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SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 09:13 PM
If this isn't a good enough reason to join one of the training sites I don't know what is. Here's what Taylor Caby, owner of Cardrunners says re training sites, you'll like it Oz :):

ps - i realize i might sound like i'm bashing other training sites, i didn't mean to do that. for example, i think pokerxfactor and stoxpoker do a really good job and have good teachers that care about what they are doing.

Here was his graph for about 120 days.....

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6763/gp1ql0.jpg

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
It appears your still waiting on your own :D

This is ridiculous - I won my table nearly an hour ago and there are 3 tables of the 8 still playing!

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 09:24 PM
You had better win now :D

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
You had better win now :D

Well I've got bored of jeering from the rail and playing a sng on full tilt to pass the time!

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 09:28 PM
and just doubled on a twit playing Q6 from the blind to two early pos limpers and me raising 9BB with KK. Of course he hit two pair but I hit trips on turn lol!!

saul1664
26-10-2007, 09:36 PM
Up $110 from evening session. Got AA in last position, two raises of $3.50 in front of me (NL 50), so re-raise to $12, other guy calls, next guy re-raises to $20, put him all-in and he turns over JJ, KKK on board no good for him and a big double up.

Gave about $40 of it back though when a continual calling station calling raise after raise from flop through to river with A2 with A on board against my AK, only to hit his 2 on the river for two pair. Most wassocky.

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
This is ridiculous - I won my table nearly an hour ago and there are 3 tables of the 8 still playing!

90 minutes later and one table STILL playing! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 10:49 PM
Your playing brilliantly. One of the come backs of the year :D Keep it up HU :)

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Your playing brilliantly. One of the come backs of the year :D Keep it up HU :)

player busted in third soooo passive!! stole and stole and stole

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 10:55 PM
Waaaa-HaaaaaayYYYY!!!

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 10:55 PM
Played so well, was rooting for you the whole way but chat wasn't working>>!>?!?!??! Good job man :D

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 10:55 PM
Not bad for 12bucks :)

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 10:56 PM
^

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Played so well, was rooting for you the whole way but chat wasn't working>>!>?!?!??! Good job man :D

Am having really probs with chat on stars - seems really hit and miss. thx mate - knew you were there!

Have to say that was probably the best I have played since the 750k by some distance.

(won a $69 ticket in the $24 sat I played while I waited too :D :D :D )

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 11:01 PM
Although it takes a while thats quite a nice structure cos its 15 minute blinds and if you get through the first table you have trebled your money too at least so you get two more goes for free effectively. 15min blinds in final let me come back from wherever I was (pretty low at one stage) Couldnt believe messydog kept folding to me with 6000+ chips when i was effectively crippled but once I realised he was limp folding I just kept throwing it at him!

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 11:03 PM
Good work. Was impressed iwth the play, seriously, got some hands in key places/positions as well and you were patient. Roll on Sunday :D

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 11:05 PM
MESSYDOG=HORRIFIC!

SamTheOldGoat
26-10-2007, 11:05 PM
His K8 was harsh though :D

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
got some hands in key places/positions

Haha - yeah I forgot about those while I was busy admiring my play!!

;)

Paul Romain
26-10-2007, 11:12 PM
suppose I had better go and get some kip - might be a long weekend with a bit of luck!

saul1664
27-10-2007, 12:44 AM
Standard on NL50 seems bizarre to say the least. Pre flop guy goes all in for $30, next guy calls the all in with all his stack ($120). What hands do you expect to see. Probably not K10 offsuit and A9 offsuit.

Then I get AA, re-raise a $4 raise to $12, flop comes down AK7, bet small relative to the size of the pot to keep him interested, K comes down for AAAKK full house. I again bet small (as unless he has quad Kings I am miles in front), he raises $24. What on earth does he put me on with the pre-flop reraise and what hand can he be beating. I push him all in, he folds (he'd been calling all in every 2 to 3 hands), maybe better to just flat call it, and try to let him go in again. Was he trying to bluff on that board?

There was a guy earlier who raised every single hand to 4-6x BB, every single hand no matter what position he was in.

At the moment my range of starting hands is about 4. :eek:

saul1664
27-10-2007, 01:09 PM
Terrible morning. Down $135. First played against the same player in 50 I did last night, first hand KK, reraised significantly and he calls with 44 and first card out is 4, asked why he called the reraise, he said he felt the 4 was coming, then virtually wiped out on 25 with this hand...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 267872128 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, October 27, 13:02:10 GMT 2007
Table Neon 14 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: zamaru000 ( $68.58 )
Seat 2: Emiliaki ( $9.99 )
Seat 3: opmut ( $45.85 )
Seat 4: TeNDoLLA ( $66.10 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $35.50 )
Seat 6: jimslim ( $31.93 )
Emiliaki posts small blind [$0.25]
opmut posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ As, Kd ]
TeNDoLLA raises to [$1.75]
saul1664 calls [$1.75]
jimslim calls [$1.75]
zamaru000 folds
Emiliaki calls [$1.50]
opmut calls [$1.25]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, 7s, 6d ]
Emiliaki checks
opmut checks
TeNDoLLA checks
saul1664 bets [$4.50]
jimslim calls [$4.50]
Emiliaki folds
opmut folds
TeNDoLLA folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
saul1664 bets [$7]
jimslim goes all-in
jimslim raises to [$25.68]
saul1664 calls [$18.68]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ As, Kd ]
jimslim shows [ Kc, 5c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
** Hand Conclusion **
jimslim wins $66.11 from main pot with two pair, Kings and Fives
************ Game 267872128 ends ************

saul1664
27-10-2007, 04:59 PM
And again in afternoon session. Comfortably in profit of about $70 in 25 and 50, and once again I get donked out of a huge hand with KK. Said he had nothing until the river but had lots of outs, even so, is he getting odds to call?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 267956194 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, October 27, 16:50:12 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Feliin1 ( $44.40 )
Seat 2: sprinkhaan ( $122.60 )
Seat 3: Okkepoker ( $93.50 )
Seat 4: gullwings ( $97.28 )
Seat 5: MasterBlast ( $119.10 )
Seat 6: saul1664 ( $68.10 )
Okkepoker posts small blind [$0.50]
gullwings posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Kh, Kc ]
MasterBlast folds
saul1664 raises to [$4]
Feliin1 folds
sprinkhaan folds
Okkepoker folds
gullwings calls [$3]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Jh, 7d ]
gullwings checks
saul1664 bets [$6]
gullwings calls [$6]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
gullwings checks
saul1664 bets [$14]
gullwings calls [$14]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
gullwings checks
saul1664 bets [$24]
gullwings calls [$24]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Kh, Kc ] a pair of Kings
gullwings shows [ 9h, 8h ] a straight, Nine to Five
** Hand Conclusion **
gullwings wins $93.50 from main pot with a straight, Nine to Five
************ Game 267956194 ends ************

se1eagle
27-10-2007, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
And again in afternoon session. Comfortably in profit of about $70 in 25 and 50, and once again I get donked out of a huge hand with KK. Said he had nothing until the river but had lots of outs, even so, is he getting odds to call?


No he's not, your bet sizes on flop and turn are good and make it -EV for him to call.

He needs 41% equity to call the flop bet and he has 36%. Having said that, if you decide to call a raise with a SC and flop an OESD you can't really just fold to what might very well be a c-bet.

He needs 40% equity to call the turn bet and he has 31%.

The 5d on the river has to be pretty much the worst card in the deck for you - perhaps you could have checked behind?

PoolKing
27-10-2007, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
The 5d on the river has to be pretty much the worst card in the deck for you - perhaps you could have checked behind?

I agree with this. Your flop bet and turn bet are both good but given that the river has given the flush possibility in addition to the straight I feel a check is maybe the best thing to do given the board.

Paul Romain
27-10-2007, 11:24 PM
From this ......

Full Tilt Poker Game #3986256881: Satellite to FTOPS Main Event (30232540), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:43:11 ET - 2007/10/27
Seat 1: BIGFLOPPER01 (5,085)
Seat 3: jim5432 (655)
Seat 4: topgun59007 (3,109)
Seat 5: PUreRanDOm (2,591)
Seat 6: xx-ButtUgly-xx (5,060)


To this......


Full Tilt Poker Game #3986586540: Satellite to FTOPS Main Event (30232540), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:18:34 ET - 2007/10/27
Seat 3: jim5432 (11,890)
Seat 6: xx-ButtUgly-xx (4,610)
jim5432 posts the small blind of 80
xx-ButtUgly-xx posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [2c 2d]
jim5432 calls 80
xx-ButtUgly-xx checks
*** FLOP *** [7c Jc 2s]
xx-ButtUgly-xx checks
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 bets 320
xx-ButtUgly-xx raises to 4,450, and is all in
jim5432 calls 4,130
xx-ButtUgly-xx shows [Ac 5c]
jim5432 shows [2c 2d]
*** TURN *** [7c Jc 2s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [7c Jc 2s 8d] [Jd]
xx-ButtUgly-xx shows a pair of Jacks
jim5432 shows a full house, Twos full of Jacks
jim5432 wins the pot (9,220) with a full house, Twos full of Jacks
xx-ButtUgly-xx stands up


Main Event sorted. 2 more to go :)

saul1664
27-10-2007, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I agree with this. Your flop bet and turn bet are both good but given that the river has given the flush possibility in addition to the straight I feel a check is maybe the best thing to do given the board.

Fair points. But doesn't the check on the river give him a chance to bluff me if he has completely missed?

se1eagle
27-10-2007, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Fair points. But doesn't the check on the river give him a chance to bluff me if he has completely missed?

You were in position and he checked to you

se1eagle
28-10-2007, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Main Event sorted. 2 more to go :)

Congrats Paul!

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Fair points. But doesn't the check on the river give him a chance to bluff me if he has completely missed?

i'd check and call reasonable bet rather than bet and risk check raise which is then difficult to call

saul1664
28-10-2007, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
You were in position and he checked to you

That's right. Still, he showed no regard for the flush then unless he definitely put me on the big pair.

oz_da II
28-10-2007, 12:28 AM
This is the sort of hand where we are only getting called (or more likely check-raised) by a hand that can beat us. Easy check.

saul1664
28-10-2007, 01:05 AM
What the poker lord takes away with one hand, he giveth back with the other ...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 268167172 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 28, 00:54:46 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 06 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: mrconey ( $66.59 )
Seat 2: saul1664 ( $106.95 )
Seat 3: haller69 ( $173 )
Seat 4: lazarus59 ( $187.17 )
Seat 5: MasterBlast ( $124.75 )
Seat 6: SIDHAL ( $60.30 )
MasterBlast posts small blind [$0.50]
SIDHAL posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Th, Td ]
mrconey calls [$1]
saul1664 raises to [$4]
haller69 calls [$4]
lazarus59 calls [$4]
MasterBlast folds
SIDHAL folds
mrconey calls [$3]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 7s, Qs ]
mrconey bets [$6]
saul1664 calls [$6]
haller69 raises to [$20]
lazarus59 folds
mrconey folds
saul1664 calls [$14]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
saul1664 checks
haller69 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
saul1664 bets [$25]
haller69 calls [$25]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Th, Td ] full house, Tens full of Eights
haller69 mucks [ Qh, Kc ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $110.50 from main pot with full house, Tens full of Eights
************ Game 268167172 ends ************

saul1664
28-10-2007, 01:40 AM
This same bloke then berated me to the rest of the table for about 10 minutes for me pushing in against his nut flush and how he had the best hand, when in fact he had none of the flush and called me with a pair of queens. Then he pushed all in against two big stacks on a 4567 board with two diamonds as well holding 44 only to bust the made straight with another 4 on the river to take a $465 pot. No justice.

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 02:27 AM
sitting 14th of 33 left in the FullTilt $60k. (cashed at 63)

Have had Chad Batista (jse81) at my table for quite a while (currently ranked numero uno at OPR!) - watched him move from about 500 chips to 50000 in half an hour...

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
sitting 14th of 33 left in the FullTilt $60k. (cashed at 63)

Have had Chad Batista (jse81) at my table for quite a while (currently ranked numero uno at OPR!) - watched him move from about 500 chips to 50000 in half an hour...

finished 12th for $630

pushed with AQ only to find big blind with AKs (how often!!)

then hit my Q on flop only to see him draw flush on river - was a BIG POT too would have gone third.

Another nice nights work though. zzzzzzzzzzz!

Another hours sleep though :p

budgie
28-10-2007, 02:05 PM
I know it gets annoying when people keep putting up bad beats, but can anyone see a justification for calling this hand, I had been mega tight up until this.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1637127

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 04:31 PM
There's no stopping the boy.....


PokerStars Tournament #64636697, No Limit Hold'em
Super Satellite
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
132 players
Total Prize Pool: $3450.00
Target Tournament #64636327 Buy-In: $215.00
16 tickets to the target tournament

Tournament started - 2007/10/28 - 08:32:00 (ET)

Dear jim5432,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.

DANCOO
28-10-2007, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by budgie
I know it gets annoying when people keep putting up bad beats, but can anyone see a justification for calling this hand, I had been mega tight up until this.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1637127

Nice to see a real badbeat.

Ridiculous.

Micky Droy
28-10-2007, 06:59 PM
That's the worst beat in history!

Finbar
28-10-2007, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
There's no stopping the boy.....


PokerStars Tournament #64636697, No Limit Hold'em
Super Satellite
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
132 players
Total Prize Pool: $3450.00
Target Tournament #64636327 Buy-In: $215.00
16 tickets to the target tournament

Tournament started - 2007/10/28 - 08:32:00 (ET)

Dear jim5432,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.

Great stuff Paul, are you in profit since the big win?

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
Great stuff Paul, are you in profit since the big win?

Well I was up a few thousand before it anyway but since then I am probably a bit down. Having said that I am sitting on about 3k of tourney entries that I have satellited into as well and I have been concentrating on that mainly rather than cash tourneys recently - if I cashed them in I would be up but I intend to play them. Watch this space in November

SamTheOldGoat
28-10-2007, 09:17 PM
Paul, what did you open raise with here? Big pair>?

PokerStars Game #12903048311: Tournament #64636914, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (50/100) - 2007/10/28 - 17:09:04 (ET)
Table '64636914 166' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: voigt2006 (6175 in chips)
Seat 2: Hezballer (10375 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerpilot77 (7575 in chips)
Seat 4: jim5432 (9050 in chips)
Seat 5: DrCaligula (11625 in chips)
Seat 6: kBALLSy (10550 in chips)
Seat 7: Shifty1768 (11225 in chips)
Seat 8: soulis8 (11625 in chips)
Seat 9: cisci312 (11800 in chips)
soulis8: posts small blind 50
cisci312: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
voigt2006: folds
Hezballer: folds
pokerpilot77: calls 100
jim5432: raises 300 to 400
DrCaligula: folds
kBALLSy: calls 400
Shifty1768: calls 400
soulis8: folds
cisci312: folds
pokerpilot77: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [6h 7s Ah]
pokerpilot77: checks
jim5432: checks
kBALLSy: checks
Shifty1768: bets 500
pokerpilot77: folds
jim5432: folds
kBALLSy: folds
Shifty1768 collected 1750 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1750 | Rake 0
Board [6h 7s Ah]
Seat 1: voigt2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hezballer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokerpilot77 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jim5432 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: DrCaligula folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kBALLSy folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Shifty1768 (button) collected (1750)
Seat 8: soulis8 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: cisci312 (big blind) folded before Flop

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 09:24 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
[B]Paul, what did you open raise with here? Big pair>?

KK

all those callers and blasted A on flop!

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 09:25 PM
had 1010 then to a flop KQx- not gettting much luck at the moment.
Soulis8 is betting me off every time I cbet with not much

SamTheOldGoat
28-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
That's the worst beat in history!

Definitely not in history, not pleasant but seen plenty worse!

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 09:27 PM
going to tighten right up for a while and see i can find something. Bleeding too many chips away at the moment

SamTheOldGoat
28-10-2007, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
[B]Paul, what did you open raise with here? Big pair>?

KK

all those callers and blasted A on flop!

That's what I put you on. Nm

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 09:51 PM
$400k warmup on Stars went pear shaped too earlier...

PokerStars Game #12898943479: Tournament #64636327, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level IV (150/300) - 2007/10/28 - 13:43:42 (ET)
Table '64636327 177' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: boul_quake (14485 in chips)
Seat 2: 36crazyfists (16950 in chips)
Seat 3: jeken (8875 in chips)
Seat 4: D-ROY (24400 in chips)
Seat 5: MAVKIS (10900 in chips)
Seat 6: scholaruk (9450 in chips)
Seat 7: jim5432 (5875 in chips)
Seat 8: Tr34cle (20990 in chips)
Seat 9: Tony_Hibbert (7850 in chips) is sitting out
jeken: posts small blind 150
D-ROY: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Ah Jh]
MAVKIS: folds
scholaruk: folds
jim5432: calls 300
Tr34cle: folds
Tony_Hibbert: folds
boul_quake: folds
36crazyfists: raises 600 to 900
jeken: folds
D-ROY: calls 600
jim5432: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Jc 6c 9d]
D-ROY: checks
jim5432: bets 4975 and is all-in
36crazyfists: calls 4975
D-ROY: calls 4975
*** TURN *** [Jc 6c 9d] [3s]
D-ROY: checks
36crazyfists: bets 11075 and is all-in
D-ROY: folds
*** RIVER *** [Jc 6c 9d 3s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jim5432: shows [Ah Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
36crazyfists: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
36crazyfists collected 17775 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17775 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 6c 9d 3s 8d]
Seat 1: boul_quake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 36crazyfists (button) showed [Ks Kh] and won (17775) with a
pair of Kings
Seat 3: jeken (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: D-ROY (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: MAVKIS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: scholaruk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jim5432 showed [Ah Jh] and lost with a

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 09:54 PM
Hey I won a hand :)

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 10:01 PM
I am getting absolutely nothing here!

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 10:16 PM
Can anyone remind me what a face card looks like?

Paul Romain
28-10-2007, 10:23 PM
Well you have to laugh. After waiting so long for anything remotely resembling a playable hand in a reasonable spot.......

PokerStars Game #12904438724: Tournament #64636914, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (300/600) - 2007/10/28 - 18:19:07 (ET)
Table '64636914 166' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: voigt2006 (20400 in chips)
Seat 2: Hezballer (38650 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerpilot77 (20849 in chips)
Seat 4: jim5432 (4050 in chips)
Seat 5: elop2555 (9141 in chips)
Seat 6: flip123077 (14315 in chips)
Seat 7: Shifty1768 (4750 in chips)
Seat 8: soulis8 (18300 in chips)
Seat 9: artohme (20259 in chips)
flip123077: posts small blind 300
Shifty1768: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Ad Kc]
soulis8: folds
artohme: raises 1200 to 1800
voigt2006: folds
Hezballer: folds
pokerpilot77: folds
jim5432: raises 2250 to 4050 and is all-in
elop2555: raises 5091 to 9141 and is all-in
flip123077: folds
Shifty1768: folds
artohme: calls 7341
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3d 2d]
*** TURN *** [Tc 3d 2d] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3d 2d Qc] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
artohme: shows [Qs Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
elop2555: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings)
elop2555 said, "sure"
artohme collected 10182 from side pot
jim5432: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces)
artohme collected 13050 from main pot
jstockton#10 is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23232 Main pot 13050. Side pot 10182. | Rake 0
Board [Tc 3d 2d Qc Ac]
Seat 1: voigt2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hezballer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokerpilot77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jim5432 showed [Ad Kc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: elop2555 (button) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: flip123077 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Shifty1768 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: soulis8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: artohme showed [Qs Qh] and won (23232) with three of a kind, Queens

saul1664
28-10-2007, 10:44 PM
This is difficult...

Have 9J (both diamonds)...

Limp in

Flop comes 8 9 10 (2 clubs),

(0.25/0.50 table), call $2.40 into unraised pot, flat called by one caller

Turn Q for straight

Bet $4.50 into pot, raised to $7, flat call

River comes 9 clubs

He is first to act and raises to $15

What do you do and what does he have (there is FH and flush out there)...

oz_da II
28-10-2007, 11:14 PM
Raise pre-flop (or fold)
Raise flop
Re-raise turn
Kick yourself on the river. :moo:

saul1664
29-10-2007, 01:02 AM
Just lost a fairly big pot before this, but this is still nice, 4th one ...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 268574259 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 29, 00:54:55 GMT 2007
Table Neon 05 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: IRAKLIS ( $23.05 )
Seat 2: uke ( $121.80 )
Seat 3: MinDTrickS ( $50.45 )
Seat 4: band8 ( $27.20 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $37.58 )
Seat 6: ikari ( $41.70 )
IRAKLIS posts small blind [$0.25]
uke posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Ts, Ks ]
MinDTrickS folds
band8 raises to [$1]
saul1664 calls [$1]
ikari folds
IRAKLIS calls [$0.75]
uke calls [$0.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Js, As ]
IRAKLIS checks
uke checks
band8 bets [$1.20]
saul1664 calls [$1.20]
IRAKLIS calls [$1.20]
uke folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
IRAKLIS checks
band8 checks
saul1664 bets [$3.80]
IRAKLIS calls [$3.80]
band8 folds
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
IRAKLIS bets [$8]
saul1664 raises to [$16]
IRAKLIS goes all-in
IRAKLIS raises to [$17.05]
saul1664 calls [$1.05]
** Showdown **
IRAKLIS shows [ 6s, 3s ] a Flush
saul1664 shows [ Ts, Ks ] a Royal Flush
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $46.85 from main pot with a Royal Flush
************ Game 268574259 ends ************

SamTheOldGoat
29-10-2007, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Raise pre-flop (or fold)
Raise flop
Re-raise turn
Kick yourself on the river. :moo:

Indeed...... maybe FC depending on position PF then play as you would OZ.....

saul1664
29-10-2007, 09:57 AM
Whats he holding?

oz_da II
29-10-2007, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Whats he holding?

Any history?
What type of player is he?

PoolKing
29-10-2007, 11:12 AM
$18 -------> $1000: Played a highly odd but ultimately pleasing session on Betfair last night. It lasted 7 hours overall and I was playing with $200 which I loaded onto the site. I was playing with $25 in $50 rooms. I lost the first $100 in half an hou, everything went against me, lost with pocket Aces and pocket Kingsx2. I then went down to $50 after calling a 3 way pot to a raise with A5s and flopping the nut flush only to lose to a runner-runner full house :(

At this point I was considering posting on this thread to proclaim how rubbish and dodgy betfair poker is ;) I thought •••• it and decided to play with 2 $25 in $100 rooms and try to get a few double-ups. It didn't work though and I lost $25 in one room and only had $18 remaining in the other so $18 overall :sob:

This is where the fun began though, there were 2 awful fish in my room so I knew I had a chance, I waited and picked my moments well and worked my $18 into $120. I then split the money wisely over 3 rooms and rocketed up and kept on doing the same and ended when I reached the $1k mark....of course I was aided by good luck but also played well and I must say to Sam and other players that don't like Betfair that it has some of the worst players (mainly Greeks and Italian) that I have ever played, I saw a $140 pot which was won with K high despite an A on the flop and lots of hand possibilities, it really was crazy :lux:

Here is a hand that I favoured well on....

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 268598769 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 29, 02:50:11 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 05 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: zobeide ( $110.05 )
Seat 2: Poolio22 ( $209.65 )
Seat 3: ggbd ( $124.62 )
Seat 4: IRAKLIS ( $225.69 )
Seat 5: xulia ( $125.30 )
Seat 6: yellowpages ( $88.85 )
Poolio22 posts small blind [$0.50]
ggbd posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Poolio22 [ 7h, 7c ]
IRAKLIS raises to [$2]
xulia calls [$2]
yellowpages calls [$2]
zobeide calls [$2]
Poolio22 calls [$1.50]
ggbd calls [$1]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 7s, 2d ]
Poolio22 checks
ggbd checks
IRAKLIS checks
xulia checks
yellowpages checks
zobeide bets [$8]
Poolio22 raises to [$16]
ggbd folds
IRAKLIS folds
xulia folds
yellowpages folds
zobeide calls [$8]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Poolio22 checks
zobeide bets [$44]
Poolio22 calls [$44]
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
Poolio22 bets [$132]
zobeide calls [$48.05]
zobeide goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [$83.95] to Poolio22
** Showdown **
zobeide shows [ Ad, 7d ] full house, Deuces full of Sevens
Poolio22 shows [ 7h, 7c ] full house, Sevens full of Deuces
** Hand Conclusion **
Poolio22 wins $225.10 from main pot with full house, Sevens full of Deuces
************ Game 268598769 ends ************

SamTheOldGoat
29-10-2007, 11:19 AM
NH NH with sevens, lol at his turn call!

Maybe I'll try and play on there again..... nice work pal :)

PoolKing
29-10-2007, 11:36 AM
Was trying to dig out some really poor opponent play, check out this one...this player was on $250 and went to $0, reloaded $100 and lost that too. (by the way I know I am guilty of not playing this hand properly as many would go all-in on the flop).

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 268583285 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 29, 01:33:57 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 11 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: michaell911 ( $96.28 )
Seat 2: zobeide ( $0 )
Seat 3: Poolio22 ( $113.50 )
Seat 4: lobolobo ( $124.45 )
Seat 5: Veebe ( $13.80 )
Seat 6: yellowpages ( $138.86 )
lobolobo posts small blind [$0.50]
Veebe posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Poolio22 [ As, 6s ]
yellowpages raises to [$2]
michaell911 folds
Poolio22 calls [$2]
lobolobo raises to [$8]
Veebe folds
yellowpages folds
Poolio22 calls [$6]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Ks, 9s ]
lobolobo bets [$15]
Poolio22 calls [$15]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
lobolobo bets [$15]
Poolio22 calls [$15]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
lobolobo bets [$26]
Poolio22 goes all-in
Poolio22 raises to [$75.50]
lobolobo calls [$49.50]
** Showdown **
Poolio22 shows [ As, 6s ] a Flush
lobolobo shows [ Jd, Js ] a pair of Jacks
** Hand Conclusion **
Poolio22 wins $227 from main pot with a Flush
************ Game 268583285 ends ************

SamTheOldGoat
29-10-2007, 11:59 AM
GOLD A+

You got HH of K high?

oz_da II
29-10-2007, 12:03 PM
wow....

:eek:

PoolKing
29-10-2007, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
GOLD A+

You got HH of K high?

Will try to find it....

PoolKing
29-10-2007, 12:13 PM
Found 1 K high hand, not the one I was thinking of though :(

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 268526568 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 28, 22:53:13 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 17 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: janmor20 ( $56.42 )
Seat 2: canaljoey ( $80.08 )
Seat 3: gionelson ( $61.27 )
Seat 4: AsM99 ( $184.78 )
Seat 5: falconeri ( $102.25 )
Seat 6: Poolio22 ( $14.57 )
janmor20 posts small blind [$0.50]
canaljoey posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Poolio22 [ Jh, 3c ]
gionelson calls [$1]
AsM99 calls [$1]
falconeri calls [$1]
Poolio22 folds
janmor20 calls [$0.50]
canaljoey checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, Qs, 8h ]
janmor20 checks
canaljoey bets [$3]
gionelson raises to [$6]
AsM99 folds
falconeri folds
janmor20 folds
canaljoey calls [$3]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
canaljoey checks
gionelson checks
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
canaljoey checks
gionelson bets [$17]
canaljoey calls [$17]
** Showdown **
gionelson shows [ 5s, 7s ] a pair of Queens
canaljoey shows [ Ks, Ts ] a pair of Queens
** Hand Conclusion **
canaljoey wins $48.45 from main pot with a pair of Queens
************ Game 268526568 ends ************

PoolKing
29-10-2007, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
GOLD A+

You got HH of K high?

Can't find it, maybe I imagined it or maybe it wasn't as big a pot as I thought or someone may have moved in for a lot and the bet was uncalled and the bettor showed ????

Regardless of that though there was some extraordinarily crazy action on Betfair last night :p

DANCOO
29-10-2007, 01:00 PM
Any decent hi/lo action on Betfair?

Fairing really well at the moment on the Laddies (hoping not to jinx myself). The last two weeks has just paid for a return fair London>San Francisco, and I'm halfway to winning that back again in the last two or three days. :)

SamTheOldGoat
29-10-2007, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Can't find it, maybe I imagined it or maybe it wasn't as big a pot as I thought or someone may have moved in for a lot and the bet was uncalled and the bettor showed ????

Regardless of that though there was some extraordinarily crazy action on Betfair last night :p

Good stuff. Well done chap :)

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 01:51 AM
Put $200 on the new Dusk til Dawn site the other day to see if I can get into their $500 Opening Event - missed the first qualifier on Friday but just tried my luck at the $50+5 $13k event tonight and came fifth for $790!

I like that site :)

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 01:53 AM
Meanwhile, satellited into the Full Tilt $150+15 $55k tonight - 100 of 217 left at the moment

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Meanwhile, satellited into the Full Tilt $150+15 $55k tonight - 100 of 217 left at the moment

23 of 66

cashing at 45

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
23 of 66

cashing at 45

15 of 41

(I'm always talking to myself at this time of night! :D )

Chester
30-10-2007, 03:58 AM
Im still here.

You must have the weirdest sleep patterns in the world.

Good luck though :p

Chester
30-10-2007, 04:00 AM
Just to keep you interested if you are bothered.

What do you think turned you into a winning player?

Books, training sites, lots of online play etc etc as I am very impressed with you regular wins.

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 04:47 AM
16 of 17

I'll answer that when I'm out - getting a bit hairy!!

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 04:50 AM
13 of 14

up to $627 now

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 04:56 AM
8 of 13 - getting interesting now

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 05:00 AM
what you doing up at this time Chester? You playing?

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 05:02 AM
Final Table

'aaave iiiit!!!!

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 05:22 AM
Out in 8th for $1740.

Pushed with 10 10 - called by chip leader in BB with AK. Hit trip Ks

Not bad though from two tourneys tonight though. 5th of 250 on DtD and 8th of 465 on FT. Net up $2400 approx

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 05:38 AM
Answer to your question Chester....

I started playing about 6 months ago and picked it up as I went along. I seemed to have a knack for the game and won every now and then but got intimidated by better players. I always seemed to find myself around the bubble desperately hanging on.

I read a few books but to be honest stuff like Sklansky left me cold - I don't have time to work out all that EV stuff when theres a buzzer screeching at you to take your turn!!

I read the mags and have gradually trial and errored some of the tips you get in them to good effect.

I used to watch Poker Night Live on the tv which I found excellent for getting analysis of play as you watch

And I suppose without realising it I am just learning from experience.

I have been reading Harrington on Hold em recently and am pleasantly surprised to find that I get about 95% of the hand reads right in the examples (well I say right - I mean I come up with the answer he proposes) so I guess I must be getting there!

The three biggest moves that changed my game from winning occasionally to winning regularly were 1) Learning when to leave hands like AJ alone! 2) Continuation bets - if I didnt hit I used to check. Now I play much tighter pre- and much more aggressively post flop. 3) Being much less intimidated with a short stack. Rather than get blinded away I move to push or fold at 10 big blinds left

And thats it really. The only other thing I would say is that there is a huge difference between cash and tournament play. I can't play cash to save my life. WIth tournaments I have a feel for the situation and I do play the SITUATION rather than the pot odds or implied odds and that is where I take issue with much of the expert strategy in books. I saw Greg Raymer as quoted he was more than happy to get his chips in as a 60:40 favourite in the first level of a tourney. He maybe a champion but I make him off his rocker. Odds in favour each time or not - you're still getting knocked out if you do that 3 times in a tournament. In a cash game you can put your hand in your pocket again so its always the right thing to do. Sure, I take odds into consideration - but the situation has to warrant me playing too.

I still have a lot to learn - I need to figure out what separates out players like me from players that consistently take down huge cashes. I think its sheer aggression in the latter stages but whenever I try that the other guy always has AA :) !!

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 05:40 AM
Not much point in going to bed now. Breakfast at Costa Coffee I think...

Finbar
30-10-2007, 07:41 AM
Nice one Paul, envy your lifestyle!

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 07:54 AM
3/10 in $77 6max, pays 4.4............

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 08:40 AM
2/3, guaranteed 2k...... this is Leon btw..... at least he's covered buy ins for EVERY tourny on Stars last night :D

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 08:41 AM
ps, Is anyone coming up to Walsall on Sat for the APAT event?

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 08:46 AM
2/2.....

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
2/2.....

Damn - pipped to the BBS daily tournament winnings title :D

Nice one Sam/Leon :lux:

What exactly is this Walsall thing? I haven't taken much notice of it to tell the truth (probably something to do with having been to Walsall with Palace and having no wish to set foot in it again!)

PoolKing
30-10-2007, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
I used to watch Poker Night Live on the tv which I found excellent for getting analysis of play as you watch


I used to watch this too and looking bac it did make me sharp, especially if I watched it before playing a tournament. I think I stopped watching it when they put the woman on it and it became a little too basic and certain presenters thought they were comedians.

May try tuning in tonight if it is still on and see what it's like now.

PoolKing
30-10-2007, 10:18 AM
Sam I have noticed you post re: Leon quite a bit and haven't picked up who is this, is it your brother?

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Damn - pipped to the BBS daily tournament winnings title :D

Nice one Sam/Leon :lux:

What exactly is this Walsall thing? I haven't taken much notice of it to tell the truth (probably something to do with having been to Walsall with Palace and having no wish to set foot in it again!)

:D, how much did he win Paul, I was at work when it finished?!

Some APAT thing, check APAT.COM, good structure tournies etc :)

Well done on your wins last night Paul, great feeling to win over £1k, and think of it in wages/week :D

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Sam I have noticed you post re: Leon quite a bit and haven't picked up who is this, is it your brother?

Yes it is Alex, we often play together etc but he's been running pretty bad recently...... I'm pretty much solely a cash game player and he doesn't play as much cash anymore, some 1/2 here and there but plays SNG's on various sites and MTT's. I think he's registered/posted on here before?! :)

How you finding Stans PK?

Strathclyde Eagle
30-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I used to watch this too and looking bac it did make me sharp, especially if I watched it before playing a tournament. I think I stopped watching it when they put the woman on it and it became a little too basic and certain presenters thought they were comedians.

May try tuning in tonight if it is still on and see what it's like now.
Don't think it's on any more. I think all the presenters went to Sky Poker. :(

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Don't think it's on any more. I think all the presenters went to Sky Poker. :(

Correct

Paul Romain
30-10-2007, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
:D, how much did he win Paul, I was at work when it finished?!



$2986

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
$2986
Cheers Paul, happy days :D

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 12:10 PM
ps, nice Costa breakfast? :p

PoolKing
30-10-2007, 02:35 PM
For all former viewers of Poker Night Live, it says on the net that the legend that was the 'Axxeman' is looking at quitting online poker, he blames collusion in high stakes games. It says he has a blog on EMS....anyone know where his blog is and/or what EMS is???

Finbar
30-10-2007, 02:38 PM
Looking on Google appears to be Eat My Stack poker forum

Details here http://www.eatmystack.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3895&page=2

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 02:40 PM
Many nights at Uni were spent texting in and watching Axxeman. The good days :)

Chester
30-10-2007, 03:28 PM
Did you see that someone won back to back Sunday Millions. Now that is an impressive feat!

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 03:57 PM
No? I know DuckU has won the FTP Mulligan isn't it back to back, but that's 'only' 100k guaranteed I think!?!?!? Got a link?

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 03:59 PM
WOW, just found it FTP million last week and Stars million this week?!?! WTF!

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 04:01 PM
$430K IN ONE WEEK! :D

Chester
30-10-2007, 04:03 PM
http://www.pocketfives.com/CE4D2575-0C28-4CF7-8FB5-9B7495351532.aspx

This is the thread on P5´s. He is Soooted on there

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 04:05 PM
yer yer, saw it. Animal

KevTheOptimist
30-10-2007, 09:07 PM
Next weeks high stakes poker is a $500k buy in. Some guy Called Gee(sp?) is playing and the action looks quite sick!

ANyone been keeping up with it all? Some funny stuff going on with Hellmuth/Farha and co.

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 09:26 PM
Yup, been watching it on PokerTube :D Lovin' it!

oz_da II
30-10-2007, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Next weeks high stakes poker is a $500k buy in. Some guy Called Gee(sp?) is playing and the action looks quite sick!

ANyone been keeping up with it all?

The Canadian Billionnaire Circus bloke?
Those pots are like pennies for him, I think he's only been playing for a year or so.

SamTheOldGoat
30-10-2007, 10:42 PM
Ahhh, if it is, he owns and runs Cirque De Soleil. SUPER rich. Plays on Stars as NEMO234. Check his sharkscope ;)

saul1664
30-10-2007, 11:17 PM
Can't make any profit at the moment, why do I run into idiots whenever I hit a premium hand. How can you make the call he does pre-flop here ...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 269346072 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 30, 23:10:45 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 03 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Malahide ( $96.49 )
Seat 2: pshaped ( $77.22 )
Seat 3: ahomake ( $146.43 )
Seat 4: saul1664 ( $107.75 )
Seat 5: goodster ( $105.80 )
Seat 6: polski ( $52.55 )
goodster posts small blind [$0.50]
polski posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Ks, Kd ]
Malahide raises to [$3.50]
pshaped folds
ahomake folds
saul1664 raises to [$9]
goodster folds
polski goes all-in
polski raises to [$52.55]
Malahide folds
saul1664 calls [$43.55]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Ks, Kd ]
polski shows [ Th, Ts ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Qd, Tc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
** Hand Conclusion **
polski wins $106.10 from main pot with three of a kind, Tens
************ Game 269346072 ends ************

oz_da II
30-10-2007, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Can't make any profit at the moment, why do I run into idiots whenever I hit a premium hand. How can you make the call he does pre-flop here ...


He didn't call, he raised.

You want to run into idiots when you have a premium hand, that's where most of the profit in poker is made, no one makes much profit (if any) against good players.

saul1664
30-10-2007, 11:44 PM
By call, obviously I mean the all in raise.

saul1664
30-10-2007, 11:57 PM
and now A8 hitting two pair on the flop being beaten by 73 offsuit with consecutive 7s for quads. Hmmmmm....

oz_da II
30-10-2007, 11:58 PM
Say raise then. :moo:

You're original question should ask, "Why do I always run into lucky idiots?" You're miles in front when the money went in, can't ask for more than that.

saul1664
31-10-2007, 12:09 AM
whole buy in gone now. Trip 4s on flop vs KK, K on river.

PoolKing
31-10-2007, 12:10 AM
Jesus wept Saul, just saw the J4 hand you had to flop trips vs. pocket Ks to a mug that couldn't lay down with the A there and rivered the K for a full house. Brutal stuff :(

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 12:51 AM
Leons approaching bubble in $33R on stars, pays just under 4k, 12 get paid,,,,,

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 12:51 AM
Bed for me, night fellow 'players'

saul1664
31-10-2007, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Jesus wept Saul, just saw the J4 hand you had to flop trips vs. pocket Ks to a mug that couldn't lay down with the A there and rivered the K for a full house. Brutal stuff :(

When you are not destined to win, you are not destined to win. In STT very short stacked, have 9K, two limp in, flop comes 9K2, two clubs, other guy pushes all in, I obviously call, putting him on either flush draw or a bit of the flop, he has A9, and I'm in good shape. Turn A.

oz_da II
31-10-2007, 01:07 AM
Take a break from hold 'em.
Play Razz or something. ;)

PoolKing
31-10-2007, 01:16 AM
Saul, I think you are in the wrong cash room. All of the players are ok, there are no real cretins there. Go to a room with a nice greek fish in!

saul1664
31-10-2007, 02:36 AM
can't take any more. That zobeide has $400 by default. First his retard AJ vs A8 all in call, and then gets his all in reraise with AA called by AQ. You're doing ok.

Chester
31-10-2007, 03:08 AM
Saul you are clearly a far better poker player than I but it seems that you have hit one of those ruts that saps your confidence.

Continually being donked, river river calls etc.

Take a break, be it a day, a week or a month. Just make sure you start enjoying your poker again not looking over your shoulder for the next person that can give you a bad beat.

The most important thing is to enjoy your poker, this enables you to analyse hands properly and generally make the most solid conditions.

From your posts it (clearly with the beats and all) is not 'fun' any more.

Have a night off, a deep breath and everything will sort itself out

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Take a break from hold 'em.
Play Razz or something. ;)

Best game on the planet.

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Saul you are clearly a far better poker player than I but it seems that you have hit one of those ruts that saps your confidence.

Continually being donked, river river calls etc.

Take a break, be it a day, a week or a month. Just make sure you start enjoying your poker again not looking over your shoulder for the next person that can give you a bad beat.

The most important thing is to enjoy your poker, this enables you to analyse hands properly and generally make the most solid conditions.

From your posts it (clearly with the beats and all) is not 'fun' any more.

Have a night off, a deep breath and everything will sort itself out

Very wise words from Chester. When I had a pretty savage downswing in June or whenever it was it was depressing. It's not fun losing thousands but hey ho, it happens and me taking a couple of months off form playing anything remotely resembling higher stakes helped me out. Just take a break. Instead of putting 3 hours into playing a couple of tables, put an hour into studying on a forum or a book and enjoy the other 2 hours by excercise or anything else. Worked for me :)

PoolKing
31-10-2007, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
can't take any more. That zobeide has $400 by default. First his retard AJ vs A8 all in call, and then gets his all in reraise with AA called by AQ. You're doing ok.

After you had left the table I was a benefactor from these 2 shocking plays on my other table. The good times will come again Saul, just control the losses when you are running cold.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 269416337 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 31, 03:03:11 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 30 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: dolls ( $165.47 )
Seat 2: Mr. Slots ( $99.66 )
Seat 3: Conehead ( $124.70 )
Seat 4: Overwinnaar ( $98.40 )
Seat 5: POkerDDD ( $69.80 )
Seat 6: Poolio22 ( $62.15 )
Mr. Slots posts small blind [$0.50]
Conehead posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Poolio22 [ Ks, Kh ]
Overwinnaar calls [$1]
POkerDDD calls [$1]
Poolio22 raises to [$6]
dolls calls [$6]
Mr. Slots folds
Conehead calls [$5]
Overwinnaar folds
POkerDDD folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 2h, 9s ]
Conehead checks
Poolio22 bets [$8]
dolls calls [$8]
Conehead calls [$8]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Conehead checks
Poolio22 bets [$25]
dolls folds
Conehead calls [$25]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
Conehead checks
Poolio22 goes all-in
Poolio22 bets [$23.15]
Conehead calls [$23.15]
** Showdown **
Conehead shows [ 5h, 6h ] two pair, Nines and Sixes
Poolio22 shows [ Ks, Kh ] two pair, Kings and Nines
** Hand Conclusion **
Poolio22 wins $137.80 from main pot with two pair, Kings and Nines
************ Game 269416337 ends ************





2nd hand the file is corrupted and I can't get it to load. Anyway, a summary, I am dealt JJ on the button, dodgy opponent raises $4, I reraise $12, he calls. Flop is 9 4 2 or something like that, he bets $15, I move all-in for $80 or so, he calls and shows 9 7, Jacks hold for the win :p

PoolKing
31-10-2007, 10:52 AM
Also Sam, in answer to your earlier question re: Stan James. I haven't played too much on there yet for 2 reasons. The first is that rakeback is done monthly and in october I hadn't raked a lot so my rakeback isn't that much to be honest and I have been doing well on betfair for the past couple of days but will play HEAVILY on Stans again from November 1st.

Also, I appear to be jinxed on Stans, I have deposited around £500 and have lost it and not made ANY withdrawals, lost mainly on extra poor run in MTTs but some lost in cash rooms!

saul1664
31-10-2007, 11:10 AM
Now this is a very bad beat ...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 269460110 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 31, 10:58:50 GMT 2007
Table Neon 03 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: saul1664 ( $44.70 )
Seat 2: shifty1 ( $54.73 )
Seat 3: snugger ( $21.14 )
Seat 4: josivix ( $22.95 )
Seat 5: lajava ( $41.96 )
Seat 6: drut75 ( $61.75 )
drut75 posts small blind [$0.25]
saul1664 posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 8h, Qh ]
shifty1 calls [$0.50]
snugger folds
josivix raises to [$1]
lajava folds
drut75 calls [$0.75]
saul1664 calls [$0.50]
shifty1 calls [$0.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Jh, Th ]
drut75 checks
saul1664 bets [$0.50]
shifty1 folds
josivix raises to [$5.50]
drut75 calls [$5.50]
saul1664 calls [$5]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
drut75 checks
saul1664 checks
josivix checks
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
drut75 checks
saul1664 bets [$6]
josivix raises to [$12]
drut75 folds
saul1664 goes all-in
saul1664 raises to [$38.20]
josivix calls [$4.45]
josivix goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [$21.75] to saul1664
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ 8h, Qh ] a straight flush, Queen to Eight
josivix shows [ Ts, Td ] four of a kind, Tens
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $50.75 from main pot with a straight flush, Queen to Eight
************ Game 269460110 ends ************

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 11:23 AM
FRICKING HELL! Now THAT'S a bad beat, and I don't mind seeing those! It's the 2/10 outers than wind me up! :D

Gav The Hamster
31-10-2007, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
By call, obviously I mean the all in raise.

I would fold or push in that position with 10 10.

You just got unlucky, not a shocking beat by any means

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 11:33 AM
THIRD NUTSSSSSSSSSSSS IS NEVER GOOD! :(

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Also Sam, in answer to your earlier question re: Stan James. I haven't played too much on there yet for 2 reasons. The first is that rakeback is done monthly and in october I hadn't raked a lot so my rakeback isn't that much to be honest and I have been doing well on betfair for the past couple of days but will play HEAVILY on Stans again from November 1st.

Also, I appear to be jinxed on Stans, I have deposited around £500 and have lost it and not made ANY withdrawals, lost mainly on extra poor run in MTTs but some lost in cash rooms!

Mate, it's no probs if you don't stay on Stans, nothing happens etc :) Betfair sounds too juicy to leave!

Gav The Hamster
31-10-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
FRICKING HELL! Now THAT'S a bad beat, and I don't mind seeing those! It's the 2/10 outers than wind me up! :D

i must have showed you the hand where the guy flopped quads on a board of something like 777 and I hit runner runner straight flush to beat him and take his money.

Now THAT is a bad beat lol

saul1664
31-10-2007, 11:46 AM
Not saying it was a bad beat just a pretty shocking call, what does he think he is beating pre flop, at best 55% favourite, at worst 80% underdog.

saul1664
31-10-2007, 11:48 AM
And another nice pot..

Nice to crack AA for a change

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 269468141 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 31, 11:27:56 GMT 2007
Table Neon 09 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: saul1664 ( $53.23 )
Seat 2: Sindred ( $5.60 )
Seat 3: drossel69 ( $53.20 )
Seat 4: noddy 21 ( $30.10 )
Seat 5: shnib ( $61.98 )
Seat 6: AlasNoLuc ( $79 )
shnib posts small blind [$0.25]
AlasNoLuc posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 7c, 7d ]
saul1664 raises to [$1]
Sindred folds
drossel69 raises to [$3]
noddy 21 calls [$3]
shnib folds
AlasNoLuc folds
saul1664 calls [$2]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Jc, Td ]
saul1664 checks
drossel69 bets [$12]
noddy 21 goes all-in
noddy 21 raises to [$27.10]
saul1664 goes all-in
saul1664 raises to [$50.23]
drossel69 calls [$38.20]
drossel69 goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [$0.03] to saul1664
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ 7c, 7d ]
drossel69 shows [ Ad, Ah ]
noddy 21 shows [ Qh, Js ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $46.20 from side pot #1 with full house, Sevens full of Tens
saul1664 wins $88.05 from main pot with full house, Sevens full of Tens
************ Game 269468141 ends ************

saul1664
31-10-2007, 11:52 AM
Can I put this guy on the straight, don't think so, so it's a river re-raise...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 269471423 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 31, 11:42:01 GMT 2007
Table Neon 09 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: saul1664 ( $136.33 )
Seat 2: Pierreba ( $7.06 )
Seat 3: kokozoo ( $35.18 )
Seat 4: drimper12 ( $46.05 )
Seat 5: shnib ( $68.23 )
Seat 6: AlasNoLuc ( $77.20 )
kokozoo posts small blind [$0.25]
drimper12 posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Qh, Qs ]
shnib folds
AlasNoLuc folds
saul1664 raises to [$2]
Pierreba folds
kokozoo calls [$1.75]
drimper12 calls [$1.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 6c, 4d ]
kokozoo checks
drimper12 bets [$3]
saul1664 calls [$3]
kokozoo calls [$3]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
kokozoo checks
drimper12 bets [$3]
saul1664 calls [$3]
kokozoo calls [$3]
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
kokozoo checks
drimper12 bets [$5]
saul1664 raises to [$10]
kokozoo folds
drimper12 calls [$5]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Qh, Qs ] three of a kind, Queens
drimper12 mucks [ Qc, 5c ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $41.80 from main pot with three of a kind, Queens
************ Game 269471423 ends ************

PoolKing
31-10-2007, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Not saying it was a bad beat just a pretty shocking call, what does he think he is beating pre flop, at best 55% favourite, at worst 80% underdog.

I don't want to stick up for the TT player as I feel his play was OTT but in his defence an all-in move is a lot different to calling an all-in. You had reraised already and there was $12 or so in the pot. I am not sure how you were playing before but by going all-in he may have thought you would fold and he would pick up the pot which would have added a decent % to his stack.

Micky Droy
31-10-2007, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I don't want to stick up for the TT player as I feel his play was OTT but in his defence an all-in move is a lot different to calling an all-in. You had reraised already and there was $12 or so in the pot. I am not sure how you were playing before but by going all-in he may have thought you would fold and he would pick up the pot which would have added a decent % to his stack.

Ah, 'playing the player' rather than the cards. Yes, I have heard tell of this...

saul1664
31-10-2007, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I don't want to stick up for the TT player as I feel his play was OTT but in his defence an all-in move is a lot different to calling an all-in. You had reraised already and there was $12 or so in the pot. I am not sure how you were playing before but by going all-in he may have thought you would fold and he would pick up the pot which would have added a decent % to his stack.

Yes the famed squeeze play. The pot wasn't two handed at that stage, he pushed to a raise and re-raise. Had been playing fairly tight, probably first hand in 25 I was involved in and first hand where I had re-raised a pot.

PoolKing
31-10-2007, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Yes the famed squeeze play. The pot wasn't two handed at that stage, he pushed to a raise and re-raise. Had been playing fairly tight, probably first hand in 25 I was involved in and first hand where I had re-raised a pot.

In that case he just sounds like a standard muppet :p

saul1664
31-10-2007, 12:30 PM
Still after yesterday, can do no wrong today. 5d 6d finds two 5s on the flop, and a FH on river, which gets called by flush. And 97 just made quads.

saul1664
31-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Can I/shoud I have got more out of this pot?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 269482043 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 31, 12:26:01 GMT 2007
Table Neon 03 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: saul1664 ( $89.04 )
Seat 2: drossel69 ( $65.48 )
Seat 3: petepablo ( $11.88 )
Seat 4: theworm ( $49.25 )
Seat 5: lenny123 ( $23.45 )
Seat 6: MinDTrickS ( $49.50 )
saul1664 posts small blind [$0.25]
drossel69 posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 9c, 7c ]
petepablo folds
theworm folds
lenny123 folds
saul1664 raises to [$1]
drossel69 calls [$0.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 5s, Ac ]
saul1664 bets [$2]
drossel69 calls [$2]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
saul1664 bets [$3.20]
drossel69 calls [$3.20]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
saul1664 bets [$7]
drossel69 calls [$7]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ 9c, 7c ] four of a kind, Nines
drossel69 mucks [ Ah, 8s ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $25.10 from main pot with four of a kind, Nines
************ Game 269482043 ends ************

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 01:22 PM
I shove river........

saul1664
31-10-2007, 01:36 PM
Only if you put him on the ace?

oz_da II
31-10-2007, 01:43 PM
What's Drossel69 doing on the flop? :moo:
Looks like he's calling any bet as he's done for the entire hand.

saul1664
31-10-2007, 01:53 PM
That's the problem of playing Ax, you never know where you stand on the flop.

oz_da II
31-10-2007, 01:57 PM
Yep, rarely play it and certainly don't call a raise with it.

saul1664
31-10-2007, 03:37 PM
I will raise with it especially if suited, and follow up with a continuation bet into an unraised pot, but extremely rarely out of position, and only on a passive table.

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 06:22 PM
A friend of mine from home is a guest on SKY POKER tonight. I'm going to sign up to try and play him :D Stephen Grant if anyone's watching, I know he's only played small stakes before but an intelligent guy so look forward to seeing his game!

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 06:22 PM
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SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 06:52 PM
Anyone else want to play, could play for a couple of quid for who lasts longer?

Strathclyde Eagle
31-10-2007, 08:11 PM
Bet you get sucked out on at some point Sam. Some of the plays there are terrible.

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 09:39 PM
lol, Lost a race 55 v AQ v a small stack, av now is 5.5k and I'm on 6.5k. Play is HORRIFIC

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 09:45 PM
Lol, squeeze A5 v K9, bb 400. Obviously K9 is good for 3.3k LOL

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 09:57 PM
A10>AQ :D

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 10:55 PM
Bubbled in 85th, poker karma, 66<33 :( Nevermind, outlasted my friend! If anyones up for what seems like an easy turbo MTT, try it out, only a tenner to play!

SamTheOldGoat
31-10-2007, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Next weeks high stakes poker is a $500k buy in. Some guy Called Gee(sp?) is playing and the action looks quite sick!

ANyone been keeping up with it all? Some funny stuff going on with Hellmuth/Farha and co.

Kev, did you think like me that Jamie could have value bet a couple of those hands but 'bottled' it?

Paul Romain
01-11-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Bubbled in 85th, poker karma, 66<33 :( Nevermind, outlasted my friend! If anyones up for what seems like an easy turbo MTT, try it out, only a tenner to play!

Knowing me I would do something extremely silly which would then be re-run over and over again for the public's entertainment.

I watched a bit of it last night and it did seem a bit loose to say the least. Didn't see your name in lights Sam.

Paul Romain
01-11-2007, 10:36 AM
Went to see my surgeon yesterday over long standing hip problems and it seems that it is now completely fkd. Have to have a hip replacement which, as I am "only" 45 is a bit of a bummer. I now feel like a geriatric.

Apparently I will be on crutches for 6 weeks - I wonder what I can do to keep myself occupied!! I have at least managed to delay op until Dec 7 so I can still get to the Virgin Poker fest and possibly the Dusk til Dawn opening but after that it looks like I will be spending every waking hour on the laptop for a while :)

At least I will have a decent excuse for not turning up to watch Palace lose...don't think I will be managing the steps to the Upper Holmesdale!!

Finbar
01-11-2007, 11:25 AM
ouch, will be nice to sit in bed with a clear conscience at least, hope all goes well :)

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Knowing me I would do something extremely silly which would then be re-run over and over again for the public's entertainment.

I watched a bit of it last night and it did seem a bit loose to say the least. Didn't see your name in lights Sam.

No sky at house in Cardiff so didn't watch. Was NiceHitFis as couldn't fit H on the end :D. Not sure if they showed the bubble hand, ach well.

APAT IN WALSALL IN 48 HOURS!

WHO IS GOING PLEASE?!

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2007, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Went to see my surgeon yesterday over long standing hip problems and it seems that it is now completely fkd. Have to have a hip replacement which, as I am "only" 45 is a bit of a bummer. I now feel like a geriatric.

Apparently I will be on crutches for 6 weeks - I wonder what I can do to keep myself occupied!! I have at least managed to delay op until Dec 7 so I can still get to the Virgin Poker fest and possibly the Dusk til Dawn opening but after that it looks like I will be spending every waking hour on the laptop for a while :)

At least I will have a decent excuse for not turning up to watch Palace lose...don't think I will be managing the steps to the Upper Holmesdale!!

Great excuse not to go and watch Palace :D

Are you a fan of turbo tournies Paul?

saul1664
01-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Pants morning. Had stack decimated early on, on 50 table, with KK going down to A7 (A on flop), and folding Kings to AK, when again A hits the flop, and then losing AK to A8, with A8 on flop and 8 again on turn for good measure (though that at least enabled me to get away from losing more on that hand). And on 25 table, guy tells me he likes fishing as everyone else does it, so calls me pre flop, flop, turn with my JA dominating his lone Q, with a J on the flop for him to hit Q on the river. From being a comfortable $60 up, I've finished about $12 up. And to add insult to injury, the horse I backed on betfair that trotted up, I now find I didn't back as it was unmatched (though it said it was matched at the time), that's never ever happened before. :bash:

SamTheOldGoat
01-11-2007, 03:46 PM
So your in positive for the morning? That's something :D

PS. Quit betting sports or are you a 'winner' at it?

saul1664
01-11-2007, 04:12 PM
Winner, about 70% win ratio.

saul1664
01-11-2007, 04:13 PM
8 from 13 last week, 4 from 5 (5 from 6 with horse) this week

saul1664
01-11-2007, 04:48 PM
and $100 up from afternoon session. Mainly thanks to a flopped flush vs flopped nut straight.

PoolKing
01-11-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PS. Quit betting sports

Sports betting is the biggest bankroll killer amongst poker players.

Gav The Hamster
01-11-2007, 07:47 PM
Alex, quick question - I remember your 'poker share' project and look at your blog every so often. I think you pledged to play x number of tournaments every month etc etc but dont really seem to have carried this out (I may be missing something so forgive me if I am!)

Aren't your 'investors' a little pissed off with you ? Not that they arent getting a big return but more that you arent delivering what you promised in terms of tourneys played and keeping the blog up to date ?

Just an observation and obviously none of my business but was just wondering !

saul1664
01-11-2007, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Sports betting is the biggest bankroll killer amongst poker players.

not for me

Paul Romain
01-11-2007, 10:48 PM
Just won a $20 rebuy ($62 total) to Full Tilt Main Event. Was already entered so thats another $550 in the bank :)

I think multi-satelliting in to these events is a really good way of building bankroll. It seems a lot easier to make $500 from a $60 outlay this way than it is to make $500 from a $60 freezeout tourney. Anyone else find this?

saul1664
02-11-2007, 08:49 AM
Bumbling along $60 up in early morning session. Get AA in last position in unraised pot (25 nl), raise to $3, 3 callers. Flop, inoffensive looking 4 5 9 rainbow. Small stack ($12) pushes all in, stack behind pushes all in, I call.

Small stack has 44 for trips, other stack has QQ so have him covered, turn Q river Q. :eek: :rolleyes:

PoolKing
02-11-2007, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
Alex, quick question - I remember your 'poker share' project and look at your blog every so often. I think you pledged to play x number of tournaments every month etc etc but dont really seem to have carried this out (I may be missing something so forgive me if I am!)

Aren't your 'investors' a little pissed off with you ? Not that they arent getting a big return but more that you arent delivering what you promised in terms of tourneys played and keeping the blog up to date ?

Just an observation and obviously none of my business but was just wondering !

I promise to play and am contratually obliged to play at least 20 tournaments per month and I have done at least this amount, for example 33 were played last month. I say 20 is a minimum but in reality I play a lot more than that.

Strangely, I have had very little in terms of feedback. I have generated them 5.22% so far but to be honest my tournament results have been crap and I expect to do a lot better. Seeing as I am very disappointed by my results I would have expected the investors to be so too but so far I havn't received any calls or emails regarding this.

Sometimes my updates on the blog have been slack and I have received a few emails about this, asking me to update more quickly and I admit that I have been slack and from now on I will update fully after each playing day and include more of a history in my posts rather than just details of the exiting hand.

I hope that answers your queries; Now if I could ask you a question - Why did you think I wasn't playing as many tournaments as I said I would? Does it say anywhere that I will play more than 20 per month? ---- Actually, I think I may know what you are referring to..... In some of my 'goals for the week' I say that I am going to play 10 tournaments in the week and sometimes I haven't stuck to this number. If there is anything else though, please let me know.

As far as the contract is concerned though, I have pledged to average 20 a month at a minimum.

PoolKing
02-11-2007, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
not for me

Not for me either providing I stick solely to tennis. Was just reading an article once though and was surprised to see sports betting at the top of the tree for bankroll killers. It isn't too surprising though really as I recall a few poker players saying how much they have lost e.g Doyle Brunson.

Another thing at the top of the list was 'golf'. Apparently there are golf 'hustlers' who play and take money off the big money poker players!

saul1664
02-11-2007, 10:13 AM
Do you call the river here. Am I right to fold?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 270283072 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 02, 09:32:04 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 21 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: nwalsham15 ( $64.70 )
Seat 2: 'Don' ( $21.19 )
Seat 3: VoooDoooMan ( $177.54 )
Seat 4: Recordatio1 ( $102.80 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $143.55 )
Seat 6: cedro ( $33.55 )
Recordatio1 posts small blind [$0.50]
saul1664 posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Qd, Qh ]
cedro folds
nwalsham15 folds
'Don' folds
VoooDoooMan raises to [$3]
Recordatio1 folds
saul1664 calls [$2]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Js, 7c ]
saul1664 bets [$4.50]
VoooDoooMan raises to [$12]
saul1664 calls [$7.50]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
saul1664 bets [$8]
VoooDoooMan raises to [$28]
saul1664 calls [$20]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
saul1664 checks
VoooDoooMan bets [$87]
saul1664 folds
Returning uncalled bet [$87] to VoooDoooMan
** Hand Conclusion **
VoooDoooMan wins $83.50 from main pot
************ Game 270283072 ends ************

Gav The Hamster
02-11-2007, 10:27 AM
I think your losing yes. You've bet out twice and he's raised significantly both times.

Gav The Hamster
02-11-2007, 10:29 AM
Looking back pre flop, your one mistake is not re-raising pre flop. IF you got a re-raise there, I think you'd know for sure how big his hand is.

saul1664
02-11-2007, 10:35 AM
I know that. I say QQ at the end of the hand, he says ha ha JA.

Strathclyde Eagle
02-11-2007, 11:09 AM
Tough fold. Fair play to you for being able to lay that down.

Personally if said he had AJ I don't think I'd believe him. He's played it like he's got AA or KK.

Gav The Hamster
02-11-2007, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I hope that answers your queries; Now if I could ask you a question - Why did you think I wasn't playing as many tournaments as I said I would? Does it say anywhere that I will play more than 20 per month? ---- Actually, I think I may know what you are referring to..... In some of my 'goals for the week' I say that I am going to play 10 tournaments in the week and sometimes I haven't stuck to this number. If there is anything else though, please let me know.

As far as the contract is concerned though, I have pledged to average 20 a month at a minimum.

I was just interested mate....I have a look at your blog every now and again and it wouldnt appear as though you play a huge number of tournaments but then again I dont know what your contract is with your investors.

I guess you sometimes go a few days without updating it which gives the impression that you arent playing as many as you are.

Do you still play as a 'pro' or have another income these days ?

Strathclyde Eagle
02-11-2007, 09:30 PM
Just had two very odd heads-up matches.

First hand dealt ducks on the button. Blinds 10/20, raise to 60, get called.

Flop comes 2d 6c Ac, I put in 75 and get called.

Turn is a 3c, need to see if opponent has flush, put in 200. Called again.

River is Ah, am now hoping opponent has a flush or Ax (but obviously not A3 or A6). I put in 500, he comes over the top all-in, I call and beat 3 Aces.

Second match my opponent goes all-in every hand. Fold about five or six hands, then cripple him with pocket jacks - which was called by 10-6os. :eek:

gsaunders22
02-11-2007, 10:10 PM
Just been to Gala Casino Bristol - £20 freezeout. Went out after the 2nd hand.

Did I do the right thing??

Im on the big blind, action folds to the button who bets 500 (blinds are 25 & 50). Small blind folds and I look down to AQ. Being that he bets a massive 10 times the BB Im guessing he just wants a fold, perhaps he has a small pair or A 10 ??

I raise 1500 (perhaps too high) he takes an age to think then goes all in. Im pot commited here so call...he has KK hits a K on the flop....and it's all over!

Gutted...but did I do the right thing??

saul1664
02-11-2007, 10:28 PM
Easy fold early on in tournament from what is a drawing hand (you are behind to 15 other hands for a start), no need to commit early. What's the casino like, requirements for entry etc and what tournaments do they run. Thinking of going.

saul1664
02-11-2007, 10:55 PM
Massively donked out ...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 270590714 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 02, 22:39:21 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 18 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Malin25 ( $101.70 )
Seat 2: xulia ( $102.20 )
Seat 3: camelstoe ( $83.50 )
Seat 4: zioP ( $48 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $114.20 )
Seat 6: NHSFSH ( $18.33 )
xulia posts small blind [$0.50]
camelstoe posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Ts, Td ]
zioP folds
saul1664 raises to [$3.50]
NHSFSH calls [$3.50]
Malin25 folds
xulia folds
camelstoe folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, Qd, 4d ]
saul1664 bets [$4]
NHSFSH calls [$4]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
saul1664 checks
NHSFSH checks
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
saul1664 bets [$4]
NHSFSH goes all-in
NHSFSH raises to [$10.83]
saul1664 calls [$6.83]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Ts, Td ] a pair of Tens
NHSFSH shows [ Jd, 5d ] a straight, Seven to Three
** Hand Conclusion **
NHSFSH wins $36.26 from main pot with a straight, Seven to Three
************ Game 270590714 ends ************

saul1664
02-11-2007, 11:17 PM
This one's a lot better though

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 270607718 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 02, 23:10:33 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 18 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Conehead ( $100.50 )
Seat 2: xulia ( $207.20 )
Seat 3: camelstoe ( $93.80 )
Seat 4: charlie v ( $39.95 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $107.82 )
Seat 6: MrAnalizer ( $56.60 )
MrAnalizer posts small blind [$0.50]
Conehead posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 6s, 3s ]
xulia calls [$1]
camelstoe folds
charlie v folds
saul1664 calls [$1]
MrAnalizer calls [$0.50]
Conehead checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Ts, Ks ]
MrAnalizer checks
Conehead checks
xulia bets [$4]
saul1664 calls [$4]
MrAnalizer calls [$4]
Conehead folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
MrAnalizer checks
xulia bets [$16]
saul1664 calls [$16]
MrAnalizer calls [$16]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
MrAnalizer checks
xulia bets [$30]
saul1664 raises to [$60]
MrAnalizer folds
xulia calls [$30]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ 6s, 3s ] a Flush
xulia mucks [ Qh, Jd ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $181 from main pot with a Flush
************ Game 270607718 ends ************

gsaunders22
02-11-2007, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Easy fold early on in tournament from what is a drawing hand (you are behind to 15 other hands for a start), no need to commit early. What's the casino like, requirements for entry etc and what tournaments do they run. Thinking of going.

Casino is excellent, lovely looking card room, decent chips and dealers!! + there was 120 players.

£20 freeze out + £2 reg fee. They run tourneys every day ranging from £10 - £50 freeze outs and £10 - £20 rebuys. Afternoons and evenings.

Will defo go again.

Just thought a raise would win me the pot, thought I was ahead coz he raised 10 x the big blind in what looked liked a standard (if what massive) button raise.

Paul Romain
02-11-2007, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Just been to Gala Casino Bristol - £20 freezeout. Went out after the 2nd hand.

Did I do the right thing??

Im on the big blind, action folds to the button who bets 500 (blinds are 25 & 50). Small blind folds and I look down to AQ. Being that he bets a massive 10 times the BB Im guessing he just wants a fold, perhaps he has a small pair or A 10 ??

I raise 1500 (perhaps too high) he takes an age to think then goes all in. Im pot commited here so call...he has KK hits a K on the flop....and it's all over!

Gutted...but did I do the right thing??

Not for me...he may well prefer a fold but nevertherless I would be putting him on at least a small pair and you're into a coinflip for your tournament when you don't need to be.

(also I have seen this move a few times recently where people are trying to tempt an allin from the looser gamblers in early levels, effectively representing a hand that wants a fold as a double bluff)

PoolKing
02-11-2007, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster

I guess you sometimes go a few days without updating it which gives the impression that you arent playing as many as you are.

Do you still play as a 'pro' or have another income these days ?

You are definitely right about the updates. I have made it a priority now to update the blog at the end of a day's play.

Poker is where I focus most of my energy and time these days but a significant part of my income is from tradin the ForEx markets and other financial markets.

samtheeagle
02-11-2007, 11:40 PM
Dear sambhygreen,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
You qualified to play in Tournament #65304349 and are automatically registered for it.
See Tournament #65304349 Lobby for further details.

If you choose to unregister from this tournament your account will be credited
with 650.00 W$. W$ can be used to buy into any qualifying special PokerStars event.
Visit our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/tournaments.html for more details.



Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.


Poker Stars caribbean adventure here I come!

Paul Romain
02-11-2007, 11:41 PM
Meanwhile I have just been battling for the only seat at Dusk Till Dawn's opening weekend event Dec 1 in Nottingham in a 15 runner $120 satellite

From the DTD site...

"On Saturday 1st December, Dusk Till Dawn will be hosting the most exclusive poker tournament in Europe. Only 108 players will be allowed to enter, the majority of whom will have been personally invited"

I hate to blow my own trumpet (again :D ) but....

I'm on my way to Nottingham to play with the big boys! :lux: :lux:

....

At one stage I was behind about 4500 to 33000 heads up too then...

Game #6136683424: DTDSat£500 Satellite (ID5780389) £60+£6 - Hold'em NL (200/400) - 2007/11/02 - 23:08:57 (UK)
Table "5780389 - 1" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 6: jim5432 (4570 in chips)
Seat 8: ripple14 (32930 in chips)
jim5432: posts the ante 50
ripple14: posts the ante 50
jim5432: posts small blind 200
ripple14: posts big blind 400
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to jim5432 [Qh Ah]
jim5432: raises to 4520 and is all-in
ripple14: calls 4120
----- FLOP ----- [7s Th 7h]
----- TURN ----- [7s Th 7h][9h]
----- RIVER ----- [7s Th 7h 9h][6d]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
jim5432: shows [Qh Ah] (A Flush, Ace high)
ripple14: shows [Jc Jd] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Sevens, Ten high)
jim5432 collected 9140 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 9140 Main pot 9140 Rake 0
Board [7s Th 7h 9h 6d]
Seat 6: jim5432 (small blind) showed [Qh Ah] and won (9140) with A Flush, Ace high
Seat 8: ripple14 (big blind) showed [Jc Jd] and lost with Two Pairs, Jacks and Sevens, Ten high



FINAL HAND...



Game #6136760964: DTDSat£500 Satellite (ID5780389) £60+£6 - Hold'em NL (300/600) - 2007/11/02 - 23:20:30 (UK)
Table "5780389 - 1" Seat 8 is the button.
Seat 6: jim5432 (21140 in chips)
Seat 8: ripple14 (16360 in chips)
ripple14: posts the ante 75
jim5432: posts the ante 75
ripple14: posts small blind 300
jim5432: posts big blind 600
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to jim5432 [Kd 6c]
ripple14: calls 300
jim5432: checks
----- FLOP ----- [5c 6s 2d]
jim5432: checks
ripple14: bets 1200
jim5432: raises to 9600
ripple14: raises to 15685 and is all-in
jim5432: calls 6085
----- TURN ----- [5c 6s 2d][Th]
----- RIVER ----- [5c 6s 2d Th][6h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
ripple14: shows [As 2h] (Two Pairs, Sixes and Twos, Ace high)
jim5432: shows [Kd 6c] (Three of a kind, Sixes, King high)
jim5432 collected 32720 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 32720 Main pot 32720 Rake 0
Board [5c 6s 2d Th 6h]
Seat 6: jim5432 (big blind) showed [Kd 6c] and won (32720) with Three of a kind, Sixes, King high
Seat 8: ripple14 (small blind) showed [As 2h] and lost with Two Pairs, Sixes and Twos, Ace high

PoolKing
02-11-2007, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
I raise 1500 (perhaps too high) he takes an age to think then goes all in. Im pot commited here so call...he has KK hits a K on the flop....and it's all over!

As others have said, I would fold too, wait for a better time to use your chips on your terms. However, I have noticed that you mention that after raising 1500 you are pot commited and if this is the case I think the raise is pointless, if you are going to bet - go all-in as by raising 1500 he will either fold or put you all-in. Going all-in would have had the same effects but you would have put more pressure on him to fold.

Paul Romain
02-11-2007, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Dear sambhygreen,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
You qualified to play in Tournament #65304349 and are automatically registered for it.
See Tournament #65304349 Lobby for further details.

Poker Stars caribbean adventure here I come!

Isn't there the small matter of getting in the top 5% of the final sat first ;) !

Mind you I am envious - I'd rather be going to the Caribbean than bloody Nottingham!!

samtheeagle
02-11-2007, 11:50 PM
Televised final table at Dusk Till Dawn.

Paul Romain
02-11-2007, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Televised final table at Dusk Till Dawn.

That would be interesting! I have the shakes just thinking about it!

saul1664
03-11-2007, 12:45 AM
Again, is this a good fold, what do you think he is holding?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 270652290 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 03, 00:36:30 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 18 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: Conehead ( $95 )
Seat 2: xulia ( $96.80 )
Seat 4: lazykid ( $99.90 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $236.42 )
Seat 6: ruzzigo ( $340 )
ruzzigo posts small blind [$0.50]
Conehead posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 8h, Th ]
xulia folds
lazykid folds
saul1664 calls [$1]
ruzzigo calls [$0.50]
Conehead checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 3h, 6h ]
ruzzigo checks
Conehead checks
saul1664 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
ruzzigo checks
Conehead bets [$3]
saul1664 calls [$3]
ruzzigo calls [$3]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
ruzzigo checks
Conehead bets [$12]
saul1664 raises to [$24]
ruzzigo folds
Conehead goes all-in
Conehead raises to [$91]
saul1664 folds
Returning uncalled bet [$67] to Conehead
** Hand Conclusion **
Conehead wins $57 from main pot
************ Game 270652290 ends ************

oz_da II
03-11-2007, 01:17 AM
Tough to say without knowing the history of the player but I'd guess he's got a full house (K3 probably as he seems to wake up with the king on the turn). A big call to find out, good fold, I think...

saul1664
03-11-2007, 01:22 AM
No history particularly, not loose, pretty solid, not seeming to play that many hands. May have checked a higher flush on the flop also, though professionals always tell you to bet out the flush when you hit on the flop, this doesn't tend to happen online, especially not at this level anyway. Too many chances for me to get beat. Could have also checked trips?

samtheeagle
03-11-2007, 01:29 AM
Feel im always gonna be ahead here so try to let the others catch up and hopefully find someone else on the flush draw. Wasn't expecting to be beat!

PokerStars Game #13003808997: Tournament #65995809, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/11/02 - 21:14:25 (ET)
Table '65995809 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pegan121 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: racerx6969 (1540 in chips)
Seat 3: Idiot Boxer (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: Rezref (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: mackbuddy (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: redcedar7 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: MuckityMuck (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: sambhygreen (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Rvannith (1500 in chips)
Idiot Boxer: posts small blind 10
Rezref: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [As 4s]
mackbuddy: folds
redcedar7: raises 20 to 40
MuckityMuck: folds
sambhygreen: calls 40
Rvannith: calls 40
pegan121: folds
racerx6969: folds
Idiot Boxer: calls 30
Rezref: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4h 4d]
Idiot Boxer: bets 100
Rezref: calls 100
redcedar7: calls 100
sambhygreen: calls 100
Rvannith: folds
*** TURN *** [Ts 4h 4d] [5s]
Idiot Boxer: checks
Rezref: bets 100
redcedar7: folds
sambhygreen: calls 100
Idiot Boxer: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [Ts 4h 4d 5s] [Qs]
Idiot Boxer: checks
Rezref: bets 200
sambhygreen: raises 300 to 500
Idiot Boxer: folds
Rezref: raises 760 to 1260 and is all-in
sambhygreen: calls 760 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rezref: shows [4c Qd] (a full house, Fours full of Queens)
sambhygreen: shows [As 4s] (a flush, Ace high)
Rezref collected 3420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3420 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 4h 4d 5s Qs]
Seat 1: pegan121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: racerx6969 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Idiot Boxer (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: Rezref (big blind) showed [4c Qd] and won (3420) with a full house, Fours full of Queens
Seat 5: mackbuddy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: redcedar7 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: MuckityMuck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: sambhygreen showed [As 4s] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: Rvannith folded on the Flop

se1eagle
03-11-2007, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
May have checked a higher flush on the flop also, though professionals always tell you to bet out the flush when you hit on the flop, this doesn't tend to happen online, especially not at this level anyway. Too many chances for me to get beat.


What do you mean by too many chances for you to get beat? If you flop the flush surely you want to get money into the pot for both value and protection. I think it's very risky checking the flop given you don't have the nut flush and another heart will be a scarecard and also stop you from getting paid off if villain does have a set, two pair or a straight.

On the turn again I think you really have to raise to build the pot and to get some definition on his hand. By the river you've played your hand so deceptively it's very hard to know where you stand. As he checked in the BB he could easily have 24, 47, a higher/lower flush or a FH. Your raise on the river looks like you just made trips. As played I think you have to fold.

oz_da II
03-11-2007, 07:13 AM
Cricket rained off today so it was a cash game $1/$2 NL at the club. Same bloke has rivered a king against me two weeks in a row, two outers both times. Once against aces, once against a set of threes. Got it back and more today though...

80 extra dollars in my pocket, thanks to the weather. :p

SamTheOldGoat
03-11-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Dear sambhygreen,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
You qualified to play in Tournament #65304349 and are automatically registered for it.
See Tournament #65304349 Lobby for further details.

If you choose to unregister from this tournament your account will be credited
with 650.00 W$. W$ can be used to buy into any qualifying special PokerStars event.
Visit our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/tournaments.html for more details.



Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.


Poker Stars caribbean adventure here I come!

Playing this tomorrow too Sam. Ship one of the Sam's to the Bahamas!

SamTheOldGoat
03-11-2007, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Just been to Gala Casino Bristol - £20 freezeout. Went out after the 2nd hand.

Did I do the right thing??

Im on the big blind, action folds to the button who bets 500 (blinds are 25 & 50). Small blind folds and I look down to AQ. Being that he bets a massive 10 times the BB Im guessing he just wants a fold, perhaps he has a small pair or A 10 ??

I raise 1500 (perhaps too high) he takes an age to think then goes all in. Im pot commited here so call...he has KK hits a K on the flop....and it's all over!

Gutted...but did I do the right thing??

Pass from me, if a £20 rebuy they are going in immediately, in FO, I lay down in second hand here!

SamTheOldGoat
03-11-2007, 10:43 AM
On my way to Walsall for 2 day APAT event. Got a Uni reunion tonight so going to play SUPER SUPER aggro and if I'm out no probs, if I'm in I have a huge stack going into tomorrow and I don't mind missing this evening :D

PS. GSaunders. How long did he tank KK for, sounds like a slowroll which makes me mad! :p

oz_da II
03-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Pass from me, if a £20 rebuy they are going in immediately, in FO, I lay down in second hand here!

Yep, strange play. As long as it's not some sort of turbo blind structure this is an easy fold.

But what I don't understand is, if you feel you're pot committed to an all-in re-raise why don't you go all-in in the first place?

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Playing this tomorrow too Sam. Ship one of the Sam's to the Bahamas!

what user name Sam(s)? can't see Nicehitfish or /4/rris on there - you not buying in direct for 650 are you ???

I might see if I can get in later...

samtheeagle
03-11-2007, 04:27 PM
Username on stars is sambhygreen,
I'm not on there because im deciding whether to play the saturday or sunday qualifier. Saturday is going to have about a 1/4 of the runners so im just deciding which one will suit my game better.

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Username on stars is sambhygreen,
I'm not on there because im deciding whether to play the saturday or sunday qualifier. Saturday is going to have about a 1/4 of the runners so im just deciding which one will suit my game better.

just missed out...

came 8th in 156 runner $3 rebuy satellite - only 2 seats going

trebled money though so not complete washout

samtheeagle
03-11-2007, 05:29 PM
Going to have another crack at it? With 3 of us in it at least one of us will have a chance. Playing some terrible poker today. Getting it out of my system for tommorrow I hope. Will be my biggest buy in to date.

gsaunders22
03-11-2007, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
On my way to Walsall for 2 day APAT event. Got a Uni reunion tonight so going to play SUPER SUPER aggro and if I'm out no probs, if I'm in I have a huge stack going into tomorrow and I don't mind missing this evening :D

PS. GSaunders. How long did he tank KK for, sounds like a slowroll which makes me mad! :p

Not kidding, must have been at least 2-3 mins.

After hearing the advice on here im annoyed with myself for pushing my chips in, just such a big raise, surely he would want some action from the SB & BB rather than a mere 75 chips!

Oh well you learn from your mistakes! I wont do it again!

gsaunders22
03-11-2007, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Yep, strange play. As long as it's not some sort of turbo blind structure this is an easy fold.

But what I don't understand is, if you feel you're pot committed to an all-in re-raise why don't you go all-in in the first place?

Yeah see your point - another error! Not that he would have folded anyway to an all in.

Was it not a massive raise on the button? I played in Blackpool a couple of weeks back and was far too tight so told myself not to get bullied off pots etc....Suppose I just thought he was on the steal and I just didn't think he had a hand. I wouldn't of seen it as an easy fold though, if he raised from early to mid position then I would of put him on a strong hand and fold straight away...but he was on the button.

Playing live is so different to online play...all rational thinking goes out the window! Enjoy it much more though!

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Going to have another crack at it? With 3 of us in it at least one of us will have a chance. Playing some terrible poker today. Getting it out of my system for tommorrow I hope. Will be my biggest buy in to date.

I might do - but I am playing the 15k, 17.5k and $60k on Ftilt tonight (missed out on the $300+ 50K) and tomorrow I'll be qualifying for the Million, WarmUp and 750k so I may give it a miss now. I need to find a spot to get my curry too :)

oz_da II
03-11-2007, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Yeah see your point - another error! Not that he would have folded anyway to an all in.

Was it not a massive raise on the button?

It wasn't a small one... ;)

Unless I got some history on this guy I'm folding. It's too early to risk all or most of our chips with what may turn out to be a dominated hand.

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 06:29 PM
Incidentally Sam, not sure if you saw I got into the DTD event last night, but I have been having a bit of an argument with them today.

Firstly, before I bought direct into the final satellite I had registered for an earlier cheaper one. But when the window popped up with the starting "satellite" it was impossible to qualify as there was no seat offered!! It had come up one player short of the cost of one seat. Now I don't know what you think but I always thought sites either guaranteed 1 seat or cancelled the satellite. Quite how DTD have the nerve to run a satellite that you can't qualify from is beyond me!!

So I sent a terse email requesting my buyin back to which I have had no reply despite three follow-ups.

Secondly, despite qualifying for a live event the only mail I had from them was a usual "satellite result" email with no other information. I emailed today asking them what happens next and just got a one-liner referring me to the website (which doesnt really say anything other than marketing blurb about the event and the satellites)

Compare this with the Virgin Festival of Poker. They immediately sent a congratulatory email and promised further details and yesterday I got a personal 5 page email with details of registration, structure, timings, rules etc, plus info on location, directions, transport, accommodation and other useful stuff.

As pleased as I am to get in to the Dusk til Dawn one I can't help thinking that, especially as it is effectively a marketing exercise to launch the venture (and the most exclusive tournament in Europe according to them), they're not helping themselves much!

gsaunders22
03-11-2007, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
It wasn't a small one... ;)

Unless I got some history on this guy I'm folding. It's too early to risk all or most of our chips with what may turn out to be a dominated hand.

Which it was!...and the King on flop extinguished all hope!

First freeze out I have played in, usually play re-buys @ Walsall so must adjust my game next time. Still learning all the time and learning from your mistakes is the best (if not expensive) way to do it ;)

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 06:39 PM
Loved this hand :D ....

Full Tilt Poker Game #4055520175: $17,500 Guarantee (30642654), Table 87 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:32:49 ET - 2007/11/03
Seat 1: FTP stackZ (4,025)
Seat 2: Luvaset (3,165)
Seat 3: roadjeda (2,500)
Seat 4: hocman_05 (2,900)
Seat 5: davf123 (7,245)
Seat 6: WHENTHUGSCRY (6,255)
Seat 7: jim5432 (3,255)
Seat 8: madlimey (2,665)
Seat 9: emill17 (5,595)
madlimey posts the small blind of 30
emill17 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Kc Kh]
FTP stackZ folds
Luvaset has 15 seconds left to act
Luvaset raises to 180
roadjeda folds
hocman_05 folds
davf123 folds
WHENTHUGSCRY folds
jim5432 raises to 420
madlimey folds
emill17 folds
Luvaset has 15 seconds left to act
Luvaset calls 240
*** FLOP *** [8c Ad Ks]
Luvaset checks
jim5432 checks
*** TURN *** [8c Ad Ks] [As]
Luvaset bets 930
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 calls 930
*** RIVER *** [8c Ad Ks As] [5d]
Luvaset bets 1,815, and is all in
jim5432 calls 1,815
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Luvaset shows [Js Ah] three of a kind, Aces
jim5432 shows [Kc Kh] a full house, Kings full of Aces
jim5432 wins the pot (6,420) with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Luvaset stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,420 | Rake 0
Board: [8c Ad Ks As 5d]
Seat 1: FTP stackZ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Luvaset showed [Js Ah] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: roadjeda didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: hocman_05 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: davf123 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: WHENTHUGSCRY didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: jim5432 (button) showed [Kc Kh] and won (6,420) with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Seat 8: madlimey (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: emill17 (big blind) folded before the Flop

Strathclyde Eagle
03-11-2007, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Which it was!...and the King on flop extinguished all hope!
Not all hope, but with AQ you'd need J-10 runner-runner, so it's pretty unlikely.

Overbetting with a big hand can be effective at times, especially from a stealing position. With the amount of chips you had it clearly seemed as if you could have waited for a better position, but I think you've realised that yourself already. :)

gsaunders22
03-11-2007, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Not all hope, but with AQ you'd need J-10 runner-runner, so it's pretty unlikely.

Overbetting with a big hand can be effective at times, especially from a stealing position. With the amount of chips you had it clearly seemed as if you could have waited for a better position, but I think you've realised that yourself already. :)

Yep, clearly the wrong move now. In a way though Im glad I did it...as I said you learn from your mistakes...and I won't be doing it again so early on in a freeze out.

Expect a few more 'was it the right move' questions on this forum!

Helpful though.

gsaunders22
03-11-2007, 07:11 PM
Playing on Blue Sq.com at the moment.

They run a sit n go jackpot where if you win 5 in a row ($5) you win $29k !! Or if you place in top 2 5 x in a row you win $200.

Gutted....5 games in a row went 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 2nd.........8th! lol!

Anyone else on Blue SQ?

saul1664
03-11-2007, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
What do you mean by too many chances for you to get beat? If you flop the flush surely you want to get money into the pot for both value and protection. I think it's very risky checking the flop given you don't have the nut flush and another heart will be a scarecard and also stop you from getting paid off if villain does have a set, two pair or a straight.

On the turn again I think you really have to raise to build the pot and to get some definition on his hand. By the river you've played your hand so deceptively it's very hard to know where you stand. As he checked in the BB he could easily have 24, 47, a higher/lower flush or a FH. Your raise on the river looks like you just made trips. As played I think you have to fold.

Full house from a hand with trips, or even a poor hand like K3 or perhaps a higher flush. There was no money in the pot (about $2 on the flop), so a big reraise on flop (unless I am behind) wins me about $1 in total, if pot was more I would have been able to bet more, plus the player was particularly solid, I doubt he would have raised me all in unless he had a better hand. I admit the hand is pretty poorly played, but I'm not going to put hands I play particularly well as there is no point.

saul1664
03-11-2007, 10:31 PM
Just got JJ in $30 tournament and increased 2K stack to 3K, only to crash out after 10 hands in first level to this...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 271004043 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee, Level:1 Blinds(10/20-(no ante)) - Saturday, November 03, 22:13:48 GMT 2007
$2100 GTD Regular $30+$3 NLH #109231
Table 6 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of active players : 8
Seat 1: JhonnyBGood ( 3,990 )
Seat 2: DavtheRav ( 1,800 )
Seat 3: lazarus59 ( 2,170 )
Seat 4: magdoc1 ( 3,684 )
Seat 6: saul1664 ( 3,006 )
Seat 7: Nocturnal ( 1,920 )
Seat 8: boselcta ( 1,620 )
Seat 9: slmshady998 ( 2,170 )
Tourney Level:1 Blinds(10/20-(no ante))
slmshady998 posts small blind [10]
JhonnyBGood posts big blind [20]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Tc, Jc ]
DavtheRav folds
lazarus59 folds
magdoc1 raises to [40]
saul1664 calls [40]
Nocturnal folds
boselcta folds
slmshady998 calls [30]
JhonnyBGood calls [20]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Ac, 8c ]
slmshady998 checks
JhonnyBGood checks
magdoc1 checks
saul1664 bets [80]
slmshady998 folds
JhonnyBGood folds
magdoc1 raises to [300]
saul1664 calls [220]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
magdoc1 checks
saul1664 bets [180]
magdoc1 raises to [800]
saul1664 goes all-in
saul1664 raises to [2,666]
magdoc1 calls [1,866]
** Showdown **
magdoc1 shows [ As, 3s ]
saul1664 shows [ Tc, Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
** Hand Conclusion **
magdoc1 wins 6,092 from main pot with full house, Threes full of Aces
************ Game 271004043 ends ************

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 10:55 PM
Just made the final table at Full Tilt $17.5k guarantee (964 starters)

Lying 5th

:p

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Just made the final table at Full Tilt $17.5k guarantee (964 starters)

Lying 5th

:p

Correction ... chip leader :lux: :lux:

the previous one just argued with my KK on the flop with 77 :D

se1eagle
03-11-2007, 11:13 PM
Well done!! Keep it up - railing you now (Gluteus)

saul1664
03-11-2007, 11:18 PM
And getting lucky with aces...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 271027500 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 03, 23:08:03 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 17 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: Saints76 ( $97.08 )
Seat 2: KOSMATI ( $38.45 )
Seat 3: Sek58 ( $74.12 )
Seat 4: saul1664 ( $78.25 )
Seat 5: amer ( $131 )
Seat 6: frangipan ( $41.66 )
Sek58 posts small blind [$0.50]
saul1664 posts big blind [$1]
frangipan posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Ac, Ad ]
frangipan checks
Saints76 folds
KOSMATI folds
Sek58 raises to [$2]
saul1664 raises to [$7]
frangipan folds
Sek58 calls [$5]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Qs, 5c ]
Sek58 checks
saul1664 bets [$6]
Sek58 calls [$6]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
Sek58 checks
saul1664 bets [$8]
Sek58 raises to [$16]
saul1664 calls [$8]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
Sek58 checks
saul1664 bets [$24]
Sek58 calls [$24]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Ac, Ad ] a Flush
Sek58 mucks [ Qc, Kd ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $104 from main pot with a Flush
************ Game 271027500 ends ************

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Well done!! Keep it up - railing you now (Gluteus)


all welcome

as long as theres no begging :D

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:21 PM
Im watching now as well.

HiC4rd

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:31 PM
Im still watching,wont let me chat though

saul1664
03-11-2007, 11:34 PM
Although this pot got me death threats, though think its just a standard reraise...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 271031580 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 03, 23:17:40 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 17 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: Saints76 ( $152.47 )
Seat 2: KOSMATI ( $33.72 )
Seat 3: Sek58 ( $15.22 )
Seat 4: saul1664 ( $125.25 )
Seat 5: johnyeds ( $0 )
Seat 6: frangipan ( $39.56 )
KOSMATI posts small blind [$0.50]
Sek58 posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 5d, 5h ]
saul1664 raises to [$2]
frangipan raises to [$4.80]
Saints76 folds
KOSMATI folds
Sek58 calls [$3.80]
saul1664 calls [$2.80]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, Qd, 5s ]
Sek58 checks
saul1664 bets [$7]
frangipan calls [$7]
Sek58 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
saul1664 bets [$16]
frangipan goes all-in
frangipan raises to [$27.76]
saul1664 calls [$11.76]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ 5d, 5h ]
frangipan shows [ Ac, Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
** Hand Conclusion **
saul1664 wins $81.42 from main pot with three of a kind, Fives
************ Game 271031580 ends ************

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:35 PM
had A2 there on button when blind reraised

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:36 PM
tricky to go to war with cos likely dominated

saul1664
03-11-2007, 11:38 PM
Although just lost a bit of a pot with this (3 way), its kind of a bit sick


***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 271036706 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, November 03, 23:30:06 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 17 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: eleven1 ( $40.75 )
Seat 2: KOSMATI ( $26.40 )
Seat 3: Sek58 ( $8.11 )
Seat 4: saul1664 ( $167.61 )
Seat 5: johnyeds ( $35.03 )
Seat 6: PIPOLO ( $67.85 )
Sek58 posts small blind [$0.50]
eleven1 posts small blind [$0.50]
saul1664 posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Kc, Ac ]
johnyeds calls [$1]
PIPOLO raises to [$4.40]
eleven1 folds
KOSMATI folds
Sek58 folds
saul1664 calls [$3.40]
johnyeds calls [$3.40]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 4d, Ks ]
saul1664 checks
johnyeds bets [$6]
PIPOLO calls [$6]
saul1664 raises to [$12]
johnyeds raises to [$18]
PIPOLO calls [$12]
saul1664 calls [$6]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
saul1664 checks
johnyeds goes all-in
johnyeds bets [$12.63]
PIPOLO raises to [$25.26]
saul1664 calls [$25.26]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
saul1664 goes all-in
saul1664 bets [$119.95]
PIPOLO calls [$20.19]
PIPOLO goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [$99.76] to saul1664
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Kc, Ac ] a straight, Five to Ace
johnyeds shows [ Kh, Td ] a pair of Kings
PIPOLO shows [ 5s, 6c ] a straight, Six To Deuce
** Hand Conclusion **
PIPOLO wins $65.64 from side pot #1 with a straight, Six To Deuce
PIPOLO wins $103.09 from main pot with a straight, Six To Deuce
************ Game 271036706 ends ************

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:38 PM
CL leaking at the mo.

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:42 PM
The degree all in moment

:D

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:43 PM
getting harder to steal now - heart in mouth each time!

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:47 PM
field is bunching! don't like that!

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:48 PM
Yeah pretty much even now. Doesnt help with that fella on your right.

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:50 PM
:lux:

pocket 4's

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:51 PM
followed by :sob:

:eek:

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:53 PM
high rank player that one

saul1664
03-11-2007, 11:54 PM
Have to show this hand later. In fairly good shape in STT, get 66 in late position, lots of limpers, decide to flat call.

Flop 6JJ

Two limpers in next round, then an all in, call the all in

He has J3

Turn J for quads

when you cant win you cant win

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:55 PM
shawn is worse though as he fights back a lot

se1eagle
03-11-2007, 11:57 PM
A9 proving very profitable for you tonight! :)

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:57 PM
But not for others ;)

Chester
03-11-2007, 11:58 PM
Well Done Paul

Great way to finish it off at the end

:lux:

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:59 PM
well that was fun :)

se1eagle
03-11-2007, 11:59 PM
Sweeeet! Congrats! :lux:

Paul Romain
03-11-2007, 11:59 PM
Just off for a little jig round the garden :D

Paul Romain
04-11-2007, 12:02 AM
Thanks guys!

$5.3K - not as much as the $31K but sweeter all the same - biggest WIN so far.

True what they so you know - its not the money its getting to the top of the podium that makes it worthwhile