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SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 07:39 PM
I'll wack up instructions tomorrow Micky. Buy in will be $10 :)

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 08:59 PM
PMSL=GOLD

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d175/gabe333/dog7aa.jpg

samtheeagle
18-12-2007, 09:08 PM
Was straight in on the clickfest but had my wrong card which has no money in its account. My other debit card is in Brighton!

Chester
18-12-2007, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
PMSL=GOLD

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d175/gabe333/dog7aa.jpg

:D :D :D

My office are looking at me funny

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 09:10 PM
Everytime I look at it I laugh again. Tears!

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 09:12 PM
I used wrong card too Sam, had to find another and got in at 9.04, probs too late, booooooooo

eaglesrus
18-12-2007, 09:21 PM
Evening all.
logged in from France.loving my skiing.
anyway im num 16931283 so think i might be late.
though i do know the people that run it so hopeful.if you want me to ask on your behalf let me know and i will c what i can do:

saul1664
18-12-2007, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Ty, got a 100% record, 2/2 so far! Hopefully see you for BBS game on Thursday!

Going to enter as well. Can you cut and paste.

saul1664
18-12-2007, 10:50 PM
Anyone got any tactics for HORSE.

eaglesrus
18-12-2007, 10:51 PM
I am in.if you want any help let me know!

oz_da II
18-12-2007, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Anyone got any tactics for HORSE.

Get really good at Razz. :moo:

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
I am in.if you want any help let me know!

Not sure if I'm in yet pal, of course I want it if you can work some magic, PM me if necessary, Sam Harris :)

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 11:51 PM
EaglesRus- 4 mins past as got wrong card, did you email or get in in time?

Date & Time: 21:04 GMT, December 18, 2007
Description: Welsh Amateur Poker Championship
Amount: GBP 75.00
Transaction ID: 16931345



Saul, can I cut and paste what?

SamTheOldGoat
18-12-2007, 11:54 PM
I'M IN! YERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

saul1664
19-12-2007, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Get really good at Razz. :moo:

yes i'm terrible

saul1664
19-12-2007, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
EaglesRus- 4 mins past as got wrong card, did you email or get in in time?

Date & Time: 21:04 GMT, December 18, 2007
Description: Welsh Amateur Poker Championship
Amount: GBP 75.00
Transaction ID: 16931345



Saul, can I cut and paste what?

Card details. Thought it was tomorrow. Guess I'm not in then?

saul1664
19-12-2007, 12:29 AM
Whoops, a lot of abuse for this hand, anyone laying down though?

PokerStars Game #13949980069: Tournament #70318718, $3.00+$0.30 HORSE (Omaha Hi/Lo Limit) - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/12/18 - 19:15:27 (ET)
Table '70318718 31' 8-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 (3796 in chips)
Seat 2: raybo23 (3167 in chips)
Seat 3: jondeath (2023 in chips)
Seat 4: iamian27 (16 in chips)
Seat 5: Ossi82 (503 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: DJTWIZZLE1 (7023 in chips)
Seat 7: ozzy_aze (3430 in chips)
Seat 8: 4swans (14506 in chips)
4swans: posts small blind 75
saul1664: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [8h 8c 6c Qh]
iamian27 said, "man i had to block 4 swans ugly image"
raybo23: calls 150
jondeath: calls 150
iamian27: calls 16 and is all-in
Ossi82: folds
DJTWIZZLE1: calls 150
ozzy_aze: folds
4swans: raises 150 to 300
saul1664: calls 150
raybo23: calls 150
jondeath: calls 150
DJTWIZZLE1: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [9d 5s 8s]
4swans: bets 150
saul1664: raises 150 to 300
raybo23: calls 300
jondeath: calls 300
DJTWIZZLE1: folds
4swans: raises 150 to 450
saul1664: raises 150 to 600
Betting is capped
raybo23: calls 300
jondeath: calls 300
4swans: calls 150
*** TURN *** [9d 5s 8s] [9h]
4swans: bets 300
saul1664: raises 300 to 600
raybo23: folds
jondeath: raises 300 to 900
4swans: calls 600
saul1664: raises 300 to 1200
Betting is capped
jondeath: calls 223 and is all-in
4swans: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [9d 5s 8s 9h] [8d]
4swans: checks
saul1664: bets 300
4swans: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [8h 8c 6c Qh] (HI: four of a kind, Eights)
4swans: mucks hand
saul1664 collected 754 from side pot-2
jondeath: shows [Ah 5c 9s 4d] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Fives)
saul1664 collected 7189 from side pot-1
iamian27: mucks hand
jondeath said, "lky fk"
saul1664 collected 96 from main pot
No low hand qualified
tirckytrav is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8039 Main pot 96. Side pot-1 7189. Side pot-2 754. | Rake 0
Board [9d 5s 8s 9h 8d]
Seat 1: saul1664 (big blind) showed [8h 8c 6c Qh] and won (8039) with HI: four of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: raybo23 folded on the Turn
Seat 3: jondeath showed [Ah 5c 9s 4d] and lost with HI: a full house, Nines full of Fives
Seat 4: iamian27 mucked [As Th 3d 2s]
Seat 5: Ossi82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DJTWIZZLE1 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: ozzy_aze (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 4swans (small blind) mucked [Kd 6d Ac Kc]

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Card details. Thought it was tomorrow. Guess I'm not in then?

Yer, you missed it, it was last night.

Don't think you played the hi low hand badly. Was going to say iamian27 had a lovely drawing hand on the flop but then realised he had (16 in chips) :p

Dans the hi-lo guru, where is he?!?! :confused:

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 08:43 AM
Below is pocket fives' post of 2005 re. BR management. Thought I'd stick it up as yesterday Ant mentioned he was playing 25/50 with 14 buy ins, imo not 'safe' enough although some of you may like the gamble/danger, read it anyway, top read :)

Basic Bankroll Management
by Fox on 12/7/2005 14:53


This article is provided by pokerfox.net. If you like what you read we have a lot more just like it inside!

With the number of questions on the forums here at pocketfives about bankroll management, I thought some basic information about bankroll management was needed. This is an adaptation of an article from my website at www.pokerfox.net, and it is a good example of the kind of thing we do there.

It has occurred to me recently that many people have questions about bankroll management that aren't easily answered with just a simple number or a formula, so this article should give you some ideas about how to think about your bankroll for yourself. Hopefully this information will allow you to come up with a safe and effective bankroll strategy and prevent you from going broke.

I'll start with a few numbers for reference. These aren't exact numbers, but they are a good place to start, and for our purposes they will do just fine. Below there are three columns.

The numbers in the "Pro" column are for players who derive the majority of their income playing, and would be devastated financially if they lost their bankroll to a bad run of cards. Using these figures will yield a less than 1% chance of going broke over the course of a lifetime of play assuming that you are a solid winning player.

The numbers in the "Protected" column are for a bankroll that you are going to attempt to make a serious income from. If your bankroll will be tough to replace if you lose most of it then you should use these numbers as a starting point.

The "Unprotected" column is for people who are willing to play a little looser in an attempt to build a bankroll, and for those of you who could easily replace your bankroll if you were to lose it. Keep in mind that using these figures does yield a significant possibility of going broke or having to drop down levels if you get off to a rough start. An average winning player (if there is such a thing) would have a less than 10% chance of going broke if they use the unprotected number and don't remove any money from their bankroll until it is built up to a safer level. If you use the unprotected column as a long term guide, and pull money out any time you get significantly above that number, you will almost certainly go broke at some point.

PRO Protected UnProtected
Hold'em 550 Big Bets 400 Big Bets 200 Big Bets
NL Holdem 45 Buy Ins 25 Buy Ins 15 Buy Ins
SNG 65 Entries 45 Entries 20 Entries
MTT 200 Entries 100 Entries 40 Entries



Now that we have these numbers, I can teach you how to modify them and how to use them. The practical application of these numbers also requires a basic understanding of variance and what kinds of things affect it, so we'll discuss that first.

Variance is a term used to describe the ups and downs you experience in a situation where results can differ in the short term, from their average. It's also a nice way to describe a losing session.

Hatfield "How'd you do today Fox?"

Fox "Lots of variance."

Hatfield "How much are you stuck?"

Fox "About $600"

Lots of things can increase or decrease your variance. If you read my previous bankroll article on limit Hold Em then you have seen some of the factors in the formula I presented. I'll do my best to present them in order of importance.

Your win rate is the single biggest factor in determining the variance that directly affects your bankroll. A solid 2BB/100 winner in a limit Hold Em game is not likely to see a downswing of more than 300 big bets very often, and (if he is lucky) may not see one in ten years. If that same player moves up to a tougher game where he is only winning half a big bet per 100 hands, a downswing of 300 BB's could occur every year or two. Hit the books and improve your game, and your variance will decrease as well.

Your mental stability will also affect your variance a great deal. That 60 BB downturn will turn into a 200 BB losing streak if it affects your mental state, and a small losing session can turn into a serious beating if you let it put you on tilt instead of getting up from the game.

Your playing style will affect your variance as well, though usually in small chunks rather than large ones. A very loose aggressive player who is winning at the same rate as a tight solid player will see more small ups and downs. Using limit Hold Em as an example, the loose aggressive player, no matter how good he is, will see more 50 BB swings than a tight solid player. If loose aggressive gets you a higher win rate then you shouldn't change your style, you simply need a little larger bankroll and the ability to deal with frequent swings.

Your opponents playing style can also affect your variance. If your opponents are loose and aggressive, or simply loose and unbluffable, then your variance will rise slightly. This is somewhat offset by the fact that your overly loose opponents will be idiots, and your win rate will be higher in these games.

In multi-table tournaments the payout structure and the size of the field will have a huge affect on your variance. The larger the tournament is the less often you will make the top three where the big money is. Lots of misses, and the rare big win, is a perfect recipe for high variance. The numbers in the chart above assume an average field size of 200. In the very large tournament fields, with buy-ins below $30 online your variance will be quite high, though your win rate against the donkeys who populate those tournaments will help offset the huge field size.

In a very steep payout structure tournament like the OWNS tournament on UltimateBet the variance is so high that 500 entry fees might not be enough, even for a very good player. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the OWNS, it's a $50 rebuy tournament where the winner takes the whole prize pool, and it is often filled with excellent players. Scary.

Keep in mind also that the number in the chart above is assuming regular freeze out tournaments. If the tournament is a rebuy you have to assume at least four times the initial buy-in as a your actual investment. If you play a lot of rebuy tournaments it would be wise to count the number of rebuys and the add-ons for a few tournaments and come up with a good idea what your average investment really is for each tournament.

In a ring game the number of players has the opposite effect on variance. Playing shorthanded or heads up can increase your variance greatly because you are forced to play a looser and more aggressive style, and your opponents will usually play a little more reckless style as well. In ten handed games your long-term variance should be significantly lower.

Heads up sit and go tournaments are a variance monster all to themselves. Your win rate will have a massive effect on your variance in heads up play, and a player who is only winning 55% of his matches will have huge swings, while a really solid heads up player with a 70% win rate can get away with using numbers about twice the size of the regular SNG numbers in the chart above. The 55% player probably can't have a big enough bankroll no matter what he does; the variance is just too high.

That should give you a pretty good idea how high your variance is compared to most players and allow you to come up with a fairly accurate number that takes into account your personal variance, and the level of risk you are willing to take with your bankroll.
Now let's take a look at a few ideas for ways to take calculated risks without worrying too much about your bankroll disappearing.

A rolling bankroll is my own personal favorite. Pick a number that is when you will move up to the next level - we'll call it your ceiling - and a number at which you will have to move down a level because of a losing streak - we'll call that your floor. When you hit your ceiling you can move up a level, and when you hit your floor you must move down. Failing to move down immediately when you hit your floor is very risky; don't do it.

As an example If you a 10/20 player and using 350 big bets ($7,000) as your floor then you might want to play until you have 450 big bets at the next level (15/30) before you move up in case you hit a losing streak right away at your new level. 450 big bets at 15/30 is $13,500 so that would be your ceiling at 10/20. Once you move up levels to 15/30 your new floor would be 350 x $30 or $10,500.

Taking a shot at a big payday is nearly impossible to resist on occasion, especially for tournament players. If done judiciously, and in circumstances where your win rate is likely to be very high, this won't increase your variance too terribly.

For ring game players I recommend that you never move up more than one level, and that you set yourself a specific number that you can lose at the higher level before you end your little adventure. This number should be less than 10% of your bankroll, and it is not a practice that you should engage in with any frequency. I will occasionally step up a level when I see one of my favorite fish at a table, but otherwise it's just too risky. Losing 5% of my bankroll ruins my day entirely and takes me a week to win back, making the risk worthwhile only if I can expect a much higher than average win rate at the higher table.

For tournament players taking a shot can be playing a tournament with an overlay even if is twice your usual buy-in, or playing a few satellites to win your way in to a big tournament. The BoDog 100k guarantee is a good example of a place to take an occasional shot. The weak competition, combined with a large overlay, make this tournament very profitable even if it is a little above your usual comfort level. No matter what your reasons are for taking a shot at a larger tournament, the buy-in should never exceed 5% of your bankroll, and these excursions into deeper water should remain few and far between.

Hopefully this article gives you all the tools you need to understand bankroll management. Feel free to email me at fox@pokerfox.net with any questions or suggestions you may have.

I'll see you at the final table,
Fox

saul1664
19-12-2007, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yer, you missed it, it was last night.

Don't think you played the hi low hand badly. Was going to say iamian27 had a lovely drawing hand on the flop but then realised he had (16 in chips) :p

Dans the hi-lo guru, where is he?!?! :confused:

Damn. Only one I can really play in, any late sats? He kept saying why did I keep raising etc. A) hit trips on flop and full on turn, and it's limit PLO as well and he's the one that calls my raises with 95?? Lucky on river but can't see how I can lay down FH there.

First level doubled up to 3.5K in limit hold em and limit omaha, second level up to 9K, but kept losing all the chips on the other games and crashed out when forced to push with open ended str8 draw on omaha at 750/1.5K

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 09:17 AM
No late sats. They were on Sunday and Monday on BSQ.

Learn how to play Razz. Best game out there :)

gsaunders22
19-12-2007, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
No late sats. They were on Sunday and Monday on BSQ.

Learn how to play Razz. Best game out there :)

Congrats on getting a seat! Went to the boozer in the end ;)

In a nutshell, what is Razz?

gsaunders22
19-12-2007, 09:52 AM
Oh and if you log on to your blsq account and go to tourney history you can see where you came in that Sat

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 10:03 AM
Ahh, great, thanks, I'll do that when I'm home tonight :)

Razz, best low hand, 2 cards in the hole, 1 up, betting on every street, 3 more UP cards, one DOWN card, and best low hand, so the wheel, A-5 is the nuts. Flushes and straights don't count and 99% of the time played as limit. One of the H.O.R.S.E. events, try it sometime, even if it's tiny stakes, fun game :)

RichieG
19-12-2007, 10:13 AM
In a nutshell, I believe Razz is 7 Card Stud Low (EDIT - STOG beat me to it :))

iamanuplander
19-12-2007, 11:14 AM
cheers for that article STOG it was a good read but i am still gonna be as an "unprotected" player. Just because if i go lower i wouldn't find it worthwhile. But i have heeded the warning and will play like a true grinder :p

saul1664
19-12-2007, 12:49 PM
Keep getting dominated HU, but not doing that much wrong, have finished about 2nd about 6 times on PS. Played a heads up tourney to improve, and got to final table from 16 starters but up against nutty scandi who raised every hand and was pushing all in with everything, had me dominated mostly and was 2 to 1 when I got all in with A9 vs his 610 pre flop, but his 6 caught and it was all over. How do you play HU?

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 12:59 PM
Raise from the button 9/10 regardless!

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 03:11 PM
BBS POKER COMP TOMORROW NIGHT, 9PM!

Details will be up later today :)

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 04:26 PM
This isn't getting enough love!
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d175/gabe333/dog7aa.jpg

iamanuplander
19-12-2007, 05:10 PM
wow lol your not spoonce are you?

KevTheOptimist
19-12-2007, 05:21 PM
STOG - just literally read the chat - quite funny!

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 05:56 PM
No, I'm not SPOONCE! Jeeez, everytime I look at it I laugh, SO funny!

Quite funny Kev?! :D

SamTheOldGoat
19-12-2007, 05:59 PM
CPFC BBS $10+$1 FREEZEOUT CHRISTMAS COMPETITION!

If you haven't got a Stars account, download Pokerstars.com. By using any UK card deposit $11, click on Tournys > Private > Scroll to 20th December, i.e. Thursday night, 9pm for us however it'll be registered at 16.00pm ET USA.

The password is: eagles

Let's see if we can get more than one table for this one, invite your friends, it's a slow comp as those who have played will agree with I'm sure. Let's get a good one for the last of the year :)

I'm registered already, come and join me guys :)

Strathclyde Eagle
19-12-2007, 06:08 PM
Sam, that picture (well, the text in it) is classic. :D
Originally posted by saul1664
Keep getting dominated HU, but not doing that much wrong, have finished about 2nd about 6 times on PS. Played a heads up tourney to improve, and got to final table from 16 starters but up against nutty scandi who raised every hand and was pushing all in with everything, had me dominated mostly and was 2 to 1 when I got all in with A9 vs his 610 pre flop, but his 6 caught and it was all over. How do you play HU?
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Raise from the button 9/10 regardless!
That's a good starting point. I've been playing a fair bit of heads up lately and aggression is helpful, especially in position. Also if you're aggressive it helps you then get free flops when you've got rubbish and can improve on the flop or after.

I used to see any two cards pre-flop heads-up, now I'll tend to play in position more. If I've got good cards out of position then you have to raise pre-flop. If I've got premium hands and position pre-flop I'm prepared to slow play in the event that someone hits something.

I've also found that heads-up tends to be the part of the game where what the other player might have is more important than what you hold. I recently ended up losing a game where I went all-in on the river on a board that was something like A8765. I pushed (with nothing) to represent a straight, and he called with something like A2. The lesson? Some people can't put down top pair (something I should have recognised) and that's also worth knowing.

saul1664
19-12-2007, 09:01 PM
450 runner betfair tourney

Blinds are 75/150 and have a stack of 4000, pick up 10 10 in mid position, everyone folds to me, put in a raise of 450, get a reraise to 1000 and call, no one else in the pot.

Flop comes down 662, he pushes all in, I put him on AK, go into the think tank and call, he also has 4000 chips. He has AK and K hits the river.

Should I have laid down to his all in or reraise? What's he doing pushing all in after I've called his raise when he has completely missed the flop, must know my range includes PP?

PoolKing
19-12-2007, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What's he doing pushing all in after I've called his raise when he has completely missed the flop

Such a common play from poor online players, raising/reraising AK preflop and then moving all-in on a dry flop. Don't complain about it, it is a poor play and you get paid off in the long run.

gsaunders22
19-12-2007, 10:05 PM
Just played in $15 pl $300 added to pool. Only 28 runners.

Coasting along with above average chips hit AJ next to the button, blinds are 100/200 so I raise 400. SB calls 300. Flop comes 10c Qs As (top pair and straight draw), SB checks so I raise 800, he re-raises 1600 I go all in for about 1300 more he calls, shows KJ and wins. Did I play that correctly??

Left with 80 chips and within 2 hands have 960 chips, got lucky when I hit river for a straight (10,7 v 9,9) he hits set on flop! Then I hit QQ and hit set on flop to get to 960.

Then I think this is where I made an error, or did I? I knew I was behind but did I have a choice but to shove?... Player UTG raises 700, folds to me and I have AJ, would normally chuck in an instant but only have 960 left. I shove, he of course calls and he has AK, which wins. Bit annoyed with myself as I was sure I was behind, but was it correct?

Views please......

Cheers

Amateur

oz_da II
19-12-2007, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Just played in $15 pl $300 added to pool. Only 28 runners.

Coasting along with above average chips hit AJ next to the button, blinds are 100/200 so I raise 400. SB calls 300. Flops comes 10c Qs As (top pair and straight draw), SB checks so I raise 800, he re-raises 1600 I go all in for about 1300 more he calls, shows KJ and wins. Did I play that correctly??

Every decision is player dependent but once he re-raises I don't like our hand anymore. I don't think he's raising with a worse hand than ours. Probably only got 4 outs.

Originally posted by gsaunders22
This is where I think I made an error, or did I? I knew I was behind but did I have a choice but to shove? Player UTG raises 700 folds to me and I have AJ, would normally chuck in an instant but only have 960 left. I shove he of course calls and he has AK, which wins. Bit annoyed with myself as I was sure I was behind, but was it correct

Once again player dependent, very tight player I'd probably fold anyone else we've got to shove. You've only got 5BB's.

oz_da II
19-12-2007, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
450 runner betfair tourney

Blinds are 75/150 and have a stack of 4000, pick up 10 10 in mid position, everyone folds to me, put in a raise of 450, get a reraise to 1000 and call, no one else in the pot.

Flop comes down 662, he pushes all in, I put him on AK, go into the think tank and call, he also has 4000 chips. He has AK and K hits the river.

Should I have laid down to his all in or reraise? What's he doing pushing all in after I've called his raise when he has completely missed the flop, must know my range includes PP?

No-brainer. If he's got you beat he'll put in a little teaser bet, if he's got nothing he'll try and scare you off with an all-in.

Stick it in the BBV, I like how you keep your bad beats in here by asking a simple question at the end. :moo: :o

gsaunders22
19-12-2007, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Every decision is player dependent but once he re-raises I don't like our hand anymore. I don't think he's raising with a worse hand than ours. Probably only got 4 outs.



Once again player dependent, very tight player I'd probably fold anyone else we've got to shove. You've only got 5BB's.

:p makes sense, cheers

saul1664
19-12-2007, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
No-brainer. If he's got you beat he'll put in a little teaser bet, if he's got nothing he'll try and scare you off with an all-in.

Stick it in the BBV, I like how you keep your bad beats in here by asking a simple question at the end. :moo: :o

Not putting it in as a BB, putting it in to see what others would do.

saul1664
19-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Just played in $15 pl $300 added to pool. Only 28 runners.

Coasting along with above average chips hit AJ next to the button, blinds are 100/200 so I raise 400. SB calls 300. Flop comes 10c Qs As (top pair and straight draw), SB checks so I raise 800, he re-raises 1600 I go all in for about 1300 more he calls, shows KJ and wins. Did I play that correctly??

Left with 80 chips and within 2 hands have 960 chips, got lucky when I hit river for a straight (10,7 v 9,9) he hits set on flop! Then I hit QQ and hit set on flop to get to 960.

Then I think this is where I made an error, or did I? I knew I was behind but did I have a choice but to shove?... Player UTG raises 700, folds to me and I have AJ, would normally chuck in an instant but only have 960 left. I shove, he of course calls and he has AK, which wins. Bit annoyed with myself as I was sure I was behind, but was it correct?

Views please......

Cheers

Amateur

Standard shove, but would prefer to do this in an unraised pot. You probably have a rotation to get all your chips in.

oz_da II
19-12-2007, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Not putting it in as a BB, putting it in to see what others would do.

Yeah, alright... ;)

If we're behind in this hand we've been deceived by the old "act weak by showing strength when I'm really very strong" trick. :clown:

Strathclyde Eagle
19-12-2007, 11:25 PM
Quick limit question Oz, how do you tend to play from the blinds?

I know that's pretty open-ended, but you seem to be the man to ask about this. :)

iamanuplander
19-12-2007, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
Just played in $15 pl $300 added to pool. Only 28 runners.

Coasting along with above average chips hit AJ next to the button, blinds are 100/200 so I raise 400. SB calls 300. Flop comes 10c Qs As (top pair and straight draw), SB checks so I raise 800, he re-raises 1600 I go all in for about 1300 more he calls, shows KJ and wins. Did I play that correctly??

Left with 80 chips and within 2 hands have 960 chips, got lucky when I hit river for a straight (10,7 v 9,9) he hits set on flop! Then I hit QQ and hit set on flop to get to 960.

Then I think this is where I made an error, or did I? I knew I was behind but did I have a choice but to shove?... Player UTG raises 700, folds to me and I have AJ, would normally chuck in an instant but only have 960 left. I shove, he of course calls and he has AK, which wins. Bit annoyed with myself as I was sure I was behind, but was it correct?

Views please......

Cheers

Amateur

I would have limped in with AJ in the position you mentioned first or would try a big raise to get them to fold say raise to 700. AJ is two live cards capable of missing the flop so im not too keen on them seeing a flop just as i am not keen to see a flop with AK if my chips haven't already been shoved in. After the flop hit that is a dangerous board because hands he would call a min raise to pre flop could easily have hit like 9J, KJ, Q10, A10 however your right to think ure hand is good so when you open at the pot on the flop with your raise when u get min re raised in my eyes that shows he has a monster because he wants you to call that bet if he didnt he would have pushed over the top all in. I would throw my hand away when he min raised me, even if a lot of you would think i am crazy. I definately wuddnt have gone back over the top all in because i bet u knew before he showed you his hand you were beat.

And to your second scenario if u knew you were beat and you are obviously a good player to recognise you were you shouldn't go against your instincts. I would rather put my life on the line with 910 suited because that hand is more likely to be live and stands up well to overcards

oz_da II
20-12-2007, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Quick limit question Oz, how do you tend to play from the blinds?

I know that's pretty open-ended, but you seem to be the man to ask about this. :)

Very agressively against players I've classified as blind stealers, any two will do. I can usually get them to fold if they don't hit the flop. I'll play very meekily (is that a word?) against anybody else, really don't like being out of position. I'll rarely if ever play trash from the SB if there is only one or two limpers, if the majority limp in you've got to have a look.

One play I've found to be a money earner is checking when hitting top pair on the flop from the blinds, someone will usually bet at it. Then C/R the turn, this almost always goes to show down with "villian" showing down middle pair or even worse.

Got any specific scenarios?

samtheeagle
20-12-2007, 02:02 AM
Just been down to the 75 freezeout at the Gutshot Club.
Was really impressed by everything to be honest, I havent been for about 2 years and the whole place has had a nice facelift and is without a doubt the friendliest poker room ive encountered. As for the tourny the blinds were a little quicker then I would have liked with 20 min levels and 3k starting chips. I hadn't actually played a hand until the 3rd level! Worked my way up to 15k and then my broadway straight was beaten by quad 7's! Became short stack and eventually pushed with 8,10S on button and came up against AK.

Recomend a vist for everyone.

iamanuplander
20-12-2007, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just been down to the 75 freezeout at the Gutshot Club.
Was really impressed by everything to be honest, I havent been for about 2 years and the whole place has had a nice facelift and is without a doubt the friendliest poker room ive encountered. As for the tourny the blinds were a little quicker then I would have liked with 20 min levels and 3k starting chips. I hadn't actually played a hand until the 3rd level! Worked my way up to 15k and then my broadway straight was beaten by quad 7's! Became short stack and eventually pushed with 8,10S on button and came up against AK.

Recomend a vist for everyone.

Been there before Sam and its a nice setting with a good atmosphere but every time i have been there they only had 1000 in starting chips and this annoyed me. Also i have played badly or got unlucky every time i have been there lol. But my luck may change and i will be paying them a visit again shortly. Bit of a trek to go there from dulwich though. You go to denmark hill train station and get a train to blackfriars?

Also anyone know about big slicks heard its a poker joint in croydon but no idea what its like?

iamanuplander
20-12-2007, 03:50 AM
Game #4676514873: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2007/12/20 - 03:44:08 (UK)
Table "Thomaso" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Teegaa1 ($59.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Gede31121 ($160.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Scrapp005 ($224.32 in chips)
Seat 4: Speaky1 ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: Ant200133 ($224.72 in chips)
Seat 6: Ant040689 ($94.50 in chips)
Ant040689: posts small blind $0.50
Teegaa1: posts big blind $1
Speaky1: posts big blind $1 + posts small blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Ah Kh]
Gede31121: folds
Scrapp005: folds
Speaky1: raises to $5
Ant200133: raises to $9
Ant040689: raises to $94.50 and is all-in
Teegaa1: folds
Speaky1: calls $89.50
Ant200133: folds
----- FLOP ----- [2c 5s 5c]
----- TURN ----- [2c 5s 5c][Qh]
----- RIVER ----- [2c 5s 5c Qh][Kd]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ant040689: shows [Ah Kh] (Two Pairs, Kings and Fives, Ace high)
Speaky1: shows [4c 2d] (Two Pairs, Fives and Twos, King high)
Ant040689 collected $196.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $199.50 Main pot $196.50 Rake $3
Board [2c 5s 5c Qh Kd]
Seat 1: Teegaa1 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Gede31121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Scrapp005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Speaky1 (big blind + small blind) showed [4c 2d] and lost with Two Pairs, Fives and Twos, King high
Seat 5: Ant200133 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ant040689 (small blind) showed [Ah Kh] and won ($196.50) with Two Pairs, Kings and Fives, Ace high

Needs no Explanation.

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 07:18 AM
Collusion from the 'ANTS' he made an agressive call :D

oz_da II
20-12-2007, 07:25 AM
:clown:

I'm positive there are people out there who play only to put bad beats on other players and don't care how much they lose in the process. With some of the "plays" I've seen there is no other explanation for it. The all in call with 42o being a prime example and he almost did it. :moo:

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
I would have limped in with AJ in the position you mentioned first or would try a big raise to get them to fold say raise to 700. AJ is two live cards capable of missing the flop so im not too keen on them seeing a flop just as i am not keen to see a flop with AK if my chips haven't already been shoved in. After the flop hit that is a dangerous board because hands he would call a min raise to pre flop could easily have hit like 9J, KJ, Q10, A10 however your right to think ure hand is good so when you open at the pot on the flop with your raise when u get min re raised in my eyes that shows he has a monster because he wants you to call that bet if he didnt he would have pushed over the top all in. I would throw my hand away when he min raised me, even if a lot of you would think i am crazy. I definately wuddnt have gone back over the top all in because i bet u knew before he showed you his hand you were beat.

And to your second scenario if u knew you were beat and you are obviously a good player to recognise you were you shouldn't go against your instincts. I would rather put my life on the line with 910 suited because that hand is more likely to be live and stands up well to overcards

Ahh I knew I should have folded it!! & yes when I did make the all in in the first scenerio I was thinking...oops! My initial thought was he was on a flush draw but I guess that would have been a larger raise by him?

Not sure I would like limping in with AJ in such a late position but defo agree with the bigger raise, would have given the KJ more to think about.

Cheers for helpful comments :p

Strathclyde Eagle
20-12-2007, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Very agressively against players I've classified as blind stealers, any two will do. I can usually get them to fold if they don't hit the flop. I'll play very meekily (is that a word?) against anybody else, really don't like being out of position. I'll rarely if ever play trash from the SB if there is only one or two limpers, if the majority limp in you've got to have a look.

One play I've found to be a money earner is checking when hitting top pair on the flop from the blinds, someone will usually bet at it. Then C/R the turn, this almost always goes to show down with "villian" showing down middle pair or even worse.

Got any specific scenarios?
Nothing specific, had just read a few things and wondered if you would also mention them.

One thing I've found successful is Hellmuth's tip to re-raise with a "blackjack/20" hand. This typically doesn't normally leave you in bad shape. What I've normally found is that if the other player re-raises you find they have a hand. If they just call they then tend to fold on the flop.

As for just calling pre-flop I read Jennifer Harmon said about calling with connectors (whether suited or not). I'm not so keen on this as I don't feel I play connectors well (especially out of position). Then again she also suggests re-raising with just middle pair sometimes in limit, which in my experience is a recipe for disaster.

I don't know if this is what you meant by playing meekly, but I don't like justifying calls from the blinds by saying you have odds to call. That's just a way to excuse putting yourself in bad situations in my opinion. Even if you catch a piece of a flop you might end up still behind.

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:13 AM
CPFC BBS $10+$1 FREEZEOUT CHRISTMAS COMPETITION!

If you haven't got a Stars account, download Pokerstars.com. By using any UK card deposit $11, click on Tournys > Private > Scroll to 20th December, i.e. Thursday night, 9pm for us however it'll be registered at 16.00pm ET USA.

The password is: eagles

Let's see if we can get more than one table for this one, invite your friends, it's a slow comp as those who have played will agree with I'm sure. Let's get a good one for the last of the year

I'm registered already, come and join me guys

Gav The Hamster
20-12-2007, 11:30 AM
Will try my best. Hopefully I can get to log on later.

citizen sane
20-12-2007, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat


I'm registered already, come and join me guys

I've registered.

See you all at 9pm.

samtheeagle
20-12-2007, 11:58 AM
Normally get train to Farringdon from Herne Hill or 63 bus goes all the way there from Peckham so its actually not too bad.

KevTheOptimist
20-12-2007, 12:51 PM
Am 50/50 STOG but will try my best

Gav The Hamster
20-12-2007, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
:clown:

I'm positive there are people out there who play only to put bad beats on other players and don't care how much they lose in the process. With some of the "plays" I've seen there is no other explanation for it. The all in call with 42o being a prime example and he almost did it. :moo:

when I first looked at the hand I thought he went all in on the flop with 42os which is bit more understandable. Having just looked back at the hand, I cant believe he called the all in preflop !!!

Unbelieveable. Take the mugs name and rinse him time and time again !!

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Normally get train to Farringdon from Herne Hill or 63 bus goes all the way there from Peckham so its actually not too bad.

What's that Sam? :confused: :D

Good to see some of you are in, hopefully get a load more this evening. Just had a job interview, 26 applied for post, 4 were shortlisted and it went well so I'm happy and want to play lots of cards now over Christmas. Good times Roll on the festive poker season :p

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
What's that Sam? :confused: :D

Good to see some of you are in, hopefully get a load more this evening. Just had a job interview, 26 applied for post, 4 were shortlisted and it went well so I'm happy and want to play lots of cards now over Christmas. Good times Roll on the festive poker season :p

What's numbers looking like for tonight?

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 02:07 PM
Not a clue chap, at work and haven't had a look but a lot of people have expressed an interest. Hopefully a load chap, you in?

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 04:14 PM
Hmmm maybe!.......Might have to play two games though as the APAT Polish open starts @ 8pm on BLSQ :)

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 04:53 PM
That's OK isn't it! Come on, only a fiver, will be a good crack and we have banter. You can easily play 2 games ;)

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 05:25 PM
Come on guys, get into this comp! EVERYONE READING THIS PLEASE ;)

iamanuplander
20-12-2007, 07:18 PM
Im in found my dad's debit card hope he won't mind STOG lol

PoolKing
20-12-2007, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Just had a job interview, 26 applied for post, 4 were shortlisted and it went well so I'm happy

Nice one Sam, what kind of job are you going for and will you still play a lot of poker?

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 08:23 PM
Cheers dude, just where I work now in the Harbour Authority but working as a Building Management and Programme Support Officer, great hours, mega flexi, good £, still lots of time for cards! :)

Hope to see you tonight>! 30 mins all

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 08:35 PM
5 in..........

saul1664
20-12-2007, 08:35 PM
Got in half an hour late for my limit tourney yet my stack has increased by 65 chips.

saul1664
20-12-2007, 08:41 PM
I'm in. Standard of play in this limit tourney is wank.

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 08:53 PM
Oh my god!! How long does it take to set this account up with PS....whats this NETeller stuff all about, keeps popping me back to the APAT to play my hand!!

Running out of time .....

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 08:55 PM
LOL, HURRY UP! SOD APAT! Cme join us, you can register late too mate iirc, Don't use neteller, just use your usual card

citizen sane
20-12-2007, 08:57 PM
Use your debit card.

Oh, Sam beat me to it.

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 09:01 PM
10 MINS REG LEFT

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 09:15 PM
Bad beat/cold deck?
PokerStars Game #13987942168: Tournament #70879512, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/20 - 16:12:23 (ET)
Table '70879512 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ukpockets (1530 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (1720 in chips)
Seat 4: jamie1966 (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: pokernuts07 (1530 in chips)
Seat 7: NiceHitFish© (1525 in chips)
Seat 9: anup returns (1255 in chips)
ukpockets: posts small blind 10
saul1664: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NiceHitFish© [As Ah]
jamie1966: folds
pokernuts07: folds
NiceHitFish©: raises 35 to 55
anup returns: folds
ukpockets: folds
saul1664: raises 145 to 200
NiceHitFish©: raises 299 to 499
saul1664: raises 1221 to 1720 and is all-in
NiceHitFish©: calls 1026 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Ts 4d 2h]
*** TURN *** [Ts 4d 2h] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 4d 2h 2d] [4c]
jamie1966 said, "whoa"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
NiceHitFish©: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
NiceHitFish© said, "GG Saul"
NiceHitFish© collected 3060 from pot
saul1664 said, "whooooooooah"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3060 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 4d 2h 2d 4c]
Seat 1: ukpockets (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: saul1664 (big blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 4: jamie1966 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pokernuts07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NiceHitFish© showed [As Ah] and won (3060) with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 9: anup returns (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 09:15 PM
Ironically he still had 180 chips and doubled through AQ v A9 hand after!

saul1664
20-12-2007, 09:18 PM
how many chips now

47 not nuts

KevTheOptimist
20-12-2007, 09:34 PM
Sorry lads, footy ran on a bit...

citizen sane
20-12-2007, 09:59 PM
Had my Aces smashed with A on the flop :(

saul1664
20-12-2007, 10:28 PM
who won

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 10:33 PM
Me, beginners luck! :)

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 10:37 PM
I came second, GSAUNDERS, you want to play a SNG for me, only $16, im in middle of it now but have to go and collect GF whose pissed and been on her works do, if so please respond NOW nad I'll PM my details

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 10:37 PM
PS, it wasn't beginners luck, you played V. well :)

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I came second, GSAUNDERS, you want to play a SNG for me, only $16, im in middle of it now but have to go and collect GF whose pissed and been on her works do, if so please respond NOW nad I'll PM my details

Will do M8

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 10:39 PM
15k on apat, 30 left

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 10:42 PM
PM sent :) GL

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 10:51 PM
LOL, double up for Sam, with guess what.....JJ

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Hey mate, I'm back now so if you want me to take over that's cool, if not post up Tourny No so I can rail!

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:10 PM
Came 3rd Sam, sry did my best.

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:12 PM
Don't apologise, that's great mate, cheers, will send some ££ to your Stars account as thanks. The GF is a little worse for wear! Thanks again :)

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:18 PM
No no don't be silly, don't want any ££, it's fine :)

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:20 PM
15 left in APAT, just lost half my stack with 2 pair to his flush, sitting last :(

saul1664
20-12-2007, 11:21 PM
What should I be doing here, folding to raise and looking for a better spot or gambling for the low?

PokerStars Game #13990389711: Tournament #70319673, $20+$2 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/12/20 - 18:16:22 (ET)
Table '70319673 11' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: proth (5845 in chips)
Seat 2: EaglesFly99 (2335 in chips)
Seat 3: cheerful666 (3513 in chips)
Seat 4: Sugar5 (1542 in chips)
Seat 5: ML58 (3001 in chips)
Seat 6: socrate1 (7758 in chips)
Seat 7: 01 KIRSTEN (1145 in chips)
Seat 8: MISTY 39 (5386 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (859 in chips)
Sugar5: posts small blind 50
ML58: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [7h Ac Qs 2c]
socrate1: folds
01 KIRSTEN: folds
MISTY 39: calls 100
saul1664: calls 100
proth: folds
EaglesFly99: folds
cheerful666: calls 100
Sugar5: folds
ML58: raises 450 to 550
MISTY 39: folds
saul1664: calls 450
cheerful666: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Qc 8h]
ML58: bets 1350
saul1664: calls 309 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [3h Qc 8h] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [3h Qc 8h Jh] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ML58: shows [As 2h Qh Ad] (HI: a flush, Queen high)
saul1664: shows [7h Ac Qs 2c] (HI: a pair of Queens)
ML58 collected 1968 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1968 | Rake 0
Board [3h Qc 8h Jh Kd]
Seat 1: proth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: EaglesFly99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cheerful666 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Sugar5 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: ML58 (big blind) showed [As 2h Qh Ad] and won (1968) with HI: a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: socrate1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 01 KIRSTEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MISTY 39 folded before Flop
Seat 9: saul1664 showed [7h Ac Qs 2c] and lost with HI: a pair of Queens

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:24 PM
From 7k to 26k :)

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:27 PM
42k

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:27 PM
Well I've sent it so enjoy it :)

I'm railling but can't speak?!?!? LOL

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:34 PM
Why not raise the button there chap>?

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Final table for 2nd week running, sitting in 6th at the moment!

gsaunders22
20-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Really no need mate but thanks!

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:47 PM
No probs, just try a build a roll playing smaller stuff on Stars. Remember you M's 10 at the mo, loads of time ;)

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:48 PM
8 now :D

iamanuplander
20-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Would you guys recommend me opening an account on blue square pokre is it any good?

SamTheOldGoat
20-12-2007, 11:57 PM
I think that was fine, when he shoved you CAN'T pass as you couldn't pass with 33 earlier on. I suppose you could have smelt a rat with the min raise UTG but 7 handed AK isn't a bad hand at all, tbh I thought you were going to be winning. Well done anyway mate, good profit for you tonight isn't it!

saul1664
21-12-2007, 12:00 AM
on to step two of pca, only 5 more STTs to qualify in

gsaunders22
21-12-2007, 12:01 AM
Finished 7th. Disappointed, again went against my instinct!

Blinds are 1500 / 3000 I have 40k in chips, guy UTG raises to 6000. Im on the button and see AK, re-raise to 15k he goes all in and I call, however I just knew he had KK (which he did) should I have played that differently or could I not really get away from that hand? Could'nt really not call the add 23k for a pot of about 100k.

gsaunders22
21-12-2007, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I think that was fine, when he shoved you CAN'T pass as you couldn't pass with 33 earlier on. I suppose you could have smelt a rat with the min raise UTG but 7 handed AK isn't a bad hand at all, tbh I thought you were going to be winning. Well done anyway mate, good profit for you tonight isn't it!

LOL! You answered my question before I wrote it! Ta for watching. Yep knew I couldn't lay it down.

Yeah nice bit of profit, nice to make 2 final table in a row.

Thanks for the game lads:p

iamanuplander
21-12-2007, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
on to step two of pca, only 5 more STTs to qualify in

i went to step 5 of this from step one and came agonisingly close in third to qualify for step 6 but didnt make it. I got ul tbh because the guy knocking me out in third was a complete maniac and hit a runner runner to cripple me. I lost the re try and had to start again but cuddn't be bothered lol

SamTheOldGoat
21-12-2007, 08:39 AM
GSaunders, was thinking about it making tea this morning, I think you should have shoved the button, I know in this situation you were a 70-30 dog but if UTG raiser flat calls and the board comes as it does your in mega trouble. Re-raise shove for the win :)

gsaunders22
21-12-2007, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
GSaunders, was thinking about it making tea this morning, I think you should have shoved the button, I know in this situation you were a 70-30 dog but if UTG raiser flat calls and the board comes as it does your in mega trouble. Re-raise shove for the win :)

:p Call me Grant, GSaunders sounds too formal! :D

SamTheOldGoat
21-12-2007, 11:38 AM
No probs Grant, sorry ;) :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-12-2007, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Nice one Sam, what kind of job are you going for and will you still play a lot of poker?

I got it, very happy, good times :D

Micky Spilane
21-12-2007, 04:38 PM
Anyone play on Ladbrokes regularly? I have just reached 5,000 player points this month and was wondering how much I would get back in rake-back. Any ideas anyone?

Cheers, Mike.

Strathclyde Eagle
21-12-2007, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I got it, very happy, good times :D
Nice one Sam, congratulations. :p

Gav The Hamster
21-12-2007, 04:43 PM
It says on the site somewhere mate. Looks under bonuses/offers.

From memory, its 20% for 5000+ and then 25% for 10000+ and 30% for 20000+ plus.

Might have changed since though

Micky Spilane
21-12-2007, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster
It says on the site somewhere mate. Looks under bonuses/offers.

From memory, its 20% for 5000+ and then 25% for 10000+ and 30% for 20000+ plus.

Might have changed since though

Yeah I have seen that, but what is 20% of 5000 in cash terms?

saul1664
22-12-2007, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
i went to step 5 of this from step one and came agonisingly close in third to qualify for step 6 but didnt make it. I got ul tbh because the guy knocking me out in third was a complete maniac and hit a runner runner to cripple me. I lost the re try and had to start again but cuddn't be bothered lol

Looks like I might be on my way to step 3. Nice river. :eek:

PokerStars Game #14021348295: Tournament #71170213, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/22 - 06:37:31 (ET)
Table '71170213 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DDG40 (1035 in chips)
Seat 2: Pahrump (255 in chips)
Seat 3: Pawel K (815 in chips)
Seat 4: claplant (1633 in chips)
Seat 5: jonb222 (1645 in chips)
Seat 6: faz93 (2965 in chips)
Seat 7: beksie (1310 in chips)
Seat 8: elektra88 (2510 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (1332 in chips)
beksie: posts small blind 25
elektra88: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qc Qh]
saul1664: raises 200 to 250
DDG40: calls 250
Pahrump: folds
Pawel K: folds
claplant: raises 1383 to 1633 and is all-in
jonb222: folds
faz93: folds
beksie: folds
elektra88: folds
saul1664: calls 1082 and is all-in
DDG40: calls 785 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [9c 9s Kc]
*** TURN *** [9c 9s Kc] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [9c 9s Kc Ts] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Qc Qh] (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
claplant: shows [Tc Th] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
saul1664 collected 594 from side pot
DDG40: shows [Ah 5h] (a pair of Nines)
saul1664 collected 3180 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3774 Main pot 3180. Side pot 594. | Rake 0
Board [9c 9s Kc Ts Qd]
Seat 1: DDG40 showed [Ah 5h] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: Pahrump folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Pawel K folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: claplant showed [Tc Th] and lost with a full house, Tens full of Nines
Seat 5: jonb222 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: faz93 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: beksie (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: elektra88 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: saul1664 showed [Qc Qh] and won (3774) with a full house, Queens full of Nines

oz_da II
22-12-2007, 02:49 PM
This is a brag...

S_E. Do your thing...

samtheeagle
22-12-2007, 06:51 PM
How come the betting threads are "sticky" and were not?!

saul1664
22-12-2007, 09:32 PM
Some of us may be.

Strathclyde Eagle
22-12-2007, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
This is a brag...

S_E. Do your thing...
What, there's no question at the start or end of the post? ;)
Originally posted by samtheeagle
How come the betting threads are "sticky" and were not?!
Can't sticky everything I'm afraid. :)

saul1664
22-12-2007, 10:12 PM
no question needed. still stuck on level 2.

DANCOO
22-12-2007, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Micky Spilane
Anyone play on Ladbrokes regularly? I have just reached 5,000 player points this month and was wondering how much I would get back in rake-back. Any ideas anyone?

Cheers, Mike.

I think it's $50.

DANCOO
22-12-2007, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What should I be doing here, folding to raise and looking for a better spot or gambling for the low?

PokerStars Game #13990389711: Tournament #70319673, $20+$2 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/12/20 - 18:16:22 (ET)
Table '70319673 11' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: proth (5845 in chips)
Seat 2: EaglesFly99 (2335 in chips)
Seat 3: cheerful666 (3513 in chips)
Seat 4: Sugar5 (1542 in chips)
Seat 5: ML58 (3001 in chips)
Seat 6: socrate1 (7758 in chips)
Seat 7: 01 KIRSTEN (1145 in chips)
Seat 8: MISTY 39 (5386 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (859 in chips)
Sugar5: posts small blind 50
ML58: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [7h Ac Qs 2c]
socrate1: folds
01 KIRSTEN: folds
MISTY 39: calls 100
saul1664: calls 100
proth: folds
EaglesFly99: folds
cheerful666: calls 100
Sugar5: folds
ML58: raises 450 to 550
MISTY 39: folds
saul1664: calls 450
cheerful666: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Qc 8h]
ML58: bets 1350
saul1664: calls 309 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [3h Qc 8h] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [3h Qc 8h Jh] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ML58: shows [As 2h Qh Ad] (HI: a flush, Queen high)
saul1664: shows [7h Ac Qs 2c] (HI: a pair of Queens)
ML58 collected 1968 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1968 | Rake 0
Board [3h Qc 8h Jh Kd]
Seat 1: proth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: EaglesFly99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cheerful666 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Sugar5 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: ML58 (big blind) showed [As 2h Qh Ad] and won (1968) with HI: a flush, Queen high
Seat 6: socrate1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 01 KIRSTEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MISTY 39 folded before Flop
Seat 9: saul1664 showed [7h Ac Qs 2c] and lost with HI: a pair of Queens

Folding to a raise - can't believe you are even considering folding suited A2Lx on hi/lo, as a massive shortstack pre-flop.

If you mean post flop, you're heads up with top pair + nut lo draw...easy all-in call.

saul1664
22-12-2007, 10:56 PM
Thank you.

saul1664
23-12-2007, 01:33 AM
finished 4th on pca level 2 5 consecutive times but have finally made it to level 3. Onwards and upwards.

Chester
23-12-2007, 02:52 AM
Right, can someone please just give me a definitive answer to the flush please.

An example. Two players hit an A high flush with the A on the board. one player for example has the K in his hand in the flush and the other person has the 10, all other cards are shared.

Is it a split pot with the A high being the winner or does the person with the higher flush after the ace win it. I have looked and cant find a proper answer.

Most of them seem to say that it is simply the highest flush i.e A high that wins but considering poker is the best 5 cards I dont see how this is possible.

Call me a retard and all that jazz but it is something that has bugged me. Links to definitive answers would be great

Yours in ineptitude

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 03:20 AM
The best 5 card hand wins, therefore the two players' final hands are something like:-

Hand 1: Ad Kd 8d 3d 2d
Hand 2: Ad Td 8d 3d 2d

Hand 1 wins as it's a higher flush. The only time two flushes split is when the board plays (there is a higher flush on the board than when combined with either player's hand).

Chester
23-12-2007, 04:19 AM
Thanks

That is what I thought and have been slated for it. Just need to find some proof to shove it peoples faces!

oz_da II
23-12-2007, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Thanks

That is what I thought and have been slated for it. Just need to find some proof to shove it peoples faces!

Who's that? :eek:

I was at a casino where I split a pot with someone who then informed me the pot was his because he had the higher suit! :moo:
Needless to say he walked away chipless from the table later on that night.

samtheeagle
23-12-2007, 05:09 AM
Ive got 5 red ones! Read em and weep!

Eagle Of Cray
23-12-2007, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
I am far from an accomplished player and would imagine that any of the regular posters on this thread would at least make the FT. As I said before there are no entry requirements for the 5pm freeroll on a saturday and seems a pretty easy way for a decent player to add to their bankroll.

Has anyone else played the $1000 freeroll on Battlefield? Once again yesterday the number of entrants (227) was puzzling and I had my best result so far finishing 2nd for $202.

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Has anyone else played the $1000 freeroll on Battlefield? Once again yesterday the number of entrants (227) was puzzling and I had my best result so far finishing 2nd for $202.

Yes it's the best value freeroll on the net - time/moneywise with only 200 entries and $300 for 1st place. I've come 2nd and 3rd in it and I don't even play donkaments. The standard of play is absolutely dire - it's full of Lithuanians who have no idea what they're doing.

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 12:27 PM
This is quite chucklesome - these guys are stoned off their faces and decide to play $200/$400 NL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aolVYSMRw_0

FullTiltPoker Game #2884739191: Table Vasari (heads up) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:25:00 ET - 2007/07/08
Seat 1: pr1nnyraid ($48,598)
Seat 2: perkyshmerky ($47,898)
pr1nnyraid has 5 seconds left to act
pr1nnyraid posts the small blind of $200
perkyshmerky posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pr1nnyraid [8c 6s]
pr1nnyraid calls $200
perkyshmerky raises to $1,200
pr1nnyraid has 15 seconds left to act
pr1nnyraid raises to $4,000
perkyshmerky calls $2,800
*** FLOP *** [3d 8h Qh]
perkyshmerky checks
pr1nnyraid checks
*** TURN *** [3d 8h Qh] [8d]
perkyshmerky checks
pr1nnyraid bets $7,000
perkyshmerky has 15 seconds left to act
perkyshmerky raises to $14,000
pr1nnyraid has 15 seconds left to act
pr1nnyraid raises to $44,598, and is all in
perkyshmerky calls $29,898, and is all in
pr1nnyraid shows [8c 6s]
perkyshmerky shows [Kc Qd]
Uncalled bet of $700 returned to pr1nnyraid
*** RIVER *** [3d 8h Qh 8d] [4d]
pr1nnyraid shows three of a kind, Eights
perkyshmerky shows two pair, Queens and Eights
pr1nnyraid wins the pot ($95,795.50) with three of a kind, Eights
perkyshmerky is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $95,796 | Rake $0.50
Board: [3d 8h Qh 8d 4d]
Seat 1: pr1nnyraid (small blind) showed [8c 6s] and won ($95, 795.50) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: perkyshmerky (big blind) showed [Kc Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights

Eagle Of Cray
23-12-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
- time/moneywise with only 200 entries and $300 for 1st place.

That is what I don't understand the $500 freeroll an hour later has 1000's of entrants paying 260 places.

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
That is what I don't understand the $500 freeroll an hour later has 1000's of entrants paying 260 places.

I think it's because Battlefield is part of the Prima network - the $500 freeroll is a Prima network freeroll but the $1000 freeroll is Battlefield only and players from other Prima sites can't play.

Eagle Of Cray
23-12-2007, 12:44 PM
:p cheers se1 that explains it.

saul1664
23-12-2007, 01:10 PM
up to level 4 of pca at first attempt, 3 more to go

oz_da II
23-12-2007, 01:10 PM
Really didn't know how to play this hand, comments?

taiwanterror 44.3/12/2.1
pshawny 85.2/33/1.5


Full Tilt Poker Game #4596528051: Table Amhurst (6 max) - $1/$2 - Limit Holdem - 7:04:54 ET - 2007/12/23
Seat 1: paperboy1111 ($28.25)
Seat 2: taiwanterror ($111.75)
Seat 3: pshawny ($105.75)
Seat 4: Bolitho179 ($41)
Seat 5: GWYER ($37)
Seat 6: Pav_Attack ($51)
Bolitho179 posts the small blind of $0.50
GWYER posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pav_Attack [Qd Qs]
Pav_Attack raises to $2
paperboy1111 folds
taiwanterror raises to $3
pshawny calls $3
Bolitho179 calls $2.50
GWYER folds
Pav_Attack raises to $4
taiwanterror calls $1
pshawny calls $1
Bolitho179 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9h 4s 4c]
Bolitho179 bets $1
Pav_Attack raises to $2
taiwanterror raises to $3
pshawny calls $3
Bolitho179 folds
Pav_Attack calls $1
*** TURN *** [9h 4s 4c] [7c]
Pav_Attack checks
taiwanterror bets $2
pshawny calls $2
Pav_Attack calls $2
*** RIVER *** [9h 4s 4c 7c] [7h]
Pav_Attack checks
taiwanterror bets $2
pshawny calls $2
Pav_Attack ?

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 01:22 PM
Not nearly as good at limit as you but thoughts are..

taiwanterror has a tight preflop raising range so you'd assume a very tight preflop reraising range, plus he's shown aggression throughout the hand. I'd be worried that taiwanterror has AA or KK but JJ/TT is possible too - you can't put him on a 4 or 7 here. You're getting huge odds to call on the river and I can't see much value in betting so I think a call is the right option.

pshawny played the hand very passively so I can only assume he has a weak hand like a random 9 or maybe 55,66,88.

Micky Spilane
23-12-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I think it's $50.

Thanks for the info.

samtheeagle
23-12-2007, 04:43 PM
How bad to I play this?
Do I need to raise the flop?

PokerStars Game #14047147446: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/12/23 - 11:38:58 (ET)
Table 'Giclas II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: athorn ($237.30 in chips)
Seat 2: capaneo ($201 in chips)
Seat 3: MAD-522 ($203 in chips)
Seat 4: sambhygreen ($146.35 in chips)
Seat 5: ryanj9352 ($368.45 in chips)
Seat 6: B1G CHILL ($396.85 in chips)
Seat 7: dutchden ($102.75 in chips)
Seat 8: swizzfish ($33.15 in chips)
Seat 9: CastlePeak55 ($128.15 in chips)
capaneo: posts small blind $1
MAD-522: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [7d 7h]
sambhygreen: calls $2
ryanj9352: folds
B1G CHILL: folds
dutchden: calls $2
swizzfish: folds
CastlePeak55: folds
athorn: calls $2
capaneo: raises $13 to $15
MAD-522: folds
sambhygreen: calls $13
dutchden: folds
athorn: calls $13
*** FLOP *** [Js 7s 4d]
capaneo: bets $30
sambhygreen: calls $30
athorn: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 7s 4d] [Ah]
capaneo: bets $60
sambhygreen: raises $41.35 to $101.35 and is all-in
capaneo: calls $41.35
*** RIVER *** [Js 7s 4d Ah] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
capaneo: shows [Ad As] (three of a kind, Aces)
sambhygreen: mucks hand
capaneo collected $308.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $311.70 | Rake $3
Board [Js 7s 4d Ah Kh]
Seat 1: athorn (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: capaneo (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won ($308.70) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: MAD-522 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: sambhygreen mucked [7d 7h]
Seat 5: ryanj9352 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: B1G CHILL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dutchden folded before Flop
Seat 8: swizzfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: CastlePeak55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
23-12-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
How bad to I play this?
Do I need to raise the flop?

PokerStars Game #14047147446: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/12/23 - 11:38:58 (ET)
Table 'Giclas II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: athorn ($237.30 in chips)
Seat 2: capaneo ($201 in chips)
Seat 3: MAD-522 ($203 in chips)
Seat 4: sambhygreen ($146.35 in chips)
Seat 5: ryanj9352 ($368.45 in chips)
Seat 6: B1G CHILL ($396.85 in chips)
Seat 7: dutchden ($102.75 in chips)
Seat 8: swizzfish ($33.15 in chips)
Seat 9: CastlePeak55 ($128.15 in chips)
capaneo: posts small blind $1
MAD-522: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [7d 7h]
sambhygreen: calls $2
ryanj9352: folds
B1G CHILL: folds
dutchden: calls $2
swizzfish: folds
CastlePeak55: folds
athorn: calls $2
capaneo: raises $13 to $15
MAD-522: folds
sambhygreen: calls $13
dutchden: folds
athorn: calls $13
*** FLOP *** [Js 7s 4d]
capaneo: bets $30
sambhygreen: calls $30
athorn: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 7s 4d] [Ah]
capaneo: bets $60
sambhygreen: raises $41.35 to $101.35 and is all-in
capaneo: calls $41.35
*** RIVER *** [Js 7s 4d Ah] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
capaneo: shows [Ad As] (three of a kind, Aces)
sambhygreen: mucks hand
capaneo collected $308.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $311.70 | Rake $3
Board [Js 7s 4d Ah Kh]
Seat 1: athorn (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: capaneo (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won ($308.70) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: MAD-522 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: sambhygreen mucked [7d 7h]
Seat 5: ryanj9352 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: B1G CHILL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dutchden folded before Flop
Seat 8: swizzfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: CastlePeak55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Think you have to put him on Aces or Kings pre flop with the raise, so the only bad play is calling pre flop. You could get your money all in on the flop, especially with two spades on the board, however I would be surprised if AA doesn't call an all in on the flop, you have got unlucky on the turn.

samtheeagle
23-12-2007, 06:11 PM
I find it very profitable calling preflop raises with PP's when I put the raiser on a big pair as normally if I connect I can take a whole stack.
Normally I wouldnt have made the call with a players behind me but both were calling stations giving me more value with the call. Perhaps it was a bit much to call the raise. Think I should have pushed the flop as like you say Saul he cant really put down a big pair there.

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
How bad to I play this?
Do I need to raise the flop?


You don't have quite big enough stacks to call his $13 raise preflop - you have around 11-1 implied odds so it's close but I think you should fold preflop. I don't agree with Saul that you have to put him on AA or KK - he hasn't reraised, he has simply pot-raised a bunch of limpers albeit out of position. I'd be making this raise from the SB often with any PP as well as AJ+, sometimes with weaker hands as raising limpers is so profitable.

Having called his raise I would have raised his bet on the flop - there is a possible straight draw as well as a flush draw. However I don't think there's any way you're getting him off AA so in the grand scheme of things this mistake is a minor one - you certainly can't fold the turn. Either way all the money was going in.

samtheeagle
23-12-2007, 06:19 PM
9-1 to flop the set compared to 11-1 implied odds no?

se1eagle
23-12-2007, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
9-1 to flop the set compared to 11-1 implied odds no?

Yup but that assumes that you're going to take his stack every time you flop the set - you won't. Plus you also have to factor in the times when you flop a set and still lose (like the hand above).

There's some debate on what the correct odds are needed to setmine in situations like these - generally though I think 12-1 is considered a minimum and some people recommend 15/16-1.

saul1664
23-12-2007, 07:21 PM
Now through to level 5 out of 6 of PCA on first attempt. Next level is $700 buy in though quality doesn't seem to be improving up the levels. This was the one key hand. Difficult to call with JJ when someone has pushed all-in from early position. Lose this hand and completely out of the competition...

PokerStars Game #14049247351: Tournament #71307108, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/12/23 - 13:32:55 (ET)
Table '71307108 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: SuperCam77 (1485 in chips)
Seat 2: Dutch-Ernie (1320 in chips)
Seat 3: NowWeRoll (1225 in chips)
Seat 4: jamesb (1020 in chips)
Seat 5: quadsalert (2515 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (1445 in chips)
Seat 8: vestyboy (615 in chips)
Seat 9: Doctor_Fun (3875 in chips)
vestyboy: posts small blind 50
Doctor_Fun: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Jh Jd]
SuperCam77: raises 1385 to 1485 and is all-in
Dutch-Ernie: folds
NowWeRoll: folds
jamesb: folds
quadsalert: folds
saul1664: calls 1445 and is all-in
vestyboy: folds
Doctor_Fun: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d Th 6c]
*** TURN *** [9d Th 6c] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [9d Th 6c Jc] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SuperCam77: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Aces)
saul1664: shows [Jh Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
saul1664 collected 3040 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3040 | Rake 0
Board [9d Th 6c Jc Ac]
Seat 1: SuperCam77 showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Dutch-Ernie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NowWeRoll folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jamesb folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: quadsalert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: saul1664 (button) showed [Jh Jd] and won (3040) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 8: vestyboy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Doctor_Fun (big blind) folded before Flop

samtheeagle
23-12-2007, 07:39 PM
I never know what to do when someone pushes all in under the gunn with such low blind levels. Think I'd pass JJ though.

saul1664
23-12-2007, 10:29 PM
Blind levels go up pretty rapidly in this structure. All in shoves from early position tend to be AK AQ. QQ to AA would want to see a flop or get into a position where they could reraise all in. Won a lucky pot on one of the lower levels where I had trip 8s on 6d 7d 8d, guy had raised pre-flop and then shoved all in, I called he had Qd Ad and the board paired another 6. You can't cash out on this tourney structure either, it's all or nothing.

samtheeagle
23-12-2007, 10:57 PM
Just got crushed in the Sunday Million. Absoloute donk on my left calling any bet and caught his gutshot on the river! Sitting pretty in a $50 freezeout though.

Strathclyde Eagle
23-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Really didn't know how to play this hand, comments?

taiwanterror 44.3/12/2.1
pshawny 85.2/33/1.5


Full Tilt Poker Game #4596528051: Table Amhurst (6 max) - $1/$2 - Limit Holdem - 7:04:54 ET - 2007/12/23
Seat 1: paperboy1111 ($28.25)
Seat 2: taiwanterror ($111.75)
Seat 3: pshawny ($105.75)
Seat 4: Bolitho179 ($41)
Seat 5: GWYER ($37)
Seat 6: Pav_Attack ($51)
Bolitho179 posts the small blind of $0.50
GWYER posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pav_Attack [Qd Qs]
Pav_Attack raises to $2
paperboy1111 folds
taiwanterror raises to $3
pshawny calls $3
Bolitho179 calls $2.50
GWYER folds
Pav_Attack raises to $4
taiwanterror calls $1
pshawny calls $1
Bolitho179 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9h 4s 4c]
Bolitho179 bets $1
Pav_Attack raises to $2
taiwanterror raises to $3
pshawny calls $3
Bolitho179 folds
Pav_Attack calls $1
*** TURN *** [9h 4s 4c] [7c]
Pav_Attack checks
taiwanterror bets $2
pshawny calls $2
Pav_Attack calls $2
*** RIVER *** [9h 4s 4c 7c] [7h]
Pav_Attack checks
taiwanterror bets $2
pshawny calls $2
Pav_Attack ?
Meant to come back to this by saying that I'm almost inclined to lay down to any re-raise in low-level limit. It doesn't seem that anyone really does it without a monster hand.

In saying that though I think the odds mean a call is in order here. Suspect you're losing this one though.

Strathclyde Eagle
23-12-2007, 11:12 PM
In the ten minutes since I posted that last post I've seen enough reason to call re-raises in low-level limit. :cool:

saul1664
23-12-2007, 11:43 PM
what happened. No way you can't call $2?

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 12:14 AM
if anyones around and wants to rail I'm 17th of 35 left in FullTilt Sunday Brawl at the mo (jim5432) - about a $1k banked in prize and bounties so far...

wont be able to update much as playing 750k at same time

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
if anyones around and wants to rail I'm 17th of 35 left in FullTilt Sunday Brawl at the mo (jim5432)

15 of 28

just made chips raising A6 from small blind - BB called along after A on flop to my all in on river then folded

Chester
24-12-2007, 12:36 AM
Wow Paul my power just came back on and have seen where you are.

Will rail, Good luck :p

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 12:38 AM
only in the brawl now - bust out the 750k reraising the UTG allin with QQ - he had AK and flopped A - my flush draw on flop missed.

Couldnt really concentrate on that anyway lol!

Chester
24-12-2007, 12:41 AM
Ragz playing very aggressive

PR having none of it though ;)

Chester
24-12-2007, 12:55 AM
your spanish is terrible!

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 12:57 AM
i cant speak foreign and play poker at the same time!

and i have missed my last four lessons at evening school lol

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:02 AM
12 of 12 $2200 (+$280 in bounties so far) - need a hand now tho

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:10 AM
Blinds really race up at the end to kill the short stack.

Come on cards be nice

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:12 AM
not getting anything and raises in front all the time

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:16 AM
No one wants to get involved. Need a double up to not bubble.

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:17 AM
10 of 10 left and two big stacks went allin on the other table

both AQ

Grrrrrr!!!!!

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:18 AM
Yes


Big hand on other table means you are in

AA Vs AK

:p

samtheeagle
24-12-2007, 01:18 AM
Coming to the rail.

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:18 AM
thank you god!!! AA v AK on the other table AK busts

Woo Hoo!!!

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:21 AM
that was 64 offsuit lol

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:22 AM
:)

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:22 AM
Killer river

:sob:

samtheeagle
24-12-2007, 01:23 AM
Sick river after that turn!

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:23 AM
aaaarrrrghhhh

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:23 AM
Well played though Paul. Ill follow to let you know who wins if you want

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:24 AM
oh well - the $$$ signs lit up on turn but mustn't grumble

cleared $4k plus including bounties and satellited in for $24 too :)

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Well played though Paul. Ill follow to let you know who wins if you want

thx to my rail as usual!

I'm off for shut-eye. Not bothered on winners now - dont know any of them

samtheeagle
24-12-2007, 01:25 AM
100 left in $50 freezeout sitting about 40th. 71k in the prizepool.

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:30 AM
sam is that on FT?

If so whats your user name and I will have a watch

Chester
24-12-2007, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
thx to my rail as usual!

I'm off for shut-eye. Not bothered on winners now - dont know any of them

AKat11 is a well known player if i remember right

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
100 left in $50 freezeout sitting about 40th. 71k in the prizepool.

gl Sam - i'd rail but i been playing since 1pm gotta sleep

samtheeagle
24-12-2007, 01:34 AM
Its on Pokerstars. Called the 25k guarenteed.

samtheeagle
24-12-2007, 01:44 AM
Having said that its all over.
How on earth does he make this call?
I know I play it Hyper aggressive but I dont think he can even make this call with top pair!

PokerStars Game #14058177089: Tournament #70445401, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2007/12/23 - 20:34:48 (ET)
Table '70445401 179' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: slyandhigh (11258 in chips)
Seat 2: seijistar (62527 in chips)
Seat 3: ALEDENIRO (20535 in chips)
Seat 4: DomePB (43129 in chips)
Seat 5: dubpen (31331 in chips)
Seat 6: Horner07 (36957 in chips)
Seat 7: sambhygreen (37886 in chips)
Seat 8: kasin (56119 in chips)
Seat 9: bigchongs79 (64566 in chips)
slyandhigh: posts the ante 150
seijistar: posts the ante 150
ALEDENIRO: posts the ante 150
DomePB: posts the ante 150
dubpen: posts the ante 150
Horner07: posts the ante 150
sambhygreen: posts the ante 150
kasin: posts the ante 150
bigchongs79: posts the ante 150
sambhygreen: posts small blind 800
kasin: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Ah 5h]
bigchongs79: folds
slyandhigh: folds
seijistar: folds
ALEDENIRO: folds
DomePB: folds
dubpen: folds
Horner07: folds
sambhygreen: calls 800
kasin: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 7c Jh]
sambhygreen: checks
kasin: bets 1600
seijistar said, "andrey no golpe"
sambhygreen: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [6d 7c Jh] [5c]
seijistar said, "siji ta com problema"
sambhygreen: checks
kasin: bets 3200
seijistar said, "vamoooo"
seijistar said, "nao da nada"
seijistar said, "isso pode"
sambhygreen: raises 7800 to 11000
kasin: calls 7800
*** RIVER *** [6d 7c Jh 5c] [3h]
seijistar said, "mas so vou jogar aqui"
seijistar said, "boa sorte pra nos"
seijistar said, "vamoooooo"
sambhygreen: bets 23536 and is all-in
kasin: calls 23536
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sambhygreen: shows [Ah 5h] (a pair of Fives)
kasin: shows [7d Ts] (a pair of Sevens)
kasin collected 76822 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 76822 | Rake 0
Board [6d 7c Jh 5c 3h]
Seat 1: slyandhigh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: seijistar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ALEDENIRO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DomePB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dubpen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Horner07 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sambhygreen (small blind) showed [Ah 5h] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 8: kasin (big blind) showed [7d Ts] and won (76822) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: bigchongs79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:54 AM
kasin

PokerStars OPR Rank: 361,067 of 377,416

This is how he makes the call :(

ul Sam

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 01:55 AM
Yeah, I know I was going to bed!

samtheeagle
24-12-2007, 02:00 AM
He had been on my left for about 2 hours and I knew he was weak. When he doesnt reraise the turn I know he hasnt got the Jack because he had been very aggresive up to that point. I was only getting called if I was beat but felt he had to have one of the 3 remaining 4's in the pack to call and therefore I had value. Oh well.
Congrats on the win Paul.

oz_da II
24-12-2007, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Meant to come back to this by saying that I'm almost inclined to lay down to any re-raise in low-level limit. It doesn't seem that anyone really does it without a monster hand.

In saying that though I think the odds mean a call is in order here. Suspect you're losing this one though.

Player dependent folding to a re-raise with top pair is probably ev+, not so sure about over-pairs.

I was never folding this at any stage (both players are muppets) unless a king or ace hit the board, I felt I was missing some value by just calling. I called in the end and took the pot, "taiwanterror" showed pocket eights while "pshawny" showed ace high (big slick) he, funnily enough, ended up 200BB's down in one session (I got just under half of those 200BB's).

I'm thinking raising and then perhaps folding to a re-raise (or even calling) would have been the better option.

saul1664
24-12-2007, 11:06 AM
If you re-raise, you are open to a re-raise to get you off the hand unless you are prepared to definetely call the re-raise, so call is good here.

Strathclyde Eagle
24-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Without wishing to sound like one of his compatriots, oz = limit master. :p

Strathclyde Eagle
24-12-2007, 11:19 AM
Got one of those nice "have $40" e-mails from Party Poker.

Seriously oz, these are yet more games you'd clean up in. Look what this guy capped with!

0.50/1 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Mon Dec 24 05:50:31 EST 2007
Table Table 126278 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: BernieRich ( $20)
Seat 2: dope ( $29.10)
Seat 4: moi ( $25.60)
Seat 6: MrTiesco ( $19.85)
Seat 7: SuperKarten ( $23)
Seat 8: toto201 ( $15.39)
Seat 9: puzanov1964 ( $20.22)
SuperKarten posts small blind (0.25)
toto201 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to moi [ Ac, Ah ]
puzanov1964 folds
BernieRich folds
dope raises (1) to 1
moi raises (1.50) to 1.50
MrTiesco folds
SuperKarten folds
toto201 folds
dope raises (1) to 2
moi calls (0.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, 4c, Ks ]
dope bets (0.50)
moi raises (1) to 1
dope calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
dope checks
moi bets (1)
dope calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
dope bets (1)
moi raises (2) to 2
dope calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $12.15 | Rake: $0.60
Board: [ 3s 4c Ks Jd 5c ]
BernieRich balance $20, didn't bet (folded)
dope balance $23.10, lost $6 [ Ad 5d ] [ a pair of Fives -- Ad,Ks,Jd,5d,5c ]
moi balance $31.75, bet $6, collected $12.15, net +$6.15 [ Ac Ah ] [ a pair of Aces -- Ac,Ah,Ks,Jd,5c ]
MrTiesco balance $19.85, didn't bet (folded)
SuperKarten balance $22.75, lost $0.25 (folded)
toto201 balance $14.89, lost $0.50 (folded)
puzanov1964 balance $20.22, didn't bet (folded)

DANCOO
24-12-2007, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II

I'm thinking raising and then perhaps folding to a re-raise (or even calling) would have been the better option.

I totally don't understand this. :confused:

I don't play limit, but surely there is always value to calling a river re-raise in limit?

Paul Romain
24-12-2007, 12:42 PM
Bum - last night has only got me up to 119 on OPR

Going to crack the top 100 if its the last thing I do

oz_da II
24-12-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I totally don't understand this. :confused:

I don't play limit, but surely there is always value to calling a river re-raise in limit?

If someone re-raises my raise on the river it is virtually 100% sure they're better than my QQ's (especially with two players still in the pot), I'd probably still call to see exactly what they got and make a note. As it goes that pot was very big and it was quite a dry board. I'm always calling but it would probably be ev-. Very close.

Was a very confusing hand and I was quite confident I was behind (as played I went into call down mode). I think I should have check raised the turn.

oz_da II
24-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Got one of those nice "have $40" e-mails from Party Poker.

Seriously oz, these are yet more games you'd clean up in. Look what this guy capped with!


Nice work, S_E. :p

So many morons cream themselves when they see an ace. But that's nothing, few weeks ago I recall losing a capped pre-flop hand holding kings against T5o. I think he hit two pair on the turn or something :moo:

I'm quite sure most of my money is made from ace chasers.

ozeagle
24-12-2007, 10:51 PM
shame on you Greg, playing poker on xmas day.

is there any end to this affliction?

saul1664
25-12-2007, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Nice work, S_E. :p

So many morons cream themselves when they see an ace. But that's nothing, few weeks ago I recall losing a capped pre-flop hand holding kings against T5o. I think he hit two pair on the turn or something :moo:

I'm quite sure most of my money is made from ace chasers.

Can't hack limit, seems a luck game to me.

saul1664
25-12-2007, 01:11 AM
Is PS cash play always this bad ...

PokerStars Game #14078745361: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/24 - 20:07:04 (ET)
Table 'Ani' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: iNeReaL ($69.90 in chips)
Seat 2: SharkBite07 ($52.75 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 ($56.05 in chips)
Seat 4: JayT06 ($51.30 in chips)
Seat 5: sampeipauli ($51.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Namre ($54 in chips)
JayT06: posts small blind $0.25
sampeipauli: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Td 9d]
Namre: folds
iNeReaL: raises $1.50 to $2
SharkBite07: folds
saul1664: calls $2
JayT06: folds
sampeipauli: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 7h Jh]
iNeReaL: bets $3
saul1664: calls $3
*** TURN *** [8d 7h Jh] [6c]
iNeReaL: checks
saul1664: bets $4.50
iNeReaL: raises $60.40 to $64.90 and is all-in
saul1664: calls $46.55 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [8d 7h Jh 6c] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
iNeReaL: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
saul1664: shows [Td 9d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
saul1664 collected $109.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $112.85 | Rake $3
Board [8d 7h Jh 6c 5d]
Seat 1: iNeReaL showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: SharkBite07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: saul1664 (button) showed [Td 9d] and won ($109.85) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 4: JayT06 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: sampeipauli (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Namre folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
25-12-2007, 01:15 AM
And again. Scared of K flush, but didn't expect AA.

PokerStars Game #14078808566: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/24 - 20:11:11 (ET)
Table 'Ani' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: iNeReaL ($47.55 in chips)
Seat 2: SharkBite07 ($50.35 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 ($107.95 in chips)
Seat 4: JayT06 ($61.40 in chips)
Seat 5: sampeipauli ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: Namre ($51.80 in chips)
SharkBite07: posts small blind $0.25
saul1664: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [8s Th]
JayT06: folds
sampeipauli: folds
Namre: calls $0.50
iNeReaL: folds
SharkBite07: folds
saul1664: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s Js 7c]
saul1664: checks
Namre: checks
*** TURN *** [9s Js 7c] [Ts]
saul1664: bets $1.50
Namre: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** [9s Js 7c Ts] [Qs]
saul1664: bets $4.50
Namre: raises $4.50 to $9
saul1664: calls $4.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Namre: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
saul1664: shows [8s Th] (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
saul1664 collected $21.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $22.25 | Rake $1.10
Board [9s Js 7c Ts Qs]
Seat 1: iNeReaL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SharkBite07 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: saul1664 (big blind) showed [8s Th] and won ($21.15) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 4: JayT06 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sampeipauli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Namre showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces

oz_da II
25-12-2007, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
And again. Scared of K flush, but didn't expect AA.


We've missed out here.
One card in the deck beats you, pop it up again.

oz_da II
25-12-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Can't hack limit, seems a luck game to me.

No luckier than any other form of poker.
Good players win money, bad players lose money.

I assume you received a few too many bad beats? ;)

oz_da II
25-12-2007, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by ozeagle
shame on you Greg, playing poker on xmas day.

is there any end to this affliction?

Don't tell me your going to do a CHE and start bible bashing? :o

I see you've been posting up salt mine tips on the saviour's birthday. :clown:

ozeagle
25-12-2007, 07:30 AM
need to do something in between peeling prawns and basting the turkey.

helps Mum's internet is adjacent the kitchen.

saul1664
25-12-2007, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
No luckier than any other form of poker.
Good players win money, bad players lose money.

I assume you received a few too many bad beats? ;)

No, never got into it to be honest, find it boring, but aware it can be profitable.

saul1664
25-12-2007, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
We've missed out here.
One card in the deck beats you, pop it up again.

Yes, too passive. If he had raised preflop I would have pushed all in with st8 flush, but since he limped he could have had anything and raised (???) on river.

Paul Romain
26-12-2007, 03:03 PM
Not bad for the first hand of a tourney :D



PokerStars Game #14107148954: Tournament #71071267, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/12/26 - 09:02:02 (ET)
Table '71071267 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: shijo kingo (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: here2win2003 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: bigspeed14 (1600 in chips)
Seat 4: DPepe21 (1270 in chips)
Seat 5: jim5432 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: russsten712 (1670 in chips)
Seat 7: said777 (1570 in chips)
Seat 8: schobbejak (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: DARLENEROB (1440 in chips)
russsten712: posts small blind 10
said777: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Kd As]
schobbejak: calls 20
DARLENEROB: folds
shijo kingo: folds
here2win2003: folds
bigspeed14: calls 20
DPepe21: raises 140 to 160
jim5432: raises 240 to 400
russsten712: calls 390
said777: folds
schobbejak: folds
bigspeed14: folds
DPepe21: raises 870 to 1270 and is all-in
jim5432: raises 200 to 1470 and is all-in
russsten712: calls 1070
*** FLOP *** [4d 6c Jd]
*** TURN *** [4d 6c Jd] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [4d 6c Jd Jc] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
russsten712: shows [9d 9h] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
jim5432: shows [Kd As] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
jim5432 collected 400 from side pot
DPepe21: shows [8d 8c] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
DPepe21 is sitting out
jim5432 collected 3870 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4270 Main pot 3870. Side pot 400. | Rake 0
Board [4d 6c Jd Jc Ad]
Seat 1: shijo kingo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: here2win2003 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bigspeed14 folded before Flop
Seat 4: DPepe21 showed [8d 8c] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights
Seat 5: jim5432 (button) showed [Kd As] and won (4270) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 6: russsten712 (small blind) showed [9d 9h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 7: said777 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: schobbejak folded before Flop
Seat 9: DARLENEROB folded before Flop (didn't bet)

David Amsalem
26-12-2007, 05:21 PM
Palace give away pen :(
Doyle runs up but 4 of a kind softens the blow :)
SPERONI SAVE - does life get better? :p
Yep, opponent re-raises :D

What a great minute of my life, lol.

saul1664
26-12-2007, 08:54 PM
wtf?

PokerStars Game #14113921901: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/26 - 15:47:41 (ET)
Table 'Alcinoos III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: AlexanderT ($96.95 in chips)
Seat 2: hooter27 ($16.80 in chips)
Seat 3: koperdraadje ($39.65 in chips)
Seat 4: fakefface ($56.05 in chips)
Seat 5: saul1664 ($41.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Ronin222 ($110.45 in chips)
AlexanderT: posts small blind $0.25
hooter27: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [9c 4c]
koperdraadje: raises $0.50 to $1
fakefface: raises $2 to $3
saul1664: folds
Ronin222: folds
AlexanderT: folds
hooter27: calls $2.50
koperdraadje: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Jd 5h Jc]
hooter27: checks
koperdraadje: bets $4
fakefface: folds
hooter27: raises $4 to $8
koperdraadje: raises $4 to $12
hooter27: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Jd 5h Jc] [Td]
hooter27: checks
koperdraadje: bets $4.50
hooter27: calls $1.80 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Jd 5h Jc Td] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hooter27: shows [7s Ks] (a pair of Jacks)
koperdraadje: shows [Kc 9s] (a pair of Jacks - King+Ten+Nine kicker)
koperdraadje collected $35.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.85 | Rake $1.75
Board [Jd 5h Jc Td 8d]
Seat 1: AlexanderT (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: hooter27 (big blind) showed [7s Ks] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 3: koperdraadje showed [Kc 9s] and won ($35.10) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: fakefface folded on the Flop
Seat 5: saul1664 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ronin222 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

David Amsalem
26-12-2007, 11:35 PM
Argh, somebody just hit a two outer on the river for a huge pot against me. How frustrating.

Must. Not. Tilt.

SamTheOldGoat
27-12-2007, 11:51 AM
Merry Christmas everyone :)

Been away at a country club for lots of golf and leisure time so no play.

Playing the £200 freezeout at Big Slick on Saturday if anyone wants a game, great structure. :)

iamanuplander
27-12-2007, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Merry Christmas everyone :)

Been away at a country club for lots of golf and leisure time so no play.

Playing the £200 freezeout at Big Slick on Saturday if anyone wants a game, great structure. :)

How much do you need in you poker bankroll to be comfortable with buying straight into a £200 Tourney?! I have just started out and that is not a question as to how much you have but is a question of how much i should have to be comfortable with paying up that money and not taking it too seriously if i have KK first hand of it and get done over with AA hehe.

I know i can't afford that at the moment but i would if i could, cheers for the offer :)

First time i have posted in a while Sam as well. Bought my Bro a playstation 3 with some poker winnings and been at that all xmas. :p

iamanuplander
27-12-2007, 03:14 PM
oh yeh almost forgot merry xmas everyone and Sam you must be itching to play poker :)

oz_da II
27-12-2007, 03:28 PM
Sat myself down for a sesion of multi-tabling and encountered this hand first up (got good data on a few of these clowns). Had me shaking my head for ages. Typical buffoon you encounter at the low-limits on Titan.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Starting a new hand (#774514687)
Texas Holdem Limit $0.50/$1 - 2007-12-27 10:45:34 Server
Table "TURBO" Umzumbe
Seat 1: enzodu18 ( $4.55 )
Seat 3: Tipler ( $11.70 )
Seat 5: Patzfix ( $26.10 )
Seat 6: hellen ( $7.75 )
Seat 8: DudMcManus ( $40 )
Seat 10: Pokerface60 ( $25.85 )
hellen posts Small Blind $0.25
DudMcManus posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards
Your cards Jc 9s [DudMcManus]
Pokerface60 calls $0.50
enzodu18 raises $1
Patzfix folds
hellen folds
DudMcManus calls $0.50
Pokerface60 calls $0.50
Dealing Flop 8c 2d 9h
DudMcManus checks
Pokerface60 checks
enzodu18 checks
Dealing Turn 8c 2d 9h 2s
DudMcManus checks
Pokerface60 bets $1
enzodu18 calls $1
DudMcManus raises $2
Pokerface60 calls $1
enzodu18 calls $1
Dealing River 8c 2d 9h 2s Jh
DudMcManus bets $1
Pokerface60 calls $1
enzodu18 folds
Pokerface60 shows Kc Kh
Winner is Pokerface60 $10.60

saul1664
27-12-2007, 03:37 PM
Merry pokermas. Anyone laying these down at any stage ...

PokerStars Game #14130297285: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/12/27 - 10:31:22 (ET)
Table 'Cunitza' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: mauripoco ($38.95 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Spoons060805 ($63.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Optimus Ed ($54 in chips)
Seat 6: MagnusTT ($40.50 in chips)
Optimus Ed: posts small blind $0.25
MagnusTT: posts big blind $0.50
moxid: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kc Kd]
mauripoco: raises $1 to $1.50
saul1664: raises $3 to $4.50
Spoons060805: folds
Optimus Ed: folds
MagnusTT: folds
mauripoco: raises $3.50 to $8
saul1664: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [9c 5c Td]
mauripoco: checks
saul1664: bets $12
mauripoco: raises $18.95 to $30.95 and is all-in
saul1664: calls $18.95
*** TURN *** [9c 5c Td] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [9c 5c Td 7d] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mauripoco: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
saul1664: mucks hand
mauripoco collected $76.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $78.65 | Rake $2
Board [9c 5c Td 7d Qh]
Seat 2: mauripoco showed [Ac Ah] and won ($76.65) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: saul1664 mucked [Kc Kd]
Seat 4: Spoons060805 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Optimus Ed (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MagnusTT (big blind) folded before Flop

oz_da II
27-12-2007, 03:40 PM
Nope, without a read, I play for stacks pre-flop.
Stick it all in.

DANCOO
27-12-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Sat myself down for a sesion of multi-tabling and encountered this hand first up (got good data on a few of these clowns). Had me shaking my head for ages. Typical buffoon you encounter at the low-limits on Titan.

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Starting a new hand (#774514687)
Texas Holdem Limit $0.50/$1 - 2007-12-27 10:45:34 Server
Table "TURBO" Umzumbe
Seat 1: enzodu18 ( $4.55 )
Seat 3: Tipler ( $11.70 )
Seat 5: Patzfix ( $26.10 )
Seat 6: hellen ( $7.75 )
Seat 8: DudMcManus ( $40 )
Seat 10: Pokerface60 ( $25.85 )
hellen posts Small Blind $0.25
DudMcManus posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards
Your cards Jc 9s [DudMcManus]
Pokerface60 calls $0.50
enzodu18 raises $1
Patzfix folds
hellen folds
DudMcManus calls $0.50
Pokerface60 calls $0.50
Dealing Flop 8c 2d 9h
DudMcManus checks
Pokerface60 checks
enzodu18 checks
Dealing Turn 8c 2d 9h 2s
DudMcManus checks
Pokerface60 bets $1
enzodu18 calls $1
DudMcManus raises $2
Pokerface60 calls $1
enzodu18 calls $1
Dealing River 8c 2d 9h 2s Jh
DudMcManus bets $1
Pokerface60 calls $1
enzodu18 folds
Pokerface60 shows Kc Kh
Winner is Pokerface60 $10.60

Passive....that's borderline comatose!

saul1664
27-12-2007, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Nope, without a read, I play for stacks pre-flop.
Stick it all in.

The check on the flop is good, when he raises my $12 bet, I did expect to see aces, but no chance of folding. Got AA about 4 hands later (1st AA in over 500 hands), everyone folds around to me but one, who hit trip 6s. Meh.

iamanuplander
28-12-2007, 05:45 AM
Need your help with this one guys. I'm pretty confident my pre flop play was spot on here, but was my flop bet too strong? Shud i try milking him? Honestly have no good idea what he had.


Game #4770767383: Hold'em NL ($2/$5) - 2007/12/28 - 05:37:10 (UK)
Table "Claire" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Ant040689 ($589.75 in chips)
Seat 2: z4muz ($453.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Mikkemus ($577 in chips)
Seat 4: Yomo27041 ($220.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Trans4m ($481.25 in chips)
Seat 6: mymaximus ($742.35 in chips)
Ant040689: posts small blind $2
z4muz: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Kd Kc]
Mikkemus: folds
Mikkemus sits out
Yomo27041: calls $5
Mikkemus sits back
Trans4m: folds
mymaximus: raises to $25
Ant040689: raises to $60
z4muz: folds
Yomo27041: folds
mymaximus: calls $35
----- FLOP ----- [Jh 3c 6h]
Ant040689: bets $100
mymaximus: folds
Returned uncalled bets $100 to Ant040689
Ant040689: doesn't show hand
Ant040689 collected $127 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $130 Main pot $127 Rake $3
Board [Jh 3c 6h]
Seat 1: Ant040689 (small blind) collected $127
Seat 2: z4muz (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mikkemus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Yomo27041 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Trans4m folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mymaximus (button) folded on the Flop

oz_da II
28-12-2007, 08:44 AM
It's fine. Well played.

Gav The Hamster
28-12-2007, 11:09 AM
Pre flop is fine.

You have the decision to either try and milk him and check the flop but risk letting him catch a card that might beat you or do what you did and take it down.

It's far better to take win $60 profit in a pot with KK rather than lose your whole stack.

Strathclyde Eagle
28-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Thirded.

citizen sane
28-12-2007, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Gav The Hamster


It's far better to take win $60 profit in a pot with KK rather than lose your whole stack.

Always.

citizen sane
28-12-2007, 12:03 PM
Hope everyone had a good christmas :)

citizen sane
28-12-2007, 12:28 PM
I'm finding this scenario a bit frustrating. Play ok in a tournament reach the money and then go card dead or end up on a table with huge stacks who raise every pot and when I get hands they don't seem to hold up.

My in the money finishes are at 21% which I don't think is that bad considering the average field is 1500 ish. I do tend to play low buy-in tournies.

Last nights $45,000 on stars was a classic example. I was doing alright for chips, in the money and my table image was so tight I was able to steal the blinds about once an orbit by doing nothing more than minimum raising. Then I got seriously donked by some idiot who got pot-committed and caught his 2 outer on the river.

The next hand I was at another table short stacked and this happened.

*********** # 91 **************PokerStars Game #14141545840: Tournament #71192077, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2007/12/27 - 19:58:05 (ET)Table '71192077 216' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: dcookie (86623 in chips)
Seat 2: TheHu5tla (34000 in chips)
Seat 3: nd-bgner (24908 in chips)
Seat 4: the hofff (52906 in chips)
Seat 5: HB13 (77639 in chips)
Seat 6: jamie1966 (18250 in chips)
Seat 7: montdag (31935 in chips)
Seat 8: Kevin_2384 (33740 in chips) Seat 9:
lendusachip (25969 in chips) dcookie: posts the ante 300
TheHu5tla: posts the ante 300nd-
bgner: posts the ante 300
the hofff: posts the ante
300HB13: posts the ante 300jamie1966: posts the ante
300montdag: posts the ante 300
Kevin_2384: posts the ante
300lendusachip: posts the ante 300
Kevin_2384: posts small blind
1500lendusachip: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jamie1966 [As Qd]
dcookie: raises 5000 to 8000
TheHu5tla: folds
nd-bgner: folds
the hofff: folds
HB13: folds
jamie1966: raises 9950 to 17950 and is all-in
montdag: folds Kevin_2384: folds
lendusachip: folds
dcookie: calls 9950
*** FLOP *** [6c 9s 5s]
*** TURN *** [6c 9s 5s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [6c 9s 5s 8d] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dcookie: shows [5d 5h] (a full house, Fives full of Eights)j
jamie1966: shows [As Qd] (a pair of Eights)dcookie collected 43100 from pot
"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 43100 | Rake 0 Board [6c 9s 5s 8d 8s]
Seat 1: dcookie showed [5d 5h] and won (43100) with a full house, Fives full of Eights
Seat 2: TheHu5tla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nd-bgner folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: the hofff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: HB13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jamie1966 showed [As Qd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 7: montdag (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kevin_2384 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: lendusachip (big blind) folded before Flop


Now I don't think I had a choice but to push with that hand but a lot of my tournies seem to end this way just when I need a hand to hold up and let me accumulate chips and push on for the final table . So am I doing something wrong or is it just unlucky.

saul1664
28-12-2007, 12:34 PM
The one thing you could say is that the raise before you signifies a hand (though not a strong one), and you could pass and try to push into an unraised pot rather than call a raise, though on the other hand you have very few chances left with blind levels so the push with AQ is fine and you've just lost the race.

Gav The Hamster
28-12-2007, 12:38 PM
Looks like you're just a little unlucky CS. I dont play tourneys but I would think you have to have all your 50/50 prefops to hold up to get in the money. I am sure it evens up over time.

I guess with the blinds being so high in relation to your chip stack, AQ is nigh on impossible to pass. The tourney pros will be able to confirm whether or not your play was right, personally I think it was.

You cant expect him to fold his 55 either as like you say he is pot committed.

oz_da II
28-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Now I don't think I had a choice but to push with that hand but a lot of my tournies seem to end this way just when I need a hand to hold up and let me accumulate chips and push on for the final table . So am I doing something wrong or is it just unlucky.

With out a read that's fine and you'd be pretty happy to see the 5's.

Strathclyde Eagle
28-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Don't see anything wrong with that play either.

Paul Romain
28-12-2007, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
I'm finding this scenario a bit frustrating. Play ok in a tournament reach the money and then go card dead or end up on a table with huge stacks who raise every pot and when I get hands they don't seem to hold up.

My in the money finishes are at 21% which I don't think is that bad considering the average field is 1500 ish. I do tend to play low buy-in tournies.

Last nights $45,000 on stars was a classic example. I was doing alright for chips, in the money and my table image was so tight I was able to steal the blinds about once an orbit by doing nothing more than minimum raising. Then I got seriously donked by some idiot who got pot-committed and caught his 2 outer on the river.

The next hand I was at another table short stacked and this happened.

*********** # 91 **************PokerStars Game #14141545840: Tournament #71192077, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2007/12/27 - 19:58:05 (ET)Table '71192077 216' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: dcookie (86623 in chips)
Seat 2: TheHu5tla (34000 in chips)
Seat 3: nd-bgner (24908 in chips)
Seat 4: the hofff (52906 in chips)
Seat 5: HB13 (77639 in chips)
Seat 6: jamie1966 (18250 in chips)
Seat 7: montdag (31935 in chips)
Seat 8: Kevin_2384 (33740 in chips) Seat 9:
lendusachip (25969 in chips) dcookie: posts the ante 300
TheHu5tla: posts the ante 300nd-
bgner: posts the ante 300
the hofff: posts the ante
300HB13: posts the ante 300jamie1966: posts the ante
300montdag: posts the ante 300
Kevin_2384: posts the ante
300lendusachip: posts the ante 300
Kevin_2384: posts small blind
1500lendusachip: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jamie1966 [As Qd]
dcookie: raises 5000 to 8000
TheHu5tla: folds
nd-bgner: folds
the hofff: folds
HB13: folds
jamie1966: raises 9950 to 17950 and is all-in
montdag: folds Kevin_2384: folds
lendusachip: folds
dcookie: calls 9950
*** FLOP *** [6c 9s 5s]
*** TURN *** [6c 9s 5s] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [6c 9s 5s 8d] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dcookie: shows [5d 5h] (a full house, Fives full of Eights)j
jamie1966: shows [As Qd] (a pair of Eights)dcookie collected 43100 from pot
"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 43100 | Rake 0 Board [6c 9s 5s 8d 8s]
Seat 1: dcookie showed [5d 5h] and won (43100) with a full house, Fives full of Eights
Seat 2: TheHu5tla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: nd-bgner folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: the hofff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: HB13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jamie1966 showed [As Qd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 7: montdag (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kevin_2384 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: lendusachip (big blind) folded before Flop


Now I don't think I had a choice but to push with that hand but a lot of my tournies seem to end this way just when I need a hand to hold up and let me accumulate chips and push on for the final table . So am I doing something wrong or is it just unlucky.

I think I would probably have done the same thing. The only thing that might have made me stop to think is that the initial raiser is under the gun and as big stack may have been playing a genuine utg type hand here - AA,KK,QQ,AK all have you in poor shape. In fact I think his play is pretty poor here because he should be expecting someone to shove on him with all the shortstacks behind him.

If I had 10-12 big blinds I may have waited to get chips in first in another spot but down to 6 I think you had to play this

iamanuplander
28-12-2007, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
I think I would probably have done the same thing. The only thing that might have made me stop to think is that the initial raiser is under the gun and as big stack may have been playing a genuine utg type hand here - AA,KK,QQ,AK all have you in poor shape. In fact I think his play is pretty poor here because he should be expecting someone to shove on him with all the shortstacks behind him.

If I had 10-12 big blinds I may have waited to get chips in first in another spot but down to 6 I think you had to play this

Agree with Paul here but may have been tempted to fold if i could find a better spot a little later on (i know the blinds are pressuring you). I like to avoid under the gun raisers with loads of chips because they won't hesitate to call your re raise. I would rather go all in with rags on or around the dealer button in your position if there is an unopened pot because your tight play would mean the blinds will normally fold and even if you do get a call its likely to be Ace High so you will be live. Doing this in my opinion is better because in all likelihood your going to take the blinds and even if you get called your only 40-35% underdog. These percentages are quite similar to the coin flip of AQ vs 55. But the difference being in the scenario i have stated ure likely to stay in the tournament with some nicely attained chips (albeit not a double up).

With your hand above your basically knowingly putting your life on the line on a 45-50% (not too sure) chance. I hate doing this in tournaments makes the game feel like a lottery, only playing these when i have to. And im starting to think i might have played your hand differently, but in no way shape or form would i say you played your hand "wrong". Im just trying to show you an alternative to the usual play which may turn out to be better for you.

citizen sane
29-12-2007, 09:55 AM
Cheers for the input lads, pretty much confirmed what I was thinking anyway.

iamuplander - I'd just moved table so I had no table image.

I hate coin-flips for all your stack in tournies also, but it would be very hard to go through a tournament with that many runners and not be in that position at some point.

Also when the blinds get that high its quite hard to find a position to steal when your short-stacked because;

1) the big stacks raise frequently.

2) My fold equity isn't much so I find myself getting called with A rags or KQ/ KJ any PP, etc. Which is great if you have a hand but chancy if your using your position to thieve with Q 10's or them sort of hands.

SamTheOldGoat
29-12-2007, 05:22 PM
Off for £200 FO and cash at Big Slick. Roll on a mega 'k win hopefully, if anyones around, pop on down. :)

David Amsalem
29-12-2007, 10:18 PM
Advice pleaseee...

Playing with a bankroll of $150 and playing the 10c/20c cash tables.

Long story short, lost to a mad man who called my 4x raise with 59 and flopped 678. Never in a million years did I put him on that but hey, thats poker. Anyway, when I got my chance to win my money back from the same idiot (who was giving me a lot of stick), I had KK UTG, raised 4x BB, he re-raised double so I moved all in and he called for approx $30 (how did he not realise he was behind given i) amount and ii) position where I raised?) - so he flipped over AQ and A on turn puts an end to that. Then had my trips beaten by somebody who hit a full house on river, argh.

Anyway, not posting a bad beat, but these two beats have affected my bankroll dramatically. To play cash at 10c/20c (start with $20) - what should my bank roll be? I mean, naturally, if I continue the way I play, I'll get back "up" again but what if the bank rolls runs out before that and I go broke?

Advice on bankroll pleaseeeee :p

Strathclyde Eagle
29-12-2007, 10:22 PM
Recommended link from Sam previously:
http://www.pocketfives.com/5C57520F-8A89-43F3-97E6-54D240CB3E59.aspx

I'd also recommend getting a Furl (www.furl.net) account and keeping a copy there for handy reference.

David Amsalem
29-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Cheers mate, will have a browse.

saul1664
29-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Do I play this hand badly. When he went out, he berated me for about 15 minutes afterwards, telling me I hit a 3 outer (I make it 9 outs)...

PokerStars Game #14185133335: Tournament #71071761, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/12/29 - 17:37:25 (ET)
Table '71071761 408' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ultra_tk (1805 in chips)
Seat 2: Roppurt (2875 in chips)
Seat 3: emkey (2215 in chips)
Seat 4: vince2r2 (1505 in chips)
Seat 5: pliniofonte (1705 in chips)
Seat 6: RFHermann (1405 in chips)
Seat 7: kalinsc1 (1230 in chips)
Seat 8: saul1664 (2960 in chips)
Seat 9: dlover1030 (1820 in chips)
Roppurt: posts small blind 25
emkey: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kh Js]
vince2r2: folds
pliniofonte: folds
RFHermann: folds
kalinsc1: folds
saul1664: calls 50
dlover1030: folds
ultra_tk: calls 50
Roppurt: folds
emkey: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s 7c Jh]
emkey: checks
saul1664: bets 200
ultra_tk: folds
emkey: raises 1965 to 2165 and is all-in
saul1664: calls 1965
*** TURN *** [3s 7c Jh] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [3s 7c Jh Kd] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
emkey: shows [Jc 3d] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
saul1664: shows [Kh Js] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
saul1664 collected 4505 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4505 | Rake 0
Board [3s 7c Jh Kd Ts]
Seat 1: ultra_tk (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Roppurt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: emkey (big blind) showed [Jc 3d] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 4: vince2r2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pliniofonte folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: RFHermann folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kalinsc1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: saul1664 showed [Kh Js] and won (4505) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 9: dlover1030 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Paul Romain
29-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Chip leader in Star $50 rebuy - ch0ppy on my right, lilholdem on my left. This may take some winning...

saul1664
29-12-2007, 11:52 PM
Fecking hell, this for a double up to 20K.

PokerStars Game #14186693656: Tournament #71071761, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/12/29 - 18:48:54 (ET)
Table '71071761 408' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ultra_tk (8409 in chips)
Seat 2: acemike (7458 in chips)
Seat 3: Fun Locke (10624 in chips)
Seat 4: counet29 (9725 in chips)
Seat 5: pliniofonte (7795 in chips)
Seat 6: WredeN (9930 in chips)
Seat 7: JIGGA420 (5303 in chips)
Seat 8: saul1664 (10423 in chips)
Seat 9: johnlocke36 (13074 in chips)
ultra_tk: posts the ante 25
acemike: posts the ante 25
Fun Locke: posts the ante 25
counet29: posts the ante 25
pliniofonte: posts the ante 25
WredeN: posts the ante 25
JIGGA420: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
johnlocke36: posts the ante 25
WredeN: posts small blind 150
JIGGA420: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ac As]
saul1664: calls 300
johnlocke36: folds
ultra_tk: calls 300
acemike: folds
Fun Locke: folds
counet29: raises 600 to 900
pliniofonte: folds
WredeN: folds
JIGGA420: folds
saul1664: raises 9498 to 10398 and is all-in
ultra_tk: folds
counet29: calls 8800 and is all-in
JIGGA420 said, "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
*** FLOP *** [4d 7h 2h]
*** TURN *** [4d 7h 2h] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4d 7h 2h 5s] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Ac As] (a straight, Ace to Five)
counet29: shows [Ad Kh] (a straight, Ace to Five)
saul1664 collected 10188 from pot
counet29 collected 10187 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20375 | Rake 0
Board [4d 7h 2h 5s 3h]
Seat 1: ultra_tk folded before Flop
Seat 2: acemike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Fun Locke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: counet29 showed [Ad Kh] and won (10187) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 5: pliniofonte (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WredeN (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: JIGGA420 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: saul1664 showed [Ac As] and won (10188) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 9: johnlocke36 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Eagle Of Cray
30-12-2007, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Chip leader in Star $50 rebuy - ch0ppy on my right, lilholdem on my left. This may take some winning...

Happy Birthday Paul.

Paul Romain
30-12-2007, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Happy Birthday Paul.

Why thank you!

and I just reached the cash for $400ish for a nice little present!

eaglesrus
30-12-2007, 12:27 AM
Happy Birthday!

Just back from hols and the ski trip. Going to get back into the poker!

Is this live game still going to happen?!

Eagle Of Cray
30-12-2007, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
and I just reached the cash for $400ish for a nice little present!

Thanks very much but you should spend it on yourself :)

Paul Romain
30-12-2007, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
Thanks very much but you should spend it on yourself :)

If i can get a final table out of this one there should be some to spare! 10th of 18. big names in attendance though.

Paul Romain
30-12-2007, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
If i can get a final table out of this one there should be some to spare! 10th of 18. big names in attendance though.

that wont be happening though.....just made major cock-up

raised big blind allin from small blind with 58off - failing to notice the chip leader had opened from under the gun already (had been checking someones stats on OPR and just missed it completely) he called with 66

I am officially a DONKEY.

:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

saul1664
30-12-2007, 01:16 AM
easy mistake to make

iamanuplander
30-12-2007, 01:20 AM
Thats unlucky paul was just about to rail as i am in the watching mood, gonna put high stakes poker on in the minute i think. Unlucky in the sense that you have gone all that way but do sumthing as silly as that i have done it too many times, and feel ya pain :grrr: . But not for those stakes so very unlucky.

Was interested to know from you Paul what exactly is OPR and can you get this data on players from the cryptologic network (my main playing field playing field) Thought you would be in the know because you often mention it. Cheers.

saul1664
30-12-2007, 01:55 AM
What a crap way to get knocked out...

PokerStars Game #14189196714: Tournament #71071761, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2007/12/29 - 20:50:40 (ET)
Table '71071761 430' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: snoopie72 (99708 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (13811 in chips)
Seat 4: monoloco84 (14803 in chips)
Seat 5: poleaze (13280 in chips)
Seat 6: Dan_McCauley (93249 in chips)
Seat 7: crockodile (40222 in chips)
Seat 8: saggio6 (38518 in chips)
Seat 9: Twinklestarr (12540 in chips)
snoopie72: posts the ante 300
saul1664: posts the ante 300
monoloco84: posts the ante 300
poleaze: posts the ante 300
Dan_McCauley: posts the ante 300
crockodile: posts the ante 300
saggio6: posts the ante 300
Twinklestarr: posts the ante 300
Twinklestarr: posts small blind 1500
snoopie72: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ac As]
saul1664: raises 10511 to 13511 and is all-in
monoloco84: folds
poleaze: folds
Dan_McCauley: folds
crockodile: raises 26411 to 39922 and is all-in
saggio6: folds
Twinklestarr: folds
snoopie72: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc Qc 4c]
Dastrey is connected
*** TURN *** [Kc Qc 4c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Qc 4c Qd] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
crockodile: shows [Kh Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
crockodile collected 33922 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 33922 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Qc 4c Qd 3s]
Seat 1: snoopie72 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: saul1664 showed [Ac As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 4: monoloco84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: poleaze folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Dan_McCauley folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: crockodile showed [Kh Kd] and won (33922) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 8: saggio6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Twinklestarr (small blind) folded before Flop

saul1664
30-12-2007, 01:57 AM
3 chances to double through when I had 10K as well, QQ vs 88 done by 8 on turn, AA vs AK makes split pot with runner runner straight and then that one. No way he ever lays kings down, just bad luck.

oz_da II
30-12-2007, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Do I play this hand badly. When he went out, he berated me for about 15 minutes afterwards, telling me I hit a 3 outer (I make it 9 outs)...


Don't like limping in when first to act, not sure about calling the all in, did you expect to be ahead?

I make it 6 outs after the flop. 3no. K's, 3no. 7's
If the turn was a brick it would be 9 outs on the river.

saul1664
30-12-2007, 08:24 PM
I didn't like the bet and put him on a steal which is why I called, probably wouldn't have called if I put him on 2 pair.