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DANCOO
03-09-2008, 05:01 PM
VEGAS IN 4 1/2 WEEKS BABY...WOO WOO, I'M GOING BROKE! :cool:

SamTheOldGoat
03-09-2008, 05:02 PM
yes! Who wiht, what are your plans out there Dan? Been meaning to go for months, but I get married in 1 1/2 weeks! YES! :D

se1eagle
03-09-2008, 05:16 PM
Hadn't played for ages so decided to play some HU last night on FT. I sat down, was joined by 'actionalan', a complete unknown and this is the first hand of the session. Only thing of note was he sat down with the unusual sum of $49.60, which made me wonder if he'd brought his entire bankroll to the table.

My question is, what range do you give to a ludicrous play like this, from a complete unknown?

Full Tilt Poker Game #7909945153: Table Trunk (heads up) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:50:54 ET - 2008/09/02
Seat 1: actionalan ($49.60)
Seat 2: Hero ($50)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.25
actionalan has 5 seconds left to act
actionalan posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Jc]
Hero raises to $1.50
actionalan has 15 seconds left to act
actionalan raises to $49.60, and is all in

DANCOO
03-09-2008, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by SamTheOldGoat
yes! Who wiht, what are your plans out there Dan? Been meaning to go for months, but I get married in 1 1/2 weeks! YES! :D

*Touch wood*, I marry a Californian in 3 1/2 weeks in San Jose, Vegas is part of our not yet properly planned honeymoon. :)

oz_da II
03-09-2008, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle

My question is, what range do you give to a ludicrous play like this, from a complete unknown?


ATC

Get it in!!!

Chester
03-09-2008, 05:34 PM
looks like he is flipping without telling you or tilting off a bit of cash. Think you are miles ahead, stick it in and weep when he sucks out

se1eagle
03-09-2008, 06:09 PM
Cheers guys. I did call and it held up nicely - a bit scary for my first hand as I'm underrolled for the level (I spent most of my bankroll on a trip to Rome with my girlfriend, but she doesn't complain about me playing poker anymore :p)

Full Tilt Poker Game #7909945153: Table Trunk (heads up) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:50:54 ET - 2008/09/02
Seat 1: actionalan ($49.60)
Seat 2: Hero ($50)
Hero posts the small blind of $0.25
actionalan has 5 seconds left to act
actionalan posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Jc]
Hero raises to $1.50
actionalan has 15 seconds left to act
actionalan raises to $49.60, and is all in
Hero calls $48.10
actionalan shows [2h Ad]
Hero shows [Ac Jc]
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8s 4d]
*** TURN *** [Jd 8s 4d] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 8s 4d 8c] [3s]
actionalan shows a pair of Eights
Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Eights
Hero wins the pot ($98.70) with two pair, Jacks and Eights
actionalan is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $99.20 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Jd 8s 4d 8c 3s]
Seat 1: actionalan (big blind) showed [2h Ad] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) showed [Ac Jc] and won ($98.70) with two pair, Jacks and Eights

Billyd
03-09-2008, 06:42 PM
thats a absolutely mental call, fold everytime!

se1eagle
03-09-2008, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
thats a absolutely mental call, fold everytime!

What range do you put him on?

David Amsalem
03-09-2008, 11:14 PM
Oh, I'm just having one of those nights that make you lose faith. Not gonna moan about it but can you tell me what you guys would have done with these hands.

1 ***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 408421254 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 03, 20:35:02 GMT 2008
Table Neon 122 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: pipex ( $24.21 )
Seat 2: MEEEEEEE ( $42.17 )
Seat 3: Namgreb ( $34.65 )
Seat 4: youngster74 ( $27.12 )
Seat 5: zizkovkid ( $45.68 )
Seat 6: DeathHand ( $100.84 )
pipex posts small blind [$0.25]
MEEEEEEE posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MEEEEEEE [ Jh, Ad ]
Namgreb folds
youngster74 calls [$0.50]
zizkovkid calls [$0.50]
DeathHand folds
pipex folds
MEEEEEEE raises to [$2.25]
youngster74 calls [$1.75]
zizkovkid folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 3h, 5h ]
MEEEEEEE bets [$2.62]
youngster74 calls [$2.62]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
MEEEEEEE bets [$10.49]
youngster74 calls [$10.49]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
MEEEEEEE goes all-in
MEEEEEEE bets [$26.81]
youngster74 calls [$11.76]
youngster74 goes all-in
Returning uncalled bet [$15.05] to MEEEEEEE
** Showdown **
MEEEEEEE shows [ Jh, Ad ] a pair of Aces
youngster74 shows [ 8h, 6h ] a Flush
** Hand Conclusion **
youngster74 wins $52.29 from main pot with a Flush
************ Game 408421254 ends ************

How bad is my play here? Especially the river...

2 ***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 408435658 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 03, 20:57:55 GMT 2008
Table Neon 122 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Vinzz ( $49 )
Seat 2: MEEEEEEE ( $28.15 )
Seat 3: onyxx ( $62.69 )
Seat 4: youngster74 ( $29.27 )
Seat 5: zizkovkid ( $33.13 )
Seat 6: DeathHand ( $121.93 )
Vinzz posts small blind [$0.25]
MEEEEEEE posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MEEEEEEE [ Ah, Ad ]
onyxx folds
youngster74 calls [$0.50]
zizkovkid calls [$0.50]
DeathHand calls [$0.50]
Vinzz folds
MEEEEEEE raises to [$3.25]
youngster74 calls [$2.75]
zizkovkid folds
DeathHand calls [$2.75]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 2h, 9h ]
MEEEEEEE bets [$10]
youngster74 folds
DeathHand folds
Returning uncalled bet [$10] to MEEEEEEE
** Hand Conclusion **
MEEEEEEE wins $10 from main pot
************ Game 408435658 ends ************

Did I lose value here?

3 ***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 408509744 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 03, 23:04:48 GMT 2008
Table Neon 122 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: 1VICHY ( $49 )
Seat 2: MEEEEEEE ( $32.54 )
Seat 3: onlyu ( $61.17 )
Seat 4: youngster74 ( $135.84 )
Seat 5: DuTcHmEn ( $68.47 )
Seat 6: mickygrey ( $26 )
onlyu posts small blind [$0.25]
youngster74 posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MEEEEEEE [ Ah, As ]
DuTcHmEn folds
mickygrey folds
1VICHY folds
MEEEEEEE raises to [$1.75]
onlyu folds
youngster74 calls [$1.25]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Js, 3c ]
youngster74 checks
MEEEEEEE bets [$2.50]
youngster74 calls [$2.50]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
youngster74 checks
MEEEEEEE bets [$7]
youngster74 raises to [$14]
MEEEEEEE goes all-in
MEEEEEEE raises to [$28.29]
youngster74 calls [$14.29]
** Showdown **
MEEEEEEE shows [ Ah, As ]
youngster74 shows [ Ks, Ac ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
** Hand Conclusion **
youngster74 wins $62.33 from main pot with three of a kind, Kings
************ Game 408509744 ends ************

Urgh, this guy was such a twat as well. Could I have avoided this beat?

oz_da II
03-09-2008, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
thats a absolutely mental call, fold everytime!


Hand 0: 34.607% { random }
Hand 1: 65.393% { AcJc }

How can't you like dem odds???

oz_da II
03-09-2008, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Oh, I'm just having one of those nights that make you lose faith. Not gonna moan about it but can you tell me what you guys would have done with these hands.

1

How bad is my play here? Especially the river...

2

Did I lose value here?

3

Urgh, this guy was such a twat as well. Could I have avoided this beat?

1) Yes, absymal. Never go broke with top pair. You're not beating much, bet more on the flop, slow down (give up) on the turn. Pre-flop is a bit iffy. OOP, raise more or don't raise at all.

2) not much wrong there

3) not much wrong there against a noted moron, could be problems versus a good player

David Amsalem
04-09-2008, 12:02 AM
Thanks for your feedback oz.

1) I agree I should have bet more on the flop. I'm intrigued as to why you say to give up on the turn as I was ahead... although, you're bang on, never go broke with top pair is wise advice. Urgh, disappointed with my play.

Thanks.

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Hand 0: 34.607% { random }
Hand 1: 65.393% { AcJc }

How can't you like dem odds???


how do you know hes pushing with a random hand?!!?

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:04 AM
anyone playing in any of the big tournies tonight?

oz_da II
04-09-2008, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Thanks for your feedback oz.

1) I agree I should have bet more on the flop. I'm intrigued as to why you say to give up on the turn as I was ahead... although, you're bang on, never go broke with top pair is wise advice. Urgh, disappointed with my play.

Thanks.

Sorry slight misread, I thought he hit the flush on the turn. Slowly down may still be ok though (our hand is not too strong).

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:12 AM
regardless you still need to slow down on the turn

Chester
04-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Anyone want to play in a 7k Euro tournament with these as your cards. Would confuse the hell out of me.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/BVIChester/48be8bfd59741.jpg

Chester
04-09-2008, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
how do you know hes pushing with a random hand?!!?

Much more likely to be a random hand that is of lesser value than our own than a premium one as it is played in the most retarded way possible

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:14 AM
wtf?!?

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Much more likely to be a random hand that is of lesser value than our own than a premium one as it is played in the most retarded way possible

true i still dont call tho

se1eagle
04-09-2008, 12:15 AM
I think it's so rare that you see AA-JJ in that spot. Occasionally might see AK or AQ, but the rest of the time AJs is fave or even money.

se1eagle
04-09-2008, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
true i still dont call tho

Why not? It's a pure range calculation. There is no other factor to take into consideration

Chester
04-09-2008, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
wtf?!?

:D

If you are not used to playing them you could give away so many tells by not having a clue what they are.



Our modern 52-card deck of playing cards is commonly known as the "French deck," having been altered and modified through centuries of play. This style of card is used worldwide with some slight variations. In the United States, we are familiar with the Anglo-American style of the deck. The face cards, from lowest rank to highest, are labeled "J" for Jack, "Q" for Queen, and "K" for King.

Here in France, we are getting used to their own traditional variation on that format. Face cards, from lowest to highest, are ranked "V" for Valet, "D" for Dame, and "R" for Roi. During our reporting, we will be using the Anglo-American lettering for face cards, to avoid any confusion.

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:18 AM
Id just wait for a better opportunity personally, the best you can really hope for for is a 60-40 at the end of the day

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Chester
:D

If you are not used to playing them you could give away so many tells by not having a clue what they are.






yeah id probably have to ask someone what cards i have

oz_da II
04-09-2008, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
how do you know hes pushing with a random hand?!!?

The only hands we don't want to see are AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK and AQ.
Against an unknown who buys in for a strange amount, this is random far more often than the goods. I've seen this scenario numerous times and it is almost always random.
The only time I've seen people shove their stacks with the goods (me for one) has been when I have someone on tilt and I know i can very often get an angry call.

oz_da II
04-09-2008, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
Id just wait for a better opportunity personally, the best you can really hope for for is a 60-40 at the end of the day

65-35 in that case.

No history call everytime.

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:26 AM
Right take this example, youve qualified for the WSOP main event.

First hand. Your in the BB, the small blind before looking at his cards says hes going to push all in what ever cards he has without looking.

It folds round to the small blind who still hasn't looked at his hand and he pushes. You look down at AJ. Your telling me you should call?
NO WAYYYYYYYYY

se1eagle
04-09-2008, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
Right take this example, youve qualified for the WSOP main event.

First hand. Your in the BB, the small blind before looking at his cards says hes going to push all in what ever cards he has without looking.

It folds round to the small blind who still hasn't looked at his hand and he pushes. You look down at AJ. Your telling me you should call?
NO WAYYYYYYYYY

We're not in the WSOP main event, we're in a cash game. Cash games are about maximising EV in as many situations as possible. Tourneys are about making the final table - and to do so players will correctly pass up +EV situations. In a tourney it's suicide, in cash it's (I think) the correct play.

Chester
04-09-2008, 12:29 AM
Cash VS Tourney, its not even comparable.

In a tourney this is a fold, in a cash game it is a call

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:29 AM
Apologise didn't realise it was cash which does make it completely different.
(But still according to your theory you should still call tho!)

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:30 AM
I play no cash what so ever so i wont even comment, but does still seem like a really odd call

Chester
04-09-2008, 12:33 AM
It is because it is such a terrible move by the opponent that it is such a straight forward call.

If you pulled this move in a tourney you should be shot

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:37 AM
fair enough im useless at cash so i wouldn't know what to do, my answers were all based from a tourney or sng viewpoint

se1eagle
04-09-2008, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Chester
It is because it is such a terrible move by the opponent that it is such a straight forward call.

If you pulled this move in a tourney you should be shot

Yup agree 100%. This is why I don't play tourneys - I find it hard enough to calculate the EV without worrying about ICM and all that other stuff!

Chester
04-09-2008, 12:38 AM
Then you would have been correct and instead suffered from Ozitis and couldnt read properly. (meant for Billyd)

Im quite tempted to get a set of those cards to use at my next home game to tilt everyone else

Billyd
04-09-2008, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Chester

Im quite tempted to get a set of those cards to use at my next home game to tilt everyone else

I would leave :hmph:

se1eagle
04-09-2008, 12:44 AM
This thread has some superb stuff in it

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=286574

Billyd
04-09-2008, 05:54 AM
Been heads up in my mtt for over an hour now, guaranteed at least 1k so far

Billyd
04-09-2008, 06:00 AM
came 2nd for 1k, ran 10 10 into K K

SamTheOldGoat
04-09-2008, 07:15 AM
Congrats Billy! :)

The AJ hand by a winning player is a pretty standard call IMO. Thoughts etc provided in this thread show that the play made was correct, nh :)

saul1664
04-09-2008, 10:42 AM
well done, about 30th in mine for $95. Meh.

Chester
04-09-2008, 01:28 PM
Congrats Billy :p

Billyd
04-09-2008, 01:34 PM
cheers everyone, ended up bit of a late one only just woke up :eek:

se1eagle
04-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Nice one Billy! Great score

SamTheOldGoat
04-09-2008, 02:35 PM
Chester, what do you post as on 2+2?

Chester
04-09-2008, 02:42 PM
More of a lurker and reader on 2+2. screenname there is HiC4rd

SamTheOldGoat
04-09-2008, 02:42 PM
Ahhh, saw someone with same avatar yous ee ;)

Chester
04-09-2008, 02:46 PM
Think i might have nicked it off there but can't remember

Billyd
04-09-2008, 03:37 PM
How typical is this. DONT PLAY ON POKERROOM. Absolutely fuming. About a month ago i won their $2rebuy, so i cashed out just over $1k on the 7th August.

Got my bank statement today and of course no money from them.
Just been talking to them and apparently my money has gone missing?!!?! and there looking into. WTF how can it go missing?!?!?,
funny thing is if i hadnt noticed you know they would never have mentioned it!

useless wank ers

Paul Romain
04-09-2008, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Are you going for the APAT Masters 4/5 Oct? I keep missing the satellites! Have diaried one tomorrow night

3 of 3 left for 1 seat..

just sattied into the $2.5M on ipoker sunday too (£1500 buyin) for $60

Paul Romain
04-09-2008, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
3 of 3 left for 1 seat..



not looking too hopeful though

Billyd
05-09-2008, 01:56 PM
how did it go paul? going to try and qualify for that live virgin tourney later

Paul Romain
05-09-2008, 08:29 PM
predictablyy 3rd - disappointing as I had led for a long time with only 1seat from 27 entries

Paul Romain
06-09-2008, 10:43 AM
anybody else get a ticket to the Poker Player Championships in Brighton next Saturday? (i've got the live tourney bug again at the moment!)

eaglesrus
07-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
anybody else get a ticket to the Poker Player Championships in Brighton next Saturday? (i've got the live tourney bug again at the moment!)

Playing in the tournament tonight, can see your name is already down there!

Was to late to get into the pokerplayer. have put my name down but not hopefull! will see what happens and c u on the table in a few mins!

Chester
07-09-2008, 07:05 PM
Anyone watching the 10k WCOOP on Stars. Some of the most ridiculous tables i have ever seen

Billyd
07-09-2008, 07:27 PM
yeah im on annettes table, got isabelle mercer on there aswell

Billyd
07-09-2008, 07:29 PM
pearl jammer FTW

Paul Romain
07-09-2008, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
yeah im on annettes table, got isabelle mercer on there aswell

I'm assuming you mean you're watching it!

oz_da II
08-09-2008, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
yeah im on annettes table, got isabelle mercer on there aswell

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=294139&page=2

A bit of controversy, meow!!!

Chester
08-09-2008, 02:41 AM
I was watching it at the time and it was the most ridiculous stall ever and imo deserved the catty comment.

Chester
08-09-2008, 03:32 AM
Oh my the above pales into insignificance after Choron bad beats Mastr. Wowzers

Chester
08-09-2008, 03:33 AM
This is the start of the chat and it gets a hell of a lot worse after that

PokerStars Game #20235575021: Tournament #200800005, $10000+$300 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2500/5000) - 2008/09/07 23:12:34 ET
Table '200800005 13' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Assassin8tor (56900 in chips)
Seat 2: whaassuuppp (110968 in chips)
Seat 3: gunning4you (237105 in chips)
Seat 4: delegator (196882 in chips)
Seat 5: Boosted J (83076 in chips)
Seat 6: rkruok (159465 in chips)
Seat 7: Choron (324225 in chips)
Seat 9: Pier85 (198589 in chips)
Assassin8tor: posts the ante 500
whaassuuppp: posts the ante 500
gunning4you: posts the ante 500
delegator: posts the ante 500
Boosted J: posts the ante 500
rkruok: posts the ante 500
Choron: posts the ante 500
Pier85: posts the ante 500
whaassuuppp: posts small blind 2500
gunning4you: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
delegator: folds
Boosted J: folds
rkruok: folds
Choron: raises 7225 to 12225
Pier85: folds
Assassin8tor: folds
whaassuuppp: folds
gunning4you: calls 7225
*** FLOP *** [2h 9s Td]
gunning4you: checks
Choron: bets 16575
gunning4you: raises 43525 to 60100
Choron: raises 251400 to 311500 and is all-in
gunning4you: calls 164280 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (87120) returned to Choron
*** TURN *** [2h 9s Td] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [2h 9s Td 8d] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gunning4you: shows [Th Ts] (three of a kind, Tens)
Choron: shows [Jd Qs] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Choron collected 479710 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 479710 | Rake 0
Board [2h 9s Td 8d 6s]
Seat 1: Assassin8tor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: whaassuuppp (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: gunning4you (big blind) showed [Th Ts] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 4: delegator folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Boosted J folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: rkruok folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Choron showed [Jd Qs] and won (479710) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 9: Pier85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Dealer: gunning4you has three of a kind, Tens
Dealer: Choron has a straight, Eight to Queen
Dealer: Game #20235575021: Choron wins pot (479710) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Dealer: gunning4you finished the tournament in 42nd place

...followed by

gunning4you [observer]: YOU FAT ****
gunning4you [observer]: WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU
WheresMyRoll [observer]: LOL
WheresMyRoll [observer]: god
WheresMyRoll [observer]: thats so brutal
PokerSavage1 [observer]: there goes taht computer screen
PokerSavage1 [observer]: and/orlaptop

Choron: im sorry skinny
gunning4you [observer]: PLAY ME HU
gunning4you [observer]: 100-200
Choron: go play antonious
gunning4you [observer]: I DO
gunning4you [observer]: I WANT YOU
Choron: who doesn't
Choron: lol
gunning4you [observer]: YOU SACK OF ****
gunning4you [observer]: NO ONE LIKES YOU
Choron: does that matter?
gunning4you [observer]: YOU HAVE TO BUY PEOPLE TO SPEND TIME EWITH YOU
deanrover6 [observer]: who is he?
EC10 [observer]: hes right
Choron: not really kiddo
gunning4you [observer]: GLENN CHORNEY
EC10 [observer]: thats why he ****ed yo ***** you fat mother****er
gunning4you [observer]: THE BIGGEST DOUCHE IN THE WORLD
Choron: lol im gonna send you $5 for getting your chat banned after i win
EC10 [observer]: chorny claims to be a player but mastr ****ed his wife

Chester
08-09-2008, 04:00 AM
Can watch it here

http://www.pokerstars.tv/pokerstars/channels/34509.html

Chester
08-09-2008, 04:04 AM
Nice

PokerStars Game #20236395153: Tournament #200800005, $10000+$300 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (3000/6000) - 2008/09/07 23:57:21 ET
Table '200800005 35' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rivermanl (133345 in chips)
Seat 2: Money800 (375941 in chips)
Seat 4: kwil20 (233173 in chips)
Seat 5: dorinvandy (410364 in chips)
Seat 6: #1PEN (250080 in chips)
Seat 7: ArbahChamesh (115120 in chips)
Seat 8: steamraise (933098 in chips)
rivermanl: posts the ante 600
Money800: posts the ante 600
kwil20: posts the ante 600
dorinvandy: posts the ante 600
#1PEN: posts the ante 600
ArbahChamesh: posts the ante 600
steamraise: posts the ante 600
rivermanl: posts small blind 3000
Money800: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
kwil20: folds
dorinvandy: raises 9000 to 15000
#1PEN: folds
ArbahChamesh: folds
steamraise: raises 27400 to 42400
rivermanl: folds
Money800: folds
dorinvandy: raises 367364 to 409764 and is all-in
steamraise: calls 367364
*** FLOP *** [8s Ts Td]
*** TURN *** [8s Ts Td] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [8s Ts Td Qh] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dorinvandy: shows [Tc 7c] (three of a kind, Tens)
steamraise: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Tens)
dorinvandy collected 832728 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 832728 | Rake 0
Board [8s Ts Td Qh 5h]
Seat 1: rivermanl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Money800 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: kwil20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dorinvandy showed [Tc 7c] and won (832728) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 6: #1PEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ArbahChamesh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: steamraise (button) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Tens

Chester
08-09-2008, 04:21 AM
to chip leader in about 30 minutes

Paul Romain
08-09-2008, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Playing in the tournament tonight, can see your name is already down there!

Was to late to get into the pokerplayer. have put my name down but not hopefull! will see what happens and c u on the table in a few mins!

Didn't see you go out - must have been busy on one of the other tourneys.

I messed up too - played one hand really badly trying to push someone off with fresh air and he refused to go away!! Went from leading to nowhere and never got back in it. Will have a couple more goes maybe.

Bumbled along in the $2.5M for about three hours without hardly getting a hand, eventually tried to burn off a load of limpers with 99 and found someone with KK behind so that was that.

Going to do some sats today for WSOPE and Irish Open I think - never know your luck!

Chester
08-09-2008, 01:09 PM
:D Dorinvandy won

Originally posted by Chester
Nice

PokerStars Game #20236395153: Tournament #200800005, $10000+$300 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (3000/6000) - 2008/09/07 23:57:21 ET
Table '200800005 35' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rivermanl (133345 in chips)
Seat 2: Money800 (375941 in chips)
Seat 4: kwil20 (233173 in chips)
Seat 5: dorinvandy (410364 in chips)
Seat 6: #1PEN (250080 in chips)
Seat 7: ArbahChamesh (115120 in chips)
Seat 8: steamraise (933098 in chips)
rivermanl: posts the ante 600
Money800: posts the ante 600
kwil20: posts the ante 600
dorinvandy: posts the ante 600
#1PEN: posts the ante 600
ArbahChamesh: posts the ante 600
steamraise: posts the ante 600
rivermanl: posts small blind 3000
Money800: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
kwil20: folds
dorinvandy: raises 9000 to 15000
#1PEN: folds
ArbahChamesh: folds
steamraise: raises 27400 to 42400
rivermanl: folds
Money800: folds
dorinvandy: raises 367364 to 409764 and is all-in
steamraise: calls 367364
*** FLOP *** [8s Ts Td]
*** TURN *** [8s Ts Td] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [8s Ts Td Qh] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dorinvandy: shows [Tc 7c] (three of a kind, Tens)
steamraise: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Tens)
dorinvandy collected 832728 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 832728 | Rake 0
Board [8s Ts Td Qh 5h]
Seat 1: rivermanl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Money800 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: kwil20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dorinvandy showed [Tc 7c] and won (832728) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 6: #1PEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ArbahChamesh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: steamraise (button) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Tens

Billyd
09-09-2008, 02:44 AM
Mercer deserved that tbh, obvious slow roll.

Billyd
09-09-2008, 01:52 PM
chester, do you play any poker? just realised ive seen you post on here alot and you watch things but never seen you post a result or hh.

Chester
10-09-2008, 12:57 AM
Not really that much online, it is a ball ache for me to get money on and offline living here which is rubbish. Haven't played for a while online and only started the game about a year ago so have spent a lot of time learning strat and sweating good players to try and pick up things.

I play in a couple of home games here twice a week which i am now making a nice return on. Would love to play more on line but am happy at the moment learning the game

oz_da II
10-09-2008, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Would love to play more on line but am happy at the moment learning the game

Don't learn off this bloke... :moo:

$1.00/$2.00 Limit Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 08, 07:11:10 ET 2008
Table Baby Orange Fizz (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 4: jjbl ( $200.08 USD )
Seat 5: japega5 ( $38.34 USD )
Seat 6: iadde ( $216.41 USD )
Seat 7: chef139 ( $52.88 USD )
Seat 9: Hero ( $19.00 USD )
japega5 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
iadde posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah Qc ]
chef139 raises [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
jjbl calls [$2.00 USD]
japega5 calls [$1.50 USD]
iadde calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Jh, Ad ]
japega5 checks
iadde checks
chef139 checks
Hero bets [$1.00 USD]
jjbl calls [$1.00 USD]
japega5 calls [$1.00 USD]
iadde folds
chef139 calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
japega5 checks
chef139 bets [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
jjbl calls [$2.00 USD]
japega5 calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
japega5 checks
chef139 checks
Hero checks
jjbl bets [$2.00 USD]
japega5 folds
chef139 calls [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
jjbl shows [Qh, Kc ]
chef139 shows [6c, 6h ]
Hero shows [Ah, Qc ]
jjbl wins $8.86 USD from main pot
chef139 wins $8.87 USD from main pot
Hero wins $8.87 USD from main pot

Chester
10-09-2008, 01:33 AM
:D

You should have shoved, you had a full ferry

oz_da II
10-09-2008, 01:51 AM
Not me, a friend of mine sent me that one.

Chester
10-09-2008, 01:55 AM
Seems like the table from hell with all of the limp callers as well. Especially at a 1-2 table

Billyd
10-09-2008, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Not really that much online, it is a ball ache for me to get money on and offline living here which is rubbish. Haven't played for a while online and only started the game about a year ago so have spent a lot of time learning strat and sweating good players to try and pick up things.

I play in a couple of home games here twice a week which i am now making a nice return on. Would love to play more on line but am happy at the moment learning the game

Best advice i can give is watch the Free videos on Pokerxfactor and Stoxpoker. I assume you dont want to sign up!
My mate is a member and the videos are superb, only watched a few but they imporved my game for sure.

I see your a member of 2+2, thats always good for advice tho remember its not always good advice!

Also read the Harrington on Holdem Books.

Chester
10-09-2008, 02:10 PM
Oh i do that already, read HSMTT and SSMTT and STT on 2 + 2. Have read most of the poker books also, thats what work is for ;)

Billyd
11-09-2008, 12:06 AM
check this out for a sick hand :(


PokerStars Game #20307285999: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/09/10 20:03:10 ET
Table 'Gansu III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: aintitkewl ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 2: OMGBentley ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 3: knox828 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Mini-Melle ($22.75 in chips)
Seat 5: phrogman123 ($23.80 in chips)
Seat 6: EnjoyLife73 ($22.45 in chips)
Seat 7: mets2602 ($23.35 in chips)
Seat 8: VicNadal ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 9: billyd77 ($26.70 in chips)
knox828: posts small blind $0.10
Mini-Melle: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [2c 2s]
phrogman123: folds
EnjoyLife73: folds
mets2602: folds
VicNadal: folds
billyd77: calls $0.25
aintitkewl: folds
OMGBentley: raises $1 to $1.25
knox828: folds
Mini-Melle: calls $1
billyd77: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6h 7h 2d]
Mini-Melle: checks
billyd77: bets $3
OMGBentley: raises $7.25 to $10.25
Mini-Melle: folds
billyd77: raises $15.20 to $25.45 and is all-in
OMGBentley: calls $15.20
*** TURN *** [6h 7h 2d] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 7h 2d 7c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyd77: shows [2c 2s] (a full house, Deuces full of Sevens)
OMGBentley: shows [Qs 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Queens)
OMGBentley collected $52.05 from pot
billyd77 said, "omg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.75 | Rake $2.70
Board [6h 7h 2d 7c Qd]
Seat 1: aintitkewl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: OMGBentley (button) showed [Qs 7s] and won ($52.05) with a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Seat 3: knox828 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Mini-Melle (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: phrogman123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: EnjoyLife73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mets2602 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: VicNadal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: billyd77 showed [2c 2s] and lost with a full house, Deuces full of Sevens

oz_da II
11-09-2008, 12:30 AM
I would have raised first to act.

Billyd
11-09-2008, 01:13 AM
with 22 in a 9 handed game? surely you want to see a cheap flop and try and hit a disguised monster like i did.
Either way the main thing i wanted was to play my 22 against the player who out drew me, he was playing awful and paying people off all over the place.

Chester
11-09-2008, 01:43 AM
I think the way that Billy played his was fine. After thinking about this hand from yesterday the way hero played it was horrid

Originally posted by oz_da II
Don't learn off this bloke... :moo:

$1.00/$2.00 Limit Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 08, 07:11:10 ET 2008
Table Baby Orange Fizz (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 4: jjbl ( $200.08 USD )
Seat 5: japega5 ( $38.34 USD )
Seat 6: iadde ( $216.41 USD )
Seat 7: chef139 ( $52.88 USD )
Seat 9: Hero ( $19.00 USD )
japega5 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
iadde posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah Qc ]
chef139 raises [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
jjbl calls [$2.00 USD]
japega5 calls [$1.50 USD]
iadde calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Jh, Ad ]
japega5 checks
iadde checks
chef139 checks
Hero bets [$1.00 USD]
jjbl calls [$1.00 USD]
japega5 calls [$1.00 USD]
iadde folds
chef139 calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
japega5 checks
chef139 bets [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
jjbl calls [$2.00 USD]
japega5 calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
japega5 checks
chef139 checks
Hero checks
jjbl bets [$2.00 USD]
japega5 folds
chef139 calls [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
jjbl shows [Qh, Kc ]
chef139 shows [6c, 6h ]
Hero shows [Ah, Qc ]
jjbl wins $8.86 USD from main pot
chef139 wins $8.87 USD from main pot
Hero wins $8.87 USD from main pot

oz_da II
11-09-2008, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
with 22 in a 9 handed game? surely you want to see a cheap flop and try and hit a disguised monster like i did.
Either way the main thing i wanted was to play my 22 against the player who out drew me, he was playing awful and paying people off all over the place.

I can't remember the last time I limped in first to act (I don't play nine handed).
My stats show all my pocket pairs are profitable.
Sounds like you would have got action anyway you played.

oz_da II
11-09-2008, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Chester
After thinking about this hand from yesterday the way hero played it was horrid

I'll let him now, yes he should have raised the turn.

Chester
11-09-2008, 02:29 AM
Do you not think that all the bets from even pre flop are horrid by all parties?

oz_da II
11-09-2008, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Chester
Do you not think that all the bets from even pre flop are horrid by all parties?

Yeah agreed, if I'm the initial raiser I give up after the flop c-bet (in fact I wouldn't even bother, someone has an ace or even a jack and isn't going away).
My mate should have probably raised the flop.
**** knows what the KQ guy is doing.
and as for the bloke who folded with the nuts on the board...
:moo:

Chester
11-09-2008, 03:57 AM
was just :clown: from them all imo

oz_da II
11-09-2008, 04:10 AM
It might actually not be too bad calling the turn, he's kept everyone interested in the pot and they were all drawing dead with just a one-outer to a split pot. Raising could have scared everyone off. Maybe those morons call the raise anyway. :clown:

se1eagle
11-09-2008, 09:12 AM
Funny, I was just about to post extolling the virtues of the Deuces Cracked training site and Billy's deuces were cracked only a few posts earlier! It really is very good though - perhaps even better than Cardrunners - I think I'm already seeing the benefits.

Billyd
11-09-2008, 11:03 PM
that hand is wierd played badly by all really. Quite deep in the 10r if anyone is about

se1eagle
12-09-2008, 02:00 AM
Anyone play 50NL on iPoker? Want 500,000 hand histories? Last post on the page I think

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45/software/new-service-handhistory-dealer-1-week-free-trial-252432/page6.html

Finbar
12-09-2008, 06:48 AM
Maybe I'm being slow but how would someone use 500k hand histories to their benefit?

oz_da II
12-09-2008, 06:57 AM
If you're using a tracking program whilst playing you would have useful stats on your opponents at your table.

Finbar
12-09-2008, 08:45 AM
Ah yes that makes sense, cheers

Paul Romain
13-09-2008, 10:27 PM
Just got back from the Poker Player Championship at the Grosvenor Brighton. Finished 7th, going out pretty unluckily in my final hand. Not a big win - £220 - but my first live cash after going close on my first two attempts. And it should get me an appearance in next months issue of Poker Player - so i just hope the photographer got my best side and the lights weren't shining on the bald patch :D

Bit knackered so I'll do a brief report, on what was an interesting day out for several reasons, tomorrow...

Billyd
13-09-2008, 11:40 PM
well done. on another note ive never seen such bad standard at the grosvenor in brighton!

oz_da II
13-09-2008, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Just got back from the Poker Player Championship at the Grosvenor Brighton. Finished 7th, going out pretty unluckily in my final hand. Not a big win - £220 - but my first live cash after going close on my first two attempts. And it should get me an appearance in next months issue of Poker Player - so i just hope the photographer got my best side and the lights weren't shining on the bald patch :D

Bit knackered so I'll do a brief report, on what was an interesting day out for several reasons, tomorrow...

Well done, PR. :p

Was that you on my table in the Iron Man Freeroll today?

Out in 29th. AKs < AKh, all in pre-flop, hits his flush on the river. :(

Paul Romain
14-09-2008, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Well done, PR. :p

Was that you on my table in the Iron Man Freeroll today?

Out in 29th. AKs < AKh, all in pre-flop, hits his flush on the river. :(

Probably - I qualified for one, silver or gold can't remember. I would have been blinding down though. Was in Brighton till about 9.30

oz_da II
14-09-2008, 10:00 AM
Thought you were a little inactive. ;) (I was only there for a few orbits until getting moved on)

Billyd
14-09-2008, 10:58 PM
ran kings in to aces 3 times today from about 6 games, mental

David Amsalem
14-09-2008, 10:59 PM
Probably get some stick for this one but I want to know what you would do on the river.

Bare in mind, I'm the BB and he has checked the flop and turn hence my $1 bet on the turn.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 413755491 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 14, 22:50:42 GMT 2008
Table Gemini 61 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 3
Seat 1: RedSkyNow ( $52.80 )
Seat 3: brutytabest ( $84.90 )
Seat 6: AMSALEM ( $122.18 )
brutytabest posts small blind [$0.25]
AMSALEM posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AMSALEM [ 5c, 4d ]
RedSkyNow folds
brutytabest calls [$0.25]
AMSALEM checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Qs, 8h ]
brutytabest checks
AMSALEM checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
brutytabest checks
AMSALEM bets [$1]
brutytabest calls [$1]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
brutytabest checks
AMSALEM bets [$1]
brutytabest raises to [$3]
AMSALEM ???

Well?

Billyd
14-09-2008, 11:06 PM
Difficult one indeed, just calling wouldnt be bad here at all. Youve gotta wonder why he flat called the turn and then raised the river. Just as if he had 9 10.

Dont think re raising would be a bad move either tho and just pray to god hes got 2 pair or trips and not 9 10!

To sum up. Assuming hes playing tight would be temped to just call. Against an aggressive player would re raise.

saul1664
14-09-2008, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Probably get some stick for this one but I want to know what you would do on the river.

Bare in mind, I'm the BB and he has checked the flop and turn hence my $1 bet on the turn.



Well?

Call is the right move. Limped in so you need to put him on ATC, so he could have 910 or maybe a hand you have well beat by 2 pair, you could reraise, but if he reraises again what decision can you make? Based on no information about the player, I would flat call.

saul1664
14-09-2008, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Probably - I qualified for one, silver or gold can't remember. I would have been blinding down though. Was in Brighton till about 9.30

You in any of the WCOOPs?

se1eagle
15-09-2008, 02:55 AM
I actually like a reraise - I think at 50NL you'll get called by a lot worse.

I don't think we can deduce he has 9T yet - we're 3-handed, the pot is tiny and I think a lot of players are raising your small river bet there for value with two pair/set given how the hand played out. I'd jack it up to something like $12 and see what he does.

If he then shoves, it really depends on any stats/reads you have on the guy. Against some players I'd fold to the shove, against some I'd snapcall. It doesn't help that we're deep stacked, but I think we're missing out on value by calling

oz_da II
15-09-2008, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I actually like a reraise - I think at 50NL you'll get called by a lot worse.


Good answer. :p

iamanuplander
15-09-2008, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I actually like a reraise - I think at 50NL you'll get called by a lot worse.

I don't think we can deduce he has 9T yet - we're 3-handed, the pot is tiny and I think a lot of players are raising your small river bet there for value with two pair/set given how the hand played out. I'd jack it up to something like $12 and see what he does.

If he then shoves, it really depends on any stats/reads you have on the guy. Against some players I'd fold to the shove, against some I'd snapcall. It doesn't help that we're deep stacked, but I think we're missing out on value by calling

I ditto this, $12 would be the bet on the river for me, i would call a min re raise but not an all in one (well i say that but i would probably call it).

David Amsalem
15-09-2008, 06:08 PM
Thanks for all your feedback.

FWIW, this is how the hand panned out.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 413755491 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 14, 22:50:42 GMT 2008
Table Gemini 61 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 3
Seat 1: RedSkyNow ( $52.80 )
Seat 3: brutytabest ( $84.90 )
Seat 6: AMSALEM ( $122.18 )
brutytabest posts small blind [$0.25]
AMSALEM posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AMSALEM [ 5c, 4d ]
RedSkyNow folds
brutytabest calls [$0.25]
AMSALEM checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Qs, 8h ]
brutytabest checks
AMSALEM checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
brutytabest checks
AMSALEM bets [$1]
brutytabest calls [$1]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
brutytabest checks
AMSALEM bets [$1]
brutytabest raises to [$3]
AMSALEM calls [$2]
** Showdown **
brutytabest shows [ As, 4c ] a pair of Aces
AMSALEM shows [ 5c, 4d ] a straight, Eight to Four
** Hand Conclusion **
AMSALEM wins $8.55 from main pot with a straight, Eight to Four
************ Game 413755491 ends ************

Make of that what you will.

I don't think I considered my opponent enough. Against that particular guy, I should have raised however if I was playing that hand against a better player, I would have been happy with just a call.

Next time I find myself in that position, I'll share the history.

Thanks guys.

David Amsalem
15-09-2008, 06:11 PM
OK, this hand was a bit earlier on.

I suspect many of you won't like the call on the flop, but I didn't feel comfortable re-raising with a middle pocket pair if I'm honest.

How do we play this?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 413746115 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 14, 22:30:30 GMT 2008
Table Gemini 61 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: RedSkyNow ( $50 )
Seat 2: SXRANGER ( $40.47 )
Seat 3: brutytabest ( $71.12 )
Seat 4: shepileptic ( $54.44 )
Seat 5: BolleHond ( $67.90 )
Seat 6: AMSALEM ( $43.18 )
AMSALEM posts small blind [$0.25]
RedSkyNow posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AMSALEM [ 8d, 8h ]
SXRANGER folds
brutytabest folds
BolleHond raises to [$1.75]
AMSALEM calls [$1.50]
RedSkyNow folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 9c, 8c ]


Edit - spelling...

se1eagle
15-09-2008, 06:56 PM
I don't mind your preflop call, however I would nearly always reraise this to $5.75 vs a button opener who's raising a wide range from the button. I wouldn't like the preflop call if you had a low pocket pair (would reraise or fold in this case), but with a mid pocket pair I think a call is fine.

However we flop the second nuts so it's all looking good. I lead the flop for $2.25 or so and hope to get reraised and get it all in. It's a drawy board so we want to get as much money in as soon as possible.

Paul Romain
15-09-2008, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
You in any of the WCOOPs?

Nope - pretty much given up on Stars these days - its never been good to me

David Amsalem
15-09-2008, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I don't mind your preflop call, however I would nearly always reraise this to $5.75 vs a button opener who's raising a wide range from the button. I wouldn't like the preflop call if you had a low pocket pair (would reraise or fold in this case), but with a mid pocket pair I think a call is fine.

However we flop the second nuts so it's all looking good. I lead the flop for $2.25 or so and hope to get reraised and get it all in. It's a drawy board so we want to get as much money in as soon as possible.

Again, appreciate the advice. Actually played it pretty much how you said which I'm quite pleased about.

It played out like this...

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 413746115 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 14, 22:30:30 GMT 2008
Table Gemini 61 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: RedSkyNow ( $50 )
Seat 2: SXRANGER ( $40.47 )
Seat 3: brutytabest ( $71.12 )
Seat 4: shepileptic ( $54.44 )
Seat 5: BolleHond ( $67.90 )
Seat 6: AMSALEM ( $43.18 )
AMSALEM posts small blind [$0.25]
RedSkyNow posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AMSALEM [ 8d, 8h ]
SXRANGER folds
brutytabest folds
BolleHond raises to [$1.75]
AMSALEM calls [$1.50]
RedSkyNow folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 9c, 8c ]
AMSALEM bets [$2]
BolleHond raises to [$7.50]
AMSALEM goes all-in
AMSALEM raises to [$41.43]
BolleHond calls [$33.93]
** Showdown **
BolleHond shows [ Ac, 6c ]
AMSALEM shows [ 8d, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
** Hand Conclusion **
AMSALEM wins $83.86 from main pot with three of a kind, Eights
************ Game 413746115 ends ************

Anyway, I'll stop boring everybody :D

se1eagle
15-09-2008, 10:41 PM
I think you played it great. And it's not boring at all, post more not less! :)

Billyd
15-09-2008, 11:56 PM
your opinions

PokerStars Game #20437959660: Tournament #107931479, $5.00+$0.50 Re-buy Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/09/15 19:52:30 ET
Table '107931479 219' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: SrgLalonde (10255 in chips)
Seat 2: vienna0001 (22350 in chips)
Seat 3: jetsjets1028 (9290 in chips)
Seat 4: sandrasm05 (4880 in chips)
Seat 5: Fraser57 (4325 in chips)
Seat 6: pearljammr (20175 in chips)
Seat 7: billyd77 (24490 in chips)
Seat 8: RADANGER (14685 in chips)
Seat 9: Dahbiene (5715 in chips)
SrgLalonde: posts the ante 25
vienna0001: posts the ante 25
jetsjets1028: posts the ante 25
sandrasm05: posts the ante 25
Fraser57: posts the ante 25
pearljammr: posts the ante 25
billyd77: posts the ante 25
RADANGER: posts the ante 25
Dahbiene: posts the ante 25
SrgLalonde: posts small blind 125
vienna0001: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [As Kc]
jetsjets1028: folds
sandrasm05: folds
Fraser57: folds
pearljammr: folds
billyd77: raises 450 to 700
RADANGER: calls 700
Dahbiene: folds
SrgLalonde: folds
vienna0001: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6h Jc]
billyd77: bets 1500
RADANGER: calls 1500
*** TURN *** [Ks 6h Jc] [3d]
billyd77: bets 3750
RADANGER: calls 3750
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6h Jc 3d] [Ts]
billyd77: bets 5250
RADANGER: raises 3460 to 8710 and is all-in
billyd77: calls 3460
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RADANGER: shows [Th Td] (three of a kind, Tens)
billyd77: shows [As Kc] (a pair of Kings)
RADANGER collected 29920 from pot
billyd77 said, "lol"
jetsjets1028 said, "wow"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 29920 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 6h Jc 3d Ts]
Seat 1: SrgLalonde (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: vienna0001 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: jetsjets1028 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sandrasm05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Fraser57 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pearljammr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: billyd77 showed [As Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: RADANGER showed [Th Td] and won (29920) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 9: Dahbiene (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 12:09 AM
Wow he played that really horribly! I think on the river your hand's not much more than a bluffcatcher, but for 3460 in a 26460 pot I think you have to call - but then I know very little about tourneys.

oz_da II
16-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
your opinions


Opinion 1) Your opponent is an idiot

Opinion 2) Maybe slow down at the river, you're not beating much that calls you, it appears like he's slow-playing something or maybe he puts you on pocket 9's :clown:

Billyd
16-09-2008, 12:12 AM
never in a millions years am i folded the river! even if i check and he pushes im still calling the river. managed to get some chips back off him now

Billyd
16-09-2008, 12:27 AM
haha check this out same tourney


PokerStars Game #20438647128: Tournament #107931479, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/09/15 20:23:23 ET
Table '107931479 219' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: SrgLalonde (11355 in chips)
Seat 2: vienna0001 (22025 in chips)
Seat 3: jetsjets1028 (13093 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerscrat84 (23927 in chips)
Seat 5: Apowers1967 (12820 in chips)
Seat 6: pearljammr (32950 in chips)
Seat 7: billyd77 (18890 in chips)
Seat 8: RADANGER (16287 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Dahbiene (3015 in chips)
SrgLalonde: posts the ante 50
vienna0001: posts the ante 50
jetsjets1028: posts the ante 50
pokerscrat84: posts the ante 50
Apowers1967: posts the ante 50
pearljammr: posts the ante 50
billyd77: posts the ante 50
RADANGER: posts the ante 50
Dahbiene: posts the ante 50
pearljammr: posts small blind 200
billyd77: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Kc Qh]
RADANGER: folds
Dahbiene: folds
SrgLalonde: folds
vienna0001: folds
jetsjets1028: folds
pokerscrat84: folds
Apowers1967: folds
pearljammr: calls 200
billyd77: raises 900 to 1300
pearljammr: calls 900
*** FLOP *** [9c Tc 3s]
pearljammr: checks
billyd77: checks
*** TURN *** [9c Tc 3s] [7s]
pearljammr: bets 2000
billyd77: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [9c Tc 3s 7s] [5h]
pearljammr: checks
billyd77: bets 5200
pearljammr: calls 5200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyd77: shows [Kc Qh] (high card King)
pearljammr: shows [8d 3h] (a pair of Threes)
pearljammr collected 17450 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17450 | Rake 0
Board [9c Tc 3s 7s 5h]
Seat 1: SrgLalonde folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: vienna0001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jetsjets1028 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pokerscrat84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Apowers1967 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pearljammr (small blind) showed [8d 3h] and won (17450) with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: billyd77 (big blind) showed [Kc Qh] and lost with high card King
Seat 8: RADANGER folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Dahbiene folded before Flop (didn't bet)

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 12:35 AM
How are we playing this turn?

SB is 48/12/1.61
CO is 44/2/4

SB: $38.89
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $64.30
CO: $59.30
BTN: $47.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.00) 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets $6.00

saul1664
16-09-2008, 12:37 AM
This is the same tourney I crashed out in about 40th last time, against the guy who called every hand, pushed 450K pre flop with 45 vs AA (and lost) and who outlasted me and probably claimed the 8K prize. People will call with anything to the river, you need so much luck to progress well in this tournament and usually won by a complete luckbox, however rewards are great for $5 entry if you can make it to the last 200 you have a good chance.

Billyd
16-09-2008, 12:39 AM
response to s1eagle:


re raising. easy.

Prob about a 3/4 - pot size bet

They dont have a full house (if they do they have played their pocket pair absolutely awfully.

Billyd
16-09-2008, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
This is the same tourney I crashed out in about 40th last time, against the guy who called every hand, pushed 450K pre flop with 45 vs AA (and lost) and who outlasted me and probably claimed the 8K prize. People will call with anything to the river, you need so much luck to progress well in this tournament and usually won by a complete luckbox, however rewards are great for $5 entry if you can make it to the last 200 you have a good chance.

ive only just stared playing the stars rebuys after alot of rebuy success on other sites. im amazed how bad the standard is! even the 10r! the reason i avoided them was because i heard alot of the pros play them and they take ages.

good top prizes indeed but with so many runners you have to run so good! and im pretty mental in the rebuy stage so never in for $5!

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 12:44 AM
I'm not worried about KK JJ or 99 but J9/K9 is a possiblity.

I did reraise. Do we call?

SB: $38.89
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $64.30
CO: $59.30
BTN: $47.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.00) 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets $6.00, Hero raises to $24, CO folds, SB raises to $36.89

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 12:47 AM
nh billy, sweet river :D

Billyd
16-09-2008, 12:49 AM
k9 or j9 should definitely be betting that flop so i cant see that.


yeah you call your priced in anyway now. hes played it like he has ace of hearts and hes a donkey that cant get away from it.

He may also have flopped the flush and is slow playing it, if he has its just unlucky not alot you can do.

saul1664
16-09-2008, 01:02 AM
sometimes two pair will slow play a flop, so there's that worry, but you can't fold on the river after raising like that

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 01:04 AM
I called and he showed the nut flush :( Then the CO says that he folded Q7 of hearts! Argh. So I was overflushed twice. I hate the big blind

Billyd
16-09-2008, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
sometimes two pair will slow play a flop, so there's that worry, but you can't fold on the river after raising like that


i would really hope no one slow plays two plair on that flop! :eek:

saul1664
16-09-2008, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
ive only just stared playing the stars rebuys after alot of rebuy success on other sites. im amazed how bad the standard is! even the 10r! the reason i avoided them was because i heard alot of the pros play them and they take ages.

good top prizes indeed but with so many runners you have to run so good! and im pretty mental in the rebuy stage so never in for $5!

I never rebuy, I get the extra 1500 for $5 at the start and sometimes add on the extra 2000 chips for $5, though the mentalists who have 20K in chips, and then pay for the add on always amuses me. Fold virtually every hand until the rebuy, unless I get a premium hand AA KK QQ, and then go all in and you are almost certainly guaranteed a caller, get past the rebuy period with 7-8K, which is almost easily doubled as people can't get past the concept that the rebuy period has gone, or you end up against the guy who has rebought about 200 times and now is on megatilt, and then you just need some luck from there.

saul1664
16-09-2008, 01:06 AM
Looking for 7 - 11 hours to take down the $5 rebuy.

saul1664
16-09-2008, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
i would really hope no one slow plays two plair on that flop! :eek:

This IS pokerstars.

Billyd
16-09-2008, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I called and he showed the nut flush :( Then the CO says that he folded Q7 of hearts! Argh. So I was overflushed twice. I hate the big blind

Yeah i said it might be the case, nothing you can do what so ever. Very unlucky

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
This IS pokerstars.

Actually I'm playing on IPoker (the NoIQ Poker skin) at the moment. In general it seems to be a fishtank, the games are soft! The software sucks for multitabling but I recommend it - apparently now the 3rd biggest network

saul1664
16-09-2008, 01:09 AM
And annoyingly just semi-bubbled (just got into the money), when AQ got done by A3, and the spazmo has the nerve to say TY in the chat box.

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
Yeah i said it might be the case, nothing you can do what so ever. Very unlucky

Cheers, lost a couple of big hands like this at the end of my session and was starting to doubt my judgement but good to be reassured

se1eagle
16-09-2008, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
And annoyingly just semi-bubbled (just got into the money), when AQ got done by A3, and the spazmo has the nerve to say TY in the chat box.

Some people have no class. That tilts me.

oz_da II
16-09-2008, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
How are we playing this turn?

SB is 48/12/1.61
CO is 44/2/4

SB: $38.89
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $64.30
CO: $59.30
BTN: $47.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 3http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif
1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.00) 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets $6.00

Might be nitty but I can find a fold here, maybe it is the PLO in me.
Might be different heads up but when two players call behind I'm not liking my 5 high flush too much.

GeeTee
16-09-2008, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Just got back from the Poker Player Championship at the Grosvenor Brighton. Finished 7th...
Bit knackered so I'll do a brief report, on what was an interesting day out for several reasons, tomorrow.

Really keen to read this Paul, but I'm sure you are busy.

Paul Romain
16-09-2008, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by GeeTee
Really keen to read this Paul, but I'm sure you are busy.

I realised this morning I had forgotten to do this - I will type up notes later hopefully

Next live outing will be the Virgin festival next weekend - anyone else apart from me and Tim got in yet? Its well worth trying for - good time guaranteed

Billyd
16-09-2008, 01:50 PM
yeah im going

eaglesrus
16-09-2008, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
yeah im going

nice, quite a few of the APAT people are going .so should be quite a good crowd of us there. looking forward to it!

Chester
16-09-2008, 10:45 PM
http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-forums/7/Has-anyone-ever-won-a-WCOOP-event-from-inside-a-McDonalds_3F00_-3311105

:D

Cant wait for him to finish the story, he won last nights Omaha Hi/lo

Paul Romain
16-09-2008, 11:02 PM
you railing me chester?

Billyd
16-09-2008, 11:02 PM
whats your username?

Paul Romain
16-09-2008, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
whats your username?

jim5432 full tilt

Paul Romain
16-09-2008, 11:06 PM
probably jinxed myself now lol

Billyd
16-09-2008, 11:14 PM
On wrong computer for full tilt so cant watch rail. Good luck tho



PokerStars Game #20462124152: Tournament #107931494, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/09/16 19:09:01 ET
Table '107931494 117' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: serendidity (4463 in chips)
Seat 2: xxxVKxxx (8018 in chips)
Seat 3: windysufan (6230 in chips)
Seat 4: Zoebyr (8260 in chips)
Seat 5: sir-meti (2025 in chips)
Seat 6: billyd77 (2479 in chips)
billyd77: posts small blind 50
serendidity: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [4c Ac]
xxxVKxxx: folds
windysufan: calls 100
Zoebyr: calls 100
sir-meti: calls 100
billyd77: calls 50
serendidity: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c Qs Tc]
billyd77: checks
serendidity: checks
windysufan: checks
Zoebyr: bets 300
sir-meti: calls 300
billyd77: calls 300
serendidity: folds
windysufan is disconnected
billyd77 said, "**** the bed"
windysufan has timed out while disconnected
windysufan: folds
*** TURN *** [8c Qs Tc] [Jc]
windysufan is sitting out
billyd77: checks
Zoebyr: bets 300
billyd77 said, "jokerstars"
sir-meti: calls 300
billyd77: raises 400 to 700
Zoebyr: calls 400
sir-meti: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [8c Qs Tc Jc] [9c]
billyd77: bets 1379 and is all-in
Zoebyr: calls 1379
sir-meti: calls 925 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyd77: shows [4c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
Zoebyr: shows [9s Qc] (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
billyd77 said, "hahahahah"
Zoebyr collected 908 from side pot
sir-meti: shows [7c 9d] (a straight flush, Seven to Jack)
Zoebyr collected 6275 from main pot
ieppo is connected
windysufan is connected
windysufan has returned
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7183 Main pot 6275. Side pot 908. | Rake 0
Board [8c Qs Tc Jc 9c]
Seat 1: serendidity (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: xxxVKxxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: windysufan folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Zoebyr showed [9s Qc] and won (7183) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 5: sir-meti (button) showed [7c 9d] and lost with a straight flush, Seven to Jack
Seat 6: billyd77 (small blind) showed [4c Ac] and lost with a flush, Ace high

Billyd
16-09-2008, 11:15 PM
by the way i said to my brother before that hand happened that il hit flush but he will hit straight flush thats why i 'jokerstars' after the turn

Chester
16-09-2008, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
you railing me chester?

Unlucky, that guy got hit by the deck at the end!

Nice score though :p

Paul Romain
16-09-2008, 11:33 PM
2nd for $3.7k - well outchipped HU. got it in A5s v KQo. hit flush draw on flop but he had a Q and never improved. Nice result though - first decent one for a while

Paul Romain
16-09-2008, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Unlucky, that guy got hit by the deck at the end!

Nice score though :p

ty ty - flush draw never hits me when i need it. He played well though - couldnt get a steal past him at all three handed and he was just running over both of us

Chester
16-09-2008, 11:44 PM
This bloke is leading the WPT Borgata going into the final day :D

His Website (http://69.93.123.146/)

Billyd
16-09-2008, 11:50 PM
well done

iamanuplander
17-09-2008, 06:32 PM
with a bankroll of £1700 what multi table tournaments can i comfortably enter without worrying too much about my BR going south too quick, if variance decides to rear its ugly head. Does it go by the general 40th of my bankroll at any one time rule like with cash, or do you need to be safer because of the added variance.

So i have it that £40 tournies and below i needn't worry about but it would be nice to see what u think. cheers

saul1664
17-09-2008, 07:19 PM
2 percent of bankroll, so for a £1K bankroll you are looking at £20 buy in

Billyd
17-09-2008, 11:27 PM
yeah around 10-25 id say

iamanuplander
18-09-2008, 12:51 AM
cheers ppl, now to stick with another dicipline, not to play while very drunk! :)

GeeTee
18-09-2008, 02:00 PM
Off topic a little, but I'm off up to the Empire to rail day 2 of the WSOPE (Monday 29 Sept). If anyone has a similar plan then it'd be great to meet for a pint.

GeeTee
18-09-2008, 02:03 PM
And, speaking of off topic - do many of you have/attend regular home games?

I'm always keen to swap tips about formats and structures for decent home games and wondered if it's worth another thread? Or is this THE poker thread (despite the 'online' in the title)?

iamanuplander
18-09-2008, 03:56 PM
i would say this is the "poker" thread GeeTee, but i don't know what the rest think.

I won't be railing the Wsope but i do play home games now and again and the main format i play with about 5 people total is a sit and go format where you decide how much money you put in at the start and then have 50 chips each and have the blinds at 1/2 to start. Then when people go out, or if you see a stalemate arising you discuss a blind increase to keep the game ticking over. Might be interesting to have a "7 2 offsuit game" as well whereby if anyone successfully wins a pot with this hand that person gets a quid from all parties, or whatever. Home games makes for some good laughs, just had a game recently where my friend raised all in with 55 pre flop and got a call with J8 suited, the person with 55 lost the pot and has since berated my other friend ever since, because the blinds were such that he should have got away from calling with the J8. In his defence however you know what he said? This cracks me up every time, "they were suited" lol

on the subject of online poker anyway i have a rare tiltage to show you all. Swiftly stopped playing after i didn't luck out on this one to cap the tilt.

Game #7777845664: Hold'em NL (£0.25/£0.50) - 2008/09/18 - 16:29:52 (UK)
Table "Allveig" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Balti1112 (£51.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Gambleag (£74.68 in chips)
Seat 4: Slam_dunk (£145.78 in chips)
Seat 5: 4_king_l (£49.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Ant040689 (£55.50 in chips)
Balti1112: posts small blind £0.25
Gambleag: posts big blind £0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [9c Td]
Slam_dunk: calls £0.50
4_king_l: folds
Ant040689: raises to £1.50
Balti1112: folds
Gambleag: folds
Slam_dunk: calls £1
----- FLOP ----- [8d 4d 7c]
Slam_dunk: checks
Ant040689: bets £2
Slam_dunk: raises to £5.50
Ant040689: raises to £14
golf4evr joins the table at seat #3
Slam_dunk: raises to £144.28 and is all-in
Ant040689: is all-in £40
Returned uncalled bets £90.28 to Slam_dunk
----- TURN ----- [8d 4d 7c][As]
----- RIVER ----- [8d 4d 7c As][4c]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Slam_dunk: shows [6d 7d] (Two Pairs, Sevens and Fours, Ace high)
Ant040689: shows [9c Td] (A Pair of Fours, Ace high)
Slam_dunk collected £108.75 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £111.75 Main pot £108.75 Rake £3
Board [8d 4d 7c As 4c]
Seat 1: Balti1112 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Gambleag (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Slam_dunk showed [6d 7d] and won (£108.75) with Two Pairs, Sevens and Fours, Ace high
Seat 5: 4_king_l folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ant040689 (button) showed [9c Td] and lost with A Pair of Fours, Ace high

Before this hand I was playing well today. I think this is the pick of the bunch from my 12 table play earlier. Had a read on this bloke being a chronic bluffer and was happy with my read, to be honest i think you guys will find it hard to believe this wasn't tilt lol

Game #7777352934: Hold'em NL (£0.25/£0.50) - 2008/09/18 - 14:32:12 (UK)
Table "Nancy" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: 4_king_l (£62.07 in chips)
Seat 2: cobleking (£69.87 in chips)
Seat 3: Slam_dunk sits out
Seat 4: Gambleag (£49.50 in chips)
Seat 5: tickleman (£36.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Ant040689 (£60.36 in chips)
Gambleag sits out
tickleman: posts big blind £0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Ks Ah]
Ant040689: raises to £2
4_king_l: folds
cobleking: calls £2
tickleman: folds
----- FLOP ----- [9d Th Kc]
Ant040689: bets £2.50
cobleking: calls £2.50
----- TURN ----- [9d Th Kc][Jd]
Ant040689: checks
cobleking: bets £6
Ant040689: calls £6
----- RIVER ----- [9d Th Kc Jd][6c]
Ant040689: checks
cobleking: bets £19
Ant040689: calls £19
----- SHOW DOWN -----
cobleking: shows [6d 8d] (A Pair of Sixes, King high)
Ant040689: shows [Ks Ah] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
Ant040689 collected £57.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £59.50 Main pot £57.50 Rake £2
Board [9d Th Kc Jd 6c]
Seat 1: 4_king_l folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: cobleking (button) showed [6d 8d] and lost with A Pair of Sixes, King high
Seat 5: tickleman (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ant040689 showed [Ks Ah] and won (£57.50) with A Pair of Kings, Ace high

Billyd
18-09-2008, 07:21 PM
To be honest i thnik you played the first hand pretty badly, as did your opponent though. But judging by your stakes and your playing 12 tables i guess you know more than me about cash!

iamanuplander
18-09-2008, 08:40 PM
Admittidly i played that first hand horrendously, no excuse for it, it was a tilt. The second hand as well was a gutsy play by me, i fear i have turned into a calling station!

Will be putting some more interesting HH's shortly, i just gotta go and make em happen first :)

iamanuplander
19-09-2008, 01:20 AM
See if you guys can figure out my thinking behind this beauty

Game #7784905484: $1300 GTD (ID8163217) $10+$1 - Hold'em NL (200/400) - 2008/09/19 - 02:15:51 (UK)
Table "8163217 - 2" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: Phi040440 (1450 in chips)
Seat 2: Botag1974 (8152 in chips)
Seat 3: Ant040689 (2460 in chips)
Seat 4: _mirror_ (2197 in chips)
Seat 5: tyrrel3 (7244 in chips)
Seat 6: Ynwa96 (10492 in chips)
Seat 7: Mckenn006 (700 in chips)
Seat 8: Steady006 (8625 in chips)
Seat 9: Steesh_07 (18702 in chips)
Seat 10: Lobo01021 (1155 in chips)
_mirror_: posts the ante 50
tyrrel3: posts the ante 50
Ynwa96: posts the ante 50
Mckenn006: posts the ante 50
Steady006: posts the ante 50
Steesh_07: posts the ante 50
Lobo01021: posts the ante 50
Phi040440: posts the ante 50
Botag1974: posts the ante 50
Ant040689: posts the ante 50
_mirror_: posts small blind 200
tyrrel3: posts big blind 400
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [7d 5d]
Ynwa96: folds
Mckenn006: raises to 650 and is all-in
Steady006: folds
Steesh_07: folds
Lobo01021: folds
Phi040440: folds
Botag1974: folds
Ant040689: raises to 2410 and is all-in
_mirror_: is all-in 1947
tyrrel3: folds
Returned uncalled bets 263 to Ant040689
----- FLOP ----- [Kc 6s Kh]
----- TURN ----- [Kc 6s Kh][5c]
----- RIVER ----- [Kc 6s Kh 5c][2s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ant040689: shows [7d 5d] (Two Pairs, Kings and Fives, Seven high)
_mirror_: shows [Ah Qc] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
Mckenn006: shows [Td Ad] (A Pair of Kings, Ace high)
Ant040689 collected 2994 from Side pot #1
Ant040689 collected 2850 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 5844 Main pot 2850 Side pot #1 2994 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 6s Kh 5c 2s]
Seat 1: Phi040440 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Botag1974 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ant040689 (button) showed [7d 5d] and won (5844) with Two Pairs, Kings and Fives, Seven high
Seat 4: _mirror_ (small blind) showed [Ah Qc] and lost with A Pair of Kings, Ace high
Seat 5: tyrrel3 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Mckenn006 showed [Td Ad] and lost with A Pair of Kings, Ace high
Seat 8: Steady006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Steesh_07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Lobo01021 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Chester
19-09-2008, 01:32 AM
My thinking is an awful attempt at God knows what (wanted to say squeeze but its not even that!) on someone who has either been opening and folding lots of pots or you have a note on.

Either way, Id like to be told im wrong that this was just rubbish

iamanuplander
19-09-2008, 02:15 AM
lol that response is brilliant.

my thinking was that the opening all in guy only had 650 to committ all in making the pot a total of 1750. I hoped my raise of all in would isolate this player therefore meaning i have only comitted 650 chips at a chance of winning a 2400 pot. Potential pot odds of around 4/1. My seven fived suited would be at better odds at about 3/2 against live cards which i assumed i was up against. Also even if i lost i am still in the tourney with 1800 remaining. The reason i am going all in in the first place is to accumulate chip fast and in the safest way possible, and i thought this was a good spot.

Turns out my all in behind wasn't enough to get sumone off AQ behind me and now i am in dire shape for my tournament. Also it was unlikely i was going to get a call behind becos no one likes playing two other ppl all in if they haven't got a premium hand, and i was unlucky enough to run into one behind.

Chester
19-09-2008, 02:23 AM
"It was a shit play"

At least you are honest. :D

Fair play for the explanation but I cant see anyone playing it the same

iamanuplander
19-09-2008, 02:43 AM
i agree not many ppl wud play it the same, but i don't think i played it badly, if it was tilt i would put my hands up into the air lol. Hopefully somebody on this forum would back me on that move but i think i will be the lone soldier lol.

oz_da II
19-09-2008, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
i agree not many ppl wud play it the same, but i don't think i played it badly, if it was tilt i would put my hands up into the air lol. Hopefully somebody on this forum would back me on that move but i think i will be the lone soldier lol.

You're doing a lot of hoping in that hand, hoping UTG+1 doesn't have a monster and hoping that SB and BB don't have either a monster or feel compelled to call with a very strong hand. On top of that you could realise that 7 players (including yourself) more than likely had poor hands which bumps up the chances that either BB or SB have good hands. You're on the button so the blinds are an orbit away so there doesn't seem to be too much urgency.

I think I'd find a better spot.

iamanuplander
19-09-2008, 05:24 AM
your right. :(

Billyd
19-09-2008, 02:47 PM
sorry but your play was absolutely horrific!

(The bloke with AQ HAS to fold incidentally)

iamanuplander
19-09-2008, 04:23 PM
i actually do that play all the time on a final table and it has treated me well because players behind have always folded, and gives me the opportunity to luck out on a pot that i don't have much invested in. But the play is bad admittidely if i am not able to isolate, which i couldn't guarentee and it turns out i got rumbled here. To be honest sometimes i enter tournaments on the back of a very profitable day and play like an idiot just to see what people really did have in positions i had automatically folded in previously and duly realised i have to start playing looser. Will put up more HH's in more intriguing positions later, i won't show you all of my solid play because where's the fun in that?

iamanuplander
20-09-2008, 03:11 AM
horrific day don't wanna put any HH's up

oz_da II
20-09-2008, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Billyd

(The bloke with AQ HAS to fold incidentally)

Maybe he has notes on Ant040689 :)

Paul Romain
20-09-2008, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Chester
"It was a shit play"

At least you are honest. :D

Fair play for the explanation but I cant see anyone playing it the same

I hate to disappoint you but theres a reasonable chance I may have done the same thing! M=2 theres no point waiting to be first in cos you are going to get called anyway. 75s is reasonable, plays fine against overcards at the odds and tbh the initial raiser could have atc.
So I dont think its the worst play in the world - on balance i would probably tank and fold but I wouldnt rule it out entirely

iamanuplander
20-09-2008, 09:02 AM
Paul my saviour, i was being made out to look like a complete mentalist, when really im only partly one :D

Paul Romain
20-09-2008, 10:47 AM
Brighton PokerPlayer Championship Report

Better late than never....

The tournament was due to start at 2pm and as I only live in Croydon I left at 12.45 which seemed like plenty of time – I knew where I was going and I also knew there was a multistorey carpark virtually next door. (you sort of know where this is heading already don't you... lol!!)

A bit like John Cleese in Clockwise, the best laid plans all went wrong with a simple decision to turn right instead of left. Approaching the A27/A23 roundabout on the outskirts of Brighton I noticed an AA sign about football traffic and as the traffic seemed to be a little heavy after the roundabout, and knowing that the Withdean Stadium wasn't far ahead, I decided to detour right up towards the Devils Dyke and approach the town from the “back way” to avoid getting stuck in football traffic. (two pertinant facts should have struck me at this point – firstly that it was only about 1.20pm but even more relevantly - Brighton were actually away!) The net result was that eventually I came across a roadworks diversion that led me into a never ending circle of back streets with every road leading back to anywhere that I knew seemingly being protected by a no entry sign. Quite where I
went wrong I shall never know but I have found parts of Brighton that I never knew existed.

Anyway, I eventually made it to near the casino by about 1.50pm only to find there were two roads leading to its carpark – one was
blocked by a lorry and the other was a No Entry. At this point the thought of a dwindling chip stack outweighed any concern for
the Highway Code and I went for the No Entry route (having quickly scouted for CCTV and seen none – cue for £50 fine arriving in
post shortly no doubt!) The carpark of course was so full that it looked like an attempt on the world record for fitting the most vehicles into the smallest space possible. At least this time I was able to exit up the one way street in the right direction in search of the multistorey.

Turning right at the Pier there are some helpful signs: Car Park – FULL....Car Park.- FULL...Car Park – Full.

The Regency Square one is showing spaces though – so to there I head, noting that it is going to be a 10 minute jog back (at this
point I am regretting not having noted what the starting stacks were! I am thinking that if it was 1500 I am in serious trouble!!) - my steering wheel is also beginning to suffer from having been repeatedly and violently punched over the last half hour.

As if it couldnt get any worse.....the entrance to the underground carpark is at the top of Regency Square and the queue tails
back all the way past the exit at the bottom. The queue is not moving. There is a very good reason for this which being the
intelligent chap I am I quickly worked out. Actually, no, you didnt have to be that intelligent to work it out – which I loudly and possibly a little aggressively pointed out to the •••••• eejit in the queue who was blocking the fking exit – therefore preventing people leaving, therefore making the carpark computer think it was full and therefore preventing the barriers at the entrance opening. We got it cleared eventually but of course it kept happening over and over again as one eejit after another demonstrated they had lost the brains they were born with. I was in and out of my car like a yo-yo getting people to move and trying to encourage the bloke in charge to stop going back to his fag and newspaper and actually do his job rather than me have to do it.

(I will get to the poker tournament shortly....)

I finally arrived – after running all the way in a mini heatwave that had made an untimely appearance – in a slightly frazzled state and an hour late – to find that at last the gods had smiled on me with a starting stack of 5000 and remarkably of that I still had 4700. I was amazed!

And so the poker – at last......the first hand I played was KK utg+1. Utg min-raised which threw me straight away. I decided to flat call that. The blinds were still quite low and I thought I might induce a squeeze and make more that way rather than folding everyone with a reraise. Just in case utg was being trappy with AA I thought that might let me see what he did to a reraise too before I had to act. So of course what actually happened was 5 others called! I had to bet into a raggy flop only to get immediately rearaised. The likelihood of a set was so high I couldnt call and he did show 777. That cost me a chunk of chips for a start off – not good!

I managed to hold my position with some blind steals for a while but the blind structure was pretty brutal with steep increases in 25 min levels. I was soon in shove/fold territory but luckily despite the structure people were still playing tight and I was getting shoves through regularly.

I was twice unlucky having to hand back AQsuited and TT to misdeals but despite that I managed somehow to stagger to the final table with a combination of regular uncalled shoves and three called shoves that I won

A9>KJ
33>AQ
AA>JJ

I was fortunate on the bubble when I was called for a string bet (which I wasnt at all happy about but had no joy disputing*) -
attempting to shove over an early limper with my 22 I was forced to flat call – letting a second big stack caller in behind me. I had to shove the rest on an A high flop and luckily got it through.

Final table was down to 8 quickly as a chip and chair went out. Then there was a big confrontation which left the guy to my left

crippled with his big blind to come putting him allin for 15 chips! The next hand was hilarious as he was in with two others for the rest of his chips without looking at his cards. At showdown he turned over his cards one at a time to show ...A.....A :D The others missed.

The next hand and still all in on my big blind it was folded round to him and I looked forward to an easy few thousand chips with my KJ suited - so this time he flipped over KQ! The guy turned out to be Graham Morl who I googled and found he is a regular on APAT and pretty good. (By bizarre coincidence he was again on my left this week in a satellite to the APAT Masters and I knocked him out this time!)

He still went out shortly after leaving me 7th of 7 and I quickly - and unluckily- followed him to the rail when I came over the top of a early limper with 88 and he turned over 99 (grrr!) Flop 8 J 5 (wa-haay!) then 6...7 (bollx!!!)

Overall, although I enjoyed the day eventually - winning £220 which even after the £55 buy-in £15 petrol and a thieving £12.50 car park charge left me ahead on the day - I wasnt overly impressed with the Grosvenor or the way the tournament was run. One waitress most of the time for up to 100 people and over 2 hours between breaks, the tournament screens were constantly switching to a tiny rebuy tourney even hours before it started leaving us clueless at crucial times in the event. The tournament manager seemed disinterested a lot of the time and tables were slow to be broken and short tables rebalanced - down to 20 we were still playing across three tables for a few hands before he got round to breaking it up which considering the blind levels were pretty brutal was also a bit daft.

So that was that - a first live cash in three attempts after a going out close to the bubble in the first Virgin festival and even closer on DTD launch event so pleased with that and hopefully a good warm up for the Virgin festival next weekend when maybe I can challenge our resident live tourney expert!

(Everyone still awake??? :D)

* string bet - Now although this was only my third live event I was well aware of the rule but in mitigation it had been a long day I was tired, short stacked and intending to shove the last of my chips in over an early limper.

I had stacked my remaining chips in two equal piles - which comfortably fitted one in each hand. Of course I should have slid them all forward but without thinking, and because of the convenient way they were stacked for it, I picked up a pile in each hand and went to put them both in - but unfortunately in a "one a split second after the other motion" instead of both together. As soon as my right hand had crossed the line by a fraction with the other following behind the dealer said " you cant do that - you have to leave the others where they are now" ( I still had one pile in each hand - not having released either)

OK - technically it was a string bet I guess. I accept that as the letter of the law. But it was perfectly obvious what i was intending to do and I was pretty furious about the pedantic application of the law in this instance.

Paul Romain
20-09-2008, 10:54 AM
Brighton PokerPlayer Championship Report

Better late than never....

The tournament was due to start at 2pm and as I only live in Croydon I left at 12.45 which seemed like plenty of time – I knew where I was going and I also knew there was a multistorey carpark virtually next door. (you sort of know where this is heading already don't you... lol!!)

A bit like John Cleese in Clockwise, the best laid plans all went wrong with a simple decision to turn right instead of left. Approaching the A27/A23 roundabout on the outskirts of Brighton I noticed an AA sign about football traffic and as the traffic seemed to be a little heavy after the roundabout, and knowing that the Withdean Stadium wasn't far ahead, I decided to detour right up towards the Devils Dyke and approach the town from the “back way” to avoid getting stuck in football traffic. (two pertinant facts should have struck me at this point – firstly that it was only about 1.20pm but even more relevantly - Brighton were actually away!) The net result was that eventually I came across a roadworks diversion that led me into a never ending circle of back streets with every road leading back to anywhere that I knew seemingly being protected by a no entry sign. Quite where I
went wrong I shall never know but I have found parts of Brighton that I never knew existed.

Anyway, I eventually made it to near the casino by about 1.50pm only to find there were two roads leading to its carpark – one was
blocked by a lorry and the other was a No Entry. At this point the thought of a dwindling chip stack outweighed any concern for
the Highway Code and I went for the No Entry route (having quickly scouted for CCTV and seen none – cue for £50 fine arriving in
post shortly no doubt!) The carpark of course was so full that it looked like an attempt on the world record for fitting the most vehicles into the smallest space possible. At least this time I was able to exit up the one way street in the right direction in search of the multistorey.

Turning right at the Pier there are some helpful signs: Car Park – FULL....Car Park.- FULL...Car Park – Full.

The Regency Square one is showing spaces though – so to there I head, noting that it is going to be a 10 minute jog back (at this
point I am regretting not having noted what the starting stacks were! I am thinking that if it was 1500 I am in serious trouble!!) - my steering wheel is also beginning to suffer from having been repeatedly and violently punched over the last half hour.

As if it couldnt get any worse.....the entrance to the underground carpark is at the top of Regency Square and the queue tails
back all the way past the exit at the bottom. The queue is not moving. There is a very good reason for this which being the
intelligent chap I am I quickly worked out. Actually, no, you didnt have to be that intelligent to work it out – which I loudly and possibly a little aggressively pointed out to the •••••• eejit in the queue who was blocking the fking exit – therefore preventing people leaving, therefore making the carpark computer think it was full and therefore preventing the barriers at the entrance opening. We got it cleared eventually but of course it kept happening over and over again as one eejit after another demonstrated they had lost the brains they were born with. I was in and out of my car like a yo-yo getting people to move and trying to encourage the bloke in charge to stop going back to his fag and newspaper and actually do his job rather than me have to do it.

(I will get to the poker tournament shortly....)

I finally arrived – after running all the way in a mini heatwave that had made an untimely appearance – in a slightly frazzled state and an hour late – to find that at last the gods had smiled on me with a starting stack of 5000 and remarkably of that I still had 4700. I was amazed!

And so the poker – at last......the first hand I played was KK utg+1. Utg min-raised which threw me straight away. I decided to flat call that. The blinds were still quite low and I thought I might induce a squeeze and make more that way rather than folding everyone with a reraise. Just in case utg was being trappy with AA I thought that might let me see what he did to a reraise too before I had to act. So of course what actually happened was 5 others called! I had to bet into a raggy flop only to get immediately rearaised. The likelihood of a set was so high I couldnt call and he did show 777. That cost me a chunk of chips for a start off – not good!

I managed to hold my position with some blind steals for a while but the blind structure was pretty brutal with steep increases in 25 min levels. I was soon in shove/fold territory but luckily despite the structure people were still playing tight and I was getting shoves through regularly.

I was twice unlucky having to hand back AQsuited and TT to misdeals but despite that I managed somehow to stagger to the final table with a combination of regular uncalled shoves and three called shoves that I won

A9>KJ
33>AQ
AA>JJ

I was fortunate on the bubble when I was called for a string bet (which I wasnt at all happy about but had no joy disputing*) -
attempting to shove over an early limper with my 22 I was forced to flat call – letting a second big stack caller in behind me. I had to shove the rest on an A high flop and luckily got it through.

Final table was down to 8 quickly as a chip and chair went out. Then there was a big confrontation which left the guy to my left

crippled with his big blind to come putting him allin for 150 chips! The next hand was hilarious as he was in with two others for the rest of his chips without looking at his cards. At showdown he turned over his cards one at a time to show ...A.....A :D The others missed.

The next hand and still all in on my big blind it was folded round to him and I looked forward to an easy few thousand chips with my KJ suited - so this time he flipped over KQ! The guy turned out to be Graham Morl who I googled and found he is a regular on APAT and pretty good. (By bizarre coincidence he was again on my left this week in a satellite to the APAT Masters and I knocked him out this time!)

He still went out shortly after leaving me 7th of 7 and I quickly - and unluckily- followed him to the rail when I came over the top of a early limper with 88 and he turned over 99 (grrr!) Flop 8 J 5 (wa-haay!) then 6...7 (bollx!!!)

Overall, although I enjoyed the day eventually - winning £220 which even after the £55 buy-in £15 petrol and a thieving £12.50 car park charge left me ahead on the day - I wasnt overly impressed with the Grosvenor or the way the tournament was run. One waitress most of the time for up to 100 people and over 2 hours between breaks, the tournament screens were constantly switching to a tiny rebuy tourney even hours before it started leaving us clueless at crucial times in the event. The tournament manager seemed disinterested a lot of the time and tables were slow to be broken and short tables rebalanced - down to 20 we were still playing across three tables for a few hands before he got round to breaking it up which considering the blind levels were pretty brutal was also a bit daft.

So that was that - a first live cash in three attempts after a going out close to the bubble in the first Virgin festival and even closer on DTD launch event so pleased with that and hopefully a good warm up for the Virgin festival next weekend when maybe I can challenge our resident live tourney expert!

(Everyone still awake??? :D)

* string bet - Now although this was only my third live event I was well aware of the rule but in mitigation it had been a long day I was tired, short stacked and intending to shove the last of my chips in over an early limper.

I had stacked my remaining chips in two equal piles - which comfortably fitted one in each hand. Of course I should have slid them all forward but without thinking, and because of the convenient way they were stacked for it, I picked up a pile in each hand and went to put them both in - but unfortunately in a "one a split second after the other motion" instead of both together. As soon as my right hand had crossed the line by a fraction with the other following behind the dealer said " you cant do that - you have to leave the others where they are now" ( I still had one pile in each hand - not having released either)

OK - technically it was a string bet I guess. I accept that as the letter of the law. But it was perfectly obvious what i was intending to do and I was pretty furious about the pedantic application of the law in this instance.

Paul Romain
20-09-2008, 10:56 AM
sorry - wont let me delete duplicate post - thought laptop had frozen so tried again

Chester
21-09-2008, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
I hate to disappoint you but theres a reasonable chance I may have done the same thing! M=2 theres no point waiting to be first in cos you are going to get called anyway. 75s is reasonable, plays fine against overcards at the odds and tbh the initial raiser could have atc.
So I dont think its the worst play in the world - on balance i would probably tank and fold but I wouldnt rule it out entirely

If you are going to do that then you cant ever call. shoving with atc if there is no action before you is fine but never a call, Sorry you are wrong :)

saul1664
21-09-2008, 08:21 AM
I wouldn't have shoved with 75 there but I don't mind the call, blinds are 200/400, so you have to factor in that you will lose 600 more chips on the next rotation if you aren't prepared to push on BB/SB or get anything else inbetween. Only thing that would put me off is the small stack shoving there, could be atc, but more likely to be a PP or Ax. Don't mind the AQ shove either with his stack, he has two live cards over most PP, and only really dominated by AK, loses some value 3 way, but he's short stacked and may not get anything better.

I never like shoving once raised, unless sitting with a monster, it's must more preferable to put pressure on others in an unraised pot.

Billyd
21-09-2008, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Chester
If you are going to do that then you cant ever call. shoving with atc if there is no action before you is fine but never a call, Sorry you are wrong :)

Agreed. Plus you lose a tight table image. You tend to want to have a tight image as the blinds increase so you dont have too much trouble blind stealing etc

Saul - calling is not an option. Fold. Though IF you are going to play the hand youve gotta shove. Also the AQ has to fold also.

se1eagle
21-09-2008, 01:47 PM
LOL Donkaments ;)

saul1664
21-09-2008, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
Agreed. Plus you lose a tight table image. You tend to want to have a tight image as the blinds increase so you dont have too much trouble blind stealing etc

Saul - calling is not an option. Fold. Though IF you are going to play the hand youve gotta shove. Also the AQ has to fold also.

But he does shove all-in? Why does AQ have to fold, has the best hand, and it basically heads up (if you discount the 650). AQ not the worst hand in the world to shove with short stacked?

Strathclyde Eagle
21-09-2008, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Brighton PokerPlayer Championship Report

Better late than never....
Enjoyed that Paul. Might have to read it in more depth at work tomorrow. ;)

On the string bet I think just saying "all in" probably prevents that from happening again, although the times you see people get away with similar actions on the TV you think it would be okay.

saul1664
21-09-2008, 03:48 PM
do a hellmuth and then just shove all your chips in the middle in micro seconds usually when completely dominated

Strathclyde Eagle
21-09-2008, 05:59 PM
Or actually do a Hellmuth, shove all your chips in when completely dominating and then have a comedy meltdown when you're sucked out on. :D

Billyd
21-09-2008, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Why does AQ have to fold, has the best hand, and it basically heads up (if you discount the 650). AQ not the worst hand in the world to shove with short stacked?


its an easy easy fold. If he calls at best he is around 40% to win the hand 3 handed. I dont like putting my whole tournament life on those sort of odds.

Would prefer to push any unopened pot with any 2 than call that hand.

David Amsalem
21-09-2008, 09:58 PM
Anybody getting away from this? Maybe fold pre-flop after the re-raise?

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 416915240 *****
NL $0.25/$0.50 Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 21, 21:55:08 GMT 2008
Table Neon 32 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: MEEEE ( $51.32 )
Seat 2: TRAINERSTAR ( $39.19 )
Seat 3: Cippry ( $32.80 )
Seat 4: 7703045603 ( $30.95 )
Seat 5: 234lucky ( $0 )
Seat 6: tiltmonster ( $68.33 )
TRAINERSTAR posts small blind [$0.25]
Cippry posts big blind [$0.50]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MEEEE [ Ks, Js ]
7703045603 folds
tiltmonster folds
MEEEE raises to [$1.75]
TRAINERSTAR raises to [$4]
Cippry folds
MEEEE calls [$2.25]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Kd, 3s ]
TRAINERSTAR checks
MEEEE bets [$4]
TRAINERSTAR calls [$4]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
TRAINERSTAR checks
MEEEE bets [$16.50]
TRAINERSTAR calls [$16.50]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
TRAINERSTAR goes all-in
TRAINERSTAR bets [$14.69]
MEEEE calls [$14.69]
** Showdown **
MEEEE shows [ Ks, Js ] full house, Threes full of Kings
TRAINERSTAR shows [ Kh, Kc ] full house, Kings full of Threes
** Hand Conclusion **

Billyd
21-09-2008, 10:31 PM
yeah quite an easy fold pre flop after the re raise. no one gets away from it after that

David Amsalem
21-09-2008, 10:42 PM
My thoughts exactly.

In hindsight mind you...

se1eagle
21-09-2008, 11:15 PM
It's a tiny preflop raise though, I'm rarely folding in position to what is practically a minraise with a hand like KJs.

Paul Romain
21-09-2008, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Chester
If you are going to do that then you cant ever call. shoving with atc if there is no action before you is fine but never a call, Sorry you are wrong :)

I don't think so - and I've done a bit more maths on this since.

For starters a lot of you are just not thinking in tournament strategy terms. The initial raiser has barely enough to cover the blinds that are about to hit him. He has a HUGE range because of this. Although it is true that ordinarily it is best to be open shoving rather than calling Ant is holding 75s which Poker Stove puts at 6/4 against the top 75% of hands. As Ant pointed out he gets nearly 4/1 if no-one comes in behind him. It is unlucky that there is a short stack holding AQ who also probably cant wait for a better opportunity (I dont agree with Billy either - AQ has to call not fold given his stack and the likely ranges of short stacks in front) - ordinarily Ant could have expected to get it heads up 4 times out of 5 probably. The most important thing to consider is that Ant is also very short stacked and the blinds are going to effectively wipe him out in a few hands time too. Yes its risky but this is tournament play not cash and we are in last chance saloon - the chances of another hand coming along that is good enough to open shove before the blinds hit and not get called as a big underdog is slim and after the blinds hit any double up will only get us back to where we are now.In hindsight I think it is a perfectly reasonable shove

Chester
21-09-2008, 11:19 PM
Fair do's. Was a bit pissed when i wrote that didnt mean to come off quite so aggressive :D

Nice TR as well

Billyd
21-09-2008, 11:54 PM
good explanation i still dont agree tho!

1- just think there are better spots to get chips
2- no need to double up a player unessesarily
3 - you could run into a big hand in the blinds with little to fall back on
4 - loses you alot of respect on the table (eg for stealing blinds in later hands)

Paul Romain
22-09-2008, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
good explanation i still dont agree tho!

1- just think there are better spots to get chips
2- no need to double up a player unessesarily
3 - you could run into a big hand in the blinds with little to fall back on
4 - loses you alot of respect on the table (eg for stealing blinds in later hands)

1 - you don't have the time left to wait for better spots
2 - at this stage in the game doubling up someone else is irrelevant compared with your own situation
3 - its too unlikely to influence your decision - the initial shove and your shove reraise will see off any marginals. Finding AQ behind was unlucky
4 - completely irrelevant when this shortstacked - concerns about future hands are outweighed by the need to get chips now. And in any case you are so shortstacked - even if you win this hand - that you are really looking to get a call and double through rather than just steal. We really are in a s**t or bust situation here.

I think I have just about exhausted my logic on this one - Tim, if you're around I'd like to hear another tournament specialist view.

Finbar
22-09-2008, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Chester
http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-forums/7/Has-anyone-ever-won-a-WCOOP-event-from-inside-a-McDonalds_3F00_-3311105

:D

Cant wait for him to finish the story, he won last nights Omaha Hi/lo

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-articles/would-you-like-fries-with-that-wcoop-victory-3331787

a good read

iamanuplander
22-09-2008, 03:12 PM
Cheers Paul for being more articulate than me in the explanation of why i played my hand in that way. Everything you said was what was going through my mind in that hand. Perhaps i could be confused as a complete donk by thinking that 75s on its own merits is a good hand, but i was honestly thinking about all the other aspects.

iamanuplander
22-09-2008, 08:50 PM
I think i played this well up until reacting to the min re raise on the flop, but i'm not sure anyone could get away from it. I flat called the raise all in by the short stack so as to sucker ichiboz in the pot with an inferior hand, tunrs out he gets lucky and takes me out. Before you all go on about only playing against one other person is the optimum poker strategy here, i suggest to you that i was more interested in getting all of ichiboz's chips, whereby he would be looser to call an all in on most flops because he has too much already invested. But what do you guys think

Game #7819814474: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2008/09/22 - 20:58:32 (UK)
Table "Jeffrey" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: z4muz ($114 in chips)
Seat 2: carlosdk ($267 in chips)
Seat 3: Ichiboz ($134.03 in chips)
Seat 4: Ta2ed ($17.84 in chips)
Seat 5: Ant040689 ($94 in chips)
Seat 6: Eggpl4nt ($224 in chips)
Ta2ed: posts small blind $0.50
Ant040689: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Ah Ac]
z4muz: folds
carlosdk: folds
Ichiboz: raises to $4
Ta2ed: raises to $17.84 and is all-in
Ant040689: calls $16.84
Ichiboz: calls $13.84
----- FLOP ----- [4s 7d Qd]
Ant040689: bets $21
Ichiboz: raises to $42
Ant040689: raises to $76.16 and is all-in
Ichiboz: calls $34.16
----- TURN ----- [4s 7d Qd][2c]
----- RIVER ----- [4s 7d Qd 2c][Ks]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ant040689: shows [Ah Ac] (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Ichiboz: shows [7h 7s] (Three of a kind, Sevens, King high)
Ta2ed: shows [9c 9h] (A Pair of Nines, King high)
Ichiboz collected $151.99 from Side pot #1
Ichiboz collected $50.85 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $205.84 Main pot $50.85 Side pot #1 $151.99 | Rake $3
Board [4s 7d Qd 2c Ks]
Seat 1: z4muz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: carlosdk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ichiboz (button) showed [7h 7s] and won ($202.84) with Three of a kind, Sevens, King high
Seat 4: Ta2ed (small blind) showed [9c 9h] and lost with A Pair of Nines, King high
Seat 5: Ant040689 (big blind) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with A Pair of Aces, King high

David Amsalem
22-09-2008, 10:06 PM
This might not be the correct play but I'm thinking that as soon as Ta2ed raises all in, I'm pushing in all my stack as well just to narrow the field.

Mind you, I think it's a poor call from Ichiboz who must know that he is drawing to two remaining sevens to have any sort of hope at winning the hand.

se1eagle
22-09-2008, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
I think i played this well up until reacting to the min re raise on the flop, but i'm not sure anyone could get away from it. I flat called the raise all in by the short stack so as to sucker ichiboz in the pot with an inferior hand, tunrs out he gets lucky and takes me out. Before you all go on about only playing against one other person is the optimum poker strategy here, i suggest to you that i was more interested in getting all of ichiboz's chips, whereby he would be looser to call an all in on most flops because he has too much already invested. But what do you guys think


Any stats on Ichiboz? I don't think I'm getting away from this... There's so much money in the pot I think you have to get it in and hope he has AQ/KQ/AdKd

Paul Romain
22-09-2008, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
This might not be the correct play but I'm thinking that as soon as Ta2ed raises all in, I'm pushing in all my stack as well just to narrow the field.


AA is still well over 50% against 2 others so I think flatting is fine - plus it might encourage someone to reraise and you can shove on them

Paul Romain
23-09-2008, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
AA is still well over 50% against 2 others so I think flatting is fine - plus it might encourage someone to reraise and you can shove on them

which of course is what happened - didnt read it through properly! (busy on a final table at the moment - brag etc.. lol)

Chester
23-09-2008, 12:59 AM
Such donkaments :)

Currently 4/7 at the final table

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/ft-sweat-wcoop-main-event-satty-271715/

Chester
23-09-2008, 01:45 AM
he got 5th for 801k after a chop that was absolutely raped by AJKHoosier1

Billyd
23-09-2008, 08:46 PM
amazing story.

AJKHoosier1 is a sick player up there with annette pearljammer etc imo

Chester
23-09-2008, 10:02 PM
I have never seen anything like it yesterday. The best hand AIPF never won, KK was a curse unless it was up against AA. And people were busting left right and centre .It was a fun couple of hours watching.

AJK was immense yesterday. Thought he was gonna take it down after the chop as he made a great comeback

Big Patch
24-09-2008, 08:57 AM
Hi everyone, I've been playing poker for a few years now and when i play online I always play on ladbrokes. Are there any better sites to play on? Getting mighty p1ssed off with an increase in bad beats and the fact that everytime I fold chasing a flush/straight draw I hit them.

saul1664
24-09-2008, 09:48 AM
I stopped playing at that network years ago as the beats were incredible, play mostly on Pokerstars and have made some nice cashes in tournaments, but again some of the beats in cash games make you question the validity of online poker, but that's online poker in general where you play more hands than you do live and populated by bad players who will call atc.

Depends on your flush draw, say if you have Ah Kh, and you have two hearts on the flop and two overcards, I don't mind going all in there, unless you have a seriously strong read on the player. I think you answered your own question when you mentioned "chasing" straights and flushes. If you are in position and have a gutshot straight draw and everyone has limped, don't mind raising in that position, but facing action, its an easy fold every time.

Big Patch
24-09-2008, 04:28 PM
thanks mate, good advice. I'll investigate pokerstars.

Billyd
25-09-2008, 03:40 AM
just gone out in 20th from 1400. Here is the hand i pretty much went out in (well lost most my chips). Whats your opinion on how i played it?

Table '109499829 111' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: EZapppp (106416 in chips)
Seat 2: ~Tony4Fun~ (324422 in chips)
Seat 3: ParisTilt0n (87216 in chips)
Seat 4: billyd77 (168737 in chips)
Seat 6: OP_4001 (125800 in chips)
EZapppp: posts the ante 600
~Tony4Fun~: posts the ante 600
ParisTilt0n: posts the ante 600
billyd77: posts the ante 600
OP_4001: posts the ante 600
EZapppp: posts small blind 3000
~Tony4Fun~: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Kc Ah]
ParisTilt0n: folds
billyd77: raises 9000 to 15000
OP_4001: folds
EZapppp: calls 12000
~Tony4Fun~: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 2s 7d]
EZapppp: bets 12000
billyd77: raises 141137 to 153137 and is all-in
EZapppp: calls 78816 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (62321) returned to billyd77
*** TURN *** [3c 2s 7d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3c 2s 7d 5d] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EZapppp: shows [Jd Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
billyd77: shows [Kc Ah] (high card Ace)
billyd77 said, "nice call"
EZapppp collected 220632 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 220632 | Rake 0
Board [3c 2s 7d 5d 8d]
Seat 1: EZapppp (small blind) showed [Jd Jc] and won (220632) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: ~Tony4Fun~ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ParisTilt0n folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: billyd77 showed [Kc Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: OP_4001 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I know what your thinking!!!

Right my explanation for the shove on the flop! Firstly he flated pre flop for that reason i cant think he has AA KK QQ JJ or AK as he would re reaise. Could prob also put 10 10 99 and AQ into that bracket aswell but its not so clear cut.
My initinal thoughts when he flats is he has 77, 88, 99 or AQ to A5. KQ, KJ.

Ive been playing very agressive and have continuation betted every flop so i cannot for the life of me put him on 77 as i really dont think he bets there.
Therefore i put his most likely holding as something like 88 or A high and thinks it may be good so worth a stab.

Therefore when I raise all in im thinking i will obv get him off any ace and there is a good chance i can get him to fold 88 or 99 and even if he does call im not in that bad shape with 2 overcards.

Hope it makes sense. Think I did right thing?

oz_da II
25-09-2008, 03:49 AM
I'd only make this play if everyone on my table perceived me as a tight player, as you say people are perceiving you as a bit agro. I don't think he's folding (unless he's donk bluffing) and you're obviously not beating much.

oz_da II
25-09-2008, 03:52 AM
Another gov't with too much time on its hands and looking for monsters under the bed...

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/article/5121/kentucky-attempts-to-seize-online-poker-domains

A short excerpt here.

Kentucky is taking on the online gambling industry by attempting to seize 141 domain names registered to online companies by using a law that allows officials to seize devices that are used to for illegal gambling. The government will try to convince a judge on Thursday that the law applies to Internet domain names and that the state should take ownership of them in order to protect its citizens

“Unlicensed, unregulated, illegal Internet gambling poses a tremendous threat to the citizens of the Commonwealth because of its ease, availability and anonymity,” Beshear said at Monday’s press conference. “The owners and operators of these illegal sites prey on Kentucky citizens, including our youth, and deprive the Commonwealth of millions of dollars in revenue. It’s an underworld wrought with scams and schemes.”

Amazing...

oz_da II
25-09-2008, 03:56 AM
This may be interesting.



What: A special Heads-up No-Limit Texas Hold'em Match

USA vs. Europe - Best 2 out of 3 games is declared the winner!

Who: The King -- Ten-time WSOP gold bracelet winner and two-time World Champion Doyle "Texas Dolly" Brunson

vs.

The (Reigning) Queen --- WSOP Europe 2007 Main Event Champion and Betfair Sponsored pro Annette Obrestad

When: Friday, 26th September, at 13:00 (UK)

Where: The Casino at the Empire, 5-6 Leicester Square, London, England WC2H 7NA

GeeTee
25-09-2008, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Brighton PokerPlayer Championship Report

... The guy turned out to be Graham Morl who I googled and found he is a regular on APAT and pretty good. (By bizarre coincidence he was again on my left this week in a satellite to the APAT Masters and I knocked him out this time!)



Ah, I've played against him online a few times (where he goes by 'Morlspin') and was very happy to knock him out of a tourney on Virgin earlier this year (also in the manner I did, but that's another tale), as I know what a good player he is.

He's one of the stalwarts of the Punter's Lounge forum. His stats there show 111 MTT wins.

Thanks for the report Paul. Interesting what you say about the Grosvenor as was hoping they'd use the Rendezvous for it, but I couldn't make it in the end anyway.

iamanuplander
25-09-2008, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
just gone out in 20th from 1400. Here is the hand i pretty much went out in (well lost most my chips). Whats your opinion on how i played it?

Table '109499829 111' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: EZapppp (106416 in chips)
Seat 2: ~Tony4Fun~ (324422 in chips)
Seat 3: ParisTilt0n (87216 in chips)
Seat 4: billyd77 (168737 in chips)
Seat 6: OP_4001 (125800 in chips)
EZapppp: posts the ante 600
~Tony4Fun~: posts the ante 600
ParisTilt0n: posts the ante 600
billyd77: posts the ante 600
OP_4001: posts the ante 600
EZapppp: posts small blind 3000
~Tony4Fun~: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Kc Ah]
ParisTilt0n: folds
billyd77: raises 9000 to 15000
OP_4001: folds
EZapppp: calls 12000
~Tony4Fun~: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 2s 7d]
EZapppp: bets 12000
billyd77: raises 141137 to 153137 and is all-in
EZapppp: calls 78816 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (62321) returned to billyd77
*** TURN *** [3c 2s 7d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3c 2s 7d 5d] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EZapppp: shows [Jd Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
billyd77: shows [Kc Ah] (high card Ace)
billyd77 said, "nice call"
EZapppp collected 220632 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 220632 | Rake 0
Board [3c 2s 7d 5d 8d]
Seat 1: EZapppp (small blind) showed [Jd Jc] and won (220632) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: ~Tony4Fun~ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ParisTilt0n folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: billyd77 showed [Kc Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: OP_4001 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I know what your thinking!!!

Right my explanation for the shove on the flop! Firstly he flated pre flop for that reason i cant think he has AA KK QQ JJ or AK as he would re reaise. Could prob also put 10 10 99 and AQ into that bracket aswell but its not so clear cut.
My initinal thoughts when he flats is he has 77, 88, 99 or AQ to A5. KQ, KJ.

Ive been playing very agressive and have continuation betted every flop so i cannot for the life of me put him on 77 as i really dont think he bets there.
Therefore i put his most likely holding as something like 88 or A high and thinks it may be good so worth a stab.

Therefore when I raise all in im thinking i will obv get him off any ace and there is a good chance i can get him to fold 88 or 99 and even if he does call im not in that bad shape with 2 overcards.

Hope it makes sense. Think I did right thing?

I personally think you didn't do the right thing, if you were trying to test the validity of his raise on the flop you should have re raised to 50000-40000, instead of raising your whole remaining stack of 140000. You get the same information from both raises but with one of the options you still have 90000-100000 chips remaining, if all goes tits up, which it did. By the way, i also think you were blindsighted by AK, which i don't rate as much of a hand unless you are moving all in pre flop, or hit it on the flop (but this is unlikely, is it 1/3 chance of hitting a pair on the flop???).

You didn't hit it on the flop but felt at relative ease to push all in on the semi bluff which is never a good thing to do because if you get a call your in bad shape. Also the other guy betting out, out of position, suggests he is of decent strength, because he is clearly putting a stopper bet out, a bet whereby he wants to contain the pot but if you get frisky he may well be obliged to call.

By the way i know i am not as articulate as some of the other posters so if you don't understand anything i said, just ask.

oz_da II
25-09-2008, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
blindsighted

By the way i know i am not as articulate as some of the other posters so if you don't understand anything i said, just ask.

I'd like an explanation or definition of the above "word" please. :D

iamanuplander
25-09-2008, 03:37 PM
haha i don't even know myself :) i take this term to mean Billy overrated AK by being effectively "blinded" by how glamorous people make AK to be when really it's not. I think the rest of what i said makes sense, well hopefully anyway :D

saul1664
25-09-2008, 03:45 PM
The problem with AK is that it's a raising hand, along with AQ, once you raise pre-flop and a flop like that comes down and the other player puts you on AK with the pre-flop raise and he holds any decent PP, you are in lots of trouble, there are so many hands beating you there.

I personally would have folded to his flop bet, you have lots of chips left and your hand is probably not good on this flop, and don't know what pushing all in is meant to achieve, if you want a call, you want to see AQ downwards, which is unlikely, not too sure that a re-raise is the right call either, if he flat calls you have no idea where you are and gives you another big decision on the turn when he bets out again.

saul1664
25-09-2008, 03:49 PM
I think you have also answered your own question here ...

"Ive been playing very agressive and have continuation betted every flop so i cannot for the life of me put him on 77 as i really dont think he bets there. Therefore i put his most likely holding as something like 88 or A high and thinks it may be good so worth a stab."

If he has you noted as aggressive and playing most flops, he definetely can put you on a fairly wide range, therefore JJ on that flop is more or less an instacall.

Billyd
25-09-2008, 03:59 PM
Cheers for the replies. Im still not 100% sure i made the wrong move here, i really think i can get him off 88 and 99. I for the life of me cant put him on jj or even 10 10 as he should obv be raising pre.
Personally i think i was him i would put me on 1010 jj or QQ.


Going to ask annette what she would do

Billyd
25-09-2008, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
, therefore JJ on that flop is more or less an instacall.


im not doubting that for 1 second, but how anyone can put him on JJ is difficult.

se1eagle
25-09-2008, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
Personally i think i was him i would put me on 1010 jj or QQ.


Again I'm no tourney player, but I think the shove looks quite weak. Would you shove QQ+ on that flop? I'd have thought you'd be trying to extract value with a raise to 40k or something. Would you even shove TT when it's unlikely to get called by worse?

Also if he's seen you being really aggressive, his preflop call with JJ makes more sense - he set out to trap you.

Billyd
25-09-2008, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle

Also if he's seen you being really aggressive, his preflop call with JJ makes more sense - he set out to trap you.

????????
Nooooo chance. Not saying what i did was correct but he deserves to be shot for not re-raising with JJ in that position at that time during the tourney.

Just for record he used up his whole time bank making the call and said he very nearly folded.

Billyd
25-09-2008, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Again I'm no tourney player, but I think the shove looks quite weak. Would you shove QQ+ on that flop? I'd have thought you'd be trying to extract value with a raise to 40k or something. Would you even shove TT when it's unlikely to get called by worse?



id be shoving 10 10 all day on the flop. this is a tourney remember, you dont have all day to get chips and the only places worth playing for are the top 3.

se1eagle
25-09-2008, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
????????
Nooooo chance. Not saying what i did was correct but he deserves to be shot for not re-raising with JJ in that position at that time during the tourney.

Just for record he used up his whole time bank making the call and said he very nearly folded.

Maybe he's been reading books by Phil Hellmuth ;)

Paul Romain
25-09-2008, 11:53 PM
final table of the $17k rebuy on FT - second time in three days :)

sitting 2nd

Paul Romain
26-09-2008, 12:17 AM
or i was until AJ sucked out on my AK and made a straight- bumping along 7/8 now

Paul Romain
26-09-2008, 12:29 AM
8th - :(

Chester
26-09-2008, 12:42 AM
Nice (not the 8th obv) but the final tables :p

eaglesrus
26-09-2008, 02:09 PM
Looking forward to the virgin tournament tomorrow. should be a fun day out!
will be wearing my Green APAT tshirt so anyone that wants to say hello should be able to find me!
though i am expecting to be put on Pauls table at some point!

Paul Romain
26-09-2008, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Looking forward to the virgin tournament tomorrow. should be a fun day out!
will be wearing my Green APAT tshirt so anyone that wants to say hello should be able to find me!
though i am expecting to be put on Pauls table at some point!

I'll be getting there about 1pm Tim - I'm hoping they have Sky so we can keep an eye on the Palace match later!

Billyd
26-09-2008, 02:37 PM
any ideas of amount of runners? prize pool etc?

Paul Romain
26-09-2008, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
any ideas of amount of runners? prize pool etc?

210
£30,000

Paul Romain
26-09-2008, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by eaglesrus
Looking forward to the virgin tournament tomorrow. should be a fun day out!
will be wearing my Green APAT tshirt so anyone that wants to say hello should be able to find me!
though i am expecting to be put on Pauls table at some point!

I may wear my WPT Tour Bellagio t-shirt as an intimidatory tactic

saul1664
27-09-2008, 10:12 AM
Tried betfair cash games as were very soft last time I played, if anything the standard is worse, won a mid size pot with two pair, then picked up AA next hand, guy raises to $3 before me, I raise to $7, he 3 bets me to $11, so push him all in. Think it's the classic AA vs KK scenario, he turns over 55. First card out 5, second card out 5, for flopped quads, both have full stacks, he had previously been very passive on the table, god knows what he thought I was betting with.

iamanuplander
28-09-2008, 06:04 PM
betfair is a soft website for cash, but in its softness comes its unpredictability with what the hell the other guy is holding in its hand. Too many a time i have played that site and the range of hands i have put someone on turns out to be something completely different becos they have no idea how to play. With this you can lose a lot of money to donks so you really have to play cautiously at every street and know when to pounce, and value bet hands etc. So i feel your pain saul to losing to those guys.

Anyway people, its sunday night and there is bound to be one of you going well in a tourney right now, or planning your rise to glory later when you do play so speak up cos this thread is dying :) Im about to try and win another holiday at 19.30, 20 runners, 1st place wins the hols worth $10000. Shall i play it like a maniac like before when i did win it? Or was that just stupid and normal tourney strategy should apply? If you have read this far i really do apologise for this thread being too long :D

oz_da II
28-09-2008, 10:18 PM
4th cash in a row with these FTP ironman/rakeback tourneys (out in 70/1000).
Don't really pay much attention (4 tabling Omaha) to them until it gets deep.

What do we do here:

Sitting in about 75th with 101 left (top 99 get paid), short stack of the table, 9 handed (3 very big stacks, 2 of them playing very loose) have about 8BB's. UTG get AKo...

Paul Romain
28-09-2008, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
Anyway people, its sunday night and there is bound to be one of you going well in a tourney right now, or planning your rise to glory later when you do play so speak up

I'm saying nothing yet in case i jinx myself ....

Paul Romain
28-09-2008, 10:26 PM
i just jinxed myself

KK<AQ when well in the money of the 17k rebuy
AT on button shoved into AQ big blind in the final Irish Winter Festival sat when nearly there

In the space of two hands immediately after typing previous message

Am still going well in a major though...although thats blown that now no doubt

Paul Romain
28-09-2008, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II

What do we do here:

Sitting in about 75th with 101 left (top 99 get paid), short stack of the table, 9 handed (3 very big stacks, 2 of them playing very loose) have about 8BB's. UTG get AKo...

do you really need us to tell you?

oz_da II
28-09-2008, 11:21 PM
A have a bad history with AK at the end of tourneys... ;)

Paul Romain
28-09-2008, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Am still going well in a major though...although thats blown that now no doubt

Not too exciting in the end - 29th in the $175k on Microgaming - just over $600 back

Billyd
28-09-2008, 11:50 PM
how did you get on in london?

Paul Romain
29-09-2008, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
how did you get on in london?

You'll wish you hadnt asked lol !

At about 6.50pm I was chip leader - at about 7.15pm I was sitting in my car having just done a passable impression of an escaped lunatic whilst walking from the club swearing to myself all the way.

It's been an horrendous weekend really - probably my worst ever despite feeling I was on top of my game. If it could go wrong it did go wrong - and generally when I was in touching distance of a major score (4 key tournaments with the sickest of beats to go busto in massive hands that would have put me firmly in the driving seat)

I'll do a brief report of the Virgin festival later when I'm in the mood - at the moment I'm still not feeling too cheerful about life

saul1664
29-09-2008, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
betfair is a soft website for cash, but in its softness comes its unpredictability with what the hell the other guy is holding in its hand. Too many a time i have played that site and the range of hands i have put someone on turns out to be something completely different becos they have no idea how to play. With this you can lose a lot of money to donks so you really have to play cautiously at every street and know when to pounce, and value bet hands etc. So i feel your pain saul to losing to those guys.

Anyway people, its sunday night and there is bound to be one of you going well in a tourney right now, or planning your rise to glory later when you do play so speak up cos this thread is dying :) Im about to try and win another holiday at 19.30, 20 runners, 1st place wins the hols worth $10000. Shall i play it like a maniac like before when i did win it? Or was that just stupid and normal tourney strategy should apply? If you have read this far i really do apologise for this thread being too long :D

I actually went into a pot limit game on betfair and was so loose, I didn't actually realise it was a pot limit game for about 20 minutes (lobby doesn't make it clear). Anyway one guy had been raised and betting the pot every hand. So I picked up suited connectors and called the max pre flop call which was $3.50, and hit up and down straight draw. He bets full pot which was $18, which I called, card was a blank but gave me flush draw as well. He bets pot again which is now $50, so I put him all in, didn't put him on much and had 9 outs to the flush and a further 6 to the straight, and river completes the runner runner runner flush for big pot.

Then lost $90 on next hand, got KA, raised max pre-flop and max on flop when K hits, get two callers, next card is an ace, bet max on the turn, one of them calls and is all in, the other guy calls as well. River card is a disaster as its a picture card, to complete a running flop of JQKA. I check (first to act), the other guy bets the pot again for all his stack (about another $120) so I am forced to fold, have to concede he has straight, and then he turns over QA for two pair, but the other guy scoops the pot as he got all his money in with 10 10! and gutshotted the river.

Billyd
29-09-2008, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain

It's been an horrendous weekend really - probably my worst ever despite feeling I was on top of my game. If it could go wrong it did go wrong - and generally when I was in touching distance of a major score (4 key tournaments with the sickest of beats to go busto in massive hands that would have put me firmly in the driving seat)




yeah ive had a horrid couple of weeks, had bad beats all over the place. Ive prob been playing badly too as its put me on tilt so had a few days off. Luckily i got a fairly big win on sun poker to make up for it last night.

saul1664
29-09-2008, 06:38 PM
Just lost a $150 pot on betfair on 0.25/0.50. Fairly loose table, pick up Js As late position. Two callers raise to 1.75, next guy raises to 7.20, all 3 call, I join the pot for value.

Flop comes J 2 4 (two spades). Initial raiser bets $15, I flat call, turn blank. He bets $24 on turn, has another $30 behind him, I push all in, he calls, turns KK, river a blank. He takes the pot down. Was I right to play here or folding at any stage?

Paul Romain
29-09-2008, 10:51 PM
things have looked up a bit with a 3rd place in the 17k on Full tilt this evening for $2.2k - thats got the roll up higher than its been for months! Looks like the graph is beginning to point the right way again despite the weekend disasters :)

se1eagle
30-09-2008, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
Just lost a $150 pot on betfair on 0.25/0.50. Fairly loose table, pick up Js As late position. Two callers raise to 1.75, next guy raises to 7.20, all 3 call, I join the pot for value.

Flop comes J 2 4 (two spades). Initial raiser bets $15, I flat call, turn blank. He bets $24 on turn, has another $30 behind him, I push all in, he calls, turns KK, river a blank. He takes the pot down. Was I right to play here or folding at any stage?

I think if you're going to call a 3-bet preflop with AJs deepstacked in a 4-way pot, you're playing it to make the nut flush or straight as you're likely in trouble with less. As such you need to get as much money as possible in on the flop - it's a dream flop for your hand and you're actually a 51% favourite against KK. As played you can't fold the turn but you can't feel too happy getting the money in.