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citizen sane
04-12-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle


A) Agree with gsaunders, depends on stack size. Also depends upon this guy's history and stack size as well. At the end of the day I'd probably fold, you only have one pair.

Ok, say it was for all your chips and the player had played few hands but always aggressively , so far he hadn't showed down a hand.

Strathclyde Eagle
04-12-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
That's why it should go in the muck. I'm only ever calling here if these guys are raising the majority of the flops.
That's why I'd muck it. I'm not good enough to know where I stand if I hit something.

And realistically, how often are you going to get a KJ9 rainbow flop there?

PoolKing
04-12-2007, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Here's another question

AQ and a couple of scenarios.

Q) First hand in a $30 MTT 10 seater N/L FO your dealt AQ UTG - how do you play it ?

Q ) Blinds are 50/100 in the same tournament and your on the button with AQ, a pretty solid player raises 4x the BB from 3rd position and its folded round to you - How do you play it ?

Q) Same hand as above - you flat called and he flop is AK7 rainbow. The raiser checks and you fire a pot sized bet . Your then reraised all-in. What do you do ?

1) Assuming blinds are 10/20, raise to anything between 90 and 120, be prepared to fold to a reraise though.

2) Depends on a lot of factors like your relative chip stacks, how much the BB is as a % of your stack and the other player's tendencies. Generally flat call though to see the flop.

3) Same as above but most likely fold as he is unlikely to be moving all-in with anything worse than AQ.

Strathclyde Eagle
04-12-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Ok, say it was for all your chips and the player had played few hands but always aggressively , so far he hadn't showed down a hand.
I don't know if this just happens to me, but I've noticed that when one player puts in enough to put another player all-in they tend to have a very big hand. It's almost as if they're saying, "Go ahead, call and see if you think I'm bluffing."

After thinking about it more, I'd be even more confident that folding there is the right play.

PoolKing
04-12-2007, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Ok, say it was for all your chips and the player had played few hands but always aggressively , so far he hadn't showed down a hand.

Like Strathclyde says, still fold. It is very unlikely that he would come over the top and move all-in with a low pair on that flop with your bet so you can assume that if you do think he is bluffing that he in fact had a weaker starting hand than you before the flop. In my opinion calling the bet here is a bad move and the least valid option, I would say that reraising all-in preflop is actually a better play than calling all your chips after the flop.

iamanuplander
04-12-2007, 01:56 PM
Cash Games are just full of dead money. And i think that possibly the higher the blinds for the cash games the looser the play, but that's only from my experience.

I play very tight in these cash games apart from the odd exception when i'm blind stealing and/or just bluffing on the dealer button. (I admit i was loose with my own Q10 call in the hand i had up earlier). In the long run you shud be able to beat these games and so far im doing ok for myself.

But i have been hitting some crazy cards! i came 5th in the sunday 40K the other day and i literally should have been nowhere near that final table. Here are some of my shockingly lucky scenarios....

109 os in hand and flop comes 9 high go all in and called by KK but snag a 10 on the river

Sumone pushes all in with the blinds high and i call for a fifth of my stack with J9, the other guy has QQ. I hit a J on the flop and a nine on the turn and win the hand.

late on in the tourney i have A5 of hearts on the BB. Everyone folds to the dealer button and he pushes all in. I call and he turns over A10. I hit a 5 on the flop and make the flush on the turn.

NOW HERE'S THE BIGGIE - on the final table there are 8 left. The blinds are high and its normally the guy tht pushes all in tht takes the blinds uncontested. There was also the chip leader bullying the table with 3X BB raises every hand. I wake up with 1010 and the bully makes his typical raise. I re raise all in and everyone folds back to him and he calls with KK.

Flop - 2 4 5
Turn - A
River - 3

i would have been out if it wasn't for this. And if it werent for this happening it would have cost me nearly £2000.

So i suppose i will have to ride this luck until it runs out, i'm not sure if i am at all skillful at this or just use the luck of the irish!

saul1664
04-12-2007, 02:00 PM
Tournament play and some real life examples. Unfortunately no HH, betfairs HH has crashed again.

1) Pocket Aces early in late position. Ideal position but a good example as to why I like all my money in on early blind levels. About 4 minimum raises, blind levels 15/30, push all in, one caller QK and a double up.

2) Have QA in early position. Raise to 200, blind levels 25/50. All fold apart from one medium stack, who pushes all in. I call and his 33 holds up. A good example to fold AQ to a reraise.

3) KK in late position, blinds now 50/100, two callers plus SB, so raise to 600, but everybody calls, flop comes down 5c Ks 6h, checked round to me, so push all in, one caller turns over Ad 6h, timely double up I think until h turn h river knock me out. Wondering if he would have called an all in which I think I should have done in late position, he must know he is behind, only thing that makes him call is a big pot size, although my all in was for a further 1.2K so it wasn't cheap to call.

iamanuplander
04-12-2007, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
3) KK in late position, blinds now 50/100, two callers plus SB, so raise to 600, but everybody calls, flop comes down 5c Ks 6h, checked round to me, so push all in, one caller turns over Ad 6h, timely double up I think until h turn h river knock me out. Wondering if he would have called an all in which I think I should have done in late position, he must know he is behind, only thing that makes him call is a big pot size, although my all in was for a further 1.2K so it wasn't cheap to call.

I wouldn't push all in here u have the best possible hand i would think about min raising or thereabouts to keep people in with a decent hand but get some of the others who cud catch something crazy on you out of it. By going all in you can easily scare them away and you normally don't get people calling an all in with A6 and mid pair.

Explain to me again how you lost this hand because to me its unclear. He had 6 of hearts wen it was alredy on the board? and two more hearts wouldn't have made him a flush?

Paul Romain
04-12-2007, 02:22 PM
Have done a little bit of research and found out that I got knocked out by the eventual winner Steve Read (alias cardshark) so feel a bit better now!!

Interestingly I've also discovered that the guy who was giving me grief on my AA hand above is Matt Tyler (alias B4Matt) :

http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=274

The profile suggests he is a nicer guy than came across to me!!

The winner did a report on the event:

http://www.blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/14100

interesting that he describes Tyler as "mega-aggressive" and "a nightmare to play against when he has chips" !!

Strathclyde Eagle
04-12-2007, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
3) KK in late position, blinds now 50/100, two callers plus SB, so raise to 600, but everybody calls, flop comes down 5c Ks 6h, checked round to me, so push all in, one caller turns over Ad 6h, timely double up I think until h turn h river knock me out. Wondering if he would have called an all in which I think I should have done in late position, he must know he is behind, only thing that makes him call is a big pot size, although my all in was for a further 1.2K so it wasn't cheap to call.
Okay, even without allowing for a big blind 4 x 600 = 2400.
Add in your 1200 = 3600.

Hmm, only 3/1. Okay, I'll let that one slide.
Originally posted by iamanuplander
Explain to me again how you lost this hand because to me its unclear. He had 6 of hearts wen it was alredy on the board? and two more hearts wouldn't have made him a flush?
To quote Mark & Lard, it's a mystery.

citizen sane
04-12-2007, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I don't know if this just happens to me, but I've noticed that when one player puts in enough to put another player all-in they tend to have a very big hand. It's almost as if they're saying, "Go ahead, call and see if you think I'm bluffing."

After thinking about it more, I'd be even more confident that folding there is the right play.

This was an actual hand from a tournament I played in.

I pretty much used up the 60 seconds wondering about why he had made that move.The thing that bothered was why if he had such a monster hand would he make that move and not just call to try and milk more chips of me ?

I mucked in the end and he didn't show..So who knows what he had.

He bust out about 20 mins later when he tried the same move with something like 10 9 4 on the flop. This time he got called and his JJ was beaten by KK.

saul1664
04-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
I wouldn't push all in here u have the best possible hand i would think about min raising or thereabouts to keep people in with a decent hand but get some of the others who cud catch something crazy on you out of it. By going all in you can easily scare them away and you normally don't get people calling an all in with A6 and mid pair.

Explain to me again how you lost this hand because to me its unclear. He had 6 of hearts wen it was alredy on the board? and two more hearts wouldn't have made him a flush?

I can't write properly, he paired the 6 but had two hearts, that's the second time ive done that, anyway he hit runner runner hearts for the flush.

Strathclyde Eagle
04-12-2007, 08:48 PM
As a serious thought Saul you post about these beats, but you're not moving down any levels at all by the sounds of things, so I take it you're still making plenty against these idiots?

saul1664
04-12-2007, 08:51 PM
Got to about 1K£, but seem to be static. I'm just positing for comments etc. rather than worry about beats.

Strathclyde Eagle
04-12-2007, 08:52 PM
Paul, we can see you lurking! Didn't fancy QPR?

Paul Romain
04-12-2007, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Paul, we can see you lurking! Didn't fancy QPR?

got a touch of the man-flu - due for surgery on Friday so didn't think a cold and damp trip to west London was a good idea.

Listening to 94.9 in bed whilst losing in two tourneys

GeeTee
04-12-2007, 10:18 PM
Just finished 24th of 669 in the nightly 2500euro freeroll on T6 poker.

26.25 euros - a drop in the ocean to some of you boys but that meant a fair bit to me. Still a lot to learn but my game has come on quite a bit in the past 6 months.

saul1664
04-12-2007, 10:48 PM
Out of PLO tourney first hand. Never seem to win with AA, know it's a different discipline, have I played this too loose or just got unlucky...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 283207333 *****
PL Omaha $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee, Level:1 Blinds(10/20-(no ante)) - Tuesday, December 04, 22:15:08 GMT 2007
$500 GTD PLO #114786
Table 1 9-max (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of active players : 9
Seat 1: stotty ( 2,500 )
Seat 2: fezz ( 2,500 )
Seat 3: saul1664 ( 2,500 )
Seat 4: Donk Killer ( 2,500 )
Seat 5: Sportyguy ( 2,500 )
Seat 6: matadon ( 2,500 )
Seat 7: sharkshaun ( 2,500 )
Seat 8: Hagener ( 2,500 )
Seat 9: lowenbrau ( 2,500 )
Tourney Level:1 Blinds(10/20-(no ante))
lowenbrau posts small blind [10]
stotty posts big blind [20]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ 9h, Ac, As, 6c ]
fezz folds
saul1664 raises to [70]
Donk Killer folds
Sportyguy calls [70]
matadon folds
sharkshaun calls [70]
Hagener calls [70]
lowenbrau folds
stotty raises to [320]
saul1664 raises to [1,180]
Sportyguy folds
sharkshaun folds
Hagener folds
stotty goes all-in
stotty raises to [2,500]
saul1664 calls [1,320]
saul1664 goes all-in
** Showdown **
stotty shows [ Kd, Td, Kh, Ad ]
saul1664 shows [ 9h, Ac, As, 6c ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Jc, 2c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
** Hand Conclusion **
stotty wins 5,220 from main pot with four of a kind, Kings
************ Game 283207333 ends ************

Paul Romain
04-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
got a touch of the man-flu - due for surgery on Friday so didn't think a cold and damp trip to west London was a good idea.

Listening to 94.9 in bed whilst losing in two tourneys

Well, one tourney went awry but just passed bubble in the 50k on Stars in pretty good shape (55/179)

saul1664
04-12-2007, 10:53 PM
And AA vs JJ, on NL. I don't think I have done anything wrong again with the reraise, and the all in, or am I better off just flat calling his reraise. I put him on a pocket pair, he hadn't called a single hand whilst I'd been on the table, though why he calls to an all in reraise with JJ I don't know. Anyway ...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 283222199 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 04, 22:41:53 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 09 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: BackToMe ( $255.50 )
Seat 2: Player2007 ( $125.60 )
Seat 3: saul1664 ( $97.80 )
Seat 4: grudev ( $103.75 )
Seat 5: opmut ( $177.05 )
Seat 6: SouljaBoy ( $179.50 )
grudev posts small blind [$0.50]
opmut posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Ad, Ac ]
SouljaBoy folds
Player2007 raises to [$3.50]
saul1664 raises to [$12]
grudev folds
opmut folds
Player2007 raises to [$27]
saul1664 goes all-in
saul1664 raises to [$97.80]
Player2007 calls [$70.80]
** Showdown **
Player2007 shows [ Jd, Jh ]
saul1664 shows [ Ad, Ac ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Td, 7h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
** Hand Conclusion **
Player2007 wins $194.10 from main pot with a straight, Jack to Seven
************ Game 283222199 ends ************

oz_da II
04-12-2007, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
And AA vs JJ, on NL. I don't think I have done anything wrong again with the reraise, and the all in, or am I better off just flat calling his reraise. I put him on a pocket pair, he hadn't called a single hand whilst I'd been on the table, though why he calls to an all in reraise with JJ I don't know. Anyway ...


Nothing wrong with getting all your chips in and getting a call pre-flop holding aces.

KevTheOptimist
04-12-2007, 11:25 PM
ANyone seen the latest HSP? Without spoiling, can I just say I;m very dissappointed with the hand with Gee and Benyamin - kinda makes you wonder how minted these guys really are (Gee excluded)....

oz_da II
04-12-2007, 11:48 PM
I've heard Benyamine is BUSTO... :D

Gee = Guy L?
If so, HSP is like us playing for pennies.

iamanuplander
05-12-2007, 09:50 AM
I know this is random, but what sites do you guys use. I only play on will hill at the moment and know Pokerstars and Full Tilt very well.

But can anyone recommend any other ones? Perhaps obscure ones that not many people know of that are great.

citizen sane
05-12-2007, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by GeeTee
Just finished 24th of 669 in the nightly 2500euro freeroll on T6 poker.

26.25 euros - a drop in the ocean to some of you boys but that meant a fair bit to me. Still a lot to learn but my game has come on quite a bit in the past 6 months.

Always good to finish in the money no matter what level you play at.

Nice one :p

citizen sane
05-12-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
And AA vs JJ, on NL. I don't think I have done anything wrong again with the reraise, and the all in, or am I better off just flat calling his reraise. I put him on a pocket pair, he hadn't called a single hand whilst I'd been on the table, though why he calls to an all in reraise with JJ I don't know. Anyway ...



Even if you had flat called I don't think either of you were mucking their hands post flop , no matter what the betting was. So the all-in was always going to happen I think.

I'll always put my money in with aces heads up preflop if I have too. With no exceptions.

citizen sane
05-12-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
I know this is random, but what sites do you guys use. I only play on will hill at the moment and know Pokerstars and Full Tilt very well.

But can anyone recommend any other ones? Perhaps obscure ones that not many people know of that are great.

Stars and Tilt are the ones I play on mostly nowadays.

Although I have accounts with numerous sites.

I played Will hill for a while and didn't do that badly although it seemed to be an all-in frenzy in a lot of the MTT's I played in.

I always have a soft spot for ladbrokes though but that was probably because my biggest cashout came from that site.

citizen sane
05-12-2007, 10:33 AM
Are we still playing tonight ? I'll be on around 8pm if so .

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Out of PLO tourney first hand. Never seem to win with AA, know it's a different discipline, have I played this too loose or just got unlucky...


In NL Hold 'em you would have been an 80-20 favourite against his Kings but in Omaha with your hands you were 70-30, given that he is very aggressive with his hand and forces you to make a decision you have to risk all your chips and as 70-30 you are simply unlucky.

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
I'll always put my money in with aces heads up preflop if I have too. With no exceptions.

Hear, hear, the guy with Jacks is stupidly aggressive though, he must know that Saul isn't a reckless player and has to have AA or KK. Even QQ beats him!!!

citizen sane
05-12-2007, 10:51 AM
Here's a hand from sundays tourney with AQ

It was a loose table full of calling stations but weak play post -flop.

I intended to flat call the raise and see what the flop brought Then Joey reraised and I don't know why but I was sure he was making a move to take the pot down or take control of it Hence the all-in from me.

As it happens he did fold and it turned out alright But would anyone else have played it this way ? Or was it a stupid play by me that got lucky ?


Full Tilt Poker Game #4368425430: $5 Tournament (33048533), Table 20 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:12:57 ET - 2007/12/02
Seat 1: ace5459 (1,470)
Seat 2: spizz80 (1,415)
Seat 3: joey0124 (1,195)
Seat 4: ADDILAC299 (1,875)
Seat 5: cryry (1,545)
Seat 6: RedDogAA (1,500)
spizz80 posts the small blind of 20
joey0124 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to spizz80 [As Qh]
ADDILAC299 calls 40
cryry raises to 80
RedDogAA calls 80
ace5459 folds
spizz80 calls 60
joey0124 raises to 240
ADDILAC299 calls 200
cryry calls 160
RedDogAA calls 160
spizz80 raises to 1,415, and is all in
joey0124 folds
ADDILAC299 folds
ADDILAC299: wtf/?
cryry calls 1,175
RedDogAA folds
spizz80 shows [As Qh]
cryry shows [Qc Kc]
*** FLOP *** [4c Js 9d]
*** TURN *** [4c Js 9d] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [4c Js 9d 2d] [6h]
spizz80 shows Ace Queen high
cryry shows King Queen high
ADDILAC299: reraise from SB...just to fold?
spizz80 wins the pot (3,550) with Ace Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,550 | Rake 0
Board: [4c Js 9d 2d 6h]
Seat 1: ace5459 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: spizz80 (small blind) showed [As Qh] and won (3,550) with Ace Queen high
Seat 3: joey0124 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: ADDILAC299 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: cryry showed [Qc Kc] and lost with King Queen high
Seat 6: RedDogAA folded before the Flop

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
[B]As it happens he did fold and it turned out alright But would anyone else have played it this way ? Or was it a stupid play by me that got lucky ?

I think your play is perfectly valid as I personally feel that if you believe somebody is genuinely making a move then it is much better to move all-in and force them to fold rather than flat calling and giving them a chance to hit their weak hand on the flop.

The J high flop would have been hard to play with your AQ. If you had flat called then there would have been 3 or 4 players in the hand and you would have had to lay down.

Paul Romain
05-12-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Here's a hand from sundays tourney with AQ

It was a loose table full of calling stations but weak play post -flop.

I intended to flat call the raise and see what the flop brought Then Joey reraised and I don't know why but I was sure he was making a move to take the pot down or take control of it Hence the all-in from me.

As it happens he did fold and it turned out alright But would anyone else have played it this way ? Or was it a stupid play by me that got lucky ?


I'd have got rid of it myself - can lose a lot, win a little with hand like that and this early in a tournament its not worth it. Especially as it already a heavily reraised hand. At the very least you're likely to be facing AK

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 01:02 PM
I am offically a graduate. Boom :D

Right, everyone still up for a game tonight?! What buy in? I'll play anything..... I want anyone to be involved so shall we call it $10?

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I am offically a graduate. Boom :D

Right, everyone still up for a game tonight?! What buy in? I'll play anything..... I want anyone to be involved so shall we call it $10?

Where is this game? If on Stars count me in:p

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 01:12 PM
Rightyho. Got a 10 dollar comp starting at 8.30pm tonight on POKERSTARS guys.

Go to TOURNY then PRIVATE and the time will be US 3.30pm.

$10 buy in, 15 minute clocks, 1500 starting stack, called:

CPFC $10 tourny. Password is eagles.

I will set another up for 9.30pm with the SAME password so we can have another if anyone fancies it......

ANYONE can play, min deposit on Stars is $10 so only £5!

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Where is this game? If on Stars count me in:p

Indeed chap, Got 2 registered now. Sign up to both of them ;)

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 01:20 PM
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PoolKing
05-12-2007, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Indeed chap, Got 2 registered now. Sign up to both of them ;)

Registered:p

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 02:49 PM
Happy days! Hopefully get a full table!

iamanuplander
05-12-2007, 04:29 PM
Got no debit card at the moment so trying to get my dad's to deposit for the tourney with u lot.

Interesting to see if any of u are any good cos i know im not. So with my name down a little later on, how many do you expect to participate?

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 04:35 PM
Not sure tbh, maybe 7/8?

Only a couple signed up at the moment. I like to think that I'm pretty good, I did it for a living for a fair old while :D

samtheeagle
05-12-2007, 05:04 PM
Not gonna be able to make tonight im afraid. Got a big essay in for tomorrow. Good luck all and I expect to see lots of post game analysis.

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 05:06 PM
Come on Sam, you can write essays and play poker, I did it through Uni :D

Chip Reese died yesterday :(

iamanuplander
05-12-2007, 05:06 PM
Glad to hear from someone that has played it proffessionally. You must have loved it. Wake up when you want, play for however long you want and your doing something you love.

Definately a living to be made in this game. At the moment i play semi professionally earning a shocking amount for a student.

All i will say on what i earn is its a lot better than what u get for stacking shelves at Morrisons!

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 05:16 PM
There are a few pros on here, Alex, Paul, my brother. Yer, it's nice being able to do what you want when you want, that's for sure! Hope to see you in the comps tonight :)

iamanuplander
05-12-2007, 05:34 PM
Registered :)

iamanuplander
05-12-2007, 06:15 PM
Sad news to hear of Chip Reese Dying he was a ledge and probably the best cash game player in the world

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 06:45 PM
Yer, sad loss indeed. Register for the OTHER comp as well an hour later chap :)

Paul Romain
05-12-2007, 07:15 PM
i'll be in shortly

eaglesrus
05-12-2007, 07:30 PM
will play as well.
where is the table?

se1eagle
05-12-2007, 07:31 PM
I'm in as well. STOG posted the details a few posts back - Poker Stars, Tourney tab, Private tab, CPFC $10 TOURNY

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 07:34 PM
Rightyho. Got a 10 dollar comp starting at 8.30pm tonight on POKERSTARS guys.

Go to TOURNY then PRIVATE and the time will be US 3.30pm.

$10 buy in, 15 minute clocks, 1500 starting stack, called:

CPFC $10 tourny. Password is eagles.

I will set another up for 9.30pm with the SAME password so we can have another if anyone fancies it......

ANYONE can play, min deposit on Stars is $10 so only £5!

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 07:35 PM
What did Chip Reese die from?

se1eagle
05-12-2007, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
What did Chip Reese die from?

Pneumonia apparently.

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 07:41 PM
I just wondered if he died from a long running illness as whenever I saw him on tv I thought he looked ill.

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 07:47 PM
I think it was this WSOP where he looked pretty ill as well. Sad times :(

EVERYONE GET REGISTERING! Someone has unregistered!

eaglesrus
05-12-2007, 07:53 PM
OK, im in. Should be fun.

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 07:58 PM
Good stuff, what about the one an hour later anyone?

se1eagle
05-12-2007, 08:15 PM
Don't think I can make the later one but will try

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 08:16 PM
15 mins. Paul? Saul etc

Paul Romain
05-12-2007, 08:23 PM
ok i'm in

Paul Romain
05-12-2007, 08:26 PM
I may have to change my tactics - some of you lot have spent too long railing me!

PoolKing
05-12-2007, 08:27 PM
SAUL, PLEASE ENTER. I want to bad beat you!

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 08:46 PM
LOL! Roll on the next one!

saul1664
05-12-2007, 08:46 PM
Well it happened twice again. First time I had QQ and reraised a 3.5xBB call to $8, low flop, so bet out over 3/4 of the pot, he again came over the top, so again I pushed him all in. Again he shows JJ. Turn gives him an open ended straight draw but misses.

Then a usually solid player, calls an all in reraise preflop with 10 10 and runs into aces but of course a 10 on the flop gives him trips. A big argument ensues, he says he is playing 7 tables at once and will push in with any two cards to a 4th raise (whatever that means). He's the kind of player that will raise and continue to bet extremely heavily with a range from 55 upwards and difficult to play against.

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 08:48 PM
Saul, why aren't you playing?

Strathclyde Eagle
05-12-2007, 08:50 PM
I'm in for part two.

Off to see if I can rail part one. :p

saul1664
05-12-2007, 08:52 PM
only just got in from work prepare for one hell of a beating at 9.30

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 08:54 PM
Good stuff, roll on part 2. :D

saul1664
05-12-2007, 09:28 PM
Yeah. You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk.

iamanuplander
05-12-2007, 10:16 PM
i was donking it up on that table dunno what was wrong with me

saul1664
05-12-2007, 10:51 PM
All over. Well done to Strathclyde eagle who overcame a 2:1 HU deficit to win against me after flopping a made straight against my two pair, and then getting another straight when my reraise all in with JJ met 9 10 which made straight on turn. And apologies to poolio with my donkathan JJ vs KK bet.

Chester
05-12-2007, 10:57 PM
Well I am back from Vegas and the Bellagio was a who's who of poker players.

I chatted with a few of them and will list who I met and saw. So much money flying around it is insane

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Jeeeeeez, a friend is sitting with 36k at 25/50 on Stars!

Chester
05-12-2007, 11:27 PM
Right in no particular order.

Phil Ivey

Patrick Antonius

Barry Greenstein (really nice guy who is more than happy to have a chat)

Hevad Khan (Enormous beast of a man who I talked to for about half an hour whilst railing one of the final tables. A legend who was very talkative. Although no "bulldozer")

Kenny Tran ( Had the biggest entourage)

Kathy Liebert

The Waco Kidd (Gave me a glass of red wine which was nice of him, also a sick sick player who seemed to be deep every day)

Apestyles (Fat, beware kids the internet can add 40 pounds!)

A few other online pro's but I will have to look their profiles up

SamTheOldGoat
05-12-2007, 11:33 PM
Good times Chester. Waco deep in 2k at Bellagio now!

Chester
05-12-2007, 11:46 PM
The Bellagio is an amazing venue for watching live poker. I was literally a foot behind these players watching them play.

They all seem pretty amiable as well and happy to have a chat. It was great to stand around for a few hours each day watching them play.

Strathclyde Eagle
05-12-2007, 11:54 PM
I'll happily admit to being very, very lucky tonight.

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 12:07 AM
and did you play Chester?

se1eagle
06-12-2007, 12:10 AM
God I love Party! In the space of 10 minutes...

***** Hand History for Game 6564529003 *****
$50 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 05, 18:27:11 ET 2007
Table Table 126695 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: jerbouille ( $84.17 USD )
Seat 3: Thombo888 ( $64.76 USD )
Seat 5: jemal333 ( $53.69 USD )
Seat 6: Leo_Ger07 ( $81.07 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $51.44 USD )
Seat 1: stonebear_7 ( $50.20 USD )
jerbouille posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Thombo888 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9d ]
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
jemal333 folds.
stonebear_7 calls [$1.50 USD]
jerbouille folds.
Thombo888 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Qc, 9c ]
Hero bets [$2.50 USD]
stonebear_7 calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
Hero bets [$6.50 USD]
Leo_Ger07: no connect, sry
stonebear_7 calls [$6.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
Hero bets [$17.50 USD]
stonebear_7 calls [$17.50 USD]
Hero shows [ 9s, 9d ]four of a kind, Nines.
stonebear_7 doesn't show [ Jh, Jc ]two pairs, Jacks and Nines.
Hero wins $54.75 USD from the main pot with four of a kind, Nines.

***** Hand History for Game 6564556257 *****
$50 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 05, 18:34:41 ET 2007
Table Table 126695 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: jerbouille ( $94.97 USD )
Seat 3: Thombo888 ( $75.33 USD )
Seat 5: jemal333 ( $37.94 USD )
Seat 6: Leo_Ger07 ( $82.44 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $66.69 USD )
Seat 1: stonebear_7 ( $22.29 USD )
Hero posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
jemal333 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4h Ah ]
Leo_Ger07 folds.
stonebear_7 calls [$0.50 USD]
jerbouille calls [$0.50 USD]
Thombo888 folds.
Hero calls [$0.25 USD]
jemal333 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, As, 6d ]
Hero bets [$1.50 USD]
jemal333 folds.
stonebear_7 calls [$1.50 USD]
jerbouille folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Hero bets [$3 USD]
stonebear_7 calls [$3 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
Hero bets [$8.50 USD]
stonebear_7 is all-In.
Hero calls [$8.79 USD]
Hero shows [ 4h, Ah ]a full house, Fours full of Aces.
stonebear_7 doesn't show [ Kh, Kc ]two pairs, Kings and Fours.
Hero wins $43.31 USD from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of Aces.

***** Hand History for Game 6564570117 *****
$50 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 05, 18:38:33 ET 2007
Table Table 126695 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Thombo888 ( $45.33 USD )
Seat 5: jemal333 ( $37.19 USD )
Seat 6: Leo_Ger07 ( $71.84 USD )
Seat 4: Hero ( $95.39 USD )
Seat 1: dsander2007 ( $12.95 USD )
Hero posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
jemal333 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac Jc ]
Leo_Ger07 folds.
dsander2007 raises [$1.75 USD]
Thombo888 folds.
Hero raises [$4.25 USD]
jemal333 folds.
dsander2007 calls [$2.75 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 8c, 3c ]
Hero checks.
dsander2007 is all-In.
Hero calls [$8.45 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Hero shows [ Ac, Jc ]a flush, Ace high.
dsander2007 shows [ Qc, Jh ]a flush, King high.
Hero wins $25.08 USD from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.
#Game No : 6564572070

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 12:16 AM
agree, VERY profitable at the moment for me too!

Chester
06-12-2007, 12:32 AM
I played a couple of times although couldnt bring myself to try and satellite in to one of the big bellagio ones for $300 which i now wish I had.

Everynight the prize pool was up to or over 300k

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 12:33 AM
1/2 or 2/5?

oz_da II
06-12-2007, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
God I love Party! In the space of 10 minutes...


http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162518

Chester
06-12-2007, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
1/2 or 2/5?

Stuck to the 1/2 as i had a gf who didnt realise that you could actually win at blackjack!

oz_da II
06-12-2007, 12:59 AM
I'm confused.

Chester
06-12-2007, 01:04 AM
Why?

Chester
06-12-2007, 01:09 AM
STOG, can you fill me in with what has been happening with Imperium and Andy Mcleod.

I saw the Imperium multi account break just as I was leaving for Vegas but cnt be arsed trawling through the P5's forum

Ta

oz_da II
06-12-2007, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Why?

Your reason for sticking to 1/2 doesn't make much sense.

I've been staring at oil flowlines for 5 hours straight. :( Maybe my brain is functioning correctly.

Chester
06-12-2007, 01:38 AM
well i didnt want to blow all our money playing higher stakes when she wanted to play blackjack and do other things.

i just wanted to say that I played poker in Vegas.

Chester
06-12-2007, 01:40 AM
What a fecking retarded hand. And this should go in beats, brags and variance but.

AA Vs AA all in. You think your money is safe for a split pot until runner runner for the other AA's flush draw. I could cry

:sob:

oz_da II
06-12-2007, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Chester
well i didnt want to blow all our money playing higher stakes when she wanted to play blackjack and do other things.

i just wanted to say that I played poker in Vegas.

That makes more sense. ;)

Chester
06-12-2007, 02:05 AM
Cool, am seriously kicking myself now for not attempting one of the satellites especially when I got back and realised i had been paid my xmas bonus.

The thought of being sat at a table with one of the pro's and not taking it was a school boy mistake.

On the plus side i did buy a porno poker set which the gf is not talking to me about as it cost more than the prada sunglasses she wanted that I said were too expensive

:D

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Chester
STOG, can you fill me in with what has been happening with Imperium and Andy Mcleod.

I saw the Imperium multi account break just as I was leaving for Vegas but cnt be arsed trawling through the P5's forum

Ta

Andy got 'outed' by Sorel as being only 16. Andys actually 17 now but was banned by P5's as it's against their rules. Pretty amazing considering how he plays as a 17 yo!

Imperium has admitted buying Chris Vaughn from Bluffs account in the final stages of the FT mill (?) which is obviously illegal and CV had to log off, Sorel logged on, this was recorded and Sorel had winnings taken and was banned from FTP! On POKERNEWS.COM there is part 1 of hte interview of them both as released yesterday and I assume that part 2 will be out today. HTH :)

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 09:20 AM
Link here chap:

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/12/online-poker-sorel-mizzi-chris-vaughn-speak-part-2.htm

citizen sane
06-12-2007, 10:12 AM
Sorry chaps, for not making last night.


Is this likely to be a regular thing ?

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Very much so, had a good time last night..... As long as I have 1hr in advance I can set up whenever!

Paul Romain
06-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Good fun, enjoyed practising my new super-aggressive strategy with mixed success. I will be altering my favourite hand on pocketfives profile from AA to 72offsuit

Paul Romain
06-12-2007, 02:12 PM
Will be offline now for a week or so whilst in hospital having dodgy hip replaced with sparkly new bionic-man version...see you all soon

oz_da II
06-12-2007, 02:23 PM
Best of luck, PR. :p

SamTheOldGoat
06-12-2007, 04:37 PM
Yup, all the best chap! Hope it goes well :)

Finbar
06-12-2007, 04:44 PM
Good luck Paul!

se1eagle
06-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Best of luck Paul, hope it goes smoothly.

Strathclyde Eagle
06-12-2007, 06:34 PM
All the best with the op Paul.

Paul Romain
06-12-2007, 08:32 PM
Thanks for the best wishes all - I expect to see lots of tales of massive cashes in my absence. Ok thats me signing off for the time being.

saul1664
06-12-2007, 09:02 PM
Good luck. Take your laptop in so you can play some poker while you're recovering.

saul1664
06-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Did I do right to call the all in here. Player was a complete calling station, and hadn't pre flop raised, or reraised or even tried to steal on the river. The bet didn't make sense on the flop which is why I called. Or is there some theory going round that straight and flush draws are the nuts.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 284039032 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 06, 22:15:53 GMT 2007
Table Neon 11 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: iacob ( $61.55 )
Seat 2: Stifler ( $24.50 )
Seat 3: Banodis ( $47 )
Seat 4: saul1664 ( $66.95 )
Seat 5: joe1boo ( $145.17 )
Seat 6: timbo 999 ( $13.95 )
timbo 999 posts small blind [$0.25]
iacob posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Kh, Kd ]
Stifler folds
Banodis folds
saul1664 raises to [$2]
joe1boo calls [$2]
timbo 999 folds
iacob folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 9h, 3s ]
saul1664 bets [$4]
joe1boo goes all-in
joe1boo raises to [$143.17]
saul1664 calls [$60.95]
saul1664 goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [$78.22] to joe1boo
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ Kh, Kd ]
joe1boo shows [ Td, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
** Hand Conclusion **
joe1boo wins $131.65 from main pot with a straight, Queen to Eight
************ Game 284039032 ends ************

oz_da II
06-12-2007, 10:57 PM
I'm only folding that to the rock of all rocks.

Gav The Hamster
06-12-2007, 11:02 PM
He is obviously trying to take the pot down there and then and doesnt want a call, but if you do happen to call he does have a few outs.

You just got unlucky. I cant see him calling if it happened to be you going all in first.

David Amsalem
06-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Agreed.

Chester
06-12-2007, 11:25 PM
Good luck Paul, talk about limping in

Gav The Hamster
07-12-2007, 12:05 AM
one to make you feel a little better saul. glad i'm not on higher blinds

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 284091953 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 07, 00:01:17 GMT 2007
Table Neon 08 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Hybridizer ( $24.90 )
Seat 2: gwilly ( $53.90 )
Seat 3: oldman100 ( $17.85 )
Seat 4: amseul ( $53.45 )
Seat 5: BigThomba ( $24.65 )
Seat 6: mccormack ( $67.55 )
BigThomba posts small blind [$0.25]
mccormack posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to oldman100 [ Ac, As ]
Hybridizer folds
gwilly folds
oldman100 raises to [$1.75]
amseul folds
BigThomba raises to [$5.75]
mccormack folds
oldman100 goes all-in
oldman100 raises to [$17.85]
BigThomba calls [$12.10]
** Showdown **
oldman100 shows [ Ac, As ]
BigThomba shows [ Ad, Jd ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 6d, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
** Hand Conclusion **
BigThomba wins $34.40 from main pot with a Flush

Gav The Hamster
07-12-2007, 12:11 AM
and then this, I havent played Poker for a while and I wont be playing it for a while longer now lol

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 284095549 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 07, 00:09:22 GMT 2007
Table Neon 06 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: oldman100 ( $29.65 )
Seat 2: skutis77 ( $169.66 )
Seat 3: MadMofo ( $84.08 )
Seat 4: fisherdan ( $24.08 )
Seat 5: Mosmo ( $48.50 )
Seat 6: Marijn ( $52.80 )
oldman100 posts small blind [$0.25]
skutis77 posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to oldman100 [ Qc, Kh ]
MadMofo folds
fisherdan folds
Mosmo folds
Marijn folds
oldman100 calls [$0.25]
skutis77 raises to [$1]
oldman100 calls [$0.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 6c, Qh ]
oldman100 checks
skutis77 bets [$1]
oldman100 calls [$1]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
oldman100 checks
skutis77 bets [$2]
oldman100 raises to [$4]
skutis77 raises to [$9]
oldman100 goes all-in
oldman100 raises to [$27.65]
skutis77 calls [$18.65]
** Showdown **
oldman100 shows [ Qc, Kh ]
skutis77 shows [ Qd, Jc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
** Hand Conclusion **
skutis77 wins $56.35 from main pot with full house, Queens full of Jacks

PoolKing
07-12-2007, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
is there some theory going round that straight and flush draws are the nuts.

For scandinavian players it is certainly the norm.

oz_da II
07-12-2007, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
one to make you feel a little better saul. glad i'm not on higher blinds


http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162518

saul1664
07-12-2007, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
For scandinavian players it is certainly the norm.

What I don't understand is I open the pot for $2, and put $4 into about a $4 pot, so then he risks $140 to win $6 when he hasn't hit one card. If I fold he wins virtually nothing, if I call he is completely dominated.

se1eagle
07-12-2007, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
What I don't understand is I open the pot for $2, and put $4 into about a $4 pot, so then he risks $140 to win $6 when he hasn't hit one card. If I fold he wins virtually nothing, if I call he is completely dominated.

It's a horrible play. I would actually like a raise but to shove over your c-bet with a bare OESD is just dumb. At the higher limits it's important to play your draws aggressively as you have lots of equity in the pot, and it allows you to get paid off on your big hands but at low stakes you get paid off on your big hands anyway.

saul1664
07-12-2007, 01:38 AM
Good god almighty...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 284127788 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 07, 01:32:22 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 14 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: OhSoYellow ( $102.15 )
Seat 2: Player2007 ( $165.39 )
Seat 3: renagade ( $64.60 )
Seat 5: saul1664 ( $145.90 )
Seat 6: wib26 ( $128.40 )
renagade posts small blind [$0.50]
saul1664 posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Js, Jc ]
wib26 raises to [$2]
OhSoYellow raises to [$7.50]
Player2007 calls [$7.50]
renagade folds
saul1664 calls [$6.50]
wib26 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, As, 7h ]
saul1664 checks
OhSoYellow checks
Player2007 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
saul1664 checks
OhSoYellow checks
Player2007 bets [$18]
saul1664 folds
OhSoYellow calls [$18]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
OhSoYellow checks
Player2007 bets [$54]
OhSoYellow calls [$54]
** Showdown **
Player2007 shows [ 3d, 3s ] three of a kind, Threes
OhSoYellow mucks [ Ks, Kd ]
** Hand Conclusion **
Player2007 wins $166 from main pot with three of a kind, Threes
************ Game 284127788 ends ************

oz_da II
07-12-2007, 02:03 AM
http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162518

Chester
07-12-2007, 02:24 AM
:D

You are not going to let this go are you. You obviously didnt make it clear enough by naming the thread after Saul

oz_da II
07-12-2007, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Chester
:D

You are not going to let this go are you. You obviously didnt make it clear enough by naming the thread after Saul

Now there is an idea.

Please rename thread, S_E. :p

Strathclyde Eagle
07-12-2007, 08:52 AM
Given that another moderator just changed a thread title to take a username out of it I'm not sure that's a good idea. :)

Plus I'm someone who has drawn-out on Saul, so I'm definitely not the person to do it. If I'm renaming it anything, I'm calling it "Saul is more gracious than Hellmuth/Devilfish".

Speaking of them if any of you goes to a Riley's where they give away free copies of Bluff Europe there's a good article on the top 11 blow-ups of all time. Hellmuth's HSP one against Negreanu might be my favourite.

Finbar
07-12-2007, 09:58 AM
any link to youtube SE?

personally as a poker thread browser premdominately (don't get the time to play very often) I like Saul's (and others) hand histories and certainly can't be bothered to find the other thread

Particularly like the Omaha ones that take me 10mins to work out why the bad beat didn't win!!

Strathclyde Eagle
07-12-2007, 11:09 AM
There are supposed to be a whole lot of links to YouTube clips on the Bluff Europe website, according to the article. I'll try and dig out the link when I get home tonight.

Mike Matusow exiting the 2004 WSOP with AK vs AQ was number 1 in the list. Personally I preferred his call on Raymer's flush draw with a pair of nines and a seven kicker, followed by Raymer's "Thanks for busting me, Mike" comment after making his flush.

Finbar
07-12-2007, 11:16 AM
Cheers SE, can't check those sites from work but will try to remember to take a look over the weekend

Strathclyde Eagle
07-12-2007, 11:36 AM
I'm the same, which is why I can't give you any links just now. :)

eaglesrus
07-12-2007, 12:15 PM
So have we decided when we are going to have the live game yet? Was that date that went around a few pages back ok with every one? Would be good to get this organised!

Getting ready to go off to Manchester tomorrow. Going to try to play quite tightly as I did up in Birmingham and see if I can hit a few more hands. Will give everyone an update when I can!

citizen sane
07-12-2007, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Very much so, had a good time last night..... As long as I have 1hr in advance I can set up whenever!

Nice one, perhaps next wednesday then ?

citizen sane
07-12-2007, 05:20 PM
Good luck with your op Paul.

saul1664
07-12-2007, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
any link to youtube SE?

personally as a poker thread browser premdominately (don't get the time to play very often) I like Saul's (and others) hand histories and certainly can't be bothered to find the other thread

Particularly like the Omaha ones that take me 10mins to work out why the bad beat didn't win!!

Its not there as a bad beat, it's an interesting hand, and asks lots of questions (i.e. a checked flop with KK with A on flop, yet he was willing to call on turn, why is 33 calling a big raise which KK and JJ have called and still keeps betting). Guy who hits the trips is a terrible player who calls extremely large raises on junk hands. Does a big flop bet make him fold, or is a check the right play considering he is as loose as he is.

Strathclyde Eagle
07-12-2007, 10:12 PM
Can't find the blowup article on the Bluff website. Found the winner on Youtube though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=botVme_fj4E

StuNick
07-12-2007, 10:45 PM
Anyone play on bluesq?
I am doing ok in a 20k guarenteed tourney, just 18 left and I am chip leader

StuNick
07-12-2007, 10:46 PM
may be tempting fate of course

saul1664
07-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Playing well in betfairs $500 PLO tourney, chip leader with 19K with 9 left (top 3 paid). Was down to $700 earlier so will be a massive comeback, although was chip leader yesterday before it went all wrong.

StuNick
07-12-2007, 11:52 PM
Still going, 9 left and 2nd at the moment

saul1664
08-12-2007, 12:00 AM
Famous last words. Lost 5K to AA vs KK vs 44 with 44 making straight.

ooooooooh just rivered a flush

saul1664
08-12-2007, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by StuNick
Still going, 9 left and 2nd at the moment

nice payout

StuNick
08-12-2007, 12:10 AM
8 left, pays out first 8 so happy enough and just knocked out 2nd chip leader with bullets against his AK so big CL at the minute. $6400 to the winner

saul1664
08-12-2007, 12:11 AM
In danger here, down to 13K, had AA 3 times in 6 hands and lost every time. Table really tight. Still in 2nd.

saul1664
08-12-2007, 12:27 AM
3 handed, now 10 min break. Currently 3rd out of 3 26 vs 24 vs 14K.

StuNick
08-12-2007, 12:34 AM
4 left, still CL but chips all over the place

saul1664
08-12-2007, 12:50 AM
good luck. 2nd. 3 way pot went wrong and i was left 4,500 vs 62,000 heads up with 1500/3000 blinds and lasted one hand HU. Still 8 x buy in back.

ANDY FROM BR1
08-12-2007, 12:58 AM
What game are you playing StuNick? In BsQ and can't se any 20k guaranteed.

StuNick
08-12-2007, 01:05 AM
It is called $20,000 Double Stack Freeze Out
I am Monkee Boy, Started about 8:20

StuNick
08-12-2007, 01:06 AM
I am 2nd but only two left so guarenteed $4400 :o

KevTheOptimist
08-12-2007, 01:10 AM
Sual, if you fancy a laugh, get in the sng for $2.50 super turbo

KevTheOptimist
08-12-2007, 01:11 AM
1327788

StuNick
08-12-2007, 01:11 AM
Won it :) $6400
I had all the luck (as I am sure Finbar will testify too)
Major hand was me with JJ against 2 spades, and 2 spades on the flop, he went all in and there was only one over card so I called and he missed :p

saul1664
08-12-2007, 01:13 AM
wow what was entry

StuNick
08-12-2007, 01:14 AM
$300 plus 30, made most of that playing cash games last weekend
Just removed £3k from my account

Ian Hart
08-12-2007, 01:30 AM
Bravo :p

SamTheOldGoat
08-12-2007, 01:32 AM
Congrats Stu. Top stuff and welcome :)

Over £300 up from playing pissy £1/£1 (not my normal game) in Rileys. Sh1t a brick they are bad in there. I super straddled to £8 blind obv, flop 332, I check blind, someguy literally shoves his £100 stack with K10 off, I look, 3/5. LOL. SENDEROS.

Such a good week both live and online. 2k+, back to the good days :)

SamTheOldGoat
08-12-2007, 01:33 AM
What cash games do you play Stu?

Chester
08-12-2007, 03:08 AM
Good work Stu. Top cash :p

samtheeagle
08-12-2007, 04:48 AM
Impressive night for the BBS. Just been down for the 10 rebuy at the grosvenor again. 3rd place for 270quid and then won 100 playing cash afterwards. Final tabled the last 5 times ive been there over the last 2 months. Going to miss out on the top 18 of the christmas league though who go into a freeroll for 2k I think. x

samtheeagle
08-12-2007, 05:03 AM
From above.

Three left big stack to my left with about 120k and other player has about 25k im sitting about 30k deep.
Big stack really starting to bully especially from the button. Blinds at 2k-4k,
On the Big blind and big stack is on the button. He raises to 14k, look down at A9 off suit.
Second place pays nice amount more then third and the other player is an absoloute fish. Do I fold this knowing the big stack probably doesnt have fold equity? Or hold tight and play for second place?

Chester
08-12-2007, 06:41 AM
Very random post I admit but having seen Apestyles in real life id love to know who his photographer is as in real life he is, shall we say,slightly podgy.Yet his PXF photo and others make him look rather better!

Probably be moved to Oz's BB&V thread soon ;)

StuNick
08-12-2007, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
What cash games do you play Stu?

I don't play cash games that often, mostly SitnGos, but if I do play cash it is usually on Bluesq and the odd game on betfair about $5 -$10 NL

And Cheers Guys :p

NO1FAN
08-12-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by StuNick
$300 plus 30, made most of that playing cash games last weekend
Just removed £3k from my account

Great stuff Stu :p

SamTheOldGoat
08-12-2007, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
From above.

Three left big stack to my left with about 120k and other player has about 25k im sitting about 30k deep.
Big stack really starting to bully especially from the button. Blinds at 2k-4k,
On the Big blind and big stack is on the button. He raises to 14k, look down at A9 off suit.
Second place pays nice amount more then third and the other player is an absoloute fish. Do I fold this knowing the big stack probably doesnt have fold equity? Or hold tight and play for second place?

I'm shoving here and taking the 60/40 in my favour, what did he show, K10?

Finbar
08-12-2007, 12:34 PM
Great work Stu! :p

How come when we go halves that never happens...must be down to me then :clown:

and yes you are a jammy **** most of the time :p

samtheeagle
08-12-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I'm shoving here and taking the 60/40 in my favour, what did he show, K10?

I shoved and he flipped over 10's which held up.
Was only dominated by 9 hands and that was one of them.
The other fish moved all in with 3,5 the very next hand which was swiftly called by the chip leaders 6,6. Think I made the right play but just annoyed because I could have held out for second.

Had a lovely hand on the final table though were short stack moved all in for her last 10k small blind called and I moved all in. Small blind called and fliped over QQ short stack had 10,10.
Flop came Q,10,4
Turn came A for my set!

saul1664
08-12-2007, 08:48 PM
Up against flopped str8?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 284804605 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, December 08, 20:34:24 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 09 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: sprink ( $157.10 )
Seat 2: Pseudoman ( $98.50 )
Seat 3: saul1664 ( $183.06 )
Seat 4: gullwings ( $108.77 )
Seat 5: UKYank72 ( $122.39 )
Seat 6: alibubu000 ( $97 )
sprink posts small blind [$0.50]
Pseudoman posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ Ac, Ad ]
saul1664 raises to [$4]
gullwings calls [$4]
UKYank72 folds
alibubu000 folds
sprink calls [$3.50]
Pseudoman calls [$3]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 8h, Jd ]
sprink bets [$10]
Pseudoman folds
saul1664 calls [$10]
gullwings folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
sprink checks
saul1664 bets [$22]
sprink raises to [$80]
saul1664 folds
Returning uncalled bet [$58] to sprink
** Hand Conclusion **
sprink wins $77 from main pot
************ Game 284804605 ends ************

citizen sane
08-12-2007, 09:14 PM
Nice cash out StuNick :p

saul1664
08-12-2007, 11:49 PM
Any chance at all of getting away from this hand...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 284882686 *****
NL $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Saturday, December 08, 23:43:24 GMT 2007
Table Fluorine 06 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: fiskeren1 ( $145.70 )
Seat 2: saul1664 ( $97.50 )
Seat 3: camelstoe ( $98.60 )
Seat 4: sara ( $129.55 )
Seat 5: booga ( $94.40 )
Seat 6: oscarino ( $65.10 )
saul1664 posts small blind [$0.50]
camelstoe posts big blind [$1]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to saul1664 [ As, Ah ]
sara folds
booga calls [$1]
oscarino calls [$1]
fiskeren1 folds
saul1664 raises to [$4.50]
camelstoe folds
booga calls [$3.50]
oscarino folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 6s, Ks ]
saul1664 bets [$7]
booga calls [$7]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
saul1664 bets [$12]
booga calls [$12]
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
saul1664 bets [$38]
booga goes all-in
booga raises to [$70.90]
saul1664 calls [$32.90]
** Showdown **
saul1664 shows [ As, Ah ] full house, Sixes full of Aces
booga shows [ Ac, 6d ] four of a kind, Sixes
** Hand Conclusion **
booga wins $187.80 from main pot with four of a kind, Sixes
************ Game 284882686 ends ************

Strathclyde Eagle
08-12-2007, 11:59 PM
The only clue might be in two flat calls, which looks a bit suspicious. Still pretty tough to get away from though I'd say.

samtheeagle
09-12-2007, 12:04 AM
Theres no way out of that second hand. You've got to put him on a king boat.
As for the first one you've got to think your beat. If thats the rest of his stack on the turn you've got to call but with more betting on the river its hard to call. Would have been tempted to push though.

SamTheOldGoat
09-12-2007, 01:17 AM
BBV?

saul1664
09-12-2007, 01:25 AM
river

citizen sane
09-12-2007, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Theres no way out of that second hand. You've got to put him on a king boat.


Thats what I would have put him on, No getting away from that hand I think.

citizen sane
09-12-2007, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Up against flopped str8?


Or two pairs.

They obviously thought they were way ahead if they were prepared to give you a free card on they turn by checking.

I would have been wary of that flop with 3 callers whatever happened.

Paul Romain
09-12-2007, 08:38 PM
Well I now have a shiny new hip!

Brought my laptop in to do some bits and pieces offline as the hospital literature said only dialup was available at hotel rates but when I got here they were offering free wireless broadband so have managed to log on for a while.

Was going to play but am too tired - been connected up to all sorts of gadgets clicking and whirring all night long and got no sleep at all!

There will be a letter of complaint about being assigned a male nurse for the bedbath yesterday too!! (did I hear someone say "too much information" :D)

saul1664
09-12-2007, 11:16 PM
Aggggggh. Four minutes 10 hours play in 2K rebuy, made final table, pushed all in with QQ, from short stack. Had 15K in chips, blinds 1/2K, only one caller KA, thought I'd get a double up but A on river.

One hand haunts me though, had 16K in chips blinds were 200/400, unfortunately placed on a table with chip leader 1 to left, chip leader 2 to right and picked up 88. Chip leader 2 raises to 1200 and I let it go (kept getting my blinds dominated by either pair). Flop came 8 and turn came 8 and they both got their chips in. Thinking how it was such a bad call as only 800 more to go from a reasonable sized stack at the time.

SamTheOldGoat
09-12-2007, 11:36 PM
Aren't the posts involving bad beats ment to be in the bad beat section?!?! Oz, do your 'ting'.

Should make the 800 call to set mine all day long. Would have trebled up and had an M of about 90! Ooops!

Great to hear your on the mend and the op went well Paul. Maybe you can play in a BBS game this week? Good news on the dial up as well, get lots of rest mate and try and get a female nurse ;)

Another great day playing live cash yesterday. £500+ in 1/1. Good times :) Grosvenor/Rileys cash games. Dead ££££ to the tune of £800+ this weekend. Whoopa.

oz_da II
10-12-2007, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Aggggggh. Four minutes 10 hours play in 2K rebuy, made final table, pushed all in with QQ, from short stack. Had 15K in chips, blinds 1/2K, only one caller KA, thought I'd get a double up but A on river.


http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162518

Final warning. :moo: :o

oz_da II
10-12-2007, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
One hand haunts me though, had 16K in chips blinds were 200/400, unfortunately placed on a table with chip leader 1 to left, chip leader 2 to right and picked up 88. Chip leader 2 raises to 1200 and I let it go (kept getting my blinds dominated by either pair). Flop came 8 and turn came 8 and they both got their chips in. Thinking how it was such a bad call as only 800 more to go from a reasonable sized stack at the time.

If you're not going to defend to or fight off a chip bully with the snowmen when are you?

GodstoneEagle
10-12-2007, 02:58 AM
anyone else on partypoker?

gsaunders22
10-12-2007, 10:10 AM
Your views please…

OK it’s a £10 f/o, say 100 players. Down to 40 odd players, blinds are 300/600 and you have about 3000 chips left. How do you play hands such as K10 suited and A5 suited from early position?

Do you:

1. Flat call and fold to a raise.
2. Raise (which may be all-in due to chip stack)
3. Just chuck them away.
4. Flat call, and call a raise.

In late position I would raise with them. Early on in the tourney I might just flat call with them, but I am not too sure how to play these (pretty looking) hands at the latter stages of a tournament and from early position.

Your advice please……then I will tell you the hand I got knocked out with…..quite sick!! (maybe for the bad beat thread though)

Cheers

Zola's Chin
10-12-2007, 10:18 AM
3

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 10:23 AM
Chuck em or move all in!

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 10:29 AM
Then again I dont like moving all in as a short stack with rag ace because most calls your likely to get will be with a higher ace leaving you with only 3 outs.
Once the blinds have passed you your left with only 2k in chips and in trouble. Depending how tight the table is and your image I think i'd be pushing my chips in with K10 suited. Your probably going to move up to 4k in chips but if not your only dominated by 8 hands. A call means your likely to be in a race with a low Pocket pair or only a 60/40 under to a hand like AJ.

gsaunders22
10-12-2007, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Then again I dont like moving all in as a short stack with rag ace because most calls your likely to get will be with a higher ace leaving you with only 3 outs.
Once the blinds have passed you your left with only 2k in chips and in trouble. Depending how tight the table is and your image I think i'd be pushing my chips in with K10 suited. Your probably going to move up to 4k in chips but if not your only dominated by 8 hands. A call means your likely to be in a race with a low Pocket pair or only a 60/40 under to a hand like AJ.

Sound advice...Cheers!

Loosing hand........blinds 400/800 guy UTG raise to 2000 I look down at AJ and raise all in (a big total of 3200) folds round to raiser and he of course calls. He has 55 so I am fairly happy.

Flop comes J 3 A....Loving that flop and am being told to sit back down by the other players.....turn card is a 5 !! I'll get my coat!

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Your views please…

OK it’s a £10 f/o, say 100 players. Down to 40 odd players, blinds are 300/600 and you have about 3000 chips left. How do you play hands such as K10 suited and A5 suited from early position?

Do you:

1. Flat call and fold to a raise.
2. Raise (which may be all-in due to chip stack)
3. Just chuck them away.
4. Flat call, and call a raise.

In late position I would raise with them. Early on in the tourney I might just flat call with them, but I am not too sure how to play these (pretty looking) hands at the latter stages of a tournament and from early position.

Your advice please……then I will tell you the hand I got knocked out with…..quite sick!! (maybe for the bad beat thread though)

Cheers
If I have 3k chips with an M of 3 I'm putting them all in as standard, literally ANY 2 cards. Any large stacks on BB will no doubt call as well.

As Sam says A* isn't a good hand but I DEFINITELY wouldn't wait for the blidns to come round, they'd be in the pot straight away :)

If you raise it's got to be a stop and go. If you miss the flop you have to fire the rest of your chips anyway. Definitely not chuck them away or flat call adn fold to a raise!



Godstone, I'm playing a lot on Party at the moment...

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 10:49 AM
Sounds like your live cash is going well at the moment sam.
Where abouts are you playing?

Back in London for the christmas, anyone know of any nice live tourny's coming up?

Anyone played at the Grosvenor Victoria? Theres a 50 rebuy tonight im tempted by.

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 10:59 AM
And good luck with the new hip paul, im sure you'll be back soon.

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Sounds like your live cash is going well at the moment sam.
Where abouts are you playing?

Back in London for the christmas, anyone know of any nice live tourny's coming up?

Anyone played at the Grosvenor Victoria? Theres a 50 rebuy tonight im tempted by.

Indeed it is mate. My best mate and I decided we wanted to play some cash after a few beers on Friday night and remembered that they played some sort of cash in Rileys, the standard of play was literally so bad Sam and if you have one around your way, be sure to check it out.

Then Saturday played £1/£1 again in Grosvenor with a couple of hundred and just ran it up through 2 hours which was nice :)

My friend has played in the Vic a lot and seems to really like it, I haven't. You been there before mate? Give me an update of how you do chap :)

gsaunders22
10-12-2007, 11:35 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
[B]If I have 3k chips with an M of 3 I'm putting them all in as standard, literally ANY 2 cards. Any large stacks on BB will no doubt call as well.

As Sam says A* isn't a good hand but I DEFINITELY wouldn't wait for the blidns to come round, they'd be in the pot straight away :)

If you raise it's got to be a stop and go. If you miss the flop you have to fire the rest of your chips anyway. Definitely not chuck them away or flat call adn fold to a raise!

OK lets say you have a healthy stack, say, 15k or so. Early position with the same hands. I guess it depends on the type of player you are? Limp in, raise, or fold??

gsaunders22
10-12-2007, 11:36 AM
Why is your post not in bold??

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 11:41 AM
Not a clue mate. If I have a nice stack, M of 15+ I'm binning K10, KJ, A10 and under in early position :)

Strathclyde Eagle
10-12-2007, 11:43 AM
Did you edit the previous quote? Got to be a bit careful not to delete any tags. :)

Anyone know when Poker Stars started this feature where hovering over your seat when you've folded shows your hole cards? Really like it, nice little feature.

eaglesrus
10-12-2007, 11:44 AM
Got back late from another fun weekend of Poker up in Manchester.

I travelled up with a work friend and arrived quite early on the Saturday. Left with plenty of time and so got to the Casino with a few hours to spare which allowed me to watch a bit of football prior to the tournament starting at 2.30.

Well the poker kicked off on time. I went into the tournament feeling I would play quite tightly using a similar play technique as I did in Birmingham. However, I continuously was given good drawing hands which tempted me to try and see a cheap flop. however, when i tried to limp in the pot was continuously raised due to being on a very agressive table. This meant that my stack started eroding away.

I took one big hit when i was deal 66. an early position raise and i flat called. the flop came out 7c7c3 spades. the early position (not a very good player) bet into the pot. i looked at him and it was obvious that he was on a flush draw. i decided to flat call as i felt that if i came over the top he would call and then my tournament chance was going to be in the balance. the next card brought another club. he checked and so did i. the river brought a blanc and he bet a relatively small amount. stupidly i called and he flipped over a10 clubs for the nut flush. this was one play that really annoyed me, however I am happy that I made the original correct read.

I did however have one good win with KK however within a couple of levels and just before the lunch break I was down to around the 7k mark.

I then got dealt aa on the button. the action got folded around to me so I decided i needed to try and get some value. I flat called the blind. The small blind came in and the big blind raised. I decided to just flat call, a dangerous strategy however with 3 people in the pot I thought this could be my way to get back into the tourney. the flop came out with an ace so i hit trips. i got someone to bet into it and then took the hand down with a raise on the turn. this brought my chip count up to around 12.5k at the lunch break. this was around the average chip stack size and i was reasonably happy.

the next few levels after lunch i hit some great cards. however, once again I did not get value from them due to either no eraly position raises or people folding to my raises. for the next few levels my stack therefore kept around the same size.

after the next break i went card dead. the one time i got aces on the big blind it got folded around to me! i then got a2 on the small blind. I decided to steal the big blind and raised. the bb called. the flop came out 888. i bet 4k into the pot, the bb blind thought long and hard about it and then called. the turn was checked and then he bet out on the river card. i obviously had to fold. looking back this was a stupid play on my part. It was clear that i was "at it" with the bet on the flop and by me not making a continuation bet meant that he knew he was ahead. this took me back down to around 8k.

the blinds by this stage had increased considerably. i was not seeing any hands now and just had to try to steal the blinds as and where i could. i then got dealt jj on the small blind. the person on the button raised it to 6k. this was a simple decision and i pushed all in. the button looked annoyed byt obviously had to call. he showed 97 suited. the jacks held up and i doubled through to 16k.

a couple of steals later brought my stack up to around 20k. the blinds were now 2 and 4k so i was quite short stacked. i was dealt 44 on the small blind. the action got folded around and i decided i had to have the blind. i raised it to 12k. the big blind (a female player with only one move which was all in!!) pushed all in. i was pot commited by this stage. i hoped that she had ak etc so was in a race and called. she flipped over ak. a 4 on the flop gave me trips and I doubled through to around 40k.

i then stole a few blinds and got a few pots down and raised my stack to around 60k which was above average. there was only 30 minutes left of the session and we were down to around 30 players. i told myself to sit tight and only play premium hands to make sure i got to the second day. a short stack shoved for 12k in early position. it then got folded around to me. I looked down on aq and felt obliged to call. the short stack showed kj off. he then proceed to hit a full house and i was back down to 47k. quite dissapointed as if my hand had held up i would of been on 65k and above the average stack size. the day finished shortly after.

I arrived back on day 2. 23 people were left. 21st to 23rd were going to get £75 and then from 10-20 were going to get £400. the blinds were 4 and 8k. play was very tight. i stole a couple of blinds but never had any raising hands. when we got down to 21 people we went hand for hand. i took a hit and was left with 21k. thankfully someone went out on the other table and so we were down to 20 people.

the first hand i was dealt a5. the action was folded around and i pushed all in. the bb called with 94 offsuit! the ace 5 held up and i doubled through to around 60k.

i then went card dead and had no option to push due to early position raises. my stack went down to around 40k with the blinds 5 and 10k. i then was deal q4 offsuit. no early position raises and so I pushed all in. the person on the button through about it and finally decided to call. he showed j9 clubs. the flop brought two clubs, the turn was a blanc. unfortunately the last card was a further club which meant he had hit the flush and i was eliminated in 15th place.

Looking back, I am again quite happy with my play. there were some very good players there and once again I felt I competed well and was one of the stroner players. I made some good reads and played most hands well. i was unlucky that when i was given good hands I did not get any action due to folds around to me. the slow structure of the blinds suits me far better than the lottery of the 15 minute structure.

a link to the second day report on the APAT site is attached.

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=833.0

my live cash bank roll is now building so will be looking forward to entering some larger events. first of all, will hopefully be at the apat tournament in cardiff. been so close to the final table twice so will hopefully get there in January!

Strathclyde Eagle
10-12-2007, 11:56 AM
Great report eaglesrus and congrats on the cash. :p

GodstoneEagle
10-12-2007, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Got back late from another fun weekend of Poker up in Manchester.

I travelled up with a work friend and arrived quite early on the Saturday. Left with plenty of time and so got to the Casino with a few hours to spare which allowed me to watch a bit of football prior to the tournament starting at 2.30.

Well the poker kicked off on time. I went into the tournament feeling I would play quite tightly using a similar play technique as I did in Birmingham. However, I continuously was given good drawing hands which tempted me to try and see a cheap flop. however, when i tried to limp in the pot was continuously raised due to being on a very agressive table. This meant that my stack started eroding away.

I took one big hit when i was deal 66. an early position raise and i flat called. the flop came out 7c7c3 spades. the early position (not a very good player) bet into the pot. i looked at him and it was obvious that he was on a flush draw. i decided to flat call as i felt that if i came over the top he would call and then my tournament chance was going to be in the balance. the next card brought another club. he checked and so did i. the river brought a blanc and he bet a relatively small amount. stupidly i called and he flipped over a10 clubs for the nut flush. this was one play that really annoyed me, however I am happy that I made the original correct read.

I did however have one good win with KK however within a couple of levels and just before the lunch break I was down to around the 7k mark.

I then got dealt aa on the button. the action got folded around to me so I decided i needed to try and get some value. I flat called the blind. The small blind came in and the big blind raised. I decided to just flat call, a dangerous strategy however with 3 people in the pot I thought this could be my way to get back into the tourney. the flop came out with an ace so i hit trips. i got someone to bet into it and then took the hand down with a raise on the turn. this brought my chip count up to around 12.5k at the lunch break. this was around the average chip stack size and i was reasonably happy.

the next few levels after lunch i hit some great cards. however, once again I did not get value from them due to either no eraly position raises or people folding to my raises. for the next few levels my stack therefore kept around the same size.

after the next break i went card dead. the one time i got aces on the big blind it got folded around to me! i then got a2 on the small blind. I decided to steal the big blind and raised. the bb called. the flop came out 888. i bet 4k into the pot, the bb blind thought long and hard about it and then called. the turn was checked and then he bet out on the river card. i obviously had to fold. looking back this was a stupid play on my part. It was clear that i was "at it" with the bet on the flop and by me not making a continuation bet meant that he knew he was ahead. this took me back down to around 8k.

the blinds by this stage had increased considerably. i was not seeing any hands now and just had to try to steal the blinds as and where i could. i then got dealt jj on the small blind. the person on the button raised it to 6k. this was a simple decision and i pushed all in. the button looked annoyed byt obviously had to call. he showed 97 suited. the jacks held up and i doubled through to 16k.

a couple of steals later brought my stack up to around 20k. the blinds were now 2 and 4k so i was quite short stacked. i was dealt 44 on the small blind. the action got folded around and i decided i had to have the blind. i raised it to 12k. the big blind (a female player with only one move which was all in!!) pushed all in. i was pot commited by this stage. i hoped that she had ak etc so was in a race and called. she flipped over ak. a 4 on the flop gave me trips and I doubled through to around 40k.

i then stole a few blinds and got a few pots down and raised my stack to around 60k which was above average. there was only 30 minutes left of the session and we were down to around 30 players. i told myself to sit tight and only play premium hands to make sure i got to the second day. a short stack shoved for 12k in early position. it then got folded around to me. I looked down on aq and felt obliged to call. the short stack showed kj off. he then proceed to hit a full house and i was back down to 47k. quite dissapointed as if my hand had held up i would of been on 65k and above the average stack size. the day finished shortly after.

I arrived back on day 2. 23 people were left. 21st to 23rd were going to get £75 and then from 10-20 were going to get £400. the blinds were 4 and 8k. play was very tight. i stole a couple of blinds but never had any raising hands. when we got down to 21 people we went hand for hand. i took a hit and was left with 21k. thankfully someone went out on the other table and so we were down to 20 people.

the first hand i was dealt a5. the action was folded around and i pushed all in. the bb called with 94 offsuit! the ace 5 held up and i doubled through to around 60k.

i then went card dead and had no option to push due to early position raises. my stack went down to around 40k with the blinds 5 and 10k. i then was deal q4 offsuit. no early position raises and so I pushed all in. the person on the button through about it and finally decided to call. he showed j9 clubs. the flop brought two clubs, the turn was a blanc. unfortunately the last card was a further club which meant he had hit the flush and i was eliminated in 15th place.

Looking back, I am again quite happy with my play. there were some very good players there and once again I felt I competed well and was one of the stroner players. I made some good reads and played most hands well. i was unlucky that when i was given good hands I did not get any action due to folds around to me. the slow structure of the blinds suits me far better than the lottery of the 15 minute structure.

a link to the second day report on the APAT site is attached.

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=833.0

my live cash bank roll is now building so will be looking forward to entering some larger events. first of all, will hopefully be at the apat tournament in cardiff. been so close to the final table twice so will hopefully get there in January! which casino was it? we like the grosvenor

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 12:56 PM
nice work
How much is the buyin for the APAT?

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Only £75, starts off with a great structure but after 8 hours it turns into a mega crapshoot as the blinds are literally doubled.

Gongrats EaglesRUs. TOp work mate, ;)

saul1664
10-12-2007, 02:15 PM
All seats likely to be sold out in under the 1st minute of registration so need to be quick or satellite in.

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 02:31 PM
As Saul says be quick, I've tried twice and got in twice, just need to be good with the card number! Online satellites available too

eaglesrus
10-12-2007, 02:46 PM
Many thanks.

It was the G Casino up in Manchester. Quite a nice Casino and good card room. some footballer wife style girls came in late on the Saturday night which also made it more attractive. i had a good view over the roulette table that they were playing on!

The structure is good as you do have a lot of time to make your moves early on in the tourney. However, the blinds do quickly go up a couple of hours after the lunch. Therefore if you are not accustomed to stealing blinds and being agressive pre flop your stack will quickly erode away.

It gets to the stage where it is excedingly unusual to even see a flop when its not an all in bet!

The events do get sold out incredibly quickly. there are live satellites this weekend (saturday) across the country for the Cardiff one. there are also online satellites sunday and monday.

i am off skiing on saturday for a week so I am going to attempt to buy straight in (while in france) on tuesday when it opens at 9. genearlly will get sold out within a few minutes!

would be good if we can get a few of us up there.

DANCOO
10-12-2007, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus


i am off skiing on saturday for a week...

Paul Romain going with you?

DANCOO
10-12-2007, 03:21 PM
I have just realised we have our very own Moderator/Poker Hand.

Q3 (Queen with a trey), also known as the Gay Waiter, shall now be allianced with Les Butler. :)

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 03:26 PM
Yep im going to head to the Victoria Grosvenor for the sattalite on the 15th. When can you apply direct if I dont qualify?

eaglesrus
10-12-2007, 03:30 PM
You can apply at www.apat.com. Have a look at the chat board. the link to buy will appear on the main page dead on 9.

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 03:40 PM
If you know your card no's offby heart you'll get in no probs ;)

Right now I'm 10 tabling on party and had a heart stopping moment :D

***** Hand History for Game 6579049712 *****
$50 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 10, 10:35:12 ET 2007
Table Jackpot #1308914 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: stan1602 ( $82.57 USD )
Seat 6: DestroyinYoo ( $111.69 USD )
Seat 5: aaa12321 ( $53.68 USD )
Seat 3: garlando333 ( $11.74 USD )
Seat 2: ownage67 ( $48.06 USD )
Seat 1: XyogoD ( $33.57 USD )
XyogoD posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
ownage67 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DestroyinYoo [ Ac Tc ]
garlando333 calls [$0.50 USD]
stan1602 folds
aaa12321 calls [$0.50 USD]
DestroyinYoo raises [$3 USD]
XyogoD folds
ownage67 folds
garlando333 folds
aaa12321 calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 8c, Kd ]
aaa12321 checks
DestroyinYoo bets [$55 USD]
aaa12321 folds
DestroyinYoo does not show cards.
The time at which hand ended:Dec 10 2007 10:35 ET
DestroyinYoo wins $61.39 USD

samtheeagle
10-12-2007, 03:47 PM
Nice value bet:D

saul1664
10-12-2007, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
If you know your card no's offby heart you'll get in no probs ;)

Right now I'm 10 tabling on party and had a heart stopping moment :D

***** Hand History for Game 6579049712 *****
$50 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 10, 10:35:12 ET 2007
Table Jackpot #1308914 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: stan1602 ( $82.57 USD )
Seat 6: DestroyinYoo ( $111.69 USD )
Seat 5: aaa12321 ( $53.68 USD )
Seat 3: garlando333 ( $11.74 USD )
Seat 2: ownage67 ( $48.06 USD )
Seat 1: XyogoD ( $33.57 USD )
XyogoD posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
ownage67 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DestroyinYoo [ Ac Tc ]
garlando333 calls [$0.50 USD]
stan1602 folds
aaa12321 calls [$0.50 USD]
DestroyinYoo raises [$3 USD]
XyogoD folds
ownage67 folds
garlando333 folds
aaa12321 calls [$2.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 8c, Kd ]
aaa12321 checks
DestroyinYoo bets [$55 USD]
aaa12321 folds
DestroyinYoo does not show cards.
The time at which hand ended:Dec 10 2007 10:35 ET
DestroyinYoo wins $61.39 USD

Did that on betfair which is easy to do, but got called. I had A10, and he had A10...

SamTheOldGoat
10-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Ooops!

Those who pokertrack or office their hands, how many BB/100 are you running?

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 01:17 AM
Anybody know of any free Poker timer/bline software I can download?

oz_da II
11-12-2007, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Those who pokertrack or office their hands, how many BB/100 are you running?

-0.25BB/100 over the past 30,000 hands (thank Huey for rake back, bonuses and one nice tourney cash). Just generally running really stupid lately, morons hitting two outers, losing set on set etc etc...

3BB/100 for the previous database which was about 50,000 hands.

Chester
11-12-2007, 01:38 AM
:D

was getting short stacked and shoved AK get one caller who calls with 62c's

Flop is........

666

gg night night.lol

se1eagle
11-12-2007, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Ooops!

Those who pokertrack or office their hands, how many BB/100 are you running?

Currently running at 4.87 BB over 57K hands. I was doing quite a bit better but I had a pretty horrible downswing/breakeven stretch and started playing poorly. However my luck has finally started to even out and I now seem to be coming out of it, so fingers crossed I can get this up.

se1eagle
11-12-2007, 02:28 AM
And EV graph - I'm not complaining! :) I've now moved back to 50NL after dropping down to 25NL during my downswing. Played far too many hands at 25NL really but then I'm a bankroll nit...

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Currently running at 4.87 BB over 57K hands. I was doing quite a bit better but I had a pretty horrible downswing/breakeven stretch and started playing poorly. However my luck has finally started to even out and I now seem to be coming out of it, so fingers crossed I can get this up.

Nice stuff SE. V. sensible dropping down as well, I'll try and get my up my graph later, apparently running at 15 BB at the moment which obviously isn't sustainable I wouldn't have thought ;)

Nice EV graph too pal ;)

citizen sane
11-12-2007, 10:44 AM
Good write up and result Eaglesrus

GodstoneEagle
11-12-2007, 11:59 AM
sorry, this must be the worse beat ever

i get american airlines and put a pre-flop raise in of 500 with blinds at 25/50

two guys call!

flop is A88

full house on the flop, i put in 300 to hook the both of them along

one folds, one calls

next card is a 3

i bet another 300

he calls

river card is a 10

i go all in, about 1,900

he calls

i show full house

he shows pocket 8's giving him quads, i crash out and nearly throw my laptop out the window

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 12:09 PM
I would have been able to get out of that hand :cool:

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 12:10 PM
Fell asleep as chip leader of a MTT last night! Woke up with only 200 chips left and was promptly eliminated! Ooops

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by GodstoneEagle
sorry, this must be the worse beat ever

i get american airlines and put a pre-flop raise in of 500 with blinds at 25/50

two guys call!

flop is A88

full house on the flop, i put in 300 to hook the both of them along

one folds, one calls

next card is a 3

i bet another 300

he calls

river card is a 10

i go all in, about 1,900

he calls

i show full house

he shows pocket 8's giving him quads, i crash out and nearly throw my laptop out the window

Sorry, but that should be in the bad beat section, and DEFINITELY not the worst beat ever!

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Nice stuff SE. V. sensible dropping down as well, I'll try and get my up my graph later, apparently running at 15 BB at the moment which obviously isn't sustainable I wouldn't have thought ;)

Nice EV graph too pal ;)

This is on Party, assume yours is on FTP?

Gav The Hamster
11-12-2007, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by GodstoneEagle
sorry, this must be the worse beat ever


sorry but no its not.

oz_da II
11-12-2007, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by GodstoneEagle
sorry, this must be the worse beat ever


Not even close, get this outtahere. :moo:

oz_da II
11-12-2007, 12:34 PM
As it goes, a truly bad beat would have been if you hit your one outer.

se1eagle
11-12-2007, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
This is on Party, assume yours is on FTP?

The first 45K hands is on FTP, everything after that is Party

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Not even close, get this outtahere. :moo:

Here here!

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
The first 45K hands is on FTP, everything after that is Party

That's what your playing on now yes? It's pretty damn soft isn't it, are you playing 6max of full ring? What's your Party username chap, PM if you want...... How is profit FTP V PP?

se1eagle
11-12-2007, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
That's what your playing on now yes? It's pretty damn soft isn't it, are you playing 6max of full ring? What's your Party username chap, PM if you want...... How is profit FTP V PP?

Yup moved the roll over after getting very frustrated with FT. Found I was winning more when I played Party so just figured why not only play Party. The FTP games are VERY tough for micro limit games, it's ridiculous.

Since joining Party I'm about 9BB/100 hands - however it's only about 12K hands so difficult to compare. However my first 22K hands on FTP I was at 16BB/100 so god knows really! :) PM Sent

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 02:20 PM
Jeeeeez. Bonkers. PM replied to :)

Anyone up for a BBS game again tonight? Happy to do any stakes, and want as many people included as well, so if you think a couple of $10 games is too much, just say :)

Anyone fancy it?

Gav The Hamster
11-12-2007, 02:22 PM
Pretty sure I am about tonight.

Let me know which site you are intending to play on.

If its FTP, I'll have to sign up but at least that will give me the opportunity to sign up for rakeback.

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 02:26 PM
No Gav, it'll be on Stars most likely as I can set up private tables there or Party, but sure most people use Stars. I can set 2 games up, one for 8pm and one for 9pm maybe?

Gav The Hamster
11-12-2007, 02:31 PM
Pretty sure I have a Stars account. I'll check when I get home.

Time wise is fine for me.

eaglesrus
11-12-2007, 02:36 PM
Could be keen as I should be around.

Though I want to know if we are going to get this live game organised. We really should all agree the date!

saul1664
11-12-2007, 03:15 PM
stars ok for me

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 03:46 PM
Good news Gav. Will provide details when home about half 5.

EaglesRUS. I will email BIG SLICK now and explain our requirements for a live game ok :)

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 04:43 PM
For those that want to build a roll, complete this survey on Stars, (takes about a minute), put in your username and they send you 300 FPPs. Enough to enter 4x70fpp SNGS and then unregister to make $11 should you cash :)

http://www.zoomerang.com/recipient/survey-intro.zgi?p=WEB2278KVJF3YJ

eaglesrus
11-12-2007, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Good news Gav. Will provide details when home about half 5.

EaglesRUS. I will email BIG SLICK now and explain our requirements for a live game ok :)

Sounds good to me!

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 06:02 PM
All e-mailed. :)

Got a private game set up for 8pm, can also set one up for 9pm if there's demand.

$10 buy in. As found in Tournaments - Private, 3pm ET, password: eagles

Get in now party people!

iamanuplander
11-12-2007, 06:03 PM
im up for a game on pokerstars if there is one going. and $10 is fine by me

iamanuplander
11-12-2007, 06:04 PM
found it and registered :)

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 06:19 PM
I'll probably be game. Got an early dinner to attend to now but should be back around 8.

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 06:20 PM
Register in advance SAM, the blind structure is so slow even if your 15mins late you'll be well in it, but if you don't register in time you don't even have a chance ;)

saul1664
11-12-2007, 06:22 PM
in

iamanuplander
11-12-2007, 06:45 PM
I think i will try to play better than i did last week because i was

appalling. I doubt any of u remember me i was that forgettable :(

Don't think any of you minded though i was some nice dead money for u

sharks!

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:00 PM
I remember you paying me off when I flopped a straight :D

In you come SE, EaglesRUS, Gav, Kev etc!

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Ahhh, would love to but am due to be heading out @ half 8...

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Actually, I reckon I may make it.

se1eagle
11-12-2007, 07:04 PM
Can't make tonight I'm afraid guys, completely snowed in at work... :(

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:11 PM
How many we likely to get?

iamanuplander
11-12-2007, 07:32 PM
around 8 it was for last week if i remember correctly, couldn't tell u for this week

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:36 PM
Get in Kev and Gav too!

iamanuplander
11-12-2007, 07:36 PM
only three at the moment whats going on?