Online Poker Thread [Archive] - Page 47

oz_da II

03-02-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
sit and go 4 left. I have 1K in chips, unopened pot, push all in with K8, called with 69 by big stack who has 4K, he spikes a 9 to send me out on the turn. Asked why he calls with 69, tells me I have chips you don't. Is that a reason to risk 25% of your stack as an underdog?

Not the worst play of all time. It depends a lot on what he puts your range at, if your range is any pair, any broadway, any suited (looks like you were none of the above) then he's about 60-40. Against a range of random hands he's 55-45. Against your hand he's 62-38. A chance to knock out a player when you think you've got two live cards and you won't be crippled is never too bad of a play.

saul1664

03-02-2008, 11:23 PM

just gone out of another s&g, see BBV for details, same player twice.

Get all in with AA on a 22Q board, he calls all in with 10J then hits runner runner straight. Then I go all in with JJ vs 25 offsuit, hits straight again. Obviously playing the wrong game. :rolleyes:

Chester

03-02-2008, 11:37 PM

That double up helps :)

Paul Romain

03-02-2008, 11:47 PM

That however didnt. Thought J10s was unlikely to be dominated by the raiser and with the dead money in pot it was as good a spot as any to make a stand. Not to be though

RichieG

04-02-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
sit and go 4 left. I have 1K in chips, unopened pot, push all in with K8, called with 69 by big stack who has 4K, he spikes a 9 to send me out on the turn. Asked why he calls with 69, tells me I have chips you don't. Is that a reason to risk 25% of your stack as an underdog?

Absolutely standard as big stack on the bubble, you should have been happy to get the call with K8! In that situation I think both your push and his call are correct.

Get yourself a copy of SnG Wiz, or similar ICM calculator for push/fold equity calculations.

saul1664

04-02-2008, 10:02 AM

Bubble was 2 left, not 1. With both other stacks at 2K, seems like a risky play to me. Where do I read these other things?

RichieG

04-02-2008, 12:45 PM

They're software programs that help you calculate whether pushing/folding or calling a push is best. Best place to look is the SnG forum on 2+2, but I think SnG wiz can be got at....

www.sngwiz.com

and another highly rated one is....

http://sitngo-analyzer.com/

Apparently they are indispensable if you want to refine your endgame play in SnGs. Personally I tend to just push any two ;)

curly c.p.f.c

04-02-2008, 07:28 PM

About to try to sign up to Labrokes site later tonight, will anyone benefit if I say you recommended me? and can I play for free as never played online before.

RichieG

05-02-2008, 07:09 AM

If I'm not too late, I think I would benefit......RichieG1976

If you haven't signed up yet let me know as I think there's an additional bonus if I get them to e-mail you. :)

curly c.p.f.c

05-02-2008, 07:52 AM

PM sent RichieG

eaglesrus

05-02-2008, 06:32 PM

Any one playing on the APAT tournament tonight? I'm going for second time lucky!

eaglesrus

05-02-2008, 08:05 PM

Bit annoyed. Had aces. Raised pre flop. he reraised. i went all in. he called. he had 64 and hit two pair!
went down to about 900 thouh have played well and back up to just below 4k at the break. would of been on around 11k and in the lead. going to have to play some good poker now to get anywhere!

eaglesrus

05-02-2008, 08:15 PM

Buted. tried to make a stand with a5. ran into 77. caught a 5 but no other help. will try again tomos!

Paul Romain

05-02-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
Any one playing on the APAT tournament tonight? I'm going for second time lucky!

Didnt know there was one!

gl Tim

Paul Romain

05-02-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Didnt know there was one!

gl Tim

ah...bit late :(

eaglesrus

06-02-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
ah...bit late :(

Indeed!

There is another on on tonight at 8. You going to be around?

I promise (maybe) not to raise you this time!

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
Indeed!

There is another on on tonight at 8. You going to be around?

I promise (maybe) not to raise you this time!

I've just registered for about a dozen satellites to FTOPS 1 so I may be a bit overloaded. I'll see come the time...

Incidentally it looks like my $31k win has just dropped out of my ranking points!!

"Full Tilt Poker OPR Rank: 360 of 219,901"

88 to 360 in one fell swoop :(

eaglesrus

06-02-2008, 04:06 PM

No probs. Would be good if your on there, hopefully we could both get through!

That is certainly a drop.

Going to have to start looking to play in some of these full tilt satellites. could do with that one big win!

Chester

06-02-2008, 05:11 PM

Good luck Paul, i dont mind railing a has been if you get in tonight

Eagle Of Cray

06-02-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Chester
i dont mind railing a has been

:)

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Chester
Good luck Paul, i dont mind railing a has been if you get in tonight

Got in at first attempt so the rest of the sats are for cash now :)

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 05:23 PM

Forgot theres a freeroll on BSq to the GUKPT tonight at 8 too

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Forgot theres a freeroll on BSq to the GUKPT tonight at 8 too

pw Brum08

Chester

06-02-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Got in at first attempt so the rest of the sats are for cash now :)

;)

David Amsalem

06-02-2008, 05:32 PM

Ignore.

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by David Amsalem
Ignore.

scheduled tournaments/freerolls/poker player freeroll

David Amsalem

06-02-2008, 05:44 PM

Bah, found it (was looking on Betfair originally :D ) but PW isn't valid, booo.

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by David Amsalem
Bah, found it (was looking on Betfair originally :D ) but PW isn't valid, booo.

Brum08
case sensitive

David Amsalem

06-02-2008, 05:47 PM

Yeah, still not working. I even tried copy and pasting, nevermind.

Thanks anyway.

eaglesrus

06-02-2008, 06:47 PM

Logged into that.800 people, the chance of winning that is remote. though i can hope!

eaglesrus

06-02-2008, 07:48 PM

Currently chip leader, 19 left.

GeeTee

06-02-2008, 07:50 PM

I was just on your table in the Poker Player freeroll Tim - for a millisecond! Keep getting moved.

Username is LimpDaddy.

eaglesrus

06-02-2008, 08:04 PM

At the first break. 19 left still and still at the front.

eaglesrus

06-02-2008, 09:11 PM

Got busted. went in with a 10 and got called by aj.

also got knocked out the apat tournament in 6th place.

frustrating on both accounts!

Chester

06-02-2008, 09:38 PM

Wow the hot deck goes to Paul

Spikes a 5 for the 2 outer, AK > KQ, K10>99

:lux:

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Chester
Wow the hot deck goes to Paul

Spikes a 5 for the 2 outer, AK > KQ, K10>99

:lux:

i would've just doubled up with JJ when 1010 played AQ and flop came Jxx....

if i hadnt folded to the raise and reraise!

Chester

06-02-2008, 09:56 PM

Shame :(

ill still rail you in the FTOPS though ;)

Paul Romain

06-02-2008, 09:56 PM

Don't say anything....:grrr:

David Amsalem

06-02-2008, 10:16 PM

ME shows [ 7h, Ks ] four of a kind, Eights
** Hand Conclusion **
ME wins 650 from main pot with four of a kind, Eights

LOL :p

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:04 AM

Nice starting table with B_O_K_E

Ill be here for a few hours any way.

Goodluck Paul :p

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Chester
Nice starting table with B_O_K_E

Ill be here for a few hours any way.

Goodluck Paul :p

I'm wishing I had never entered. Falling asleep already lol!

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:11 AM

Definitly a real late starter!

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:11 AM

good start...not

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:20 AM

Your chip count is meant to go ^

Tough start :(

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Chester
Your chip count is meant to go ^

Tough start :(

i'm :veryangry !!

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:21 AM

not playing well

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:24 AM

I suffer from a lack of self confidence - and when things start going wrong they tend to keep going wrong for a while!!

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:24 AM

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/puppies.jpg

Tilt buddy

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:25 AM

i dont get it but its very funny

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:27 AM

it works :lux:

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:34 AM

Wee

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:35 AM

just doubled up in $65k rebuy too :)

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 01:39 AM

good job i folded AQ there and let the JJand99 play. thought about reraising allin but i doubt the JJ would have folded

Chester

07-02-2008, 01:40 AM

And he has serious tilt issues as well, cant believe what a fricking whiner he is

Chester

07-02-2008, 02:06 AM

Nice recovery by first break. Noticed you have been playing a lot tonight.

Maybe just slight overkill and needed a bit of refreshment and a small break

Chester

07-02-2008, 02:22 AM

You do realise my evenings revolve around watching you on a computer. :D

After your drop in the rankings i feel like the black coach in Happy Gilmore

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Chester
Nice recovery by first break. Noticed you have been playing a lot tonight.

Maybe just slight overkill and needed a bit of refreshment and a small break

was trying to keep myself awake!

meanwhile the $65k and the $24k are both going well too now

Chester

07-02-2008, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
was trying to keep myself awake!

meanwhile the $65k and the $24k are both going well too now

:rolleyes:

Im not watching those as well

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Chester
:rolleyes:

Im not watching those as well

you've been missing all the good stuff :D

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 02:46 AM

not winning my races today :(

Chester

07-02-2008, 02:49 AM

That was a nasty one :(

Sorry Paul, good luck with the rest of them. I have about an hour left so will follow you in these

Chester

07-02-2008, 02:59 AM

Im not watching the last one. Im a curse!

Paul Romain

07-02-2008, 03:00 AM

Harrington on HoldEm Vol 2 is going in the bin in a minute!!!

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 06:11 PM

Wow, this thread has been very quiet! Thought it had been deleted as not use to seeing it so low down in the forun!
Playing in the Virgin satellite and APAT event tonight. Up to around 4.5 in the virgin at mo so moving along nicely!

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 06:55 PM

good point it has been quiet, so i think i will update this forum on my progress in a tourney for the first time and this is the biggie on will hill, the Sunday 40K.

Good luck in the tournies ure in eaglesrus btw. you look like the only one tht might be online to read any of my updates lol.

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 07:10 PM

Just crashed out in 35th of the virgin. played a couple of very bad hands and then 7s run into 10s with no help.

Down to APAT now!

Gd luck in yours!

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 07:17 PM

thats unlucky man, how you doing in the APAT

I got lucky in the sunday 40K got dealt aces and raised 5xBB then someone on tilt re raises all in i call he has 109 suited and i take the pot, started with 3000 chips now have 4280, but there rele is no point getting happy becos as we all know your fortune can change so quickly.

the £10,000 would be nice you know! lol

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 07:26 PM

Indeed!

Nothing exciting so far. No hands. Started with 3 k and still got 3k. hope to get some soon though!

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 07:36 PM

kl i have had nice hands AK and KK recently and never managed to get anything out of them, annoying really. They're not all they're cracked up to be methinks lol

my mind keeps straying as to how i could spend 10K i need to concentrate lol

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 08:04 PM

112 of 302 at first break

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 08:18 PM

Not to bad! got to be in it to win it!18 left and im in 7th at mo. only 1st gets the seat so going to be difficult, but hoepfully luck will be on my side!

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 08:21 PM

Wow. jj up against ak. k on the flop. the jack on the river saves me and I double up! maybe luck is on my side!!

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 08:35 PM

dont get too giddy m8 ure not invincible lol make sure you don't get blinded away but try and pick your spots, tht structure sounds tough (only top spot winning) so i guess u do have to take your chances.

Im 119 of 242 top 40 get paid but the payout gets very interesting on the final table so i might be chancing it for a spot on there, but we'll see.

Hope your luck stays with you btw

saul1664

10-02-2008, 08:36 PM

guess i'll be out of the 45K rebuy soon, got money all in pre flop AA vs JJ, first card out J. Doh.

saul1664

10-02-2008, 08:39 PM

oooooooooooh, just treble up KK called by KA and JA

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 08:46 PM

i was thoroughly bamboozled here

Game #5371139523: Sunday £40K (ID6378151) £110+£10 - Hold'em NL (75/150) - 2008/02/10 - 21:40:19 (UK)
Table "6378151 - 17" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: Ant040689 (4270 in chips)
Seat 2: mumlan3 (1115 in chips)
Seat 3: borg123 (10124 in chips)
Seat 4: Ivorking (3348 in chips)
Seat 5: DaRigger (2495 in chips)
Seat 6: Diana1981 (3270 in chips)
Seat 7: Wijk007 (4565 in chips)
Seat 8: Dounie (3998 in chips)
Seat 9: SirRaffay (7360 in chips)
Seat 10: 8eaver (5315 in chips)
Dounie: posts small blind 75
SirRaffay: posts big blind 150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Ts Th]
8eaver: folds
Ant040689: raises to 300
mumlan3: folds
borg123: folds
Ivorking: folds
DaRigger: folds
Diana1981: folds
Wijk007: folds
Dounie: calls 225
SirRaffay: folds
----- FLOP ----- [4c 8h 7d]
Dounie: checks
Ant040689: bets 750
Dounie: calls 750
----- TURN ----- [4c 8h 7d][Qh]
Dounie: bets 1500
Ant040689: folds
Returned uncalled bets 1,500 to Dounie
Dounie: doesn't show hand
Dounie collected 2250 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 2250 Main pot 2250 Rake 0
Board [4c 8h 7d Qh]
Seat 1: Ant040689 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: mumlan3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: borg123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Ivorking folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DaRigger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Diana1981 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Wijk007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Dounie (small blind) collected 2250
Seat 9: SirRaffay (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: 8eaver folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664

10-02-2008, 08:49 PM

min raise from early position, could have been called with absolutely anything

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 08:52 PM

well this table is incredibly tight so i thought a min raise wud get everybody out which it did apart from the big blind, as hes priced in he cud have anything, i say maybe 87. if i raised to 900 it wud have done the trick pre flop possibly. My bad and i have slipped down to:

147 of 201

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 08:59 PM

Onto the final table now. 10 left and in second place with 12k. This is my third out of fourth final table for this tournament. hopefully this time it will be the lucky one!

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:01 PM

9 left, up to 19k.

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:07 PM

Just started the second break. 9 left, second place with 17k, chip leader on 18k. Which way is it going to go?!

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 09:14 PM

its all u man take it home lol

me on the other hand into the second break in 139th of 161 so not looking tht rosy!

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:16 PM

Gone card dead. Down to 8 players but slipping back.

saul1664

10-02-2008, 09:20 PM

4343 out of 5513. Things can only get better.

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:23 PM

6 left, its just stealing time at the moment.

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:23 PM

5 left

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:27 PM

4 left, had qq against qa. ace hit , otherwise would of been 3 left and a big chip lead for me

iamanuplander

10-02-2008, 09:27 PM

went all in with 89 suited with 10BB left with the hope of being called by overcards so i was in decent shape but sumone got JJ and im out. Aww well maybe a little rush of blood to the head but i wanted a double up. Just didnt get it.

Gl to you saul and eaglesrus im off the comp now. bye.

saul1664

10-02-2008, 09:34 PM

Don't slow play trip Q...

PokerStars Game #15199539862: Tournament #76072676, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/02/10 - 17:32:03 (ET)
Table '76072676 597' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Stangboy91 (3985 in chips)
Seat 2: KeChara (14790 in chips)
Seat 3: QE12 (8615 in chips)
Seat 4: frogger1126 (10328 in chips)
Seat 5: LIVED IT (9570 in chips)
Seat 6: CraZzz_River (5002 in chips)
Seat 7: ishiiguro85 (570 in chips)
Seat 8: saul1664 (4215 in chips)
Seat 9: grayzee1 (3695 in chips)
Stangboy91: posts small blind 75
KeChara: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [8s 9d]
QE12: calls 150
frogger1126: folds
LIVED IT: calls 150
CraZzz_River: folds
ishiiguro85: folds
saul1664: folds
grayzee1: raises 1050 to 1200
Stangboy91: folds
KeChara: folds
QE12: calls 1050
LIVED IT: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th Qh 3d]
QE12: checks
grayzee1: bets 900
QE12: calls 900
*** TURN *** [Th Qh 3d] [4d]
QE12: checks
grayzee1: checks
*** RIVER *** [Th Qh 3d 4d] [Kh]
QE12: bets 1200
grayzee1: raises 395 to 1595 and is all-in
QE12: calls 395
*** SHOW DOWN ***
grayzee1: shows [Qd Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
QE12: shows [As Jd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
QE12 collected 7765 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7765 | Rake 0
Board [Th Qh 3d 4d Kh]
Seat 1: Stangboy91 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: KeChara (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: QE12 showed [As Jd] and won (7765) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 4: frogger1126 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: LIVED IT folded before Flop
Seat 6: CraZzz_River folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ishiiguro85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: saul1664 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: grayzee1 (button) showed [Qd Qc] and lost with three of a kind, Queens

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:35 PM

3 left

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:37 PM

2 left

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:43 PM

GET IN!!!!!!!!!

I am going to Europe!

saul1664

10-02-2008, 09:46 PM

cool. everytime i try a blind pot steal being reraised all in.

David Amsalem

10-02-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
GET IN!!!!!!!!!

I am going to Europe!

Well done :p

What happened?

eaglesrus

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by David Amsalem
Well done :p

What happened?

Just won the APAT satellite qualification so got a paid for trip out to Vienna in a few weeks to look forward to!

4th time of asking but got there in the end!

David Amsalem

10-02-2008, 09:57 PM

Good work mate.

saul1664

10-02-2008, 10:03 PM

What a sick river ...

PokerStars Game #15199872828: Tournament #76072676, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/10 - 18:01:03 (ET)
Table '76072676 597' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Stangboy91 (21036 in chips)
Seat 2: KeChara (12415 in chips)
Seat 3: QE12 (22518 in chips)
Seat 4: crashndent (750 in chips)
Seat 5: LIVED IT (7445 in chips)
Seat 6: corleone9999 (1725 in chips)
Seat 7: edfarrell (865 in chips)
Seat 8: saul1664 (2190 in chips)
Seat 9: ardenfast (8286 in chips)
Stangboy91: posts the ante 25
KeChara: posts the ante 25
QE12: posts the ante 25
crashndent: posts the ante 25
LIVED IT: posts the ante 25
corleone9999: posts the ante 25
edfarrell: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
ardenfast: posts the ante 25
KeChara: posts small blind 150
QE12: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kh Js]
crashndent: folds
LIVED IT: calls 300
corleone9999: folds
edfarrell: folds
saul1664: raises 1865 to 2165 and is all-in
ardenfast: folds
Stangboy91: folds
KeChara: folds
QE12: folds
LIVED IT: calls 1865
*** FLOP *** [4c Qc Ac]
*** TURN *** [4c Qc Ac] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qc Ac 2h] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LIVED IT: shows [Ad Qs] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
saul1664: shows [Kh Js] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
saul1664 collected 5005 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5005 | Rake 0
Board [4c Qc Ac 2h Tc]
Seat 1: Stangboy91 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: KeChara (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: QE12 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: crashndent folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: LIVED IT showed [Ad Qs] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 6: corleone9999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: edfarrell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: saul1664 showed [Kh Js] and won (5005) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 9: ardenfast folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664

10-02-2008, 10:37 PM

Crashed and burned. Got up to 10K, then lost half when QA got dominated by trip 10s on flop. Never got back and when pushed with A9 hearts, was happy to see two hearts on flop, less happy to see AK and didn't improve. Meh.

Strathclyde Eagle

10-02-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
GET IN!!!!!!!!!

I am going to Europe!
Is that an EPT event you've qualified for?

Nice work anyway. :p

SamTheOldGoat

10-02-2008, 11:44 PM

Congrats Tim! Superb stuff. I've had a great day online as well, up over a grand from 50/1 & 1/2 Omaha Hi-Lo. May come out and join you chap, can I buy in direct or what other options are there to play it?

eaglesrus

11-02-2008, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Is that an EPT event you've qualified for?

Nice work anyway. :p

If only! Hopefully that will be next year! This was for a APAT European event in Vienna.

Now all I need to do is get into that god dam Virgin tournament. I keep getting fairly close and then do a stupid move in the mid-end game, like calling an early all in raise from a relatively big stack when I am only holding AJ. I know not to it, there is no need to do it and yet I still do it!!! Tournament discipline out the window.

eaglesrus

11-02-2008, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Congrats Tim! Superb stuff. I've had a great day online as well, up over a grand from 50/1 & 1/2 Omaha Hi-Lo. May come out and join you chap, can I buy in direct or what other options are there to play it?

Well done mate, very impressive!

They still have a few online satellite's left. Think the next one is on Tuesday and then Wednesday at 8 on Blue Square.$30 buy in, though only generally 1 seat is on offer as there is one seat per 20 players entered.

I suspect that you will be able to buy in for the standard amount. Think they go on sale in a couple of weeks. Would be great if you could come out. We can try and get Paul Romain and have a mini palace tour out there! Will give Mark (from Cardiff) a call and see if he can be persuaded also. Should be a good weekend. If we all get knocked out early, at least we can also have a good lash up out there!

Chester

11-02-2008, 12:06 PM

Well done Eaglesrus.

Funny that Erik Lindgren managed to win his own FTOPS event last night. Defeated a ridiculous number of people to do it as well

gsaunders22

11-02-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
Well done mate, very impressive!

They still have a few online satellite's left. Think the next one is on Tuesday and then Wednesday at 8 on Blue Square.$30 buy in, though only generally 1 seat is on offer as there is one seat per 20 players entered.

I suspect that you will be able to buy in for the standard amount. Think they go on sale in a couple of weeks. Would be great if you could come out. We can try and get Paul Romain and have a mini palace tour out there! Will give Mark (from Cardiff) a call and see if he can be persuaded also. Should be a good weekend. If we all get knocked out early, at least we can also have a good lash up out there!

NIce work Tim:p

SamTheOldGoat

11-02-2008, 04:08 PM

Oh my gosh, up about another 700 since I came back from work playing HI LO again. Dancoo, get onto PP ASAP!

500bb pot was nice and took a large pot at another table. Damn I love clueless Germans, possibly a brag but ahhh well...Nads was playing crazy showing down air often...

***** Hand History for Game 6773749755 *****
$100 USD PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Monday, February 11, 11:56:58 ET 2008
Table Table 127103 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Nads17 ( $263.44 USD )
Seat 9: blop1 ( $330.85 USD )
Seat 5: DestroyinYoo ( $247.35 USD )
Seat 7: Virago68 ( $92.56 USD )
Seat 10: ILPAPSI ( $76.03 USD )
Seat 6: pongo_2054 ( $81.50 USD )
Seat 3: Naruto69 ( $12.33 USD )
Seat 8: Nighthand ( $131.05 USD )
Seat 1: MyNewNick ( $0 USD )
Seat 4: chiphead222 ( $100 USD )
pongo_2054 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Virago68 posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DestroyinYoo [ Jh Js Qs Kh ]
MyNewNick has left the table.
Nighthand folds
blop1 folds
ILPAPSI folds
LatinumNr1 has joined the table.
Nads17 raises [$3.50 USD]
Naruto69 folds
chiphead222 folds
DestroyinYoo raises [$12 USD]
pongo_2054 folds
Virago68 folds
Nads17 raises [$34 USD]
DestroyinYoo calls [$25.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, As, Ts ]
Nads17 bets [$73.50 USD]
DestroyinYoo is all-In [$209.85 USD]
Nads17 calls [$136.35 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Nads17 shows [ Ac, 5c, 2h, 5h ]two pairs, Aces and Kings.
DestroyinYoo shows [ Jh, Js, Qs, Kh ]a straight Ten to Ace.
DestroyinYoo wins $493.20 USD from the main pot with a straight, Ten to Ace.
There was no qualifying low hand

samtheeagle

12-02-2008, 04:05 AM

Havent posted on here for a while due to various reasons, mainly because I took a mini break because I was running so bad. Been playing live a few times a week at the grosvenor in Brighton and have bubbled so many times its sick! Anyhows started running good again today and yesterday. Refused to reload my Stars account after going broke and am back up to about $150 from playing with some of my FPP's! Nice work on the Apat Tim and on the cash results Sam.

SamTheOldGoat

12-02-2008, 07:30 AM

Thanks Sam :)

Well done to you too mate, I take it your doing those 70fpp tournies? Keep it up chap and GL in Brighton. I will be down in two weeks time if you want a game?

eaglesrus

12-02-2008, 09:46 AM

Sam, just had a check on the APAT site and the online tickets go on sale Monday evening. There are some live satellites tonight, tomorrow and Sunday. You going to try to qualify. Would be good if you could get out there, would be a good weekend?!

Paul Romain

12-02-2008, 09:49 AM

Great stuff Tim - your performances recently are just too good for me! Been taking a mini break after going fullscale tilt a few days back! just doing some reading and getting some discipline back in my head!

Will be having another go at APAT and starting to try the Virgin in earnest in a few days time - got a few things on at the moment so no time.

Saw Lindgren in FTOPS event when he was 1 of 8 left - staggering coincidence that he wins his own host event out of 5000+ runners!! A cool $250k+ as well I think?

eaglesrus

12-02-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Great stuff Tim - your performances recently are just too good for me! Been taking a mini break after going fullscale tilt a few days back! just doing some reading and getting some discipline back in my head!

Will be having another go at APAT and starting to try the Virgin in earnest in a few days time - got a few things on at the moment so no time.

Saw Lindgren in FTOPS event when he was 1 of 8 left - staggering coincidence that he wins his own host event out of 5000+ runners!! A cool $250k+ as well I think?

Thanks Paul!

Going to try the Virgin again this Sunday. The tournament is really bugging me. I find that I seem to be up against some really fishy players, who will call any raise/re-raise all the way. Determined to try to get through though!

Do you think your buy into the APAT event if you dont win the satellite? Would be good if a few of us are out there. An easter CPFC weekend in Austria sounds quite good fun!

Paul Romain

12-02-2008, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
Thanks Paul!

Going to try the Virgin again this Sunday. The tournament is really bugging me. I find that I seem to be up against some really fishy players, who will call any raise/re-raise all the way. Determined to try to get through though!

Do you think your buy into the APAT event if you dont win the satellite? Would be good if a few of us are out there. An easter CPFC weekend in Austria sounds quite good fun!

Cheap flights look difficult to come by for dates around the tourney so probably not

eaglesrus

12-02-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Cheap flights look difficult to come by for dates around the tourney so probably not

I have found a BA flight levaing on the Saturday Morning and returning on the Monday for £136 inc taxes. So reasonable. All in all it will prob cost around £300, for buy in , flights and two nights hotel stay?

SamTheOldGoat

12-02-2008, 11:22 AM

Is there a live qualifier tonight in Cardiff on the offchance mate?!?!

eaglesrus

12-02-2008, 12:54 PM

No live qualifiers for this tournament what so ever. Just the online satellites tonight, tomos and sunday. Then the tickets go on sale next monday!
Try your luck on the online one.. If I can win an online tournament then anyone can!

Paul Romain

12-02-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
I have found a BA flight levaing on the Saturday Morning and returning on the Monday for £136 inc taxes. So reasonable. All in all it will prob cost around £300, for buy in , flights and two nights hotel stay?

I'll think about it !

Son of Selhurst

12-02-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
[B
Saw Lindgren in FTOPS event when he was 1 of 8 left - staggering coincidence that he wins his own host event out of 5000+ runners!! A cool $250k+ as well I think? [/B]

Yeah, amazing eh?

oz_da II

12-02-2008, 01:11 PM

Pocket change for Lindgren.

But I'm sure it was rigged for him as FullTilt would want to rig it for their pros to keep them happy and thus risk losing the millions a day they make from the thousands of raked hands they accumulate each day...

SamTheOldGoat

12-02-2008, 01:50 PM

PMSL.

Cheers Tim, I may well come along mate..... is the structure any different?

eaglesrus

12-02-2008, 02:35 PM

Structure is exactly the same. Starts at 2.30 with 10k in chips. Its all on the apat site so just read it through there.

If I go out early then at least I can have a day looking around Austria. You should definitely think about coming, will be good fun!

Lord_Muffin

12-02-2008, 08:29 PM

Hi guys

I read this thread and the bad beat thread a lot and see that most of you are excellent players.

I am quite new to the game and still learning the ropes. I have read the Harrington books and the Doyle Brunson Super System.

I seem to just break even a lot at the moment. Is this quite normal for a beginner and will I turn a corner? I played for about an hour and half tonight on 0.5/0.10 tables and only made a £1!!! I played good solid stuff but never got any good cards. If I did get good cards my flops always missed! Online play seems very hard as you get so many limpers.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Keep up the good play. I get good advice just from reading some of the hand history.

Thanks

oz_da II

12-02-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Lord_Muffin
I seem to just break even a lot at the moment. Is this quite normal for a beginner and will I turn a corner? I played for about an hour and half tonight on 0.5/0.10 tables and only made a £1!!! I played good solid stuff but never got any good cards. If I did get good cards my flops always missed! Online play seems very hard as you get so many limpers.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

That $1 profit is actually pretty good for the stakes you are playing. No one would complain about getting 10BB's over what I'm assuming would be just over 100 hands.

Don't worry too much about missing flops, unless you are up against complete calling stations just keep c-betting and fold to any aggression.

Punish the limpers by raising pre-flop. Try to isolate.

saul1664

12-02-2008, 11:21 PM

Raise from late position with any two cards in an unraised pot, and bet the flop, whether you hit or miss (about 2/3rds of the pot), which should be enough to scoop up a few blinds and make a bit more money.

Chester

12-02-2008, 11:52 PM

Dont ever take any advice from me. I couldnt win a hand at the moment if i was the only on in it.

So frustrating

oz_da II

13-02-2008, 12:38 AM

What and where are you playing?

Chester

13-02-2008, 02:51 AM

i only play micro limits and tend to play SnG rather than cash as I dont really like playing cash online and at the moment only have a limited bankroll due to paying for other things and the nightmare that it is trying to get money online from here.

Part of the problem is playing micro limit as it is a complete crapshoot and I hate it. If anyone wanted to start playing on line my advice is to save a decent amount and play at a higher level. You will learn nothing playing at the bottom and it will kill any love you have for the game.

No one has a clue which means every hand you are in involves multiple people (at least 4 in a full ring).

Everyone limps every pot, and when for example you are in late position and raise with a raisable hand everyone just flats out your raise. No reraises to clear the limpers nothing so you end up with exactly the same number of people in the pot and no idea what anyone has.

It actually feels as though you are not playing poker as you sucked out at everypoint.

People have no idea about a single concept of poker at Micros and I would challenge any of the top players to play there for a week without flinging their computer at the wall.

I sit here and watch people bet 60 into an 800 pot and be called by 3 other people and sit there weeping. They dont understand bet size comparative to chip stack, position you must be kidding and just about any other concept you have read about they are illiterate to.

That is why I want to learn another game until I can lay at a higher bankroll because i am now becoming rapidly disolussioned with NL.

Sorry if that came across as a bitter rant as it was but was not meant to be. I just look at what I lose to and shake my head as yet another person cant put down QJ because they are pretty pictures and hits runner runner or calls a reraise with A3 because they have one of the lost A's of the online world.

oz_da II

13-02-2008, 03:01 AM

oz_da II

13-02-2008, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by Chester
That is why I want to learn another game until I can lay at a higher bankroll because i am now becoming rapidly disolussioned with NL.

Sorry if that came across as a bitter rant as it was but was not meant to be. I just look at what I lose to and shake my head as yet another person cant put down QJ because they are pretty pictures and hits runner runner or calls a reraise with A3 because they have one of the lost A's of the online world.

I'd walk miles to play against players like that...

There's not much use in playing against people who know what they are doing and/or are the same skill level as yourself as making a profit will mostly be based on luck.

Do you review your play?

Chester

13-02-2008, 03:07 AM

i agree with that and know I have hit a downswing lately which hasnt made my mood any better. I think I will have to move back to cash as it seems to have less variance at micro and low limit then Sng.

Funny thing is I read all the forums, have read most of the books and articles and rail lots of different online pros and can tell what they are going to do and why they are doing it (apart from the complete LAG players which is still a mystery) but you try putting any of those concepts into micros and you are dead.

I try and play a TAG game and then loosen up but most of the players play a game that makes LAG look like a complete Nit.

Time to take a bit off i think and just start over with a clear head and not expect the next beat.

Chester

13-02-2008, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by oz_da II
I'd walk miles to play against players like that...

There's not much use in playing against people who know what they are doing and/or are the same skill level as yourself as making a profit will mostly be based on luck.

Do you review your play?

I think its the difference between playing cash and SnG. People dont regards chips as money especially at the micro levels. They dont understand ICM they just see pretty pictures on the cards in front of them and are unwilling togive that up.

I know I have massive holes in my game and try and review all the sessions that i play but sometimes you miss that bash smiley

:)

oz_da II

13-02-2008, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by Chester
I try and play a TAG game and then loosen up but most of the players play a game that makes LAG look like a complete Nit.

I'd tighten up even more and hit them hard when you do have a hand, I found most players at micros pay no attention to the other players. You can sit there for 30 mins without playing a hand and they'll be chasing when you do get a hand. Multi-table if you get get bored of not playing many hands.

Chester

13-02-2008, 03:33 AM

Cheers Oz, really appreciate your comments. :p

We seem to have a very decent core of players here at lots of different levels and games as well and I think it would be great to have a lot more discussion about lots of different hands, scenarios etc.

I dont just mean an online poker thread ;)

but if we could find a means of people helping each other out and improving everyones game then that would be great

oz_da II

13-02-2008, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by Chester
but if we could find a means of people helping each other out and improving everyones game then that would be great

Yes, I'm all for that.

I've amassed quite a few hands recently. Should find some interesting hands.

I took a few days off last week after getting hit for six in more ways than one. Lost six and a half buy-ins in the space of 2 hours. Two outered twice by absolute muppets. I did tilt off the last buy-in (very rare these days) by going all in with AJ on a J23 board ended up against QQ.

Breaks are good. That loss has almost been knocked off in two sessions.

Lord_Muffin

13-02-2008, 12:55 PM

Thanks for all the advice. Very helpful. :p

se1eagle

13-02-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Chester
but if we could find a means of people helping each other out and improving everyones game then that would be great

I can help anyone who wants to setup Skype and Unyte (both free) to allow them to set up sweat sessions - this would mean we could watch each other play in realtime, seeing the hole cards, and can discuss each hand and the correct play in each situation. I've done it several times with my coach and I've found it invaluable.

se1eagle

13-02-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Lord_Muffin
I seem to just break even a lot at the moment. Is this quite normal for a beginner and will I turn a corner?

If you're breakeven you're already ahead of the curve, just need to keep working on improving. Certainly the vast majority of winning players lost their initial deposit when they first started playing.

When I started playing I just kept playing thinking one day something would click and I would suddenly become a winning player - from my experience it doesn't work like that, it requires work learning and improving one's game. Eventually as enough small things slot into place and become second nature you start to see the results.

Chester

13-02-2008, 01:14 PM

Well I thought I posted this question but it has vanished.

Whats Unyte Se1?

se1eagle

13-02-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Chester
Well I thought I posted this question but it has vanished.

Whats Unyte Se1?

It's a Skype add-on that allows you to see another user's desktop. It's very good and hooks directly into Skype so you can voice chat and see the hole cards/action at the same time.

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Chester
i only play micro limits and tend to play SnG rather than cash as I dont really like playing cash online and at the moment only have a limited bankroll due to paying for other things and the nightmare that it is trying to get money online from here.

Part of the problem is playing micro limit as it is a complete crapshoot and I hate it. If anyone wanted to start playing on line my advice is to save a decent amount and play at a higher level. You will learn nothing playing at the bottom and it will kill any love you have for the game.

No one has a clue which means every hand you are in involves multiple people (at least 4 in a full ring).

Everyone limps every pot, and when for example you are in late position and raise with a raisable hand everyone just flats out your raise. No reraises to clear the limpers nothing so you end up with exactly the same number of people in the pot and no idea what anyone has.

It actually feels as though you are not playing poker as you sucked out at everypoint.

People have no idea about a single concept of poker at Micros and I would challenge any of the top players to play there for a week without flinging their computer at the wall.

I sit here and watch people bet 60 into an 800 pot and be called by 3 other people and sit there weeping. They dont understand bet size comparative to chip stack, position you must be kidding and just about any other concept you have read about they are illiterate to.

That is why I want to learn another game until I can lay at a higher bankroll because i am now becoming rapidly disolussioned with NL.

Sorry if that came across as a bitter rant as it was but was not meant to be. I just look at what I lose to and shake my head as yet another person cant put down QJ because they are pretty pictures and hits runner runner or calls a reraise with A3 because they have one of the lost A's of the online world.

To be honest you see some dreadful play as you play higher limits. Even on $100 SnG's you would see some awful donk plays at times.

Be patient and bet premium hands very aggressively. If you double up early sit tight, get more aggressive around the bubble because no one wants to play for 45 mins ( ish ) and end up with nothing. You'll pick up enough blinds to get you in the money because your table image is super-tight.

Watch what other players do when the blinds are low, the amount of players who don't vary their game is unreal.

Its a pisser when an A3 runs over our KK's for example but I personally want these sort of calls because you will be up long term.

I've made the money loads of times when I've only been involved in say 2/3 hands.

I think this is pretty much the recommended play by most SnG pro's anyway.

I haven't played for a few weeks but I stuck $20 in my stars account yesterday. Now its around $60 by playing a few $5 SnG's . Not exactly earth shattering compared to what some of the players on here make. But profit is profit.

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by se1eagle
I can help anyone who wants to setup Skype and Unyte (both free) to allow them to set up sweat sessions - this would mean we could watch each other play in realtime, seeing the hole cards, and can discuss each hand and the correct play in each situation. I've done it several times with my coach and I've found it invaluable.

I like this idea. I'd welcome any advice that would improve my game.

se1eagle

13-02-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
I like this idea. I'd welcome any advice that would improve my game.

I'd be up for a session but I'm not much use at tournaments. Do you play cash games at all? If not I can still help you get it all set up, but you'd probably be best off finding someone else to join you for the session

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by se1eagle
I'd be up for a session but I'm not much use at tournaments. Do you play cash games at all? If not I can still help you get it all set up, but you'd probably be best off finding someone else to join you for the session

My cash game is shite despite many attempts at it. I don't seem to have the right mentality to play and win.

I probably play about 90% Sng's and 10% tournaments at the moment.

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
I take it your doing those 70fpp tournies?

I remember you mentioning this before. Where do I find these tournies ?

I'm looking under freeroll's but can't see them :confused:

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 05:04 PM

Haven't read this thread for a while.

There's some top class players on here at the moment :p

Strathclyde Eagle

13-02-2008, 07:41 PM

That's ok, some of us are still dead money. :clown:

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
I remember you mentioning this before. Where do I find these tournies ?

I'm looking under freeroll's but can't see them :confused:

Found them :clown:

Bloody mental stuff though. Is it normal for 3/4 players to go all-in first hand with anything ?

Won 2 out of 5 so far - crapshoot though really.

eaglesrus

13-02-2008, 10:29 PM

I want to know when we are going to have this live game. We need to arrange it!
Just booked my flight and hotel. Going to go out on the saturday and come back on the monday.
The last satellite is on sunday night so I feel every one should give it a go! also we need to get a few people into the virgin tournament, going to be concentrating on that one this week!

saul1664

13-02-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
Found them :clown:

Bloody mental stuff though. Is it normal for 3/4 players to go all-in first hand with anything ?

Won 2 out of 5 so far - crapshoot though really.

How much do you win for these? Have loads of FPP.

Chester

13-02-2008, 10:32 PM

lol at the 109r on FT

Opening table of Annette, Moorman and rdscrn

citizen sane

13-02-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
How much do you win for these? Have loads of FPP.

$11 if you unregister from the $100 grand.

Its tournament money though so you can't withdraw it but only use it for other tournies/ SnG's

I've just used all my FPP's and added $77 tournament dollars to the bankroll.

saul1664

13-02-2008, 11:24 PM

These players annoy the hell out of me. Comes onto table with 19K, in about 5 mins he has 40K, either all in every hand, or raising pre-flop significantly every single hand so my move is all in or fold, and players like this continue to suck out and win tournaments. Someone explain this play...

PokerStars Game #15267988197: Tournament #77334995, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/13 - 19:11:36 (ET)
Table '77334995 13' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Dr Jelo (5270 in chips)
Seat 2: peek2 (15255 in chips)
Seat 3: Jusmasel (12577 in chips)
Seat 4: oepah123 (1575 in chips)
Seat 5: JoePair (7438 in chips)
Seat 6: SFAMASTKA (21333 in chips)
Seat 7: whohee (4495 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (5872 in chips)
Dr Jelo: posts the ante 25
peek2: posts the ante 25
Jusmasel: posts the ante 25
oepah123: posts the ante 25
JoePair: posts the ante 25
SFAMASTKA: posts the ante 25
whohee: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts small blind 150
Dr Jelo: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [5c Kh]
peek2: folds
Jusmasel: folds
oepah123: folds
JoePair: raises 600 to 900
SFAMASTKA: calls 900
whohee: folds
saul1664: folds
Dr Jelo: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 4h 3s]
JoePair: bets 1200
SFAMASTKA: calls 1200
*** TURN *** [Jc 4h 3s] [Jd]
JoePair: checks
SFAMASTKA: bets 19208 and is all-in
JoePair: calls 5313 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Jc 4h 3s Jd] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoePair: shows [9h 9s] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
SFAMASTKA: shows [3d Ah] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
SFAMASTKA collected 15476 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15476 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 4h 3s Jd As]
Seat 1: Dr Jelo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: peek2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jusmasel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: oepah123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JoePair showed [9h 9s] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 6: SFAMASTKA showed [3d Ah] and won (15476) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 7: whohee (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: saul1664 (small blind) folded before Flop

saul1664

13-02-2008, 11:25 PM

And then to add insult to injury pick up 10 10, he raises to 2K (I have 3.5K left) push him all in as I know I am more than likely ahead. He turns over A5 and hits his A and I'm out just before the bubble.

Chester

14-02-2008, 01:33 AM

The 109r turbo was one of the funniest events I have seen. It lasted just under 3 hours and after an hour and a half was basically shove or forget it.

I watched Annette go down to 1400 chips and then basically win about 8 all ins in a row to get to 200k +. She eventually finished 13th but the final 2 tables were hilarious.

Rebuys are insane

Eagle Of Cray

14-02-2008, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by citizen sane
There's some top class players on here at the moment :p

ty.

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 08:53 AM

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 09:00 AM

Frustrated with Hi/Lo recently and can't seem to get going.

I'll win $400 in a day, then in a moment of madness I'll drop $450 in an hour the next day.

I've not reloaded for probably six months, but I can't break $1,000.

Anyway, someone on a table was talking about the online slot machines, so I've been playing those the last few weeks on small credits while playing poker to keep my mind active.

Great fun, playing $0.25 a spin on a variety of different ones, was up about $50 on day. Then I had a bad day at the tables and dropped about $150 on them, but was still managing to recoup my losses on the table and was still hovering around the $450 - $800 mark.

Then, BOOOM. Playing on a $0.25 slot machine and it went crazy. Kept on giving me the feature, and I kept on getting jackpot repeats at $150 a time. Left the machine with $975, and have now properly broken $1,000 for the first time since I last withdrew some cash.

I can now book another flight out to San Francisco. :p

se1eagle

15-02-2008, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO
You'll never get bored with Omaha Hi/Lo.

Great fun, high variance, but play ABC and be aggressive when you hit and you'll be fine.

Hmm I thought HiLo was low variance...

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 09:21 AM

I guess in theory it should be, but that's only really applicable with players who really know the game, and who know true value of hands, be they nut or non-nut hands.

There are so many players though who have absolutely no idea what they are doing, you can just as easily quadruple up in 30 minutes, as you can drop several buy-ins.

I think I saw earlier in this thread that STOG cleared $1k playing playing $1/$2?, in a failry short space of time. You can only really do that with any sort of regularity by playing clueless dimwits.

SamTheOldGoat

15-02-2008, 09:42 AM

Lol@ the cash machine! Get the flight booked mate!

Dan, I've been playing half stack 1/2 and full stack 50/1 to clear that amount since Sunday I think. Party has a fair few regulars at these levels but as you say a LOT of clueless dimwits too...... check out the action if you can sometime :)

I agree with being able to win massive in a short space of time, and when you flop turn the nuts you generally have to pot it to make the scoop rather than letting villains pick up the low and they WILL call to hit their cards. Its' been profitable and I'll continue to play it for a while, very enjoyable too but Party only generally has a couple of tables running at a time and no 6 max at 100 but they do at 200 which I prefer.

How's it at Laddies Dan?

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 10:02 AM

Laddies is getting a lot better, and throughout the day there are always at least a couple of tables, usually a couple of 6 max $0.25/$0.50 or maybe the odd $0.50/$1.00, but come the evening there can be eight tables running. Usually a couple of everything from $0.12/$0.25 up to $1/$2, with the occassional $2/$4 running as well both 6 max and 10 max.
Lots of aggressive players too, so you have to be prepared to pay to see a flop, and check re-raising pre-flop will rarely get you heads up so you need to really know who you are going up against.

Plus, lots of players who just looooooove chasing that lo. ;)

SamTheOldGoat

15-02-2008, 11:10 AM

Great, I prefer 6 max for the quicker action etc. Will check it out tomorrow. Apprecaited Dan.

Ps don't you just love those 'chasing' players ;)

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 11:11 AM

If you sit at my table, I'll come on here and give you a rundown on who's who. :p

SamTheOldGoat

15-02-2008, 11:55 AM

OK, when will you next be playing roughly? Still Dancoo online or different, can't remember?!

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 12:23 PM

I'm back playing most evenings now, should be on tonight by around 18:00'ish - Carlito_1

SamTheOldGoat

15-02-2008, 12:54 PM

OK busy tonight from 7 or so so will play until then and then play tomorrow. Feel free to take my cash, don't feel bad ;)

SamTheOldGoat

15-02-2008, 09:27 PM

Watching a bit now Dan. Saw Jon O pot fifth street with nut low etc and you called. Do you remember what with>?

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 09:43 PM

ach, frustration call. Played around 10 hands in 1 1/2 hours on that table. Flopped top set AAA.

DANCOO

15-02-2008, 09:52 PM

With an 'ok' low.

saul1664

15-02-2008, 11:31 PM

Whats the right call here, regardless of outcome, probably cost me major chance of winning tournament...

PokerStars Game #15308457927: Tournament #77206164, $20+$2 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2008/02/15 - 19:20:48 (ET)
Table '77206164 18' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: BSDAN (10453 in chips)
Seat 3: Donkeytronix (9473 in chips)
Seat 4: saul1664 (8729 in chips)
Seat 5: captkirk1366 (3297 in chips)
Seat 6: DCCROCK (5854 in chips)
Seat 7: old chuck d. (2813 in chips)
Seat 8: onepocketj (6618 in chips)
Seat 9: ob1taylor (7872 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind 150
captkirk1366: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [6d Ad 8h 8s]
DCCROCK: folds
old chuck d.: calls 300
onepocketj: folds
ob1taylor: folds
BSDAN: folds
Donkeytronix: calls 300
saul1664: calls 150
captkirk1366: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d 7h Ah]
saul1664: bets 900
captkirk1366: raises 2097 to 2997 and is all-in
old chuck d.: calls 2513 and is all-in
Donkeytronix: raises 6176 to 9173 and is all-in
saul1664: folds
*** TURN *** [8d 7h Ah] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [8d 7h Ah 4h] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
captkirk1366: shows [Td 7d 3h Qh] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,7,4,3,A)
Donkeytronix: shows [4s 2h 9h 3s] (HI: a flush, Ace high - lower cards; LO: 7,4,3,2,A)
captkirk1366 collected 484 from side pot
Donkeytronix collected 484 from side pot
old chuck d.: shows [2d 4d Kh Ks] (HI: two pair, Kings and Sevens; LO: 8,7,4,2,A)
saul1664 said, "FH"
captkirk1366 collected 4820 from main pot
Donkeytronix collected 4819 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10607 Main pot 9639. Side pot 968. | Rake 0
Board [8d 7h Ah 4h 7c]
Seat 2: BSDAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Donkeytronix (button) showed [4s 2h 9h 3s] and won (5303) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,4,3,2,A
Seat 4: saul1664 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: captkirk1366 (big blind) showed [Td 7d 3h Qh] and won (5304) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 8,7,4,3,A
Seat 6: DCCROCK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: old chuck d. showed [2d 4d Kh Ks] and lost with HI: two pair, Kings and Sevens; LO: 8,7,4,2,A
Seat 8: onepocketj folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ob1taylor folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664

15-02-2008, 11:37 PM

wasnt folding twice...

PokerStars Game #15308716570: Tournament #77206164, $20+$2 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/02/15 - 19:32:53 (ET)
Table '77206164 18' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: #2_ADN (5530 in chips)
Seat 2: BSDAN (6953 in chips)
Seat 3: Donkeytronix (13079 in chips)
Seat 4: saul1664 (10629 in chips)
Seat 5: captkirk1366 (4504 in chips)
Seat 6: DCCROCK (5154 in chips)
Seat 7: wolfgang29 (5252 in chips)
Seat 8: onepocketj (6018 in chips)
Seat 9: ob1taylor (9372 in chips)
ob1taylor: posts small blind 200
#2_ADN: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qh 3s 8h Ac]
BSDAN: calls 400
Donkeytronix: folds
saul1664: calls 400
captkirk1366: folds
DCCROCK: folds
wolfgang29: folds
onepocketj: folds
ob1taylor: folds
#2_ADN: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts Jh Kh]
#2_ADN: checks
BSDAN: bets 800
saul1664: calls 800
#2_ADN: raises 3800 to 4600
BSDAN: calls 3800
saul1664: calls 3800
*** TURN *** [Ts Jh Kh] [8d]
#2_ADN: bets 530 and is all-in
BSDAN: calls 530
saul1664: raises 5099 to 5629 and is all-in
BSDAN: calls 1423 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ts Jh Kh 8d] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BSDAN: shows [Kd Ah 7h 5h] (HI: a pair of Kings)
saul1664: shows [Qh 3s 8h Ac] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
saul1664 collected 2846 from side pot
#2_ADN: shows [Tc Jc As Td] (HI: three of a kind, Tens)
saul1664 collected 16790 from main pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19636 Main pot 16790. Side pot 2846. | Rake 0
Board [Ts Jh Kh 8d 4c]
Seat 1: #2_ADN (big blind) showed [Tc Jc As Td] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Tens
Seat 2: BSDAN showed [Kd Ah 7h 5h] and lost with HI: a pair of Kings
Seat 3: Donkeytronix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: saul1664 showed [Qh 3s 8h Ac] and won (19636) with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 5: captkirk1366 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DCCROCK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wolfgang29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: onepocketj (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: ob1taylor (small blind) folded before Flop

saul1664

16-02-2008, 12:40 AM

Great chance of winning now 1 out of 15. Massive sick beat...

PokerStars Game #15310130131: Tournament #77206164, $20+$2 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2008/02/15 - 20:37:51 (ET)
Table '77206164 18' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Ayers Rule (7822 in chips)
Seat 2: drunkenmoose (17792 in chips)
Seat 3: Donkeytronix (9120 in chips)
Seat 4: saul1664 (41540 in chips)
Seat 5: mrcasino22 (23252 in chips)
Seat 6: REDFIR (28270 in chips)
Seat 7: wolfgang29 (12296 in chips)
Seat 9: ob1taylor (9720 in chips)
wolfgang29: posts small blind 800
ob1taylor: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [8h As Ah Jh]
Ayers Rule: folds
drunkenmoose: folds
Donkeytronix: folds
saul1664: raises 4000 to 5600
mrcasino22: folds
REDFIR: raises 13600 to 19200
wolfgang29: folds
ob1taylor: folds
saul1664: raises 13600 to 32800
REDFIR: calls 9070 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8s 7h 6h]
*** TURN *** [8s 7h 6h] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [8s 7h 6h 4c] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [8h As Ah Jh] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Eights; LO: 8,7,6,4,A)
REDFIR: shows [Td Ts Ad Ac] (HI: a pair of Aces)
saul1664 collected 29470 from pot
saul1664 collected 29470 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 58940 | Rake 0
Board [8s 7h 6h 4c Jd]
Seat 1: Ayers Rule folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: drunkenmoose folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Donkeytronix folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: saul1664 showed [8h As Ah Jh] and won (58940) with HI: two pair, Jacks and Eights; LO: 8,7,6,4,A
Seat 5: mrcasino22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: REDFIR (button) showed [Td Ts Ad Ac] and lost with HI: a pair of Aces
Seat 7: wolfgang29 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: ob1taylor (big blind) folded before Flop

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 01:25 AM

Just won my way into the FTOPS 2day event tomorrow $2,500 buy in - my biggest ever tourney by a distance!

(for the princely sum of $20 via two sattys!!)

:)

saul1664

16-02-2008, 01:42 AM

3rd for $439.20 not bad

SamTheOldGoat

16-02-2008, 07:58 AM

Well done Saul. All the best Paul, TID ;)

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 09:41 AM

well done saul. keep up good work!

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 11:37 AM

Sam are you doing the Vienna trip? If there are three of us up for it I will do it I think - as long as can get flights for price Tim found. Will have a last go at satty later or buy in direct if I can - anyone else?

SamTheOldGoat

16-02-2008, 12:57 PM

What are the details again, how much is accomodation etc?

Just had another great session after a poor morning before footie. Finished this sesh with this hand. Should have shoved river, such a pu$$y:(

***** Hand History for Game 6787645240 *****
$200 USD PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Saturday, February 16, 08:50:05 ET 2008
Table Table 134646 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: taj_mahal44 ( $142.02 USD )
Seat 5: Gagsy ( $667.12 USD )
Seat 6: seanog19 ( $191.80 USD )
Seat 2: DestroyinYoo ( $394.74 USD )
Seat 1: blop1 ( $222.58 USD )
Seat 4: Flocoon ( $88.25 USD )
Gagsy posts small blind [$1 USD].
seanog19 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DestroyinYoo [ Th Qc Jc 7d ]
blop1 folds
DestroyinYoo calls [$2 USD]
taj_mahal44 folds
Flocoon calls [$2 USD]
Gagsy calls [$1 USD]
seanog19 raises [$2 USD]
DestroyinYoo calls [$2 USD]
Flocoon calls [$2 USD]
Gagsy calls [$2 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 9s, 2h ]
Gagsy checks
seanog19 bets [$15.20 USD]
DestroyinYoo calls [$15.20 USD]
Flocoon calls [$15.20 USD]
Gagsy folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
seanog19 checks
DestroyinYoo bets [$32 USD]
Flocoon calls [$32 USD]
seanog19 calls [$32 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
seanog19 checks
DestroyinYoo bets [$22 USD]
Flocoon is all-In [$37.05 USD]
seanog19 calls [$37.05 USD]
DestroyinYoo calls [$15.05 USD]
DestroyinYoo shows [ Th, Qc, Jc, 7d ]a flush, Queen high.
Flocoon doesn't show [ 5d, 9d, 9h, Kh ]three of a kind, Nines.
seanog19 doesn't show [ Ts, 2d, As, 6s ]two pairs, Tens and Sixes.
DestroyinYoo wins $265.75 USD from the main pot with a flush, Queen high.
There was no qualifying low hand

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
I have found a BA flight leaving on the Saturday Morning and returning on the Monday for £136 inc taxes. So reasonable. All in all it will prob cost around £300, for buy in , flights and two nights hotel stay?

for info Sam...

European Championship Venue Announced

The 2008 APAT European Amateur Championship will be held at the Poker Royale Casino; the home of Europe's largest cardroom, which is just outside of Vienna in Austria.

The event will have 200 players and be played over the Easter bank holiday weekend. Play will start at 2.30pm on Saturday March 22nd, with the final being held the following day.

Online satellites will be held at Blue Square at 8pm on every Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday night, starting on February 3rd and running up to February 17th.

NOTE FROM PAUL: there is a satellite TONIGHT at 8pm and TOMORROW at 8pm - I'm guessing as it is last chance saloon time there will be a few more entrants and therefore seats on offer making it a bit easier to get through

The entry price for satellites will be $30 + $3 and there will be a $600 prize for every 20 players. Each satellite will offer 3,000 chips and 12 minute levels.

60 seats will be allocated to European based poker groups and amateur players are expected to attend this event from Scandinavia, Italy, Germany, Austria in addition to the UK and Ireland.

The remaining seats will be sold via a direct buy in from the APAT home page at 9pm on Monday February 18th

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Sam are you doing the Vienna trip? If there are three of us up for it I will do it I think - as long as can get flights for price Tim found. Will have a last go at satty later or buy in direct if I can - anyone else?

Chip leader...but early doors

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Chip leader...but early doors

Oh well...reraised someone allin and found big blind sitting there with KK

Paul Romain

16-02-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Just won my way into the FTOPS 2day event tomorrow $2,500 buy in - my biggest ever tourney by a distance!

(for the princely sum of $20 via two sattys!!)

:)

Well I very nearly won nearly $500,000

If it weren't for the 565 people who finished ahead of me that is

eaglesrus

17-02-2008, 04:21 AM

Well just got back from a night out! quite drunk, but had a good time!

think the last satellite is tomos, but buy in is on monday. dont think it will problem getting a seat. would be a great laugh if we can get the three of us out there! lets discuss tomorrow! have a feeling when i read this back it is not going to make any sense! doing my best to reframe from logging on to any poker site!

SamTheOldGoat

17-02-2008, 08:27 AM

lol at reframe :D

Paul Romain

17-02-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
lol at reframe :D

is this the snooker thread? I'm lost...

:D

Paul Romain

17-02-2008, 09:20 AM

OK guys.....it's quiz time.

1 whats he got?
2 what do we do?

Full Tilt Poker Game #5280301063: FTOPS Event #17 (37170264), Table 56 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:03:26 ET - 2008/02/16
Seat 1: bigegypt (6,515)
Seat 2: Ayune (8,355)
Seat 3: mikeyb444 (9,872)
Seat 4: jim5432 (5,315)
Seat 5: _ILike2Raise_ (20,838)
Seat 6: AvertBet (4,600)
Seat 7: conslice (3,920)
Seat 8: HalcyonDays (3,008)
Seat 9: U_2Good4_Me (3,242)
HalcyonDays posts the small blind of 25
U_2Good4_Me posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [As Ac]
bigegypt folds
Ayune folds
mikeyb444 folds
jim5432 raises to 150
_ILike2Raise_ folds
AvertBet has 15 seconds left to act
AvertBet folds
conslice calls 150
HalcyonDays folds
U_2Good4_Me folds
*** FLOP *** [6h 7c 6c]
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 bets 250
conslice has 15 seconds left to act
conslice raises to 750
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 calls 500
*** TURN *** [6h 7c 6c] [8h]
jim5432 checks
conslice has 15 seconds left to act
conslice has requested TIME
conslice bets 1,200

DANCOO

17-02-2008, 09:28 AM

Paul Romain

17-02-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO
.

give us a clue...

saul1664

17-02-2008, 04:34 PM

All in. He has KK/QQ?

Strathclyde Eagle

17-02-2008, 05:21 PM

He's on the button so he's got position. I'd guess either a six or two clubs. If pushed I'd guess a six as otherwise he could take the free card on the turn.

David Amsalem

17-02-2008, 08:32 PM

Just been watching a video (THIS ONE (http://www.pokertrikz.com/videos/Trik1%20-%20200NL%20FTP.wmv) actually) and I just thought I would wanna see what you think of this hand and how you rate it (for the record, if you want to watch it, it's 16.40 into it).

Anyway, it's a $1/$2 cash table and P1 (the guy who made the video) is in the BB, and P2 is the small blind. Everybody folds around until the SB.

P2 raises to $6.
P1 calls for an additional $4 holding 5c 6c.

1) Would you make this call?

FLOP

7c Js 3c

This gives P1 the Gutter and the Flush Draw.

P2 bets $11

2) What is your move now?

P1 raises to $28
P2 re-raises to $80
P1 raises all-in as he has loads of Fold Equity 3) What does this term mean exactly?
P2 calls.

P2 turns over AJ.

P2 takes the hand after no help on 4th or 5th street.

P1 thinks the other player played it bad.

4) What do you make of P1 and P2 play?

Hope this is clear...

DANCOO

17-02-2008, 08:58 PM

1fd6

This gives P2 the Gutter and the Flush Draw.

Can you frirst clarify that this is actually P1?

David Amsalem

17-02-2008, 09:04 PM

This same guy is raising any pocket pair for $7 on all his tables. ($1/$2 blinds) - thoughts?

The way he plays his PP is so agressive.

I've always been wary that you only hit a set one in eight but he isn't playing all his pockets to hit a set.

David Amsalem

17-02-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
This gives P2 the Gutter and the Flush Draw.

Can you frirst clarify that this is actually P1?

Oooops, edited, excuse me.

se1eagle

17-02-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by David Amsalem
This same guy is raising any pocket pair for $7 on all his tables. ($1/$2 blinds) - thoughts?

The way he plays his PP is so agressive.

I've always been wary that you only hit a set one in eight but he isn't playing all his pockets to hit a set.

Playing cash it's pretty standard to raise any pocket pair from any position, by the pot (3.5x the BB) preflop. This takes down the pot a lot of the time preflop, or with a c-bet, and also makes it much easier to get paid off when we do hit a set.

se1eagle

17-02-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by David Amsalem
Anyway, it's a $1/$2 cash table and P1 (the guy who made the video) is in the BB, and P2 is the small blind. Everybody folds around until the SB.

P2 raises to $6.
P1 calls for an additional $4 holding 5c 6c.

1) Would you make this call?

We're in position with a hand that can flop big - more often than not I would make the call

Originally posted by David Amsalem
FLOP

7c Js 3c

This gives P1 the Gutter and the Flush Draw.

P2 bets $11

2) What is your move now?

Reraise by about pot - the player probably is just making a c-bet and the flop is great for our hand. We are roughly a coin-flip (48%) against TPTK or an overpair - our equity isn't even that bad against a set - the only hand that has us crushed is a higher flush draw.

Originally posted by David Amsalem
P1 raises to $28
P2 re-raises to $80
P1 raises all-in as he has loads of Fold Equity 3) What does this term mean exactly?

We only have a 48% chance of winning the pot if our opponent calls our shove (even money), but if we shove a certain % of the time our opponent will fold. This chance (fold equity) is added to the 48% chance of winning if called and turns a break-even play into a profitable one. As we have so much equity in the pot there's no way we can fold, and we certainly can't call as if we miss on the turn we'll no longer have the equity needed to call a big bet - we have to get it in now.

Originally posted by David Amsalem
P2 calls.

P2 turns over AJ.

P2 takes the hand after no help on 4th or 5th street.

P1 thinks the other player played it bad.

4) What do you make of P1 and P2 play?

Hope this is clear...

P2 is stacking off with TPTK. TPTK has only 52% equity against this one particular hand that Trikkur would be making this play with - however Trikkur could have an overpair or set which has TPTK crushed. Against P1's range, TPTK isn't good enough. On the flipside, P1's combo draw has much better equity against the range of hands P2 would call with.

saul1664

18-02-2008, 12:24 AM

Why does villain put me all in off the turn, allowed me to get away from the hand?

PokerStars Game #15359647250: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/17 - 20:12:42 (ET)
Table 'Baillauda III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: stefbat ($74.85 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($52.20 in chips)
Seat 3: The_Tac79 ($50.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Sassyburns ($49.90 in chips)
Seat 5: tiemyshyu05 ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Scruffy31 ($7.45 in chips)
Scruffy31: posts small blind $0.25
stefbat: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Js Jd]
saul1664: raises $2 to $2.50
The_Tac79: folds
Sassyburns: folds
tiemyshyu05: calls $2.50
Scruffy31: folds
stefbat: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [8s 3h 3d]
stefbat: checks
saul1664: bets $4.50
tiemyshyu05: calls $4.50
stefbat: raises $7.50 to $12
saul1664: calls $7.50
tiemyshyu05: folds
*** TURN *** [8s 3h 3d] [Ks]
stefbat: bets $60.35 and is all-in
saul1664 said, "AK?"
saul1664: folds
stefbat collected $34.50 from pot
stefbat: shows [8d 8c] (a full house, Eights full of Threes)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.25 | Rake $1.75
Board [8s 3h 3d Ks]
Seat 1: stefbat (big blind) collected ($34.50)
Seat 2: saul1664 folded on the Turn
Seat 3: The_Tac79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sassyburns folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tiemyshyu05 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Scruffy31 (small blind) folded before Flop

oz_da II

18-02-2008, 12:47 AM

Because he's an idjut?

Chester

18-02-2008, 02:01 AM

One for Paul R

John Newcombe took 4th in FtOPS17 for 175+ grand

I remember we had a bit of fun with him a while ago when he wouldnt shut up at one of the tables you were playing.

Have been watching all day and it has been v interesting so far

Chester

18-02-2008, 03:21 AM

Heads up now.

zzzz. i hate sunday poker

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Chester
One for Paul R

John Newcombe took 4th in FtOPS17 for 175+ grand

I remember we had a bit of fun with him a while ago when he wouldnt shut up at one of the tables you were playing.

Have been watching all day and it has been v interesting so far

Yeah I just saw that - logged on to see who won. Newcombe's an idiot.
Still a bit annoyed for getting suckered out of that.

(note the choice of words as opposed to sucked out on lol!)

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
He's on the button so he's got position. I'd guess either a six or two clubs. If pushed I'd guess a six as otherwise he could take the free card on the turn.

Ok as there were no other takers i shall give the answer... he hit his set of 8s on the turn

DANCOO

18-02-2008, 08:37 AM

Did you call?

eaglesrus

18-02-2008, 10:25 AM

So any of you guys buying in tonight?

Just had a look at air prices and they are exactly the same. Hotel is around 50 euros a night.

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO
Did you call?

Against my better judgement I'm afraid i did.

Its something i need to cut out of my game really - it wouldn't have been expensive to fold there and it really cost me a chance for a decent run in the tourney - he was a solid player and the hollywooding before the bet on the turn was ringing alarm bells.

I just have this horrible habit of proving my reads correct after deciding to call anyway!

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
So any of you guys buying in tonight?

Just had a look at air prices and they are exactly the same. Hotel is around 50 euros a night.

Tim , and Sam, really sorry to go back on my earlier post but I have decided not to go

Have been running pretty bad recently and I had another expensive day yesterday - didn't do a lot wrong really but was chasing sat seats into the Million and FTOPS ME all day without any luck whatsoever and although I got in the Warm Up and Knockout majors cheaply I bad beated out of both too so pretty hacked off at the moment! (and I completely missed the last APAT sat cos I was playing the major sats and forgot all about it!)

I think I am going to have to knuckle down a bit and £300 to Vienna isnt on that plan!

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 11:19 AM

Oh and Tim I know I have posted the answer now but I would be interested in knowing your thoughts on my AA hand in the $2,500 above and how you would have played it pre- and post- when you get a minute. i suspect I know cos you're a champ and don't do stupid things like me haha!!

eaglesrus

18-02-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
OK guys.....it's quiz time.

1 whats he got?
2 what do we do?

Full Tilt Poker Game #5280301063: FTOPS Event #17 (37170264), Table 56 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:03:26 ET - 2008/02/16
Seat 1: bigegypt (6,515)
Seat 2: Ayune (8,355)
Seat 3: mikeyb444 (9,872)
Seat 4: jim5432 (5,315)
Seat 5: _ILike2Raise_ (20,838)
Seat 6: AvertBet (4,600)
Seat 7: conslice (3,920)
Seat 8: HalcyonDays (3,008)
Seat 9: U_2Good4_Me (3,242)
HalcyonDays posts the small blind of 25
U_2Good4_Me posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [As Ac]
bigegypt folds
Ayune folds
mikeyb444 folds
jim5432 raises to 150
_ILike2Raise_ folds
AvertBet has 15 seconds left to act
AvertBet folds
conslice calls 150
HalcyonDays folds
U_2Good4_Me folds
*** FLOP *** [6h 7c 6c]
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 bets 250
conslice has 15 seconds left to act
conslice raises to 750
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 calls 500
*** TURN *** [6h 7c 6c] [8h]
jim5432 checks
conslice has 15 seconds left to act
conslice has requested TIME
conslice bets 1,200

I think the one thing I would of done differently is re-raised his raise post flop. I am not to sure what you have hoping to acheive by just the flat call. If he has hit trips then you are way behind and just playing for the Ace. If he has hit the 6 he is going to come over the top and you know where you stand. If he was trying to make a move he is going to fold.

I dont think he would have a flush draw as he would probably check to get the next card for free. So I would rule that out.

The 8 is not really a danger card so as I think that is the correct decision to call. You can basically rule out a straight as it is unlikely that he would of called your raise pre flop with a hand like 9/10 or 4/5. You also didnt give him the odds on the flop to make a further call with 9/10 for the gut shot straight. It also didnt connect with the flush. So I think you made the right decision at that point.

That being said it is likely with your pre flop raise in mid position that he puts you on AK or AQ etc. Therefore he would feel that post flop that he is ahead and you were just making a continuation bet. In this case he may well call any re-raise on the flop. He is also reasonably short stacked and therefore would likely feel that this is a good time to make a move/ he is nearly pot comminted especially if he thought he was up against two overcards.

I find putting someone on trips the hardest thing in poker to do, so I feel that I would of lost it all on this hand as well and you really didnt do much wrong!

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
I think the one thing I would of done differently is re-raised his raise post flop. I am not to sure what you have hoping to acheive by just the flat call. If he has hit trips then you are way behind and just playing for the Ace. If he has hit the 6 he is going to come over the top and you know where you stand. If he was trying to make a move he is going to fold.

I dont think he would have a flush draw as he would probably check to get the next card for free. So I would rule that out.

The 8 is not really a danger card so as I think that is the correct decision to call. You can basically rule out a straight as it is unlikely that he would of called your raise pre flop with a hand like 9/10 or 4/5. You also didnt give him the odds on the flop to make a further call with 9/10 for the gut shot straight. It also didnt connect with the flush. So I think you made the right decision at that point.

That being said it is likely with your pre flop raise in mid position that he puts you on AK or AQ etc. Therefore he would feel that post flop that he is ahead and you were just making a continuation bet.

Thanks Tim - that makes me feel a bit better.

The flat call on the flop - hmm, I'm not sure what I was trying to do either!! I was partly influenced by a hand I bust out on a couple of tourneys earlier where someone slow played AA against me in exactly that way and just let me hang myself. I suppose I was trying to do the same thing! I felt him having a 6 was unlikely and i thought I would risk the flush draw on the turn. I also felt he had me on AK/AQ and was trying to raise me off a cbet. I was planning on chking the blank turn to convince him of that and then shove if he tried again. It was his timebanking before betting the turn that made me think he had something but i couldnt figure what - I must admit trip 8s never occurred to me - I preferred A7clubs or maybe two high hearts/clubs on a semibluff. I figured that I still had 2k chips left if i lost, he had enough chips to just about get away from it, and it was worth a gamble if he called so i shoved

eaglesrus

18-02-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Tim , and Sam, really sorry to go back on my earlier post but I have decided not to go

Have been running pretty bad recently and I had another expensive day yesterday - didn't do a lot wrong really but was chasing sat seats into the Million and FTOPS ME all day without any luck whatsoever and although I got in the Warm Up and Knockout majors cheaply I bad beated out of both too so pretty hacked off at the moment! (and I completely missed the last APAT sat cos I was playing the major sats and forgot all about it!)

I think I am going to have to knuckle down a bit and £300 to Vienna isnt on that plan!

Just seen this!

Thats a shame would of been a good weekend, though I can understand your reasons. It is quite a lot of money to basically pay out for a £75 tournament. We should definitely look into doing the Scottish one or irish one in the summer. That definitely would be a good weekend!

I logged on to late for the Virgin tournament on Sunday, so going to make sure I try this weekend!

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by eaglesrus
Just seen this!

Thats a shame would of been a good weekend, though I can understand your reasons. It is quite a lot of money to basically pay out for a £75 tournament. We should definitely look into doing the Scottish one or irish one in the summer. That definitely would be a good weekend!

I logged on to late for the Virgin tournament on Sunday, so going to make sure I try this weekend!

Missed Virgin too - bit of time for that yet though I think?

Summer tourneys I should be good for.

Sorry again to duck out of Vienna - if I hadnt have run quite so bad yesterday I was definitely up for it.

eaglesrus

18-02-2008, 04:18 PM

Think the virgin one is in April so we have a few weekends left. Quite enjoyed the last one and the 5k added makes the payouts quite high in comprison to the APAT events.

The Dublin and Edinburgh tournaments are in June so can talk about that nearer the time. Would be a good weekend of poker/drinking if we were to go up on the friday and get an early flight back on the Monday morning.

saul1664

18-02-2008, 05:26 PM

Hmmmmm. How are you playing your sets, I know he runner runner quad aces, but am I smashing the flop here?

PokerStars Game #15374303871: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/18 - 13:11:52 (ET)
Table 'Albiorix' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: rejuvenation ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Raiden_MK_85 ($52.70 in chips)
Seat 3: -deubeul-up- ($92.45 in chips)
Seat 4: tdiddy ($53.40 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 ($40.30 in chips)
tdiddy: posts small blind $0.25
saul1664: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [3d 3c]
rejuvenation: calls $0.50
Raiden_MK_85: folds
poon'sjeff joins the table at seat #5
-deubeul-up-: raises $1.50 to $2
tdiddy: folds
saul1664: calls $1.50
rejuvenation: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [3h Ac Jd]
saul1664: checks
rejuvenation: checks
-deubeul-up-: checks
*** TURN *** [3h Ac Jd] [As]
saul1664: bets $1.50
rejuvenation: calls $1.50
-deubeul-up-: folds
*** RIVER *** [3h Ac Jd As] [Ad]
saul1664: checks
rejuvenation: bets $2
saul1664: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rejuvenation: shows [Ah 7d] (four of a kind, Aces)
saul1664: mucks hand
rejuvenation collected $12.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.25 | Rake $0.60
Board [3h Ac Jd As Ad]
Seat 1: rejuvenation showed [Ah 7d] and won ($12.65) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: Raiden_MK_85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: -deubeul-up- (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: tdiddy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: saul1664 (big blind) mucked [3d 3c]

Paul Romain

18-02-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
Hmmmmm. How are you playing your sets, I know he runner runner quad aces, but am I smashing the flop here?

PokerStars Game #15374303871: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/18 - 13:11:52 (ET)
Table 'Albiorix' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: rejuvenation ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Raiden_MK_85 ($52.70 in chips)
Seat 3: -deubeul-up- ($92.45 in chips)
Seat 4: tdiddy ($53.40 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 ($40.30 in chips)
tdiddy: posts small blind $0.25
saul1664: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [3d 3c]

I think I would lead out on the flop there. Its a good flop with A and J for you to get some action - you may well get raiser and caller even and then you can get jam it in ...

But as I have said before I am a hopeless cash player

se1eagle

18-02-2008, 05:57 PM

I think this hand is a good example of how much it sucks being out of position even with a strong hand - it's so hard to get paid off.

The flop is so dry we're not worried about being sucked out on - just how to get the money in the middle. I agree with Paul that leading is the best way to get value given the flop, however I don't hate a check if you feel the preflop raiser is very likely to c-bet or you are up against aggressive players. It's unfortunate (or fortunate if you're results oriented :)) that the preflop raiser didn't have the A and the incredibly passive limper did.

Paul Romain

19-02-2008, 09:10 AM

Finbar

19-02-2008, 09:14 AM

Have a night in tonight, any decent 8pm satellites to a big Sunday night comp to enter? Think there is one on Pokerstars but can't check from work.

Paul Romain

19-02-2008, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Finbar
Have a night in tonight, any decent 8pm satellites to a big Sunday night comp to enter? Think there is one on Pokerstars but can't check from work.

there are usually loads running all the time on Star and tilt either sng or MTT

Finbar

19-02-2008, 10:37 AM

Cheers Paul, will take a look when I get home, like the idea of calling in sick on Monday morning as I'm still in the tournament!

OK so it's unlikely but worth dreaming about :)

Paul Romain

19-02-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Finbar
Cheers Paul, will take a look when I get home, like the idea of calling in sick on Monday morning as I'm still in the tournament!

OK so it's unlikely but worth dreaming about :)

No problem, I can tell you it takes till about 6.30am to reach the final table of the Full Tilt 750K so plenty of time to get to work ;)

gsaunders22

19-02-2008, 12:05 PM

Thought this might interest you Paul?

http://www.bluesq.com/bluesquare/bspoker/2milliondollar.shtml

gsaunders22

19-02-2008, 12:14 PM

& for the lower stake players........

http://www.bluesq.com/bluesquare/bspoker/bluemoon.shtml

Paul Romain

19-02-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by gsaunders22
Thought this might interest you Paul?

http://www.bluesq.com/bluesquare/bspoker/2milliondollar.shtml

I'm ahead of you - had my first go at qualifying yesterday! I had some money left over on BSq that I had deposited to try the APAT sats so I thought I would try for that with it

eaglesrus

19-02-2008, 05:01 PM

Have had my few poker days off. Been quite nice and relaxing!

Going to play some on blue suare tonight. May try the GUKPT 2.50 tournament. though one prize out of over 100 means it is rather difficult!

Sam, any decisions on Vienna yet? Tickets are still available!

eaglesrus

19-02-2008, 06:46 PM

Not doing to bad for my first game back. Playing a $20 freezout. Down to the final 2 tables and in third position with 23k.

eaglesrus

19-02-2008, 06:48 PM

I have had crap cards all the way through!

Just had a look at my stats and I have only seen 4% of the flops. My general average sits around 20%. been playing very tightly and just being aggressive where I can.

saul1664

19-02-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
I think I would lead out on the flop there. Its a good flop with A and J for you to get some action - you may well get raiser and caller even and then you can get jam it in ...

But as I have said before I am a hopeless cash player

The only thing that was good about the hand was that he hardly bet the river as he wanted me to see his quad Aces. :eek:

eaglesrus

19-02-2008, 07:36 PM

7 left. QQ ended up against ak and i lost the race when he hit the k. gutted!

Chester

20-02-2008, 03:04 PM

To answer Strath from the other thread, this isnt going to hurt his bankroll too much

"Then along came Texan billionaire Andy Beal.

Beal has made it his life’s mission to beat the best poker pros in the world, using computer simulations and complex mathematical models to refine his game. At first it was a doomed mission that saw him lose millions between 2000 and 2004, but he returned to Vegas in February 2006 to take on a collective of Big Game players known as The Corporation. With a bankroll of $10m and blinds set at $50k/$100k, Beal embarked on a series of heads-up limit hold’em showdowns.

Over the first five days, he lost nearly $4m to Ted Forrest and Jennifer Harman, and left Vegas claiming he had given up poker. However, he was back in town a week later, hungry for revenge. Over four short days, Beal took Harman, Brunson and Forrest to the cleaners, winning every cent of their $10m starting bankroll. However, the story was far from over.

Another week passed, and Beal rolled into town once more, but this time there was a different face across the table waiting for him. Phil Ivey sat down, and with blinds reduced to $30k/$60k, began a session of some of the most amazing poker ever played. In around 16 hours of play, Ivey won back every cent The Corporation lost and a further $7m in profit. It was a stunning performance that hurtled Ivey back into the limelight, but he remains characteristically modest about the extraordinary three-day episode."

He also has a stake in Full Tilt and lots of other investments. I think it is fair to say he is loaded!

se1eagle

20-02-2008, 03:09 PM

I watched the Poker Den the other day and Todd Brunson was telling how he won $20mil in one cash session against Beal.

Brian Townsend has been kicking ass on the Poker Den - worth a look if you haven't seen it, the lineup is better than last year.

Strathclyde Eagle

20-02-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Chester
To answer Strath from the other thread, this isnt going to hurt his bankroll too much

"Then along came Texan billionaire Andy Beal.

Beal has made it his life’s mission to beat the best poker pros in the world, using computer simulations and complex mathematical models to refine his game. At first it was a doomed mission that saw him lose millions between 2000 and 2004, but he returned to Vegas in February 2006 to take on a collective of Big Game players known as The Corporation. With a bankroll of $10m and blinds set at $50k/$100k, Beal embarked on a series of heads-up limit hold’em showdowns.

Over the first five days, he lost nearly $4m to Ted Forrest and Jennifer Harman, and left Vegas claiming he had given up poker. However, he was back in town a week later, hungry for revenge. Over four short days, Beal took Harman, Brunson and Forrest to the cleaners, winning every cent of their $10m starting bankroll. However, the story was far from over.

Another week passed, and Beal rolled into town once more, but this time there was a different face across the table waiting for him. Phil Ivey sat down, and with blinds reduced to $30k/$60k, began a session of some of the most amazing poker ever played. In around 16 hours of play, Ivey won back every cent The Corporation lost and a further $7m in profit. It was a stunning performance that hurtled Ivey back into the limelight, but he remains characteristically modest about the extraordinary three-day episode."

He also has a stake in Full Tilt and lots of other investments. I think it is fair to say he is loaded!
Thanks for answering me in the correct thread. I'm a dope. :clown:

I can't remember what the entry fee was, but there was a proposed tournament where it was at least a million to enter. It had to be scrapped as Ivey was the only one willing to enter (heard on the Poker Edge podcasts last year - I'll see if I can find more info).

There was also a story from one of the Beal-Ivey sessions that Beal decided to make a stand against Ivey's aggression, only he chose to do it when Ivey had quads. Ouch!

Lord_Muffin

21-02-2008, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by se1eagle
I watched the Poker Den the other day and Todd Brunson was telling how he won $20mil in one cash session against Beal.

Brian Townsend has been kicking ass on the Poker Den - worth a look if you haven't seen it, the lineup is better than last year.

Got it on Sky+ to watch later. Brian Townsend is impressive but what about Tony G. The guy just seems to hit everytime.

budgie

21-02-2008, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by se1eagle
I watched the Poker Den the other day and Todd Brunson was telling how he won $20mil in one cash session against Beal.

Brian Townsend has been kicking ass on the Poker Den - worth a look if you haven't seen it, the lineup is better than last year.

Any idea when this is on SE1, I can't see it on the listings?

Finbar

21-02-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Chester
To answer Strath from the other thread, this isnt going to hurt his bankroll too much

"Then along came Texan billionaire Andy Beal.

Beal has made it his life’s mission to beat the best poker pros in the world, using computer simulations and complex mathematical models to refine his game. At first it was a doomed mission that saw him lose millions between 2000 and 2004, but he returned to Vegas in February 2006 to take on a collective of Big Game players known as The Corporation. With a bankroll of $10m and blinds set at $50k/$100k, Beal embarked on a series of heads-up limit hold’em showdowns.

Over the first five days, he lost nearly $4m to Ted Forrest and Jennifer Harman, and left Vegas claiming he had given up poker. However, he was back in town a week later, hungry for revenge. Over four short days, Beal took Harman, Brunson and Forrest to the cleaners, winning every cent of their $10m starting bankroll. However, the story was far from over.

Another week passed, and Beal rolled into town once more, but this time there was a different face across the table waiting for him. Phil Ivey sat down, and with blinds reduced to $30k/$60k, began a session of some of the most amazing poker ever played. In around 16 hours of play, Ivey won back every cent The Corporation lost and a further $7m in profit. It was a stunning performance that hurtled Ivey back into the limelight, but he remains characteristically modest about the extraordinary three-day episode."

He also has a stake in Full Tilt and lots of other investments. I think it is fair to say he is loaded!

Anyone read this? Is a great read, all about the games between Beal and the other pro's. Sorry if it's mentioned a few pages back but I don't have the time to check.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professor-Banker-Suicide-King-Richest/dp/0446694975/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203601372&sr=8-1

Also enjoyed Bigger Deal and Positively Fifth Street. Any other anecdotal poker books worth a read?