Online Poker Thread [Archive] - Page 6

saul1664

11-12-2005, 11:42 PM

Reply I got...

Dear Saul,

Thank you for contacting Pacific Poker.

I have received your email and have looked at the tournament in
question.

This is part our fault and part the fault of the member.

An illegal bet is when one of the players does not have enough chips to
cover the blind they are posting. No player may raise the blind. They
can only call the big blind.

After the flop has hit the board then betting will be returned to normal
and the players can then bet as much as they want.

Unfortunately, the software does not give the member the opportunity to
call if they have made an illegal bet - they are just folded from the
game.

So as you can see it is part our fault and part ignorance of the rule on
behalf of the member.

I do apologise for you not being able to capitalise on your pocket kings
and I can appreciate that you may well have progressed further had you
won that pot.

Unfortunately, I can not offer any kind of refund or compensation on
what might have been and especially as you have made a profit from the
tournament already.

All I can say is that at least you will be aware of this rule and once
again my apologies for the inconvenience.

If you require further assistance in this or any other matter, please
feel free to contact us - we are here for you 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week.

So why give me a fecking option to raise then if I'm being called by an illegal bet, who doesn't raise on KK?

stevejfh

14-12-2005, 09:20 AM

It's Wednesday!! Is there a game? And if so, can we wait 'til the football's finished before we get underway, pretty please? :)

Lambeth Palace

14-12-2005, 09:42 AM

I'll be up for a game after the football.

DANCOO

14-12-2005, 09:42 AM

I'm good for a later one.

Micky Droy

14-12-2005, 02:01 PM

What football?

ebyeeckeagle

14-12-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
What football?

Heerenveen v Levski Sofia, 19:45. Didn't you know?
:rolleyes:

Um, actually, what football are people going on about?:confused:

Micky Droy

14-12-2005, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Heerenveen v Levski Sofia, 19:45. Didn't you know?
:rolleyes:

Um, actually, what football are people going on about?:confused:

Strange, I think we've gone back to last week.

So are we having a 9.45pm start tonight then, after most people have watched the 'football'?

stevejfh

14-12-2005, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
What football?

2 live games to choose from tonight. Man Utd, Wigan in the Premiership on Sky & Bolton, Sevilla UEFA Cup tie on Channel 5.

Mat ov CPFC

14-12-2005, 05:48 PM

9.45pm suits me.

DANCOO

14-12-2005, 06:12 PM

21:45 is OK for me.

ebyeeckeagle

14-12-2005, 07:25 PM

Me too. Still don't see the attraction in Man utd game.......unless they lose and Fergie quits. Yeah.

Lambeth Palace

14-12-2005, 08:40 PM

Which table will we be using?

Micky Droy

14-12-2005, 08:41 PM

any - if no other table owners welcome to use bbs4 which i can start

Micky Droy

14-12-2005, 08:42 PM

I've gone into bbs4, welcome to join me there

Lambeth Palace

14-12-2005, 08:42 PM

Mat ov CPFC

14-12-2005, 08:50 PM

Any more for any more ?

Mat ov CPFC

14-12-2005, 08:52 PM

60 seconds to go

KevTheOptimist

14-12-2005, 08:56 PM

damn it, missed the game

saul1664

14-12-2005, 08:57 PM

must be my week for bad beats JJJ beaten by a straight, mid-position in valuable tournament

at least buy in was free

stevejfh

14-12-2005, 09:35 PM

Well played MD.

Lambeth Palace

14-12-2005, 09:36 PM

Almost an amazing comeback at the end there.

Mat ov CPFC

15-12-2005, 07:56 AM

Good game. Bloody lucky to scrap into the money again.

I even went and played a little in the 10c/20c NL holdem rooms but got to cocky after winning initally and ended up $5 down.

Think I will stick to our little Wednesday night games.

saul1664

15-12-2005, 02:14 PM

2304

Originally posted by Mat ov CPFC
Good game. Bloody lucky to scrap into the money again.

I even went and played a little in the 10c/20c NL holdem rooms but got to cocky after winning initally and ended up $5 down.

Think I will stick to our little Wednesday night games.

Best to stay away from cash tables if you are a newcomer, I play (sometimes) 50p/£1 tables, made over £250 in under an hour, you do need a serious lot of experience and bottle when someone calls you in for £80 or £90, best hand I won was about £174, worst I lost £214, so even at these small stakes it's dodgy. Best to mess around in sit and go's first and get a fair sized bankroll so you can sustain losses, as you can't account for someone getting lucky, like in a tournament last night, lost half way through with JJJ against a straight, guy calls me all the way to the river for big stakes, has no hand, needs Q on turn K on river for the straight, hits the Q, he still has nothing, no pair, just chance of a K, I go in $2900 and he calls $2900 for the possibility of getting a K, guess what card comes on the River, K! You can't legislate for that. I must have been big percentage favourite on flop, turn and river and still got beat.

Micky Droy

15-12-2005, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
Best to stay away from cash tables if you are a newcomer, I play (sometimes) 50p/£1 tables, made over £250 in under an hour, you do need a serious lot of experience and bottle when someone calls you in for £80 or £90, best hand I won was about £174, worst I lost £214, so even at these small stakes it's dodgy. Best to mess around in sit and go's first and get a fair sized bankroll so you can sustain losses, as you can't account for someone getting lucky, like in a tournament last night, lost half way through with JJJ against a straight, guy calls me all the way to the river for big stakes, has no hand, needs Q on turn K on river for the straight, hits the Q, he still has nothing, no pair, just chance of a K, I go in $2900 and he calls $2900 for the possibility of getting a K, guess what card comes on the River, K! You can't legislate for that. I must have been big percentage favourite on flop, turn and river and still got beat.

The whole point is that if you play correctly on hands where you will win more than 50 times out of a hundred then over time you will erase the factor of the bad beats, and, barring madness of expensive 'bluffs' you will make money.

Working out those odds requires study - David Sklansky's Theory of Poker, Dan Harrington's book about no limit tournament play and Super System by Doyle Brunson will give you a grounding on position play, pot odds, implied odds, the gap concept, changing pace and value.

Sorry to sound like a jerk but it's hard to make money over time unless you understand (whether through study or talent) those concepts, whether you're agressive or conservative by nature. It;s actually harder online becuase you can;t use the psychology of reads - you have to boil it down to betting patterns, and the variables are greater because there are so many monkeys who think K9 is a good hand.

saul1664

15-12-2005, 10:23 PM

I understand you can think about percentages or odds that you will get a hand (which I do not fully understand) but you have to take into account that you cannot bluff internet players because they will call and raise on any hand regardless which makes it more difficult, understand what you are trying to say though.

Micky Droy

16-12-2005, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
I understand you can think about percentages or odds that you will get a hand (which I do not fully understand) but you have to take into account that you cannot bluff internet players because they will call and raise on any hand regardless which makes it more difficult, understand what you are trying to say though.

About outright bluffs - true, and basically unless you're brilliant or low on chips you should hardly ever just 'bluff', on or offline. Though you can steal blinds, overbet, represent, make randomiser bets, probe bet etc and those moves do pay off sometimes. But loose tables for low stakes it's much more of a crap shoot. Oddly the high stakes games - $5/$10 blind cash games and such also seem to be very loose. $2/$4 tends to be about as sane as they come on Laddies, though you will still get muppets coming in a blazing away with nothing. You just hope to hit a real hand against them and let them hang themselves.

Apart from basic odds the most important thing by far to get a handle on is position.

But Sklansky and Harrington are the way to go.

Now, if I was able to be patience and disciplined enough to follow my own advice I'd much more successful. Playing drunk is the worst thing. I had a good run by being patient, playing classical poker, and was placing in every tourney for a couple of weeks, and in all went about $4000 up. Then I logged on blind drunk and lost $900 in 30 seconds in a cash game. That knocks your confidence and now I have to rebuild my game again. It's that gamblers instinct you have to avoid, that urge to have it all now.

Some of the very best players of course play completely against these theories. A style can be profitable in itself if it;s very rare - everyone else settles on these agreed codes and patterns etc so if you come along and bust those codes it means no one knows what you have. You get a lot more callers and if you play well get a lot more money. But there are only a few players in the world who can do it. Gus Hansen for instance basically committs the number two folly of seeing virtually every flop (number one folly being compulsively calling after the flop)... he;s just good enough (ex-backgammon champ) to be able to play the post-flop game better than his opponents, and he has the advantage that they don't know what he has, because his pre-flop call is no indicator of the cards.

As Leonard Cohen sang

"And then sweeping up the jokers that he left behind

you find he did not leave you very much

not even laughter

Like any dealer he was watching for the card

that is so high and wild

he’ll never need to deal another

He was just some Joseph looking for a manger

You hate to watch another tired man

lay down his hand

like he was giving up the holy game of poker

And while he talks his dreams to sleep

you notice there’s a highway

that is curling up like smoke above his shoulder

It’s curling up like smoke above his shoulder."

Micky Droy

16-12-2005, 09:30 AM

Attched is a small program with no spyware that calculates odds for you.

Then you need to take into account pot odds and position.

Simple pot odds are

The percentage chance you have to hit the winning hand

vs.

The precentage of the pot you have to call to see the next card.

So if you have A10 diamonds and the flop comes kD, 9H, 2D you think if you hit the diamond flush you are going to win. The odds of you hitting it on the turn are 9 in 47, so roughly 1 in five.

You have to call £1 to see the card and it would make the pot £9.

So your hand odds are 1 in 5 and your calling costs are 1 in 9. This means that every 5 times you make this bet you will win once, taking £9, and you will lose 4 times, losing £4. So the play is profitable.

BUT you have to consider too what might happen on the fifth card, should you not make your hand on the fourth, and generally how the hand might go after your bet, and thus whether you should in fact raise rather than call (implied odds operate here, ie projected possible, rather than actual odds)

AND you have to consider how many people behind you are still to play (position), and how they've bet in earlier hands.

AND of course your own chip stack in relation to others, and the stage in the tourney etc.

Micky Droy

16-12-2005, 09:32 AM

oops attached here

Strathclyde Eagle

16-12-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
Gus Hansen for instance basically committs the number two folly of seeing virtually every flop (number one folly being compulsively calling after the flop)... he;s just good enough (ex-backgammon champ) to be able to play the post-flop game better than his opponents, and he has the advantage that they don't know what he has, because his pre-flop call is no indicator of the cards.
I didn't use to think Gus Hansen was lucky, but seeing a hand from the other night on Challenge made me think a bit differently. Howard Lederer raised with pocket Kings, Gus called with 9-7os. The flop was 733, Howard raised all-in. Gus called and then managed to get a third 7 on the turn. Jammy on that occasion.

Can't say I think much of Devilfish calling everyone who knocks him out of a tournament "lucky" either.

Funk Butter

16-12-2005, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
oops attached here
Here is a similar (http://twodimes.net/poker/) thing, only web based.

Son of Selhurst

21-12-2005, 07:41 PM

Anything tonight?

saul1664

21-12-2005, 10:39 PM

Don't know if you played tongight but two stories

1. Ladbrokes racehorse, a few nice hands $26000 and pot leader but no good hands after, get caught up by others make it to $41000 but soon after its over, whats the best way to play big hands, dropped most hands being well stacked, when I went in always seemed to lose, biggest problem for me

2. Then went in a $1 competition. Okay slightly lucky to be in top 10, went all in 10 10 and hit another 10 on the river beating KK AA (what's the odds for that in a flop), anyway in second place, thinking at least 2nd prize of $140, get the big blind (at this stage $10,000), have 45 so I check as its free 45 comes out, only 1 player in so I go $30K to scare him off, calls me all the way, turns he had nothing but amazingly wins all my $114,000 pot because he hits 6 on river and wins with two pair 6 & 4 so I end with $15 instead of $140/$230. Now should I have folded on a bad pair 4 & 5's, or played it knowing I was favourite? Or am I unlucky this time, or is it a basic poker fault.

oz_da II

22-12-2005, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
2. Then went in a $1 competition. Okay slightly lucky to be in top 10, went all in 10 10 and hit another 10 on the river beating KK AA (what's the odds for that in a flop), anyway in second place, thinking at least 2nd prize of $140, get the big blind (at this stage $10,000), have 45 so I check as its free 45 comes out, only 1 player in so I go $30K to scare him off, calls me all the way, turns he had nothing but amazingly wins all my $114,000 pot because he hits 6 on river and wins with two pair 6 & 4 so I end with $15 instead of $140/$230. Now should I have folded on a bad pair 4 & 5's, or played it knowing I was favourite? Or am I unlucky this time, or is it a basic poker fault.

You were on about 16% to win that initial hand, saul.

Can't see you doing much wrong in that second hand, with the hand he appears to have had he really had no business calling you all the way. Possibly chasing a straight or a flush? You were just unlucky.

Lucky in the first hand, unlucky in the second hand.

saul1664

22-12-2005, 01:14 AM

yeah aware lucky first hand, so not too bothered, 10 10 is a fair hand to play/knock people out. I tend to play 10 10 JJ QQ KK AA aggressively because they are only as good as 22 if something comes up on the flop. Played 4.50 tournament today and don't think I did much wrong at all made final table and got 3rd and got 117, no mistakes at all, just outplayed/didn't get very good cards end game but can't complain. $200 up in 2 days. Nice.

saul1664

22-12-2005, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by oz_da II
You were on about 16% to win that initial hand, saul.

Can't see you doing much wrong in that second hand, with the hand he appears to have had he really had no business calling you all the way. Possibly chasing a straight or a flush? You were just unlucky.

Lucky in the first hand, unlucky in the second hand.

Aware didn't do much wrong, but is it better to wait for a decent hand (bearing in mind 10 on table, blinds are 10K, you won't get too many chances?)

oz_da II

22-12-2005, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
Aware didn't do much wrong, but is it better to wait for a decent hand (bearing in mind 10 on table, blinds are 10K, you won't get too many chances?)

Two pair is a pretty decent hand when heads up.
I would have done the same.

What was the other card on the flop?
Because he was just calling you, you could assume he was chasing something, so you were right to assume you were in front.

saul1664

22-12-2005, 03:10 AM

don't remember, all card were low, his 6 to make a winning 6644 against 4455 came on river

Micky Droy

22-12-2005, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
don't remember, all card were low, his 6 to make a winning 6644 against 4455 came on river

He need a 6 to beat you. There were three left out of forty-eight cards (actually forty-six as you know you didn't have a 6 either, but that's moot as we'll look at it from his POV).

So he had a one in sixteen chance. That's a very bad beat for you. (unless th eother cards gave him eg a straight draw as well)

You weren't to know what he had. His play wasn't totally crazy, as he did hit a pair and might have gambled that the other low cards missed your hand. It was still pretty mad though.

BUT - were your bets big enough to give him bad pot odds once he;d made the initial 30k call?

When you get the two pair late on it's often wise to make a big bet early. He called you so either your two pair is good or he;s trapping you and has hit a monster like 444 or a low straight. Either way you;re going to end up putting all your money into this pot, so best to do it early when the big bet can give him bad pot odds and make him fold.

Son of Selhurst

22-12-2005, 11:53 AM

Too many online people chase too many long-shots and win with them for my liking these days. The odds don't match.

And so many boards have four to a straight or flush it's unreal. People hang in with 10 3 os and the like, and see A 2 4 5 on the board. Happens a lot when AA is out as well.

saul1664

22-12-2005, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
He need a 6 to beat you. There were three left out of forty-eight cards (actually forty-six as you know you didn't have a 6 either, but that's moot as we'll look at it from his POV).

So he had a one in sixteen chance. That's a very bad beat for you. (unless th eother cards gave him eg a straight draw as well)

You weren't to know what he had. His play wasn't totally crazy, as he did hit a pair and might have gambled that the other low cards missed your hand. It was still pretty mad though.

BUT - were your bets big enough to give him bad pot odds once he;d made the initial 30k call?

When you get the two pair late on it's often wise to make a big bet early. He called you so either your two pair is good or he;s trapping you and has hit a monster like 444 or a low straight. Either way you;re going to end up putting all your money into this pot, so best to do it early when the big bet can give him bad pot odds and make him fold.

Raised 30K (3x blinds) but should have been enough to put him off, obviously one of these people that doesn't fold no matter what, some nutter in ring game last night raising $50 (real money) on hands like 27 58 69 (didn't last long)

AddiscombeEagle

23-12-2005, 01:15 PM

What does it mean when someone says "tilt" when you are playing online?

Strathclyde Eagle

23-12-2005, 02:00 PM

It means someone is losing big time, playing very badly.

AddiscombeEagle

23-12-2005, 02:06 PM

Got you, thanks.

stevejfh

23-12-2005, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by AddiscombeEagle
What does it mean when someone says "tilt" when you are playing online?

My understanding of it, is that if you lose a big pot & allow it to affect your decision making in the hands immediately after it (perhaps by being more agressive in an attempt to get the lost chips back?), you're on tilt.

Micky Droy

23-12-2005, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
Too many online people chase too many long-shots and win with them for my liking these days. The odds don't match.

And so many boards have four to a straight or flush it's unreal. People hang in with 10 3 os and the like, and see A 2 4 5 on the board. Happens a lot when AA is out as well.

That's just because you see a lot of hands go by, much more than in live (face to face) poker. Also, people tend to stay in more, so they hit more draws.

Live most hands won;t go to the river, and you will usually not see anyone's cards.

DANCOO

01-01-2006, 12:13 AM

A question for Funk Butter...or anyone who is able to answer it.

When playing in tournaments where you have had to pay a large sum to enter ( won in your case Funk, but there would have been payers ), do you still get absolute ••••••• morons who just chuck all their chips in on pathetic hole cards, in a vain attempt to steal the blinds, or do people tend to be a bit more conservative when risking all their chips?

Son of Selhurst

01-01-2006, 01:26 AM

yes

DANCOO

01-01-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
yes

I'm talking maybe £1,000+ entry?

aj4england

01-01-2006, 03:08 PM

one of my mates dad used to be a chemist. he gave that up and now plays bridge on the internet and earns his living form that. he also writes about his sucess in the indian times :eek:

Reps AJ

01-01-2006, 03:41 PM

Today I've decided to learn Omaha Hi\Lo.... its bonkers!

KevTheOptimist

01-01-2006, 03:59 PM

Omaha HI/Lo is stupid IMHO. I hate the way you have to declare whether you are trying to win the hi pot or low pot or both at the end. Not sure if it's like this online as well

Reps AJ

01-01-2006, 04:03 PM

No, it seems to handle that for you.

Just playing for play money and they're doing my head in, keep reraising all the ••••••• time - its not real, get over it!

Funk Butter

02-01-2006, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
A question for Funk Butter...or anyone who is able to answer it.

When playing in tournaments where you have had to pay a large sum to enter ( won in your case Funk, but there would have been payers ), do you still get absolute ••••••• morons who just chuck all their chips in on pathetic hole cards, in a vain attempt to steal the blinds, or do people tend to be a bit more conservative when risking all their chips?
I can tell you that people at the WSOP were much more conservative than online tourneys I played in. (probably due to the $10k buy-in. :D ) Still saw some strange stuff a couple of times, just not as much.

oz_da II

03-01-2006, 03:14 AM

How's this for a ridiculoulsy bad beat.
I play every Thursday night at the cricket club.
10 players, $20 each, 100 chips.

About 90 mins in, blinds up to 5/10. I'm small blind. Sitting on roughly 100 chips. I receive pocket 4's. 4 or 5 players limp in. My chance to grab some chips. I raise 40, big blind on roughly the same amount of chips as myself, suprisingly calls (quite a tight player), everyone else folds.

The flop - 3h 4c 6d

Trip fours! Time to take the large pot. With him calling my raise, I'm thinking the only thing that he might have that would beat me is pocket 6's. I go all in, he calls!

Flip them over and he shows 2c 5d!!!!! Straight!!!!

Unbelievable, I still had a few outs with a possible full house but nothing eventuated.

Out. Wasn't happy. :veryangry

DANCOO

03-01-2006, 08:20 AM

Firstly, is anyone up for a game tomorrow?

Secondly, what's the reckoning on upping the entry to $10?

saul1664

03-01-2006, 11:39 AM

234a

Originally posted by oz_da II
How's this for a ridiculoulsy bad beat.
I play every Thursday night at the cricket club.
10 players, $20 each, 100 chips.

About 90 mins in, blinds up to 5/10. I'm small blind. Sitting on roughly 100 chips. I receive pocket 4's. 4 or 5 players limp in. My chance to grab some chips. I raise 40, big blind on roughly the same amount of chips as myself, suprisingly calls (quite a tight player), everyone else folds.

The flop - 3h 4c 6d

Trip fours! Time to take the large pot. With him calling my raise, I'm thinking the only thing that he might have that would beat me is pocket 6's. I go all in, he calls!

Flip them over and he shows 2c 5d!!!!! Straight!!!!

Unbelievable, I still had a few outs with a possible full house but nothing eventuated.

Out. Wasn't happy. :veryangry

I delivered one and got done by a bad one (worse then this). 5Q, two more 5's on flop, Q on turn, got the nuts I think, everybody out apart from one who calls me all the way down the river, about to put a relatively big stack £100+ in, something stops me so re-raised his £20 with my £40, fecker gets full house Queens over fives beating my fives full house over Queens.

Balanced out by beating three Jacks with three Kings, both from pocket paired start, got a load of abuse from this bloke I beat, about how I wasn't favourite and how lucky I was, anyway he stays in and goes heavy on a pair of 9s, I have several outs, straight and flush which don't materialise but hit two pair on the river, no 9's in pot so took his money again, he got so ••••ed off he left the room. Made me laugh.

Also hit a straight beating pocket Kings, got raised £5 decided to take the risk, straight came out on turn, raised and re-raised, won the pot, again moaned at that I was lucky and wouldn't last long, 10 minutes later I leave the room £90 up after 4 killer hands.

Unfortunately have no computer access at moment so my profits are sitting in betfair doing absolutely nothing.

Strathclyde Eagle

03-01-2006, 12:29 PM

oz_da II

03-01-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Can't believe he called a raise pre-flop with 25os. Did he have a larger than average stack (i.e. could he afford to take a chance on hitting such a long-shot?).

He had about the same amount of chips as me.
Been playing poker with him for about a year, he never does stuff like that.

I'll be getting my revenge next Thursday night. ;)

Micky Droy

03-01-2006, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by oz_da II
How's this for a ridiculoulsy bad beat.
I play every Thursday night at the cricket club.
10 players, $20 each, 100 chips.

About 90 mins in, blinds up to 5/10. I'm small blind. Sitting on roughly 100 chips. I receive pocket 4's. 4 or 5 players limp in. My chance to grab some chips. I raise 40, big blind on roughly the same amount of chips as myself, suprisingly calls (quite a tight player), everyone else folds.

The flop - 3h 4c 6d

Trip fours! Time to take the large pot. With him calling my raise, I'm thinking the only thing that he might have that would beat me is pocket 6's. I go all in, he calls!

Flip them over and he shows 2c 5d!!!!! Straight!!!!

Unbelievable, I still had a few outs with a possible full house but nothing eventuated.

Out. Wasn't happy. :veryangry

i think you played it badly and he played it well :)

let's have a look at why...

You have pocket fours. Four or five players limp in. This is not the chance to win some chips by raising pre-flrop. It;s the chance to win lots of chips by seeing a cheap flop with lots of players and hoping to hit your set. What's the point of raising here? If you think the crowd out you can still only bet after the flop if you hit a four. So you want lots of limpers in when your four hits. And if a four doesn;t come you;re out unless you have a read on a raiser. In short, you have NO BUSINESS RAISING HERE.

No the guy with 25... say there's five limpers plus you and one of them is him. That's five times 10 = 50 plus your raise of 40 = 90. He has to call 40 to see a pot of, then, 130. Hell, others muight come in too and improve his implied odds. Also, if they're in they probably have high cards leaving the low hits to him. In short, he threw in a few chips to have a look (you don't say the stack size which is important). It might have ebven been a randomiser bet - hell why not mix it up, no one's showing great strength.

And he hit a lucky straight. But you made it easy for him to pick up all your chips by going all in. You were always going to lose money to him once he'd seen the flop, but you didn't have to lose them all - 90 minutes in but how many players left? The blinds were low still, so lots of people left? Was this worth all your chips?

So, you shouldn;t have raised, and then you shouldn;t have gone all in, IMO, and he risked 40 chips for a potential multi way flop, and own all your chips - he played it well.

EDIT - sorry - you DO say some of the above info and it;s in your favoyur- I misread. Still, I query the raise and the all in move.

DANCOO

04-01-2006, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
i think you played it badly and he played it well :)

let's have a look at why...

You have pocket fours. Four or five players limp in. This is not the chance to win some chips by raising pre-flrop. It;s the chance to win lots of chips by seeing a cheap flop with lots of players and hoping to hit your set. What's the point of raising here? If you think the crowd out you can still only bet after the flop if you hit a four. So you want lots of limpers in when your four hits. And if a four doesn;t come you;re out unless you have a read on a raiser. In short, you have NO BUSINESS RAISING HERE.

No the guy with 25... say there's five limpers plus you and one of them is him. That's five times 10 = 50 plus your raise of 40 = 90. He has to call 40 to see a pot of, then, 130. Hell, others muight come in too and improve his implied odds. Also, if they're in they probably have high cards leaving the low hits to him. In short, he threw in a few chips to have a look (you don't say the stack size which is important). It might have ebven been a randomiser bet - hell why not mix it up, no one's showing great strength.

And he hit a lucky straight. But you made it easy for him to pick up all your chips by going all in. You were always going to lose money to him once he'd seen the flop, but you didn't have to lose them all - 90 minutes in but how many players left? The blinds were low still, so lots of people left? Was this worth all your chips?

So, you shouldn;t have raised, and then you shouldn;t have gone all in, IMO, and he risked 40 chips for a potential multi way flop, and own all your chips - he played it well.

EDIT - sorry - you DO say some of the above info and it;s in your favoyur- I misread. Still, I query the raise and the all in move.

Sorry, what I have written makes absoloutly non sense at all./

PoolKing

04-01-2006, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
i think you played it badly and he played it well :)

let's have a look at why...

In short, you have NO BUSINESS RAISING HERE.

I agree. The original poster said that he had 100 chips and blinds were 5/10 so he only has 10x the big blind. A lot of people say that if you have 10x bb or less then the only raise you can make is all-in. Raising 40 is really a nothing play, it is pointless, others will call and unless the 4 comes you are unlikely to want to move in and you are left with 60....this is pointless though as if you had just limped in you would have 90 chips to play with.

So the only raise is all-in if you want to raise, though 4 4 is weak and you are only just above 50/50 against 2 overcards. The move is to call and if you hit then move in and if not fold and get out. As it was you did hit but were just unlucky, it is the way it goes.

Micky Droy

04-01-2006, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by PoolKing
I agree. The original poster said that he had 100 chips and blinds were 5/10 so he only has 10x the big blind. A lot of people say that if you have 10x bb or less then the only raise you can make is all-in. Raising 40 is really a nothing play, it is pointless, others will call and unless the 4 comes you are unlikely to want to move in and you are left with 60....this is pointless though as if you had just limped in you would have 90 chips to play with.

So the only raise is all-in if you want to raise, though 4 4 is weak and you are only just above 50/50 against 2 overcards. The move is to call and if you hit then move in and if not fold and get out. As it was you did hit but were just unlucky, it is the way it goes.

:p

Great site by the way.

oz_da II

04-01-2006, 12:30 AM

I can see your point regarding winning a big pot by hitting the four.

My thoughts were to steal the big blind and win the pot pre-flop (50 chips), I was confident nobody had anything and knew the guy on the big blind only calls large raises when he has something (or so I thought).

His call was for roughly half his chips. A big call when he knows, at very best, he is second best. He had 80-odd chips. I would have folded no questions.

After the flop I had him on a high pair at best, I didn't even ponder him having a straight as he never calls large raises with hands like 2-5. So with forty chips left I figured I might as well scare him off now and not give him a chance to hit whatever he needed. Even if he does call is high pair, I still like my chances. I was 99% sure I was in front. As stated earlier the only thing I would have had a slight worry about was pocket 6's.

Micky Droy

04-01-2006, 12:57 AM

Yeah, it's easy to pick the play apart afterwards. I've been busting out to some idiot plays myself recently. These are the hyper aggressive wons that owill work for me 60 percent of the time but you ride the wave and it will crash on you. Just stupid really.

So I've gone from finishing in the money most times to busting out in a blaze of ill gotten unglory. Silly silly. It;s jut patience and discipline - the other day I was up against someone and I put them on KK in the hole - I had A Q. Flop came with an ace, i bet, he called, king came - I KNEW in my gut he had the 2 kings, and I still bet it. Silly silly - to read well online and then ignore that read is just ultra dumb.

citizen sane

04-01-2006, 01:05 AM

Thats an interesting site Poolking :)

Do you have a specific strategy when playing tournies as opposed to bread and butter cash games ?

PoolKing

04-01-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
Thats an interesting site Poolking :)

Do you have a specific strategy when playing tournies as opposed to bread and butter cash games ?

Thanks, I haven't been updating it a lot lately but am going to start writing it again with hand histories for big wins and losses so it should be more insightful.

Regarding your question, I used to think of myself as a better cash game player but in the 2nd half of 2005 over 50% of my profits came from tournaments which surprised me. However I did focus on them a lot more so perhaps that is why I saw my results improve dramatically from october onwards.

I definitely play a lot different in both games, in cash I generally play a lot more loose and more riskily, aying a lot more hands though this is partly due to the fact that I only ever play 6 seater tables. In tournaments I play a lot less hands and have learnt to be very patient, too many people panic when they are low on chips and move in with a weak hand out of position.

I would say noticeable things that have improved my tournament results are: playing tight at first but loosening and applying pressure to steal blinds at the latter stages. Also, I think when I play either AK or low/medium pocket pair. Generally, I find that most people overplay these sets of hands and remember that AK is a drawing hand (even though it is strong) and that a pocket pair is only marginal favourite against any two overcards. I usually play AK as the aggressor, if I am to go all-in with it I will move first, I am very weary about calling with AK for all my chips. The other thing is not too panic if you are near the bottom end.... I tend not to get desperate until I am around 40% of the average stack. Apart from that, just play each hand at a time and try and use logic, e.g if a short stack limps before you and you have a hand like AT.....you are likely to be ahead as if the short stack had AK, AQ or AJ they usually would move all-in, so in such a situation I would go over the top of them. Also, I will never move in for all my chips if I am a shortstack with less than A high or pocket pair unless I have to or I am 99% confident I won't be called...so I will try not to go in with KJ or KQ, KT or other weak hands.

In cash games I am looser and genreally play more marginal hands like KJ or Ax which I do not often play in tournament play. Also if I go from $200 to $50 in a cash room it is not a mjor problem as I can just reload so I will make calls/moves more easily I guess as I trust my instincts and if I am wrong can reload. In a tournament however I may not make the same calls a 75% decrease in chips is hard to come back from.

christopher

04-01-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
Thats an interesting site Poolking :)

Agree. Makes for an interesting read.

Son of Selhurst

04-01-2006, 02:47 PM

Online poker sites are fixed.

citizen sane

04-01-2006, 03:39 PM

237e

Originally posted by PoolKing

Regarding your question,

An excellent and informative post :p

Interesting to hear how you play AK and medium PP's . I tend overplay these hands at times , which has led to disaster more than once .

One other question i have is , in the early rounds of tournaments I've found that a 4x the BB raise is not enough to scare a lot of people away who have marginal hands , so i will generally make much larger raises with premium hands to stop my AA , KK's being run down by a Q-9 for example . This of course affects the action i get , but I'm struggling to find a compromise where i can maximise these monster hands and minimise the bad beats .

Any suggestions ?

citizen sane

04-01-2006, 03:48 PM

Odd thing happened earlier in the week in a tournament . I was sitting at a very loose table when i was dealt KK , the person in front went all-in for about 800 chips , i called ( about 30% ) of my stack . Then the person following went all in for about 4000 chips and the BB followed ...I was stuck then so went all in as well .

Cards were turned over , player who went all in first had QJ . Excellent ! then the one after me had KK as well !! but the BB had pocket Aces :eek: The aces won . But I'd never seen anything like that at a table before

Strathclyde Eagle

04-01-2006, 03:54 PM

I've had worse. Got KK early in a tournament and raised. Flop came all Aces! One of the four callers went all-in. Did he have the 4th Ace or not? I called, and he did have the 4th ace. :bash:

Also calling was another player behind me with pocket 5s. :eek:

For all you hear about aggression being the name of the game sometimes caution is prudent.

citizen sane

04-01-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I've had worse. Got KK early in a tournament and raised. Flop came all Aces! One of the four callers went all-in. Did he have the 4th Ace or not? I called, and he did have the 4th ace. :bash:

Also calling was another player behind me with pocket 5s. :eek:

For all you hear about aggression being the name of the game sometimes caution is prudent.

Thats harsh . Normally i would think thats a bluff or someone going all-in with a PP in that situation .

PoolKing

04-01-2006, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
One other question i have is , in the early rounds of tournaments I've found that a 4x the BB raise is not enough to scare a lot of people away who have marginal hands , so i will generally make much larger raises with premium hands to stop my AA , KK's being run down by a Q-9 for example . This of course affects the action i get , but I'm struggling to find a compromise where i can maximise these monster hands and minimise the bad beats .

Any suggestions ?

I consider two things early on in a tournament when I raise a hand. Firstly how many people have acted before me and then how many people do I want to be up against after the flop as early on in tournaments most of the betting takes place post-flop. Even with a hand such as AA or KK you don't want to be up against too many other hands as there is more chance of getting outdrawn and one thing I always try not to do is a minor raise that leads into a sort of 'snowball' calling, where everyone to act decides it is worth their while to be in the pot.

In the tournaments I play (all multi-table) the blinds start at 10/20 and each player starts with 1500 so the starting pot is 30...at these stages I tend to make raises of 90 and 120, even more if I am near last to act and loads have limped in. See the flop as a time to get the right number of opponents and create a decent pot worth playing for and be more aggressive and bet the flop hard if necessary.

In the early stages, the blinds are so low that you do not have to get attached to hands (even if they are attractive preflop like AA), you are unlikely to be pot-commited and can escape from hands with a good stack still intact. Also, in the early stages there are likely to be poor players playing junk, so if you know you have been outdrawn don't get glued to a big pocket pair if you know deep down the flop has caused you to be beat.

I don't know if what I have typed is any help but basically, raise appropriately to get the right number of opponents and to force out as much callers of junk as possible and don't be scared of throwing away a hand if necessary.....A common panic move I see online is the raise with AK preflop followed by a sudden all-in move after the flop is low cards, an example of poor play and an unwillingness to accept that a big hand preflop is not a guarantee to be strong after the flop.

Funk Butter

04-01-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
An excellent and informative post :p

Interesting to hear how you play AK and medium PP's . I tend overplay these hands at times , which has led to disaster more than once .

One other question i have is , in the early rounds of tournaments I've found that a 4x the BB raise is not enough to scare a lot of people away who have marginal hands , so i will generally make much larger raises with premium hands to stop my AA , KK's being run down by a Q-9 for example . This of course affects the action i get , but I'm struggling to find a compromise where i can maximise these monster hands and minimise the bad beats .

Any suggestions ?
You also need to stop looking to bet based on the blinds. Since you often have limpers ahead of you early on, bet based on the pot. A 4xBB raise will be nothing to call if you've already had a few limpers. One thing I tend to do (if I'm lucky enough) is go all-in pre-flop on the first hand if I'm dealt AA. You'll get called more often than not by at least one person who thinks you are just a crazy maniac. I've even been called by 3 other people before. (managed to win that one)

citizen sane

06-01-2006, 02:00 PM

Cheers for the suggestions lads :p

Need to have an overhaul of strategy i think - I'm probably way to aggressive with my betting at times .

ebyeeckeagle

06-01-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by PoolKing
.....A common panic move I see online is the raise with AK preflop followed by a sudden all-in move after the flop is low cards, an example of poor play and an unwillingness to accept that a big hand preflop is not a guarantee to be strong after the flop.

Guilty as charged. Excellant posts here - thanks.

DANCOO

06-01-2006, 06:47 PM

CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY

I just entered a satellite tourney, but one which was not like I had assumed.
It was an $11 buy-in, 100 chips, 1 minute blinds, 10 seconds to act.
I had no idea the way this tourney worked, everyone just timing out their 10 seconds and auto-folding on purpose.
10 places available to go on to the GTD $40,000 + $100 re-buy buy-in.
Anyway, three consecutive times when I was just about to get forced to bet when the ridiculous blinds came up to me ( in about 60th, 40th and 25th positions ), I get moved to a different table, and every time I was put right in front of the button meaning I just sat there and did pretty much nothing but watch everyone else getting knocked out, and me timing out my hand. Brilliant.
I finished in 4th place and will be starting the $40,000 tourney in about 15 minutes.

:lux: :lux: :lux:

Wish me luck!!!

BTW, never been in a re-buy tourney before. I won't be re-buying, but how does it exactly work - Unlimited re-buys for the first hour, and one add-on at the break. What is the 'add-on' bit?

DANCOO

06-01-2006, 06:50 PM

Where the f*ck is everyone when you need them?:grrr:

Strathclyde Eagle

06-01-2006, 08:01 PM

I think it means more people going all-in because they can just "re-buy" in and still win the tournament. Makes the prize money higher.

I've heard some people say that rebuys become like bingo because of the amount of people calling. :rolleyes:

DANCOO

06-01-2006, 08:42 PM

WHAT A FU*KING IDIOT :bash: :bash: :bash:

DANCOO

06-01-2006, 08:47 PM

250 starters, at one point I'm 182 out of 190.

Work my arse off to get up to about 60 out of 100, and then raise all-in against an early medium bet. He calls, my 88 doesn't stand up to his KK and I go out in about 101st.
I didn't really need to do it. I had about 5,500 chips, blinds were 150/300, so had plenty of time to make my way up the ladder.
Slight consolation ( and I mean slight ), is that I think the flop was something like 2,5,7 ( or similar ), and I probably would gone for it anyway.

IDIOT :bash: :bash: :bash:

Strathclyde Eagle

06-01-2006, 08:47 PM

What happened?

DANCOO

06-01-2006, 08:48 PM

Reply to S_E

Originally posted by DANCOO
250 starters, at one point I'm 182 out of 190.

Work my arse off to get up to about 60 out of 100, and then raise all-in against an early medium bet. He calls, my 88 doesn't stand up to his KK and I go out in about 101st.
I didn't really need to do it. I had about 5,500 chips, blinds were 150/300, so had plenty of time to make my way up the ladder.
Slight consolation ( and I mean slight ), is that I think the flop was something like 2,5,7 ( or similar ), and I probably would gone for it anyway.

IDIOT :bash: :bash: :bash:

Strathclyde Eagle

06-01-2006, 08:55 PM

Must have posted at about the same time you did, sorry about that.

I'd like to say something about that play, but can't really. The thing is that if they're raising in early/medium position they should have something like KK. Did your opponent seem like a particularly loose player or something?

DANCOO

06-01-2006, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Must have posted at about the same time you did, sorry about that.

I'd like to say something about that play, but can't really. The thing is that if they're raising in early/medium position they should have something like KK. Did your opponent seem like a particularly loose player or something?

He had made a fair few raises for various positions.

I think he was maybe second to act. Small blind, big blind, next folded, then he bet. Would have thought with KK, from that position and with no action in front of him, he may have just called and hoped for someone after him to raise, so he could re-raise ( there was a lot of raising on that particular table ). I figured he had a good ace, or maybe a mid pair, either of which he may not have called an all-in raise with ( I wanted him to fold ).

Can't believe I was so impatient considering I was down to 500 chips early on and really picked my hands well to get right back into it.

Still, I will consider it a lesson learnt and will not make a similar mistake again.

I've never been so disappointed to go out of a tournament thus far, it was such a stupid way to go out.

citizen sane

07-01-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO

I didn't really need to do it. I had about 5,500 chips, blinds were 150/300, so had plenty of time to make my way up the ladder.

I've done this - more than once as well :bash:

Its usually after I've played a good solid game for 1 to 2 hours as well , which makes it even harder to understand .

saul1664

08-01-2006, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
I've done this - more than once as well :bash:

Its usually after I've played a good solid game for 1 to 2 hours as well , which makes it even harder to understand .

Tiredness and distracted by a 5 minute recess always seems to do it, seem to lose concentration for some reason after 2nd break after 2 hours in, including when clear chip leader to win a horse, not that many left, went to pieces after 2nd break and lost all my stack in about 5 minutes, that and getting phone calls mid game just seems to do my head in.

oz_da II

09-01-2006, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
that and getting phone calls mid game just seems to do my head in.

Turn your phone off? ;)

How's this? I play a tournament (8-12 players, $20) every Thursday night for about six months now. Played just under 30 times.
I've come 2nd twelve times without winning. :clown:

First couple times I was a bit clueless at heads up.
Twice I've had players "escape" on the river.
Often I've limped in with a very low percentage of chips.
Played poorly last week had 70% of the chips at the start of heads up.

One could say I'm getting a bit of a reputation....

:(

DANCOO

09-01-2006, 02:44 PM

OPEN QUESTION :

Are you a winning poker player?

citizen sane

09-01-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
OPEN QUESTION :

Are you a winning poker player?

Not as much as I'd like to be - why do you ask ?

DANCOO

09-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
Not as much as I'd like to be - why do you ask ?

Just wondering if people know whether they are up or down overall.
The amount of players I've been up against recently, they give it all the talk, but all I ever see them do is re-load...re-load...re-load.
They might reload $100 three times, and on their most recent $100 they get up to $250 and seem to think they are actually winning.

In gambling over the last 15 years, I am down tens of thousands of pounds, but poker seems to be the one that I am actually doing well at - and by that I mean overall I am up, be it a few hundred dollars.

Curious to know how everyone else does, and if they really know if they are up or not.

citizen sane

09-01-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO

Curious to know how everyone else does, and if they really know if they are up or not.

I keep records of all my betting activities . At the end of last year i was about £115 up for the whole year . This was largely due to winning $1700 & $1250 in two tournaments , otherwise i would have been well down .

PalaceMonkey

09-01-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO

In gambling over the last 15 years, I am down tens of thousands of pounds, ]

flippin eck Tucker :eek:

DANCOO

09-01-2006, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by PalaceMonkey
flippin eck Tucker :eek:

I know :(

Still, I'm hoping I can make it all back by playing poker. :)

BringBackSasa

09-01-2006, 03:51 PM

Funny you should ask.

Last night, I finally had the courage to trawl my account history on Laddies. Only because I'd just finished 7th in a 90K gtd tourney. I've worked out that since I started playing about three months ago, I've earned almost exactly the same amount I would have earned in my previous job. I don't know if I've just been lucky, or if God is telling me not to go back to work quite yet. I mean, who can argue with God?

But yeah, kids, gambling is wrong. Unless God loves you.

WorthingEagle

09-01-2006, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
OPEN QUESTION :

Are you a winning poker player?

Yes. I don't do any other form of gambling, as poker is the only game that is fair. If you're good, you win in the long run.

I'm about $3,000 up in 18 months of play. :p

Reps AJ

09-01-2006, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
OPEN QUESTION :

Are you a winning poker player?

No :sob: :sob:

I started out okay, but I'm getting worse and worse in terms of actually winning any money and I'm not sure whats going wrong!

But on the other hand, I'm only playing for a laugh and don't play for massive amounts

Lambeth Palace

09-01-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
OPEN QUESTION :

Are you a winning poker player?

No, I always seem to be up or down by around £100. I know this because I am sad enough to keep a spreadsheet. Having said that this weekend I came 7 and 3 in two tournaments so I'm currently about £100 up. It's the cash tables that do me in, I should stick to tournaments.:bash:

stevejfh

09-01-2006, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
OPEN QUESTION :

Are you a winning poker player?

Yes. Started keeping records mid-way through November, after taking the game up roughly 4 months prior to that. Ledger currently a shade below £750 in profit. Winning $1250 (£715) in a free-roll for regular players on BetFred is largely responsible.

saul1664

09-01-2006, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by oz_da II
Turn your phone off? ;)

How's this? I play a tournament (8-12 players, $20) every Thursday night for about six months now. Played just under 30 times.
I've come 2nd twelve times without winning. :clown:

First couple times I was a bit clueless at heads up.
Twice I've had players "escape" on the river.
Often I've limped in with a very low percentage of chips.
Played poorly last week had 70% of the chips at the start of heads up.

One could say I'm getting a bit of a reputation....

:(

never really done well at heads up, but best tactic I find is raise every hand and play aggressive, drop if you need to, but potentially every hand is a winning hand so best not to show any weakness

saul1664

09-01-2006, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by stevejfh
Yes. Started keeping records mid-way through November, after taking the game up roughly 4 months prior to that. Ledger currently a shade below £750 in profit. Winning $1250 (£715) in a free-roll for regular players on BetFred is largely responsible.

Haven't kept records as such, but know am miles ahead on betfair, but tend to get beat quite badly at pacific. Got a bit fortunate with betfair was playing 50p/£1 no-limit ring tables with a fair bit of success, one day all these tables were busy so dropped down to 25p/50p tables, standard seems to be pretty low and was regularly winning £90 a day after about 15 minutes, was flying before circumstances meant no internet access, so maybe just lucky or I have found a level I am comfortable at. Find that if you are at a table with lunatics on ring games just leave the table - I haemmorhaged £40 in just under five minutes because people were raising £5/£10 on nothing hands, average pot seemed to be about £70/£80.

oz_da II

09-01-2006, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
never really done well at heads up, but best tactic I find is raise every hand and play aggressive, drop if you need to, but potentially every hand is a winning hand so best not to show any weakness

Been doing that but yet to succeed.

Made one fold to a very large raise last week where I thought I was beat but later found out I had the better hand. I had low pair, he ended up having nothing. That was probably the turning point.

Maybe this week.

saul1664

10-01-2006, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by oz_da II
Been doing that but yet to succeed.

Made one fold to a very large raise last week where I thought I was beat but later found out I had the better hand. I had low pair, he ended up having nothing. That was probably the turning point.

Maybe this week.

I suppose it depends how you stand, if blinds are big and you can only last 3 or 4 hands, then steam in when you have a semblance of a good hand, even a low pair. Not always possible but if you have kept an eye on your opponent you may guess his playing style, playing in a sit and go ended up in heads up with someone I knew had been bullying the pot with nothing, so I let him bully me out of about $300-$400 on the heads up, got a fairly good hand, let him bully me again, then went all in, he followed, he had nothing, I won the heads up.

DANCOO

10-01-2006, 04:23 PM

1ff5

Just lost with trip 10's twice in a f*cking row.:veryangry :veryangry

Mat ov CPFC

11-01-2006, 05:56 PM

Game tonight ?

Lambeth Palace

11-01-2006, 06:25 PM

I'll be up for a game later if there is interest.

Fester

11-01-2006, 06:56 PM

Me too if there's room - I'll just keep an eye on the tables from 8.30 - unless I'm not welcome :sob:

Mat ov CPFC

11-01-2006, 07:03 PM

Let see then. It gives me the incentive to get the washing up done and stuff so ttfn.

ebyeeckeagle

11-01-2006, 07:30 PM

I'll be up for it.

David Amsalem

11-01-2006, 07:36 PM

Can I play tonight?

Lambeth Palace

11-01-2006, 07:36 PM

Everyone is more than welcome.

citizen sane

11-01-2006, 07:37 PM

I'll have a game tonight if thats ok ? What table are you using ?

ebyeeckeagle

11-01-2006, 07:37 PM

I have access to BBS2

Not sure how many we are?

ebyeeckeagle

11-01-2006, 07:38 PM

Citizen - welcome back mate. Remember the details for your original table?1

Lambeth Palace

11-01-2006, 07:38 PM

Looks like six so far.

citizen sane

11-01-2006, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Citizen - welcome back mate. Remember the details for your original table?1

Yes , is the same for the rest of the tables or not ? and thanks .

David Amsalem

11-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Ok then, I'm in for definate.

ebyeeckeagle

11-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Right. BBS1 - the original.

OK CS?

Start logging in and see who turns up?

Fester

11-01-2006, 07:41 PM

Fat boy Fat will also be joining

citizen sane

11-01-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
Right. BBS1 - the original.

OK CS?

Start logging in and see who turns up?

Yep , see you there .

Mat ov CPFC

11-01-2006, 07:45 PM

what time start ? 9pm ?

citizen sane

11-01-2006, 07:46 PM

There's 7 of us already sat down Mat .

ebyeeckeagle

11-01-2006, 07:46 PM

i'd log in now - not many places left

Son of Selhurst

11-01-2006, 08:09 PM

hang on!

citizen sane

11-01-2006, 08:33 PM

Anyone having another game ?

ebyeeckeagle

11-01-2006, 08:40 PM

I've got to be somewhere - happy to start a game if needed though on BBS2. I'll wait ten minutes.

Lambeth Palace

11-01-2006, 08:41 PM

yeah ok

slim

11-01-2006, 08:42 PM

I can't believe i just managed that, did anyone else see it??? :o

Lambeth Palace

11-01-2006, 08:43 PM

Good comeback.

slim

11-01-2006, 08:44 PM

that was looney, fester i think i need to buy you a beer over the weekend :)

Fester

11-01-2006, 08:47 PM

Make it 20 :hmph: :grrr: :veryangry :bash:

slim

11-01-2006, 08:54 PM

:p we need to convince the wifeys first :)

David Amsalem

11-01-2006, 09:17 PM

Well played everybody.

Thats the way my luck has been tonight! 3rd place after moving tables to a table paying 1st and 2nd!

Nevermind, to lose with JJ to 10 10 hurt though!

I was playing earlier and lost with AA, betting done prior to the flop.

Time to turn it off tonight I think.

See you next week :p

citizen sane

11-01-2006, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by slim
I can't believe i just managed that, did anyone else see it??? :o

I did . Unbelievable comeback :p You won every single hand from having about 100 chips until you had them all :eek:

slim

11-01-2006, 09:25 PM

i know, it was nuts, good job i know fester well, if it was anyone else i'd be worried but he's fleeced me many a time :) my balance looks a little healthier now :p

Fester

11-01-2006, 09:28 PM

And there will be many more my slim friend.
At least I (rather fortuitously) made up for it in game 2 though. Thanks to everyone who played tonight - I'm almost embarrassed at my lucky success, but not quite - hopefully see you all next week.

slim

11-01-2006, 09:29 PM

yeah, forgot to say cheers boyz, very enjoyable evening, :p

Mat ov CPFC

12-01-2006, 09:08 AM

Well I played rubbish and only redeemed myself by going onto an Omaha(sp?) table and managing to get my stake back.

DANCOO

12-01-2006, 09:15 AM

I played rubbish and also redeemed myself on the cash tables.
Went straight in to a ring game, holding AKc, couple of other people in the pot with an A on the flop, we're all raising and re-raising, all-ins, I'm actually behind at this point but hit runner runner clubs for the nut flush :) $250, biggest hand I've won all week.

ebyeeckeagle

12-01-2006, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Mat ov CPFC
....redeemed myself by going onto an Omaha(sp?) table and managing to get my stake back.

I clicked into an Omaha game by mistake last night. WTF:( I didn't have a clue. Tried desparately to read some quick tips, but was stuck in a tourny, though not for long....

Clued up on it today - very odd game.

slim

12-01-2006, 09:54 AM

Do any of you guys have Chris Moneymakers poker? i have it running on my server @ home if anyone fancies a friendly sometime.

oz_da II

12-01-2006, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by oz_da II
How's this? I play a tournament (8-12 players, $20) every Thursday night for about six months now. Played just under 30 times.
I've come 2nd twelve times without winning. :clown:

First couple times I was a bit clueless at heads up.
Twice I've had players "escape" on the river.
Often I've limped in with a very low percentage of chips.
Played poorly last week had 70% of the chips at the start of heads up.

One could say I'm getting a bit of a reputation....

:(

Guess what happened tonight. :clown:

DANCOO

12-01-2006, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by oz_da II
Guess what happened tonight. :clown:

You won, and the curse was broken?

Mat ov CPFC

12-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by ebyeeckeagle
I clicked into an Omaha game by mistake last night. WTF:( I didn't have a clue. Tried desparately to read some quick tips, but was stuck in a tourny, though not for long....

Clued up on it today - very odd game.

It is because its almost worth while seeing the flop 50% of the time as opposed to the 10-20% in Hold'em but things change so quickly that you really do need to be happy to walk away from large pots. Texas is far more disciplined and subtle but I tend to find I make more money from Omaha.

oz_da II

12-01-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
You won, and the curse was broken?

My 13th 2nd. Lucky 13 didn't happen.

11 players this week. Entered heads up 20%-80% down.
Got it up to about 40% with some aggressive play then busted out by a better hand from my opponent.

9d Jd. I raise 4x the blind.
Opponent calls.

Qd 10d 9h, I raise half my chips.
Opponent goes all in.
I call. He flips over 10h Ks. I'm thinking plenty of outs here. Nothing on the turn.
A 10 on the river adds insult to injury.

Maybe next week. At least I'm bringing home a profit.

DANCOO

12-01-2006, 01:55 PM

:veryangry

Just now...

I'm sitting on AK suited and call a $4 raise, so does one other.

Flop comes QAA

We all check.

9 comes out.

I bet $10, one folds, one goes all-in.

I call him.....he flips of QQ
:bash:

Nothing on the river.:veryangry

ebyeeckeagle

12-01-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Mat ov CPFC
.....Texas is far more disciplined and subtle but I tend to find I make more money from Omaha.

Thats where I obviously go wrong with Texas:) Discipline and subtlety?????

ebyeeckeagle

12-01-2006, 02:38 PM

I should add, that OzDa obviously deosn't have the British backbone to win heads-up. And Dancoo was fecking robbed.

DANCOO

12-01-2006, 02:44 PM

AND AGAIN!!!!:veryangry :veryangry

Holding AQ, flop comes Q44 - we both check.

Turn comes A.

He bets $3, I raise $6, he calls.

River is K.

I bet $10, he raise all-in $75, I call....HE FLIPS OVER KK.

Un-f*cking-believable.

:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

christopher

12-01-2006, 03:44 PM

Tilt?

Son of Selhurst

12-01-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
AND AGAIN!!!!:veryangry :veryangry

Holding AQ, flop comes Q44 - we both check.

Turn comes A.

He bets $3, I raise $6, he calls.

River is K.

I bet $10, he raise all-in $75, I call....HE FLIPS OVER KK.

Un-f*cking-believable.

:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

As I said two pages ago - it's fixed.

I played last night and every decent hand was beaten by people with crap.

At one point, I had AJsuited, so I raised. Two callers. Flop comes 2JJ. I check, next guy raises, 3rd called, I went all in. Raiser folds and caller calls me. I flip over AJ, he flips over 9 10 off-suit.

Turn is a Q

River is an 8......

DANCOO

12-01-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by christopher
Tilt?

Nope, genuine enough hands to call all-in bets at this level.

christopher

12-01-2006, 04:31 PM

I get that. I was just implying that you yourself are suffering an obscene run of luck. Perhaps you should start playing online bingo :)

saul1664

12-01-2006, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
As I said two pages ago - it's fixed.

I played last night and every decent hand was beaten by people with crap.

At one point, I had AJsuited, so I raised. Two callers. Flop comes 2JJ. I check, next guy raises, 3rd called, I went all in. Raiser folds and caller calls me. I flip over AJ, he flips over 9 10 off-suit.

Turn is a Q

River is an 8......

Don't think so. Think the percentage of cards may be a bit better than in real life. Dancoo is unlucky on the first hand, second hand a $75 raise is a bit over the top on two pair. There are more straights and flushes in hold em because people will stick in with crap hands, over time you should make a profit against these sorts of people. After being burned with a full house 555QQ to a full house QQQ55, I tend not to go all in and err on the side of caution in cash games unless I think I have the absolute nuts.

Lord_Muffin

13-01-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO
:veryangry

Just now...

I'm sitting on AK suited and call a $4 raise, so does one other.

Flop comes QAA

We all check.

9 comes out.

I bet $10, one folds, one goes all-in.

I call him.....he flips of QQ
:bash:

Nothing on the river.:veryangry

Sorry to sound like a bit of a muppet but I looked at this and thought how did this hand lose when you had 3 Aces and he had 3 Queens. Is it because of the pocket queens? Apologises as I am very new to the game and this page really helps me in my poker education.

DANCOO

13-01-2006, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Lord_Muffin
Sorry to sound like a bit of a muppet but I looked at this and thought how did this hand lose when you had 3 Aces and he had 3 Queens. Is it because of the pocket queens? Apologises as I am very new to the game and this page really helps me in my poker education.

He's got a full house - Queens full of Aces. ( 3 queens, 2 aces ). Remember you're playing five cards, not three.
All I had was AAAKQ

Lord_Muffin

13-01-2006, 11:30 AM

Thanks. I am a muppet!!!!

Good reading your stories DANCOO. Always enjoy looking at this thread.

DANCOO

13-01-2006, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by saul1664
Don't think so. Think the percentage of cards may be a bit better than in real life. Dancoo is unlucky on the first hand, second hand a $75 raise is a bit over the top on two pair.

This is the problem with playing small stake tables.
If I call that raise 100 times, 33% of the time they will be bluffing, 33% of the time they will be behind with a genuine hand, 33% of the time they will be winning - obviously not accurate percentages, but most of the time I will win with a hand like that.
I would find it easier to get away from a good hand if I was playing higher stakes, because generally people are a lot more cautious, but at low stakes people do crazy stuff - maybe a reason to play a bit cuter actually.

saul1664

13-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
This is the problem with playing small stake tables.
If I call that raise 100 times, 33% of the time they will be bluffing, 33% of the time they will be behind with a genuine hand, 33% of the time they will be winning - obviously not accurate percentages, but most of the time I will win with a hand like that.
I would find it easier to get away from a good hand if I was playing higher stakes, because generally people are a lot more cautious, but at low stakes people do crazy stuff - maybe a reason to play a bit cuter actually.

it's just patience really, had been playing on a cash table for 2 hours about to leave, it was driving me crazy, I'd be up £20, then down £30, then up £15 etc., ebbing and flowing for two hours, when someone I was playing with went totally out of character, cautious player that was putting only £2 and £5 raises, going all in with £30, so called him all in, he had a poor hand, I had a good one, then he refilled twice and did the same thing again, called him for £40 and another £40, everyone else dropped, he had poor hands both times and I won both. Obviously he'd for no reason gone on tilt, and I ended £150+ up in about 5 minutes. It happens in tournament play where you sit still for 2 hours then think you must go now even with a semi-poor hand because you haven't put anything in for ages and then get caned, especially if you have been watching hands you consistenly fold being good enough to win the pot.

Even worse was one bloke who came in saying poker is fixed its rubbish its down to the cards, came out of game 3 times, filled £100 each time and went all in on 6 9, 2 5, and A 3, unfortunately never had a hand to call him. Someone else did though and made £300 in about 3 minutes. Obviously this happens rarely, but it does happen.

DANCOO

13-01-2006, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
he had poor hands both times and I won both. Obviously he'd for no reason gone on tilt, and I ended £150+ up in about 5 minutes.

He was probably getting caned on another table.

saul1664

13-01-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
He was probably getting caned on another table.

is it actually possible to play two tournaments/cash tables at once, I've tried and find it virtually impossible, to do it on a cash table takes a certain kind of lunatic

DANCOO

13-01-2006, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by saul1664
is it actually possible to play two tournaments/cash tables at once, I've tried and find it virtually impossible, to do it on a cash table takes a certain kind of lunatic

I was watching a $20/$40 cash table yesterday, and had a look at some of the $15/$30 & $10/$20 tables at the same time - several of the players were all playing on three different tables.

Strathclyde Eagle

13-01-2006, 09:52 PM

I've read of people who play three tables at once. The people who play them says it helps them to become more patient as they're getting more good hands in a shorter time frame, thus making it easier to throw poor starting hands away.

Funk Butter

13-01-2006, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I've read of people who play three tables at once. The people who play them says it helps them to become more patient as they're getting more good hands in a shorter time frame, thus making it easier to throw poor starting hands away.
I was at a table with Bo Sehlstedt at the WSOP. He said that he sometimes plays $1k SNG tourneys, 8 tables at a time. I often will play 4 at a time. Usually $10 ones, though.

DANCOO

13-01-2006, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Funk Butter
I was at a table with Bo Sehlstedt at the WSOP. He said that he sometimes plays $1k SNG tourneys, 8 tables at a time. I often will play 4 at a time. Usually $10 ones, though.

And does it help your patience?

Funk Butter

13-01-2006, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
And does it help your patience?
Actually, yeah it does. Even with 4 tables going, I often have time to do other things. Like post on the CPFC BBS. :p Of course, it can get hairy when you have multiple tables playing short-handed. Then you really have to concentrate.

DANCOO

13-01-2006, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Funk Butter
Actually, yeah it does. Even with 4 tables going, I often have time to do other things. Like post on the CPFC BBS. :p Of course, it can get hairy when you have multiple tables playing short-handed. Then you really have to concentrate.

That would be a problem then. I only ever play short handed, well on cash tables anyway, you don't have great deal of choice on MTT's, it's nearly always long hand.

Lambeth Palace

14-01-2006, 08:49 PM

Just won $230 dollars coming second in a multi table tournament. At one point in the heads up and chip leader I was dealt pocket jacks, other player goes all in, I call and he/she gets the A he/she needed on the river. Oh well, next time.

Micky Droy

14-01-2006, 09:20 PM

I was doing pretty well in a qualifier to the WSOP tonight, and lost with an sce high flush to quads. I put him on trips, but not quads. Ah well, shame to hit my hand of the night against THE hand of the night.

WSOP is the goal this quarter!

DANCOO

15-01-2006, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
I was doing pretty well in a qualifier to the WSOP tonight, and lost with an sce high flush to quads. I put him on trips, but not quads. Ah well, shame to hit my hand of the night against THE hand of the night.

WSOP is the goal this quarter!

This quarter my aim is to finish top three in a MTT. I've figure out my main problem in progressing in these is almost purely down to concentration and timing. Out of, say, 500 players, I can quite comfortably get to position 80 out of 160, but I will usually have just under the average stack, and it's from this position that I am finding it hard to change gear, so I usually find myself going all in on a wing and prayer - nearly always failing.

Lambeth Palace

15-01-2006, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
This quarter my aim is to finish top three in a MTT. I've figure out my main problem in progressing in these is almost purely down to concentration and timing. Out of, say, 500 players, I can quite comfortably get to position 80 out of 160, but I will usually have just under the average stack, and it's from this position that I am finding it hard to change gear, so I usually find myself going all in on a wing and prayer - nearly always failing.

I think you are right, I used to worry a lot about the average stack and ranking but find that doing that affects my concentration and makes me make rash calls. Last week I came 3rd in an MTT and was pretty much below average all the way to the final table. A big factor for me yesterday was being on table one from start to finish.

Reps AJ

15-01-2006, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
This quarter my aim is to finish top three in a MTT. I've figure out my main problem in progressing in these is almost purely down to concentration and timing. Out of, say, 500 players, I can quite comfortably get to position 80 out of 160, but I will usually have just under the average stack, and it's from this position that I am finding it hard to change gear, so I usually find myself going all in on a wing and prayer - nearly always failing.

Same here. Get into the low payouts sometimes and have made the final table once, but always seem to end up with an average stack that gets eaten up by crap hands and rising blinds till I go all in and go out :)

budgie

15-01-2006, 12:52 PM

I've got 3rd twice now in 300+ tournaments, it really is down to patience and obviously luck, something which I seem to have run out of at the moment.

I was in the final 80 last week doing well, and got dealt pr Jacks, I went all in and got called by AJ (not Andy Johnson), the flop came 3,8,4, then the turn was 2, and the river 5. Out to a run 5 high, if I had won that, I'd have gone into top 5, and could have relaxed for a while, instead I was out.

Reps AJ

15-01-2006, 01:52 PM

Just finished 25 out of about 300. At least I got my entrance fee back ( and a whopping $2 profit) :D

Micky Droy

15-01-2006, 02:11 PM

What sites do people play on these days?

I am trying out Party Poker - it's crazy. it's where the muppets live, but that makes it v dangerous from what I have heard. But they tourneys with 200k and 500k prize pools and over a thousand players! That's insane!

Also,: poker room, ladbrokes, pacific and 32red.

Are there any other good uns I should be trying?

Reps AJ

15-01-2006, 02:22 PM

Paradise is where I'm playing today

Lambeth Palace

15-01-2006, 03:22 PM

Just went out of a £20 MTT tournament on betfair in 29th place. My full house Aces full of tens lost out to Aces full of jacks. I think I'm gonna give it a rest for the day. :bash: :veryangry:

Micky Droy

15-01-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Lambeth Palace
Just went out of a £20 MTT tournament on betfair in 29th place. My full house Aces full of tens lost out to Aces full of jacks. I think I'm gonna give it a rest for the day. :bash: :veryangry:

Lower full house - ouch.

I was playing a tourney on Party this afternoon. 482 players was reduced to 300 in 45 minutes (then my ace king got busted - shouldn't called the all in, but the guy had been throwing his chips around on nothing - he had 55 so a 50-50).

The drop out rate is intense and some of the hands played are beyond all reason... people winning a thousand chips with ace high! It's a jungle out there... am going to play the 50k tonight on pacific, for which I am playing the qualifier now.

Lambeth Palace

15-01-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
Lower full house - ouch.

I was playing a tourney on Party this afternoon. 482 players was reduced to 300 in 45 minutes (then my ace king got busted - shouldn't called the all in, but the guy had been throwing his chips around on nothing - he had 55 so a 50-50).

The drop out rate is intense and some of the hands played are beyond all reason... people winning a thousand chips with ace high! It's a jungle out there... am going to play the 50k tonight on pacific, for which I am playing the qualifier now.

I had been backed into a corner seriously short stacked by a combination of poor luck and bad calls. Losing on your best hand of the day is a bitter pill to swallow.

Strathclyde Eagle

15-01-2006, 09:19 PM

DANCOO

15-01-2006, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Micky Droy
What sites do people play on these days?

I am trying out Party Poker - it's crazy. it's where the muppets live, but that makes it v dangerous from what I have heard. But they tourneys with 200k and 500k prize pools and over a thousand players! That's insane!

Also,: poker room, ladbrokes, pacific and 32red.

Are there any other good uns I should be trying?

I haven't won on William Hill since I was about £600 up, but that was getting eaten away playing the £0.50/£1.00 cash tables ( this was about four to five months ago, when I had totally lost the ability to play the way I had been when I was winning ).

I started playing on Ladbrokes about two months ago with the last of what I had in my account, ( about $28 ), and am so far up to about $500, I win on Ladbrokes fairly consistently now on the cash tables, I just have to be in the right frame of mind to play. My cash winnings fund my MTT's, but am yet to get in the money.

BringBackSasa

16-01-2006, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO
I started playing on Ladbrokes about two months ago with the last of what I had in my account, ( about $28 ), and am so far up to about $500, I win on Ladbrokes fairly consistently now on the cash tables, I just have to be in the right frame of mind to play. My cash winnings fund my MTT's, but am yet to get in the money.

Have you noticed that in the last few weeks on Laddies - since a software change - that there are a silly amount of big hands?

christopher

16-01-2006, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
I've heard a lot of people at Poker Strategy (www.poker-strategy.org) recommend Absolute (http://www.absolutepoker.com) - very good for bonuses apparently (Poker Strategy forums are very good as well IMHO).

I play on Absolute all the time.

DANCOO

16-01-2006, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by BringBackSasa
Have you noticed that in the last few weeks on Laddies - since a software change - that there are a silly amount of big hands?

I've only really been playing on Laddies for a couple of months so I can't say I've noticed any difference.

Wildcat Army

16-01-2006, 09:45 AM

Im not a lover of tournaments as they last too long for me, but I played one last night on Bet365. First hand got A2 suited, raised pre flop to try and pick some easy chips up, but was called with All in by two players, decided to go for it. My A2 was up against KK and KQ, flop did nothing, turn likewise then A on the river and Im chip leader !!

Continued to do ok, was on about 20,000 chips in 6th place, late on. Got 10,10 one guy raised to 2k, I re-raised to 4k, another guy goes all in with 25k, first player calls... Im thinking hopefully its AK or AQ against my 10's. Called all in, was up against KK and KK so was hopefull of a 10. Sadly nothing came about and out I went in 36th place, prizes paid for top 30. Dissapointed that I didnt win anything, but it was getting on late (almost 1ish).

Had a five minute think about what I had done and whether I could have played it better... in hindsight maybe I shouldnt have called, but then again with a bit of luck I could have been on about 50,000 chips had I won the hand and a big chip leader.

I suppose you learn from your mistakes though.

DANCOO

16-01-2006, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Wildcat Army
Im not a lover of tournaments as they last too long for me, but I played one last night on Bet365. First hand got A2 suited, raised pre flop to try and pick some easy chips up, but was called with All in by two players, decided to go for it. My A2 was up against KK and KQ, flop did nothing, turn likewise then A on the river and Im chip leader !!

Continued to do ok, was on about 20,000 chips in 6th place, late on. Got 10,10 one guy raised to 2k, I re-raised to 4k, another guy goes all in with 25k, first player calls... Im thinking hopefully its AK or AQ against my 10's. Called all in, was up against KK and KK so was hopefull of a 10. Sadly nothing came about and out I went in 36th place, prizes paid for top 30. Dissapointed that I didnt win anything, but it was getting on late (almost 1ish).

Had a five minute think about what I had done and whether I could have played it better... in hindsight maybe I shouldnt have called, but then again with a bit of luck I could have been on about 50,000 chips had I won the hand and a big chip leader.

I suppose you learn from your mistakes though.

Generally, I find that the later on a tourney goes, people call with more genuine hands, more so than in the earlier rounds.

DANCOO

16-01-2006, 12:21 PM

1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10

Calm down, deep breaths, it's only money.

Cocksucker to my left keeps going over the top of everyone on a cash table. He's in small blind and bets $5 pre-flop, I'm last to go and am the only caller ( holding 44 ).
Flop comes JJ2, he bets $6, I raise him $12, he goes all-in $60, I call knowing he is bluffing big time.

He turns over 67s HAH!!!

Turn 5.

River 6. :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

It's not the losing, it's the losing to this c*nt that got me.....W*NKER.

PoolKing

16-01-2006, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Wildcat Army
I played one last night on Bet365.

What is your name there?

Wildcat Army

16-01-2006, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by PoolKing
What is your name there?

Same as here except no spaces.

Wildcatarmy

Wildcat Army

16-01-2006, 12:48 PM

Decided to give heads up a testing too over the weekend.

Played 50c/1$ heads up and got slaughtered, well not slaughtered but the guy beat me hands down for about $40. It was the first time Ive played heads up and looking back, aggression wasnt a strong point where my opponent was, although he did get lucky on the river on one of the hands for a decent pot.

Played again yesterday evening, against some guy from Yankee Doodle Dandy land. He had $132, so I brought in $100. Early stages, my big blind he would raise to $3 on every hand, hard to call with some of the cards. He did the same again though against my KK, I called. Cant remember the hand exactly, but a king appeared somewhere, so I raised whenever he played. Think I took $50 off him on that hand and from then onwards he went wild, calling and rasing mentally. For every hand I lost, I won three so took him to cleaners. Ending in an all in for $37 to clear him out on an Ace flush. He brings another $100 to the table... won another $20 then he starts talking in the comment box, with ****** for most of his words, calling me boring etc.... Had enough with that, said thanks, goodnight and left him alone.

I think Im ready to play Phil Ivey now at heads up.... but for 50c/$1 though !!!

Strathclyde Eagle

16-01-2006, 01:00 PM

I hate the comment boxes. I always turn them off.

American players are some of the worst when it comes to giving out abuse. Most of the time it tends to be when they're losing as well.

Nice play Wildcat. :p

PoolKing

16-01-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Wildcat Army
then he starts talking in the comment box, with ****** for most of his words, calling me boring etc.... Had enough with that, said thanks, goodnight and left him alone.

I think you are in luck as I believe this bloke plays quite regularly on those heads-up tables...I remember playing an american before, same style as you mention and when he started losing he kept threatening to leave as I was 'a boring englishman':D

Wildcat Army

16-01-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by PoolKing
I think you are in luck as I believe this bloke plays quite regularly on those heads-up tables...I remember playing an american before, same style as you mention and when he started losing he kept threatening to leave as I was 'a boring englishman':D

Very similar.... started posting zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as he was bored with me winning.

Micky Droy

16-01-2006, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by DANCOO
1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10

Calm down, deep breaths, it's only money.

Cocksucker to my left keeps going over the top of everyone on a cash table. He's in small blind and bets $5 pre-flop, I'm last to go and am the only caller ( holding 44 ).
Flop comes JJ2, he bets $6, I raise him $12, he goes all-in $60, I call knowing he is bluffing big time.

He turns over 67s HAH!!!

Turn 5.

River 6. :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

It's not the losing, it's the losing to this c*nt that got me.....W*NKER.

I just lost to a total muppet bluffer I had pegged and creamed from the word go. He hit runner runner 10s to get a full house after a flop all in against my king high flush. :bash:

And last night I lost $150 on PARTY POKER of all places with a lower full house nines full of kings. :bash:

I am very pleased with my game at the moment but am getting killed after a couple of hour with bad beats. Been trying to limit the damage they can do and be more watchful with my stack but there comes a time...

I tell myself that you can never expect to place in every tourney and that perseverance and fine tuning is the thing, but boy oh boy...

Reps AJ

16-01-2006, 10:49 PM

Hehehe...

Its late and I want to got to bed but am playing a STT. Got dealt Q10s, SB makes a small raise which I call and the BB goes all-in, SB follows so I think fuvk it, I need sleep and call it. They turn over KK and AK... Flop comes QQ7:D

Needless to say they weren't happy :D

KevTheOptimist

16-01-2006, 11:16 PM

I been getting some stupid beats lately. Was up about £300 on laddies for the last couple of weeks playing some solid poker but the last few days I've had nut st8 lose to runner runner flush when I was was all in for $100 dollar on the flop - having played tight and the table knew I was playing tight.

Must have had KK at least 6 or 7 times in the last couple of days, every time i've raised big with them to get busted by A2, A6 etc.

And not only that I'm making some really bad calls when I know I'm losing but just need to know if I am right lol It's the little green poker monster than sits on my shoulder when I play

Lambeth Palace

17-01-2006, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
And not only that I'm making some really bad calls when I know I'm losing but just need to know if I am right

I do this far too often.

Micky Droy

17-01-2006, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I been getting some stupid beats lately. Was up about £300 on laddies for the last couple of weeks playing some solid poker but the last few days I've had nut st8 lose to runner runner flush when I was was all in for $100 dollar on the flop - having played tight and the table knew I was playing tight.

Must have had KK at least 6 or 7 times in the last couple of days, every time i've raised big with them to get busted by A2, A6 etc.

And not only that I'm making some really bad calls when I know I'm losing but just need to know if I am right lol It's the little green poker monster than sits on my shoulder when I play

Nightmare.

Funk Butter

17-01-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Reps AJ
Hehehe...

Its late and I want to got to bed but am playing a STT. Got dealt Q10s, SB makes a small raise which I call and the BB goes all-in, SB follows so I think fuvk it, I need sleep and call it. They turn over KK and AK... Flop comes QQ7:D

Needless to say they weren't happy :D
On Day 3 at the WSOP Main Event, I raised early with QTs. I was just interested in stealing the blinds and antes, but had a really good feeling about the hand. It was at the point where I felt I had to start collecting some chips if I wanted to play for a few more days. Couple of hands to my left went all-in. Just knew he had AK, and started thinking. I knew if it wasn't AK of clubs my QT of clubs would be in better shape, around 60/40. He had put in about 2/3 or my stack and I thought about it. (I really did have one of those feelings) Eventually I folded, and he turned over AKo. I've wondered since what would have been the result had I called.

DANCOO

17-01-2006, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Funk Butter
One thing I tend to do (if I'm lucky enough) is go all-in pre-flop on the first hand if I'm dealt AA. You'll get called more often than not by at least one person who thinks you are just a crazy maniac. I've even been called by 3 other people before. (managed to win that one)

Well it didin't work for me.:grrr: :D, first hand, AND I was in the small blind - perfect I thought.

Alright, it was KK, and there were only three callers before me.

Still, it won me 60 chips:D and put me staright up to 46/360 :)

Reps AJ

17-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Funk Butter
On Day 3 at the WSOP Main Event, I raised early with QTs. ... I've wondered since what would have been the result had I called.

I wouldn't normally have called but I wanted to sleep... so just done it again and doubled up:D Q10s again flop comes QJ7 I raise and he puts me all in, I call he turns over KK and I hit a 10 on the river... My jammy luck must run out soon...

budgie

17-01-2006, 08:09 PM

Just came 2nd in a $5 tournie on Ladbrokes, 200+ players winning $206.

I will crack it soon, and win one, thats my 3rd top 3 finish.

Fester

18-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Anyone playing later?

Lambeth Palace

18-01-2006, 07:48 PM

Probably not tonight for me but I shall keep an eye on this thread to see how things progress.

Fester

18-01-2006, 08:02 PM

Not very well, so far!

Son of Selhurst

20-01-2006, 03:45 PM

Played for real last night and a crazy hand came up. I'd been pummelled a few hands earlier by a rivered 10. Started playing real tight but the blinds were going up so had to make a stand.

I got A 9 os so I went all-in with my little stack. The guy next to me (who'd rivered the 10) called and the blinds folded.

We turned our cards up and he had Q Q !!

Flop comes (and the dealer is playing it for suspense so turning the cards slowly) :

10 - I'm thinking "Bugger!"

A - "Get in!!!"

Q - "Balls!!!!!!!"

Then :

A - "Great!!! Oh, hang on, no! He's got a Full.... bugger!"

River comes - 10 !!!!!

So I doubled up with Aces full against his Queens full. He was NOT happy, but the cards were amazing!

I eventually came 2nd place to the same guy who beat my all-in 7 7 with 9 3 os and hit two 3's on the board......

oz_da II

27-01-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by DANCOO
You won, and the curse was broken?

Broken!!!!!!!

Got to heads up, chip leader.

Pocket sixes. Raised, got called.
Six on the flop. Check, opponent goes all in. Call.
He's got two pair. Doesn't hit his full house and I'm a winner.

About bloody time.
:lux:

DANCOO

27-01-2006, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by oz_da II
Broken!!!!!!!

Got to heads up, chip leader.

Pocket sixes. Raised, got called.
Six on the flop. Check, opponent goes all in. Call.
He's got two pair. Doesn't hit his full house and I'm a winner.

About bloody time.
:lux:

:lux: :D

saul1664

28-01-2006, 08:18 AM

Haven't played due to no internet access for about 5 weeks, so expected to be a bit rusty, but had a gift. Only just gone in the room, guy who has just joined goes in £6, I hold JQ, so I call, everyone else folds.

Flop comes JQ, one low card, thinking in good position, he then goes all in for £44. I think wtf has he got, unlikely to hit QQ, JJ with JQ on table, even if holding AA KK, I still have the advantage, considering it was about my 4th hand, I was a bit reluctant to play but called him anyway (it was a bizarre raise on a 25/50p table!), he flips over a pair of 2's. No 2 on turn or river, nice start £50 up in 3 minutes, went on to make £90. Unsurprisingly he didn't come back!

citizen sane

31-01-2006, 04:28 PM

I found some money in party poker that i never realised i had . So to pass the afternoon , I've been playing sit'n'go's and moving up to higher stakes if i made money .

Anyway , $ 23 turns into $115 so i venture on to the $100 tables ( My first time ) Luck is with me at this point as I'm dealt AA two hands running , also have KK , QQ and a couple of AK' s as well .

So with four players left and at level 5 blinds me and one other player has over 8500 chips between us . Marvellous i think , just sit tight let the two small stacks get blinded out and I'm in the money ...YAY .

Then this happens ...I'm dealt K 7 hearts in the small blind , which i call , the big blind is the other big chip holder , he calls and the flop comes K 2 8 rainbow .

I stick a couple of hundred chips in to see what will happen and get called . The turn is another king , I check , they check behind me , the river is another 2 so now I've got a full boat . I throw about 150 chips in because ( 1 ) I don't want to frighten them off and ( 2 ) I'm hoping they might try and steal it .

Lo and behold they go all in :eek: I'm almost positive i can't be beat so i call expecting to clean up ...........The cards flip over .......and I'm looking at his hole cards which are ......FFS .....A pair of twos :bash:

Absolutely gutted , to get so close and then get run down with a monster like that :sob: After this i was left with about 200 chips and went all in with a Q 10 which got run down by a pair of 4's

David Amsalem

31-01-2006, 04:38 PM

I've had awful luck recently.

Was playing in a turbo tournement and you know how they get. 240 players. Down to 155, I'm sitting nicely in 20th holding KQ. I raise and somebody calls. On the flop, KQ2. Sweet. I raise and he goes all in. This isn't unusual in turbo tourements as you know so I think he is trying to steal the money. Which he was. He turns over TT. Sweet... J... A - he gets a straight. Gutted. 154th.

saul1664

31-01-2006, 08:56 PM

managed to get £2.15 on 5555 :rolleyes:

WorthingEagle

01-02-2006, 09:30 AM

As requested by Dancoo, from another thread......

Originally posted by WorthingEagle
Bloody hell - I qualified for the French Open last night! :lux: :lux:

Still hasn't sunk in - won 4,000 euros entry, 5 nights in 4* normandy hotel and travel expenses. Should be an incredible experience playing against all the top pros - I can't wait!!

:afro:

christopher

01-02-2006, 09:59 AM

Nice. :p

Feather

01-02-2006, 11:09 AM

Who was that with Worthing Eagle? Wasn't William Hill by any chance?

WorthingEagle

01-02-2006, 11:12 AM

No it was Betfair - same network as William Hill though.

It was an exclusive tournament for Raketherake.com members - if you play a lot online rakeback is a must.

citizen sane

01-02-2006, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by WorthingEagle
As requested by Dancoo, from another thread......

Best of luck to you in this :p

WorthingEagle

01-02-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by citizen sane
Best of luck to you in this :p

Thanks very much. I'm not looking to get involved in hands if I don't have to, but obviously if I get dealt AA first hand and someone hits trip kings it could all be over very quickly!

paulhgc2002

01-02-2006, 01:17 PM

is it possible to arrange a friendly game which does not involve loosing( losing) loads of cash

oz_da II

01-02-2006, 01:24 PM

Loosing?

Come on Paul, get it right at least once?

paulhgc2002

01-02-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by oz_da II
Loosing?

Come on Paul, get it right at least once?

my hands are cold

KevTheOptimist

01-02-2006, 01:39 PM

I've been trying a new tactive for online poker play (not tounements) which is working very well for at the moment. I don't for a second advocate doing this as I find players like me doing this very annoying but basically the plan is to find a passive cash table and call everything pre flop apart from your 7 2's, 9 2's and proper toilet hands.

Any connectors or suited cards I will play pre flop and you'd be amazed how many AK/KK/QQ/TT/AJ etc hands you will take down with small pairs and unlikely st8s. You will get massive abuse from the other players but it is making plenty of cash at the moment.

Still need to be sensible so I have a strict no chasing after the turn rule where the raises are high (aprt from flush and open ended st8 draws).

I don't particularly like playing like this as it isn't my usual style of poker but it is a money making style IMO and not only that you see alot more flops, are a lot more active at the table and it is therefore a lot more interesting to play!

WorthingEagle

01-02-2006, 02:21 PM

Micky Droy

01-02-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
I've been trying a new tactive for online poker play (not tounements) which is working very well for at the moment. I don't for a second advocate doing this as I find players like me doing this very annoying but basically the plan is to find a passive cash table and call everything pre flop apart from your 7 2's, 9 2's and proper toilet hands.

Any connectors or suited cards I will play pre flop and you'd be amazed how many AK/KK/QQ/TT/AJ etc hands you will take down with small pairs and unlikely st8s. You will get massive abuse from the other players but it is making plenty of cash at the moment.

Still need to be sensible so I have a strict no chasing after the turn rule where the raises are high (aprt from flush and open ended st8 draws).

I don't particularly like playing like this as it isn't my usual style of poker but it is a money making style IMO and not only that you see alot more flops, are a lot more active at the table and it is therefore a lot more interesting to play!

You should have a look at Sklansky's System for tournament play -

Be tight about calling raises, but go all in with any pair or connector etc

There are refinements, but that's basically it.

http://www.unknownpoker.com/articles/david-sklansky-system.htm

Your current tactic relies on you outdrawing players with better hole cards than you. Over time it will lose more than it wins. So you have to be able to read VERY well on the flop. Gus Hanson and Negreanu etc play with virtually anything till the flop. This has the great advantage that no one knows what they have, but they are brilliant at reading and continuing the narrative of their hands through betting.

However, I also like your style! People chase aces and kiongs online so if they don;t hit your low pair is strong, and you can usually tell what they have better than they can tell what you have. And often a single high pair doesn;t fare well againt your J 10 of spades. Go for it!

Lastly, if they give you good pot value, go in with the hand.

I had a sweet hand with K 2 the other day and olbnly called in the BB because there was value in the pot. The guy who ended up paying me cursed and moaned that his AK was beaten, but he never made the pot expensive so he let me hit the hand. I was lucky, but it was his bad play that made me able to be lucky.

KevTheOptimist

01-02-2006, 02:35 PM

To be honest, my reads of people are generally pretty good online - after a few hands obviously which is why I think this tactoc is working. The amount of times I've been raised pre flop and I've hit a pair of 8's on a low board then you get the typical bet from them on flop which you call then the check on turn which you bet and get a reluctant call then the check on river which you value bet and get called with A high and take home a nice pot for your 8's.

And no, I wouldn't call a large raise on a flush draw with just the river. That is a losing strategy

WorthingEagle

01-02-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
To be honest, my reads of people are generally pretty good online - after a few hands obviously which is why I think this tactoc is working. The amount of times I've been raised pre flop and I've hit a pair of 8's on a low board then you get the typical bet from them on flop which you call then the check on turn which you bet and get a reluctant call then the check on river which you value bet and get called with A high and take home a nice pot for your 8's.

I always follow up any pre-flop raise with a bet - otherwise it just screams "I've got AQ and I didn't hit". I'll only check when I've hit trip aces etc and there's no flush or straight draws on the board.

I'd say 70% of the time, that takes down the pot when all I've got is Ace high. If I get called, unless the turn brings anything I'm not going to put any more in.

I don't mind getting caught like that, because next time I might well have Aces and someone's going to go all the way with middle pair.

KevTheOptimist

01-02-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by WorthingEagle
I always follow up any pre-flop raise with a bet - otherwise it just screams "I've got AQ and I didn't hit". I'll only check when I've hit trip aces etc and there's no flush or straight draws on the board.

I'd say 70% of the time, that takes down the pot when all I've got is Ace high. If I get called, unless the turn brings anything I'm not going to put any more in.

I don't mind getting caught like that, because next time I might well have Aces and someone's going to go all the way with middle pair.

Exactamundo. You may need to work on changing this up a little. I know that a pre flop raise of around 3x BB followed up by a similar bet on a nothing flop usually signify a missed hand. Sometimes when I get AK and miss the flop, I'll try a cheeky check raise rather than the standard bet to say piss off. All depends on the player of course and how tight he plays but I've always found that the hardest players to play are those that are impossible to read due to erratic plays. I think I'm trying to build a table presence of someone you can't figure out

WorthingEagle

01-02-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Exactamundo. You may need to work on changing this up a little. I know that a pre flop raise of around 3x BB followed up by a similar bet on a nothing flop usually signify a missed hand. Sometimes when I get AK and miss the flop, I'll try a cheeky check raise rather than the standard bet to say piss off. All depends on the player of course and how tight he plays but I've always found that the hardest players to play are those that are impossible to read due to erratic plays. I think I'm trying to build a table presence of someone you can't figure out

Well, not really. Half the time when I raise I will have a high pair. If I have AK or AQ, 1 in 3 times I will hit anyway. Even if I don't hit, a decent sized bet on the flop will more often than not win the pot. If they play back - it's time to give it up.

I don't mind being predictable - I only put my money in when I believe the odds are in my favour, and playing on 5 tables at once gives little time to consider my table image.

The biggest hole in my game is being far too attached to aces versus dangerous looking boards, whereas I'm quite happy to fold Kings when an ace comes on the flop. :hmph: