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Chester
30-06-2008, 12:28 AM
:D

Does no one else die with the lag on Stars. Its horrific. The time to deal the flop, then turn and river kills me

samtheeagle
30-06-2008, 12:32 AM
Thoughts about the push on the flop?

PokerStars Game #18473351042: Tournament #92877159, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (6000/12000) - 2008/06/29 - 20:27:20 (ET)
Table '92877159 8' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Pedral19 (1197893 in chips)
Seat 3: sambhygreen (273236 in chips)
Seat 4: stebaird (132537 in chips)
Seat 5: asamike (308126 in chips)
Seat 7: PP2PP (221708 in chips)
Pedral19: posts the ante 1200
sambhygreen: posts the ante 1200
stebaird: posts the ante 1200
asamike: posts the ante 1200
PP2PP: posts the ante 1200
Pedral19: posts small blind 6000
sambhygreen: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sambhygreen [Qd Qh]
stebaird: folds
asamike: folds
PP2PP: folds
Pedral19: raises 24000 to 36000
sambhygreen: raises 48000 to 84000
Pedral19: calls 48000
*** FLOP *** [3h 9c As]
Pedral19: checks
sambhygreen: bets 188036 and is all-in
Pedral19: calls 188036
*** TURN *** [3h 9c As] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [3h 9c As 7c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pedral19: shows [Qc Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
sambhygreen: shows [Qd Qh] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Pedral19 collected 550072 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 550072 | Rake 0
Board [3h 9c As 7c Ad]
Seat 1: Pedral19 (small blind) showed [Qc Ac] and won (550072) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: sambhygreen (big blind) showed [Qd Qh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 4: stebaird folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: asamike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: PP2PP (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

samtheeagle
30-06-2008, 12:35 AM
Im thinking its very bad, Villan's been playing very loose. Rush of blood to the head from me I think.

saul1664
30-06-2008, 12:41 AM
Managed to crash out of $33 rebuy in 3 consecutive hands.

All in pre flop AA vs J7 rivered flush
Very next hand all in pre flop KK vs A7 (same player) first card out A
Then JJ vs J10 and 99, 9s make trips

Tried to recoup in s&g, got heads up 1.9K vs 7K, played aggressive got to 5K, got all in AJ vs A7, but 25679 flop dooms me.

Running pretty sick on cash PLO, won $375 pot earlier. :eek:

Chester
30-06-2008, 12:41 AM
Id be waiting to see what villains play is on the flop.

Not saying i wouldnt get it in here but i dont like the open shove

beef
30-06-2008, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Sweating Paul. Sorry havent been here for a while. Bloody family

Really hate Stars software too :D

Surprised you should say that, I love the software. It is so fast and responsive, never crashes and is compatible with all the great ahk scripts. I moved to Ipoker for a bit recently and couldn't bare the software so back to Stars I went.

Just bought some custom chip, card and table mods so now the tables look great too :p

Chester
30-06-2008, 12:49 AM
I think i am just so used to Fulltilt software and the like. There is no better out there imo.

I get put on tilt just playing Stars. Mansion was the same. made me go bleurgh

beef
30-06-2008, 12:53 AM
just looking at those cartoon avatars on full tilt makes me want to punch my screen :eek:

Chester
30-06-2008, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by beef
just looking at those cartoon avatars on full tilt makes me want to punch my screen :eek:

I dont have avatars on any site another thing that kills me

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by samtheeagle
Thoughts about the push on the flop?


Don't like it, he's got ace-something far more often than a lower pocket pair which is about the only thing you are beating. Given the equivalent chip stacks of your opponents I'd find a better spot. We've still got just under 20xBB's.

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by beef
just looking at those cartoon avatars on full tilt makes me want to punch my screen :eek:

Turn them off...

beef
30-06-2008, 01:01 AM
can't see myself playing on FT again unless I find a better deposit/withdrawal method than neteller/moneycrookers

samtheeagle
30-06-2008, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Don't like it, he's got ace-something far more often than a lower pocket pair which is about the only thing you are beating. Given the equivalent chip stacks of your opponents I'd find a better spot. We've still got just under 20xBB's.

Yeh, thats what I was thinking right after i'd done it. I make so many plays intinctivly now, I really need to take a deep breath and think about things in some of the big hands.

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 01:52 AM
Huck Seed gawne...

Chester
30-06-2008, 02:05 AM
Come on Barry

Stud makes me wish i was born with a different brain

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 02:33 AM
The Bear exits.

Barry Greenstein Eliminated in 6th Place ($355,200)

Hand #71

Stud-8:

Scotty Nguyen (X-X) {7-Spades} {3-Spades} {4-Clubs} ***-Spades} (X)

Barry Greenstein (X-X) {4-Spades} {A-Diamonds} {A-Hearts} {10-Diamonds} (X)

Michael DeMichele brought it in with the {3-Diamonds}, Scotty Nguyen completed, Barry Greenstein called and DeMichele folded. Greenstein led out on fourth, fifth, and sixth streets and Nguyen called him down. On seventh, Greenstein bet his last 160,000 and Nguyen called.

Greenstein showed two pair, aces and fours, but Nguyen had him beat with {7-?} {7-?} {6-?} in the hole for trip sevens. Greenstein was eliminated in 6th place, and will take home $355,200 for his efforts.

Chester
30-06-2008, 02:42 AM
its like Chinese :D

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 03:09 AM
This one is a bit nasty.

Heads Up in No-Limit Hold'em (Event 48)

Gomes Cracks Aces To Double Up!
Marco Johnson opened with a raise to 280,000 from the button. Alexandre Gomes thought for a minute before declaring he was all in. Johnson insta-called and slammed AdAs on the table. Gomes cringed as his tournament life was on the line with AcTs. The flop came Kc Tc 3h to offer Gomes some hope, and the Brazilian fans blew the roof off the Rio when the Th rolled off on the turn! The Jc on the river left Johnson in a state of disbelief after coming so close to the bracelet, as Gomes doubles through to 4.8 million chips to now hold the lead against Johnson's 4.4 million.

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 03:29 AM
Johnson gets busted not long after, that beat cost him a bracelet and $280,000. Ouch.

GeeTee
30-06-2008, 12:38 PM
Really glad Scotty Nguyen won the H.O.R.S.E main event - always seems a nice guy.

oz_da II
30-06-2008, 12:43 PM
Yes, well done, will more than make up for last year's ME crash and burn.

He even go to do his signature last hand declaration. :p

saul1664
30-06-2008, 02:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsqmovsePVU

saul1664
30-06-2008, 03:48 PM
Not that I want to be flooded with players, but the PLO (high) on betfair has got to be the worst standard I have ever seen. If I hadn't been one outered by quads for $600 the other day, would be well up over 1K in a week (0.25/0.50 and 0.50/1), but am $500-$700 up in 3 days play.

Players unable to put down hands on obvious boards and call and raise the nuts so often its incredible.

lanepe
30-06-2008, 07:50 PM
Anyone play on PokerStars?

DANCOO
30-06-2008, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Not that I want to be flooded with players, but the PLO (high) on betfair has got to be the worst standard I have ever seen. If I hadn't been one outered by quads for $600 the other day, would be well up over 1K in a week (0.25/0.50 and 0.50/1), but am $500-$700 up in 3 days play.

Players unable to put down hands on obvious boards and call and raise the nuts so often its incredible.

Any hi/lo action?

saul1664
30-06-2008, 08:43 PM
No, unfortunately. But you could adapt your game?

SamTheOldGoat
01-07-2008, 06:42 AM
MTT specialists, check out the ipoker network, brothers up 20k in June from MTT's only. That's from 2-7k cashes. Play is something worse than horrific in most cases.

Paul Romain
01-07-2008, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
MTT specialists, check out the ipoker network, brothers up 20k in June from MTT's only. That's from 2-7k cashes. Play is something worse than horrific in most cases.

can you explain this ipoker ntwk to me? does this mean that you are accessing the same tourneys from different sites? if so which ones (what does bro use?)? Cos some of the sites have software that drives me nuts - i want one i can live with

Also - which tourneys has he been playing?

SamTheOldGoat
01-07-2008, 06:09 PM
Easy Paul,
Leon plays on Big Slick, I know there are plenty of other sites on the ipoker network including Ipoker itself. It actually lends itself pretty well to multing with pretty good tiling. He plays anything from 20rebuys up to 200rebuys but stuff that high is rare on the site. Lots of overlay and plenty of 30r etc. Maybe worth checking out mate, as I say, he's been crushing in recent months so it must be weak! He's on a 4k downswing from SNG's but still level with the RB he gets..... gets nearly 40% iirc. If you want any more info or his contact details, let me know mate :)

eaglesrus
01-07-2008, 07:23 PM
Well if anyone has sky switch onto channel 846 tonight at 9 and you will get to see me play (some hands very very very badly). should be funny all the same. let me know what you think!

saul1664
01-07-2008, 07:26 PM
Really sick. Got up to $343 from $100 buy in on Omaha, then lost a $550+ pot when my made FH on the flop of QQQ66 ran into QQQ77 when 7 hit the turn. Left with $11 profit. Shambles.

eaglesrus
01-07-2008, 08:12 PM
This is embarassing, I do not like listening to myself!

Paul Romain
01-07-2008, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
This is embarassing, I do not like listening to myself!

you're lucky - I'm sky+ing two progs and can't watch it!!

Paul Romain
01-07-2008, 08:27 PM
anyone see this...

"phatchoy888 took down the Full Tilt Poker $750k and placed 2nd in the PokerStars Sunday Million for $133k and $110k respectively"

that is incredible!

David Amsalem
02-07-2008, 12:15 AM
If you're on Betfair, go find I MANA SAS NOW - giving his money away but I'm going bed now.

Terrible player. Raising every hand. Re-raising everything. Nutter.

How to play your Kings ;)

***** Betfair Poker Hand History *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 02, 00:10:14 GMT 2008
Table Neon 05 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: sbh ( $49.89 )
Seat 2: MEEEEEEEEEE ( $168.89 )
Seat 3: Vitaeger ( $55.65 )
Seat 4: I MANA SAS ( $28.19 )
Seat 5: sokac ( $40.95 )
Seat 6: GODFATHER88 ( $25 )
sbh posts small blind [$0.25]
MEEEEEEEEEE posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MEEEEEEEEEE [ Ks, Kc ]
Vitaeger raises to [$2]
I MANA SAS raises to [$3.50]
sokac folds
sbh calls [$3.25]
MEEEEEEEEEE goes all-in
MEEEEEEEEEE raises to [$168.89]
Vitaeger folds
I MANA SAS calls [$24.69]
I MANA SAS goes all-in
sbh folds
Returning uncalled bet [$140.70] to MEEEEEEEEEE
** Showdown **
MEEEEEEEEEE shows [ Ks, Kc ]
I MANA SAS shows [ Qc, 9d ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Qs, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
** Hand Conclusion **
MEEEEEEEEEE wins $58.88 from main pot with full house, Kings full of Queens
************ Game 378985882 ends ************

eaglesrus
02-07-2008, 09:24 PM
If any one would like to win a bit of money then your welcome to put a bet on me to win the Forum championships in a couple of weeks!

I am currently the favourite (not quite sure why) but odds of 66/1 seems quite promising so may put an each way bet on myself!

http://www.bluesq.com/bet?action=go_events&type_id=4690

oz_da II
03-07-2008, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Players unable to put down hands on obvious boards and call and raise the nuts so often its incredible.

Been playing some Omaha on the side after watching a few videos and doing a bit of reading. This is so true. Have made a small profit after about 1000 hands. Would have been much larger but got an inevitable 3 outer (I think that is right: he needs the 9d 4c or 4s). Stacks in on the turn

Ah Ac Th 8c

vs

Jd Jh 9c 4d

Board:

9s 7h 2h 5d

9d on the river...

Potted it and raised it on every street. Who knows what he is thinking.

Billyd
03-07-2008, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
anyone see this...

"phatchoy888 took down the Full Tilt Poker $750k and placed 2nd in the PokerStars Sunday Million for $133k and $110k respectively"

that is incredible!


not a bad nights work

oz_da II
04-07-2008, 03:26 AM
The world's biggest donkfest has started today.

Doesn't take long for some dumb moves and unbelievable antics.

Raymond Rahme and one opponent were in a pot that went to the river. At showdown, the board read {Q-Hearts} {4-Spades} {6-Hearts} {8-Clubs} {8-Diamonds}. Rahme's opponent opened {A-Spades} {Q-Spades} and "queens and eights" was called. Rahme put his cards face down on the table and started sliding them towards the dealer. Just as the dealer took them and put them into the muck, Rahme grabbed one of the cards back and opened it, revealing an eight. He protested that he had trip eights and that the pot was rightfully his.

The dealer told him he couldn't win the pot with only one live card, and with his other card in the muck, there was nothing to be done but award the pot to Rahme's opponent. A floor was called, who made the same ruling. A second floor was called, and then an upper-level floor was also summoned to the table. Rahme has been vociferous in his objection that the pot should be his, but we suspect he is going to lose this argument.

This asshat made the final table last year. :eek:

Chester
04-07-2008, 03:39 AM
Kevin Saul Takes a Hit

With the board reading {2-Hearts} {Q-Spades} {J-Diamonds} {6-Diamonds} Kevin Saul bet 1,600 and his opponent moved some chips into the pot. He apparently meant to call but the chips he bet were more than an call and he was forced to make a minimum raise. A raise that Saul called, and when the {Q-Hearts} came on the river Saul checked and the other player thought a bit and said, "I don't know where I am," before checking as well. He held {2-Spades} {2-Clubs} for a full house and Saul mucked his hand."

Im sure there will be plenty to come. Judging by the final table last year this could be a week (4 month) long event

Chester
04-07-2008, 03:59 AM
Timebanked by AA when i shove the short stack as well.

Those people need to be given a slow death. wankers

oz_da II
04-07-2008, 05:46 AM
It doesn't get any better...

What Are The Rules Again?

As the tournament progresses, the concentration of clueless players may decrease but for now, there still appears to be more than a fair smattering of them peppering the tournament.
This hand is a prime example.
Woody Deck was involved and after some thought, he called an opponent's all-in on the river of a Kd 7h 3d Jd 7d board.
Deck showed down pocket Aces including the Ad for the nut flush. His opponent however had forgotten to bring along his Poker For Dummies book as he tabled Ac-7s for trip sevens before punching the air in delight at having "won" the pot.
One remedial poker lesson from the table later and the player was sent baffled away from the table, an expensive lesson that a flush beats trips learnt.

GeeTee
04-07-2008, 11:27 AM
Some real horror stories there.

No shame in this one though (but imagine being on the wrong end of it)-

Quad Aces are Good, Right? ... RIGHT?
Motoyuki "Moto" Mabuchi raises to 850 in middle position and the button calls.

The flop is Ax, Qd, 9x and both check. The turn is 10d and Moto bets 1,600. The button calls. The river is Ad and Moto bets 2,500. The button raises to 8,500 and Moto reraises all in.

The button calls. Moto shows AA for quad aces, but the button has Kd, Jd for the royal flush. Moto is eliminated in stunning fashion.

SamTheOldGoat
04-07-2008, 11:42 AM
The sickest beat alive obviously regardless of the money going in. LOVE IT. :D

Chester
04-07-2008, 12:57 PM
Can you imagine if they had a bad beat jackpot in the WSOP mainevent. Im sure that would be worth a few bob.

He can live off that story for ever!

SamTheOldGoat
04-07-2008, 01:00 PM
I read that the guy who got bad beated was a nit. LOL

oz_da II
04-07-2008, 01:01 PM
Should have bet the flop...

oz_da II
04-07-2008, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
The sickest beat alive obviously regardless of the money going in. LOVE IT. :D

I've seen flopped quads (tens) lose to a royal flush (runner runner).

In the above one he was behind on the turn anyway...

A few weeks ago I had a set of kings on the flop (all in on the flop) lose to a bluffer with pocket sixes (no draw), six turn, six river. That's worse than the above.

Chester
04-07-2008, 01:14 PM
Bloody Aussies always whining and having to get one up on you.

Now which story would i rather tell the one where I lost with quad A's in the WSOP Main Event or when my set of K's was beaten by runner runner 6's down the pub.

:D

oz_da II
04-07-2008, 01:17 PM
I lost almost 3 figures in that hand!!!! :moo:

beef
05-07-2008, 02:30 AM
dropped 9 buyins today, ouchhhh!

oz_da II
05-07-2008, 04:23 AM
Quit after 4...

iamanuplander
05-07-2008, 07:42 AM
i kno there is a bad beat thread but this is the worst i have ever received the old 0.3% against me winning after the flop and is a dramatic comeback to poker after fracturing my collarbone in corfu after taking a corner at 50KMH on a Quad bike and catapulting myself into a wall, so this sums it up :)

Game #6030085793: Double Your Money£10 (ID7603457) £10+£1 - Hold'em NL (200/400) - 2008/07/05 - 08:32:14 (UK)
Table "7603457 - 1" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Maltija (1794 in chips)
Seat 2: Ant040689 (612 in chips)
Seat 3: nobby255 (4398 in chips)
Seat 5: Ickledave (2196 in chips)
Ant040689: posts small blind 200
nobby255: posts big blind 400
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Qs Jh]
Ickledave: folds
Maltija: folds
Ant040689: raises to 612 and is all-in
nobby255: calls 212
----- FLOP ----- [6h Ac Qd]
----- TURN ----- [6h Ac Qd][3c]
----- RIVER ----- [6h Ac Qd 3c][3s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ant040689: shows [Qs Jh] (Two Pairs, Queens and Threes, Ace high)
nobby255: shows [Jd 3h] (Three of a kind, Threes, Ace high)
nobby255 collected 1224 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 1224 Main pot 1224 Rake 0
Board [6h Ac Qd 3c 3s]
Seat 1: Maltija (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Ant040689 (small blind) showed [Qs Jh] and lost with Two Pairs, Queens and Threes, Ace high
Seat 3: nobby255 (big blind) showed [Jd 3h] and won (1224) with Three of a kind, Threes, Ace high
Seat 5: Ickledave folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
05-07-2008, 07:58 AM
That's not really a bad beat is it? And he has to call atc.

oz_da II
05-07-2008, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
i kno there is a bad beat thread but this is the worst i have ever received the old 0.3% against me winning after the flop and is a dramatic comeback to poker after fracturing my collarbone in corfu after taking a corner at 50KMH on a Quad bike and catapulting myself into a wall, so this sums it up :)


Painkillers are goooooooooood :o

iamanuplander
05-07-2008, 08:33 AM
lol oz, i have denied myself of them cos i think im hard. and saul ure right but the hand sort of summed up my week and shows my luck. But im a bit of a weirdo and still have high spirits despite this depressing week :) i now have 4 full weeks of unadulterated pokerage until this baby heals and as my BR was depleted as i needed to pay for the hols money and the 300 euros worth of damage to tht quad bike (!), this couldn't have come at a better time. So i have $230 in my account now and will keep u guys irregularly updated on the rise or fall.

ps. wear helmets where necessary, one of them saved my life. you shud have seen the state of it.

oz_da II
05-07-2008, 08:36 AM
Quad bikes on holidays are baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad :o

oz_da II
05-07-2008, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
ps. wear helmets where necessary, one of them saved my life. you shud have seen the state of it.

What happened to the other one?

iamanuplander
05-07-2008, 08:59 AM
lol. this injury is putting my start in semi pro footie to a bit of a halt im annoyed at that, i also re call u oz taking the mick out of me for saying i cud get semi pro saying u were thinking about a career in being an astronaut lol. My mates dnt think its possible either and have £100 on, against me making it conference south or higher by the time im "retired" but back to the poker anyway, im having a little break due to being annoyed....and am starting to think im slightly mental in adulthood cos i was dropped on the head when i was 2

Chester
07-07-2008, 12:28 AM
Willing to Fold A-A Preflop
Rick Fuller opened the pot for 800, a late position player reraised to 2,800 and Fuller moved all in for 12,000. The LP player paused and took her earphones off as she asked the dealer to count down Fuller's stack. About a minute later, she called and rolled over .

"What took you so long?" asked Fuller as he turned over .

"If you had me covered, I would have folded" she replied.

The aces held and Fuller was eliminated.

iamanuplander
07-07-2008, 02:23 AM
thts madness even if ure approaching a bubble

Chester
07-07-2008, 02:51 AM
I could post countless other examples that get reported of hands that make you weep. Got to love 10k buy ins

gsaunders22
07-07-2008, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
A friend of mine won a seat in the WSOP main event over the weekend. Started off in the $7 re-buy and re-bought once. Won that to get in the $60 rebuy, didn't re-buy once and won into the $500 sat. 80 runners top 2 got seat, expenses etc, he finished in top 2! Crazy...gets a seat, $2750 for flights and expenses, 10 nights in the Golden Nugget hotel and has to wear all the VC poker gear. Lucky begger!!

& for just $14!!

He made it through to day 2 ..... 25300 in chips

oz_da II
07-07-2008, 10:05 AM
Would be cool if he told them where to stick their gear, I wonder what would happen, I'd try it. :D

saul1664
07-07-2008, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Would be cool if he told them where to stick their gear, I wonder what would happen, I'd try it. :D

Participation dependent on wearing their promo stuff.

oz_da II
07-07-2008, 12:50 PM
Wonder what would happen if you took it off once you sat down, surely couldn't pull you out after you had started.

Chester
07-07-2008, 01:00 PM
Or you could just go the whole hog

The Amazing Phil Laak
We've got to give some credit to one of our frequent Shoutbox posters, "fastasleep," for sparking the following investigation, as it looks like we've been duped by the very clever Phil Laak...

On our WSOP registration list for Day 1d, Phil was slated to be in Amazon Blue, Table 33, Seat 8. Our reporters then scanned the area and informed us that he was nowhere to be found. Perhaps an error with the registration list? No worries... it happens. He'll turn up eventually, right?

Hours had passed and there was still no sign of Laak when we noticed fastasleep's Shout Box post:

fastasleep [37 minutes ago]:
"Guys - what's up with Phil Laak....I read a news article that saud [sic] he showed up today with an altered appearance, courtesy of a latex mask, make-up, and a false mustache....? Did anyone get any pictures?"

To borrow one of Phil's most frequently used lines, "Sick... So sick."

At this point, we started doing some investigative reporting and spoke with a few players at the table who'd been there all day.

"Was Phil Laak in the eight seat to start the day?" we asked Alejandro Parada and Cary Anderson.

"Never," said Parada. "That guy was old and he never said a word."

"The guy in that seat came in late, but he was real old. I watch that show I Bet You all the time and I'm sure it wasn't Laak," said Anderson.

A brief discussion ensued at the table and soon thereafter, Anderson altered his original supposition:

"You know, the more I think about it, the guy had a big scar... like a big worm. He wore a Texas hat, but I think he was older. I don't know -- it's possible, I guess," he added.

Moments later, Anderson put the pieces of the puzzle together, giving us the following explanation (paraphrased):

"You know, the guy did come in late and when the dealer asked for his ID, he didn't have any. They then called the floor over and the man in question had a quick discussion with the floorperson away from the table before eventually returning to his seat. 'He's OK,' said the floorman to the table and the player took his seat without saying a single word."

The conversation sparked whispers and "What-ifs" amongst the remaining players on Table 33 and suddenly, the mystery was solved...

The dealer at the table had been sifting through the registration cards of fallen victims amidst the commotion and then he found it... Amazon Blue 33, Seat 8 -- Phil Laak.

Needless to say, we missed his bust-out hand.

A clever stunt made for TV? Perhaps... An "I Bet You" prop bet with Antonio Esfandiari? Certainly plausible.... Being Phil Laak and playing an entire Day 1 of the WSOP Main Event incognito? Ab-so-freakin-lutely awesome.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/phillaaklatexzl1.jpg

iamanuplander
07-07-2008, 04:55 PM
tht is remarkable

Finbar
07-07-2008, 06:01 PM
Remarkable that no one spotted what is clearly a latex mask?

KevTheOptimist
07-07-2008, 09:21 PM
Is the WSOP main event on at the moment? like today? Where can you watch it?

oz_da II
07-07-2008, 09:58 PM
I think it is a rest day

Chester
07-07-2008, 10:08 PM
rest day for today for the dealers championship. Not sure there will be anything online to watch it on

oz_da II
07-07-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah, probably can't watch the dealers championship.

Might be able to watch the WSOP ME here: http://www.bwin-wsoplive.com/

Chester
07-07-2008, 10:22 PM
:D

I wasnt really expecting him to want to watch the dealers championship.

Idont think there will be any coverage of the main event as they have only been showing final tables so far but you never know they might show some from the two featured ones

oz_da II
07-07-2008, 10:28 PM
I remember watching it somewhere last year.

If there is another link/broadcast someone on 2+2 will post it up.

Billyd
08-07-2008, 06:40 PM
double guarantees on stars tournies tonight, get yourself involved!

oz_da II
10-07-2008, 11:03 AM
Have enjoyed my foray into Omaha after saul's recommendation. I've played cash games at the cricket club (quite successfully) and have done a bit of studying this week at www.stoxpoker.com. Amazing how many people think aces is the nuts preflop and post flop, nice example here, holding the nuts and two blokes shove in front of me on the flop. Nice...

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2871276

It's a very interesting game, in another hand I had the nut straight post flop and should have folded to a shove, opponent ended up freerolling me with the same nut straight with a flush draw, he hit the flush on the river. Live and learn...

Finbar
10-07-2008, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by gsaunders22
He made it through to day 2 ..... 25300 in chips

How's he doing now?

Shannon out :sob:

Day 2 Complete "Congratulations on making Day 3 of the Main Event," came the booming voice over the PA system, marking the end of play for Day 2. Redraw slips are being handed out before the chips are re-counted and bagged up for an overnight soak. Today started with 2,379 players looking to chip up for a deep run, though we only have about 855 of them left when all is said and done. Alex Outhred appears to be our Day 2b chip leader, finishing up with 486,800 in chips. Some of the notable names that will not be with us tomorrow: Michael DeMichele, Brian Townsend, Amnon Filipi, Eric Lynch, John Juanda, Clonie Gowen, Shannon Elizabeth, Carlos Mortensen, Phil Laak, Joe Hachem, and defending champion Jerry Yang. A number of big names are still alive though, and will be here tomorrow to do some more work. Among them are Victor Ramdin, Nenad Medic, Phil Hellmuth, Jean-Robert Bellande, Jeff Madsen, John D'Agostino, Phil Gordon, Shawn Sheikhan, Gus Hansen, and Mike Matusow. Play will begin with right around 1,300 players tomorrow at 12:00pm on the dot. That means we have about 650 players to lose before we hit the money, and there's a chance we'll be there by this time tomorrow. We hope you'll join us then for Day 3 of the 2008 Main Event!

gsaunders22
10-07-2008, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
How's he doing now?

Shannon out :sob:

Day 2 Complete "Congratulations on making Day 3 of the Main Event," came the booming voice over the PA system, marking the end of play for Day 2. Redraw slips are being handed out before the chips are re-counted and bagged up for an overnight soak. Today started with 2,379 players looking to chip up for a deep run, though we only have about 855 of them left when all is said and done. Alex Outhred appears to be our Day 2b chip leader, finishing up with 486,800 in chips. Some of the notable names that will not be with us tomorrow: Michael DeMichele, Brian Townsend, Amnon Filipi, Eric Lynch, John Juanda, Clonie Gowen, Shannon Elizabeth, Carlos Mortensen, Phil Laak, Joe Hachem, and defending champion Jerry Yang. A number of big names are still alive though, and will be here tomorrow to do some more work. Among them are Victor Ramdin, Nenad Medic, Phil Hellmuth, Jean-Robert Bellande, Jeff Madsen, John D'Agostino, Phil Gordon, Shawn Sheikhan, Gus Hansen, and Mike Matusow. Play will begin with right around 1,300 players tomorrow at 12:00pm on the dot. That means we have about 650 players to lose before we hit the money, and there's a chance we'll be there by this time tomorrow. We hope you'll join us then for Day 3 of the 2008 Main Event!

He bowed out an hour before the end of day 2a.

iamanuplander
10-07-2008, 04:33 PM
william hill have come out with a new feature called create your own tournaments which makes it really easy to get a tourney going at whatever buy in you want and you have a choice of starting chips. Sounds ideal for this thread i feel to get a tourney going once in a while to see how everybody plays. so get back to me with what buy in you would like (fiver or tenner best?) and what time you want me to set it up for............that is if you guys are interested in the first place!

more info here... http://www.williamhillpoker.com/poker_tournaments-3-30.htm

Billyd
10-07-2008, 04:40 PM
yeah im up for it £5 buy in sounds good, 15 minute levels or something. Il PWN you tho

iamanuplander
10-07-2008, 04:56 PM
i see fighting talk alredy, i will have to slience you then i guess

iamanuplander
10-07-2008, 04:59 PM
:)

Chester
11-07-2008, 01:23 AM
Seriously, dear ••••••• God some people are retarded


Hand Killed, Table Flips

A controversy erupted over on the high Green tables. A player was all in and another player called. Both players turned their cards over, and the raiser walked away, refusing to look at the board. The dealer, thinking that his cards were now dead, mucked his hand and started pushing the pot toward the other player.

That's when the controversy started. The floor was called and the players were asked what their hands were - but neither player could remember exactly what they were. Ultimately, the pot was reconstructed and then split between the two players.

oz_da II
11-07-2008, 01:39 AM
Was this all pre-flop? Very strange. How can they not remember their cards? What's not stopping someone from saying, "I had red aces"?

I don't have much time for people who won't look at the board...

See Shane Warne is doing well.

Chester
11-07-2008, 01:42 AM
I believe it was all in preflop. I like how you cant remember your cards despite pushing all in for your tournament life in the WSOP main event

oz_da II
11-07-2008, 01:48 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
See Shane Warne is doing well.

The kiss of death!!!

Shane Warne 0 -86,000

Take that pieboy! :o

oz_da II
11-07-2008, 01:52 AM
Warne = TT vs AK vs Jh9h

All in pre-flop, ace on the flop

Chester
11-07-2008, 02:15 AM
Suprised he didn't have 88

GeeTee
11-07-2008, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Seriously, dear ••••••• God some people are retarded


Hand Killed, Table Flips

A controversy erupted over on the high Green tables. A player was all in and another player called. Both players turned their cards over, and the raiser walked away, refusing to look at the board. The dealer, thinking that his cards were now dead, mucked his hand and started pushing the pot toward the other player.

That's when the controversy started. The floor was called and the players were asked what their hands were - but neither player could remember exactly what they were. Ultimately, the pot was reconstructed and then split between the two players.

Not sure that's how it was resolved. This must be the same incident right?

Pokernews.com Simon Rinoldi was all in under the gun for 13,600. He was called by Gabriel Chuang, and Rinoldi stood up to await his fate. As he stood up and stepped back from his chair though, the dealer pulled all of the cards into the muck, including Rinoldi's.

The floor was called over, and eventually the supervisor, Charlie Cresi had to be summoned. He took a minute to survey the situation before making his ruling.It's definitely a dead hand," he said, indicating that it was impossible to retrieve the cards from the muck. "In essence, it's the player's responsibility to protect their cards," he added. The decision was made to save Rinoldi's tournament life though. Cresi ruled that a minimum raise -- 3,200 chips -- had to be taken out of Rinoldi's stack, and the pot was awarded to Chuang. Rinoldi was given a 10,200-chip rebate to use in another spot.

Rinoldi was unhappy with the decision, but he very easily could have lost his whole stack in the incident. "I'm making a ruling in fairness to the game," Cresi said. The dealer apologized profusely, though by the rules, Rinoldi was at-fault for failing to cap his cards to prevent them being prematurely mucked.

iamanuplander
11-07-2008, 10:40 AM
you guys are talking about how bad the players are here, isn't the dealer a complete mong and should be the one that is under scrutiny?

Chester
11-07-2008, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by GeeTee
Not sure that's how it was resolved. This must be the same incident right?

Nope, the one you quoted happened earlier!

Chester
11-07-2008, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
you guys are talking about how bad the players are here, isn't the dealer a complete mong and should be the one that is under scrutiny?

Whilst the dealer is clearly a mong, the fact that the players cant remember what cards they had and allowed then to be mucked is even more retarded

iamanuplander
11-07-2008, 06:07 PM
not unless chester one of them was bluffing and somehow duped the dealer to do that to avoid going out

KevTheOptimist
12-07-2008, 07:12 PM
Is the WSOP final table always a few MONTHS after it starts??

Chester
12-07-2008, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Is the WSOP final table always a few MONTHS after it starts??

This is the first year it has been implemented. All to do with the marketing, ESPN and Harrahs think that they can build the players up and market them before the final table to generate extra money.

What is also gay is that they play the final table down to heads up and then come back the next day to play the heads up

oz_da II
12-07-2008, 10:26 PM
4th with 134 left in the the FullTilt Iron Man Gold monthly.

KK>AA wey hey!

Paul Romain
12-07-2008, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
4th with 134 left in the the FullTilt Iron Man Gold monthly.

KK>AA wey hey!

Well I won $15 in the Iron Man Bronze so there!

oz_da II
12-07-2008, 10:54 PM
Nice work. ;)

Minor (perhaps major) feck up, AK<JJ would have been chip leader.
Down to 60th... 84 remaining. :(

oz_da II
12-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Double up with AK. :lux:
40th, 75 left

oz_da II
12-07-2008, 11:15 PM
and finish 40th...

oz_da II
13-07-2008, 07:55 AM
Funny stuff :D

Hellmuth Ends the Day With a Blow-up

Cristian Dragomir opened with a raise to 80,000 before Hellmuth made it 255,000 to go from the small blind. "I hope he doesn't have aces," said Hellmuth as Dragomir asked for a count. After a few moments, Dragomir made the call. They saw a flop of Tc 9c 7s and Hellmuth checked to Dragomir, who thought for a moment before firing a healthy bet of 300,000. Hellmuth sighed in disgust before folding As Kh face-up on the table. Matusow laughed and said to Dragomir to show the bluff, and Dragomir flipped Td 4d! Matusow and the crowd roared in hysterics as Hellmuth jumped out of his seat and stormed around the room berating his opponent for calling his reraise with ten high. "Listen buddy, you're an idiot!" screamed Hellmuth. "This is the Main Event and you are the worst player in history!" he continued as the crowd was loving every moment of the blow-up. Dragomir's entourage continued to cheer as Hellmuth continued the barrage. The TD stepped in and issued a warning to Hellmuth to settle down before Dragomir stood up out of his chair to put Hellmuth back in his place with a cry of, "Enough is enough!" Fortunately for both players the clock ticked over to the end of the level, and the end of the day's play to settle both players down. They eventually shook hands and began to bag up their chips as Mike Matusow summed up the situation best as he shouted, "Thank God for Phil Hellmuth! Thank God for Chris Moneymaker!" What a way to end the day!

Paul Romain
13-07-2008, 08:38 PM
anyone else in the Stars (two) Million tonight? £2.7M pool!

wish me luck :)

saul1664
14-07-2008, 12:53 AM
Good luck. Only a FPP satellite, but you have to laugh...

PokerStars Game #18800714913: Tournament #95619000, 210FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/07/13 - 20:04:24 (ET)
Table '95619000 2' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: marksmizzle (7050 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (1290 in chips)
Seat 3: Mastamaschek (2207 in chips)
Seat 4: Yanquel (3760 in chips)
Seat 5: rascal_319 (2735 in chips)
Seat 6: mastajinx (2145 in chips)
Seat 7: holdemeiv (1850 in chips)
Seat 8: EASY2READ (5748 in chips)
Seat 9: zytic (1255 in chips)
Seat 10: sofahero (1960 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind 100
Mastamaschek: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qc Ad]
Yanquel: folds
rascal_319: folds
mastajinx: folds
holdemeiv: folds
EASY2READ: folds
zytic: folds
sofahero: raises 400 to 600
marksmizzle: folds
saul1664: raises 690 to 1290 and is all-in
Mastamaschek: folds
sofahero: calls 690
*** FLOP *** [8h Kh Js]
*** TURN *** [8h Kh Js] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [8h Kh Js Qs] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Qc Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
sofahero: shows [Jc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
saul1664 collected 2780 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2780 | Rake 0
Board [8h Kh Js Qs Ac]
Seat 1: marksmizzle (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: saul1664 (small blind) showed [Qc Ad] and won (2780) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: Mastamaschek (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Yanquel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rascal_319 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mastajinx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: holdemeiv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: EASY2READ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: zytic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: sofahero showed [Jc Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks

saul1664
14-07-2008, 12:56 AM
And even better sitting on the bubble (top 6 qualify), have 1.4K in chips, blinds 200/400, one player behind me I have covered (has about 1K in chips). The two chip leaders go all in pre flop with QQ vs A10, both with stacks of 5K each! Aces win to send me through by default.

Billyd
14-07-2008, 10:09 AM
Approaching bubble on a MTT what do people think of this play?


Table '94032259 96' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: MyChipsULost (3840 in chips)
Seat 2: baribest (17649 in chips)
Seat 3: snapon37 (2967 in chips)
Seat 4: edmo123 (9030 in chips)
Seat 5: DurangoROCK (3910 in chips)
Seat 6: alysiaabate (25131 in chips)
Seat 7: billyd77 (13408 in chips)
Seat 8: krummet (16323 in chips)
Seat 9: sushihara (14011 in chips)
MyChipsULost: posts the ante 50
baribest: posts the ante 50
snapon37: posts the ante 50
edmo123: posts the ante 50
DurangoROCK: posts the ante 50
alysiaabate: posts the ante 50
billyd77: posts the ante 50
krummet: posts the ante 50
sushihara: posts the ante 50
MyChipsULost: posts small blind 200
baribest: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Ad Kc]
snapon37: folds
edmo123: folds
DurangoROCK: folds
alysiaabate: folds
billyd77: raises 600 to 1000
krummet: folds
sushihara: folds
MyChipsULost: folds
baribest: raises 1800 to 2800
billyd77: raises 10558 to 13358 and is all-in
baribest: calls 10558
*** FLOP *** [Js 5c Qd]
*** TURN *** [Js 5c Qd] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [Js 5c Qd 3d] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
baribest: shows [Jc Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Fives)
billyd77: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Fives)
baribest collected 27366 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27366 | Rake 0
Board [Js 5c Qd 3d 5d]
Seat 1: MyChipsULost (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: baribest (big blind) showed [Jc Jd] and won (27366) with a full house, Jacks full of Fives
Seat 3: snapon37 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: edmo123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DurangoROCK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: alysiaabate folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: billyd77 showed [Ad Kc] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 8: krummet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: sushihara (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet

Billyd
14-07-2008, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Good luck. Only a FPP satellite, but you have to laugh...

P


riverstars

Billyd
14-07-2008, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
anyone else in the Stars (two) Million tonight? £2.7M pool!

wish me luck :)


how did you get on? was desperate to play but was so tired thought i better not

Paul Romain
14-07-2008, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
how did you get on? was desperate to play but was so tired thought i better not

Got up to 2000 of about 6500 left (bubble was about 2100!) - then had AKs in blinds - tried a resteal to cutoff raiser who had me covered but he shoved on me. I could have folded...I'd re-raised 6500 of my 27000 stack only...but I was getting about 6/4 and i was 48/50 against a pair. With his fold equity though I felt he was reshoving with a much wider range there and I had to call. He turned 44 and it held

Just another in the long line of key hands going against me. 60,000 chips would have propelled me into top 400-500 and given me a decent run at a good cash. (there was $280 for coming 2100th and I sattied in for $12!)

I also got near-bubbled out of the Sunday Brawl on FT when a guy shoved a three outer on me with one card to come. What happened next etc :(

edit to include HH:

POKERSTARS GAME #18798556052: TOURNAMENT #94708139, $200+$15 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VIII (400/800) - 2008/07/13 - 18:29:00 (ET)
Table '94708139 258' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: bobbele80 (11809 in chips)
Seat 2: Buuppa (12044 in chips)
Seat 3: Ccour (26690 in chips)
Seat 4: rampart51 (20095 in chips)
Seat 5: St3phenHendr (44075 in chips)
Seat 6: MizouClipper (71909 in chips)
Seat 7: pdp72 (18400 in chips)
Seat 8: jim5432 (26100 in chips)
Seat 9: BraunerBär (16090 in chips)
bobbele80: posts the ante 50
Buuppa: posts the ante 50
Ccour: posts the ante 50
rampart51: posts the ante 50
St3phenHendr: posts the ante 50
MizouClipper: posts the ante 50
pdp72: posts the ante 50
jim5432: posts the ante 50
BraunerBär: posts the ante 50
pdp72: posts small blind 400
jim5432: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jim5432 [Ad Kd]
BraunerBär: folds
bobbele80: folds
Buuppa: folds
Ccour: folds
rampart51: folds
St3phenHendr: raises 1500 to 2300
MizouClipper: folds
MizouClipper is sitting out
pdp72: folds
jim5432: raises 4200 to 6500
MizouClipper has returned
St3phenHendr: raises 37525 to 44025 and is all-in
jim5432: calls 19550 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (17975) returned to St3phenHendr
*** FLOP *** [9c 7s 9s]
*** TURN *** [9c 7s 9s] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [9c 7s 9s Jc] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jim5432: shows [Ad Kd] (a pair of Nines)
St3phenHendr: shows [4c 4d] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
St3phenHendr collected 52950 from pot

DANCOO
16-07-2008, 06:31 AM
Give me strength!

http://www.pokerhand.org/?2899923

saul1664
16-07-2008, 10:47 AM
Don't mind the pre flop bet there, but don't see how he calls the flop bet to be honest, knows you have aces, but generally don't think players care, will keep calling with anything.

SamTheOldGoat
16-07-2008, 10:54 AM
Flop call is nothing short of abysmal tbh!

Got a weekend of degenerate behviour coming up, 3 of my best friends, 2 of which play for a living and myself in Birmingham, lots of poker online and live, partying etc. Can't wait. :D

saul1664
16-07-2008, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Flop call is nothing short of abysmal tbh!

Got a weekend of degenerate behviour coming up, 3 of my best friends, 2 of which play for a living and myself in Birmingham, lots of poker online and live, partying etc. Can't wait. :D

Why? He has nut low and nut flush draw?

SamTheOldGoat
16-07-2008, 11:01 AM
Is this a level Saul?

saul1664
16-07-2008, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
Is this a level Saul?

Eh?

DANCOO
16-07-2008, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Why? He has nut low and nut flush draw?

He needs runner runner for both, it's one of the worse calls I've seen.

saul1664
16-07-2008, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
He needs runner runner for both, it's one of the worse calls I've seen. Sorry I meant pre-flop call.

Funk Butter
16-07-2008, 09:58 PM
Have gotten back to playing a little bit over the last few weeks at PokerStars. Hadn't played for a while and saw that I had $11. Went down to $3 playing $1 SnGs, then managed to creep it back up, then when I got some funds, started with the MTTs. Got some breathing room with final tables on back-to-back nights on Omaha. Now, I'm sitting at about $250 in cash and another $200+ in T$. Want to keep building up slowly, only playing in the $10 range right now.

DANCOO
17-07-2008, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Sorry I meant pre-flop call.
I don't think you can really 'draw' to anything pre-flop.

saul1664
17-07-2008, 02:43 PM
No, what I was saying it was not a bad call pre flop?

budgie
17-07-2008, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I don't think you can really 'draw' to anything pre-flop.

You obviously havn't played the people I come across on Laddies. grrrr

DANCOO
17-07-2008, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
No, what I was saying it was not a bad call pre flop?

No it wasn't, but what was this referring to when STOG said it was a terrible call >>>

Originally posted by saul1664
Why? He has nut low and nut flush draw?

You said it was referring to his pre-flop call, but you can't draw before the flop.

Nevermind, it was fine pre, terrible post.

PoolKing
17-07-2008, 03:38 PM
Grrrr, bad beats really getting on my nerves.....I have lost my last 7 all-ins as a 75% favourite, how many before things may be deemed suspiscious?

I have never been one to suspect poker companies using software that favours certain types of players or deals 'set up' hands but I had a look at my poker network's 'integrity' section which strangely is now not on the main poker page but has to be requested by email or asking via livechat, and the company that reviews handsand acknowledges randomness in cards dealt is actually a subsidiary of microgaming so I don't see how they can describe it as an 'independent body'. I remember before there were downloadable letters from PWC and other accountants verifying cards are dealt totally at random.

Don't get me wrong, I don't go for this 'rigging' lark but if the poker room you were using or looking to sign up to was regulated this loosely would it make you question playing there or is it not an important issue?

Funk Butter
17-07-2008, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Grrrr, bad beats really getting on my nerves.....I have lost my last 7 all-ins as a 75% favourite, how many before things may be deemed suspiscious?

Once upon a time, I tracked all hands that I was involved in where either me or the other player were all-in. I stopped counting when I was at 500 hands, but in those hands I was favorite when all the money went in 60% of the time, but only won 40% of the time. Now, I never worked out the specific percentages of every hand (So I could have been a 55% favorite on the hands which I was a favorite and an 80% underdog on the others, but I doubt it), but that is pretty hard to take over a sample of 500 hands.

PoolKing
17-07-2008, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Once upon a time, I tracked all hands that I was involved in where either me or the other player were all-in. I stopped counting when I was at 500 hands, but in those hands I was favorite when all the money went in 60% of the time, but only won 40% of the time. Now, I never worked out the specific percentages of every hand (So I could have been a 55% favorite on the hands which I was a favorite and an 80% underdog on the others, but I doubt it), but that is pretty hard to take over a sample of 500 hands.

I know what you mean, I use pokertracker and have around 15k of my own hands logged in my latest database.......take AA for example, I have a 91% success rate with this hand yet in my last 10 times with pocket aces I have lost 8 times!

Just got to remind myself that this time will pass ;)

saul1664
17-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
No it wasn't, but what was this referring to when STOG said it was a terrible call >>>



You said it was referring to his pre-flop call, but you can't draw before the flop.

Nevermind, it was fine pre, terrible post.

Mistake on my part, thought you were saying pre-flop was a bad call, and wanted to know why. Post flop play obviously abysmal.

SamTheOldGoat
18-07-2008, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
No it wasn't, but what was this referring to when STOG said it was a terrible call >>>



You said it was referring to his pre-flop call, but you can't draw before the flop.

Nevermind, it was fine pre, terrible post.

Exactly what I was saying :)

SamTheOldGoat
18-07-2008, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I know what you mean, I use pokertracker and have around 15k of my own hands logged in my latest database.......take AA for example, I have a 91% success rate with this hand yet in my last 10 times with pocket aces I have lost 8 times!

Just got to remind myself that this time will pass ;)

When my brother had a 7k downswing in SNG's I spent some time watching him and as you are recalling chap, he couldn't win ANYTHING, so much so it was half funny if it wasn't for the amount of money! That's the whole 'luck' part of poker though I suppose!

Strathclyde Eagle
18-07-2008, 11:10 AM
Change the subject before Son of Selhurst comes back on this thread saying "I told you so."

;)

Chester
18-07-2008, 04:14 PM
I was watching the WPT La Poker classic this week which had a final table of Nam Le, Phil Ivey and Helmuth and it confirmed to me that Helmuth is the biggest retard ever.

If you want to bang your head against a brick wall because of some of the worst plays you will see then download this from poker bay.

Put it this way this is Iveys face when a shortstacked Helmuth flat called the open with JJ before folding the flop.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/hellmuthiveyzu1.jpg

SamTheOldGoat
19-07-2008, 05:34 PM
Chopped £20rebuy last night at the Broadway in Birmingham 4 handed for £1.1k+ or something at 5am! Not bad considering I was smashed in a big way and drinking captains morgan shots at the table! Good times. Still in bed now, spent the day watching golf, eating Dominoes and winning online. I love degen days with the boys :D

oz_da II
19-07-2008, 06:46 PM
Well done on the cash. :p

Been watching the golf as well whilst thumping the bozos at the Omaha micros, great stuff from Sharkey, be amazing if he won.

Try the Dominoes box it tastes better than the pizza... ;)

iamanuplander
20-07-2008, 03:24 AM
As i see this thread has got going agen i will give a little review of how this summer of poker is going on for me. I'm basically down to a pittance now with $480 in my will hill account and $300 in my full tilt one after some terrible tilts wen drunk (which i have stopped, Thankfully!) and some bad luck. I did have $14500 in my will hill account about 4 months ago but lost it due to a ridiculous roulette and blackjack problem which was well documented on here! I made all that money through poker but my degenerate side weren't having any of it. Glad to say im not like that anymore, but i guess ppl will only believe me with evidence so time will tell :)


Another annoyance of mine are the set up hands where i have QQ pre flop and raise and get re-popped to near a min re raise and i know deep down the guy has KK or AA but i just feel i "have to call" then the inevitable low flop comes and i lose a buy in.

Anyone else involved in situations where your nearly certain your beat but you call anyway? (dnt sound too good does it lol)

Also, i just wanted my bankroll to be noted down on the bbs so i will shock myself at how far i have made it rise in a year or so :p

Chester
20-07-2008, 03:44 AM
Seriously, please post more.

As said before you are a degenerate gambler which is why you have lost ALL of your roll on BJ and the like.

Despite you saying you would win big over the summer with proof such as graphs we are left empty.

Bankroll noted, fall to busto also

oz_da II
20-07-2008, 03:44 AM
Very player dependent, I've set mined with QQ against players I know are super tight, and folded to a low flop or taken in a big pot when the Q hits and they flip over AA or KK.

Other noted players (morons) I'll get it in everyday of the week, because they are just as likely to rock up with ace-rag suited.

iamanuplander
20-07-2008, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Seriously, please post more.

As said before you are a degenerate gambler which is why you have lost ALL of your roll on BJ and the like.

Despite you saying you would win big over the summer with proof such as graphs we are left empty.

Bankroll noted, fall to busto also

One thing i disagree with here is you thinking i still am a degenerate gambler. But with recent history i can't fault your viewpoint and the graphs of my rising bankroll will show to prove i am no longer a div lol. I'm putting it down to a youthful phase, one that i have grown out of. I know not many can say they lost tht much money when they were 18 but hey ho i know i have the ability to make it all over agen but this time not p*ss it away

It will be a weekly graph every tuesday evening of my will hill bankroll methinks, after i get my rakeback payments which are also payed out weekly.

I guess that i won't be making a fortune just yet over this summer but i just hope to put down a nice foundation to do so in the future.

And cheers for the instant correspondance

:p

btw oz im much the same with what you described but i find it hard to put into practice sometimes because i do have it instilled in my head that you just can't fold QQ pre-flop, but i guess thats just a phase too :D :o

Reps AJ
20-07-2008, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I've seen flopped quads (tens) lose to a royal flush (runner runner).


The Tom "durrr" Dwan v Son-in-Law heads up one? It was sick and it was for $130k :eek: :eek:

oz_da II
20-07-2008, 11:52 PM
Nah, I think that hand was a straight flush from memory.

The hand I saw was in my live game in a $50 buy-in. The same bloke who got the royal lost most of his stack the next hand when his ace high flush lost to a boat, crazy stuff.

I flopped a straight flush last night with my opponent hitting a boat on the turn. Only problem was it was vs an f'ing shortstack.... :grrr:

Chester
21-07-2008, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
One thing i disagree with here is you thinking i still am a degenerate gambler. But with recent history i can't fault your viewpoint and the graphs of my rising bankroll will show to prove i am no longer a div lol. I'm putting it down to a youthful phase, one that i have grown out of. I know not many can say they lost tht much money when they were 18 but hey ho i know i have the ability to make it all over agen but this time not p*ss it away

It will be a weekly graph every tuesday evening of my will hill bankroll methinks, after i get my rakeback payments which are also payed out weekly.

I guess that i won't be making a fortune just yet over this summer but i just hope to put down a nice foundation to do so in the future.

And cheers for the instant correspondance

:p

btw oz im much the same with what you described but i find it hard to put into practice sometimes because i do have it instilled in my head that you just can't fold QQ pre-flop, but i guess thats just a phase too :D :o

Sorry i came over as very harsh in my post as i was a bit pissed :D

I would be genuinely interested in following a progress report with graphs and the like :p

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 12:48 AM
Stats would be good as well.
Interesting to see how many times you raise UTG with 92o...

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 02:28 AM
lol that hand has so legendary i can't begin to explain and how do you make stats? I use Cryptologic, not sure if that will be an obstacle in recording stats?

And Chester no worries mate :p

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 02:32 AM
Get PokerTracker or PokerOffice, they are about $80, it will pay itself off in no time.

beef
21-07-2008, 02:34 AM
i recommend holdem manager, not sure if it supports crypto though...

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 02:47 AM
poker office seems to hold cryptologic and i will buy this in good time, cheers for the suggestion oz :) hows your game getting on anyway? i see your playing low limit omaha? i stopped playing that game when i had two jacks in my hand and a jack flopped along with a K and a 4, with no flush draw. i get all in and he has two kings in his hand....

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
poker office seems to hold cryptologic and i will buy this in good time, cheers for the suggestion oz :) hows your game getting on anyway? i see your playing low limit omaha? i stopped playing that game when i had two jacks in my hand and a jack flopped along with a K and a 4, with no flush draw. i get all in and he has two kings in his hand....

Quite profitable as many people don't know what they're doing.
The amount of times I've taken down a big pot with a hand such as QQxx
on a board of 999Ax and the guy has an ace in his hand is quite amusing to say the least.

Most times you need to have the nuts if someone is showing extreme aggression. You quite often have to be prepared to give up on what appears to be a strong hand.

I'm about 50/50 (time wise) between Hold 'Em and Omaha. I think a lot of players are going to be moving over to Omaha as the Hold 'Em games become tougher over time.

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 03:13 AM
i think your right about holdem getting generally better but i think there will be plenty of people thinking they are good when they are not and they will lose at every level in the future. And even if games get tougher your profitibilty may remain if you adapt your game to the tougher player by making more bluffs and not walk into tricky traps.

Your argument faulters also in that the poker revolution happened a while ago and still a lot of players havent "matured". im new to poker but hope that the fishiness remains.

I wud agree that omaha is one for the future with the amount of action and wud it be fair to say the margin for profit is higher in the game?

beef
21-07-2008, 03:14 AM
I'd like to have PLO in my arsenal but I'm nowhere near where I want to be at NLHE. Surely it's better to get really good at one and then diversify?

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 03:25 AM
thats what i plan on doing, i am a gd nlhe player now but need to sort out my bankroll issues, as soon as tht is nipped in the bud it should prove for some good stats, Big hed i know but i will be providing evidence lol :D

as soon as i am stable i will start from the bottom in omaha but atm i don't think i could ever be interested with the amount of cards you have to play with! How can u possible put a guy on a hand and even if u flop the nuts someone else might be odds on to the river with a flush and straight draw. I don't think i cud handle tht.

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
i think your right about holdem getting generally better but i think there will be plenty of people thinking they are good when they are not and they will lose at every level in the future. And even if games get tougher your profitibilty may remain if you adapt your game to the tougher player by making more bluffs and not walk into tricky traps.

Your argument faulters also in that the poker revolution happened a while ago and still a lot of players havent "matured". im new to poker but hope that the fishiness remains.

I wud agree that omaha is one for the future with the amount of action and wud it be fair to say the margin for profit is higher in the game?

You agree with me, then you disagreee, then you agree again... :o

There is always going to be shit players joining the "revolution" and shit players sticking around, but what I have found is that in Hold'em you're lucky if there are two players on your table who don't know what they are doing, in PLO you're unlucky if there are only two people not knowing what they are doing.

If the games remain as easy as they appear then yes the margin of profit should be higher.

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by beef
I'd like to have PLO in my arsenal but I'm nowhere near where I want to be at NLHE. Surely it's better to get really good at one and then diversify?

You have to do a lot more thinking and working out hand ranges in Omaha so this could improve your HE game.

Chester
21-07-2008, 03:33 AM
Agree that PLO is the way to go at the moment. So many players have no idea what they are doing (me included as i cant play cash)

But there are still so many fish at NLH it is scary.

Nice score Sam :p

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 03:45 AM
your right chester i was watching a $25/$50 on cryptologic and i saw a guy raise to $300 with AK suited then he was re raised to $1300, standard protocol for me in that position is to fold knowing my ass is grass with him having AA or KK, he wasn't chip committed or anything. He decides to re raise all in for the rest of his $6000 and he is called by KK and loses the hand. I could't believe what i was seeing and if i play those limits in the distant future, i hope there will be more players like him. This is just proving that despite the limit you get bad players, thankfully!

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 03:58 AM
I wouldn't judge a player on that hand, especially if I didn't know anything about any prior history. 3 betting with beans is quite common... (I do it all the time against certain players)

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 04:13 AM
yeh i play tht quite tight myself the AK especially with that strength being shown, the best you could be is 50/50 as the other guy having AQ is nearly out of the question so i see it as a fold becos ure not chip committed but thats just me. In the lower limits i still play it the same because i really don't like AK. Only when i am up against a short stack so your own stack isn't in too much jeopardy

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 04:17 AM
Hmm, I don't think you understand.

I'll shove with any two cards against some noted opponents...

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 06:03 AM
so you mean you would shove bluff as in what i described you wud be the guy with KK or you would shove with AK becos against a noted opponent when they 3 bet they may well be bluffing? or am i way off and we should change topic? lol

oz_da II
21-07-2008, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
so you mean you would shove bluff as in what i described you wud be the guy with KK or you would shove with AK becos against a noted opponent when they 3 bet they may well be bluffing? or am i way off and we should change topic? lol

If you are raising and said opponent is 3 betting you all of the time then AK is gold and I'll shove over the top.

I've got notes on some players that reads, "Constantly 3 bets won't go any further without AA - QQ". This player would be a prime example to use this play against.

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 08:27 AM
Cheers Chester, good weekend to be honest, live and online, pays for some of hte honeymoon anyway :D

As I mentioned my brother and pal both play for a living so playing 10/20 NLHE and the highest stakes SNG's and MTT's online is a fun weekend for sure. Good times! Ps, my pal coaches if anyones interested, could probably provide you a graph of his, a 6 max specialist and receives coaching off Vanessa Selbst, the WSOP bracelet winner for this event!

If anyones interested, he charges about $70 an hour :)

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 08:29 AM
PS, Ant, I highly recommend Hold 'Em Manager. I've used PokerOffice before but having noted Manager this weekend it looks to be quality imo. Definitely give it a spin :)

beef
21-07-2008, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
your right chester i was watching a $25/$50 on cryptologic and i saw a guy raise to $300 with AK suited then he was re raised to $1300, standard protocol for me in that position is to fold knowing my ass is grass with him having AA or KK, he wasn't chip committed or anything. He decides to re raise all in for the rest of his $6000 and he is called by KK and loses the hand. I could't believe what i was seeing and if i play those limits in the distant future, i hope there will be more players like him. This is just proving that despite the limit you get bad players, thankfully!

You realise that AKs is the nuts at this level?

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 08:45 AM
If this is HU especially, the ship is relatively standard imo.

gsaunders22
21-07-2008, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
When my brother had a 7k downswing in SNG's I spent some time watching him and as you are recalling chap, he couldn't win ANYTHING, so much so it was half funny if it wasn't for the amount of money! That's the whole 'luck' part of poker though I suppose!

Different stakes completely but had a big downswing in the $10 sngs I play in. Must have lost a good 16-17 on the bounce (by lost I mean not placing), shocking return on what normally is quite profitable. I looked back at the hand history and the last 10 exiting hands I was either a big or a slight favourite ....lost them all. Any how drew out my last bit of BR in a 'i'm giving up poker' moment and left it for a couple of weeks.

Played 4 sngs since thursday......2nd, 1st, 2nd and 1st. How can you go from 17 without a cash to that?! :D

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 01:41 PM
i dont see myself how AKs was overplayed like that imo i am a very defensive player though tbf and like to play flops before i let loose with my chips unless i want them all in pre flop with AA or KK. What i normally do after a flop even if i don't have a hand is just judge how the other player bets and if i have position i might just rope a dope and bluff when i realise he's full of sh*t, works wonders in cash for me and in the short stint i had at the 10/20 levels i was all over the other guys mainly cos they play "properly" and i know how to abuse that with bluffs. But to be fair it might have been a lucky night......well up until i lost that $5800 pot with KK against AA anyway :p

Heads im all in everyday of the week with AKs especially with the amount of bluffing that is standard, pre flop, just to let u know

Also Sam thanks for the recommendation of holdem manager but it doesn't seem to fully support cryptologic games and unless anyone has anything bad to say about pokeroffice i will be purchasing that shortly as from what i have researched it is fully compatible with William Hill.

eaglesrus
21-07-2008, 02:26 PM
Ok, would like to hear peoples thoughts on the below and the chances of this happening!

Was playing in the forum championship this weekend in Blackpool. Was card dead all saturday but managed to survive the day and worked my way up to 50. Relatively short stacked with the average being around 80 k and the blinds sitting at 4 and 8k. Throughout the Saturday I had failed to see Aces, Kings or Queens and had seen AK once and AJ once. Was quite impressed to be able to work with the crap that I had been dealt!

Second day kicked off with 25 people out of the 200 remaining. A few people got knocked out and I worked my way up to 75k with 18 left. I was then dealt AA in late position. At last I thought! I saw a person in early position raising to 30k. Then a large stack in middle position shoved all in. Happy days I thought (this is my chance to double/tripple up). I push all in for my 80k. The original raiser call's as well. I flip over my aces, the original raiser also flips over ace's. The all in mover flipped over poket kings! This would be a split pot for the Aces if the hand held up. Unfortuantely, it didnt and the orignial raiser flopped Quad Kings!

Not much you can do in that situation and it is the luck of the poker gods. But I was trying to work out the chances of that happening and it must run into the millions! The one good hand that I get in the whole tourmnament is the one I get knocked out with!

Anyway, was a good weekend. Met some good people across a range of forums. Blonde poker along with the Hendon Mob did appalingly which amused me!

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 02:26 PM
Huh? I've just looked at their webpage and it states:

Currently Hold’em Manager works on these sites: Party Poker, Poker Stars, Full Tilt, Absolute, Crypto Network, Prima / Micro Gaming Network, iPoker Network, Bodog, Ultimate Bet, OnGame Network, Everest, Betfair and Pacific.


See:
http://holdemmanager.net/

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 02:31 PM
You must have cashed then chap? What did it pay etc?! Just a cold deck, well played :)

eaglesrus
21-07-2008, 02:43 PM
Only got £100. Most of the prize money was for the winning team. As I was the last surviving APAT member we did not receive any of that POT. Was a really good weekend.

Loving the two day tournaments at the moment. Will be playing in the World tournament at the end of the August and doing my best to qualify for the Virgin tournament. May well be playing in the Luton GUKPT but going to a Tiesto concert on the Friday night so may not be a good idea!

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 02:45 PM
Nice job TIm you absolute raver :D

Ahh yes, from winning Welsh APAT, you played that GUKPT event yet?!

eaglesrus
21-07-2008, 03:19 PM
Not yet. Will either do the Luton one or the blackpool one at Christmas. Would prefer to do the luton one but got a concert I want to go to on the friday night so that woul dnot be the best preperation if i managed to get through to the second day!

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 03:36 PM
I play on Cryptologic network and have imported all my hand historires. I only see USD games even though I haved played USD, GBP and EURO tables.

Are the GBP and EURO hands just ignored or are they converted into USD hand histories without any exchange rates?

Will there be any support for other currencies than USD in the future?


i saw that on the forum of holdem manager. the admin sed it was a flaw of the program. Thts why i sed it doesn't "fully" support crypto but i may still be wrong. I know poker office does support crypto fully, is there anything wrong with that one?

Strathclyde Eagle
21-07-2008, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Not yet. Will either do the Luton one or the blackpool one at Christmas. Would prefer to do the luton one but got a concert I want to go to on the friday night so that woul dnot be the best preperation if i managed to get through to the second day!
Get people to buy shares in you, then pull a Hellmuth and turn up really late. ;)

Just joking, I wouldn't do that really.

SamTheOldGoat
21-07-2008, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
I play on Cryptologic network and have imported all my hand historires. I only see USD games even though I haved played USD, GBP and EURO tables.

Are the GBP and EURO hands just ignored or are they converted into USD hand histories without any exchange rates?

Will there be any support for other currencies than USD in the future?


i saw that on the forum of holdem manager. the admin sed it was a flaw of the program. Thts why i sed it doesn't "fully" support crypto but i may still be wrong. I know poker office does support crypto fully, is there anything wrong with that one?

Nope, however I've used both and prefer the former! Office will be fine though if you're not that picky etc

iamanuplander
21-07-2008, 03:59 PM
nice one, im not that picky lol :)

David Amsalem
22-07-2008, 05:45 PM
Playing cash today and I was dealt in succession - KK, AK, AA and then later on AA, KK, JJ, KJ.

Don't you just love it when that happens?

Funk Butter
22-07-2008, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Playing cash today and I was dealt in succession - KK, AK, AA and then later on AA, KK, JJ, KJ.

Don't you just love it when that happens?
How many of those hands did you actually win? I remember once being dealt QQ 3 hands in a row and winning all at the showdown. The very next hand had 2 queens fall on the flop and when I bet out, people couldn't fold their hands fast enough.

David Amsalem
22-07-2008, 06:41 PM
I lost with the JJ.

Won with the rest without seeing a flop. Only one that saw some sort of action was KK.

Six seater, 25c/50c table and in the BB. First to act raised to $2, everybody calls. I make it $12 or so and everybody folds.

Chester
22-07-2008, 11:20 PM
ESPN are starting their World Series coverage tonight and will be on every tuesday in the States for those that are interested (ie for Pokerbay the next day)

saul1664
24-07-2008, 07:52 AM
So sick. 20K guaranteed, $10 entry, 3.2K runners, get to final table, final 4, chip leader has 3.5M, then decides to sit out and every time the deal comes round, have to wait a minute for him to fold his cards, he gets down to 400K, chip leader has 5M, other guy has 1.6M, I have 1.2M, get all in with KK only for 67 offsuit to make two pair on the flop. Have to be satisfied with 1.6K, top was 4.9K, only 400 difference though if I'd let the sitout fold out. Can't win a PokerStars tourney, think I've been 2nd 2nd 4th for big cashes with lots of runners.

SamTheOldGoat
24-07-2008, 07:58 AM
Congrats Saul, good score there!

PoolKing
24-07-2008, 10:09 AM
Nice cash Saul, are you just doing tournaments at poker stars and are you still playing on betfair at all?

saul1664
24-07-2008, 10:25 AM
mostly tourneys at ps, but don't play as much as I used to. Not playing at betfair at the moment, play occasional cash when I do

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 03:27 AM
Time for a random update on my poker situation. My Will hill bankroll will soon be hitting 4 figures with God's help as i am now on $830. Its a very slow ascent but its been a careful one. Whereby my whole balance hasn't been under jeopordy like i have done in the past. I think the more money i have in my account the more i can safely wager which means the more profit i can make, so with my account being low atm its bound to be slow rise. I think when i reach $5000 it will be full steam ahead with me being able to make $200 in a day, but until then i am going to bide my time and enjoy roasting some terrible excuses for poker players, at my limits now. I feel great by the way and my poker has been solid, as long as i stick to poker, (and not blackjack, roulette, or three card poker!) i might unleash havoc on Will Hill :)

My full tilt account btw remains untouched on $300.

Chester
25-07-2008, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
. Its a very slow ascent but its been a careful one. Whereby my whole balance hasn't been under jeopordy like i have done in the past.



Cheers for the update Ant and well done :p

One thing, please have someone explain to you what bankroll management is!

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 03:55 AM
TY Chester :)

and i have known for a good year what bankroll management is but just chose to ignore it in ze past lol. I am playing $11 sit and gos mainly and with myself 8-11 tabling you can get a nice profit if your hands hold, thing is with playing so many tables you can iron out the bad luck. By playing the percentages, coupled with horrid play by donks, i make a decent profit. Mentioned this to show i am implementing good bankroll management by risking only what is now around 1.4% of my whole account at a time and i am looking to move up to the $22 sngs shortly.

I was advised by STOG btw to have 40 buyins for whatever NLHE game you play but im looking to get it more torwards 70-80. So that's bankroll management for you Chester! lol

Chester
25-07-2008, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
So that's bankroll management for you Chester! lol

:p

Shoot me a pm when you are playing FT or Stars if you are playing and ill rail

oz_da II
25-07-2008, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
Time for a random update on my poker situation. My Will hill bankroll will soon be hitting 4 figures with God's help as i am now on $830.

Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, let me win!!! :o

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Chester
:p

Shoot me a pm when you are playing FT or Stars if you are playing and ill rail

Will do bro :p

when i do go on FULL TILT agen i will be trying to pick up where i left off with this amazing run i had going on the $11 45 person sit and gos.
So it wont be glamorous tournies just yet lol

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, let me win!!! :o

lol. Why not have a pop at allying with the big man himself upstairs? :D

oz_da II
25-07-2008, 04:18 AM
Famous quote from last year's WSOP ME final table.

Chester
25-07-2008, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, let me win!!! :o

:D

i watched the replay of the final table last year the other day. it made me want to give up the game forever

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 04:27 AM
didnt remember lol who said it? i doubt it was jerry yang, was it that south african dude? the old one?

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 04:28 AM
and erm yeh tht american dude that folded QQ on that low flop against yang's JJ shud be hounded down and shot :) lol only joking but he thought he would look good on tv with the "amazing" lay down but just made himself out to be a little too clever

Chester
25-07-2008, 04:31 AM
It was Jerry Yang. whose uselessness at the table was closely followed by his table mates and Lee Watkinsons wife

Some of the worst poker i have ever seen.

Ant if you dont do it already watch any televised poker episodes from the WSOP, WPT etc it will teach you a lot of how people are generally awful

Chester
25-07-2008, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
and erm yeh tht american dude that folded QQ on that low flop against yang's JJ shud be hounded down and shot :) lol only joking but he thought he would look good on tv with the "amazing" lay down but just made himself out to be a little too clever

This is possibly the worst you will watch in MTT's I cringed when i watched that hand again. Simply awful both pre and post flop

oz_da II
25-07-2008, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
and erm yeh tht american dude that folded QQ on that low flop against yang's JJ shud be hounded down and shot :) lol only joking but he thought he would look good on tv with the "amazing" lay down but just made himself out to be a little too clever

Lee Childs :D They still rip the piss out of him on PokerRoad Radio. Quite funny.

oz_da II
25-07-2008, 05:48 AM
It was a ridiculous table. Who knows what Hilm was thinking. Lee Childs spent more time with his dad than on the table, he's one strange bloke.
The South African pensioner was awful.

The only way Yang could win it was to do what he did, act agro and pray. The Russian was by far the best player on that table.

iamanuplander
25-07-2008, 07:50 AM
i second that, and couldn't believe hilm played like a di ck i know he is a very gd player when he is up for it. But i think he thought he was invincible from the get go and was desperate for action so he cud show off his skills, but instead he wasn't tight enough. You say the russian was the best player but i thought the northerner was decent along with the guy hu lost heds up. but tht is from memory and i can't really remember tht well lol

Chester
25-07-2008, 12:44 PM
Hilm, Watkinson and Childs must wake up in a cold sweat every time they think back to the final table. Each of them spectacularly self destructed when all they had to do was be patient.

Tuan Lam (runner up) only played about 3 hands the entire time and found himself heads up. Kravchenko ? was the only one who played like a normal poker player. Some of Yangs "aggressive" plays were simply dire especially against Kravchenko who was clearly playing tight.

I had to switch off the replay the other day as I wanted to cry.

Chester
25-07-2008, 12:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s31YQAJN7ac

Strathclyde Eagle
25-07-2008, 02:04 PM
Ok, so Yang sucked out on more than a few occasions, but his aggression made other players lay down better hands and he did what he said he would with the money (i.e. give a percentage to charity).

On the scale of dislikeable winners of the Main Event he's a million miles behind Jamie Gold.

Chester
25-07-2008, 02:13 PM
he is a million miles behind a lot of the main event winners in terms of his likeability mainly due to the fact that he has kept himself to himself which i have a lot of respect for.

he sucked out on more than a few occasion! (God knows how many times you have to do it to win the Main Event) But others lost the Main Event rather than him winning it. His play vs Kravchenko who was clearly the tightest player at the table due to coming in as the short stack was awful and led to him doubling him up 3 times

saul1664
26-07-2008, 10:06 PM
See Scotty Nyugen took down the HORSE event, and the final table of the WSOP seems to be 9 unknowns again. Jesus only managed a 2nd in a stud tourney and nothing for Hellmuth or Ivey for that matter.

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 06:23 AM
Hey people, random update agen to try and perk up this thread cos it is having one of those spells :)

I think i sed i had my bankroll at $800+ recently, but that is no longer the case as it has dwindled quite embarrasingly to $500. This happened with very poor bankroll play but this time there was a logical reason for it!

I think i have told you before i am a VIP player at William hill and as such they have freerolls and they were having one for a carribean poker cruise (CPC), the holiday worth either $8,000 or $10,000 (not sure), with an average of around 20 participating. The only drawback was that i needed to have earned 2000mpps by the start of the week to get into it but had only half of that, so i had the nasty task of trying to accumulate what normally average in a week in 24 hours :(

This meant i was grinding on 8 $100 nl tables (playing these limits being the sure fire way of securing the points). And so ensued the 12 hour poker session that started fantastically getting my BR up to $1000 but after a runner runner got me for $100 i had a moment of tilt madness which i don't have too often, and saw myself all in with 65 on a 634 board with myself knowing he had an over pair. So cancelling out my profit i felt dejected and when i feel like this i stop but as i wouldn't because i had already gone this far and had to play 6 more hours so i continued.

This brought about myself playing very good poker, quite shockingly, and mainly the reason why i lost $400 in the next 6 hours making the mpps was because of variance. I was pleased by my play and had to see aces busted all in against QQ and many other things that would have demoralised me in the past but i kept it together. This left my bankroll at $500 (which is m0re than enough for me to recoup). Anyway i made the mpps with an hour and a half to spare. Which meant sleep was in order. Only after i had asked my mum to be my alarm clock and wake me 10 mins before it started.

Apparently, she had made what she had described as quite valid efforts to wake me up but in reality it was a distant shout from the front room with herself planted on the sofa watching the news or what not but my bro saved the day and got me up 15 mins beforehand.......shame i fell back to sleep missing the first 20 mins of the tourney! lol.

So with the poker i was to be pitted up against the creme de la creme of the cryptologic site up against the pros that play on the huge limits whether they be tournament specialists or high limit cash grinders, these guys were a scary lot im telling you! Without a doubt i was the most inexperienced at the two table 20 man tournament and rated myself to win the sole holiday at a very slim chance indeed.

So i thought for a minute and remembered gus hansen playing a tournament in las vegas, (i think poker superstars) whereby he went all in every hand so as to come first as that was his only option. Adapting this style slightly i thought that if i see flops i will be outplyed so i should be uber agressive and make sure the odds of me winning a hand were more up to chance instead of skill. It didnt serve me well with them knowing my raises were in position and weak and i was whittled down to 15BB. So when i saw KJ suited i was looking for an all in pre flop to any original raiser for fold equity, while i still had it and even if i get called to have live cards. UTG raiser 4x BB was my customer. I was praying he had AQ to give my hand a decent chance of snagging but after i re raise all in hoping there was a possible fold on (unlikely i knew) he called with KA. Flop brought a Jack and i double up.

I make the last ten in eighth place. I continue to go mental raising in position but then see 77 on the button with ppl beforehand folding i raise it up, small blind folds but i get re raised by the BB. The tourney awards first place only so eyeing up a race i instacall. He has 99 and i lose, i now am crippled with 4 BB. But have a stroke of luck in the form of an early all inner whereby i will have a heads up race if i call rather than up against 4 ppl for my tourney life. I call with 89 suited and i am chuffed to see him have AQ cue the 8 and i have doubled up. I believe i go all in twice after with crap but it gets folded around, so my stack is now quite respectable and now i see AK utg. I go all in and the player in the next position goes all in. I knew straight away he had huge strength i doubt he would have done that with 1010 or under or AQ or under. So in reality now im in a race or i am crucified. But he has QQ and an ace snags the flop so i am now in real good shape.

Now ensues the best part of my game which is when having a good to huge stack i bully well without having to take flops and risk any chips, instead, letting others go all in and knock eachother out. Which boded well for me as i was now doing well with four people left. There wasn't much action for the first two blind stages of this foursome but kicked into life when i was on the big blind with KQ suited. UTG folded along with the button and the small blind limped, so sensing weakness i raise 4x BB to take it down. Only for an insta all in. My thought process here was instant all in over the top is a little weak in my opinion when if he had AA or KK he wud call and let me crucify myself as he couldnt afford me folding when he had such a nice hand. I thought long and hard and realise if i called and won i wud be in second place and looking good. Also with KQ and the pot odds i shud call against alot of the hands he cud have. So i assumed A10 AJ or a lower pair was in his hand and he had AJ but my KQ would win when a King hit the flop.

3 players now and thankfully have good reads on both of them and couldn't have had a more ideal last two because they were both solid who only raised pre flop with a good hand and would tend to only call with a good hand as well. So i was in heaven. I took down blinds like there was no tomorrow but still maintained that aura of not being up to mischief by folding on the small blind every so often so everytime i did raise i maintained some sort of legitimacy. But anyway i find AA on the SB and thankfully i was clearly seen at tht point to be up to mischief so i raised 3x BB and was called flop came K Q 4 and i go all in off the cuff to appear as if i had crap and was bluffing and i knew it was likely he hit some of that board. He did and called me with K5, turn came a 5 and the river another 5 for me to be in last place but still in decent shape. Somehow they still play meek pre flop and let me get back up to second. Then i get dealt AQ on the BB, button folds and SB raises a third of his stack which was about 4x BB to which i move all in and he calls with KJ, i hit two queens on the flop and that was the end of that.

So, heads up now for the £5000-£4000 holiday under the sun of the caribbean, in luxury accomadation and what not with complimentary this and that. I am in a 2:1 chip lead but up against the guy who is the runaway leader of the tournament leaderboard and has been for months now! After some neat play by both of us whereby i could tell he knew i was scheming we come to the the last hand of the tournament. Im on the BB with AK of clubs and get raised 4xBB i instantly re raise all in and he calls with JJ. Flop comes A K 5 then 2, then 7.

Yep, so yeh its 11pm on a saturday night and i go absolutely ballistic at the top of my voice, and i still havent got over it. the details of what i have won are on the website i am going to link u up with and in summary i was pleased that i wasn't hanging about and that my strategy was in keeping with looking for first. I was lucky on occasions and you need that but i was most pleased with my play 4 handed and downwards. Especially my QK call against AJ, which if i would have folded i wouldn't have given myself a fighting chance of winning, and i knew it could be a near enough coin flip situation and it was when he had AJ. My blind stealing later on was good and in general i can't believe my luck! I'm only one of two main event package winners with over 50 so far securing a "lite" package

http://www.williamhillpoker.com/poker_tournaments-3-25.htm

oz_da II
28-07-2008, 06:52 AM
Well done, sounds like you did a "Jerry Yang".

Did you get the, "Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, let me win!!!" going when you were behind?

oz_da II
28-07-2008, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
and nothing for Hellmuth or Ivey for that matter.

I wouldn't mind "nothing"

Hellmuth cashes for $357,359 (not including entries)
Ivey cashes for $204,968 (although I do believe Ivey lost heaps in prop bets for not winning a bracelet)

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 07:04 AM
I did indeed do a jerry yang lol. But as i sed there was a method to my madness as there was only one spot available and i wanted to give myself a fighting chance of getting it by being loose and not blinding myself out. With yang in the main event he could have slowed down once he had a fair amount of chips and the difference between us two is that i sort of did slow down up until the KQ hand where i had to push.

And nope i didnt go for that quote at any of the all ins but instead felt resigned to the fact i was going out lol. The quote when it was over i believe was, "get the f**k in, i have won a F**king holiday! YYYEEEESSSS"

SamTheOldGoat
28-07-2008, 07:42 AM
Congrats Ant!

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 08:23 AM
Cheers STOG :p

Finbar
28-07-2008, 08:31 AM
Great stuff :lux:

Think that's the 3rd 'big win' on this thread, any I missed? I know there are a couple of long term winners on here but not aware of any one off big wins

(Paul Romain and PookKing being the one off big winners so far)

SamTheOldGoat
28-07-2008, 09:04 AM
My brothers had a big one and he's on this thread! 35k one week, 5k the next! PR's had one massive cash too!

Finbar
28-07-2008, 09:25 AM
Non posters don't count :D

Actually of course he does (assuming he's a Palace fan, non fans and non posters don't count!!) and that is very very impressive :p

4 big wins then, next year one of us (and that would take me playing regularly and improving a lot!) must qualify for the WSOP :p

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 10:17 AM
how about $150000 tht wud be a nice pay day won't it? :D

that's the first prize for the main event on this boat, i cud buy a lot of penny sweets with that!

Finbar
28-07-2008, 10:23 AM
would be a very nice payday, good luck!!

When is it?

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 10:44 AM
16th to the 23rd of november shud be a good laugh, hopefully full of attractive women that are seduced by the "british" accent :D

Finbar
28-07-2008, 10:46 AM
So is it only a package for one?

If I ever won something like that I think I would want it to be for 1!!

Though as it falls during Uni term time I trust you'll have to pass on it anyway :D

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 10:55 AM
lol im bringing my mate with me cos if i bring a girl if u fall out with her as soon as u arrive your in for a torrid hols. Plus my mate won't mind me playing a lot of poker :). and as for it being during term time, im using the old im going for a family holiday to see my gran for her birthday. :D

the link for the description of the hols is on one of the other posts i did on this page btw

Finbar
28-07-2008, 10:57 AM
Your mate won't mind you playing a lot of poker...

I should f***ing hope he wouldn't!!! :)

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 11:08 AM
yeh he sorta owes me big time for this lol

DANCOO
28-07-2008, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Finbar
Great stuff :lux:

Think that's the 3rd 'big win' on this thread, any I missed? I know there are a couple of long term winners on here but not aware of any one off big wins

(Paul Romain and PookKing being the one off big winners so far)

I think I had the first 'biggie' of 11k, which PK and Funk Butter later destroyed. :D

Well done Ant (I assume that's your name :confused: :) )

Finbar
28-07-2008, 11:47 AM
Yep, I think 5 figures counts as a biggie

Wasn't aware FB won a big one, how much was that?

From memory PoolKing won about $25k and Paul Romain $34k

DANCOO
28-07-2008, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Finbar
Yep, I think 5 figures counts as a biggie

Wasn't aware FB won a big one, how much was that?

From memory PoolKing won about $25k and Paul Romain $34k

It was at the 2005 WSOP.

Edit: He finished in 295th for $24,395

Paul Romain
28-07-2008, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Finbar
Yep, I think 5 figures counts as a biggie

Wasn't aware FB won a big one, how much was that?

From memory PoolKing won about $25k and Paul Romain $34k

$31k for 5th in the Full Tilt Sunday $750k

Having said that if I don't break a losing flip run of about 50 billion zillion hands soon it will all be gone!! (there may be a slight, albeit very slight, exaggeration in there!)

Finbar
28-07-2008, 12:09 PM
Well if you're still living off it after what must be close to a year that's not too bad :p

Chester
28-07-2008, 12:54 PM
LMAO well done Ant :p

iamanuplander
28-07-2008, 03:28 PM
Cheers DANCOO and cheers Chester. i just can't wait to get on that boat now, i believe pokerlistings will have hand to hand updates of the event as well so you will be able to see if i am pulling off any 27 offsuit re raises all in pre flop and showing them, and then calling the player a chump :D

PoolKing
28-07-2008, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
From memory PoolKing won about $25k

Too long ago :sob: :D

Paul Romain
29-07-2008, 06:40 PM
Wonders will never cease - a final table at long last!

Only $580 for 6th (AA ran into set on K42 flop when pretty much pot committed) but better than the nothing Ive been getting used to!

jim5432 is back! :D

saul1664
29-07-2008, 10:59 PM
Great. Back to tourneys methinks...

PokerStars Game #19204494272: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/29 - 18:54:03 (ET)
Table 'Juliet V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Snusy ($58.85 in chips)
Seat 2: UHave_3_Outs ($59.20 in chips)
Seat 3: TCroz ($65.85 in chips)
Seat 4: saul1664 ($62.95 in chips)
Seat 5: kidd ($78.75 in chips)
Seat 6: sssikisss ($45.15 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind $0.25
kidd: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qs 6h 4h Ts]
sssikisss: folds
Snusy: folds
UHave_3_Outs: raises $1 to $1.50
TCroz: calls $1.50
saul1664: calls $1.25
kidd: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 3h Qh]
saul1664: bets $2.50
UHave_3_Outs: calls $2.50
TCroz: folds
*** TURN *** [Jh 3h Qh] [Qd]
saul1664: bets $3
UHave_3_Outs: calls $3
*** RIVER *** [Jh 3h Qh Qd] [Th]
saul1664: bets $8.50
UHave_3_Outs: raises $32.25 to $40.75
saul1664: calls $32.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UHave_3_Outs: shows [4c 2s Kh Ah] (HI: a Royal Flush)
saul1664: mucks hand
UHave_3_Outs collected $94.50 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $97.50 | Rake $3
Board [Jh 3h Qh Qd Th]
Seat 1: Snusy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: UHave_3_Outs showed [4c 2s Kh Ah] and won ($94.50) with HI: a Royal Flush
Seat 3: TCroz (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: saul1664 (small blind) mucked [Qs 6h 4h Ts]
Seat 5: kidd (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: sssikisss folded before Flop (didn't bet)

oz_da II
30-07-2008, 12:26 AM
Bin it pre-flop...

Strathclyde Eagle
30-07-2008, 08:37 AM
I thought a key part of Omaha was learning to bin strong hands? You've got a six-high flush with four hearts and a pair on the board, you're crushed by all kinds of hands.

DANCOO
30-07-2008, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I thought a key part of Omaha was learning to bin strong hands? You've got a six-high flush with four hearts and a pair on the board, you're crushed by all kinds of hands.

He has Q's full.

Agree with oz, I'm binning that (pre), even when I'm tilting.

Strathclyde Eagle
30-07-2008, 09:51 AM
Oops. :D

(Back to lurking.)

iamanuplander
30-07-2008, 08:28 PM
was an absolute nightmare to see three other players all in behind, and the amount of overcards i had to avoid! lol was quite funny

Game #6286115833: £1K Super series (ID7755535) £7.50+£0.75 - Hold'em NL (75/150) - 2008/07/30 - 20:37:22 (UK)
Table "7755535 - 4" Seat 10 is the button.
Seat 1: Garya2906 (1860 in chips)
Seat 2: Bria29047 (3867 in chips)
Seat 3: Dr_rex (8645 in chips)
Seat 5: Ant040689 (2165 in chips)
Seat 6: Realhigh (3637 in chips)
Seat 7: Gazza8001 (7400 in chips)
Seat 8: Sceptic (5152 in chips)
Seat 9: 180blue (1415 in chips)
Seat 10: Dutto7 (3113 in chips)
Garya2906: posts small blind 75
Bria29047: posts big blind 150
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [8d 8c]
Dr_rex: folds
Ant040689: raises to 2165 and is all-in
Realhigh: folds
Gazza8001: folds
Sceptic: folds
180blue: is all-in 1415
Dutto7: raises to 3113 and is all-in
Garya2906: is all-in 1785
Bria29047: folds
Returned uncalled bets 948 to Dutto7
----- FLOP ----- [9d 7d Th]
----- TURN ----- [9d 7d Th][Tc]
----- RIVER ----- [9d 7d Th Tc][7s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Dutto7: shows [Ah Kc] (Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, Ace high)
Garya2906: shows [Qh Ad] (Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, Ace high)
Ant040689: shows [8d 8c] (Two Pairs, Tens and Eights, Nine high)
180blue: shows [Jh Ks] (Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, King high)
Ant040689 collected 610 from Side pot #2
Ant040689 collected 1335 from Side pot #1
Ant040689 collected 5810 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 7755 Main pot 5810 Side pot #1 1335 | Side pot #2 610 | Rake 0
Board [9d 7d Th Tc 7s]
Seat 1: Garya2906 (small blind) showed [Qh Ad] and lost with Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, Ace high
Seat 2: Bria29047 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Dr_rex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Ant040689 showed [8d 8c] and won (7755) with Two Pairs, Tens and Eights, Nine high
Seat 6: Realhigh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Gazza8001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sceptic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: 180blue showed [Jh Ks] and lost with Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, King high
Seat 10: Dutto7 (button) showed [Ah Kc] and lost with Two Pairs, Tens and Sevens, Ace high

saul1664
30-07-2008, 10:31 PM
why push with 88 from that pos?

Chester
30-07-2008, 11:26 PM
That hand is appalling :D

Although the call by the last person is the worst

iamanuplander
31-07-2008, 05:19 AM
yeh it was quite bad and Saul it was impatience on my part really that is what i do in that position quite often in tournies with those blinds look to double up or get out on a 50/50

undoubtedly a poor play but my patience was wearing thin and that was the nicest hand i saw all tourney

SamTheOldGoat
31-07-2008, 06:45 AM
Terrible terrible shove!

Paul Romain
31-07-2008, 07:31 AM
I assume it wasnt a rebuy?

iamanuplander
31-07-2008, 09:16 AM
it wasn't a rebuy no and im getting heckled here! lol It was a bad move for sure and im glad your making sure i don't do this again. But some questions:

what would you think of this shove in mid to late position?

Is this move okay with the big blind at 300 and my stack at 2165 under the gun?

Paul Romain
31-07-2008, 08:53 PM
clawing my way back... 4th for $1500 in the Tilt £12k
and running well in a coupla others at the moment..

Paul Romain
31-07-2008, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
it wasn't a rebuy no and im getting heckled here! lol It was a bad move for sure and im glad your making sure i don't do this again. But some questions:

what would you think of this shove in mid to late position?

not quite so bad if no raisers early - I'm possibly shoving from late position


Is this move okay with the big blind at 300 and my stack at 2165 under the gun?

Definitely

SamTheOldGoat
01-08-2008, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
it wasn't a rebuy no and im getting heckled here! lol It was a bad move for sure and im glad your making sure i don't do this again. But some questions:

what would you think of this shove in mid to late position?

Is this move okay with the big blind at 300 and my stack at 2165 under the gun?

With the blinds at 150/300 w/ante or w/out, I don't mind that shove at all. With the blinds as they were there was NO need to be all in in the pot, ahh well, NH :p

saul1664
03-08-2008, 01:27 AM
Nice...

PokerStars Game #19311370716: Tournament #98287161, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/08/02 - 21:17:37 (ET)
Table '98287161 46' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 (5285 in chips)
Seat 2: jimbojam4 (9985 in chips)
Seat 3: BenLand (3940 in chips)
Seat 4: Dunkster (10760 in chips)
Seat 5: RevenX (7640 in chips)
Seat 6: pacbay (24740 in chips)
Seat 7: BOOKIES (14370 in chips)
Seat 8: CarlosSal (21475 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: hitthisaa (3325 in chips)
saul1664: posts the ante 25
jimbojam4: posts the ante 25
BenLand: posts the ante 25
Dunkster: posts the ante 25
RevenX: posts the ante 25
pacbay: posts the ante 25
BOOKIES: posts the ante 25
CarlosSal: posts the ante 25
hitthisaa: posts the ante 25
pacbay: posts small blind 150
BOOKIES: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Jd 9d]
CarlosSal: folds
hitthisaa: calls 300
saul1664: folds
jimbojam4: folds
BenLand: calls 300
Dunkster: calls 300
RevenX: folds
pacbay: calls 150
BOOKIES: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d Td Ad]
pacbay: checks
BOOKIES: bets 14045 and is all-in
hitthisaa: calls 3000 and is all-in
BenLand: calls 3615 and is all-in
Dunkster: calls 10435 and is all-in
pacbay: folds
Uncalled bet (3610) returned to BOOKIES
*** TURN *** [3d Td Ad] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [3d Td Ad Kc] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BOOKIES: shows [7d 2d] (a flush, Ace high)
Dunkster: shows [Ah Tc] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
BOOKIES collected 13640 from side pot-2
BenLand: shows [5d 6d] (a flush, Ace high - lower cards)
BenLand said, "sik"
BOOKIES collected 1845 from side pot-1
hitthisaa: shows [Ac Ts] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
BOOKIES collected 13725 from main pot
Layinpipe101 is connected
saul1664 said, "lol"
liija is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 29210 Main pot 13725. Side pot-1 1845. Side pot-2 13640. | Rake 0
Board [3d Td Ad Kc Kd]
Seat 1: saul1664 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jimbojam4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BenLand showed [5d 6d] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: Dunkster showed [Ah Tc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 5: RevenX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pacbay (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: BOOKIES (big blind) showed [7d 2d] and won (29210) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: CarlosSal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: hitthisaa showed [Ac Ts] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings

Billyd
03-08-2008, 01:35 AM
jokerstars

saul1664
03-08-2008, 03:35 AM
And this is how I left the tourney. How does he call, even with me a short stack?

PokerStars Game #19314124607: Tournament #98287161, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2008/08/02 - 23:31:52 (ET)
Table '98287161 19' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: cynssummer (197589 in chips)
Seat 2: pinzz11 (90809 in chips)
Seat 3: rom22 (42870 in chips)
Seat 4: gusterson (94053 in chips)
Seat 5: lawrenceterp (44959 in chips)
Seat 6: lucas1971 (64479 in chips)
Seat 7: M.B 1128 (75145 in chips)
Seat 8: MadM1985 (111044 in chips)
Seat 9: saul1664 (13550 in chips)
cynssummer: posts the ante 300
pinzz11: posts the ante 300
rom22: posts the ante 300
gusterson: posts the ante 300
lawrenceterp: posts the ante 300
lucas1971: posts the ante 300
M.B 1128: posts the ante 300
MadM1985: posts the ante 300
saul1664: posts the ante 300
lawrenceterp: posts small blind 1500
lucas1971: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Th Ac]
M.B 1128: folds
MadM1985: folds
saul1664: raises 10250 to 13250 and is all-in
cynssummer: folds
pinzz11: folds
rom22: folds
gusterson: folds
lawrenceterp: folds
lucas1971: calls 10250
*** FLOP *** [3c 4h 4d]
*** TURN *** [3c 4h 4d] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [3c 4h 4d 2c] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lucas1971: shows [Ks 3h] (two pair, Fours and Threes)
saul1664: shows [Th Ac] (a pair of Fours)
lucas1971 collected 30700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30700 | Rake 0
Board [3c 4h 4d 2c 7s]
Seat 1: cynssummer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pinzz11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rom22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gusterson (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lawrenceterp (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: lucas1971 (big blind) showed [Ks 3h] and won (30700) with two pair, Fours and Threes
Seat 7: M.B 1128 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MadM1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: saul1664 showed [Th Ac] and lost with a pair of Fours

Chester
03-08-2008, 04:04 AM
He was priced in and your range is huge. You have just over 4 bb's.

Paul Romain
03-08-2008, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
And this is how I left the tourney. How does he call, even with me a short stack?


Quite easily...thats how you win tournaments. He's only really in bad shape against the 2/1 odds he's getting against pairs (except 22). 6/4 against Ax type hands - 4/6 against Qhigh and downwards etc.

The only thing that might make me think twice about calling you there is if you had been blinding away and obviously playing (badly) a very tight short stack game waiting for as long as possibly for a premium hand to shove

Paul Romain
03-08-2008, 10:44 AM
Hilariously shambolic Pocket Fives promotion (which I ended up winning - brag lol!) on Bodog last night...

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-forums/7/PocketFives-adding-seats-for-Bodog-_2400_250k-Guaranteed_2100_-3119935?PageIndex=1

Basically it was a satellite for Bodogs $250K $250+ buyin tourney which P5s added 3 seats to. It was also advertised as a seat for every 25 players tourney

However, when it started the lobby was showing the 1 per 25 plus 3 payouts, but the tournament details payout schedule was showing only 3 seats plus cash payouts for 1 to 18th....so no-one knew whether to play it like an MTT or a satellite.

All the time it was playing we were trying to get either P5s or Bodog to clarify without success - until P5s finally confirmed 9 seats just after we got down to 9 players. This effectively meant no cash payouts so we were then playing for nothing - or so we thought!

People ended up shoving all over the place but I carried on playing per normal just in case and ended up winning. Checking my account I had indeed been credited with cash ($450) but the seat I should have got as well was nowhere to be seen!

This morning it has been confirmed Bodog have decided to payout BOTH methods. So.... 9 seats not 3 and everyone keeps the cash they won as well. I've been given my $250 seat plus I keep my $450 cash!

Bizarre....but methinks I won't be complaining!!

saul1664
03-08-2008, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Quite easily...thats how you win tournaments. He's only really in bad shape against the 2/1 odds he's getting against pairs (except 22). 6/4 against Ax type hands - 4/6 against Qhigh and downwards etc.

The only thing that might make me think twice about calling you there is if you had been blinding away and obviously playing (badly) a very tight short stack game waiting for as long as possibly for a premium hand to shove

Its 20% of his stack, can see the bigger stacks calling ATC. Every hand that was raised was either re-raised or put all in on the table, so had to play a reasonable hand, a raise was pointless and that was the best I had in a while, most were 23 27 49, what would have you done. I don't mind the shove with A10 there.

saul1664
03-08-2008, 04:27 PM
Also having trouble stealing blinds, especially when in position, someone will always either reraise significantly or put you automatically all in even if they have flat called. Is this because the late position blind steal is now too obvious and you are better to try this from early/mid position.