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Gav The Hamster
11-12-2007, 07:37 PM
unfortunately I am still at work. should be able to make the 9pm one though.

Apologies

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:38 PM
Gimp.

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:42 PM
Not sure, we can play 3 handed though! Sure a few others will turn up....

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:44 PM
I'm umming and arring. Due to go out @ 8.30 so 8pm no good and prob wont by back for the 9pm!!

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:46 PM
Just go out late ;)

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 07:47 PM
If you get a few runners, I'll sign up to whatever site you use.

eaglesrus
11-12-2007, 07:49 PM
Im in. Wont be able to make the 9 one though.

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 07:50 PM
Who has a Stars account? Any sign up bonuses etc?

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:52 PM
We all have Stars accounts, and you have about 7 minutes to get into our comp!

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Edit: On second though, scrap it. I hate Stars.

Just remembered I have an account.

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:54 PM
I AM IN.

Figured I wont last 30 mins anyway.

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:54 PM
5 in so far........

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Edit: On second though, scrap it. I hate Stars.

Just remembered I have an account.

Worst excuse ever, come and join us ;)

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 07:57 PM
Oh go on then.

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 07:57 PM
6 in.

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:58 PM
Ok what's the users?

kevkev187 - Me
Nice hit fish - STOG
Saul - saul
anup returns - ?
9 Byrne - ?
Timmagnus - ?

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 07:59 PM
9...

CPFC87
11-12-2007, 07:59 PM
Can I play I have a Stars account? It's free I'm gathering...

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 07:59 PM
No.

CPFC87
11-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Gay. Ok.

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 08:04 PM
Deposit?

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Money?

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 08:09 PM
PokerStars Game #13795848061: Tournament #70016829, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/11 - 15:06:19 (ET)
Table '70016829 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 9 Byrne (1490 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (1410 in chips)
Seat 3: kevkev187 (1735 in chips)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (1355 in chips)
Seat 5: timmagnus (1490 in chips)
Seat 8: anup returns (1520 in chips)
timmagnus: posts small blind 10
anup returns: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NiceHitFish© [Ks Ac]
9 Byrne: folds
saul1664: raises 60 to 80
kevkev187: folds
NiceHitFish©: raises 150 to 230
timmagnus: folds
anup returns: folds
saul1664: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [4h Tc Qc]
saul1664: bets 1180 and is all-in
NiceHitFish©: folds
9 Byrne said, "tahts value right there ;)"
NiceHitFish© said, "wtf?"
saul1664 collected 490 from pot
saul1664: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 490 | Rake 0
Board [4h Tc Qc]
Seat 1: 9 Byrne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: saul1664 collected (490)
Seat 3: kevkev187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: timmagnus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: anup returns (big blind) folded before Flop

Chester
11-12-2007, 08:10 PM
:D

Move it into bad beats

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 08:13 PM
:D

No beat, didn't get my chips in. Sauls so aggressive :D

Why aren't you playing Chester?

Chester
11-12-2007, 08:16 PM
I am at work, it is liberal with its internet usage but i think playing poker would push the boundaries slightly.

I realise you didn´t put your chips in it was the massive shove that made me smile

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 08:19 PM
My work place is the same :)

Yup, I didn't even have a chance to continuation bet ;)

iamanuplander
11-12-2007, 08:43 PM
PokerStars Game #13796538317: Tournament #70016829, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/11 - 15:38:38 (ET)
Table '70016829 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 9 Byrne (1130 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (860 in chips)
Seat 3: kevkev187 (1545 in chips)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (785 in chips)
Seat 5: timmagnus (2865 in chips)
Seat 8: anup returns (1815 in chips)
timmagnus: posts small blind 25
anup returns: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to anup returns [Jc Kc]
9 Byrne: folds
saul1664: folds
kevkev187: folds
NiceHitFish©: folds
timmagnus: calls 25
anup returns: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 4c 5c]
timmagnus: checks
anup returns: checks
*** TURN *** [9c 4c 5c] [Js]
timmagnus: bets 150
anup returns: calls 150
*** RIVER *** [9c 4c 5c Js] [Ad]
timmagnus: bets 250
anup returns: raises 400 to 650
timmagnus: folds
saul1664 said, "been a rock"
anup returns collected 900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board [9c 4c 5c Js Ad]
Seat 1: 9 Byrne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: saul1664 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: kevkev187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: timmagnus (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 8: anup returns (big blind) collected (900)

This is to kev im ashamed i gave my hand away lol

KevTheOptimist
11-12-2007, 08:55 PM
Go on Sam, stick it up....

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 08:57 PM
In which section?

J8 > A8 aipf. You've sent me on lifetilt. I'm off to grind. lol

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 08:58 PM
Just got back. Am up for a second game now if everyones up for it.

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 08:59 PM
iamanuplander where in Dulwich are you from?

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 09:01 PM
Haven't set it up as I'm grinding on Party now Sam. Will do one in the next few days mate :)

saul1664
11-12-2007, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PokerStars Game #13795848061: Tournament #70016829, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/11 - 15:06:19 (ET)
Table '70016829 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 9 Byrne (1490 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (1410 in chips)
Seat 3: kevkev187 (1735 in chips)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (1355 in chips)
Seat 5: timmagnus (1490 in chips)
Seat 8: anup returns (1520 in chips)
timmagnus: posts small blind 10
anup returns: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NiceHitFish© [Ks Ac]
9 Byrne: folds
saul1664: raises 60 to 80
kevkev187: folds
NiceHitFish©: raises 150 to 230
timmagnus: folds
anup returns: folds
saul1664: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [4h Tc Qc]
saul1664: bets 1180 and is all-in
NiceHitFish©: folds
9 Byrne said, "tahts value right there ;)"
NiceHitFish© said, "wtf?"
saul1664 collected 490 from pot
saul1664: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 490 | Rake 0
Board [4h Tc Qc]
Seat 1: 9 Byrne folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: saul1664 collected (490)
Seat 3: kevkev187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: NiceHitFish© (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: timmagnus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: anup returns (big blind) folded before Flop

You were dominated, and you pay to see ...

eaglesrus
11-12-2007, 09:01 PM
Good game all. Your soon all get up to the APAT standard soon :)!

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 09:10 PM
HU 4 ROLLZ? :D

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 09:10 PM
PS, Saul, sure I wasn't dominate PF ;)

David Amsalem
11-12-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Good game all. Your soon all get up to the APAT standard soon :)!

Just to use you as a benchmark, you play at these events, are you significantly "up"?

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 09:20 PM
No worries. GL grinding.

Strathclyde Eagle
11-12-2007, 09:39 PM
D'oh! Only just in and missed this.

Knackered anyway in fairness. Would probably play horrifically badly.

eaglesrus
11-12-2007, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Just to use you as a benchmark, you play at these events, are you significantly "up"?

Ive entered 3. Got to the last fourty in the first one (AK lost to AA), lost relatively early in the second and 15th in the 3rd.

Only therefore cashed in one. So I am £175 up at the moment. Though to be honest with you, it is the experience of playing at them which I like. The more you play, and the more you learn how people act in different situations.

Thinking of going down to the big slick on Thursday night for the £10 rebuy. Going to make a late decision.

Gav The Hamster
11-12-2007, 10:35 PM
apologies i couldnt make the tourney guys, who scooped the prize?

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 10:45 PM
Oh how I like people hitting 2 outers on me in 3 consecutive tournys!

Chester
11-12-2007, 10:53 PM
So what did you have Saul :)

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 11:18 PM
Sorry SE, will reply properly to PM tomorrow, just rechecked my office and actually running at 15.38 BB at 50NL and 9.15 overall. Just need to upload all Stars HH's!

Not sure who won, I think EaglesRUs. I lost AJ V Sauls 66 aipf when he was short then lost A8 v J8 obv. Zzzzzzzzzzztandard :D

SamTheOldGoat
11-12-2007, 11:18 PM
Saul wouldn't tell, he's too 'mysterious' ;)

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 11:26 PM
Was down to 200 chips early doors and came back to take down a 3 table SNG.

Chester
11-12-2007, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Saul wouldn't tell, he's too 'mysterious' ;)

I think he was playing vietcong style and go with the 63o as the likeliest hand

;)

samtheeagle
11-12-2007, 11:59 PM
So what time do the APAT phone lines open on saturday? I can't find it on there site. I take it that it'll be after the qualifiers, otherwise im struggling.

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 12:10 AM
No phone lines open. You can qualify in a Grosvenor casino this Saturday, online on Sat/Sun I think then online on the APAT website on the Mon or Tues. Just check APAT.COM.

New HSP up. BOOM

saul1664
12-12-2007, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Sorry SE, will reply properly to PM tomorrow, just rechecked my office and actually running at 15.38 BB at 50NL and 9.15 overall. Just need to upload all Stars HH's!

Not sure who won, I think EaglesRUs. I lost AJ V Sauls 66 aipf when he was short then lost A8 v J8 obv. Zzzzzzzzzzztandard :D

Then I pushed with K10 with remaining ten chips, more or less delighted to see KK on flop but less delighted to run into KA, and then I think it was over in the next couple of hands.

saul1664
12-12-2007, 12:35 AM
And I was distracted playing PLO H/L MTT at the same time, and got a good chip lead, but went card dead and lost half my stack before pushing all in with trip 10s on a 10 K 7 board, only to run into trip Kings that hadn't been raised pre-flop.

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 12:39 AM
Last hand of HSP is absolute gold. :)

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
iamanuplander where in Dulwich are you from?

I live on Upland Road which is off lordship lane in East Dulwich, hence

the name, so basically the poorer side of Dulwich lol. And Ureself Sam?

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 09:30 AM
Game #4580708763: Hold'em NL (£0.50/£1) - 2007/12/12 - 09:18:59 (UK)
Table "Alka" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Ant040689 (£95.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Ianj25121 (£43.23 in chips)
Seat 3: Bollsdeep (£55.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Martsim (£13.61 in chips)
Seat 5: And061256 (£12.78 in chips)
Seat 6: Deron0702 (£50.88 in chips)
Bollsdeep: posts small blind £0.50
Martsim: posts big blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [As Kc]
And061256: folds
Deron0702: folds
Ant040689: calls £1
Ianj25121: calls £1
Bollsdeep: folds
Martsim: raises to £13.61 and is all-in
Ant040689: calls £12.61
Ianj25121: folds
----- FLOP ----- [Jh 9h 8d]
----- TURN ----- [Jh 9h 8d][Jd]
----- RIVER ----- [Jh 9h 8d Jd][Th]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Martsim: shows [Td 9d] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Tens, Nine high)
Ant040689: shows [As Kc] (A Pair of Jacks, Ace high)
Martsim collected £27.32 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £28.72 Main pot £27.32 Rake £1.40
Board [Jh 9h 8d Jd Th]
Seat 1: Ant040689 showed [As Kc] and lost with A Pair of Jacks, Ace high
Seat 2: Ianj25121 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Bollsdeep (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Martsim (big blind) showed [Td 9d] and won (£27.32) with Two Pairs, Jacks and Tens, Nine high
Seat 5: And061256 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Deron0702 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Should have i have folded this? knowing i would probably be 60/40 with

a hand (as i was with this one) or easily 50/50. What would a grinder

do? I am playing grinder like in most other situations but was i blinded

by the AK here?

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 09:31 AM
and what about if he had me covered in chips? normally if he did have me covered its an automatic fold.

samtheeagle
12-12-2007, 09:42 AM
Your playing cash. You shouldnt be taking much notice of stack sizes. If you think you've got the best hand you call like you did in this case.
noone folds AK there.

samtheeagle
12-12-2007, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Last hand of HSP is absolute gold. :)

Just shows what a loose table image can do for you.

samtheeagle
12-12-2007, 09:44 AM
http://www.cpfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10323~1188180,00.html
?

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 09:44 AM
i lost a £350 pot in the same situation as above not meaning for this to

be a bad beat story, just to explain why in the future i am seriously

thinking of folding AK there.

samtheeagle
12-12-2007, 09:45 AM
All in preflop 350 quid in a 50/1 game?

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 09:58 AM
I've lost with AK the last 7 times I've played it...Annoyingly 4-5 of them times I've been reraised all-in and called. Been ahead or 50/50 preflop everytime as well.

* Apologies for moaning about this *

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 09:59 AM
Poo :( Missed last nights game on here .


When is there likely to be another one ?

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
http://www.cpfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10323~1188180,00.html
?

Interesting.

My apologies if this is a stupid question but what is a cash bar facility ?

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
i lost a £350 pot in the same situation as above not meaning for this to

be a bad beat story, just to explain why in the future i am seriously

thinking of folding AK there.

What, AK, and the flop coming Q 10 2 or something?! Please tell me how the hand played out for you to lose £350!

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Interesting.

My apologies if this is a stupid question but what is a cash bar facility ?
You can use cash to buy drinks at the bar?

I'll sort another one whenever CS. Maybe people will want to play tomorrow night for a game or I'll do one in advance for next week so numbers can be greater :)

Hope someone goes to play at Palace, tournament report if you do ;)

Eagle Of Cray
12-12-2007, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Interesting.

My apologies if this is a stupid question but what is a cash bar facility ?

I've got a feeling it's one of those places where you give someone some cash and they give you a drink.

samtheeagle
12-12-2007, 10:31 AM
Anyone played a super turbo before?
Blinds went up every minute!
The big blind was bigger then my stack before i saw a picture card!
Was only $1 buyin though, thought i'd see what the carnage was about.
Eventually pushed with 8,10 suited and had 7 callers!

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 10:37 AM
Sam, you seen the 'all in or fold' tournament before on Ladbrokes. Literally you get one chip. :D

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
I've got a feeling it's one of those places where you give someone some cash and they give you a drink.

So it was a stupid question then :D

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Sam, you seen the 'all in or fold' tournament before on Ladbrokes. Literally you get one chip. :D

I've played them . Pure gambling :D

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 10:58 AM
Speaking of turbo's I'm loving the 90 player Sng deepstack KO tournies on full tilt.

3000 starting chips and good blind structure means you can afford to be patient and if you do get a hand the actions normally there because people want the KO bonus.

People going all-in with 88's and A 10's is quite common.

citizen sane
12-12-2007, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat


I'll sort another one whenever CS. Maybe people will want to play tomorrow night for a game or I'll do one in advance for next week so numbers can be greater :)

Can't play tomorrow but next week is cool If theres a bit of notice :p

Gav The Hamster
12-12-2007, 11:06 AM
iamanuplander, what site do you use that plays in £ ?

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 11:39 AM
No probs CS, Will post up something in hte next couple of days so everyone has some sort of notice :) There were 6 of us last night, not bad for such late notice!

Can't you play on William Hill as £?

samtheeagle
12-12-2007, 01:03 PM
********WARNING BADBEAT STORY***********

5K guarenteed on Titan.
Felt like I was playing some really good stuff,
Second in chips.
Firstly make big raise from button with QQ\
1 caller, flop comes down J 4 2
He raises so I push all in.
He flips AJ and river ace.
Then 5 hands later pick up QQ again on BB
4 callers only got 10 BB so push all in.
Same bloke says "fancy getting fished again?" and makes the call.
He Flips over 3,7 and flops trips!
Game over right on the bubble!
--------------------------------

oz_da II
12-12-2007, 01:24 PM
Put it in the appropriate thread, please.

KevTheOptimist
12-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Probably Will Hill Gav...

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
What, AK, and the flop coming Q 10 2 or something?! Please tell me how the hand played out for you to lose £350!

I was playing in a £2/£5 room and went in with £300 which is a medium

sort of stack as £500 is the max. I had AK and someone who was being

a bit rowdy with his £175 stack looking for a double up or bust really

was going all in very often and the table normally folded for him. Then i

wake up with AK and know i have him beat he pushes all in again

everyone folds around to me and he shows 109 and hits a 10 on the

flop to secure a £350 pot the exact same thing happened to me this

morning as i had up but only for a £30 pot. The odds were 60/40 in my

favour so not clear favourite so i suppose i can't complain too much

about a bad beat cos i class it as not being a bad beat really.


And Gav i play on William Hill, the best place in my eyes for cash games, if you can afford the odd guy getting lucky on you now and again you often do get lunatics. and they are the main reason why i only started with £240 in my account last week and i got it up to £3000 up until last night where i got unlucky with AK against 109 so not too bad but down to £2500 nevertheless. I know this segment should be in the brags section oz apologies. But just trying to tell you guys where the fishes are playing :)

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
********WARNING BADBEAT STORY***********

5K guarenteed on Titan.
Felt like I was playing some really good stuff,
Second in chips.
Firstly make big raise from button with QQ\
1 caller, flop comes down J 4 2
He raises so I push all in.
He flips AJ and river ace.
Then 5 hands later pick up QQ again on BB
4 callers only got 10 BB so push all in.
Same bloke says "fancy getting fished again?" and makes the call.
He Flips over 3,7 and flops trips!
Game over right on the bubble!
--------------------------------

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Bad beat forum ftw!

Chester
12-12-2007, 02:28 PM
Not really taking off is it :D

oz_da II
12-12-2007, 02:29 PM
You'd think it was difficult...

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 03:13 PM
Yer, you would. It's just boring, Zzzzzzzzzzz

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 03:14 PM
I'd MUCH rather see a pot where someone feels they played it well, not just a big pot, one with a thin value bet on the river etc than bad beat junk.

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I'd MUCH rather see a pot where someone feels they played it well, not just a big pot, one with a thin value bet on the river etc than bad beat junk.

Your right but i had to call with AK to a lunatic in that case. i was

hoping he had an Ace Queen but werent to be. Cash games are deadly

to be tilting and thats what i do when i get unlucky so in the future im

leaving a table as soon as i am steaming about anything. Generally Love

playing cash games especially when your winning.

SamTheOldGoat
12-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Yup, I agree with you, I'd make the call all day long if you've seen his maniac image.

If I lose a few buy ins after the obvious reload I'll just play a couple of SNG's to 'lose steam' or switch off the laptop.

How does everyone else deal with a bad session>?

Gav The Hamster
12-12-2007, 03:53 PM
Tilt and lose a load more

I'm not joking either.

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 04:03 PM
Last night i did exactly what Gav described above. Doesn't feel good

but love the fact that it exists because you can take advantage of it

with the tilters giving you gifts. Im only new to this game so it will take

a while for me to build up some sort of disregard for money because

when im like that, i could take the bad beats and be like a machine

never tilting. So then your leaving ureslef a good chance to be up from

then on.

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 05:30 PM
Game #4584005663: €1200 Guaranteed (ID6054121) €20+€2 - Hold'em NL (150/300) - 2007/12/12 - 17:20:57 (UK)
Table "6054121 - 2" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Jul190413 (3450 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr_skeer (3773 in chips)
Seat 3: Thrice778 (9430 in chips)
Seat 4: Ant040689 (7852 in chips)
Seat 5: badboy100 (7391 in chips)
Seat 7: Leea2909 (6851 in chips)
badboy100: posts the ante 25
Leea2909: posts the ante 25
Jul190413: posts the ante 25
Mr_skeer: posts the ante 25
Thrice778: posts the ante 25
Ant040689: posts the ante 25
badboy100: posts small blind 150
Leea2909: posts big blind 300
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [9c Ah]
Jul190413: folds
Mr_skeer: folds
Thrice778: folds
Ant040689: raises to 900
badboy100: folds
Leea2909: calls 600
----- FLOP ----- [6c Tc 4d]
Leea2909: bets 1200
Ant040689: raises to 6927 and is all-in
Leea2909: is all-in 4726
Returned uncalled bets 1,001 to Ant040689
----- TURN ----- [6c Tc 4d][3h]
----- RIVER ----- [6c Tc 4d 3h][Kc]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ant040689: shows [9c Ah] (High Card Ace)
Leea2909: shows [Kd 6d] (Two Pairs, Kings and Sixes, Ten high)
Leea2909 collected 13952 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 13952 Main pot 13952 Rake 0
Board [6c Tc 4d 3h Kc]
Seat 1: Jul190413 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mr_skeer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Thrice778 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Ant040689 (button) showed [9c Ah] and lost with High Card Ace
Seat 5: badboy100 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Leea2909 (big blind) showed [Kd 6d] and won (13952) with Two Pairs, Kings and Sixes, Ten high

This hurt lol, but what can i say its the way i play. I try not to rhyme but i do it all the time...

Chester
12-12-2007, 05:37 PM
That does not even qualify for the bad beats thread.

I am not sure which is worse your shove or their call although their call is dire surely

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 05:52 PM
It was a bluff plain and simple and she knew i was at it and made a brilliant call. Fair play to her she made a masterclass call. This was on the bubble as well i was hoping i wud take advantage of rocks wanting the money but picked on the wrong person. Weren't surprised she called with so little as well.

saul1664
12-12-2007, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
and what about if he had me covered in chips? normally if he did have me covered its an automatic fold.

Depends how you value AK. I will usually fold to an all in raise from a small stack because a) there is no value to call, if I am all in I want the whole of someones stack not a pile of crap and b) they are more likely to be calling with a pocket pair at least and I really don't want to lose to 22 with AK. However if I had raised significantly pre-flop and then called all in I would be calling as I would be fairly pot committed.

saul1664
12-12-2007, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
It was a bluff plain and simple and she knew i was at it and made a brilliant call. Fair play to her she made a masterclass call. This was on the bubble as well i was hoping i wud take advantage of rocks wanting the money but picked on the wrong person. Weren't surprised she called with so little as well.

3x BB preflop raise screams standard Ax, followed by push on flop, especially if you had been caught with AK etc before, quite easy to shove with a bit of the flop.

saul1664
12-12-2007, 09:10 PM
What are you tourney pros doing on the re-raise on the turn here...

*********** # 12 **************
PokerStars Game #13816541417: Tournament #69509728, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/12/12 - 15:31:46 (ET)
Table '69509728 83' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: wolfwoll (4580 in chips)
Seat 2: Hoti04 (3270 in chips)
Seat 3: stenne1 (3150 in chips)
Seat 4: Michele6012 (14500 in chips)
Seat 5: saul1664 (4110 in chips)
Seat 6: rsparr (4830 in chips)
Hoti04: posts small blind 75
stenne1: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kd Qd]
Michele6012: folds
saul1664: raises 300 to 450
rsparr: calls 450
wolfwoll: folds
Hoti04: folds
stenne1: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Qs]
saul1664: bets 450
rsparr: calls 450
*** TURN *** [7d Qc Qs] [Ac]
saul1664: bets 450
rsparr: raises 1650 to 2100
saul1664: raises 1110 to 3210 and is all-in
rsparr: calls 1110
*** RIVER *** [7d Qc Qs Ac] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Kd Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
rsparr: shows [As Ad] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)
rsparr collected 8445 from pot
Yurik_Ross is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8445 | Rake 0
Board [7d Qc Qs Ac 2s]
Seat 1: wolfwoll (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hoti04 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: stenne1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Michele6012 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: saul1664 showed [Kd Qd] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: rsparr showed [As Ad] and won (8445) with a full house, Aces full of Queens

saul1664
12-12-2007, 09:42 PM
And this one for Omaha, was in 1st place since 1st hand and in the top ten all the way. Have big chip leader to my left. Top 18 get paid, I am 9th of 20, am I folding at all once this flop hits, knowing he's drawing to flush or straight.

Transcript for your last 1 games requested by saul1664 (saul1664@hotmail.com)
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #13817824861: Tournament #69509732, $10+$1 Omaha Pot Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/12/12 - 16:35:22 (ET)
Table '69509732 5' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: fuyopame (19710 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 (11334 in chips)
Seat 4: Pete 99 (33233 in chips)
Seat 5: amberbock05 (13235 in chips)
Seat 6: thopra (10782 in chips)
Seat 7: knoedelspezi (2550 in chips)
Seat 8: DON_PP (21370 in chips)
thopra: posts small blind 200
knoedelspezi: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qh 2c Ah Ad]
DON_PP: folds
fuyopame: folds
saul1664: raises 1000 to 1400
Pete 99: raises 1800 to 3200
amberbock05: folds
thopra: folds
knoedelspezi: folds
saul1664: calls 1800
*** FLOP *** [Js 8s Ac]
saul1664: bets 7000
Pete 99: raises 7000 to 14000
saul1664: calls 1134 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Js 8s Ac] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Js 8s Ac Qs] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Qh 2c Ah Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
Pete 99: shows [Ks Th 9s 9d] (a flush, King high)
Pete 99 collected 23268 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23268 | Rake 0
Board [Js 8s Ac Qs 6c]
Seat 1: fuyopame folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: saul1664 showed [Qh 2c Ah Ad] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: Pete 99 showed [Ks Th 9s 9d] and won (23268) with a flush, King high
Seat 5: amberbock05 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: thopra (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: knoedelspezi (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DON_PP folded before Flop (didn't bet)

iamanuplander
12-12-2007, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What are you tourney pros doing on the re-raise on the turn here...

*********** # 12 **************
PokerStars Game #13816541417: Tournament #69509728, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/12/12 - 15:31:46 (ET)
Table '69509728 83' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: wolfwoll (4580 in chips)
Seat 2: Hoti04 (3270 in chips)
Seat 3: stenne1 (3150 in chips)
Seat 4: Michele6012 (14500 in chips)
Seat 5: saul1664 (4110 in chips)
Seat 6: rsparr (4830 in chips)
Hoti04: posts small blind 75
stenne1: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kd Qd]
Michele6012: folds
saul1664: raises 300 to 450
rsparr: calls 450
wolfwoll: folds
Hoti04: folds
stenne1: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Qs]
saul1664: bets 450
rsparr: calls 450
*** TURN *** [7d Qc Qs] [Ac]
saul1664: bets 450
rsparr: raises 1650 to 2100
saul1664: raises 1110 to 3210 and is all-in
rsparr: calls 1110
*** RIVER *** [7d Qc Qs Ac] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Kd Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
rsparr: shows [As Ad] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)
rsparr collected 8445 from pot
Yurik_Ross is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8445 | Rake 0
Board [7d Qc Qs Ac 2s]
Seat 1: wolfwoll (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hoti04 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: stenne1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Michele6012 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: saul1664 showed [Kd Qd] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: rsparr showed [As Ad] and won (8445) with a full house, Aces full of Queens

To be honest with you i wouldn't have raised with KQ suited from early position like u did even though it was just a min raise because as soon as you open a pot people with monsters obviously don't have to so can conceal the strength of their hands by just calling that raise knowing it is likely not many people at all are going to call after u made the initial raise.

u shud have called and let sumone bet out and u may have seen his strength in whatever bet he came out with.

after the flop there was nothing u cud do.

was busy while writing this so i hope it made sense.

saul1664
12-12-2007, 10:18 PM
Yes, I know, but was taking significant amount of pots down with pre flop raises, and it was 6 handed, obviously not doing that on a 9 handed table. If I'd have put him on AA, would have shoved all in on flop.

Eagle Of Cray
13-12-2007, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
And this one for Omaha, was in 1st place since 1st hand and in the top ten all the way. Have big chip leader to my left. Top 18 get paid, I am 9th of 20,

Saul I'm sorry but its posts like this that confuse the hell out of people. And just don't make any sense whatsoever. I take you saying 'was in 1st place since 1st hand' as meaning you was in 1st place since the 1st hand, yet within 20 or so words you have contradicted this statement three times :confused: Firstly by saying you was in the top ten all the way then by saying you have the big chip leader to your left and lastly by saying you were 9th out of 20. I know people get pissed off with your bad beat stories but posting the sort of nonsense as above IMO is much worse, certainly considering as you have shown many times previously you do know what you're talking about.

saul1664
13-12-2007, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Saul I'm sorry but its posts like this that confuse the hell out of people. And just don't make any sense whatsoever. I take you saying 'was in 1st place since 1st hand' as meaning you was in 1st place since the 1st hand, yet within 20 or so words you have contradicted this statement three times :confused: Firstly by saying you was in the top ten all the way then by saying you have the big chip leader to your left and lastly by saying you were 9th out of 20. I know people get pissed off with your bad beat stories but posting the sort of nonsense as above IMO is much worse, certainly considering as you have shown many times previously you do know what you're talking about.

I was all in first hand which put me in 1st place and was never out of the top 10, when I played this hand I was 9th out of 20th, with cash out at 18th place, I had about 10K, chip leader to my left had 40K. It's the hand I want analysed, not my position in the tournament.

Chester
13-12-2007, 02:12 AM
Watching Annette play again the girl is a dream. How she can play with a million people asking her shit and have a conversation with them i have no idea.

A big leak in my game is my ability to steal blinds, what are people's tips/articles or books to read?

Probably linked to one or vice versa is wanting to improve my positional play too

se1eagle
13-12-2007, 02:21 AM
Blind Stealing:-

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Number=5348855
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Number=6073737

Positional play:-

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=4901122&page=0&vc=1
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ssplnlpoker&Number=8698320&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#Post8698320

Huge Anthology of cool stuff:-

http://www.pr0crast.com/2+2.NL.Anthology.v1.htm

Chester
13-12-2007, 02:27 AM
:love:

Does anyone else find reading 2+2 nearly impossible it is so badly laid out?

Thanks for the links though will print them of at work and then look like i am working hard for the rest of the day!

Chester
13-12-2007, 02:33 AM
Does anyone else have a slight perversion about playing 72 when there has been no raise?

I am suprisingly successful with it. Obviously 99% of the time i am out of there

oz_da II
13-12-2007, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Chester
:love:

Does anyone else find reading 2+2 nearly impossible it is so badly laid out?


Not really, I prefer the old format to the recent new one though.

Eagle Of Cray
13-12-2007, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
I was all in first hand which put me in 1st place and was never out of the top 10, when I played this hand I was 9th out of 20th, with cash out at 18th place, I had about 10K, chip leader to my left had 40K. It's the hand I want analysed, not my position in the tournament.

Thats all fine and dandy but clearly you weren't 'in 1st place since the 1st hand' as to me that statement signifies to me you were CL all the way which isn't the case as you go on to say. Anyway I wasn't meaning to have a go it just didn't make any sense to me.

samtheeagle
13-12-2007, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Put it in the appropriate thread, please.

I would have thought it was more of a why does someone make a call when they know 100% there behind just because they have a grudge, rather then a badbeat.

citizen sane
13-12-2007, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Does anyone else have a slight perversion about playing 72 when there has been no raise?

I am suprisingly successful with it. Obviously 99% of the time i am out of there

No. Its a horrible hand.

But if I have chips I like playing suited hands like 8 6 / 9 7 / 6 4 .

citizen sane
13-12-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat


How does everyone else deal with a bad session>?

Nowadays I switch the laptop off.

I implode completely when on tilt and end up losing a big chunk of my bankroll because bizarrely the more I tilt the more I play higher and higher levels.

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 09:55 AM
That is DEFINITELY not a good thing!

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Does anyone else have a slight perversion about playing 72 when there has been no raise?

I am suprisingly successful with it. Obviously 99% of the time i am out of there

Not me unless it's a tourny and I'm stealing! Don't steal in cash games. Not bothered about the extra few dollars!

iamanuplander
13-12-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Nowadays I switch the laptop off.

I implode completely when on tilt and end up losing a big chunk of my bankroll because bizarrely the more I tilt the more I play higher and higher levels.

I have done this in the past. You do it because you want to make up for the money you lost in the lower limits quickly, but because you are tilting and generally out of your depth anyway in the higher limits, you lose more. Been there and done that with limits that i rele shouldn't have been playing.

iamanuplander
13-12-2007, 10:27 AM
By the way on the topic of blind stealing i see it as a perfect tool for a huge stack to just raise any two cards to a tight table or a table thats holding out for a payout, because normally they will fold to you even tho they know your bluffing. So if you keep up the raising the of the blinds every hand you will get people not calling your raises but instead angrily re raising all in, to which you would normally fold. But if you kept this up there is going to be a time when the re raises all in will get a little frequent from the others and u know they are doing it with just ace high or a low pair so this is when you have them. All the chips you have put on the line to get this image will come into effect when you start wiping people out.

This happenes when you actually wake up with a monster like AA and go by the routine of raising it up as you normally do then you get a re raiser all in then BAM! you have just taken them out as they were getting lary with A4. Its sweet when it comes together like this. And normally your chip stack would increase anyway to ppl folding to your raises every hand even though your folding to their re raises all in.

One thing i would say is not to do this in early position start doing it from middle position onwards. Hope you don't find this strategy too loopy, because i love it and has served me well.

There is a routine u shud go by as well if u get flat called by a single person with u raising with rubbish but thats another essay and i think i have bored you enough hehe.

saul1664
13-12-2007, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Thats all fine and dandy but clearly you weren't 'in 1st place since the 1st hand' as to me that statement signifies to me you were CL all the way which isn't the case as you go on to say. Anyway I wasn't meaning to have a go it just didn't make any sense to me.

I was typing out of frustration after just going out which is why it probably doesn't make much sense. He has 33K before the hand, so raising him from my position can only be done with AA, which is why the large pot bet with trip aces was supposed to protect my hand, he has risked a 3rd of his stack on a draw which is quite a lot. I presume if I check he bets the pot anyway?

oz_da II
13-12-2007, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
I would have thought it was more of a why does someone make a call when they know 100% there behind just because they have a grudge, rather then a badbeat.

That can be classed as variance, then... ;)

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
I was typing out of frustration after just going out which is why it probably doesn't make much sense. He has 33K before the hand, so raising him from my position can only be done with AA, which is why the large pot bet with trip aces was supposed to protect my hand, he has risked a 3rd of his stack on a draw which is quite a lot. I presume if I check he bets the pot anyway?

You've done nothing wrong, played the hand fine, got unlucky.

NEXXXXXXXXXXXXT!

Chester
13-12-2007, 01:42 PM
:D

This thread has become very amusing recently.

Anyway im With STOG on this one and am going back to reading my articles

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 01:51 PM
Not sure on EXACT stats but Saul wasn't a HUGE fave anyway. Spade without board pairing, queen, running 9's ;)

Good times. YOu read the strategy archive on P5's Chester?

Chester
13-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Yep wasted more of works ink, time and paper printing them out and having a read through. Need to go back and have a reread of them though.

Did you see that Annette won the UB bounty yesterday of a 20 minute phone lesson from Annie Duke :D

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 02:13 PM
Yer, I was on P5's when they were playing and checking progress! LOL@ phone lesson=GOLD.

http://www.pocketfives.com/F39E3C7E-4161-4045-A731-BD1538989AC9.aspx

The BR one is QUALITY. Will copy and paste it up on here, if people don't want to read the best piece ever, don't :D

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 02:16 PM
Annette knocked her out of the WSOP Europe too!

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 04:00 PM
BBS SNG ON STARS TONIGHT? $10 buy in....?

KevTheOptimist
13-12-2007, 05:06 PM
STOG - If the timing is right, I may make it....

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 05:52 PM
You choose time, I don't mind :)

iamanuplander
13-12-2007, 06:22 PM
try 9pm (16.00 EST) cos ppl seem to be more available then. im good for any time and have taken ure advice on not slow playing monsters Sam so i shud be alright tonight :p

saul1664
13-12-2007, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Not sure on EXACT stats but Saul wasn't a HUGE fave anyway. Spade without board pairing, queen, running 9's ;)

Good times. YOu read the strategy archive on P5's Chester?

I wonder if I was a favourite at all, which is why I am asking how I should have played the hand. He has up and down straight draw, any spade and consecutive 9s. That's 9 outs for the flush, 6 for the up and down straight and 1 more for the consecutive 9s, which is 16, whilst I have 9 for full house and 1 for quads once he has hit.

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
try 9pm (16.00 EST) cos ppl seem to be more available then. im good for any time and have taken ure advice on not slow playing monsters Sam so i shud be alright tonight :p
:D

Gl, the structures SO slow as well, good times :)

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 06:56 PM
Tournament set up on POKERSTARS.

$10 buy in, kicks off at 9pm our time.

Tourny-Private. 4pm EST. Password=eagles. Hope some of you can make it otehrwise we are playing V. short ;)

se1eagle
13-12-2007, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
I wonder if I was a favourite at all, which is why I am asking how I should have played the hand. He has up and down straight draw, any spade and consecutive 9s. That's 9 outs for the flush, 6 for the up and down straight and 1 more for the consecutive 9s, which is 16, whilst I have 9 for full house and 1 for quads once he has hit.

You are a 60%/40% favourite on the flop, which is a standard edge for Omaha. Even when he makes his flush on the turn you still have 22.5% equity. Think you played it fine - Omaha just very high variance.

Stats at:-

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/unrolledSimulate.jsp?g=oh&b=Js+8s+Ac+Qs+6c&h1=Qh+2c+Ah+Ad&h2=Ks+Th+9s+9d&h3=&h4=&h5=

Strathclyde Eagle
13-12-2007, 07:57 PM
Taxi service for the Mrs tonight, will have to give this one a miss I'm afraid.

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 08:00 PM
Need one more player otherwise it won't run HU ;)

SamTheOldGoat
13-12-2007, 08:26 PM
Anup, hope you don't mind. I've unregistered as there are only 2 of us and I want to go to the gym! I'll organise one with plenty of advance for next week when I come back. Sorry pal.

iamanuplander
13-12-2007, 08:29 PM
no worries. need to get the notice in next time or the same thing will happen again have a good workout.

gsaunders22
13-12-2007, 09:04 PM
Playing APAT Croatian open on Blue Sq - 127 players, very slow to start...5000 chips and blinds are 10/20! Im on 1st break.

Played in South American open last week and came 15th out of 124. Only $10 to enter so prize pool is not great but much prefer the structure to the normal BSq ones. $10 to enter with about 600 players!

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 01:04 AM
Came 8th...pleased to make FT but went in short stacked and didn't find many hands.

Oh well Polish open next Thursday

Billyd
14-12-2007, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Tournament set up on POKERSTARS.

$10 buy in, kicks off at 9pm our time.

Tourny-Private. 4pm EST. Password=eagles. Hope some of you can make it otehrwise we are playing V. short ;)

sorry only just seen otherwise i would have played, next time pm me to remind me! thanks

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 09:06 AM
No probs Billy.

Right, I'll organise one for next Tuesday evening, that's 4 days in advance if anyone can make it or pencil your name down?

GSaunders, what does the APAT online actually do? Do you get points for the POY or something like that?

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 09:17 AM
Sam, copied from APAT website:

APAT Online Series
APAT Online is a series of International tournaments open to APAT members of every nationality*. A 5,000 chip deepstack will enable creative play throughout, and each event offers excellent value for the $10 + $1 buy in.

In addition, the top three in each APAT Online Series event will secure Gold, Silver or Bronze medals.

The top nine players will also earn APAT ranking points with leading players gaining the chance to play for England, Scotland, Wales or Ireland in the APAT International Team Championship at Grosvenor Brighton at the end of the season.

The winner of the rankings will win an expenses paid entry to the Grosvenor UK Poker Tour Grand Final.

samtheeagle
14-12-2007, 09:27 AM
Sorry missed it last night, Circle line pub crawl got very messy.
Next tuesday it is.

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 09:29 AM
Good times chap, well done on your cash last night, what did you get? $70 or so? :)

Just got this from Big Slick for those who are interested:
Hi Sam,



Firstly, can I just check you are a member of the club already? If so, not a problem at all, if you are not then please could you forward me your details (exact details needed can be found on our webpage) in an email?



We can of course cater to you and your friends if you would like to play a private cash game or tournament - of course it can be from when we open (6pm) onwards. So ideally you wanted to play a private game and then play the tournament after, correct? We can arrange different options etc for the cost of our dealer, plus different packages including food and drink etc. If you would like to email me with exactly what you and your friends were looking for, I will see if I can cook something up!



Best wishes and Merry Christmas,



Ashleigh Ace

BiG SLiCK Club Secretary

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Sorry missed it last night, Circle line pub crawl got very messy.
Next tuesday it is.

Sweet, was OK, went to the gym anyway :D

citizen sane
14-12-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat


Right, I'll organise one for next Tuesday evening, that's 4 days in advance if anyone can make it or pencil your name down?



Put me down for this mate - got the day off tuesday.

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 09:52 AM
Not even that much Sam, about $40, not really worth shouting about unless you win the thing to be honest!

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 09:53 AM
Still well done. Good for ranking points and a cash is a cash, how long was the tourny for $30 profit!

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Still well done. Good for ranking points and a cash is a cash, how long was the tourny for $30 profit!

Too long!!

Started at 8pm and I left the table at about 12:45am :eek:

You start with so many chips (5000) and the blinds are too small 10/20. By the time the 1st break came we had only lost about 15 players.

Improves after that with the blinds going up quite quickly.

Might give the Satelite ago this weekend for the Cardiff tourney, you going?

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 10:07 AM
Yes mate, I will buy in on Mon or Tues when it's about. Quite quick on the keyboard so will just hope to get details in quickly enough :) Defo a good weekend and Cardiff is a great place. Been here for a few months now and hardly played at the casino one or two donkaments and a bit of cash to great success. It appears the poker players down here don't have any value of money! The tourny schedules suck, literally £10/£20 freezeouts so a waste of time. Hopefully see you down here next month mate, I used to live in Cheltenham :)

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 10:16 AM
Why the move mate? Where in Chelt?

Moved to Glos when I was about 14 (26 now), used to live in Sussex, hence supporting Palace. Not many places to play round here though so I usually make the trip to the Gala in Bristol or Grosvenor in Walsall.

Been to Cardiff a few times, normally for Palace games but have had a few nights out there! Nice city.

What size Freezeouts do you like to play? TBH £10/£20 fo suit my bank roll at the moment, due to the new addition to our family this year!

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 10:17 AM
Ooohh just realised Palace are at Wolves on the Saturday of the APAT Cardiff! Hmmm......

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 10:24 AM
Good times mate. I grew up in Sussex as well, Father's side of the family are from Beckenham/Bromley :) I lived all over Chelt as I did my degree there. Firstly in Oxstalls in Longlevens, then Stanwick Gardens, then Granville St, then Hanover St (horrible area but had an enclosed garage backing onto my house so that was good). My girlfriend lives in Cardiff, studied here, has a career here, house etc. Moved here in September and love it. I don't live with the gf but just down the road.

As you say no games in Chelt, we used to have the odd home game but I got excited when they were going to build a casino in 'the brewery'. Alas!

Did you come down for the game a few weeks ago? It was my first trip to Ninian, but prefer to go to away games rather than at Selhurst!

I'll happily play £10/20/50r and freezeouts from 50+. With the lower freezeouts, the structure is generally poor as is the play. I prefer to play against good players live! I've managed to build my roll through live tournaments/cash games and grinding back online as I aim to be married next year so ££ is out for house/wedding/rings etc! EEEK!

Congrats on the new addition, is that a little one/wife/pet? :D

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Ooohh just realised Palace are at Wolves on the Saturday of the APAT Cardiff! Hmmm......

Come down here, will be a mini Palace meet up hopefully :)

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Good times mate. I grew up in Sussex as well, Father's side of the family are from Beckenham/Bromley :) I lived all over Chelt as I did my degree there. Firstly in Oxstalls in Longlevens, then Stanwick Gardens, then Granville St, then Hanover St (horrible area but had an enclosed garage backing onto my house so that was good). My girlfriend lives in Cardiff, studied here, has a career here, house etc. Moved here in September and love it. I don't live with the gf but just down the road.

As you say no games in Chelt, we used to have the odd home game but I got excited when they were going to build a casino in 'the brewery'. Alas!

Did you come down for the game a few weeks ago? It was my first trip to Ninian, but prefer to go to away games rather than at Selhurst!

I'll happily play £10/20/50r and freezeouts from 50+. With the lower freezeouts, the structure is generally poor as is the play. I prefer to play against good players live! I've managed to build my roll through live tournaments/cash games and grinding back online as I aim to be married next year so ££ is out for house/wedding/rings etc! EEEK!

Congrats on the new addition, is that a little one/wife/pet? :D


LOL - Little one, Spencer born in March. Wife was last year!

I was born in Shoreham and lived in Lancing and Hassocks. I live in near Robinswood (some would say Matson!), Longlevens is nice but expensive!

Shame the Casino was never built! That would be dangerous though, don't think the wife would ever see me! Gala do some bigger freezeouts, ever been down there? Great setup and dealers.

Yes mate went to the game, only just made the KO though! I think that was my 3rd or 4th trip there and yes i'm the same, much prefer the away games!

Getting Wed eh? We got married last June, had the reception at the Thistle in Chelt. Good luck with that and Congrats, whens the big day?

Pitter patter of tiny feet after that then??

Grant

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 10:47 AM
Ahhh, congratulations!

I was born in Cuckfield and grew up in Newick nr HH/Uckfield. Not sure where Robinswood is but there was a halls at Uni called it :)

No, never been to Gala. You talking about the one in Bristol or is there one in Cardiff that has poker?!

Was a good game down in Ninian, well OK, especially when the pen was given and it was put through Schmeichael, damn it was hit hard it looked like!

Getting married, well yes, hopefully, speak to her Father next week as I live 3 hours away from him. I have a ring. V. nervous! But yes, it should be in September 08 if she says yes ;)

Pitter patter of tiny feet for sure but not for a few years, I'm will only be 24 when married and want to do a fair bit more travelling :)
Originally posted by gsaunders22

LOL - Little one, Spencer born in March. Wife was last year!

I was born in Shoreham and lived in Lancing and Hassocks. I live in near Robinswood (some would say Matson!), Longlevens is nice but expensive!

Shame the Casino was never built! That would be dangerous though, don't think the wife would ever see me! Gala do some bigger freezeouts, ever been down there? Great setup and dealers.

Yes mate went to the game, only just made the KO though! I think that was my 3rd or 4th trip there and yes i'm the same, much prefer the away games!

Getting Wed eh? We got married last June, had the reception at the Thistle in Chelt. Good luck with that and Congrats, whens the big day?

Pitter patter of tiny feet after that then??

Grant

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 10:57 AM
The one at Bristol, not sure if Cardiff have one? The Grosvenor in Bristol is poor!

The abuse Schmeichael got was quality!

You'll be fine! Nervous now!?, wait till the day! The speech was the worst bit for me, not really one for speech's so was more nervous about that. If you are the same, I recommend you do them before you eat!

Don't blame you for waiting, get as much done as you can! Love Spencer to bits and wouldn't change him for the world but in hindsight, maybe would have been nice to enjoy married life for a couple of years first - it really does change your life!!

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 11:06 AM
I'll have a look into it and find out, I'll let you know what the score is.

Yer, nervous now and I'm not even halfway there!

Lifechanging for the better I'm sure? Think 'KEV THE OPTIMIST' gets married in the next couple of months too!

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 11:15 AM
Yes, its great!.....most of the time!! Just not at 2am! Sleeps through now though so we get our evenings back.

I will try and play in one of your SNG's on Stars, just need to set up an account.

SamTheOldGoat
14-12-2007, 11:25 AM
Great. Hope to see you then. Works Christmas party today at 2pm. Having pre drinks in the board room at 11.30am. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Chester
14-12-2007, 12:50 PM
Is this now a dating thread as well?

;)

Please tell me the name at the end of that email was a wind up!

Ashleigh Ace

gsaunders22
14-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Is this now a dating thread as well?

;)

Please tell me the name at the end of that email was a wind up!

Ashleigh Ace

:hmph:

Name ??

eaglesrus
14-12-2007, 10:28 PM
Off on my ski trip in a few hours. have a good weekend all.

Will try to buy in on tuesday night for the APAT. Hopefully the French computers will have a fast connection!

samtheeagle
14-12-2007, 11:32 PM
FOLD?
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PokerStars Game #13861411979: Tournament #70367655, $10.00+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/14 - 18:22:56 (ET)
Table '70367655 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hurebritt (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: $kika64$ (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Hudon (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: sambhygreen (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: runninnice (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: tuco91 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: steffer2 (1870 in chips)
Seat 8: wholin (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Juder33 (1160 in chips)
Hudon: posts small blind 10
sambhygreen: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Ah Jh]
runninnice: calls 20
tuco91: calls 20
steffer2: calls 20
wholin: raises 100 to 120
Juder33: folds
hurebritt: folds
$kika64$: calls 120
Hudon: calls 110
sambhygreen: calls 100
runninnice: calls 100
tuco91: calls 100
steffer2: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [As Ad Th]
Hudon said, "lol"
Hudon: checks
sambhygreen: checks
runninnice: checks
tuco91: checks
steffer2: checks
wholin: bets 120
$kika64$: raises 240 to 360
Hudon: folds
sambhygreen: calls 360
runninnice: folds
tuco91: folds
steffer2: folds
wholin: raises 1020 to 1380 and is all-in
$kika64$: folds
sambhygreen: ????

Gav The Hamster
14-12-2007, 11:37 PM
STT ? certainly not folding if it is. No doubt he turns over AK, but you cant really lay AJ down

Paul Romain
15-12-2007, 12:12 AM
Hi guys, sorry been a bit quiet since got out of hospital on Wednesday. Havent really felt like playing poker and only fired up the laptop this afternoon for the first time. My OPR rank has slipped a bit in my absence!! Going to have to get back in the swing of things quickly!

Have I missed much?

Paul Romain
15-12-2007, 12:14 AM
Oh ...the AJ hand Sam. I'm outta there.

saul1664
15-12-2007, 12:29 AM
Difficult one. I smell FH. But knowing the crap people push with on PS could be anything.

Chester
15-12-2007, 12:32 AM
Good to have you back Paul, will rail you for a while this evening.

Hope the op went well

Chester
15-12-2007, 01:08 AM
1 place to go for a positive cash...

Chester
15-12-2007, 01:11 AM
I am a jinx, what was the last hand?

Paul Romain
15-12-2007, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Chester
I am a jinx, what was the last hand?

Nice welcome back for me there! Was odds on to back into the cash and then it got checked round to me in big blind and I hit set 10s - i debated just pushing but I thought one of the others was bound to bet out and I would get some extra dosh. I doubt it would have made any difference but it all went tits up on me...

Oh ...and this is not a bad beat story! I was asked what the hand was and here it is!



Full Tilt Poker Game #4502322415: $14,000 KO Guarantee (33550037), Table 10 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:09:48 ET - 2007/12/14
Seat 1: clotilda (20,693)
Seat 2: MP OH (9,874)
Seat 3: jim5432 (4,227)
Seat 4: EaaSmiley (4,814)
Seat 5: djmonkey (2,453)
Seat 6: AllinRom (16,018)
Seat 8: hero worship (53,523)
clotilda antes 100
MP OH antes 100
jim5432 antes 100
EaaSmiley antes 100
djmonkey antes 100
AllinRom antes 100
hero worship antes 100
MP OH posts the small blind of 400
jim5432 posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Qd Td]
EaaSmiley folds
djmonkey folds
AllinRom folds
hero worship calls 800
clotilda calls 800
MP OH calls 400
AllinRom has been disconnected
AllinRom has reconnected
jim5432 checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts Jh Th]
MP OH checks
jim5432 checks
hero worship bets 3,200
clotilda calls 3,200
MP OH folds
jim5432 raises to 3,327, and is all in
hero worship calls 127
clotilda calls 127
*** TURN *** [Ts Jh Th] [Jd]
hero worship checks
clotilda checks
*** RIVER *** [Ts Jh Th Jd] [3h]
hero worship checks
clotilda has 15 seconds left to act
clotilda bets 7,200
hero worship has 15 seconds left to act
hero worship folds
Uncalled bet of 7,200 returned to clotilda
*** SHOW DOWN ***
clotilda shows [5c Jc] a full house, Jacks full of Tens
jim5432 mucks
clotilda wins the pot (13,881) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
jim5432 stands up

StuNick
15-12-2007, 01:57 AM
anyone playing the $6500 freezeout double stack that started about 11pm?

Micky Droy
15-12-2007, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Put me down for this mate - got the day off tuesday.

Me too if it's in the evening UK time! Don't have a log in at Pokerstars but will get one for a BBS game.

citizen sane
15-12-2007, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
FOLD?



Yes. Preflop I would have folded.

Looking at the chips stacks the table hasn't done one orbit yet, and on a $10 STT you usually get loose play by some when the blinds are low. Hence the seven callers with a 5 X BB raise. I wouldn't have bothered with an AJ to be honest.

You didn't have position so your hoping to get a good flop anyway, which you did but with six other players in the pot its likely that someone was holding one of the four hands that beat you at this point. So post flop I think you have to fold anyway if someone pushes.

What did happen ?

samtheeagle
15-12-2007, 12:03 PM
It was suited and there were so many people in the pot I felt i had some value pre flop.
I folded, putting him on AK or AQ. He actually flopped 10's full.

saul1664
15-12-2007, 08:45 PM
good smell

Paul Romain
15-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Chip leader in 4.5k KO on fulltilt approaching cash bubble...

Strathclyde Eagle
15-12-2007, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
It was suited and there were so many people in the pot I felt i had some value pre flop.
I folded, putting him on AK or AQ. He actually flopped 10's full.
Class fold in my opinion.

Paul Romain
15-12-2007, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Chip leader in 4.5k KO on fulltilt approaching cash bubble...

not a bad day all in all...just cashed in the stars $50k as well; satellited into the $500k warmup on stars tomorrow for $12 earlier and reached a double shootout final table satellite to the Stars Million - missed a seat but trebled money so not all bad news there. just trying to get into the FullTilt $1M tomorrow at the moment...

saul1664
15-12-2007, 11:21 PM
whats a double shootout

Paul Romain
15-12-2007, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
whats a double shootout

Effectively you have to play two SnGs on the trot - instead of the tables collapsing as people get knocked out each table plays to a finish and the winners then form the final table

samtheeagle
15-12-2007, 11:43 PM
Qualified for the sunday million from a double shootout earlier actually, dont think im going to play it though. Getting some good return from the low stake multi table SNG's actually.Multi screening playing about five $10 games at once.

samtheeagle
15-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Sitting 20th in stars 25k guarenteed as well with 300 left so fingers crossed.

oz_da II
15-12-2007, 11:44 PM
A set of snowmen!
Nice treble up. ;)

samtheeagle
15-12-2007, 11:50 PM
I say that but Kings just beaten by 6,8! urgh!

samtheeagle
16-12-2007, 12:00 AM
You really do have to love the terrible play on stars at times though. Quadroupled up with Aces, all in pre flop called by 10Q, 22 and A7!

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Chip leader in 4.5k KO on fulltilt approaching cash bubble...

Final table.

(bubbled in the satellite for Fulltilt Million tomorrow - second time in two days!)

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Final table.

(bubbled in the satellite for Fulltilt Million tomorrow - second time in two days!)

What's loctutus2002 on? Check it down...

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 12:15 AM
Nice time for aces. :p

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Nice time for aces. :p

Nice time to have AKs behind!

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:28 AM
This is a very close Final table - only one out so far

samtheeagle
16-12-2007, 12:36 AM
Im coming to the rail. GL

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 12:38 AM
What a strange hand that was...

The popular locutus2002 gets lucky on the turn...

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
What a strange hand that was...

The popular locutus2002 gets lucky on the turn...

I didnt come out of that too well considering three players all in...

Full Tilt Poker Game #4513663647: $4,500 KO Guarantee (33627699), Table 12 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:35:42 ET - 2007/12/15
Seat 1: jm0012 (388,045)
Seat 2: Kduwb (107,722)
Seat 3: Alabel (102,692)
Seat 4: locutus2002 (55,568)
Seat 5: jim5432 (57,982)
Seat 6: ATTHOM (17,331)
Seat 7: doctorhowser (166,486)
Seat 8: sae9317 (96,174)
jm0012 antes 1,000
Kduwb antes 1,000
Alabel antes 1,000
locutus2002 antes 1,000
jim5432 antes 1,000
ATTHOM antes 1,000
doctorhowser antes 1,000
sae9317 antes 1,000
locutus2002 posts the small blind of 4,000
jim5432 posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [7h 9h]
ATTHOM raises to 16,331, and is all in
doctorhowser folds
sae9317 folds
jm0012 calls 16,331
Kduwb calls 16,331
Alabel calls 16,331
locutus2002 raises to 54,568, and is all in
jim5432 folds
jm0012 calls 38,237
Kduwb has 15 seconds left to act
Kduwb: @&@ hole
Kduwb folds
Alabel has 15 seconds left to act
jm0012: not a clue
Alabel calls 38,237
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 3d]
jm0012 checks
Alabel has 15 seconds left to act
Alabel bets 47,124, and is all in
jm0012 calls 47,124
Alabel shows [Jh Jd]
locutus2002 shows [Qh Ah]
ATTHOM shows [Qd Jc]
jm0012 shows [8s 8d]
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 3d] [As]
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 3d As] [7s]
Alabel shows two pair, Jacks and Threes
jm0012 shows two pair, Eights and Threes
Alabel wins side pot #2 (94,248) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
locutus2002 shows two pair, Aces and Threes
locutus2002 wins side pot #1 (114,711) with two pair, Aces and Threes
ATTHOM shows a pair of Threes
locutus2002 wins the main pot (97,655) with two pair, Aces and Threes
ATTHOM stands up

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 12:42 AM
Final table starting to heat up, PR.

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Final table starting to heat up, PR.

yeah...I need a hand here now or just try and sneak one place further up

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:47 AM
think thats my lot now!

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 12:48 AM
Hehehe, locutus2002 just made you some more cash on the river.
Brave call for him (more like stupid call) with ATo.

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 12:50 AM
Unlucky ;)
Had some outs on the river.

Well played. :p

samtheeagle
16-12-2007, 12:50 AM
Pretty card dead at the end there. At least you managed to sneak up a few places.

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:51 AM
$650 not bad. Now to concentrate on the $60k Ive been playing at the same time!

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Pretty card dead at the end there. At least you managed to sneak up a few places.

Yeah, I didnt get much to play with - mucked a couple of A-rags utg cos they always get dominated. maybe i should play them but whenever i do....

Still, amazing how often people make you money while you sit on your hands!

Paul Romain
16-12-2007, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Now to concentrate on the $60k Ive been playing at the same time!

Now to go to bed :D

ozeagle
16-12-2007, 01:08 AM
oz_da, clear out your PM's

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 01:19 AM
done

citizen sane
16-12-2007, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
It was suited and there were so many people in the pot I felt i had some value pre flop.
I folded, putting him on AK or AQ. He actually flopped 10's full.

Fair enough.

Good fold though, its easy on reflection to make those decisions but at the time, especially with some of the donuts who play that level on SnG its a tough call.

citizen sane
16-12-2007, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
.Multi screening playing about five $10 games at once.

How do you find that ? I struggle with multi-tabling STT's because I haven't got the time on any table to work players out.

Do you play a more ' mechanical ' game, only playing certain hands, etc ?

samtheeagle
16-12-2007, 06:22 PM
Just playing really tight preflop and very aggressivly after. Normally double up through a few donks and then play position from there attacking the medium stacks when reaching the bubble. Its paid off pretty well recently despite some horrible beats. The amount of players who will have a look at any flop out of position and then fold when a raise of about 2/3 of the pot is made on the flop is unreal.

samtheeagle
16-12-2007, 06:43 PM
How do people play AK in early position?
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This is from a low stakes MTT

PokerStars Game #13900026191: Tournament #70563999, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/16 - 13:33:36 (ET)
Table '70563999 5' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: thePsychoPat (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: ericduong (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: andy4320 (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: suncream10 (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: mrfivo (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: sambhygreen (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: ssuussii (1140 in chips)
Seat 8: SOCKS OFF (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Andreas30NRW (1940 in chips)
andy4320: posts small blind 10
suncream10: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [As Kh]
mrfivo: folds
sambhygreen: raises 60 to 80
ssuussii: folds
SOCKS OFF: folds
Andreas30NRW: raises 180 to 260
thePsychoPat: folds
ericduong: folds
andy4320: folds
suncream10: folds
sambhygreen:

What do people do here?
Flat call or push all in or raise risking your whole stack in such an early stage of a tourny knowing you could well be in a race?

Gav The Hamster
16-12-2007, 07:00 PM
flat call and see if i connect on the flop

saul1664
16-12-2007, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
How do people play AK in early position?
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This is from a low stakes MTT

PokerStars Game #13900026191: Tournament #70563999, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/16 - 13:33:36 (ET)
Table '70563999 5' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: thePsychoPat (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: ericduong (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: andy4320 (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: suncream10 (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: mrfivo (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: sambhygreen (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: ssuussii (1140 in chips)
Seat 8: SOCKS OFF (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Andreas30NRW (1940 in chips)
andy4320: posts small blind 10
suncream10: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [As Kh]
mrfivo: folds
sambhygreen: raises 60 to 80
ssuussii: folds
SOCKS OFF: folds
Andreas30NRW: raises 180 to 260
thePsychoPat: folds
ericduong: folds
andy4320: folds
suncream10: folds
sambhygreen:

What do people do here?
Flat call or push all in or raise risking your whole stack in such an early stage of a tourny knowing you could well be in a race?

Raise to 4 x BB and fold to reraise. If you are calling a reraise, you are almost certainly going to have to commit your whole stack on the flop or turn and don't want to do that on a drawing hand, plus if flop comes down AJ10 or similar you are going to struggle to put them on a hand, could have reraised with A 10 A J. Prefer to play much tighter early STT stages and then push with these hands once BB go up to a reasonable level. Wouldn't like to risk it in a MTT, did shove with AK to a reraise early doors in MTT and found I was up against 22 which held up and I loathe going out to low pairs.

Strathclyde Eagle
16-12-2007, 08:26 PM
It doesn't seem as if any two people play AK the same way. The more I play these days it seems the less people value it, just calling pre-flop and then pushing if they hit on the flop. Personally I'm seeing the common sense in this, as if you do commit a lot to it you still need help on the flop.

Like all things, it would probably help if I played it that way. :clown:

citizen sane
16-12-2007, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
How do people play AK in early position?
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This is from a low stakes MTT



This early in a $6 MTT I push all-in every time, theres a good chance you'll be up against an AQ/AJ or mid to low pair. Its a race for chips and I'm prepared to gamble with AK to acculumate them early on.


In a higher buy-in i'll flat call or maybe muck and look for a better spot later on .

In a STT i'll flat call and have a look at the flop.

What did you do ?

citizen sane
16-12-2007, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just playing really tight preflop and very aggressivly after. Normally double up through a few donks and then play position from there attacking the medium stacks when reaching the bubble. Its paid off pretty well recently despite some horrible beats. The amount of players who will have a look at any flop out of position and then fold when a raise of about 2/3 of the pot is made on the flop is unreal.

Do you find time a problem when you get down to 3/4 players and your involved in a lot more pots and are playing a bigger variety of starting hands ?

Good point about calling stations. I look to get heads up with these type of players post-flop because its a good way of stack building, especially if you've been card dead for a while.

Although if someone is making a lot of these same size continuation bets I will reraise sometimes to push them off the pot. If their a solid player they won't call unless they have a really strong hand. This move has back fired on me before though when Ive picked the wrong time to push :(

saul1664
16-12-2007, 10:41 PM
Once it gets to 4 players left in a STT on PS, people think A2 and A3 is the nuts and push their whole stack in every time so its fairly easy to hit the money.

saul1664
16-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Are you always pushing in on made hands against draws. I have 10 K (one club) and flop comes 9 J Q for made straight with two clubs. I have 2K, small stack (just under 1K) pushes all in and put him on flush draw. Are you always calling or folding?

SamTheOldGoat
16-12-2007, 11:02 PM
always calling. Why wouldn't when your a favourite? Not like it's a 50/50!

SamTheOldGoat
16-12-2007, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
flat call and see if i connect on the flop

As gav says. If smash the flop, probably check/raise the lot in :)

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:05 PM
You have got to be having a laugh ...

PokerStars Game #13906115324: Tournament #70583232, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/12/16 - 18:01:11 (ET)
Table '70583232 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Naterater80 (6260 in chips)
Seat 2: caimen1 (4695 in chips)
Seat 3: Nogin.Vena (4205 in chips)
Seat 4: RU?UKEN?NUTS (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: outlawwiz (1820 in chips)
Seat 6: WoodPaneling (1925 in chips)
Seat 7: Cognosco (7010 in chips)
Seat 8: Fundo_7 (3870 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (7715 in chips)
Naterater80: posts the ante 25
caimen1: posts the ante 25
Nogin.Vena: posts the ante 25
RU?UKEN?NUTS: posts the ante 25
outlawwiz: posts the ante 25
WoodPaneling: posts the ante 25
Cognosco: posts the ante 25
Fundo_7: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
Fundo_7: posts small blind 200
saul1664: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [5h 8d]
Naterater80: raises 800 to 1200
caimen1: folds
Nogin.Vena: folds
RU?UKEN?NUTS: raises 1775 to 2975 and is all-in
outlawwiz: calls 1795 and is all-in
WoodPaneling: folds
Cognosco: folds
Fundo_7: folds
saul1664: folds
Naterater80: calls 1775
*** FLOP *** [7c 6h 8s]
*** TURN *** [7c 6h 8s] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [7c 6h 8s 9h] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Naterater80: shows [Qc Qs] (a straight, Six to Ten)
RU?UKEN?NUTS: shows [9c 9s] (a straight, Six to Ten)
Naterater80 collected 1180 from side pot
RU?UKEN?NUTS collected 1180 from side pot
outlawwiz: shows [Jh Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
outlawwiz collected 6210 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8570 Main pot 6210. Side pot 2360. | Rake 0
Board [7c 6h 8s 9h Th]
Seat 1: Naterater80 showed [Qc Qs] and won (1180) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 2: caimen1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Nogin.Vena folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: RU?UKEN?NUTS showed [9c 9s] and won (1180) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 5: outlawwiz showed [Jh Ah] and won (6210) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: WoodPaneling folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Cognosco (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Fundo_7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: saul1664 (big blind) folded before Flop

SamTheOldGoat
16-12-2007, 11:06 PM
PS, can't make Tuesday now as going for 'mince pies and mulled wine'.

How does Thursday sound?

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:11 PM
This one is more difficult. Call or fold ...

PokerStars Game #13906232738: Tournament #70583232, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/12/16 - 18:06:25 (ET)
Table '70583232 3' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Naterater80 (5315 in chips)
Seat 2: caimen1 (3920 in chips)
Seat 3: Nogin.Vena (2750 in chips)
Seat 4: RU?UKEN?NUTS (1360 in chips)
Seat 5: outlawwiz (5060 in chips)
Seat 6: WoodPaneling (1975 in chips)
Seat 7: Cognosco (8860 in chips)
Seat 8: Fundo_7 (3495 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (7765 in chips)
Naterater80: posts the ante 25
caimen1: posts the ante 25
Nogin.Vena: posts the ante 25
RU?UKEN?NUTS: posts the ante 25
outlawwiz: posts the ante 25
WoodPaneling: posts the ante 25
Cognosco: posts the ante 25
Fundo_7: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
WoodPaneling: posts small blind 200
Cognosco: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qh Ah]
Fundo_7: folds
saul1664: raises 400 to 800
Naterater80: folds
caimen1: folds
Nogin.Vena: folds
RU?UKEN?NUTS: folds
outlawwiz: folds
WoodPaneling: folds
Cognosco: raises 400 to 1200
saul1664: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6d Ad 3s]
Cognosco: bets 7200
saul1664 said, "going to fold"
saul1664 said, "AQ"
saul1664: folds
Cognosco collected 2825 from pot
Cognosco: doesn't show hand
Naterater80 said, "??"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2825 | Rake 0
Board [6d Ad 3s]
Seat 1: Naterater80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: caimen1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Nogin.Vena folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: RU?UKEN?NUTS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: outlawwiz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WoodPaneling (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Cognosco (big blind) collected (2825)
Seat 8: Fundo_7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: saul1664 folded on the Flop

SamTheOldGoat
16-12-2007, 11:14 PM
I probably call and hope he's drawing. Donkaments!!!!!!11

I defo don't tell him my actual hand though! Why did you do that Saul out of curiosity?

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
always calling. Why wouldn't when your a favourite? Not like it's a 50/50!

Wow, who's folding??? :eek:

Even if you're worried about a flush draw they'll have TPTK or a set or even bluffing plenty of times.

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:20 PM
I folded. Why risk your whole tournament as chip leader unless he has me beaten. Shows that I have a tight table image. Might make people more likely to raise me all in thinking weakness when I have a hand. 3 hands later I get AA and my pre flop raise gets pushed all in and I am up against QQ and now am chip leader.

SamTheOldGoat
16-12-2007, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Wow, who's folding??? :eek:

Even if you're worried about a flush draw they'll have TPTK or a set or even bluffing plenty of times.

Not me! Saul posed the question.

I make the call there Saul and hope he misses his 9 outs ;)

oz_da II
16-12-2007, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
This one is more difficult. Call or fold ...


Why call the pre-flop re-raise if you're going to fold when you hit your ace? I test him out with a raise post flop.

Strange hand with all the minimum raises.

SamTheOldGoat
16-12-2007, 11:22 PM
PS, your a rack Saul.

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:35 PM
Whoops, knocked myself out in 4th pretty carelessly. Were you still railing STOG.

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PS, your a rack Saul.

A rack?

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Why call the pre-flop re-raise if you're going to fold when you hit your ace? I test him out with a raise post flop.

Strange hand with all the minimum raises.

It was the first move he made. If I'd have seen any of his other hands he called with before this one, I would have called straight away but hindsight is a great thing.

saul1664
16-12-2007, 11:50 PM
Massive Omaha carnage ...

PokerStars Game #13907108515: Tournament #70592204, $10+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/16 - 18:47:05 (ET)
Table '70592204 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: SAS4740 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Cremona1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: wskeeter (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: GacisBack203 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: EMAKI (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: brtjones1040 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: saul1664 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: tah-5555 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: tr1616 (1500 in chips)
Cremona1: posts small blind 10
wskeeter: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qh Ad 2h 5c]
GacisBack203: calls 20
EMAKI: calls 20
brtjones1040: folds
saul1664: calls 20
tah-5555: calls 20
tr1616: calls 20
SAS4740: folds
Cremona1: calls 10
wskeeter: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8h]
Cremona1: bets 40
wskeeter: calls 40
GacisBack203: folds
EMAKI: calls 40
saul1664: raises 300 to 340
tah-5555: calls 340
tr1616: folds
Cremona1: calls 300
wskeeter: calls 300
EMAKI: folds
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8h] [3h]
Cremona1: checks
wskeeter: checks
saul1664: bets 1140 and is all-in
tah-5555: calls 1140 and is all-in
Cremona1: folds
wskeeter: calls 1140 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8h 3h] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wskeeter: shows [3s 7d 4c 7c] (HI: three of a kind, Sevens)
saul1664: shows [Qh Ad 2h 5c] (HI: a flush, Queen high; LO: 7,4,3,2,A)
tah-5555: shows [2s Ts 5h 6h] (HI: a flush, Jack high; LO: 7,5,4,3,2)
saul1664 collected 2480 from pot
saul1664 collected 2480 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4960 | Rake 0
Board [4s 7h 8h 3h Jh]
Seat 1: SAS4740 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Cremona1 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: wskeeter (big blind) showed [3s 7d 4c 7c] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: GacisBack203 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: EMAKI folded on the Flop
Seat 6: brtjones1040 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: saul1664 showed [Qh Ad 2h 5c] and won (4960) with HI: a flush, Queen high; LO: 7,4,3,2,A
Seat 8: tah-5555 showed [2s Ts 5h 6h] and lost with HI: a flush, Jack high; LO: 7,5,4,3,2
Seat 9: tr1616 folded on the Flop

se1eagle
17-12-2007, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
How do people play AK in early position?


Playing cash games I obviously openraise, and I often 4-bet shove with AK preflop if re-raised. Preflop AK is a monster hand with tons of equity against every hand except AA and KK - and even against KK it has 30% equity. It's way too weak to fold AK preflop to a reraise, but if you call a reraise and miss the flop your equity VS a PP is shot to pieces and it's very difficult to play, particularly out of position in an inflated pot. Therefore I think it's best to shove preflop when you still have the equity. More often than not when you are 3-bet preflop you're going to be up against AQ+, 99+.

We can often get 99-JJ to fold - sometimes even QQ. If we are called we are a marginal underdog against these hands, but sometimes we'll be called by a hand we dominate. Every time we induce a fold we pick up enough free $$ to more than compensate for the times we end up all-in vs AA or KK - and it also allows us to get paid off when we shove with AA or KK preflop more often as we're shoving a much wider range.

samtheeagle
17-12-2007, 02:26 AM
I was never going to fold my AK it was whether I flat call and hit the flop or push all in.
I flat called, missed the flop and folded to a raise.

SamTheOldGoat
17-12-2007, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Playing cash games I obviously openraise, and I often 4-bet shove with AK preflop if re-raised. Preflop AK is a monster hand with tons of equity against every hand except AA and KK - and even against KK it has 30% equity. It's way too weak to fold AK preflop to a reraise, but if you call a reraise and miss the flop your equity VS a PP is shot to pieces and it's very difficult to play, particularly out of position in an inflated pot. Therefore I think it's best to shove preflop when you still have the equity. More often than not when you are 3-bet preflop you're going to be up against AQ+, 99+.

We can often get 99-JJ to fold - sometimes even QQ. If we are called we are a marginal underdog against these hands, but sometimes we'll be called by a hand we dominate. Every time we induce a fold we pick up enough free $$ to more than compensate for the times we end up all-in vs AA or KK - and it also allows us to get paid off when we shove with AA or KK preflop more often as we're shoving a much wider range.

One of the best posts of recent times SE, top stuff SE.

PS, SE, the filezilla worked, and every HH datamined on PP is now in my PokerOffice. I thank you Sir, let me assure you, the beers are on me in Cardiff if you can make it :)

SamTheOldGoat
17-12-2007, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
I was never going to fold my AK it was whether I flat call and hit the flop or push all in.
I flat called, missed the flop and folded to a raise.

How I'd play it generally. Defo not fold to the reraise though as Saul suggested. That reraise if in position is generally be made with MOST PP's, A10+, KQ imo. :)

SamTheOldGoat
17-12-2007, 06:04 PM
APAT Cardiff qualifying at 8pm on BSQ tonight. 20 buy in iirc, think $$ :)

Micky Droy
17-12-2007, 11:01 PM
Peeps - where is the tourney on Thursday? Which site?

samtheeagle
18-12-2007, 12:02 AM
Pokerstars. Think it starts at 9.

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
APAT Cardiff qualifying at 8pm on BSQ tonight. 20 buy in iirc, think $$ :)

Was CL, lost internet connection at mine and nothing at gf's.


AWGAEOHGOAEGOP

samtheeagle
18-12-2007, 11:11 AM
Ouch

gsaunders22
18-12-2007, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Was CL, lost internet connection at mine and nothing at gf's.


AWGAEOHGOAEGOP

I played, came 24th (134 players....13 seats) :sob:

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 02:11 PM
Where did I come in the end chap? Couldn't get online until this morning. GOing to do the clickfest tonight I think :)

gsaunders22
18-12-2007, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Where did I come in the end chap? Couldn't get online until this morning. GOing to do the clickfest tonight I think :)

What is your alias?

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 02:43 PM
ShipTheLootASAP

Gav The Hamster
18-12-2007, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
ShipTheLootASAP

:p

gsaunders22
18-12-2007, 02:49 PM
LOL...I remember you, you were on my first table...pokernuts07. You re-raised my bet on the 1st hand.......how weird is that ??? Small world!

What did you have?

I got up to about 18k early on, was 2nd in chips. Got lucky with KK v AA v AJs.

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 04:22 PM
Yes, remember it well. I had KK the first hand....you? :) I also mentioned someone got outplayed when his KK lost to KJ (flush) remember that?

Yer, remember you ended up all in on flop of J high, got lucky on turn. :)

Where did I blind out too then? I tried to get back online for an hour and a bit! Will attempt to click in tonight, will you?

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
:p

Cheers mate :D

gsaunders22
18-12-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yes, remember it well. I had KK the first hand....you? :) I also mentioned someone got outplayed when his KK lost to KJ (flush) remember that?

Yer, remember you ended up all in on flop of J high, got lucky on turn. :)

Where did I blind out too then? I tried to get back online for an hour and a bit! Will attempt to click in tonight, will you?

AQ Thought i'd get an early raise in! Pleased to know you had kk :)

Don't remember the KK v KJ hand, wasn't me involved was it?? I was not happy with my play at all yesterday, was so weak on a couple of hands. At least I realise where I went wrong I suppose. My mind set is all wrong, I seem to accumulate alot of chips then get too afraid to loose them.

Yeah had to call with KK on J high flop, had a strong feeling he had AA but you can't lay down there ;)

Think you lasted quite late on, probably 40 odd, is there anyway of checking? Would it still be on blsq or APAT website?

Probably won't bother mate tbh, supposed to be down the boozer tonight so looks like it's wolves away on the 12th:(

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 04:54 PM
I thought you were A10-AQ tbh and if you had made a play you were getting a call so good pass :)

I agree about the KK hand although I didn't watch the preflop action so not sure how many times it was repopped. Horrific AJ call though.

LOL@ 40th, I was CL at one point, in top 10 I think until I got DC, now have to shell out another £75 to play it! zZZZZZZZZZZZ ;)

Enjoy Wolves away then, if you don't make the boozer, definitely try and get in mate :)

gsaunders22
18-12-2007, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I thought you were A10-AQ tbh and if you had made a play you were getting a call so good pass :)

I agree about the KK hand although I didn't watch the preflop action so not sure how many times it was repopped. Horrific AJ call though.

LOL@ 40th, I was CL at one point, in top 10 I think until I got DC, now have to shell out another £75 to play it! zZZZZZZZZZZZ ;)

Enjoy Wolves away then, if you don't make the boozer, definitely try and get in mate :)

Will do mate. GL with the clickfest! :D

Billyd
18-12-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Playing cash games I obviously openraise, and I often 4-bet shove with AK preflop if re-raised. Preflop AK is a monster hand with tons of equity against every hand except AA and KK - and even against KK it has 30% equity. It's way too weak to fold AK preflop to a reraise, but if you call a reraise and miss the flop your equity VS a PP is shot to pieces and it's very difficult to play, particularly out of position in an inflated pot. Therefore I think it's best to shove preflop when you still have the equity. More often than not when you are 3-bet preflop you're going to be up against AQ+, 99+.

We can often get 99-JJ to fold - sometimes even QQ. If we are called we are a marginal underdog against these hands, but sometimes we'll be called by a hand we dominate. Every time we induce a fold we pick up enough free $$ to more than compensate for the times we end up all-in vs AA or KK - and it also allows us to get paid off when we shove with AA or KK preflop more often as we're shoving a much wider range.

:p good post very much agree with this. I would say tho i would play it slightly less aggressive in cash than in sng or tourney

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Will do mate. GL with the clickfest! :D

Ty, got a 100% record, 2/2 so far! Hopefully see you for BBS game on Thursday!

Micky Droy
18-12-2007, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Pokerstars. Think it starts at 9.

Thanks - what's the buy in and how do we enter?