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Paul Romain
12-04-2008, 01:18 PM
Nice sequence of three fishy hands :) ....

***** Hand History for Game 6965523981 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, April 12, 07:58:36 ET 2008
Table Table 125996 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Laura_80 ( $96 USD )
Seat 2: OmgMSaps ( $97.26 USD )
Seat 9: chiefschief ( $20.83 USD )
Seat 5: CroydonJim ( $198.53 USD )
Seat 10: salapalma ( $29.50 USD )
Seat 4: pokerpl01 ( $99.36 USD )
Seat 6: Blind_Camel ( $157.81 USD )
Seat 3: I_like_BBs ( $19.50 USD )
Seat 7: BSManta ( $98 USD )
Seat 8: Gmaster777 ( $94.50 USD )
pokerpl01 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
CroydonJim posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CroydonJim [ Kd 9c ]
Blind_Camel folds.
BSManta folds.
Gmaster777 folds.
chiefschief folds.
salapalma folds.
Laura_80 folds.
OmgMSaps folds.
I_like_BBs folds.
pokerpl01 calls [$0.50 USD]
CroydonJim checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Ac, 4c ]
pokerpl01 checks.
CroydonJim checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
pokerpl01 bets [$32 USD]
CroydonJim folds.
pokerpl01 does not show cards.
pokerpl01 wins $33.90 USD

****************

* Hand History for Game 6965535614 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, April 12, 08:04:10 ET 2008
Table Table 125996 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Laura_80 ( $95 USD )
Seat 2: OmgMSaps ( $97.26 USD )
Seat 9: chiefschief ( $20.83 USD )
Seat 5: CroydonJim ( $201.18 USD )
Seat 10: salapalma ( $28.30 USD )
Seat 4: pokerpl01 ( $99.49 USD )
Seat 6: Blind_Camel ( $155.31 USD )
Seat 3: I_like_BBs ( $24 USD )
Seat 7: BSManta ( $100 USD )
Seat 8: Gmaster777 ( $92.50 USD )
Laura_80 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
OmgMSaps posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CroydonJim [ Qs Qc ]
I_like_BBs folds.
pokerpl01 raises [$2 USD]
CroydonJim raises [$6 USD]
Blind_Camel folds.
BSManta folds.
Gmaster777 folds.
chiefschief folds.
salapalma folds.
Laura_80 folds.
OmgMSaps folds.
pokerpl01 raises [$40 USD]
CroydonJim did not respond in time
CroydonJim folds.
pokerpl01 does not show cards.
pokerpl01 wins $49.50 USD

*******

and the coup de grace.....

***** Hand History for Game 6965550856 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, April 12, 08:11:17 ET 2008
Table Table 125996 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Laura_80 ( $94.50 USD )
Seat 2: OmgMSaps ( $94.76 USD )
Seat 9: chiefschief ( $19.33 USD )
Seat 5: CroydonJim ( $193.68 USD )
Seat 4: pokerpl01 ( $104.77 USD )
Seat 6: Blind_Camel ( $148.31 USD )
Seat 7: BSManta ( $106 USD )
Seat 8: Gmaster777 ( $90 USD )
Seat 3: asimak ( $19 USD )
Seat 10: BALUGBUG ( $20 USD )
OmgMSaps posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
asimak posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CroydonJim [ Qc Qd ]
pokerpl01 calls [$1 USD]
CroydonJim raises [$4 USD]
Blind_Camel folds.
BSManta folds.
Gmaster777 folds.
chiefschief folds.
OmgMSaps folds.
asimak folds.
pokerpl01 calls [$3 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, Jd, Tc ]
pokerpl01 bets [$27 USD]
CroydonJim is all-In.
pokerpl01 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
pokerpl01 shows [ As, Td ]a pair of Tens.
CroydonJim shows [ Qc, Qd ]a straight Nine to King.
CroydonJim wins $88.91 USD from the side pot 1 with a straight, Nine to King.
CroydonJim wins $208.04 USD from the main pot with a straight, Nine to King.

oz_da II
12-04-2008, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Given his stats and general passivity, I think I can fold here. He doesn't seem the type to play his draws aggressively - I think a 9 or 88+ make up most of his range when he makes the big turn bet. We have $5 invested and if we call we're almost certainly going to face a river shove - if he is bluffing/semibluffing then good luck to him, he bets so rarely we have to give him some credit when he does.

Yes, that's what I did. My thinking was I could get a better spot against him. I've had experience against similar players like this and come up against QQ or better. I don't think he's shoving on a draw, therefore I'm miles behind.

10 minutes later I had aces and he called pre-flop and shoved his big stack on a 632 board with 77. A nice collect there.

oz_da II
12-04-2008, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Nice sequence of three fishy hands :) ....


Nice result in the end but I'm not sure I'm ever folding that second hand especially based on the first hand "action".

David Amsalem
12-04-2008, 04:21 PM
Me neither.

Paul Romain
12-04-2008, 05:06 PM
Well....I almost called but to be honest the bizarre betting threw me and I overthought it. In the end the minimum raise confused me enough to fold. I was worried that he was just someone who didnt know what to do with big hands and panic overbet them - in the end I just decided to give him the benefit of the doubt until I had seen him do it again...then look him up next time.

oz_da II
12-04-2008, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Well....I almost called but to be honest the bizarre betting threw me and I overthought it. In the end the minimum raise confused me enough to fold. I was worried that he was just someone who didnt know what to do with big hands and panic overbet them - in the end I just decided to give him the benefit of the doubt until I had seen him do it again...then look him up next time.

Been there, done that. :)

Paul Romain
12-04-2008, 09:18 PM
knocked out of good tourney tonight while up with leaders after flopped quads beat my flopped nut full house

:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

iamanuplander
12-04-2008, 09:31 PM
Right then hate to go off on a tangent to other topics but i have just got in my debit card and can now freely play on any poker site i like, and was wondering if anyone could tell me where i could locate the fishiest games. I currently have accounts open at pokerstars, full tilt, paddy power, will hill, Betfair and partypoker. Any others i may have missed and can anyone tell me the fishiest out of the ones i already play, from their own experience, cheers.

Chester
12-04-2008, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
knocked out of good tourney tonight while up with leaders after flopped quads beat my flopped nut full house

:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:

How the hell did you get so many chips at the start of the 60k.

Look in and you have a mountain after only seemed a few hands

saul1664
12-04-2008, 09:47 PM
Going fairly deep in the 20K. 18/47 at 3rd break. Have 120K, but blinds 4/8K, some truly shocking play here.

Paul Romain
12-04-2008, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Chester
How the hell did you get so many chips at the start of the 60k.

Look in and you have a mountain after only seemed a few hands

A rebuy gambler shoved on me and I called with 88 - his A4 beat me

made 1 rebuy

Then got QQ twice - got it all in and took out 2 people with both hands

saul1664
12-04-2008, 10:29 PM
4/17. Up to 550K.

Paul Romain
12-04-2008, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
A rebuy gambler shoved on me and I called with 88 - his A4 beat me

made 1 rebuy

Then got QQ twice - got it all in and took out 2 people with both hands

Havent made a very good job of it since then really! keep getting reraised - some decent players in this and i think I've been sussed!!

saul1664
12-04-2008, 10:50 PM
3/12. 750K. AK being my nemesis again.

saul1664
12-04-2008, 11:08 PM
final table, though have had 800k reduced to 300k with some poor steals

Paul Romain
12-04-2008, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
final table, though have had 800k reduced to 300k with some poor steals

what site/tourney is this ?

beef
12-04-2008, 11:17 PM
got some serious beats today. -4bi....will....not.....complain

saul1664
12-04-2008, 11:48 PM
Bit disappointed. Finished 2nd.

Had a mad moment in mid game before final bubble which I almost always seem to do and need to cut out of my game, which meant I went from 800K to 300K, and when I hit the final table was in trouble, managed to stay alive and got to heads up. We both had 3 million each, through a combination of poor play by me and completely card dead, he got a 4 to 1 chip lead on me. Sickening way to finish, he had been raising me off every pot so I flat called Kings, he raised, I went all in and this happened...

PokerStars Game #16683913834: Tournament #82987012, 100FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (60000/120000) - 2008/04/12 - 19:44:14 (ET)
Table '82987012 156' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: rebelnmgn (5129085 in chips)
Seat 5: saul1664 (942915 in chips)
rebelnmgn: posts the ante 12000
saul1664: posts the ante 12000
saul1664: posts small blind 60000
rebelnmgn: posts big blind 120000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kd Kh]
saul1664: calls 60000
rebelnmgn: raises 360000 to 480000
saul1664: raises 450915 to 930915 and is all-in
rebelnmgn: calls 450915
*** FLOP *** [5d Qs Qc]
*** TURN *** [5d Qs Qc] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [5d Qs Qc 7s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rebelnmgn: shows [6s 4c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
saul1664: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
rebelnmgn collected 1885830 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1885830 | Rake 0
Board [5d Qs Qc 7s 8d]
Seat 3: rebelnmgn (big blind) showed [6s 4c] and won (1885830) with a straight, Four to Eight
Seat 5: saul1664 (button) (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens

saul1664
12-04-2008, 11:49 PM
Difference between 2nd and 1st, was $1,100. Annoying.

But I got $1,607.

AND IT WAS A FREEROLL.

se1eagle
13-04-2008, 12:28 AM
Great result Saul, very nice score!

oz_da II
13-04-2008, 03:50 AM
What's to think about here, Tubby? :clown:

PokerStars.com EPT Grand Final

Former Swedish soccer star Tomas Brolin just busted a hapless player who threw his last 7,200 chips into the middle with 7-7. Brolin thought for a moment before realising his K-K was pretty good and his cowboys held up.

samtheeagle
13-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
What's to think about here, Tubby? :clown:

Haha, Love It.

samtheeagle
13-04-2008, 12:27 PM
Played the 100 freezeout last night at the Gutshot in London.
Very nice tourny, Dealer Delt, 8k starting stack and 20 minute levels.
Alot of deepstack play for the first 6 or so levels before the anties came in and then some good poker. 60 runners and came 7th in the end for £260. Pretty sick way to finish though, mid position opened for 15k (blinds at 2k 4k anties at 400) and I looked down on the button to find AA. Needless to say I shoved all in 35k in total and he felt inclined to call with Q10 which made a miricle river straight!

Played some cash afterwards though and made some nice profit. Eventfull Night.

First hand flop quad queens and get no action what so ever.
Second hand AA again and lay it down on the turn to a reraise.(2 Jacks on Board and he showed his Jack)

After that though I couldnt loose. Interesteting hand where guy Pot bet from cut off with 3 limpers and straddle and I re Pot him with AA. He thought I was chatting crap and re pushed me and I was happy to see him turn over A8 off!

Chester
14-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Paul you must be shattered. You seem to have been playing all day!

Paul Romain
14-04-2008, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Paul you must be shattered. You seem to have been playing all day!

I have been. Not particularly successfully either - just picked up $300 in the UB200k but should have been better - utg raised 5bb and I just thought he wouldnt be doing that with a huge hand so I shoved my TT at him - KK beat me obv! Was 30th before I decided to do that- tiredness I think....

Chester
14-04-2008, 01:32 AM
Just been watching the Brawl from the last 30 has been amusing to say the least.

Paul Romain
14-04-2008, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Just been watching the Brawl from the last 30 has been amusing to say the least.


do tell.....?

Chester
14-04-2008, 01:49 AM
IWEARGOGGLES went on a tear and was leading by a country mile and was playing really aggressive. He then ran into a couple of hands and within the space of 5 hands was basically busted and went out

So then started following nobadbeatsplz who basically took over dominating. Got down to the last 2 tables where he pretty much went the same way as goggles.

The final table has just been silly with the most ridiculous bluff raises and all ins. However everyone seemed to figure that out so people went down like flies.

Fun unashamed LAG play by everyone

Paul Romain
14-04-2008, 01:50 AM
Have managed to scrape into cash in the 750k too in the end - a real struggle this one as was down to about 200 chips early doors after deciding to call a donk who was just raising everything allin - think I had JJ iirc and he flipped KK of course (my nemesis today - I've had it cracked myself by AA twice too)

Paul Romain
14-04-2008, 01:52 AM
d'uh - spoke too soon - its cash at number 522 not 552 ! nearly there tho

Paul Romain
14-04-2008, 01:54 AM
ok...NOW i've scraped into the cash :)

Chester
14-04-2008, 01:58 AM
Well done. has been tiring just watching :D

Paul Romain
14-04-2008, 02:11 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

iamanuplander
14-04-2008, 02:54 PM
so hows everyone's pokering today? at the moment im grinding the Double your monies on will hill and will be soon doing the same to the .15/.25$ limits on pokerstars as i need to start a bankroll there.

beef
14-04-2008, 03:09 PM
Going okay today. I'm running a bit below expectation after various suckouts but have done well in non-sd pots.

I've been experiementing by opening my 3-betting range pre-flop vs CO/BTN stealers which has worked surprisingly well. Players don't seem to be adapting but I am at 25NL.

Finbar
14-04-2008, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Won the step 6 for the LAPT to Rio last night!
$2500 tourny entry $1900 expenses and 4 nights free accomodation!
Delighted.

Sam, what site are the stepped tournaments on? Like the sound of them as (I think) you can take your time in doing them as you gradually progress.

When you off to Rio?

samtheeagle
14-04-2008, 09:22 PM
There on stars and you have as long as you like to complete them. Only problem is that there non transferable so when you get to the higher levels it can be quite nerve racking. They have them for the EPT events WSOP and the LAPT. Get cracking.
As for me I've got so much uni work to catch up on before I head off on the 1st of may. Might have to limit the amount im playing for a while.

saul1664
14-04-2008, 10:23 PM
What a pile of absolute cock. In the 10K on PS. The worst run of cards ever in a tournament, best A must have been A7 offsuit, best pair 22, gutshot hits me early for a third of my stack, somehow battle to the cutoff for initial prize money (only just a bit past buy in).

Have 4K in chips. First hand after break comes and I get AA, two limpers, blinds 150/300, raise to 2000, one caller, flop looks innocuous enough 10 7 2, push all in, and he has a set of 10s. What gash.

Chester
14-04-2008, 10:45 PM
Tubby still in the EPT Monte Carlo

samtheeagle
15-04-2008, 01:53 AM
Just found "the grinder" on a 150 FPP satalite for a $10 event! Asked him what he was doing and up to near the end he thought it was for the sunday million. You've got to ask some questions about the pro's today.

Chester
15-04-2008, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Just found "the grinder" on a 150 FPP satalite for a $10 event! Asked him what he was doing and up to near the end he thought it was for the sunday million. You've got to ask some questions about the pro's today.

I played with Jennifer Harman in a 250 play money sit n go when i first started and if i could work out how to post a screen shot then i would put it up here.

Thinking he was in a satellite for the sunday million is funny

:D

Finbar
15-04-2008, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
There on stars and you have as long as you like to complete them.

Cheers Sam, will take a look. Can you enter at whatever level you like?
Top 2 go through to the next level and 3rd place gets another crack right?

saul1664
15-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Chester
I played with Jennifer Harman in a 250 play money sit n go when i first started and if i could work out how to post a screen shot then i would put it up here.

Thinking he was in a satellite for the sunday million is funny

:D

Can't he afford $215 buy in? :eek:

saul1664
15-04-2008, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
Cheers Sam, will take a look. Can you enter at whatever level you like?
Top 2 go through to the next level and 3rd place gets another crack right?

Different for each level, level one top 2 go through 3rd retries, 4th gets $1.50, when you go up the levels, top 5 is good enough for a retry. First two to three levels tend to be crapfests though.

Finbar
15-04-2008, 12:14 PM
Cheers Saul, think I would buy in at level 3 or 4 so hopefully not quite such a lottery

Believe there is a certain amount of ill feeling towards pro's who buy in at the higher levels and seem to do very well out of them

What are cash steps?

saul1664
15-04-2008, 02:33 PM
Don't know, but cash steps may be where you enter for cash, whereas you can also buy in with FPP.

Up 6.5 x buy in in 0.25/0.50 cash :eek:

saul1664
15-04-2008, 03:10 PM
cooler ...

PokerStars Game #16746827077: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/15 - 10:55:01 (ET)
Table 'Kartvelia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: MourganRA ($56.10 in chips)
Seat 2: sunhunter83 ($69.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Foppa4 ($48.95 in chips)
Seat 4: saul1664 ($63.75 in chips)
Seat 5: shawn1414us ($93.30 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind $0.25
shawn1414us: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ad Kh]
MourganRA: folds
sunhunter83: folds
Foppa4: raises $1.50 to $2
saul1664: calls $1.75
shawn1414us: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c Kc Ks]
saul1664: checks
Foppa4: bets $3
saul1664: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3c Kc Ks] [3h]
saul1664: checks
Foppa4: checks
*** RIVER *** [3c Kc Ks 3h] [Kd]
saul1664: checks
Foppa4: bets $10
saul1664: raises $15.50 to $25.50
Foppa4: raises $18.45 to $43.95 and is all-in
saul1664: calls $18.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Foppa4: shows [As Ac] (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
saul1664: shows [Ad Kh] (four of a kind, Kings)
saul1664 collected $96.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $98.40 | Rake $2
Board [3c Kc Ks 3h Kd]
Seat 1: MourganRA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sunhunter83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Foppa4 (button) showed [As Ac] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Seat 4: saul1664 (small blind) showed [Ad Kh] and won ($96.40) with four of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: shawn1414us (big blind) folded before Flop

saul1664
15-04-2008, 04:00 PM
Cashed out with $320 one table, $85 the other, was getting tired and my eyes were about to bleed.

Also 90/1300 in 6K tourney. Got up to 10K, but lost half when AQ met a diamond dominated board and had to lay down.

Had about 3.5K left, blinds were 400/800, get As 7s, two raise to 2400 before me. What's the call here? Do I call to get maximum value from remaining chips, though I am almost certainly behind, or fold. Would have won the pot as 2 7s came out, so when I pushed with 89 a few hands later, was completely dominated by 2 10, but still cashed.

oz_da II
15-04-2008, 05:18 PM
Stacking off?

Full Tilt Poker Game #6031038778: Table Hickam (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Holdem - 10:46:36 ET - 2008/04/14
Seat 2: Para258 ($25)
Seat 3: bj2900 ($36.35)
Seat 4: Pav_Attack ($36.70)
Seat 5: diegomilek10 ($44.60)
Seat 6: cubeslave ($9.65)
bj2900 posts the small blind of $0.10
TickTockT sits down
Pav_Attack posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pav_Attack [Jc Qs]
TickTockT adds $25
diegomilek10 folds
cubeslave folds
Para258 folds
bj2900 raises to $1
Pav_Attack calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [9d Js Ks]
bj2900 bets $2
Pav_Attack calls $2
*** TURN *** [9d Js Ks] [Th]
bj2900 bets $4
Pav_Attack has 15 seconds left to act
Pav_Attack raises to $12
bj2900 raises to $33.35, and is all in
Pav_Attack?

Chester
15-04-2008, 05:23 PM
All day, every day and twice on sundays

oz_da II
15-04-2008, 05:28 PM
Villian 17/13/1.7

Chester
15-04-2008, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Villian 17/13/1.7

Dont use these stats but im assuming they are showing that he is a fairly nitty and tight player.

I think it would be unlucky to lose out to a higher straight and think he has picked up top 2 pair on the flop or possibly turn

saul1664
15-04-2008, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Stacking off?

Full Tilt Poker Game #6031038778: Table Hickam (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Holdem - 10:46:36 ET - 2008/04/14
Seat 2: Para258 ($25)
Seat 3: bj2900 ($36.35)
Seat 4: Pav_Attack ($36.70)
Seat 5: diegomilek10 ($44.60)
Seat 6: cubeslave ($9.65)
bj2900 posts the small blind of $0.10
TickTockT sits down
Pav_Attack posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pav_Attack [Jc Qs]
TickTockT adds $25
diegomilek10 folds
cubeslave folds
Para258 folds
bj2900 raises to $1
Pav_Attack calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [9d Js Ks]
bj2900 bets $2
Pav_Attack calls $2
*** TURN *** [9d Js Ks] [Th]
bj2900 bets $4
Pav_Attack has 15 seconds left to act
Pav_Attack raises to $12
bj2900 raises to $33.35, and is all in
Pav_Attack?

Fold. Has QA.

se1eagle
15-04-2008, 07:45 PM
I don't think you can fold, if he has AQ it's a cooler. If we give him a tight range of AQ, KQ, QJ, QT you are almost exactly 35% against that range and with the money invested that means you can't fold.

saul1664
15-04-2008, 11:30 PM
The only cards that can beat you ARE often the only cards that do beat you?

se1eagle
15-04-2008, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
The only cards that can beat you ARE often the only cards that do beat you?

Not sure I get your meaning. We have to play versus ranges not specific hands since we're not psychic. At 25NL you'll get a fair few TAG players making that turn play with any Q - this needs to be factored into our decision...

Paul Romain
15-04-2008, 11:54 PM
Having a lean time again on Full Tilt recently - seem to be having a lot more success on Party Poker despite there being far fewer tourneys of my sort of range. currently 6th of 18 left in the 18k guarantee

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Having a lean time again on Full Tilt recently - seem to be having a lot more success on Party Poker despite there being far fewer tourneys of my sort of range. currently 6th of 18 left in the 18k guarantee

Made the final table but crippled when I got there thanks to the hand below and went out in 10th. What to do you do with this ...I let him in cheap to get some action and then get completely coolered. What on earth is he doing flatting a third of his stack on the flop when he's getting a tad over 2/1 on a 9/2 shot, no overcards??? Fed up with getting outdrawn and I must have the worst record with AA of any tournament player on this planet and beyond!!

***** Hand History for Game 6976533403 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:39599242 Level:16 Blinds-Antes(6,000/12,000 -200) - Tuesday, April 15, 20:12:38 ET 2008
Table $18K Gtd (1396981) Table #2 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Xtreme2Hot ( 173,270 )
Seat 5: pauric_f ( 164,118 )
Seat 6: CroydonJim ( 147,928 )
Seat 2: PPSuicideMe ( 206,300 )
Seat 9: rodbigrod ( 128,362 )
Trny:39599242 Level:16
Blinds-Antes(6,000/12,000 -200)
Xtreme2Hot posts ante [200]
PPSuicideMe posts ante [200]
pauric_f posts ante [200]
CroydonJim posts ante [200]
rodbigrod posts ante [200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to CroydonJim [ Ac Ad ]
Xtreme2Hot folds.
PPSuicideMe folds.
pauric_f folds.
CroydonJim raises [18,000]
rodbigrod calls [12,000]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Jd, 4s ]
CroydonJim bets [36,000]
rodbigrod calls [36,000]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
CroydonJim is all-In.
rodbigrod is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
CroydonJim shows [ Ac, Ad ]a pair of Aces.
rodbigrod shows [ 8c, Ts ]a straight Eight to Queen.
CroydonJim wins 19,566 chips from the side pot 1 with a pair of Aces.
rodbigrod wins 257,324 chips from the main pot with a straight, Eight to Queen.

Chester
16-04-2008, 12:45 AM
Cooler, always happens when you slow play aces. Its the only way of giving you a slap

Thomas Brolin still in the EPT Monte Carlo with 39 left

saul1664
16-04-2008, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Not sure I get your meaning. We have to play versus ranges not specific hands since we're not psychic. At 25NL you'll get a fair few TAG players making that turn play with any Q - this needs to be factored into our decision...

Let me give an example. 0.25/0.50 NL.

Pick up AA in late position. You get two limpers who bet 1.50, you raise to 6.00, one of the limpers folds, the other calls. Flop comes an unlikely KKK. You bet $13 into a $15 pot, and you get flat called. Turn is an innocuous 4. You bet $25 into a $40 pot, again you get flat called, river is another innocuous 7. Pot by now is about $80, you fire $45 into it, he comes over the top with an all in for another $130, you think about his range, KA would be one but he can't have it because of the three Kings on the board, KQ or KJ doesn't bear thinking about with the pre-flop raise unless he was particularly loose, you call confidently.

He turns over AK. Because the only hand that did beat you IS the hand that DID beat you.

Chester
16-04-2008, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Let me give an example. 0.25/0.50 NL.

you think about his range, KA would be one but he can't have it because of the three Kings on the board,

He turns over AK. Because the only hand that did beat you IS the hand that DID beat you.

:(

This is where your argument kinda falls apart Saul and I think thats an awful example that you give and nothing like the previous hand that we have been talking about

Chester
16-04-2008, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by saul1664


Pick up AA in late position. You get two limpers who bet 1.50, you raise to 6.00, one of the limpers folds, the other calls. Flop comes an unlikely KKK. You bet $13 into a $15 pot, and you get flat called.

first warning sign is being flat called. I know you are betting to see where you are in the pot and being flatted shows someone who after calling your raise at least has the potential to have a k

Turn is an innocuous 4. You bet $25 into a $40 pot, again you get flat called

Sign of someone who potentially wants you in the hand. You have fired a second barrel and still the person has not folded. K warning signs should be flashing by now no matter what their strength

, river is another innocuous 7. Pot by now is about $80, you fire $45 into it, he comes over the top with an all in for another $130

Third barrel fired and now you have been reraised.

, you think about his range, KA would be one but he can't have it because of the three Kings on the board, KQ or KJ doesn't bear thinking about with the pre-flop raise unless he was particularly loose, you call confidently.

Lots of donks call raises with KQ and KJ everyday. Half your bloody bad beats are filled with them. Id add K10 to that category as well.


He turns over AK. Because the only hand that did beat you IS the hand that DID beat you.

The fact that you have raised 3 times and been called on each one should have been a clear indication way before you called his reraise that something was fishy here

just my thoughts and i know there are a lot better players here than myself including you

oz_da II
16-04-2008, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Cooler, always happens when you slow play aces. Its the only way of giving you a slap

Thomas Brolin still in the EPT Monte Carlo with 39 left

Severely short stacked but guaranteed $60,000.
Over $3M to the winner.

Chester
16-04-2008, 03:21 AM
He has been shortstacked all day.

He was in the bottom three at the start of the day as well so has done very well to last this far!

saul1664
16-04-2008, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Chester
:(

This is where your argument kinda falls apart Saul and I think thats an awful example that you give and nothing like the previous hand that we have been talking about

OK. I assume the other answer below is sarcastic. It's an extreme example trying to make a point. A re-raise on the river shows extreme strength, it is unlikely to be a bluff, a bluff would be if the river had been checked. Allowing for that we are either sharing the pot or losing to the higher straight, none of which are +EV.

This we are assuming that we are thinking that the player is a fair poker player, we have not been provided with any information that he is a player who will bet two pair or one pair on the river (and there are these players about) or his HH or range, if he is one of these players then we may make the call, but 90% of the time we are beaten.

Chester
16-04-2008, 03:58 AM
Will answer this tomorrow as im tired and confused as to which scenario you are talking about now.

The KKK was not sarcastic but probably shows my ineptitude at poker

SamTheOldGoat
16-04-2008, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Stacking off?

Full Tilt Poker Game #6031038778: Table Hickam (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Holdem - 10:46:36 ET - 2008/04/14
Seat 2: Para258 ($25)
Seat 3: bj2900 ($36.35)
Seat 4: Pav_Attack ($36.70)
Seat 5: diegomilek10 ($44.60)
Seat 6: cubeslave ($9.65)
bj2900 posts the small blind of $0.10
TickTockT sits down
Pav_Attack posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pav_Attack [Jc Qs]
TickTockT adds $25
diegomilek10 folds
cubeslave folds
Para258 folds
bj2900 raises to $1
Pav_Attack calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [9d Js Ks]
bj2900 bets $2
Pav_Attack calls $2
*** TURN *** [9d Js Ks] [Th]
bj2900 bets $4
Pav_Attack has 15 seconds left to act
Pav_Attack raises to $12
bj2900 raises to $33.35, and is all in
Pav_Attack?

tbh Oz, I'd only pass this if I'd stabbed myself in the eyes with scissors, couldn't see the screen and misclicked. Isntacool. AQ = Cooler.....:love:

Chester
16-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Brolins lost weight imo

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/IMG_4043.jpg

;)

samtheeagle
16-04-2008, 01:20 PM
I call every time.

SamTheOldGoat
16-04-2008, 01:29 PM
Sam, I'm going to try and qualify for Rio pal, so hopefully you'll have a travelling mate. Been manic with work etc so haven't put in ANY hours recently :(

saul1664
16-04-2008, 03:47 PM
An example of what I was talking about, one buy in gone. Bets big on every street with gutshot (though he has flush draw as well). When the river hits, the only hand that can beat me is the hand that beats me (barring trips)...

PokerStars Game #16771122644: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/16 - 11:43:08 (ET)
Table 'Gryphia III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Nukex ($121.20 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($43.70 in chips)
Seat 3: bl4cksky1 ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: FRUIT_BAGEL ($47.70 in chips)
Seat 6: crizzycrias ($49.25 in chips)
Nukex: posts small blind $0.25
saul1664: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ad Kd]
luckas2003 has returned
bl4cksky1: folds
luckas2003 leaves the table
FRUIT_BAGEL: folds
crizzycrias: folds
Nukex: raises $1.50 to $2
saul1664: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Jd Kh 2h]
Nukex: bets $2.50
saul1664: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [Jd Kh 2h] [Ac]
Fred Play AK joins the table at seat #5
Nukex: bets $6
saul1664: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Jd Kh 2h Ac] [9s]
Nukex: bets $15
saul1664: raises $18.20 to $33.20 and is all-in
Nukex: calls $18.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Ad Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Nukex: shows [Th Qh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Nukex collected $85.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $87.40 | Rake $2
Board [Jd Kh 2h Ac 9s]
Seat 1: Nukex (small blind) showed [Th Qh] and won ($85.40) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: saul1664 (big blind) showed [Ad Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 3: bl4cksky1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: FRUIT_BAGEL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: crizzycrias (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Billyd
16-04-2008, 03:49 PM
should def be re raising with ak there

KevTheOptimist
16-04-2008, 04:19 PM
He has up and down straight and flush draw and you're calling his small(ish) bets all the way until a scare cards comes when you re raise!

His play was good.....

saul1664
16-04-2008, 04:33 PM
Yes, he'd been playing a lot of pots and showing a few bluffs, so was trying to extract maximum value from the hand until rivered. He call a re-raise in any case.

Billyd
16-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Yes, he'd been playing a lot of pots and showing a few bluffs, so was trying to extract maximum value from the hand until rivered. He call a re-raise in any case.

if he calls a re-raise in any case then how are you extracting maximum value. you gotta be re raising him every street expect on the river!

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Yes, he'd been playing a lot of pots and showing a few bluffs, so was trying to extract maximum value from the hand until rivered. He call a re-raise in any case.

regardless of whether he is playing a lot and bluffing I don't think a flushing/straightening board that he's betting at is one for extracting value from surely?

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 06:18 PM
The 9 on the river is actually a good card for Saul - it doesn't complete any straights or flushes, Villain makes the nuts on the turn. Regardless we have to RR both preflop and on the flop with the aim of getting it in - Villain is actually a slight favourite on the flop but not much we can do about that - we're ahead of his range and he effectively flops the nuts.

However not reraising preflop because the guy will call is just illogical. We have to RR, we're way ahead of Villain's range, if he calls he's out of position with the worst hand - a great situation to be in.

saul1664
16-04-2008, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
regardless of whether he is playing a lot and bluffing I don't think a flushing/straightening board that he's betting at is one for extracting value from surely?

Yes, it's not good play. :(

Chester
16-04-2008, 06:39 PM
http://www.eptlive.com/high_en.html

Some interesting players left in. Antonio Esfandiari, Joe Hachem, Mr Menlo Eric P33chy_Keen Liu and BeepBeepImAJeep

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 06:48 PM
Eric Liu's Cardrunners videos are particularly good. Also there's a great vid of Taylor Caby destroying Annette_15 at headsup play - definitely worth a watch if you're a member.

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Eric Liu's Cardrunners videos are particularly good. Also there's a great vid of Taylor Caby destroying Annette_15 at headsup play - definitely worth a watch if you're a member.

I've been having a lot of trouble watching these vids since I joined - there is some sort of bug that is stopping WMP playing them on Vista - plenty of people complaining about this and Cardrunners being no help whatsoever. They will play , but badly, on Creative MediaPlayer but sound keeps cutting out. I'm waiting to get my Home Premium upgrade for laptop as I know it works on that - got it on desktop (but I tend to watch them when I'm away from home)

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
I've been having a lot of trouble watching these vids since I joined - there is some sort of bug that is stopping WMP playing them on Vista - plenty of people complaining about this and Cardrunners being no help whatsoever. They will play , but badly, on Creative MediaPlayer but sound keeps cutting out. I'm waiting to get my Home Premium upgrade for laptop as I know it works on that - got it on desktop (but I tend to watch them when I'm away from home)

Hmm weird. I assume you have tried the Flash streaming with no joy?

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 07:47 PM
No I haven't mainly cos it doesn't suit me - I want to be able to watch as and when I have a minute and go back to bits etc

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 07:54 PM
I might be able to help - just sent you a PM :)

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 09:15 PM
Any thoughts....?

FullTiltPoker Game #6060308069: $12,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (45431217), Table 9 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:06:52 ET - 2008/04/16
Seat 1: hedShadows (9,635)
Seat 2: fosca (13,672)
Seat 3: jim5432 (13,850)
Seat 4: Trenchtown (19,850)
Seat 5: bankrollme87 (6,229)
Seat 6: badbeatme (10,110)
Seat 7: Roll-Money (7,911)
Seat 8: TRIMDOUBLE (58,898)
hedShadows antes 50
fosca antes 50
jim5432 antes 50
Trenchtown antes 50
bankrollme87 antes 50
badbeatme antes 50
Roll-Money antes 50
TRIMDOUBLE antes 50
fosca posts the small blind of 200
jim5432 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Ac 9s]
Trenchtown folds
bankrollme87 has 15 seconds left to act
bankrollme87 folds
badbeatme folds
Roll-Money calls 400
TRIMDOUBLE folds
hedShadows folds
fosca calls 200
jim5432 checks
*** FLOP *** [As 8h Ad]
fosca bets 400
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 calls 400
Roll-Money raises to 800
fosca folds
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 raises to 2,400
Roll-Money raises to 7,461, and is all in
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 has requested TIME

saul1664
16-04-2008, 09:25 PM
A stronger ace perhaps, difficult to see him committing his whole stack without one?

saul1664
16-04-2008, 09:26 PM
Right spazzy day today. Hands like these have been coming left, right and centre. Sick for KK...

PokerStars Game #16776275126: Tournament #84838336, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/04/16 - 15:54:31 (ET)
Table '84838336 111' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: QT2007 (1065 in chips)
Seat 2: morini350 (3135 in chips)
Seat 3: sabresb (4145 in chips)
Seat 4: nohoper (3530 in chips)
Seat 5: Roggy Balboa (2312 in chips)
Seat 6: rtoki (1055 in chips)
Seat 7: saul1664 (2425 in chips)
Seat 8: kooshla (8055 in chips)
Seat 9: femmechaot (1905 in chips)
rtoki: posts small blind 50
saul1664: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [3d 7s]
kooshla: folds
femmechaot: raises 400 to 500
QT2007: raises 565 to 1065 and is all-in
morini350: folds
sabresb: calls 1065
nohoper: folds
Roggy Balboa: folds
rtoki: folds
saul1664: folds
femmechaot: raises 840 to 1905 and is all-in
sabresb: calls 840
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6h 9h]
*** TURN *** [Tc 6h 9h] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6h 9h 7c] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
femmechaot: shows [Kh Ks] (a straight, Six to Ten)
sabresb: shows [Qc Qh] (a straight, Six to Ten)
femmechaot said, "noooooo"
femmechaot collected 840 from side pot
sabresb collected 840 from side pot
QT2007: shows [Ac Qd] (a straight, Six to Ten)
femmechaot collected 1115 from main pot
QT2007 collected 1115 from main pot
sabresb collected 1115 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5025 Main pot 3345. Side pot 1680. | Rake 0
Board [Tc 6h 9h 7c 8c]
Seat 1: QT2007 showed [Ac Qd] and won (1115) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 2: morini350 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: sabresb showed [Qc Qh] and won (1955) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 4: nohoper folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Roggy Balboa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rtoki (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: saul1664 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: kooshla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: femmechaot showed [Kh Ks] and won (1955) with a straight, Six to Ten

saul1664
16-04-2008, 09:29 PM
Cashed in above tourney, only just past bubble though, got crippled early, someone shoves all in from early position with 88 to crack my QQ when 8 is first out, leaving me with 453 chips left, they go straight in when A9 next hand, same person who cracked by QQ, now shows QQ, first card out A - good I think, next four cards 2 3 4 5 for split pot. Then very next hand get A10, again shove all in for 580 chips, run into AA and gutshot the straight.

Get past bubble have 11K in chips, push all in with JJ, get called by JA, rivers the flush, leaves me with 2K, push all in with K4 (he has JA), hit my 4, but J hits turn and no help and out. :(

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
A stronger ace perhaps, difficult to see him committing his whole stack without one?

mmm...but limping with Ak-10 at this stage of tourney?

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Any thoughts....?

FullTiltPoker Game #6060308069: $12,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (45431217), Table 9 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:06:52 ET - 2008/04/16
Seat 1: hedShadows (9,635)
Seat 2: fosca (13,672)
Seat 3: jim5432 (13,850)
Seat 4: Trenchtown (19,850)
Seat 5: bankrollme87 (6,229)
Seat 6: badbeatme (10,110)
Seat 7: Roll-Money (7,911)
Seat 8: TRIMDOUBLE (58,898)
hedShadows antes 50
fosca antes 50
jim5432 antes 50
Trenchtown antes 50
bankrollme87 antes 50
badbeatme antes 50
Roll-Money antes 50
TRIMDOUBLE antes 50
fosca posts the small blind of 200
jim5432 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Ac 9s]
Trenchtown folds
bankrollme87 has 15 seconds left to act
bankrollme87 folds
badbeatme folds
Roll-Money calls 400
TRIMDOUBLE folds
hedShadows folds
fosca calls 200
jim5432 checks
*** FLOP *** [As 8h Ad]
fosca bets 400
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 calls 400
Roll-Money raises to 800
fosca folds
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 raises to 2,400
Roll-Money raises to 7,461, and is all in
jim5432 has 15 seconds left to act
jim5432 has requested TIME

Given he's shortstacked I think he's doing this with any ace and obv 88. I think his range of aces is weighted more towards the weaker aces since he didn't raise preflop. I call, but no expert on tourneys at all.

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 09:35 PM
Against 88,A2s+,A2o+ we have 48% equity so in pure EV terms this is a must call.

48,510 games 0.005 secs 9,702,000 games/sec

Board: As 8h Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.868% 35.65% 13.22% 17295 6411.00 { Ac9s }
Hand 1: 51.132% 37.92% 13.22% 18393 6411.00 { 88, A2s+, A2o+ }

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Given he's shortstacked I think he's doing this with any ace and obv 88. I think his range of aces is weighted more towards the weaker aces since he didn't raise preflop. I call, but no expert on tourneys at all.

My next thought was that his min raise on the flop was strange. Is he looking to find out if his weak ace is good enough or is he very strong?

Well I gave him the answer and he came over the top - is that A2-A7?

In the end, +EV or not, I trusted my intuition that he had either limped AK, or lucked out with A8 or 88, and folded.

He probably had jack sh1t :D

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 09:49 PM
didn't do me any good though as got runner runner flushed out just before bubble.

close to final table in $13.5k 1r+a though....

se1eagle
16-04-2008, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
My next thought was that his min raise on the flop was strange. Is he looking to find out if his weak ace is good enough or is he very strong?

Well I gave him the answer and he came over the top - is that A2-A7?

In the end, +EV or not, I trusted my intuition that he had either limped AK, or lucked out with A8 or 88, and folded.

He probably had jack sh1t :D

This is where I come unstuck - the most +EV play if often also the most high variance play, and I'm no good at balancing EV and variance in a tourney. Too used to trying to squeeze as much EV as possible from my cash games!

samtheeagle
16-04-2008, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Sam, I'm going to try and qualify for Rio pal, so hopefully you'll have a travelling mate. Been manic with work etc so haven't put in ANY hours recently :(

Good work and Good luck.

Get a twin room at no extra cost out there so invited the father out for some company.He's doing the same thing as we speak and trying to qualify as well. Would have been nice if it was over the summer so I could have gone out for a while longer with some friends but University work seems to be taking its toll.

samtheeagle
16-04-2008, 10:01 PM
Tricky one Paul. I agree that he min raises to see where he is in the hand, you tell him you have an ace yet he still shoves it in. You say he wouldnt have limped at this stage with AK/AQ but he also shouldnt have limped with A2-A7. Any info on him at all? 88 is a reasonable assumption but think he has a simmilar hand to yours in which case you have to call. Even if your behind theres chances to split the pot and I think with the money invested already I have to call.

F**k That ==> His OPR and Sharkscope are poor to say the least.

CALL CALL and Call again

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle


F**k That ==> His OPR and Sharkscope are poor to say the least.

CALL CALL and Call again

oh crikey his OPR's terrible isnt it!! one of the worst i've seen. Think I have missed a trick there! I normally look them up in that situation - can't think why I didnt. If I had seen that I wouldnt have hesitated

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Meanwhile - final table of the $13.5k and I just knocked out Stuart Paterson 66>KK for my first pro bounty!!

samtheeagle
16-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Do you get your whole buyin back for doing that? You must have to change your game plan completely playing with a bounty on you head. The amount of people who must try and get there money in with you on a coin flip must be stupid.

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 10:41 PM
well that was fairly typical - having been pushed off my rag steals four times running I finally had AJ to call a resteal with - and he had AK. 5th for $1.3k

Paul Romain
16-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Do you get your whole buyin back for doing that? You must have to change your game plan completely playing with a bounty on you head. The amount of people who must try and get there money in with you on a coin flip must be stupid.

You do ... but as this was a $50+5 and with 1 R+A I was in for $155 but only got the initial $50 back

BUT.....you get a t-shirt as well :lux: :lux: :lux: :lux:

samtheeagle
16-04-2008, 10:50 PM
Gotta love the stash. Stars just sent me an email asking for my measuremets for my Rio goodybag. Im only alowed to play wearing all the pokerstars gear!

oz_da II
17-04-2008, 01:27 AM
Tubby gets a bit unlucky...

Thomas Brolin Eliminated in 38th Place ($60,082)
Antonio Esfandiari raises to 16,000 preflop UTG+2 and Thomas Brolin reraises all in for 84,000 total on the cutoff. Esfandiari shows AQ and Brolin turns up AK. The board falls Q4345 and Brolin busts out of the tournament early on day 4 in 38th place ($60,082).

SamTheOldGoat
17-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
tbh Oz, I'd only pass this if I'd stabbed myself in the eyes with scissors, couldn't see the screen and misclicked. Isntacool. AQ = Cooler.....:love:

So,..... what did he have OZ?

SamTheOldGoat
17-04-2008, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
An example of what I was talking about, one buy in gone. Bets big on every street with gutshot (though he has flush draw as well). When the river hits, the only hand that can beat me is the hand that beats me (barring trips)...

PokerStars Game #16771122644: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/16 - 11:43:08 (ET)
Table 'Gryphia III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Nukex ($121.20 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($43.70 in chips)
Seat 3: bl4cksky1 ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: FRUIT_BAGEL ($47.70 in chips)
Seat 6: crizzycrias ($49.25 in chips)
Nukex: posts small blind $0.25
saul1664: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ad Kd]
luckas2003 has returned
bl4cksky1: folds
luckas2003 leaves the table
FRUIT_BAGEL: folds
crizzycrias: folds
Nukex: raises $1.50 to $2
saul1664: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Jd Kh 2h]
Nukex: bets $2.50
saul1664: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [Jd Kh 2h] [Ac]
Fred Play AK joins the table at seat #5
Nukex: bets $6
saul1664: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Jd Kh 2h Ac] [9s]
Nukex: bets $15
saul1664: raises $18.20 to $33.20 and is all-in
Nukex: calls $18.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Ad Kd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Nukex: shows [Th Qh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Nukex collected $85.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $87.40 | Rake $2
Board [Jd Kh 2h Ac 9s]
Seat 1: Nukex (small blind) showed [Th Qh] and won ($85.40) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: saul1664 (big blind) showed [Ad Kd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 3: bl4cksky1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: FRUIT_BAGEL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: crizzycrias (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Every street played wrong imo, and money only shipped in while behind! Achhhh

oz_da II
17-04-2008, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
So,..... what did he have OZ?

AQ of course...
I seemed to know he had it and made the call expecting it which made me think I could have found a fold. No flush draw so he wasn't pushing a draw which would be common. Maybe I could have folded it in a live game with a read.

oz_da II
17-04-2008, 12:55 PM
Sets are really annoying me at the moment, I'm either losing with them or finding no action...

oz_da II
17-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Every street played wrong imo, and money only shipped in while behind! Achhhh

Yeah that really stinks, why are we just calling with the flush draw and possible straight draws out there?

SamTheOldGoat
17-04-2008, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
AQ of course...
I seemed to know he had it and made the call expecting it which made me think I could have found a fold. No flush draw so he wasn't pushing a draw which would be common. Maybe I could have folded it in a live game with a read.

Sseriously, I think your a hero if you make that pass. Cooler, move on, reload imo.....

SamTheOldGoat
17-04-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Yeah that really stinks, why are we just calling with the flush draw and possible straight draws out there?

Not a clue! Rivers a check call I think at best, well a call in this situation.

Chester
17-04-2008, 01:23 PM
Tbh I am always a little confused by Sauls hand analysis'

SamTheOldGoat
17-04-2008, 01:55 PM
.

Chester
17-04-2008, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Tubby gets a bit unlucky...

Thomas Brolin Eliminated in 38th Place ($60,082)
Antonio Esfandiari raises to 16,000 preflop UTG+2 and Thomas Brolin reraises all in for 84,000 total on the cutoff. Esfandiari shows AQ and Brolin turns up AK. The board falls Q4345 and Brolin busts out of the tournament early on day 4 in 38th place ($60,082).

There was some amusing comment somewhere that he had managed to survive for 3 days with only 10bb the entire time

Paul Romain
17-04-2008, 05:46 PM
You wait ages for a pro and then two come along together

Aaron Bartley goes flying!

Anyone wanna t-shirt :D ?

Chester
17-04-2008, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
You wait ages for a pro and then two come along together

Aaron Bartley goes flying!

Anyone wanna t-shirt :D ?

The should do a very limited edition one

"I was knocked out by Jim5432 :eek: "

:D

saul1664
17-04-2008, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Every street played wrong imo, and money only shipped in while behind! Achhhh

Yes, did that a lot yesterday. :(

Paul Romain
17-04-2008, 10:12 PM
double trouble - closing in on two final tables...

Paul Romain
17-04-2008, 10:24 PM
although not proceeding to smoothly in either - should have kept my mouth shut :)

Paul Romain
17-04-2008, 10:30 PM
1 down - 1010 shove caught chip leaders AK in big blind and lost - 20th
:(

saul1664
17-04-2008, 10:31 PM
Just to prove I'm not a complete poker amateur. Nice lay down in a three handed pot though...

PokerStars Game #16802424508: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/17 - 18:12:20 (ET)
Table 'Shenzhen II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Trumpis ($22.70 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($69.50 in chips)
Seat 3: fozg8t ($41.50 in chips)
Seat 5: GooberCMYK ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 6: larrylegend1 ($28.70 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind $0.25
fozg8t: posts big blind $0.50
JF293: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Td Ts]
GooberCMYK: folds
larrylegend1: raises $1 to $1.50
Trumpis: raises $1.50 to $3
saul1664: calls $2.75
fozg8t: folds
larrylegend1: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [4h Qc Th]
saul1664: checks
larrylegend1: bets $3.50
Trumpis: raises $3.50 to $7
saul1664: raises $59.50 to $66.50 and is all-in
larrylegend1: calls $22.20 and is all-in
Trumpis: folds
*** TURN *** [4h Qc Th] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [4h Qc Th 4d] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Td Ts] (a full house, Tens full of Fours)
larrylegend1: mucks hand
saul1664 collected $65.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $67.90 | Rake $2
Board [4h Qc Th 4d Kh]
Seat 1: Trumpis (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: saul1664 (small blind) showed [Td Ts] and won ($65.90) with a full house, Tens full of Fours
Seat 3: fozg8t (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: GooberCMYK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: larrylegend1 mucked [Jc Kc]

Paul Romain
17-04-2008, 10:32 PM
2 down - 10 10 shove again loses to 66 on the river - 14th

very very :( :(

sometimes this game is a real killer

Paul Romain
17-04-2008, 10:33 PM
well its nice to know TT works for someone

Chester
18-04-2008, 03:24 AM
The glamorous winner of the EPT main event. Way to dispel the image of an online poker pro.

He played very well and probably deserved to win in the end although was pretty classless calling the clock on Menlo after hardly any time when he held AA

His room mate Brolin will be happy, maybe some extra room service ;)

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/IMG_4390.jpg

samtheeagle
18-04-2008, 04:10 AM
Running deep in the nightly hundred grand on stars at the moment and fairly deep in a $10 rebuy.

samtheeagle
18-04-2008, 04:36 AM
KK runs into AA and out in 60th! Happened in the full tilt 15k as welll!
$10 rebuy top two pair looses to flush on the river.

SamTheOldGoat
18-04-2008, 08:12 AM
Cooler obv :(

Chester, did Chorny win in the end? Watched a little in bed last night but coverage was very jumpy!

oz_da II
18-04-2008, 08:18 AM
Isn't that Chorney's tubby gut 3 posts up?

Chester
18-04-2008, 12:36 PM
Chorney won. Went into heads up with a 10 to 1 chip lead.

He made some nice plays but managed to suck out on a few pots which you need to do to win a championship.

Once he got the big stack he was dominant. The final table was an epic. Finished in the early hours of the morning.

I still think his calling the clock after almost no time whilst holding AA was pretty snide to pressure Menlo and also his whining at times got on my nerves.

Not really the winner i was looking for from the final table. BeepBeepImAJeep came 3rd and the Hungarian came second despite being the shortstack it seemed for most of the final table

Chester
18-04-2008, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Isn't that Chorney's tubby gut 3 posts up?

He's no Antonius

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/IMG_1145.jpg

iamanuplander
18-04-2008, 08:21 PM
Did i play this hand correctly?

Game #6818925234: LUCKY £7K FRI (ID6904133) £30+£3 - Hold'em NL (10/20) - 2008/04/18 - 21:16:24 (UK)
Table "6904133 - 1" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: Archie1 (2000 in chips)
Seat 2: Ste221261 (2200 in chips)
Seat 3: Bigd11108 (2180 in chips)
Seat 4: fatgirl10 (2080 in chips)
Seat 5: Costi02 (2000 in chips)
Seat 6: Theflame (1890 in chips)
Seat 7: Jackseye (1800 in chips)
Seat 8: FoxyLady (1880 in chips)
Seat 9: TheRimmer (2130 in chips)
Seat 10: Ant040689 (1840 in chips)
FoxyLady: posts small blind 10
TheRimmer: posts big blind 20
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [9s 9d]
Ant040689: calls 20
Archie1: folds
Ste221261: raises to 80
Bigd11108: folds
fatgirl10: folds
Costi02: folds
Theflame: folds
Jackseye: folds
FoxyLady: folds
TheRimmer: folds
Ant040689: calls 60
----- FLOP ----- [9c Tc 8c]
Ant040689: bets 140
Ste221261: raises to 540
Ant040689: raises to 1760 and is all-in
Ste221261: calls 1220
----- TURN ----- [9c Tc 8c][3c]
----- RIVER ----- [9c Tc 8c 3c][Js]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ant040689: shows [9s 9d] (Three of a kind, Nines, Jack high)
Ste221261: shows [Kc Ks] (A Flush, King high)
Ste221261 collected 3710 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 3710 Main pot 3710 Rake 0
Board [9c Tc 8c 3c Js]
Seat 1: Archie1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ste221261 showed [Kc Ks] and won (3710) with A Flush, King high
Seat 3: Bigd11108 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fatgirl10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Costi02 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Theflame folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Jackseye (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: FoxyLady (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TheRimmer (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Ant040689 showed [9s 9d] and lost with Three of a kind, Nines, Jack high

oz_da II
18-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Depends... :moo:
I'd probably do the same.
Difficult to put him on a better hand than your own after the flop.

iamanuplander
18-04-2008, 08:54 PM
aww well odds wise i was 62% fav so was a gd move by me but still gutted :(

Paul Romain
18-04-2008, 09:11 PM
I might let that go at that stage of the tourney

iamanuplander
18-04-2008, 09:30 PM
might as in you would normally lay it down or might as in rarely?

Paul Romain
18-04-2008, 09:41 PM
i'm edging towards "more often than not" - probably OPR the guy first to see how much of eejit he is

iamanuplander
18-04-2008, 09:57 PM
hes a top pro i knew he had an overpair but was hoping he didnt have a club which he did but i was still favourite so i back by it, i know it was extremely early to mess about like tht but i play to win and if im certain im ahead by 60% or more i go for it. I play very well with a big stack so i saw this as the perfect opportunity to attain those chips

samtheeagle
19-04-2008, 03:15 AM
Having some success with the live tournies at the moment (lets hope it continues for Rio). Played at the Rendezvous in Brighton tonight for the £10 rebuy. 78 runners and came third. Was one of the sickest final tables ive ever been on though. Best hand didint win once. I got my money in with JJ v J3 off suit and lost despite hitting a jack on the flop! JJ v K10 and lost to a river K and JJ v 55 and lost to a flush! Eventually knocked out when my K10 lost to K8! Still £400 profit but cant help but think I should have gone further.

oz_da II
19-04-2008, 03:19 AM
Obviously lesson learned there, fold the fish hooks pre-flop. :moo:

saul1664
19-04-2008, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
I might let that go at that stage of the tourney

It's a difficult decision, it's a terrible flop for trips with flush and straight draw out there and its relatively early in the tournament and you are not pot committed, but also when you shove you are ahead, there's no right or wrong way to play that hand, though I may veer on the side of folding or perhaps calling the raise, and then seeing what the turn brings.

samtheeagle
19-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Pretty pleased with this call.

Full Tilt Poker Game #6097522297: Table Miratan (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:03:07 ET - 2008/04/19
Seat 1: TopK ($76.80)
Seat 2: TightAsANut ($119.40)
Seat 3: tuckerm462 ($381.45)
Seat 4: rigged14 ($223.70)
Seat 5: EL PRADO ($141.85)
Seat 6: mikeford22362 ($19.95)
TightAsANut posts the small blind of $1
tuckerm462 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TightAsANut [9c As]
rigged14 folds
EL PRADO folds
mikeford22362 folds
TopK raises to $6
TightAsANut calls $5
tuckerm462 folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 8h Tc]
TightAsANut checks
TopK checks
*** TURN *** [8c 8h Tc] [2d]
TightAsANut has 15 seconds left to act
TightAsANut checks
TopK bets $20
TightAsANut calls $20
*** RIVER *** [8c 8h Tc 2d] [2c]
TightAsANut checks
TopK bets $50.80, and is all in
TightAsANut has 15 seconds left to act
TightAsANut calls $50.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TopK shows [Jh Qh] two pair, Eights and Twos
TightAsANut shows [9c As] two pair, Eights and Twos
TightAsANut wins the pot ($152.60) with two pair, Eights and Twos
TopK is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $155.60 | Rake $3
Board: [8c 8h Tc 2d 2c]
Seat 1: TopK (button) showed [Jh Qh] and lost with two pair, Eights and Twos
Seat 2: TightAsANut (small blind) showed [9c As] and won ($152.60) with two pair, Eights and Twos
Seat 3: tuckerm462 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: rigged14 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: EL PRADO didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: mikeford22362 didn't bet (folded)

saul1664
20-04-2008, 01:05 AM
What do you do in this situation, always tricky when someone bets out...

PokerStars Game #16853079446: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/19 - 20:59:44 (ET)
Table 'Yunnan' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 ($77.40 in chips)
Seat 2: vanwilder11 ($73.20 in chips)
Seat 3: JWLTOPLAY ($22.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Monarch44 ($51.15 in chips)
Seat 5: GG Lane ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 6: rkm140 ($35.85 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind $0.25
vanwilder11: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kd Kc]
JWLTOPLAY: raises $1.50 to $2
Monarch44: folds
GG Lane: folds
rkm140: calls $2
saul1664: raises $4 to $6
vanwilder11: folds
JWLTOPLAY: calls $4
rkm140: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td As Th]
saul1664: checks
JWLTOPLAY: bets $16.60 and is all-in
saul1664: folds
JWLTOPLAY collected $13.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.50 | Rake $0.70
Board [Td As Th]
Seat 1: saul1664 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: vanwilder11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: JWLTOPLAY collected ($13.80)
Seat 4: Monarch44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GG Lane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rkm140 (button) folded before Flop

iamanuplander
20-04-2008, 09:06 AM
exactly what u did to be honest. You play was fine and i would say you were beat however if he did have less of a stack remaining on the flop like maybe $10 left then a call wud be a good idea but otherwise i think that is a classy play, just unlucky really

iamanuplander
20-04-2008, 06:07 PM
this cheered me up this morning, but i would like ure opinions on how i should of played it cos i know you guys know what your doing. The theme of this pot for me was containment, i didn't want the pot to get splashed because he could have had a straight of a set but i do think i should have min re raised the river. These limits were ridiculously high for me btw!!! had my whole bankroll on the line.

Game #6836426484: Hold'em NL ($10/$20) - 2008/04/20 - 08:43:21 (UK)
Table "Elizkolod" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: farmer-g ($2154 in chips)
Seat 4: Pard01 ($4217.48 in chips)
Seat 5: Ant040689 ($3358 in chips)
Pard01: posts small blind $10
Ant040689: posts big blind $20
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Qd Qs]
farmer-g: folds
Pard01: raises to $60
Ant040689: raises to $180
Pard01: calls $120
----- FLOP ----- [3d 6s 4s]
Pard01: checks
Ant040689: bets $200
Pard01: calls $200
----- TURN ----- [3d 6s 4s][8c]
Pard01: checks
Ant040689: checks
----- RIVER ----- [3d 6s 4s 8c][Th]
Pard01: bets $558
Ant040689: calls $558
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Pard01: shows [Jh Jc] (A Pair of Jacks, Ten high)
Ant040689: shows [Qd Qs] (A Pair of Queens, Ten high)
Ant040689 collected $1874 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $1876 Main pot $1874 Rake $2
Board [3d 6s 4s 8c Th]
Seat 1: farmer-g (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Pard01 (small blind) showed [Jh Jc] and lost with A Pair of Jacks, Ten high
Seat 5: Ant040689 (big blind) showed [Qd Qs] and won ($1874) with A Pair of Queens, Ten high

saul1664
20-04-2008, 06:25 PM
Don't know why you are playing with such high stakes with that small a bankroll (for the limits). Think you need to bet the flop harder (it's not a great flop for you with straight and flush draws). And definetely bet out the turn, if you are prepared to bet the river. You are flat calling the river because you don't know where you stand?

iamanuplander
20-04-2008, 06:55 PM
yeh exactly it was a confused play by me because a lot was on the line, it was a tilt session but i played some good poker on that table, im just happy tht playing in the 0.50/1$ tables like i do now i will soon reach those limits with a bankroll well suited to it and i will hopefully make a huge profit

samtheeagle
20-04-2008, 08:27 PM
You really need to stop doing that. Learn from my mistakes as opposed to your own. Ive busted my bankroll many a time and trust me it feels ten times worse loosing everything then a quick double up.
For the record I bet the flop slightly stronger and once he flat calls you have to bet the turn.
Nice pot anyhows.

Billyd
20-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What do you do in this situation, always tricky when someone bets out...



good fold yeah

Billyd
20-04-2008, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
These limits were ridiculously high for me btw!!! had my whole bankroll on the line.



by doing so you are being so so stupid! exactly how players get bust.move down levels

Billyd
20-04-2008, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle

For the record I bet the flop slightly stronger and once he flat calls you have to bet the turn.
Nice pot anyhows.


i agree, and then deffo just flat call the river! no reraising!!

Chester
20-04-2008, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander


Game #6836426484: Hold'em NL ($10/$20) - 2008/04/20 -

:eek:

Seriously, you obviously can play but stop making basic bankroll errors like this.

samtheeagle
20-04-2008, 09:14 PM
Satelliting an absoloute treat tonight. Tried twice for the Poker Stars Sunday Millions and won both then tried the Full Tilt million guarentee ($500 buyin) and took it down as well. Going to be an interesting night.

Chester
20-04-2008, 09:29 PM
Whats you sn Sam on FT. ill have a follow as im bored

gsaunders22
20-04-2008, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Satelliting an absoloute treat tonight. Tried twice for the Poker Stars Sunday Millions and won both then tried the Full Tilt million guarentee ($500 buyin) and took it down as well. Going to be an interesting night.

Any started yet Sam? Playing in $20fo 6k gp on VC at the moment, early doors but doing ok........

samtheeagle
20-04-2008, 10:04 PM
Decided not to play the Full Tilt and take the tournament dollars. Playing the Sunday Million Stars as we speak. Up to 16k. Start the Sunday Second chance on stars shortly as well and may well play some of the bigger Full Tilt events later.
GL at the tables!

se1eagle
20-04-2008, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What do you do in this situation, always tricky when someone bets out...

PokerStars Game #16853079446: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/19 - 20:59:44 (ET)
Table 'Yunnan' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 ($77.40 in chips)
Seat 2: vanwilder11 ($73.20 in chips)
Seat 3: JWLTOPLAY ($22.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Monarch44 ($51.15 in chips)
Seat 5: GG Lane ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 6: rkm140 ($35.85 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind $0.25
vanwilder11: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kd Kc]
JWLTOPLAY: raises $1.50 to $2
Monarch44: folds
GG Lane: folds
rkm140: calls $2
saul1664: raises $4 to $6
vanwilder11: folds
JWLTOPLAY: calls $4
rkm140: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td As Th]
saul1664: checks
JWLTOPLAY: bets $16.60 and is all-in
saul1664: folds
JWLTOPLAY collected $13.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.50 | Rake $0.70
Board [Td As Th]
Seat 1: saul1664 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: vanwilder11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: JWLTOPLAY collected ($13.80)
Seat 4: Monarch44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GG Lane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rkm140 (button) folded before Flop

You have to bet the flop here and fold to a raise, the check means you don't know where you stand. You could easily have an A, you can't just check/fold KK on an A high flop. Also reraise more preflop given there has been a call

saul1664
20-04-2008, 10:13 PM
This drives me crazy, the only hand I can have is AA...

PokerStars Game #16874463186: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/20 - 18:07:54 (ET)
Table 'Sulamitis II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: UHU888 ($56.90 in chips)
Seat 2: dnsbckr ($59.40 in chips)
Seat 3: a.mrt ($55.35 in chips)
Seat 4: jonigerard ($99.40 in chips)
Seat 5: saul1664 ($48.25 in chips)
Seat 6: tristyle ($61.95 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind $0.25
tristyle: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ac Ad]
UHU888: calls $0.50
dnsbckr: folds
a.mrt: calls $0.50
jonigerard: folds
saul1664: raises $2 to $2.50
tristyle: folds
UHU888: raises $5.50 to $8
a.mrt: folds
saul1664: raises $10 to $18
UHU888: raises $38.90 to $56.90 and is all-in
saul1664: calls $30.25 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kh 4c]
*** TURN *** [Qs Kh 4c] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Qs Kh 4c 2d] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
UHU888: shows [Ks Kd] (three of a kind, Kings)
UHU888 collected $94.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $97.50 | Rake $3
Board [Qs Kh 4c 2d 3h]
Seat 1: UHU888 showed [Ks Kd] and won ($94.50) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: dnsbckr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: a.mrt folded before Flop
Seat 4: jonigerard (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: saul1664 (small blind) showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: tristyle (big blind) folded before Flop

se1eagle
20-04-2008, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
This drives me crazy, the only hand I can have is AA...


Can't fold KK preflop, certainly for c.100BB stacks. Monsters under the bed if you do! :)

saul1664
20-04-2008, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
You have to bet the flop here and fold to a raise, the check means you don't know where you stand. You could easily have an A, you can't just check/fold KK on an A high flop. Also reraise more preflop given there has been a call

That may usually be true. However cannot bet on the flop, he has $16 left, any bet leaves me pot committed, so I either push all in or check. His insta call (he must have already lined the max bet possible) told me he definitely had the A. Difficult to raise more without inducing folds around the table.

se1eagle
20-04-2008, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
That may usually be true. However cannot bet on the flop, he has $16 left, any bet leaves me pot committed, so I either push all in or check. His insta call (he must have already lined the max bet possible) told me he definitely had the A.

I don't think QQ or JJ is folding to your reraise - I take your point re the stack sizes tho, it's a scary situation. I think I still shove though after making it $6 for Villain to call preflop, but given your smaller reraise size maybe checking's ok if you had a read. Do you have any stats on Villain?

Originally posted by saul1664
Difficult to raise more without inducing folds around the table.

Squeeze plays like this often really look like steals - raising more can induce a push from worse but it's really not a terrible result to take down the $4.50 in the pot.

samtheeagle
20-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Lost big stack with AK sooooted! Reraised cutoff raiser but got called. The bet out on the flop wasnt enough and had to fold to a raise on the river although very nearly called with A high.(missed straight and flush draws all over the place.)

saul1664
20-04-2008, 10:58 PM
Lost about 6/7 buy ins mostly in the last hour. Can't win with any given hand...

PokerStars Game #16875567869: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/20 - 18:56:27 (ET)
Table 'Silke' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: SniperCR99 ($47.25 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($58.85 in chips)
Seat 3: FuRtH1982 ($56.85 in chips)
Seat 4: nigreek77 ($48.05 in chips)
Seat 6: StageBoss ($147.40 in chips)
SniperCR99: posts small blind $0.25
saul1664: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [As Ac]
FuRtH1982: folds
nigreek77: folds
StageBoss: raises $1.50 to $2
SniperCR99: folds
saul1664: raises $3.50 to $5.50
StageBoss: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [9d 8d 7c]
saul1664: bets $7.50
StageBoss: raises $20 to $27.50
saul1664: raises $20 to $47.50
StageBoss: raises $46.50 to $94
saul1664: calls $5.85 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9d 8d 7c] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [9d 8d 7c 7s] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
StageBoss: shows [Jd Th] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
StageBoss collected $115.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $117.95 | Rake $2
Board [9d 8d 7c 7s 8c]
Seat 1: SniperCR99 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: saul1664 (big blind) showed [As Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 3: FuRtH1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: nigreek77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: StageBoss (button) showed [Jd Th] and won ($115.95) with a straight, Seven to Jack

samtheeagle
20-04-2008, 11:12 PM
Those Aces not running good for you. UL
As for me just picked it up in the BB against an all in and a call. Re shoved and found my self up against 5's and 7's and luckily held up.
Up to 47k

samtheeagle
20-04-2008, 11:15 PM
Argh! KK looses to A7

gsaunders22
20-04-2008, 11:54 PM
334 runners 26 left, down in 17th place at the mo

gsaunders22
21-04-2008, 12:07 AM
3/20

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 12:19 AM
Liked this flop!

PokerStars Game #16877270273: Tournament #84449109, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2008/04/20 - 20:16:30 (ET)
Table '84449109 899' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: OburgMGD (100045 in chips)
Seat 2: sambhygreen (39084 in chips)
Seat 3: hatapepsi (32658 in chips)
Seat 4: krÝsus (180114 in chips)
Seat 5: carol_py (85634 in chips)
Seat 6: Givati (21460 in chips)
Seat 7: -HonVillSuga (57550 in chips)
Seat 8: OBiggestHead (65121 in chips)
Seat 9: Turob (64600 in chips)
OburgMGD: posts the ante 300
sambhygreen: posts the ante 300
hatapepsi: posts the ante 300
krÝsus: posts the ante 300
carol_py: posts the ante 300
Givati: posts the ante 300
-HonVillSuga: posts the ante 300
OBiggestHead: posts the ante 300
Turob: posts the ante 300
OBiggestHead: posts small blind 1500
Turob: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Qc Ad]
OburgMGD: folds
sambhygreen: raises 6000 to 9000
hatapepsi: folds
krÝsus: calls 9000
carol_py: folds
Givati: folds
-HonVillSuga: folds
OBiggestHead: folds
Turob: calls 6000
*** FLOP *** [Qd Qs 6c]
Turob: checks
sambhygreen: checks
krÝsus: bets 12000
Turob: calls 12000
sambhygreen: raises 17784 to 29784 and is all-in
krÝsus: folds
Turob: calls 17784
*** TURN *** [Qd Qs 6c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Qd Qs 6c Ks] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Turob: shows [Qh Js] (three of a kind, Queens)
sambhygreen: shows [Qc Ad] (three of a kind, Queens - Ace kicker)
sambhygreen collected 102768 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 102768 | Rake 0
Board [Qd Qs 6c Ks 3d]
Seat 1: OburgMGD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sambhygreen showed [Qc Ad] and won (102768) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: hatapepsi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: krÝsus folded on the Flop
Seat 5: carol_py folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Givati folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: -HonVillSuga (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: OBiggestHead (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Turob (big blind) showed [Qh Js] and lost with three of a kind, Queens

gsaunders22
21-04-2008, 12:38 AM
Final table, completely card dead!

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 12:43 AM
Hold on in there saunders GL

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 12:56 AM
580 left from 7100 runners. Blinds starting to take there toll.

gsaunders22
21-04-2008, 01:02 AM
& out in 6th.......blinds 3000/6000 shoved with my last 24000 with 65o in late position, BB had AJs, hit A on flop, no complaints.

Do hate getting that close though......

GL Sam will check on status 2moro

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 01:11 AM
What $$$ for 6th?

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 01:50 AM
Out in 316th right on the next cash bubble! Massive shortstacked and shoved a2. Called by QK which made straight despite hitting 2 pair. Oh well. $700 isnt bad and running well in the $100 rebuys on stars and Tilt.

saul1664
21-04-2008, 02:45 AM
Continues from 1st hand...

PokerStars Game #16879142251: Tournament #85518850, $35+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/04/20 - 21:45:58 (ET)
Table '85518850 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: RicardoA6 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: amandan4 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: apokerdog1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Sterg23 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: jacass44 (1500 in chips)
RicardoA6: posts small blind 10
amandan4: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kc 6c]
apokerdog1: calls 20
Sterg23: calls 20
jacass44: folds
saul1664: calls 20
RicardoA6: calls 10
amandan4: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d Kd 4h]
RicardoA6: checks
amandan4: bets 100
apokerdog1: folds
Sterg23: folds
saul1664: calls 100
RicardoA6: folds
*** TURN *** [6d Kd 4h] [Qd]
amandan4: bets 140
saul1664: calls 140
*** RIVER *** [6d Kd 4h Qd] [3d]
amandan4: checks
saul1664: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
amandan4: shows [4d Kh] (a flush, King high)
saul1664: mucks hand
amandan4 collected 580 from pot
saul1664 said, "ridiculous"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 580 | Rake 0
Board [6d Kd 4h Qd 3d]
Seat 1: saul1664 (button) mucked [Kc 6c]
Seat 2: RicardoA6 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: amandan4 (big blind) showed [4d Kh] and won (580) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: apokerdog1 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Sterg23 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: jacass44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

to last ...

PokerStars Game #16880327355: Tournament #85518850, $35+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/04/20 - 22:42:45 (ET)
Table '85518850 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 (1565 in chips)
Seat 3: amandan4 (2025 in chips)
Seat 6: jacass44 (5410 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind 100
amandan4: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qh Qs]
jacass44: raises 200 to 400
saul1664: raises 1165 to 1565 and is all-in
amandan4: folds
jacass44: calls 1165
*** FLOP *** [Js Tc 6c]
*** TURN *** [Js Tc 6c] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Js Tc 6c 7d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Qh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
jacass44: shows [Th Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
jacass44 collected 3330 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3330 | Rake 0
Board [Js Tc 6c 7d 8h]
Seat 1: saul1664 (small blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: amandan4 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jacass44 (button) showed [Th Jh] and won (3330) with two pair, Jacks and Tens

Second hand was on the bubble as well. Guy on the left was awful, pushed all in on a reraise earlier, original raiser had 67, he had 93.

oz_da II
21-04-2008, 03:12 AM
Would be interesting to hear some comments about the first hand.
Something doesn't seem right. A raise from the button would have cleared out the BB pre-flop. I might B/F the river too.

Chester
21-04-2008, 03:17 AM
Nothing you can do about the first hand really. Guy is gonna call 2 pair all the way. The fact he hit his flush on the river was an added bonus to him.

But for gods sake Saul stop bloody calling every street and raise. Im not sure how you know where anyone is in the pot when you just call all the time!

oz_da II
21-04-2008, 03:23 AM
That's what I was thinking...
I really don't like limping pre-flop, I'd rather fold (but I play about one tourney a month).
Raise > Fold > Limp, I think.

Chester
21-04-2008, 03:30 AM
I seem to have come across as a Saul hater recently which i dont mean to be at all.

But i dont see how you can moan when you do nothing to chase someone out of the pot and let them catch you up. Im all for trapping people but giving them 2 free cards is suicide

oz_da II
21-04-2008, 03:37 AM
I had a few days last week being scared of monsters but this is just ridiculous...

:eek: :eek: :eek: Jordan Morgan and Joe Hachem were involved in a hand that went into the break. In the end, Hachem made a lay down that one professional claimed is "the worst fold in the history of poker."

Jordan Morgan raises to 700 and is called by three players including Joe Hachem on the button.

The flop comes A-7-4 and everyone checks. The turn is a 6 and Morgan bets 2,000. Hachem quickly raises to 7,000. Morgan takes a few moments and reraises to 12,000. Hachem puts in yet another reraise to 22,000. Then Morgan moves all in for 49,000 total, another 27,000 more to Hachem.

Hachem has roughly 27,000 in his stack, and it is unclear who has who covered. Hachem tanks for several long minutes, thinking things over. Eventually, Hachem asks, "You got 8-5 kid?"

After another minute passes or so, Hachem mucks 5-3 for the second nut straight. The table and the crowd that has formed are stunned, and Morgan tables pocket aces.

After the hand, Morgan is up to 96,300. Hachem is sitting with just under 25,000.

Chester
21-04-2008, 03:40 AM
I read that earlier.

Made me :D , especially watching Hachem last week being a complete nob

oz_da II
21-04-2008, 03:53 AM
It goes without saying, he's Victorian. :clown:

gsaunders22
21-04-2008, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
What $$$ for 6th?

Only $267.00. 1st place took down $1700 so a little disappointed.......

saul1664
21-04-2008, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Chester
I seem to have come across as a Saul hater recently which i dont mean to be at all.

But i dont see how you can moan when you do nothing to chase someone out of the pot and let them catch you up. Im all for trapping people but giving them 2 free cards is suicide

I really can't see what I can do about the first hand. Even though I have two pair, its a dangerous board, even more dangerous once the third flush card hits, he has two pair, I push him all in, he calls, I lose and second hand I get all in preflop. The only thing is when you take a couple of beats in a row, your confidence suffers a bit, which is why you play a bit more passive.

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 04:25 PM
I understand he isnt folding but agree you HAVE to raise especially on the turn and stop flat calling on every street.
As for Hachem, thats just stupid.

saul1664
21-04-2008, 04:26 PM
Got a bit more aggressive with my 2 pair. Hmmmmmmm....

PokerStars Game #16889574799: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/21 - 11:47:45 (ET)
Table 'Edna II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Goyounghwan ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: P0k3rSTaR100 ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 4: bl4cksky1 ($60.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Brisso ($56.25 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 ($47.80 in chips)
P0k3rSTaR100: posts small blind $0.25
bl4cksky1: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qc Jc]
Brisso: folds
saul1664: raises $0.50 to $1
Goyounghwan: raises $4.50 to $5.50
P0k3rSTaR100: folds
bl4cksky1: folds
saul1664: calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7c Qs]
saul1664: checks
TeichErnator joins the table at seat #1
Goyounghwan: bets $9
saul1664: raises $9 to $18
Goyounghwan: raises $26.50 to $44.50 and is all-in
saul1664: calls $24.30 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Jd 7c Qs] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 7c Qs Td] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Qc Jc] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Goyounghwan: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Goyounghwan collected $94.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $96.35 | Rake $2
Board [Jd 7c Qs Td Tc]
Seat 2: Goyounghwan (button) showed [Ac As] and won ($94.35) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 3: P0k3rSTaR100 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bl4cksky1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Brisso folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: saul1664 showed [Qc Jc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks

samtheeagle
21-04-2008, 04:40 PM
Can I afford to check this flop? Once I do im Pot Commited but does my large bet show weakness? Pretty Sick call anyhows at this stage of such a big tourny. His OPR stats are very impressive.

PokerStars Game #16880073945: Tournament #85173014, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2008/04/20 - 22:30:23 (ET)
Table '85173014 36' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: sambhygreen (25249 in chips)
Seat 2: ASPoker8 (8625 in chips)
Seat 3: JonTheGREEK (10456 in chips)
Seat 4: F.Briatore (56438 in chips)
Seat 5: WhooooKidd (20384 in chips)
Seat 6: JCSX (17942 in chips)
Seat 7: Aryamehr (41834 in chips)
Seat 8: agriffrod (12000 in chips)
Seat 9: grindnitout (11963 in chips)
sambhygreen: posts the ante 100
ASPoker8: posts the ante 100
JonTheGREEK: posts the ante 100
F.Briatore: posts the ante 100
WhooooKidd: posts the ante 100
JCSX: posts the ante 100
Aryamehr: posts the ante 100
agriffrod: posts the ante 100
grindnitout: posts the ante 100
sambhygreen: posts small blind 500
ASPoker8: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Kd Ad]
JonTheGREEK: folds
F.Briatore: folds
WhooooKidd: folds
JCSX: folds
Aryamehr: raises 1728 to 2728
agriffrod: folds
grindnitout: folds
sambhygreen: raises 4272 to 7000
ASPoker8: folds
Aryamehr: calls 4272
*** FLOP *** [5c 8s 9h]
sambhygreen: bets 15000
Aryamehr: raises 15000 to 30000
sambhygreen: calls 3149 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5c 8s 9h] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [5c 8s 9h 5s] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sambhygreen: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Fives)
Aryamehr: shows [4s 4h] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
Aryamehr collected 52198 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 52198 | Rake 0
Board [5c 8s 9h 5s 7s]
Seat 1: sambhygreen (small blind) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 2: ASPoker8 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: JonTheGREEK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: F.Briatore folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: WhooooKidd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: JCSX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Aryamehr showed [4s 4h] and won (52198) with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 8: agriffrod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: grindnitout (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
21-04-2008, 05:29 PM
He'd have to have a pretty good read on you to make that call, and call the pre-flop raise. You can only check the flop to fold to a raise?

oz_da II
21-04-2008, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Can I afford to check this flop? Once I do im Pot Commited but does my large bet show weakness? Pretty Sick call anyhows at this stage of such a big tourny. His OPR stats are very impressive.


Pairing the board would have been funny. I'd play it the same (well I would have shoved), that's probably the only hand in your range that he beats. Why did you leave yourself $3000?

oz_da II
21-04-2008, 07:27 PM
Always nice to double your stack against a bloke who keeps check raising/shoving dry boards. One of those hands where I was 90% what he had (that would have been my guess). He would have checked a made flush and called a draw. Just hoping he didn't have a heart. I was waiting for the one-outer... :clown:

Full Tilt Poker Game #6122409229: Table Zebra (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Holdem - 14:41:03 ET - 2008/04/21
Seat 1: starvs ($25)
Seat 2: TheGurusGuru ($44.30)
Seat 3: Pav_Attack ($30.20)
Seat 4: Loungert ($25.10)
Seat 6: paguirre82 ($28.70)
Loungert posts the small blind of $0.10
paguirre82 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pav_Attack [9s 9c]
TheGurusGuru raises to $0.85
Pav_Attack calls $0.85
Loungert folds
paguirre82 calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [9h 8h 5h]
paguirre82 checks
TheGurusGuru bets $2.65
Pav_Attack has 15 seconds left to act
Pav_Attack raises to $9
paguirre82 folds
TheGurusGuru raises to $43.45, and is all in
Pav_Attack calls $20.35, and is all in
TheGurusGuru shows [5s 5c]
Pav_Attack shows [9s 9c]
Uncalled bet of $14.10 returned to TheGurusGuru
*** TURN *** [9h 8h 5h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [9h 8h 5h 3c] [7c]
TheGurusGuru shows three of a kind, Fives
Pav_Attack shows three of a kind, Nines
Pav_Attack wins the pot ($59.35) with three of a kind, Nines
TheGurusGuru adds $10.90
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $61.35 | Rake $2
Board: [9h 8h 5h 3c 7c]
Seat 2: TheGurusGuru showed [5s 5c] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 3: Pav_Attack (button) showed [9s 9c] and won ($59.35) with three of a kind, Nines

beef
21-04-2008, 09:31 PM
spending a fair amount of time learning heads-up lately has made me fall in love with top pair, nice call-down from our villain...


Table 'Hammonia III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tkrugrn ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 2: mannemmanu ($37.70 in chips)
Seat 3: counters23 ($52.30 in chips)
Seat 4: J311i3 ($33.15 in chips)
Seat 5: hannibal45 ($9 in chips)
Seat 6: Boyke_Lt ($30 in chips)
hannibal45: posts small blind $0.25
Boyke_Lt: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to counters23 [Jc Th]
tkrugrn: calls $0.50
mannemmanu: calls $0.50
counters23: raises $2.50 to $3
J311i3: calls $3
hannibal45: folds
Boyke_Lt: folds
tkrugrn: calls $2.50
mannemmanu: calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3c 6s]
tkrugrn: checks
mannemmanu: checks
counters23: bets $7.50
J311i3: folds
tkrugrn: calls $7.50
mannemmanu: folds
*** TURN *** [Tc 3c 6s] [5s]
tkrugrn: checks
counters23: bets $26.25
tkrugrn: calls $13.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3c 6s 5s] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tkrugrn: shows [2h 2c] (a pair of Deuces)
counters23: shows [Jc Th] (a pair of Tens)
counters23 collected $51.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.55 | Rake $2.65
Board [Tc 3c 6s 5s Kc]
Seat 1: tkrugrn showed [2h 2c] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 2: mannemmanu folded on the Flop
Seat 3: counters23 showed [Jc Th] and won ($51.90) with a pair of Tens
Seat 4: J311i3 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: hannibal45 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Boyke_Lt (big blind) folded before Flop

saul1664
21-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Out of satellite tournament in 3 hands. First two got AK and got reraised off two flops, 3rd hand JJ ran into AA. :eek:

saul1664
22-04-2008, 12:06 AM
First drop out of the night, was going fairly well, have to be happy to see these hands with only 4 cards in the deck to hit, but ...

PokerStars Game #16900622114: Tournament #85346203, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/04/21 - 20:03:37 (ET)
Table '85346203 12' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bragg_art (5128 in chips)
Seat 2: danielito123 (37433 in chips)
Seat 3: -geezybaby- (34365 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 4: kymlia (3620 in chips)
Seat 5: JasWens (9081 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (5420 in chips)
Seat 7: patsaiyan (22056 in chips)
Seat 8: unimportant (23845 in chips)
Seat 9: Hellrai5er (3700 in chips) is sitting out
bragg_art: posts the ante 25
danielito123: posts the ante 25
kymlia: posts the ante 25
JasWens: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
patsaiyan: posts the ante 25
unimportant: posts the ante 25
Hellrai5er: posts the ante 25
kymlia: posts small blind 150
JasWens: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Jc Js]
saul1664: raises 900 to 1200
patsaiyan: folds
unimportant: calls 1200
Hellrai5er: folds
bragg_art: raises 3903 to 5103 and is all-in
danielito123: folds
kymlia: folds
JasWens: folds
saul1664: raises 292 to 5395 and is all-in
unimportant: calls 4195
*** FLOP *** [Kd 5c 3h]
*** TURN *** [Kd 5c 3h] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 5c 3h 3s] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
unimportant: shows [Ks Ad] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
saul1664 said, "yes"
unimportant collected 584 from side pot
bragg_art: shows [Kh Ah] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
unimportant collected 7980 from main pot
bragg_art collected 7979 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16543 Main pot 15959. Side pot 584. | Rake 0
Board [Kd 5c 3h 3s 9s]
Seat 1: bragg_art showed [Kh Ah] and won (7979) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 2: danielito123 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kymlia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JasWens (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: saul1664 showed [Jc Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 7: patsaiyan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: unimportant showed [Ks Ad] and won (8564) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 9: Hellrai5er folded before Flop (didn't bet)

iamanuplander
22-04-2008, 01:32 AM
o well

Game #6858686004: Hold'em NL ($5/$10) - 2008/04/22 - 02:19:13 (UK)
Table "Gdansk" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Anonpg1 ($1102 in chips)
Seat 2: tooloco11 ($445 in chips)
Seat 3: inicius ($2865.75 in chips)
Seat 4: upquark ($1335 in chips)
Seat 5: Ant040689 ($2966.75 in chips)
Seat 6: djcochran sits out
Ant040689: posts small blind $5
Anonpg1: posts big blind $10
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Kd Kh]
tooloco11: raises to $40
inicius: calls $40
upquark: folds
djcochran sits back
Ant040689: raises to $100
Anonpg1: folds
tooloco11: folds
inicius: raises to $2865.75 and is all-in
Ant040689: calls $2765.75
----- FLOP ----- [Qh 3c Th]
----- TURN ----- [Qh 3c Th][Td]
----- RIVER ----- [Qh 3c Th Td][3s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
inicius: shows [Ad Ac] (Two Pairs, Aces and Tens, Queen high)
Ant040689: shows [Kd Kh] (Two Pairs, Kings and Tens, Queen high)
inicius collected $5778.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $5781.50 Main pot $5778.50 Rake $3
Board [Qh 3c Th Td 3s]
Seat 1: Anonpg1 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tooloco11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: inicius showed [Ad Ac] and won ($5778.50) with Two Pairs, Aces and Tens, Queen high
Seat 4: upquark (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Ant040689 (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with Two Pairs, Kings and Tens, Queen high

oz_da II
22-04-2008, 01:41 AM
Is that busto?

saul1664
22-04-2008, 02:36 AM
Think so. Back to 5c/10c I think.

saul1664
22-04-2008, 02:37 AM
Going well in 6 hander. 2/12. And PLO H/L 8/26, though was chip leader until lost 30K KKK vs AAA.

iamanuplander
22-04-2008, 03:18 AM
not busto, i deposited into my account 13 days ago and afta tht tragic hand im up £800 still. I kind of knew he had it but there was no way i could fold KK when i knew if i won the pot i was buying a car lol. to be honest with you lot i was dominant at this level i was taking them to the cleaners bluffing successfully and value betting immaculately then that hand comes along and the fishy player who won this pot from me wins it in a very unskillful way. With that flop as well i could see myself calling an all in possibly. This pot has taught me lessons which i am going to bore you with i'm afraid:

- Never go against ure instincts unless the pot odds are dying out for a call, with the kings in the above hand my instinct said fold, the pot odds said fold, but i was mesmerized by the cowboys.

- Never play with what you can't afford to lose, to be fair i was on a heater tonight and only lost tonights profits in that hand (and another £200) so i felt it wouldn't be the end of the world if i call and lose, which it wasn't. But i can't afford to play these limits yet. I will do soon when i have accumulated £10000 in my bankroll which i hope to do by september (this could be pushing it). I will be playing with around 5%-8% of my whole bankroll at any one time, which for me is ok and manageable.

- If you ever feel uncomfortable at a cash table, LEAVE! i did all night when i felt like the table werent good for me and stayed most of the night on tables that were being controlled by myself.

- Never play when your emoticionally unsafe to do so, through drink, wife leaving you and whatnot or any other thing. I learnt this lesson only recently and will always play with a good temperament.

- There's more to life than poker and as i am realising now the game can engulf you and you can lose too many hours in a month playing it when really you should be going out with mates and shagging as many birds as possible :) I have been setting my life around poker instead of slotting poker nicely into my life. So lesson learned with this point is time management ----i have got to get a girlfriend is all i know now!

I am happy in a weird way that that pot happened as i have been shook to the high heavens and have realised i need to stop playing poker as much as i have and enjoy my youth a lot more because it can slip away so quickly. Also im only 18. Should i be gambling with $2500? Maybe not, but i will when i can afford to and i need to get to £10000 before i do and i know a lot of you will think £10000 isn't enough to be hitting £500nl games with but i will be chancing it in the future :)

Opinions on any of the points are always welcome. Cheers lads.

oz_da II
22-04-2008, 03:31 AM
Show me a good poker player with poor bankroll management and I'll show you a poor poker player.

beef
22-04-2008, 03:53 AM
I think if you are good enough you can clean up at 1/2 or 2/4 and make some really good money by not putting your stack on the line each time. You aren't going to be able to wing it in high stakes games with a few buyins because variance is higher and the players are better.

I don't have any problem doing time at the micros while my roll grows. The more you play and the more time you spend learning the better you will become. What's stopping you from donking off everything when you next go on megatilt?

saul1664
22-04-2008, 05:16 AM
2nd in the 6 handed. $635 for 2nd. Always had a 2/1 deficit heads up and could never pull it back. Happy as had 140 chips at one stage.

And on final table of PLO H/L though just gone out, hit flush on river but lost to FH, another $120 on top though. Need bed now.

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
First drop out of the night, was going fairly well, have to be happy to see these hands with only 4 cards in the deck to hit, but ...

PokerStars Game #16900622114: Tournament #85346203, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/04/21 - 20:03:37 (ET)
Table '85346203 12' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: bragg_art (5128 in chips)
Seat 2: danielito123 (37433 in chips)
Seat 3: -geezybaby- (34365 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 4: kymlia (3620 in chips)
Seat 5: JasWens (9081 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (5420 in chips)
Seat 7: patsaiyan (22056 in chips)
Seat 8: unimportant (23845 in chips)
Seat 9: Hellrai5er (3700 in chips) is sitting out
bragg_art: posts the ante 25
danielito123: posts the ante 25
kymlia: posts the ante 25
JasWens: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
patsaiyan: posts the ante 25
unimportant: posts the ante 25
Hellrai5er: posts the ante 25
kymlia: posts small blind 150
JasWens: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Jc Js]
saul1664: raises 900 to 1200
patsaiyan: folds
unimportant: calls 1200
Hellrai5er: folds
bragg_art: raises 3903 to 5103 and is all-in
danielito123: folds
kymlia: folds
JasWens: folds
saul1664: raises 292 to 5395 and is all-in
unimportant: calls 4195
*** FLOP *** [Kd 5c 3h]
*** TURN *** [Kd 5c 3h] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 5c 3h 3s] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
unimportant: shows [Ks Ad] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
saul1664 said, "yes"
unimportant collected 584 from side pot
bragg_art: shows [Kh Ah] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
unimportant collected 7980 from main pot
bragg_art collected 7979 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16543 Main pot 15959. Side pot 584. | Rake 0
Board [Kd 5c 3h 3s 9s]
Seat 1: bragg_art showed [Kh Ah] and won (7979) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 2: danielito123 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kymlia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: JasWens (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: saul1664 showed [Jc Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 7: patsaiyan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: unimportant showed [Ks Ad] and won (8564) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 9: Hellrai5er folded before Flop (didn't bet) #

3 Aces and 3 Kings Saul?

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 07:23 AM
Ant, some sensible comments above that I agree with although 5-8% of your roll is NOT enough imo. Have you ever hit a downswing? Have you read Fox's BR Article on pocketfives.com?

Lord_Muffin
22-04-2008, 08:02 AM
Anyone got any good tips for SnGs?

I have been playing really well recently and cashing over 50% of the time. All of a sudden my game has gone down hill. I keep busting out in 4th and 5th. Seem to keep getting outdrawn. Doesn't matter what I have.

The games become mental and at the end and everyone just seems to go all in every other hand.

Maybe I'm just running bad but I'm getting really cheesed off!

Any help from the BBS poker team will be of use.

Thanks

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 10:01 AM
You got a graph? My brother has a 40 buy in down swing at 100-$200 sngs, it happens, just keep getting your money in good and variance will change :)

iamanuplander
22-04-2008, 11:25 AM
good call stog i doubt i could really maintain a 1% use of my bankroll at any one time though so i will be planning on using 2.5%, 5%-8% is too high. So cheers for that input. :)

DANCOO
22-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
#

3 Aces and 3 Kings Saul?

Two callers with AK.

samtheeagle
22-04-2008, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Pairing the board would have been funny. I'd play it the same (well I would have shoved), that's probably the only hand in your range that he beats. Why did you leave yourself $3000?

Its a great call if he puts me on AK. Do you feel he may have folded if I had bet less? No real reason to leave myself with $3000 to be honest, either way he knows im not folding and just felt a pot bet was strong. Looking back that may have looked weak.

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Two callers with AK.

Jeez, I'm blind, UL Saul :(

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
good call stog i doubt i could really maintain a 1% use of my bankroll at any one time though so i will be planning on using 2.5%, 5%-8% is too high. So cheers for that input. :)

Much better idea mate :) It may be a struggle to be playing 1/2 etc but think of it as a grind to make serious wedge without risking the lot....

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 12:44 PM
Chester, I'm reading the three Harringtons again and can't exactly sit at work with my books, do you have 1 and 3 in PDF format chap? Thanks

saul1664
22-04-2008, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
#

3 Aces and 3 Kings Saul?

saul1664
22-04-2008, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Jeez, I'm blind, UL Saul :(

It was the right move, would have been on 15K and in a good position. Was more than happy to pick up $800 from my other two tournaments, though my heads up play isn't good enough at the moment. The $635 was sweet as I had $140 in chips at one stage, has to be the best comeback I've had. Remember, you are never out.

Chester
22-04-2008, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Chester, I'm reading the three Harringtons again and can't exactly sit at work with my books, do you have 1 and 3 in PDF format chap? Thanks

Ill have a look for you mate. Might be on my laptop at home though

Good luck Ant. Have to say it did cheer me up this morning reading Ants bankroll management tips. Hope you make enough for the car soon :p

Chester
22-04-2008, 01:14 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/?dtlym90gagg

Did this work. Should be H on H Vol1

Chester
22-04-2008, 01:30 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/?mj3tprjoxjc

No 3

SamTheOldGoat
22-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Can't open mate, any chance you could email like before mate?

Chester
22-04-2008, 01:50 PM
No worries, pm me your email address. Although im not sure if they will be too big to send butill give it a go

saul1664
22-04-2008, 02:02 PM
Cash games continue to suck. Not enough on the turn?

PokerStars Game #16911903793: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 09:59:20 (ET)
Table 'Sycorax' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gartzz ($56 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($48.15 in chips)
Seat 3: reedey ($50.70 in chips)
Seat 4: IgotDaPNUTZ ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: FIrmFighter ($88.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Appelos ($59.55 in chips)
Appelos: posts small blind $0.25
gartzz: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [As Ad]
saul1664: raises $1.50 to $2
reedey: folds
IgotDaPNUTZ: folds
FIrmFighter: calls $2
Appelos: folds
gartzz: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [9h Tc 5h]
gartzz: checks
saul1664: bets $4.50
FIrmFighter: calls $4.50
gartzz: calls $4.50
*** TURN *** [9h Tc 5h] [5d]
gartzz: checks
saul1664: bets $12.50
FIrmFighter: calls $12.50
gartzz: folds
*** RIVER *** [9h Tc 5h 5d] [2h]
saul1664: bets $15.50
FIrmFighter: raises $54.10 to $69.60 and is all-in
saul1664: calls $13.65 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FIrmFighter: shows [Th Jh] (a flush, Jack high)
saul1664: mucks hand
FIrmFighter collected $100.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $103.05 | Rake $3
Board [9h Tc 5h 5d 2h]
Seat 1: gartzz (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: saul1664 mucked [As Ad]
Seat 3: reedey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: IgotDaPNUTZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: FIrmFighter (button) showed [Th Jh] and won ($100.05) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 6: Appelos (small blind) folded before Flop

saul1664
22-04-2008, 02:11 PM
And again. Not aggressive enough on flop?

PokerStars Game #16912043701: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 10:09:27 (ET)
Table 'Sycorax' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gartzz ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($41.85 in chips)
Seat 3: reedey ($57.45 in chips)
Seat 4: IgotDaPNUTZ ($50.80 in chips)
Seat 5: FIrmFighter ($139.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Appelos ($59.05 in chips)
reedey: posts small blind $0.25
IgotDaPNUTZ: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ad Jh]
FIrmFighter: folds
Appelos: raises $1.50 to $2
gartzz: folds
saul1664: calls $2
reedey: folds
IgotDaPNUTZ: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s Js 3c]
gartzz leaves the table
Appelos: bets $3.25
saul1664: calls $3.25
*** TURN *** [7s Js 3c] [9c]
fioro joins the table at seat #1
Appelos: bets $6
saul1664: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [7s Js 3c 9c] [5h]
Appelos: bets $15
saul1664: calls $15
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Appelos: shows [5s 9s] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
saul1664: mucks hand
Appelos collected $50.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53.25 | Rake $2.60
Board [7s Js 3c 9c 5h]
Seat 1: gartzz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: saul1664 (button) mucked [Ad Jh]
Seat 3: reedey (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: IgotDaPNUTZ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: FIrmFighter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Appelos showed [5s 9s] and won ($50.65) with two pair, Nines and Fives

beef
22-04-2008, 02:19 PM
always seem to lose during the day, down 3 bi at NL50. Saul you're at one of my tables!

samtheeagle
22-04-2008, 02:20 PM
Check call the river on the first hand I think and maybe raise the flop or turn on the second hand. Dont beat yourself up, couple of unluckly hands.

saul1664
22-04-2008, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by beef
always seem to lose during the day, down 3 bi at NL50. Saul you're at one of my tables!

What's your user name?

beef
22-04-2008, 02:35 PM
counters23, just left though

saul1664
22-04-2008, 02:40 PM
ok found you its the other table i am losing at

saul1664
22-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Every one is hitting against me at the moment. Nice river. Maybe more aggressive this one...

PokerStars Game #16912980110: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 11:13:03 (ET)
Table 'Sycorax' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dialtone1 ($42.50 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: reedey ($82.45 in chips)
Seat 4: SirGazza99 ($33.95 in chips)
Seat 5: FIrmFighter ($119.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Appelos ($98.55 in chips)
Appelos: posts small blind $0.25
dialtone1: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [8s Ks]
saul1664: calls $0.50
reedey: raises $1.50 to $2
SirGazza99: calls $2
FIrmFighter: folds
Appelos: calls $1.75
dialtone1: folds
saul1664: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [7h 8h Kc]
Appelos: checks
saul1664: bets $1.50
reedey: raises $1.50 to $3
SirGazza99: folds
Appelos: folds
saul1664: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [7h 8h Kc] [6d]
saul1664: bets $2.50
reedey: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [7h 8h Kc 6d] [Th]
saul1664: bets $4.50
reedey: raises $4.50 to $9
saul1664: calls $4.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
reedey: shows [Ts Kd] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
saul1664: mucks hand
reedey collected $35.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.50 | Rake $1.80
Board [7h 8h Kc 6d Th]
Seat 1: dialtone1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: saul1664 mucked [8s Ks]
Seat 3: reedey showed [Ts Kd] and won ($35.70) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 4: SirGazza99 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: FIrmFighter (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Appelos (small blind) folded on the Flop

And...

Raise on the flop, but he hits his card on the turn, got away from the river relatively cheaply though

PokerStars Game #16913037148: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 11:16:43 (ET)
Table 'Vibilia' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AnnieMD ($14.85 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 ($58.95 in chips)
Seat 3: ozzyrockt ($15.45 in chips)
Seat 4: TFMonty ($40.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Joe0411xx ($70.85 in chips)
Seat 6: discobart1 ($78.50 in chips)
ozzyrockt: posts small blind $0.25
TFMonty: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ad Jc]
Joe0411xx: raises $1 to $1.50
discobart1: folds
AnnieMD: folds
saul1664: calls $1.50
ozzyrockt: folds
TFMonty: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d Jd 7s]
Joe0411xx: bets $3
saul1664: raises $3 to $6
Joe0411xx: calls $3
*** TURN *** [9d Jd 7s] [Td]
Joe0411xx: checks
saul1664: bets $4.50
Joe0411xx: calls $4.50
*** RIVER *** [9d Jd 7s Td] [Ah]
Joe0411xx: bets $7
saul1664: calls $7
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Joe0411xx: shows [6h 8h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
saul1664: mucks hand
Joe0411xx collected $36.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $38.75 | Rake $1.85
Board [9d Jd 7s Td Ah]
Seat 1: AnnieMD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: saul1664 (button) mucked [Ad Jc]
Seat 3: ozzyrockt (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: TFMonty (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Joe0411xx showed [6h 8h] and won ($36.90) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 6: discobart1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

iamanuplander
22-04-2008, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Good luck Ant. Have to say it did cheer me up this morning reading Ants bankroll management tips. Hope you make enough for the car soon :p

cheers mate i hope that hand was a gd thing to happen so i can learn from it, so i now know to steady the ship. Hopefully the car will come with patience :) :p

Chester
22-04-2008, 09:59 PM
No worries, you seem to be on your way to beating that level skill wise but just not the bankroll.

Concentrate on working on that side of your game and follow your bankroll tips and things will be sweet ;)

Im a fellow dulwich boy by the way. College Gardens was where my house was

David Amsalem
22-04-2008, 10:05 PM
LOL at this :p

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 345527110 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, April 22, 21:54:16 GMT 2008
Table Neon 03 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: David Amsalem ( $62.40 )
Seat 2: Seiikyo170 ( $48.75 )
Seat 3: vgazoom4x ( $82.45 )
Seat 4: jatak123 ( $50 )
Seat 5: Rhodos1243 ( $60.85 )
Seat 6: SpinkyDen ( $20 )
David Amsalem posts small blind [$0.25]
Seiikyo170 posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to David Amsalem [ Ac, As ]
vgazoom4x folds
jatak123 folds
Rhodos1243 raises to [$1.75]
David Amsalem raises to [$3.50]
Seiikyo170 folds
Rhodos1243 calls [$1.75]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Ah, 6h ]
David Amsalem checks
Rhodos1243 checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
David Amsalem checks
Rhodos1243 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
David Amsalem bets [$2]
Rhodos1243 raises to [$9]
David Amsalem raises to [$16]
Rhodos1243 calls [$7]
** Showdown **
David Amsalem shows [ Ac, As ] four of a kind, Aces
Rhodos1243 mucks [ Td, Jd ]
** Hand Conclusion **
David Amsalem wins $37.55 from main pot with four of a kind, Aces
************ Game 345527110 ends ************

Don't know if I should have bet the flop or turn but he was a weak player.

Chester
22-04-2008, 11:08 PM
:D

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/greenstein_book.jpg

oz_da II
22-04-2008, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Don't know if I should have bet the flop or turn but he was a weak player.

I think you missed out on some value at the end, bump it up some more, if he's a weak player he's calling any bet.

samtheeagle
23-04-2008, 12:50 AM
LOL at this! The last 15 seconds are classic!
http://www.pokertube.com/ShowMovie.aspx?movieID=ef48683c-1631-430f-a1eb-a038daaf5fee&PokRec=1&comeFrom=Films&StartPage=1&pIndex=1&PageView=0&PokRec=1

samtheeagle
23-04-2008, 01:19 AM
Hit quad aces but would have loved a Q high flop!

Full Tilt Poker Game #6139646776: Table Arcata (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:11:15 ET - 2008/04/22
Seat 1: TheTaker ($426)
Seat 2: b9291974 ($843)
Seat 3: TightAsANut ($1,222.40)
Seat 4: altruistic1 ($163.10)
Seat 6: ShipItGGTHX ($416.50)
b9291974 posts the small blind of $2
TightAsANut posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TightAsANut [As Ah]
altruistic1 folds
ShipItGGTHX raises to $14
TheTaker folds
b9291974 folds
TightAsANut raises to $40
ShipItGGTHX has 15 seconds left to act
ShipItGGTHX calls $26
*** FLOP *** [8h Ad 3c]
TightAsANut has 15 seconds left to act
TightAsANut checks
ShipItGGTHX has 15 seconds left to act
ShipItGGTHX checks
*** TURN *** [8h Ad 3c] [Ac]
TightAsANut bets $50
AudiS6driver sits down
AudiS6driver adds $160
ShipItGGTHX calls $50
*** RIVER *** [8h Ad 3c Ac] [4h]
TightAsANut has 15 seconds left to act
TightAsANut bets $72
ShipItGGTHX calls $72
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TightAsANut shows [As Ah] four of a kind, Aces
ShipItGGTHX mucks
TightAsANut wins the pot ($323) with four of a kind, Aces
ShipItGGTHX adds $145.50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $326 | Rake $3
Board: [8h Ad 3c Ac 4h]
Seat 1: TheTaker (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: b9291974 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: TightAsANut (big blind) showed [As Ah] and won ($323) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: altruistic1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ShipItGGTHX mucked [Kh Kc] - two pair, Aces and Kings

samtheeagle
23-04-2008, 01:21 AM
Any advice for more extraction from that pot?

Chester
23-04-2008, 01:33 AM
confuses you trying to follow it with all the people adding on!

I think you could perhaps bet a bit more on the river but not sure if you could get too much more out of that one.

saul1664
23-04-2008, 01:34 AM
It's difficult with the A on the flop for KK, he clearly does not want to be more committed as he checks the flop, the turn is great for you as it makes it less likely you are holding an ace, so maybe bet more here, but he doesn't raise once in the hand, so think you got value out of him. NH.

oz_da II
23-04-2008, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Any advice for more extraction from that pot?

I think you've done well there. I'm suprised you got a call on the river. He's basically asking you if you've got an ace on the turn when he raises and the response is "yes, I do".

Well played. :p

Chester
23-04-2008, 02:59 AM
AK is the worst hand you can be dealt IMO. Does anyone ever win a flip with this hand?

oz_da II
23-04-2008, 03:13 AM
I win about 50% of them...

Chester
23-04-2008, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I win about 50% of them...

:D , unfortunately i dont have that sample size

Having one of those evenings where i have lost to an underpair every time and lost on the turn or the river when against them.

The most infuriating hand you can get

samtheeagle
23-04-2008, 04:44 AM
Just got $600 in with my Queens against K5 which rivers flush. Not Fun!

SamTheOldGoat
23-04-2008, 08:28 AM
Did you say SHIPITGGTHX?

Seat 3: TightAsANut (big blind) showed [As Ah] and won ($323) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: altruistic1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ShipItGGTHX mucked [Kh Kc] - two pair, Aces and Kings

Lord_Muffin
23-04-2008, 09:17 AM
Played a freeroll on paradise poker last night. Top 10 people won a paradise poker chipset.

Anyway, 667 people entered and I went out in 33rd. Pretty pleased with the way I played as it was a big field.

Would I have cashed if this was a normal buy in MTT with the same amount of people?

saul1664
23-04-2008, 10:24 AM
Yes. Poker Stars has much better freerolls. If you play cash 0.25/0.50, easy to make silver star status, which has a 20K freeroll weekly. Finished 2nd in it last week for 1.7K.

SamTheOldGoat
23-04-2008, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Lord_Muffin
Played a freeroll on paradise poker last night. Top 10 people won a paradise poker chipset.

Anyway, 667 people entered and I went out in 33rd. Pretty pleased with the way I played as it was a big field.

Would I have cashed if this was a normal buy in MTT with the same amount of people?

Yes, in general they will pay top 10% roughly. Well done :)

Lord_Muffin
23-04-2008, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Yes, in general they will pay top 10% roughly. Well done :)

Thanks. Not that well done as I got nothing for nearly 2 hours play. I look at as a good learning experience though.

Lord_Muffin
23-04-2008, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Yes. Poker Stars has much better freerolls. If you play cash 0.25/0.50, easy to make silver star status, which has a 20K freeroll weekly. Finished 2nd in it last week for 1.7K.

Thanks Saul. I'll look into Pokerstars.

SamTheOldGoat
23-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Chester, did you ship it accross pal as haven't received anything at work email? :)

Chester
23-04-2008, 02:17 PM
Sorry, file was too big to email. Have photocopied it and will send it in 2 chunks. Just waiting for IT to hook me up to a new scanner. Hopefully be with you in a bit.

Lord_Muffin
23-04-2008, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Chester, did you ship it accross pal as haven't received anything at work email? :)

I have Harrington 1 and 3 in PDF format. If you PM me your e mail I'll send them now as they are on my work pc.

RichieG
23-04-2008, 03:19 PM
I'm off to Dusk Till Dawn tomorrow to play in the £50 freezout as the first night of my stag do! I'll try and remember to post a report when I come to on Monday!

samtheeagle
23-04-2008, 06:09 PM
Did somone post on here a good rakeback deal for FullTilt a while back?