are the to$$ers that call you down on a hope and prayer and then hit......

Flat calling an early position raise with 10 5 and then reraising when I'm showing I've hit my hand isn't a bluff its stupidity. Reraising the initial raise might have been more reasonable but even then as I was early position I was unlikely to be on a steal. If he wanted to make that move it was a stupid time to try it. Rank bad play rewarded.

gjtango
22-08-2007, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
I think your right.

I'm sure you win hands when you're a big underdog pre flop but dont post them in here.

Sure that hand is a baddish beat, but if you expect a guy who has that many chips to fold 77 to you're all in with 1700 chips then I'd defo stop playing.

I don't, it's just typical that I'm getting constantly beaten by lower value pockets to my pockets on allin calls.

gjtango
22-08-2007, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
You should be focussing on why you only have 1700 chips at this point in the tournament rather than focussing on "bad beats".

Agree I need to address this.

gjtango
22-08-2007, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
gjtango, if you haven't already, I would really advise you picking up a poker strategy book. I doubt there is not one person who regularly posts on this thread who does not have at least a couple.

I want to buy on ASAP. What is the best 2/3 books to recommend? I know there's loads out there. I play no limit texas holdem.

DANCOO
22-08-2007, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
I want to buy on ASAP. What is the best 2/3 books to recommend? I know there's loads out there. I play no limit texas holdem.

Doyle Brunson Super System II.

You'll hear a lot of people recommend this book, in fact, recommending it has almost become a cliche in itself, but it is definately a good investment.
Even if his style of play doesn't suit you, it will give you a big insight in to how a lot of other people play, along with covering a lot of basics.
I've not read it for a while, so can't remember how much it concentrates on cash v tourney play.

Dan Harrington - Harrington on Hold'em.

Once again, not read in a while, but it focuses purely (I think), on Hold'em tournament play.
Definately a safer style of play for the beginner, with lots of real life hand samples.

I would advise getting them both.

gjtango
22-08-2007, 01:08 PM
Cheers will do.

oz_da II
22-08-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Agree I need to address this.

Post up some hands where you're not sure what the correct play is and less tearful bad beat stories. (they're getting a bit dull)

;)

Son of Selhurst
22-08-2007, 04:30 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNz-Duyx3Lc&mode=related&search=

SamTheOldGoat
22-08-2007, 05:19 PM
Two requests. Can people at least try and put up full hand histories so it';s easy to read and no mistakes can be made by the 'author' and can people drop the bad beatzzzzzzzzzz unless they are super sick. I'm sure you stick them on others' too, ;)

As Dan says, Harrington on Holdem 1/2 not 3. Supersystem too. Good luck GJ :)

Dan, how about setting the tourny up for sometime next week so we all can download software, try it adn we know when it's goign to be, really looking forward to it mate :)

SamTheOldGoat
22-08-2007, 05:21 PM
HH can be requested immediately on most/all sites :)

SamTheOldGoat
22-08-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Sorry if this has been posted before....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNz-Duyx3Lc&mode=related&search=

THAT IS THE SICKEST HAND I'VE EVER SEEN! AMAZING

Chester
22-08-2007, 05:29 PM
Watched quite and amusing one last night from the opening rounds of this years WSOP with the Aussie who won it a few years ago.

Both went all in, he flips over AK and the other guy AA. Starts putting on his jacket when the flop is revealed and it is QJ10. The look on both of their faces was a peach.

eaglesrus
22-08-2007, 05:38 PM
Would be keen to play in a tournament if someone sets one up. Am free on Wednesday if I could suggest that as an option!

On my count down to Luton now. Played online on Monday and won the 3 William Hill Bounty Huner. 180 for a couple of hours work keeps me going. I have to admit that I had Aces 3 times. Hope I continue getting the cards at the weekend!

SamTheOldGoat
22-08-2007, 05:38 PM
Joe Hachem? Any link to vid Chester ? :)

Chester
22-08-2007, 05:40 PM
ill have a hunt for you

SamTheOldGoat
22-08-2007, 05:42 PM
GL Eagles. Moving to Cardiff in a few weeks so the casino we went to there will be my new 'local'! Roll on the next one!

eaglesrus
22-08-2007, 06:01 PM
Was quite a nice casino. I think the next APAT tournament is going to be in Birmingham so you should come over. Belive that will be in October time.

Will let you know how I get on. 3 of my firends are also playing so were going to have a bit of a mini competition!

DANCOO
22-08-2007, 07:38 PM
I'm happy to move it to next week if it means getting a few more players.

Everyone happy to use Laddies?

Most evenings are good for me after around 19:30

KevTheOptimist
22-08-2007, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Flat calling an early position raise with 10 5 and then reraising when I'm showing I've hit my hand isn't a bluff its stupidity. Reraising the initial raise might have been more reasonable but even then as I was early position I was unlikely to be on a steal. If he wanted to make that move it was a stupid time to try it. Rank bad play rewarded.

In my limited tourney experience I;ve seen many players defend their BB to raises. I'm not defending him as its not something I'm capable of but calling the raise then re raising is pure aggressive poker.

I still dont think thats as hard to sallow as say getting called down with K3 chasing a flush for the 3 to trip up on the river etc...

se1eagle
22-08-2007, 10:19 PM
I'm happy to use Laddies, already have an account.

The weirdest thing just happened - I'm a bit freaked out - I was four-tabling 50NL and rolling a cigarette at the same time (bad idea I know). I had QQ and got sucked out and the very next hand got QQ on another table. I then opened the hand history to look at the suckout on the original table and somehow misread the hand and proceeded to play Q6o genuinely thinking it was QQ. I three-bet preflop and shoved all-in on the flop for my remaining $16 on a jack-high flop, and only realised when the pot was shipped to the caller with AQ. I shut my tables as my brain's not working properly! First time I've ever done this, and frankly astonished with myself. :eek: :eek:

Strathclyde Eagle
22-08-2007, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Two requests. Can people at least try and put up full hand histories so it';s easy to read and no mistakes can be made by the 'author'
I've understood every word of every hand that everyone has ever posted on this thread. ;)

More seriously, it's a doddle to do, except for live play (obviously).

Paul Romain
22-08-2007, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
In my limited tourney experience I;ve seen many players defend their BB to raises. I'm not defending him as its not something I'm capable of but calling the raise then re raising is pure aggressive poker.

Can't agree Kev sorry. Understand all about aggressive poker defending blinds, I do it myself. But, and its a big but, if you're defending with 10 5 off you really want to be reraising someone off their steal and preferably not flatcalling someone playing from early position (who probably has a hand) letting them hit their hand and then reraising all in with no idea where you are

saul1664
22-08-2007, 11:13 PM
Having one of those days where I can't hit anything, and when I get a premium hand, everyone folds around to me. Not very good.

Worst of all in $25 9 man sit and go. Blinds only 15/30, get QQ, person two seats before me raises to 120, second reraises to 405, I call all in (loose I know) and they both call. End up quite happy to see AK AJ in front of me, there's a J on the turn, unforunately a heart on the river to give AJ unlikely flush leaving me short stacked. Battle back well and steal blinds. Unfortunately one of my raises gets pushed all in with blinds 50/100. I'm holding 10 A suited and only 650 chips left so I call, he turns over 99, I hit two diamonds on the turn for flush draw and have 15 outs. River misses completely and I miss the money.

Reps AJ
22-08-2007, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Two requests. Can people at least try and put up full hand histories so it';s easy to read and no mistakes can be made by the 'author' and can people drop the bad beatzzzzzzzzzz unless they are super sick. I'm sure you stick them on others' too, ;)

No offence Sam (and I mean this honestly) some of the most incomprehensible posts on this thread are yours! I wouldn't have bought it up but seeing as you did... I don't mean the hand histories but some of your other comments can be difficult to read - you've got loads of good stuff to say:p

gjtango
23-08-2007, 12:40 AM
Ok here's one for you guys. Poker Stars, blinds 20/40. Pre-flop, I guy with 2000 or so chips calls all in. The guy next to him holding 5000 odd chips calls him. I have 1400 odd chips and AJ suited in my hand. I fold (albeit reluctantly?), assuming both to be holding high pocket pairs. The immediate allin caller shows KK, the other guy A10. The A10 caller hits an ace on the flop and that's that. Should I have called or was I correct to fold in this instance bearing in mind I was short stacked out of a potential 3 callers?

oz_da II
23-08-2007, 01:35 AM
Easy fold.
20/40 blinds indicates it is very early (no need to panic at all) and you are never in front here, as shown.

Paul Romain
23-08-2007, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by gjtango
Ok here's one for you guys. Poker Stars, blinds 20/40. Pre-flop, I guy with 2000 or so chips calls all in. The guy next to him holding 5000 odd chips calls him. I have 1400 odd chips and AJ suited in my hand. I fold (albeit reluctantly?), assuming both to be holding high pocket pairs. The immediate allin caller shows KK, the other guy A10. The A10 caller hits an ace on the flop and that's that. Should I have called or was I correct to fold in this instance bearing in mind I was short stacked out of a potential 3 callers?

you got more than 30 blinds left so no need to play with your tournament life in a hand you couldnt hope to be a favourite in and more likely to be dominated by one if not both. Easy fold

Chester
23-08-2007, 02:55 AM
Can I just add never play with your cat that has a fondness for keyboards near by.

v soon to be Ex cat......

DANCOO
23-08-2007, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by gjtango
Ok here's one for you guys. Poker Stars, blinds 20/40. Pre-flop, I guy with 2000 or so chips calls all in. The guy next to him holding 5000 odd chips calls him. I have 1400 odd chips and AJ suited in my hand. I fold (albeit reluctantly?), assuming both to be holding high pocket pairs. The immediate allin caller shows KK, the other guy A10. The A10 caller hits an ace on the flop and that's that. Should I have called or was I correct to fold in this instance bearing in mind I was short stacked out of a potential 3 callers?

Opening with AJ on a full/nearly full longhand table, early in a tournament - my opinion.

AJos UTG - bin
AJs UTG - limp
AJos mid pos - limp
AJs mid pos - limp 50%, raise 50%
AJos late pos - limp 50%, raise 50%
AJs late pos - limp 10%, raise 90%

This is generally speaking, and allowances would be made for who was next to act, stack sizes, betting already opened...etc...

More aggressive players will play that starting hand differently, as will more passive players.

What you have to remember aswell (I assume that was something like a $5 tourney?), that type of play you mentioned happens less and less the higher up you go in stakes, and at the really big buy-ins is virtually non-existent.

BTW, 1400 chips at 20/40 isn't really short stacked.

Assuming the levels started at 10/20, you've done nearly a third of your stack by level 2. Unless you were just very unlucky on a couple of hands leading up to that, I would say you need to tighten up your play in the early stages - that is if starting chips are 2000, if they are 1500 then it's fine.

Strathclyde Eagle
23-08-2007, 07:44 AM
Just as long as no-one criticises raising with AJ on the button in the mid-levels when your table is four-handed all other comments are fine. :D

SamTheOldGoat
23-08-2007, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
No offence Sam (and I mean this honestly) some of the most incomprehensible posts on this thread are yours! I wouldn't have bought it up but seeing as you did... I don't mean the hand histories but some of your other comments can be difficult to read - you've got loads of good stuff to say:p

No offence taken chap! ;) I'll take it on board! If I use 'lingo' I'll try and explain what it means and hopefully others can do likewise and then we'll all broaden our 'knowledge'! Jeez, with all these speech marks make me feel like Trolley!

This threads in good form at the moment, loads of HH's and analysis and bad beats! What's more to life :D

On another note, stuck $2k on Stars with Leon, less than 20 buy ins into 109$ sngs and this week will play every night together. Last time we did this we came away $3.8k up in a week so hopefully will do the same, still haven't played online really as been too busy but I'm going to get back in it and tracking on Office from this weekend, promise :p

SamTheOldGoat
23-08-2007, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Just as long as no-one criticises raising with AJ on the button in the mid-levels when your table is four-handed all other comments are fine. :D

;) : D

Zola's Chin
23-08-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by gjtango
Ok here's one for you guys. Poker Stars, blinds 20/40. Pre-flop, I guy with 2000 or so chips calls all in. The guy next to him holding 5000 odd chips calls him. I have 1400 odd chips and AJ suited in my hand. I fold (albeit reluctantly?), assuming both to be holding high pocket pairs. The immediate allin caller shows KK, the other guy A10. The A10 caller hits an ace on the flop and that's that. Should I have called or was I correct to fold in this instance bearing in mind I was short stacked out of a potential 3 callers?

Folding was absoutely the correct decision. Don't make the mistake of beating yourself up 'cos you would've ultimately won the hand or you may be more tempted to call in a similar situation in future.

In the scenario you describe, you should only be calling with AA or KK in my opinion. QQ possibly, if you've noticed weak/loose play from the other players involved.

saul1664
24-08-2007, 01:26 AM
Finished 6th in 128 runner turbo tourney, always feel a bit cheated if I don't make at least the top 4 places, as 6th place prize money isn't great compared to the top 3 or 4. Had to push with QK suited, and got called by 66.

Two hearts on flop, open ended straight draw on turn giving me 23 outs, but river is the third 6 to rub it in. Nothing you can do on final table of turbo tournaments, it's all luck and 52 vs 48% races most of the time.

Had good solid play rewarded on cash tables as well so a good day.

Was involved in a bizarre hand. I have Jx, board comes out 4JJQQ, guy in first position raises to $4.80, which I call as there is enough in the pot to make it worth the call (though I suspect he has the Q as it's a nice enough size bet to ilicit a call), guy in last position re-raises all-in. Insta fold from me as I have to be beat, first caller instantly calls.

He turns over the Q as expected, guy who pushed him all in shows A3 offsuit. Surely couldn't have thought JJQQ A kicker was any good?

se1eagle
24-08-2007, 08:35 AM
Signed up an account with Ultimate Bet to go with my Full Tilt account - I now have $1090 bonus dollars to earn, very slowly! So far the 50NL and 25NL standard of play definitely seems worse than FT - a higher percentage of that type of fish who stack off calling all the way down to the river with AK high.

RichieG
24-08-2007, 10:13 AM
How do people rate the standard of play on Laddies 20NL? Would be interested to know if there is somewhere significantly softer.

KevTheOptimist
24-08-2007, 11:50 AM
It may be a cliche but Laddies is full to the brim with scandanavian nutters. Held together by around 20% tighter than a ducks ar$e englishmen.

The net result is:

A - THere are a lot of bad beats due to nutty scandies raising with nothing and calling with rubbish draws all the time. Due to the shear number of them doing it the 'bad beats' are more regular BUT no more regular than on any other site with random generated hands, you just tend to see them more due to the style of play.

B - If you get on a table with mainly English players, you will get action but I wouldn't say it was 'easy' money.

Personally I don't mind playing nutty scandies as it suits my new style of play. I also don't mind tables of english playing a bit tighter as that allows more to play more aggressive. All in all I'm quite happy with Laddies at the moment.

P..s by 20NL do you mean 0.10/0.20 blinds? Or 20NL SnGs? If Sngs then ignore all of the above.

RichieG
24-08-2007, 01:24 PM
Agree with you about Laddies, which I'm pretty familiar with (yes I did mean .1/.2 blinds), I hear Stars is tighter, just wondered about Party / Full Tilt etc.

KevTheOptimist
24-08-2007, 01:55 PM
Stars IMO is the toughest I've played on. Party is weird, I'm sure there is money to be made but I think I get carried away with the mickey mouse software and start to treat it like a game rather than being for real money.....

FT - no idea

saul1664
24-08-2007, 02:41 PM
$25 9 man sit and go

blinds 15/30, get 66 limp in flop JK6, get all chips in on turn when 2 hits and I get significantly raised, he turns over K6 for two pair, river K. No getting away from that one.

KevTheOptimist
24-08-2007, 02:55 PM
Yawn.

lol

saul1664
24-08-2007, 03:04 PM
I know. Just fed up after playing good solid poker this morning and making a nice profit to having it wiped out in seconds. Still thats variance for you.

Gav The Hamster
24-08-2007, 03:09 PM
15/30 blinds and ALL your chips are in ? Isnt that the first level ?

saul1664
24-08-2007, 03:18 PM
2nd

KevTheOptimist
24-08-2007, 03:45 PM
To be fair Gav, you've got to think you're winning having made a set with no straight or flush possibilities so Saul did very well to get all his money in at the stage regardless of the binds.

Got v unlucky, what can you do.....

SamTheOldGoat
24-08-2007, 03:48 PM
Off to watch Lion King in London, do London Eye and going to play some cards hopefully at Vic :)

Can someone set up this tourny for next week so people can get in and we can bring in some numbers! A few tables of people would be ace, and I don't have Laddies just yet, just a Stars/Stan James player/Party atm :)

Gav The Hamster
24-08-2007, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Got v unlucky, what can you do.....

......moan on the BBS ?

;)

KevTheOptimist
24-08-2007, 03:53 PM
GET ON LADDIES STOG.

Will take 5 mins and the min deposit is 5. No excuses!

saul1664
24-08-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
......moan on the BBS ?

;)

Must be having one of those days. Just lost a whole buy in on cash game. 0.25/0.50, raiser from early position raises 3.5x BB, I call with 67 suited, flop comes down 773, he bets out the flop, put him on a mid to medium pair with the way the board comes down, so when he raises to $15 on the river with no high cards on the board and no apparent danger, I reraise him all in and he calls with 78 (offsuit). Never ever put him on that sort of hand.

Reps AJ
24-08-2007, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Must be having one of those days. Just lost a whole buy in on cash game. 0.25/0.50, raiser from early position raises 3.5x BB, I call with 67 suited, flop comes down 773, he bets out the flop, put him on a mid to medium pair with the way the board comes down, so when he raises to $15 on the river with no high cards on the board and no apparent danger, I reraise him all in and he calls with 78 (offsuit). Never ever put him on that sort of hand.

Just lost in a SnG, down to last three and massive blinds. I call his raise and check the flop despite pairing my As knowing that he'd push which he does I call and am happy to see his JJ. Not so happy to see the J on the turn though :grrr:

Mind you I did survive just before with a split pot with my 84os against the other guys 86os :D

Reps AJ
24-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Sharkscope is 100% accurate from everything I have every done or used SNG wise. OFFICIAL POKER RANKINGS is for MTT tournaments while Sharkscope is for SNGS'. At present there is no records for cash games :)

How does everybody else find sharkscope?

I only ask as I've been using it to follow my SnG progress on a particular site and I'm pretty sure its missing some games - I only play SnGs on this site and only since about June, so I know everything in my account is from them.

I've already withdrawn my original deposit plus some more profit and I've still got more in there than sharkscope says my profit is - so I'd estimate sharkscope is about $250-300 off what my actual profit is

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 12:25 AM
Sweeeeeeet. :cool:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1407046

RichieG
25-08-2007, 02:34 PM
Now that's nice! Fishy game though....

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 03:35 PM
What cristina10 was doing anywhere near a computer, let alone that hand, I will never know.

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by RichieG
Now that's nice! Fishy game though....

I never have more fun losing money than when I'm playing hi/lo. :D

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 06:56 PM
Don't you just love it when you **** up someone who has been really annoying you :D

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 07:36 PM
CRYING@ Christina10's hand! GOLD!

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
How does everybody else find sharkscope?

I only ask as I've been using it to follow my SnG progress on a particular site and I'm pretty sure its missing some games - I only play SnGs on this site and only since about June, so I know everything in my account is from them.

I've already withdrawn my original deposit plus some more profit and I've still got more in there than sharkscope says my profit is - so I'd estimate sharkscope is about $250-300 off what my actual profit is

I have never had a problem with it in maybe 1,000 sit n goes and nor has my brother in about a thousand sng's with average buy ins of $100 or something like that. It has been 100% accurate for both of us. You have to remember it takes rake into consideration as well. Have a look at the graph as well and maybe that will give you some clues as to what has happened?


This question has been asked on a few poker forums and the same thing comes up time and time again, that it's extremely accurate. I think there is a piece of it on FAQ on the site REPSAJ. What size SNG's are you playing, as 250-300 can vary depending on 10$ games or $70 ones. :)

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
GET ON LADDIES STOG.

Will take 5 mins and the min deposit is 5. No excuses!

Right, doing this now, whose got an account as I can refer you. Username asap otherwise I'll go on! ..... :)

Gav The Hamster
25-08-2007, 07:52 PM
oldman_100

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I have never had a problem with it in maybe 1,000 sit n goes and nor has my brother in about a thousand sng's with average buy ins of $100 or something like that. It has been 100% accurate for both of us. You have to remember it takes rake into consideration as well. Have a look at the graph as well and maybe that will give you some clues as to what has happened?

This question has been asked on a few poker forums and the same thing comes up time and time again, that it's extremely accurate. I think there is a piece of it on FAQ on the site REPSAJ. What size SNG's are you playing, as 250-300 can vary depending on 10$ games or $70 ones. :)

The only reason I asked was I started from a fresh account with a balance of zero, I stuck in $100, I've since withdrawn about $250 and the balance in the account was still about $100 above what sharkscope said the profit was - but everything in that account must now be earned profit (:) )

There was a day where I won about $200-300 that seems missing - it was earlier this week so it is possible it hasn't been updated, but games I've played since are there - which is was confused me.

Its not a biggy, I was just following my progress as a bit of fun - the balance in the account tells me I'm doing ok!

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 07:56 PM
It's strange that they aren't there. Have you had a look at your 'recent results' are they still on there, or is there a large upswing on the graph? I'm sure mistakes are made, I just haven't witness any to my accounts, BUT I'm a losing SNG player ;) :D

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
It's strange that they aren't there. Have you had a look at your 'recent results' are they still on there, or is there a large upswing on the graph? I'm sure mistakes are made, I just haven't witness any to my accounts, BUT I'm a losing SNG player ;) :D

Well sharkscope is still showing a 40% ROI and I think my profit is a little higher, so I'm not complaining too much :p

Although I've had a bad evening today :(

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 08:07 PM
40%roi is sick. Over what sample of SNG's? You got Laddies account Reps? Username....?

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
40%roi is sick. Over what sample of SNG's? You got Laddies account Reps? Username....?

Its only over about 100 games so far, mainly $10 and $20s, with some $5s and a few $30s

In fact latest stats, after a bad day has dented them a bit, are

Games Played 98
Av. Profit $5
Av. Stake $14
Av. ROI 31%
Total profit $489

Thats on Paradise but I'm on laddies too, dropped you a PM

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 08:46 PM
well done though, still great stats :)

I'm now on Laddies chaps, can't work out how to set up our own tournament. Can someone do it please?!

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 08:48 PM
Back atcha. What table you at please :)

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 08:50 PM
NP, I'm ther e:)

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 08:57 PM
Bloody bloke between us :grrr:

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Bloody bloke between us :grrr:

That could sound a bit wrong, if we weren't at a poker table

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:09 PM
Dodgy internet. gRRR

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:14 PM
Trying not to abuse your BB too much ;)

Thought I'd get some $$ on Laddies, play a few hands with REPSAJ- LOL, I'm so bad!

** Game ID 816830161 starting - 2007-08-25 22:11:56
** Salgado [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- LostinOz sitting in seat 1 with $9.80
- SHIPITNOWPLZ sitting in seat 2 with $20.37
- Yakumo sitting in seat 3 with $33.47
- %^sitting in seat 4 with $21.89 [Dealer]
- Bippo sitting in seat 5 with $21.15
- Sim-Kir sitting in seat 6 with $27.09 [Sitting out]

Bippo posted the small blind - $0.10
LostinOz posted the big blind - $0.20

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: Queen of Diamonds, Jack of Diamonds
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $0.20
Yakumo folded
%%$folded
Bippo called - $0.20
LostinOz checked

** Dealing the flop: 10 of Spades, Jack of Hearts, 5 of Diamonds
Bippo checked
LostinOz bet - $0.60
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $0.60
Bippo folded

** Dealing the turn: 3 of Clubs
LostinOz bet - $1.80
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $1.80

** Dealing the river: Jack of Clubs
LostinOz bet - $2.70
SHIPITNOWPLZ raised - $13.50
LostinOz went all-in - $4.70
LostinOz shows: Jack of Spades, 5 of Hearts
SHIPITNOWPLZ shows: Queen of Diamonds, Jack of Diamonds
LostinOz wins $19.20 from the main pot

End of game 816830161

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:15 PM
I'm getting killed by flushes

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
I'm getting killed by flushes

Apart from that one

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:16 PM
PS, this isn't a BB post as I hate them, just a 'welcome to Laddies' post :D

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:17 PM
You see my hand when you had AJ? Not a bad flop for me and you kept it cheap ;)

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
You see my hand when you had AJ? Not a bad flop for me and you kept it cheap ;)

Like I said above - I'm running scared of flushes tonight :D

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 09:19 PM
STOG, accept my buddy request...

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:22 PM
LOL, bottom pair and N.F.D. I don't raise much if I hit anyway. I'll let you see what trash I call with out of position ;) :D

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
STOG, accept my buddy request...

Approved chap :) Anyone else on Laddies, please 'invite' me :)

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:25 PM
** Game ID 816838458 starting - 2007-08-25 22:23:04
** Salgado [Hold em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- LostinOz sitting in seat 1 with $17.62 [Dealer]
- SHIPITNOWPLZ sitting in seat 2 with $24.15
- XXXX sitting in seat 4 with $28.00
- Bippo sitting in seat 5 with $22.68
SHIPITNOWPLZ posted the small blind - $0.10
XXXX posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to XXXX: 2 of Clubs, 4 of Hearts
Bippo raised - $0.55
LostinOz folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ folded
XXXX called - $0.55
** Dealing the flop: Queen of Hearts, 7 of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
XXXX checked
Bippo checked
** Dealing the turn: 3 of Spades
XXXX bet - $0.60
Bippo folded
XXXX mucks:
XXXX wins $1.74 from the main pot
End of game 816838458

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Approved chap :) Anyone else on Laddies, please 'invite' me :)

Sent an invite... I think

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 09:27 PM
Me and the hamster are in the same room so can't table together at the moment.....

Am gonna be going home at some point so an doit then if we still all about.

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
** Game ID 816838458 starting - 2007-08-25 22:23:04
** Salgado [Hold em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- LostinOz sitting in seat 1 with $17.62 [Dealer]
- SHIPITNOWPLZ sitting in seat 2 with $24.15
- XXXX sitting in seat 4 with $28.00
- Bippo sitting in seat 5 with $22.68
SHIPITNOWPLZ posted the small blind - $0.10
XXXX posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to XXXX: 2 of Clubs, 4 of Hearts
Bippo raised - $0.55
LostinOz folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ folded
XXXX called - $0.55
** Dealing the flop: Queen of Hearts, 7 of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
XXXX checked
Bippo checked
** Dealing the turn: 3 of Spades
XXXX bet - $0.60
Bippo folded
XXXX mucks:
XXXX wins $1.74 from the main pot
End of game 816838458

Creativity at it's finest. THat's what I like to see :D

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:30 PM
that saved you lol

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:30 PM
PMSL. I'm so lucky

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:31 PM
Sorry Reps, get that HH up! Maybe should have bet river :)

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:31 PM
really did not want to see that 3rd A

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:31 PM
4 invites now, who are bigc and oldman

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 09:31 PM
I'm sure you didn't!

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 09:36 PM
oldman = gav

Reps AJ
25-08-2007, 09:38 PM
I should have known better, the way he was playing lol, got to try your luck sometimes :D

** Game ID 816846831 starting - 2007-08-25 22:34:22
** Salgado [Hold em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- LostinOz sitting in seat 1 with $15.22
- milldog7 sitting in seat 3 with $14.16
- XXXX sitting in seat 4 with $29.05
- Bippo sitting in seat 5 with $21.79 [Dealer]
LostinOz posted the small blind - $0.10
milldog7 posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to XXXX : 3 of Clubs, 4 of Clubs
XXXX called - $0.20
Bippo folded
LostinOz called - $0.20
milldog7 checked
** Dealing the flop: 10 of Clubs, King of Clubs, Queen of Hearts
LostinOz checked
milldog7 checked
XXXX bet - $0.30
LostinOz called - $0.30
milldog7 called - $0.30
** Dealing the turn: Jack of Diamonds
LostinOz checked
milldog7 bet - $1.50
XXXX called - $1.50
LostinOz folded
** Dealing the river: Jack of Spades
milldog7 checked
XXXX bet - $4.50
milldog7 called - $4.50
XXXX shows: 3 of Clubs, 4 of Clubs
milldog7 shows: King of Spades, 6 of Hearts
milldog7 wins $12.85 from the main pot
End of game 816846831

I think my bluff was about the only thing he was beating

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 09:47 PM
Did you find out who bigc is?

gjtango
25-08-2007, 10:21 PM
I know people are getting annoyed with publishing badbeats but I just called called all in by someone, called with AK offsuit, he turns over A10d, and low and behold 3 diamonds come on the flop.:bash: :bash: :bash:

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 10:26 PM
I love hearing about bad beats! I find it consoling!

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 10:50 PM
:D ^^^

Only got 50 or something on Laddies as trying out software, playing with Gav atm :) Think I'm goign to get a fair bit on here, and get off Stars :)

That guy was BAD Reps!

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 10:51 PM
What table you guys on?

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 10:52 PM
I've lost three big hands tonight v AK hence the check their on the river. Was actually expecting a raise....

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 10:54 PM
DANCOO - accept buddy invite. (if you want of course)

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 10:55 PM
How?

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 10:56 PM
Click on the buddies tab (left hand side of main screen) - I think I've typed your name right...

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 10:57 PM
ah, ok. Got it.

Only just noticed that feature.

Christ...loads of people offer me invites over the past year, and I never even noticed!

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 11:00 PM
Mine starts with Kan....

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:02 PM
Oh, if you sent it to me, I think I just deleted it.

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:04 PM
Done.

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:05 PM
Dan, playing on SEMINOLE. What's your username? Only got a few $$ on stars so doubling or bust. Like the software though. How has it taken this long to play the site! Can you set up our tourny Dan?

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:09 PM
carlito_1

How has it taken this long to play the site! Don't getcha.

When we doing the tourney then?

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:15 PM
I mean, I've never even looked at the software and it's actually pretty good. I'm enjoying it. Just put a few dollars in there for the BBS tournies but played some cash and doubled it up as seen below. Shame I can't see what Villain had like on Stars/Party etc

Will add you now Dan. Shall we play Wednesday or Thursday. That was the general consensus I think :)

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: 7 of Clubs, 7 of Diamonds
Shiandy folded
oldman_100 folded
kimpalainen raised - $3.00
sewith78 folded
DREWA folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $3.00

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Clubs, 7 of Spades, Jack of Clubs
SHIPITNOWPLZ checked
kimpalainen bet - $3.00
SHIPITNOWPLZ raised - $7.75
kimpalainen went all-in - $183.32
SHIPITNOWPLZ went all-in - $31.04

** Dealing the turn: 2 of Diamonds

** Dealing the river: 10 of Spades
SHIPITNOWPLZ shows: 7 of Clubs, 7 of Diamonds
kimpalainen mucks:
SHIPITNOWPLZ wins $81.08 from the main pot

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:19 PM
Menu > Game History > go back enough hands and it will show the mucked cards...I think.

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 11:20 PM
Eh!

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:21 PM
Good to be back playing online. I love it :D

** Game ID 816917102 starting - 2007-08-26 00:20:19
** Seminole [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- sewith78 sitting in seat 1 with $109.45
- DREWA sitting in seat 2 with $78.73
- SHIPITNOWPLZ sitting in seat 3 with $81.58 [Dealer]
- Shiandy sitting in seat 4 with $132.04
- oldman_100 sitting in seat 5 with $100.10
- kimpalainen sitting in seat 6 with $150.63

Shiandy posted the small blind - $0.50
oldman_100 posted the big blind - $1.00

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: Queen of Clubs, 9 of Clubs
kimpalainen folded
sewith78 folded
DREWA folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ raised - $4.00
Shiandy called - $4.00
oldman_100 folded

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Diamonds, 8 of Diamonds, 5 of Diamonds
Shiandy checked
SHIPITNOWPLZ bet - $6.00
Shiandy called - $6.00

** Dealing the turn: Ace of Hearts
Shiandy checked
SHIPITNOWPLZ bet - $12.00
Shiandy folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ mucks: Queen of Clubs, 9 of Clubs
SHIPITNOWPLZ mucks:
SHIPITNOWPLZ wins $31.95 from the main pot

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:22 PM
I'm on your table now.

Just playing with the 'odd' cash in my account.

Been tearing up the hi/lo today.

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:24 PM
Welcome to the table Dan :)

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:25 PM
I will now embarass myself at cash holdem. :)

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:27 PM
Sweet, what site have you been playing HL on? Want to play some HU? I want to learn how to play HL properly :)

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 11:27 PM
Am on waiting list...

See you soon lol

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:31 PM
I only play on Laddies.

Not up for any more h/l today, signing off shortly.

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:36 PM
Free seat Kev?

KevTheOptimist
25-08-2007, 11:37 PM
Yeah coming soon.

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:42 PM
That 53$ pot I just won, planned on check call river. hmmm, maybe should have bet

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:51 PM
One more round and I'm off.

SamTheOldGoat
25-08-2007, 11:54 PM
Ok, gg, little bit of profit for you Dan :)

DANCOO
25-08-2007, 11:56 PM
Yeah. :)

I'm just wondering if my holdem stats go towards my hi/lo stats (in the Laddies table panel).

SamTheOldGoat
26-08-2007, 12:11 AM
What do you mean by that? Still pretty clueless on the site. Do you get rated by your cash scores?

First Poker Office stats for Laddies-

74hands played, $85.70profit , 57.91BB/100.

Will try and get more $ on in the morning and hopefully profit will rise and rise and I go on a huge upswing after the bad end of June, the last time I played properly. Roll ont eh BBS SNG :)

saul1664
26-08-2007, 12:18 AM
Just played a right muppet.

Just came to the table, started putting in normal size raises in relation to cards/position, and this guy kept coming over the top, and also opening a lot of pots 6 x BB. Had chance to test water with AA, he raised to $3 (on 0.25/0.50 table), I re-raised to $7, he called. Flop not great for Aces, so I bet out and he folded.

Then pick up QQ, bet 4 x BB as he's behind me, he re-raises to $7, I flat call, and see QQ2 on the board for quads. He then bets $12, I call, he checks the turn. I bet $5 which he calls. River is a diamond for possible straight on the board. He pushes all in. I call. He then tells me that he can't believe the luck of people on the table. I said what did you have (if he has AA KK, then fair enough), but no he has 88.

I then remove the rest of his stack, when again he reraises me when I raise with AK, call the raise, and when K hits a board of K 10 7, I check as I know he will push me all in. He does with AQ and doesn't hit the J he needs.

He didn't rebuy but has currently gone up two levels playing at $1/$2 :eek:

RichieG
26-08-2007, 12:45 AM
Are you boys still on Laddies playing cash? Table name and stakes if so....

SamTheOldGoat
26-08-2007, 12:49 AM
PMSL- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HeQD219l0

Not for me Richie, will play a lot tomorrow, so add me to buddies, username in HH's above. Haven't tried to multi yet so will give that a go if I can get more $ online. Not sure of limits etc on laddies? Hopefully see you at the tables then :)

RichieG
26-08-2007, 12:53 AM
Sweet, will send you (and everyone else if I can figure out all the usernames) an invite. I find multi tables tricky on laddies as you can't resize the normal tables. They have "mini" tables but they're too small to follow IMHO.

SamTheOldGoat
26-08-2007, 12:57 AM
Thanks for advice, will let you know how I get on tomorrow mate :)

RichieG
26-08-2007, 01:35 AM
Bit card dead ATM

RichieG
26-08-2007, 01:38 AM
And then you go and do that!

SamTheOldGoat
26-08-2007, 01:40 AM
Just a wind up dude. Last time, promise :)

Here was previous hand,,,,

** Game ID 816981728 starting - 2007-08-26 02:38:53
** Bonneville [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Palle12 sitting in seat 1 with $21.65
- RichieG1976 sitting in seat 2 with $24.82
- SHIPITNOWPLZ sitting in seat 3 with $22.37
- eyeball75 sitting in seat 4 with $5.15
- Poolroomboy sitting in seat 5 with $11.25
- sausagefryer sitting in seat 6 with $25.37 [Dealer]

Palle12 posted the small blind - $0.10
RichieG1976 posted the big blind - $0.20

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: 8 of Hearts, 7 of Spades
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $0.20
eyeball75 folded
Poolroomboy called - $0.20
sausagefryer called - $0.20
Palle12 folded
RichieG1976 checked

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Clubs, 8 of Spades, Ace of Spades
RichieG1976 checked
SHIPITNOWPLZ checked
Poolroomboy checked
sausagefryer bet - $0.90
RichieG1976 folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ raised - $2.03
Poolroomboy folded
sausagefryer called - $2.03

** Dealing the turn: 9 of Hearts
SHIPITNOWPLZ bet - $4.96
sausagefryer folded
sausagefryer shows: Ace of Hearts, 7 of Diamonds
SHIPITNOWPLZ mucks: 8 of Hearts, 7 of Spades
SHIPITNOWPLZ mucks:
SHIPITNOWPLZ wins $9.68 from the main pot

End of game 816981728

SamTheOldGoat
26-08-2007, 01:41 AM
Richie, don't suppose you fancy the 100 double chance freezeout tomorrow night in Brighton? :)

RichieG
26-08-2007, 01:54 AM
Tempting, shouldn't but what time?

SamTheOldGoat
26-08-2007, 01:55 AM
8pm. Grosvenor, should be a good crack. LOL@ shoving AIPF with a full stack and paying you off. You owe me ;)

DANCOO
26-08-2007, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PMSL- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HeQD219l0


The look on the dudes face when he takes his chips back out, brilliant. :D

Strathclyde Eagle
26-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Then pick up QQ, bet 4 x BB as he's behind me, he re-raises to $7, I flat call, and see QQ2 on the board for quads. He then bets $12, I call, he checks the turn. I bet $5 which he calls. River is a diamond for possible straight on the board. He pushes all in. I call. He then tells me that he can't believe the luck of people on the table. I said what did you have (if he has AA KK, then fair enough), but no he has 88.
See, this is the type of description which makes Sam ask for hand histories. A diamond comes making a possible straight? Are you sure?

saul1664
26-08-2007, 05:55 PM
I meant a flush obviously. Do you really need a hand history once I've flopped quads.

DANCOO
26-08-2007, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
What do you mean by that?

When you're sitting at a table, there is a Laddies poker stats box (I'm pretty sure most sites have them).
Just give you your basic hands stats for Laddies.

Reps AJ
26-08-2007, 08:30 PM
Wow, watching palace earlier seems to have rubbed off on me, I can't hit a barn door :sob:

DANCOO
26-08-2007, 10:28 PM
On a fine run of form at the moment, although it was a very dodgy bet on the river considering the player I was up against had rebought several times on more than one table.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1413344 :D

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:07 AM
Just got back from Brighton Grosvenor. Played in their last festival event, 100 double chance and came third for 320. Played near perfectly the whole time, and dead pleased that my live tournaments are going so well profit wise :)

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 10:03 AM
320 for third in a 100 buy in tourney!? What were there, 5 runners?

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 10:33 AM
LOL. 19. 6k starting chips, 30 minute clocks, a great structure :)

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 10:35 AM
Morning sam

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 10:37 AM
Better than a punch in the face though, 720 for first :) Playing hi lo and omaha now iwht Dan. Anyone want to play a small stakes BBS cash game?

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 10:38 AM
Morning Dan. If I fish out, I'm working on my hi lo game ;)

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 10:48 AM
Fair do's. :)

Gotta take my son to his nans in a minute, but will be back in an hour or so.

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 10:56 AM
Just got all back in omaha hi, well most of it. Play in a bit chap :

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 11:14 AM
I'm usually only found haunting the poker sites late at night - can't play when the missus is around. For 1 she does my head in and 2 she thinks every time I win a pot she gets dinner.

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 12:09 PM
LOL! Will try and play tonight Kev :)

PMSL@ this, worst call ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxD3YMWZAi0&NR=1

samtheeagle
27-08-2007, 12:50 PM
Deposited $40 into my Titan poker account on Wednesday and my bankroll now stands at just over $800. Highlight being a third place in a $3k guarenteed MTT. Placed third from 200 runners for about $500.

se1eagle
27-08-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Deposited $40 into my Titan poker account on Wednesday and my bankroll now stands at just over $800. Highlight being a third place in a $3k guarenteed MTT. Placed third from 200 runners for about $500.

Wow! Congrats mate that's amazing!

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:22 PM
Congrats Sam :)

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:23 PM
Hello Dan/Gav :)

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 02:23 PM
Afternoon fellow hi/lo player. :)

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:34 PM
LOL.....


Carlito_1 posted the small blind - $0.25
IceDiamond posted the big blind - $0.50

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: King of Diamonds, Ace of Spades, 10 of Spades, Queen of Hearts
daredevil8 folded
BGLX folded
waterboy147 folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ raised - $1.75
Carlito_1 called - $1.75
IceDiamond called - $1.75

** Dealing the flop: 10 of Diamonds, 9 of Clubs, 5 of Clubs
Carlito_1 checked
IceDiamond checked
SHIPITNOWPLZ checked

** Dealing the turn: 7 of Hearts
Carlito_1 bet - $5.25
IceDiamond folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ folded
Carlito_1 mucks:
Carlito_1 wins $10.25 from the main pot

End of game 817802944

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 02:34 PM
Already lost one buy-in, trips on three consecutive hands (twice the top trips), outdrawn on every one.

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:37 PM
Dan, is this a horrible HL shove?
rboy147 posted the small blind - $0.25
SHIPITNOWPLZ posted the big blind - $0.50

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: 7 of Spades, 5 of Spades, Ace of Diamonds, 2 of Spades
Carlito_1 folded
IceDiamond called - $0.50
daredevil8 called - $0.50
BGLX called - $0.50
waterboy147 called - $0.50
SHIPITNOWPLZ checked

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Diamonds, 8 of Spades, Jack of Diamonds
waterboy147 bet - $2.50
SHIPITNOWPLZ went all-in - $9.50
IceDiamond called - $9.50
daredevil8 folded
BGLX called - $9.50
waterboy147 called - $9.50

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Clubs
waterboy147 checked
IceDiamond bet - $20.25
BGLX called - $20.25
waterboy147 folded

** Dealing the river: 2 of Hearts
IceDiamond went all-in - $34.60
BGLX went all-in - $27.76
IceDiamond shows: 10 of Diamonds, Queen of Diamonds, 9 of Diamonds, 8 of Hearts
BGLX shows: 6 of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts, Jack of Clubs, Jack of Hearts
SHIPITNOWPLZ shows: 7 of Spades, 5 of Spades, Ace of Diamonds, 2 of Spades
BGLX wins $47.52 from side pot 1
SHIPITNOWPLZ wins $19.24 from the main pot
IceDiamond wins $19.24 from the main pot
IceDiamond wins $66.76 from side pot 1

End of game 817797743

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 02:40 PM
You didn't fancy the inside draw then?

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:46 PM
I fancied the low pot and backdoor flush draw ;)

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Dan, is this a horrible HL shove?


Not really.

You've got the nut low draw and an inside straight draw, and seeing as you're only playing with a short stack, you are more likely to get calls, giving you good value. If you were playing with a full stack you may want to play it a bit more cautiously as you don't have decent counterfeit protection against your low.

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:56 PM
Thought as much, thanks, this hi lo is fun!

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:58 PM
Really? LOL, I think I'd better study!

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: 7 of Hearts, Jack of Hearts, Ace of Diamonds, 10 of Diamonds
Carlito_1 folded
IceDiamond called - $0.50
BGLX raised - $2.00
waterboy147 called - $2.00
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $2.00
IceDiamond called - $2.00

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Diamonds, 5 of Hearts, Queen of Clubs
waterboy147 checked
SHIPITNOWPLZ checked
IceDiamond checked
BGLX bet - $4.00
waterboy147 folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ called - $4.00
IceDiamond folded

** Dealing the turn: 6 of Hearts
SHIPITNOWPLZ went all-in - $13.23
BGLX called - $13.23

** Dealing the river: 10 of Clubs
SHIPITNOWPLZ shows: 7 of Hearts, Jack of Hearts, Ace of Diamonds, 10 of Diamonds
BGLX shows: 4 of Hearts, King of Clubs, Ace of Clubs, 2 of Spades
BGLX wins $40.46 from the main pot

End of game 817818012

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:59 PM
That is a horrible call is it not Dan?

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Right, back to NLH lo

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
That is a horrible call is it not Dan?

Probably comes down to a combination of stack size and he's not seen you playing hi/lo before.

It's a 'bit' loose for him I suppose, but I can see most of the players calling there when taking everything into account.

Personally, I would.......don't know. 50/50 on what I would do to be honest. Some days I call, some days I fold.

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 03:19 PM
:veryangry

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1415541

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 04:37 PM
SE1....

SHIPITNOWPLZ posted the small blind - $0.25
star69 posted the big blind - $0.50

** Dealing card to SHIPITNOWPLZ: King of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
davezz5 folded
NitZo_ folded
joep1978 raised - $1.75
halmastaren called - $1.75
SHIPITNOWPLZ raised - $8.50
star69 folded
joep1978 folded
halmastaren folded
SHIPITNOWPLZ mucks: King of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
SHIPITNOWPLZ mucks:
SHIPITNOWPLZ wins $12.50 from the main pot

End of game 817888872

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DANCOO
27-08-2007, 04:49 PM
MENU > PRIVATE TABLES

Choose 'New Table' tab at the bottom.

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 04:50 PM
I got it - nice one.

WHo is up for playing?

DANCOO
27-08-2007, 04:54 PM
Need a couple more online I reckon.

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 04:54 PM
Yes please chap/ Name me time and place and I'm in, as are Gav and SE1 I think :)

Ended up with $70+ on that table afte rbeing down to $6. LOL

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 04:57 PM
I've set one up but now can't find it!

It's a 5 man $5 sng winner takes all

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 04:58 PM
DANCOO - up for it to make 5 of us?

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 04:59 PM
lol, I'm in! Let me know if you can find it?!

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Or we all go into BBS2 that Dan set up, password onesize but Dan will need to start it early?! DAN?!

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 05:00 PM
The one I've set up is called Palace123 with passord brightonscum.

Can't find it for shit though lol

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 05:03 PM
join in people....

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 05:06 PM
STOG and se1 - look lively!

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 05:09 PM
Rain check on the sng - i got me dinner now but cn play later.

Let me know if you want me to start this one early for you....

Gav The Hamster
27-08-2007, 05:11 PM
just play later - 7.30 ?

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 05:11 PM
SHIP! I've foudn it, I'm in, 4 others;?!?!?!

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 05:11 PM
OK, 7.30 Im in :)

KevTheOptimist
27-08-2007, 05:12 PM
7.30 good for me

SamTheOldGoat
27-08-2007, 05:13 PM
Great, I'm already sat, let's make sure we get 5 otherwise Kev can start it early :)