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oz_da II
30-09-2008, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
do you really need us to tell you?

Bin it, watch the 2nd shorty rock up with QQ and double up against a big stack with AJ.

I was more interested in cashing than going deep as I had to go to work in under an hour. Bubble broke two hands later.

Chester
30-09-2008, 01:56 AM
:D

oz_da II
30-09-2008, 02:24 AM
KER-CHING! :p

iamanuplander
30-09-2008, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
Luckily i got a fairly big win on sun poker to make up for it last night.

What is your username for sunpoker? I am a mentalist player on cryptologic and would be nice to see you at the tables, or say hey if i see you. Or are you going to stay, as bobby valentino would say it, anonymous?

Chester
30-09-2008, 03:19 AM
PokerStars Game #20805220131: Tournament #111228551, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/09/29 23:16:23 ET
Table '111228551 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: sms2830 (3700 in chips)
Seat 2: BVIChester (2675 in chips)
Seat 3: Zivepe (1600 in chips)
Seat 4: #1DEMOMAN (2900 in chips)
Seat 6: shadowfax07 (1275 in chips)
Seat 8: borispoo (715 in chips)
Seat 9: mjs361 (635 in chips)
sms2830: posts small blind 25
BVIChester: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BVIChester [Kd Ad]
Zivepe: folds
#1DEMOMAN: folds
shadowfax07: folds
borispoo: folds
mjs361: raises 585 to 635 and is all-in
sms2830: folds
BVIChester: calls 585
*** FLOP *** [7h Qs As]
*** TURN *** [7h Qs As] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [7h Qs As Ts] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BVIChester: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Aces)
mjs361: shows [Ks Js] (a Royal Flush)
mjs361 collected 1295 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1295 | Rake 0
Board [7h Qs As Ts 4c]
Seat 1: sms2830 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BVIChester (big blind) showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Zivepe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: #1DEMOMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: shadowfax07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: borispoo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mjs361 (button) showed [Ks Js] and won (1295) with a Royal Flush

First for a long time that ive seen.

Chester
30-09-2008, 03:38 AM
:D Screen switched when i was playing another sng. Before the flop obv.

PokerStars Game #20805614023: Tournament #111228551, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/09/29 23:34:56 ET
Table '111228551 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: sms2830 (2500 in chips)
Seat 2: BVIChester (2515 in chips)
Seat 4: #1DEMOMAN (2475 in chips)
Seat 6: shadowfax07 (2265 in chips)
Seat 8: borispoo (2845 in chips)
Seat 9: mjs361 (900 in chips)
borispoo: posts small blind 75
mjs361: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BVIChester [7s Td]
sms2830: raises 450 to 600
BVIChester: raises 450 to 1050
#1DEMOMAN: folds
shadowfax07: folds
borispoo: folds
mjs361: folds
sms2830: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [6h 6c 7d]
sms2830: checks
BVIChester: bets 1465 and is all-in
sms2830: calls 1450 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (15) returned to BVIChester
*** TURN *** [6h 6c 7d] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 6c 7d 4c] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sms2830: shows [As Qh] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
BVIChester: shows [7s Td] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
BVIChester collected 5225 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5225 | Rake 0
Board [6h 6c 7d 4c 4d]
Seat 1: sms2830 showed [As Qh] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 2: BVIChester showed [7s Td] and won (5225) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 4: #1DEMOMAN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: shadowfax07 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: borispoo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: mjs361 (big blind) folded before Flop

saul1664
30-09-2008, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by se1eagle
I think if you're going to call a 3-bet preflop with AJs deepstacked in a 4-way pot, you're playing it to make the nut flush or straight as you're likely in trouble with less. As such you need to get as much money as possible in on the flop - it's a dream flop for your hand and you're actually a 51% favourite against KK. As played you can't fold the turn but you can't feel too happy getting the money in.

I knew I was behind, but had lots of outs. He calls an all-in on the flop, don't think anyone folds KK there so it doesn't affect the outcome, my thinking was that he was going to stop if the spade or A hit, so I either fold to his bet or get his whole stack when I hit, knew it was marginal.

Billyd
30-09-2008, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
What is your username for sunpoker? I am a mentalist player on cryptologic and would be nice to see you at the tables, or say hey if i see you. Or are you going to stay, as bobby valentino would say it, anonymous?

Well ive got 2 accounts, completely innocently! I downloaded the software on another computer but i couldnt log on for some reason so created another account. It turns out that there are 2 types of sun poker and $ version and a version and you need accounts for both even though they are the same!!!! whats the point i dont know. Anyway from now il be playing under billyd77

whats your username?

Paul Romain
30-09-2008, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Bin it, watch the 2nd shorty rock up with QQ and double up against a big stack with AJ.

I was more interested in cashing than going deep as I had to go to work in under an hour. Bubble broke two hands later.

Ok so if I've got this right you entered a tournament with only enough time on your hands to enable you to get your buy-in back plus some peanuts??

Schoolboy error! :rolleyes:

se1eagle
30-09-2008, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
I knew I was behind, but had lots of outs. He calls an all-in on the flop, don't think anyone folds KK there so it doesn't affect the outcome, my thinking was that he was going to stop if the spade or A hit, so I either fold to his bet or get his whole stack when I hit, knew it was marginal.

The outcome is irrelevant, what matters is the expectation from the plays you make.

Billyd
30-09-2008, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Ok so if I've got this right you entered a tournament with only enough time on your hands to enable you to get your buy-in back plus some peanuts??

Schoolboy error! :rolleyes:

i assumed he was joking?! also did you actually fold the AK?

oz_da II
30-09-2008, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Paul Romain
Ok so if I've got this right you entered a tournament with only enough time on your hands to enable you to get your buy-in back plus some peanuts??

Schoolboy error! :rolleyes:

It was a raketherake.com monthly freeroll.
I play this while four tabling Omaha.
As stated earlier I don't pay much attention at the start.
$2,500 to the winner. Not much difference to finish 10th or 99th.
1000 starters, obviously if I was real deep I'd make a call to work.

Cashed four in a row now. Folding the AK UTG bumped up my bankroll by $80 job done. :D

oz_da II
30-09-2008, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
i assumed he was joking?! also did you actually fold the AK?

Binned 'em :p

My last three tournament exits were AK (it would have been four, I had a bad bad feeling :D) and as stated I was more interested in cashing than winning. I'm thinking I would have shoved in a later position.

I just felt too much risk for small reward.

se1eagle
30-09-2008, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
I play this while four tabling Omaha.


How's the PLO going oz? Are the players relatively worse than at Holdem?

oz_da II
30-09-2008, 12:50 PM
After a very quick start and then a constant run the old graph has stabilized a little.
Putting this down to a bit of variance. The past week has been comical. Last night I dropped four buy-ins in 10 minutes twice I'm basically showing my hand (nut flushes after the turn and getting called by morons with sets and the board miraculously pairing on the river, actually on one the guy hit quads :D) I quickly shut down before tilt set in...

I'm really enjoying it though, much more intriguing and thoughtful game than hold 'em. I've learned not to overplay aces that was an early leak. Another fixed leak is folding the 2nd nuts when it is blatantly obvious that the other guy has it, this was a bit costly early.

In answering your question I believe players are worse (some are just completely clueless) and you can tell very quickly who the fish and who the players to watch out for are. I started to find it tricky to find juicy tables in HE (also got a bit bored of it) where as most tables in PLO are juicy and I find PLO a lot more interesting.

Beckenham Boy
30-09-2008, 01:00 PM
I have played 3 or 4 times at the 'Old Vic' Grosvenor casino on Edgware road now on Saturday nights.

Always a good crowd of people on the tables, even had a few croatian students on the table the Sat before the World cup game against them which was good banter. Pay the casino 3 every 30 mins and have to deal yourselves. Both small and big blinds are the same at 1 then no limit cash table.

Always end up leaving the place at 3 or 4 in the morning. I am normally rather drunk as well which not sure if a good thing.

I seem to come out all square every time though, I am careful and cautious enough to not get caught out with a losing hand when you know someone has you, but never seem to be able to increase my funds sufficiently. I think because I am too cautious as it is real currency (occassionaly people whack down the 50 notes if they are all chips in) which I am not sure I would do, even if I am pretty sure I will win.

se1eagle
30-09-2008, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
After a very quick start and then a constant run the old graph has stabilized a little.
Putting this down to a bit of variance. The past week has been comical. Last night I dropped four buy-ins in 10 minutes twice I'm basically showing my hand (nut flushes after the turn and getting called by morons with sets and the board miraculously pairing on the river, actually on one the guy hit quads :D) I quickly shut down before tilt set in...

I'm really enjoying it though, much more intriguing and thoughtful game than hold 'em. I've learned not to overplay aces that was an early leak. Another fixed leak is folding the 2nd nuts when it is blatantly obvious that the other guy has it, this was a bit costly early.

In answering your question I believe players are worse (some are just completely clueless) and you can tell very quickly who the fish and who the players to watch out for are. I started to find it tricky to find juicy tables in HE (also got a bit bored of it) where as most tables in PLO are juicy and I find PLO a lot more interesting.

Cool! Everyone says it's 'the future of poker' as the Holdem games are definitely getting tougher... Last year I played probably 500 hands but just never knew what to do when I face aggression without the nuts! Maybe I'll watch some vids and give it another go, I have enough trouble dealing with Holdem's variance though so PLO might make me suicidal! ;)

oz_da II
30-09-2008, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Beckenham Boy
I have played 3 or 4 times at the 'Old Vic' Grosvenor casino on Edgware road now on Saturday nights.

Always a good crowd of people on the tables, even had a few croatian students on the table the Sat before the World cup game against them which was good banter. Pay the casino 3 every 30 mins and have to deal yourselves.

Ughhh, deal yourselves?

$5/hr down here at the Crown (Melbourne), no "fee" at Adelaide but the rake is a bit annoying. Tipping dealers is against the law which I think is fantastic.

Is there a rake at the Old Vic?

oz_da II
30-09-2008, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Cool! Everyone says it's 'the future of poker' as the Holdem games are definitely getting tougher... Last year I played probably 500 hands but just never knew what to do when I face aggression without the nuts!

Fold, unless you are drawing to the nuts.

Originally posted by se1eagle
I have enough trouble dealing with Holdem's variance though so PLO might make me suicidal! ;)

Better sort that out before the transition :D Numerous buy-ins can disappear quite quickly but on the other hand they can accumulate quite quickly.

Beckenham Boy
30-09-2008, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Ughhh, deal yourselves?

$5/hr down here at the Crown (Melbourne), no "fee" at Adelaide but the rake is a bit annoying. Tipping dealers is against the law which I think is fantastic.

Is there a rake at the Old Vic?

Nope, hence the payment every so often when a casino official walks around to collect the 3.

There are a few tables with dealers but they are usually higher stakes tables - 10 blinds

iamanuplander
01-10-2008, 12:10 AM
I have played at the old vic and the lowest table you can play on that has a dealer is the 1/2 or 1/3 blinds. I love playing live because seeing other people and trying to gauge their reactions is a beautiful thing, much different to 9 tabling online. You can just play the player and have a disregard for what your cards are and i can say i am guilty of this :) You have to have a disregard for money to be serious about winning because if you play scared and can't go on your instinct you will never maximise your profit. So advice to you Beckenham boy would be to sit down with what you won't mind losing and play as if the money isn't even yours. You will be surprised by how much more you will win but don't come looking for me if you lose a couple of buy ins in the short term!

Well i say disregard for money, that is only what my feeling is towards it. A better description to use for the general population would be to play with what you can afford to lose, so there is no pressure. Im just saying the obvious to some of you anyway, but thought i would try and impose some tainted wisdom upon you all :D

iamanuplander
01-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Billyd
Well ive got 2 accounts, completely innocently! I downloaded the software on another computer but i couldnt log on for some reason so created another account. It turns out that there are 2 types of sun poker and $ version and a version and you need accounts for both even though they are the same!!!! whats the point i dont know. Anyway from now il be playing under billyd77

whats your username?

Mine is Ant040689, and you can't miss my ugly mug as my piccy. You will see me on the 0.50/1 and 0.25/0.50 limits of both and $ currencies cash rooms, often multiabling. Or i'm multitabling most of the tournaments they have on there between 10 and 30.

I will keep a look out for you definately, and would be nice to see a friendly tussle in a game. The result of which we can post up on here and either receive plaudits or a ring of boos :)

What limits do you play there? Our paths might not meet.

Billyd
02-10-2008, 11:27 AM
slightly lower limits but occasionally on those for mtts. Though without sounding like a bad loser am giving up due to amount of bad beats.

se1eagle
02-10-2008, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
slightly lower limits but occasionally on those for mtts. Though without sounding like a bad loser am giving up due to amount of bad beats.

I feel for you - MTT variance is truly sick. I've read several blogs of successful tournament players like mkind0516 without cashes in months saying they wish they'd learned to play cash games as the variance is easier to handle. Could be worth a try?

saul1664
02-10-2008, 03:58 PM
lost 8 consecutive 80% hands to runner runner straights

This was the best one, have about 10K, blinds 200/400, get 10 10, raise 3 x BB, two callers, flop comes 8 10 A rainbow, am last to act, and both other players put in pot sized bets, so I go all in. First caller has AK, which is fair enough, 2nd caller has J3 (kid you not), turn 7, river 9, he scoops a 3 way pot to go up to 36K.

Then I'm in a HORSE, am badly short stacked, about 2.3K, blinds 500/1000, on BB with 3Q, guy raises to 1K, call, flop is 3 6 7, he shoves me all in, I call hoping he has a draw, he has K10 and misses. Then I pick up K2 suited, still only have 4K in chips, raise to 1K, have 2 callers, flop comes down 2 spades, he puts in 500 I flat call, the other guy folds, get the flush, then check raise him to the river and get all his stack, to see his mighty K9 get crushed, then he starts telling me what a donk I am and how I should wait for a hand as there is no antes, I tell him I call with ATC, but he has no concept of stack size, pot commitment etc. and this is late stage. You'd think that someone who plays horse would know a few concepts about the game!

Billyd
02-10-2008, 03:59 PM
i need to try something else been running so badly recently every time i get QQ i run into KK etc. im getting outdrawn every hand it seems. Cant win a race let alone when im ahead. I even had a few days off still the same when i got back

Billyd
02-10-2008, 04:01 PM
check out the sng downswing

saul1664
02-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
i need to try something else been running so badly recently every time i get QQ i run into KK etc. im getting outdrawn every hand it seems. Cant win a race let alone when im ahead. I even had a few days off still the same when i got back

happens in cash games as well, only thing is you lose more, 4 bet pre flop twice and got AA in vs 55 (quads on flop) and AK (flush on turn). What can you do?

saul1664
02-10-2008, 04:24 PM
maybe the best player to ask is Paul R as he seems to be the best tourney player on here

se1eagle
02-10-2008, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
happens in cash games as well, only thing is you lose more, 4 bet pre flop twice and got AA in vs 55 (quads on flop) and AK (flush on turn). What can you do?

It does still happen but in cash games there's generally less shoving and more postflop play as the stacks are bigger relative to the blinds.

se1eagle
02-10-2008, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
check out the sng downswing

You're still doing really well, TBH I was expecting a lot worse. Don't think you need to do anything except not let the downswing affect you

Billyd
02-10-2008, 08:13 PM
yeah i guess. I made 3k in about 3 weeks from various tournies sngs and cash the following 4 weeks i have lost about 400 so could be worse.

GeeTee
02-10-2008, 08:40 PM
I see Tomas Brolin is playing in the London leg of the EPT (main event).

saul1664
03-10-2008, 06:34 AM
A sick night of poker, just going to bed now.

Two final tables, shame one was only $2 PLO H/L, but $60.

But then 7th in 30K guaranteed for $840.

Two reasons why I didn't win this tournament.

80K in chips, blinds are 1500/3000, get JJ in very early position, raise to 12K, player in mid division goes all in, he has about 90K, then behind him another reraises all in to 150K, think I can't possibly be ahead so fold, they both have AK, and to add insult to injury, would have got a FH. Is anyone calling here.

Then I play the short stack tight as a rock, survive a few 50/50s, get dissed for letting the timer run out every hand, as I am in last from 80 remaining to 18 remaining, but find the right spots to get up to 800K.

Then right on the bubble, get QQ, blinds are 15/30K now, one raiser before me to 60K, should have gone all in or reraised, K comes out on the board, I continue to bet on flop, but when he fires back on turn, I fold to his K8 which makes him two pair, and I lose 300K.

500K is still playable, but takes ages to get to final table and find I am whittled down to about 230K. Manage to outlast 3 players, then get all in 55 vs AK but then get outdrawn, shame as chip leader had 4M, and a lot of the others were short stacked, so had other chances to get up the ladder, but $900 from $12 buy in isn't too shabby.

Strathclyde Eagle
03-10-2008, 09:31 AM
Nice result Saul all the same, congrats. :p

oz_da II
03-10-2008, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
get dissed for letting the timer run out every hand, as I am in last from 80 remaining to 18 remaining.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo

:eek:

GeeTee
03-10-2008, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
A sick night of poker, just going to bed now.



I'm sure John Juanda and Stanislav Alekhin would agree. THe WSOPE main event final table was an absolute marathon and their heads up battle alone lasted over 7 hours!

Juanda won the bracelet, making quad sixes on the final hand.

Ivan Demidov came third, which is quite a story as he's one of the 'November Nine' and will be in second place when the WSOP ME ressumes next month.

PS - very well done Saul.

se1eagle
03-10-2008, 11:52 AM
Well done Saul

se1eagle
03-10-2008, 12:00 PM
QQ facing UTG raiser, 15BB deep. Watch the master at work:-

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=33usfhh&s=4

Chester
03-10-2008, 01:02 PM
Cant believe that heads up lasted 242 hands :eek:

Well done John Juanda. Was watching it yeterday, both the Russians looked really solid.

Nice scores Saul, i think you have to laydown the JJ in that spot

saul1664
03-10-2008, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
QQ facing UTG raiser, 15BB deep. Watch the master at work:-

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=33usfhh&s=4

Ha ha best player in the world. lol

saul1664
03-10-2008, 01:24 PM
What worried me with the QQ was the big stack to my left with 1.7M, who seemed to call every hand, and AK which no-one can seem to lay down ever, and theres a hell of a lot of difference between $180 and $840+, plus had made some nice pots by not reraising big pairs, though on reflection should have made it 200K to go, which is about the amount I put in the pot anyway.

iamanuplander
03-10-2008, 04:11 PM
if only i could show you all the tilts i had today, so irrational. Stuck 200 in 3 hours. I wanna smash this computa in, grrrrr. If only i could play without emotion all the time :(

Robotic, must be the way to be. or perhaps some beta blockers to calm me the **** down. Im not being serious about the drugs, but i am about my temperament at the moment! Playing 9 tables at a time on $0.50/$1 no limit is not the time or the place to get frustrated!

Billyd
03-10-2008, 05:32 PM
ive found tho of course we all run bad ive delt with it much better the moment i can feel myself playing badly i go down stakes then if its still goes badly have a few days off. always play better fresher.

Billyd
03-10-2008, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
if only i could show you all the tilts i had today, so irrational. Stuck 200 in 3 hours. I wanna smash this computa in, grrrrr. If only i could play without emotion all the time :(



does anyone find the worst thing about playing on tilt is you convince yourself everyone is bluffing you off the time?

saul1664
03-10-2008, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by iamanuplander
if only i could show you all the tilts i had today, so irrational. Stuck 200 in 3 hours. I wanna smash this computa in, grrrrr. If only i could play without emotion all the time :(

Robotic, must be the way to be. or perhaps some beta blockers to calm me the **** down. Im not being serious about the drugs, but i am about my temperament at the moment! Playing 9 tables at a time on $0.50/$1 no limit is not the time or the place to get frustrated!

who are you hevad khan

iamanuplander
03-10-2008, 07:26 PM
hevad khan in Wsop 2007 temperament wise perhaps, felt like a complete nutter earlier.

If your talking about how many tables he was known for playing at the same time, I can deal with 9 tables normally, for a nice little grind but today a red mist came over me and i was a calling station :( I play nine tables because effectively all i have to do is break even for the month to live off the 1000+ in bonus i get for playing long hours on that many tables.

It works out at 200 a week in rakeback, and a set 250 bonus you get monthly for getting over 5000mpps (player points) which i do, because i play on the site religiously. Also i get VIP status with will hill which give away free holidays at a 1/20 shot (i have won one :) ) , or other set promotions. I feel like i work for the site the way im bigging it up!

Remember you get no tax on your winnings and as i normally make on average 50 a day on top of the bonuses im doing alright for a student. If i take away tilt from my game i shud be able to start buying flashy stuff to annoy all my mates :o

But no question playing on nine tables means your not playing aswell as you could if u had only 3 up, but i can make more money stringing 9 tables together and playing ABC poker.

iamanuplander
03-10-2008, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Billyd
does anyone find the worst thing about playing on tilt is you convince yourself everyone is bluffing you off the time?

yup that was my downfall earlier kept on calling big bets more in hope they were bluffing instead of well thought out judgements on their play. As soon as i feel irrational agen im closing the laptop sharpish, capping the losses.

saul1664
05-10-2008, 12:03 AM
What does everybody think of Pokerstars double or nothing tourneys, your regular buy in, top 5 get paid. So if you pay $20 and $2, for example you get $40 for being in the top 5. Turbo levels, so blinds increase every 5 minutes, go up to all levels, have won two of these + 1 other STT, overturning a 8K to 1.2K final table stack. :p

saul1664
06-10-2008, 11:19 PM
What does everybody think of Pokerstars double or nothing tourneys, your regular buy in, top 5 get paid. So if you pay $20 and $2, for example you get $40 for being in the top 5. Turbo levels, so blinds increase every 5 minutes, go up to all levels, have won two of these + 1 other STT, overturning a 8K to 1.2K final table stack. :p

Anyone play in the sundays? Some bizarre play tonight so far. In a fair position 1st break thanks to this ...

PokerStars Game #20984756183: Tournament #112086149, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/06 19:14:01 ET
Table '112086149 199' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: sconzant (3165 in chips)
Seat 2: thomas30004 (6135 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 (7340 in chips)
Seat 4: nevadaluke (10710 in chips)
Seat 5: spineshank14 (3495 in chips)
Seat 6: shetzngrens (3230 in chips)
shetzngrens: posts small blind 50
sconzant: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Qh Td]
thomas30004: calls 100
saul1664: calls 100
nevadaluke: calls 100
sconzant said, "Fn Lucky river"
spineshank14: calls 100
shetzngrens: folds
sconzant: checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc 4h 3s]
sconzant: checks
thomas30004: checks
saul1664: bets 200
nevadaluke: folds
spineshank14: calls 200
sconzant: calls 200
thomas30004: calls 200
*** TURN *** [Tc 4h 3s] [Qd]
sconzant: checks
thomas30004: checks
saul1664: bets 400
spineshank14: folds
sconzant: folds
thomas30004: raises 600 to 1000
saul1664: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Tc 4h 3s Qd] [6c]
thomas30004: bets 4835 and is all-in
saul1664: calls 4835
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thomas30004: shows [As Kc] (high card Ace)
saul1664: shows [Qh Td] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
saul1664 collected 13020 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13020 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 4h 3s Qd 6c]
Seat 1: sconzant (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: thomas30004 showed [As Kc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: saul1664 showed [Qh Td] and won (13020) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 4: nevadaluke folded on the Flop
Seat 5: spineshank14 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: shetzngrens (small blind) folded before Flop

oz_da II
06-10-2008, 11:53 PM
AK is the nuts!

Wow you'll struggle to see big slick every played that poorly.

saul1664
07-10-2008, 02:20 AM
AK is the nuts!

Wow you'll struggle to see big slick every played that poorly.

Went out of both tourneys, got to 45K on the 6 handed then lost 15K, had AA, raised 3 x BB, other guy went all in with Q4 offsuit and rivered a gutshot straight, when it made my trips, then never really recovered, had about 18K left, when raising to 5K with 77, getting pushed all in, smelt of overcards and sure enough he had AJ, and sure enough he hit J on river.

Then in 30K, just make the cut off only have 11K in chips, 3 or 4 limpers to 44 in BB, push all in to get 4/5K in chips, guy with 40K in chips risks 25% of his stack with A6 off suit and hits 6 on turn. Bit frustrating for 4 hours play, picked up $50 from $15 entries.

SamTheOldGoat
07-10-2008, 08:30 AM
Morning all. Been away for nearly a month, no net, got married etc! How's everyone going, any epic scores? I'm about to get a modest roll back online so hopefully will be posting a lot more in here as soon as net at homes set up. Hope you're all good.

Pic for old times sake, marriage is good (after 3 1/2 weeks) :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/2917561983_7b7d665de4_o.jpg

Strathclyde Eagle
07-10-2008, 10:31 AM
Congrats Sam. :p

oz_da II
07-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Congrats and welcome back, STOG. :p

saul1664
07-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Very nice pic. Don't know what anyone has been doing in the sundays, seemed quiet over the weekend. 7th for $840 for me and some mid tourney cashes.

se1eagle
07-10-2008, 02:50 PM
Welcome back Sam! Solid brag! :)

Chester
07-10-2008, 02:53 PM
Congrats STOG :p

Billyd
07-10-2008, 08:07 PM
congrats. any honeymoon shots?!

iamanuplander
08-10-2008, 08:33 PM
congrats sam nice to see you posting back on here. I haven't hit any big scores as of yet recently but i am sure as hell trying :bash:

SamTheOldGoat
09-10-2008, 11:14 AM
Thanks for the kind words chaps! GL at the tables :)

David Amsalem
09-10-2008, 10:59 PM
Poker is such a cruel game isn't it?

Argh, I just can't for the life of me, beat some really poor players. They even started lecturing me, lol.

Back to the books for me I think.

Sigh!

Billyd
09-10-2008, 11:08 PM
beating poor players is just about patience, you gotta wait for the cards. they will pay you off when you get them

David Amsalem
09-10-2008, 11:16 PM
Yeah, I know what ya mean but I've been playing for about 5 hours, lol :p

se1eagle
09-10-2008, 11:18 PM
Poker is such a cruel game isn't it?

Argh, I just can't for the life of me, beat some really poor players. They even started lecturing me, lol.

Back to the books for me I think.

Sigh!

It's all about valuebetting - whenever there's a chance that a worse hand will possibly call you, bet and bet big. Generally, crap players' biggest leak is calling too much so we need to exploit that by betting a lot when we have the best hand. Their second biggest leak is not betting enough so fold to aggression from the passive players without a really decent hand and you should be well on your way to taking their money.

If you ever wanna do a sweat session let me know, have been doing a few lately and can be really helpful.

Reps AJ
10-10-2008, 06:04 PM
Damn :veryangry

Heads up on final table of MTT and get all the chips in TWICE only for him to hit his 3 outer on the river to win the hand. Not just once but twice :moo:

se1eagle
10-10-2008, 06:07 PM
Damn :veryangry

Heads up on final table of MTT and get all the chips in TWICE only for him to hit his 3 outer on the river to win the hand. Not just once but twice :moo:

Harsh... nice score though?

Reps AJ
10-10-2008, 06:07 PM
Still a 3rd and two 2nds this afternoon in MTTs :lux:

Makes up for the money I'm leaking badly at PLO :sob:

Reps AJ
10-10-2008, 06:08 PM
Harsh... nice score though?

Not really to be honest, was only playing low stakes but 1st gets a lot more than 2nd!!

saul1664
10-10-2008, 10:44 PM
PS replay feature is great. You can replay any hand from the start (goes too quick to really see properly) but then you can FF/REW each move at a time, also a quick way to see what cards people have been playing against you over a period of time.

saul1664
10-10-2008, 10:51 PM
It's not how often you win but how often you maximise your wins. Common mistakes by poor players are betting out of position (ATC), or betting small in position allowing you to hit your cards cheaply, and bluffing on the river. Won a hand earlier, had J high flush with 4 clubs on board, when I bet the river, he reraised me an extra $6.50 into a $20 pot and showed A10 for absolutely nothing.

Reraise consistently with AK AQ, but don't be afraid to put them down either. Search for tables with a consistent high pot (over $10 on a 0.25/0.50 table is a sure sign of loose play) or find tables where stacks are quite large (another sign of loose play) or find a table where someone has a really big stack, who will either be a good player who reads the game well so is unlikely to beat you with poor play, or will be a poor player who has got lucky and will be entering far more pots than he should. I tend to stay away from tables where players have the same amount of buy in, as usually represents tight players who are only going to give you action with premium hands.

saul1664
10-10-2008, 10:55 PM
Also not putting in enough money when you are well ahead. I had JA and board came J 8 4 (2 clubs), I bet half pot he reraised but not significantly so flat called, the third club came on the turn, meaning his turn bet was significantly lower than it should have been, and a 4th club on the river, meant he checked the pot down. If he had significantly bet out the flop, or even pushed all in he may have got all my stack, as he showed 44 at the river.

David Amsalem
11-10-2008, 08:30 PM
It's all about valuebetting - whenever there's a chance that a worse hand will possibly call you, bet and bet big. Generally, crap players' biggest leak is calling too much so we need to exploit that by betting a lot when we have the best hand. Their second biggest leak is not betting enough so fold to aggression from the passive players without a really decent hand and you should be well on your way to taking their money.

If you ever wanna do a sweat session let me know, have been doing a few lately and can be really helpful.

All good advice as ever.

To be honest se1, I'm not even sure what a sweat session is...?

BW_Palace
12-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Someone comes to watch you play and observe.

Doing well playing 2NL so far on Stars, built the freebie $5 from Stars up to $30 so far. Had a bit of a rocky patch midway when I made the transition from FR to 6-max but seem to have got the hang of it now (not that it's difficult against people running 70/2/0.5 and such!)

I'm basically wondering how many hands I really need before I can get good analysis of my stats (some people suggest 10k, but wouldn't VPIP/PFR etc converge pretty quickly?) - so far I'm at 25/15/2.5 over 1.4k hands.

oz_da II
12-10-2008, 12:21 AM
All good advice as ever.

To be honest se1, I'm not even sure what a sweat session is...?

Someone watches you play and makes comments about how you play.

se1eagle
12-10-2008, 12:27 AM
All good advice as ever.

To be honest se1, I'm not even sure what a sweat session is...?

Basically you download Mikogo (free from http://www.mikogo.com) and let me see your screen/holecards - we can then discuss on Skype the best play to make in different hands vs different players. If you're interested let me know, it's definitely helped my game

se1eagle
12-10-2008, 12:45 AM
Someone comes to watch you play and observe.

Doing well playing 2NL so far on Stars, built the freebie $5 from Stars up to $30 so far. Had a bit of a rocky patch midway when I made the transition from FR to 6-max but seem to have got the hang of it now (not that it's difficult against people running 70/2/0.5 and such!)

I'm basically wondering how many hands I really need before I can get good analysis of my stats (some people suggest 10k, but wouldn't VPIP/PFR etc converge pretty quickly?) - so far I'm at 25/15/2.5 over 1.4k hands.

VPIP/PFR do converge quickly - I think you've got enough to analyse these certainly, although winrate requires tons of hands. Are you using PT or Holdem Manager? Would be good to see your VPIP/PFR by position from UTG through to BB. If you're not already, you wanna be playing really tight UTG/SB/BB and pretty loose on the button and cutoff

I'd say you're probably playing a bit too loosely - a VPIP of 25 means you're probably playing more hands than is really profitable at lower limits, or unless you're insanely good.

Also you're calling too much preflop - ideally you want your VPIP/PFR to be closer together (so that you're almost always raising preflop with the hands that you do play), playing tight something like 17/15 and playing loose more like 22/18.

se1eagle
12-10-2008, 12:25 PM
For posting hands, can I recommend http://www.thehandconverter.com - it makes things much easier to read

1. Select phpBB forums as output format
2. Paste hand history into box
3. Tick Hide results if it's a strategy post, show results if it's a BBV post
4. Click Convert! and paste the output into a post on the BBS

BW_Palace
12-10-2008, 02:32 PM
VPIP/PFR do converge quickly - I think you've got enough to analyse these certainly, although winrate requires tons of hands. Are you using PT or Holdem Manager? Would be good to see your VPIP/PFR by position from UTG through to BB. If you're not already, you wanna be playing really tight UTG/SB/BB and pretty loose on the button and cutoff

I'd say you're probably playing a bit too loosely - a VPIP of 25 means you're probably playing more hands than is really profitable at lower limits, or unless you're insanely good.

Also you're calling too much preflop - ideally you want your VPIP/PFR to be closer together (so that you're almost always raising preflop with the hands that you do play), playing tight something like 17/15 and playing loose more like 22/18.

I think the biggest problem with my limping comes in the SB.

I:
a) complete too many hands (nearly any two suited :eek: )
b) don't raise enough if I have a playable hand (I just hate playing raised pots OOP) - e.g. I may not raise stuff like KJs in the SB even if it's limped round
c) I complete a speculative hand like 87s then spew off when the flop comes 8-high or something

I am quite loose from UTG though I've only had 100 hands there, quite possible just variance. I looked at the stuff I've played there and nothing seems to be *that* out of line, though I should probably cut out AT/AJ from my range there. The rest are pocket pairs/AK/AQ.

Definitely also looks like I'm too tight from the CO. Should I be raising stuff like QJo, KTo in that position?

se1eagle
12-10-2008, 02:53 PM
I think the biggest problem with my limping comes in the SB.

I:
a) complete too many hands (nearly any two suited :eek: )
b) don't raise enough if I have a playable hand (I just hate playing raised pots OOP) - e.g. I may not raise stuff like KJs in the SB even if it's limped round
c) I complete a speculative hand like 87s then spew off when the flop comes 8-high or something

I am quite loose from UTG though I've only had 100 hands there, quite possible just variance. I looked at the stuff I've played there and nothing seems to be *that* out of line, though I should probably cut out AT/AJ from my range there. The rest are pocket pairs/AK/AQ.

I think raising AT/AJ UTG is fine - my UTG range is 22+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo and it works out as about 12% of hands. Your stats are showing 18% UTG but as you say could be affected by the small sample size.

I agree the SB definitely looks like your biggest preflop leak - 48% is waay too loose - you're playing almost twice as loose in the SB as on the button and yet it's the worst position of the table! In some ways it's even worse being out of position in a limped pot as you don't have the initiative so definitely jack up pairs and decent broadway hands, complete multiway hands like Axs, 87s in multiway pots and fold the rest - it feels weak being so tight but the SB just burns money. To compensate tho I'd say you could probably loosen up a bit on the button and cutoff too.

se1eagle
12-10-2008, 02:58 PM
Definitely also looks like I'm too tight from the CO. Should I be raising stuff like QJo, KTo in that position?

Yup for sure, you can even be raising stuff like Axo if the blinds are tight

BW_Palace
12-10-2008, 04:02 PM
In the SB/BB should I be completing/calling a minraise with stuff like K9s/Q9s/J9s or are those all easy folds?

When you say decent broadways, is that stuff like KJo+?

se1eagle
12-10-2008, 06:18 PM
In the SB/BB should I be completing/calling a minraise with stuff like K9s/Q9s/J9s or are those all easy folds?


It's certainly not a mistake to fold them and it's probably the play that cuts down on the tough decisions you have to make out of position. If you're in a limped multiway pot then a hand like J9s or even Q9s can play well so completing's ok - however you probably don't want to call a raise as you're going to face a c-bet more often than not and you're out of position so often can't get value from monsters or control the size of the pot with marginals. You're really not looking to play a big pot with top pair, you're playing these hands to make straights or flushes

When you say decent broadways, is that stuff like KJo+?

I'd probably raise JTs, QJs, KJo+, QTs+ in the SB and fold the offsuit JT/QJ

David Amsalem
13-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Basically you download Mikogo (free from http://www.mikogo.com) and let me see your screen/holecards - we can then discuss on Skype the best play to make in different hands vs different players. If you're interested let me know, it's definitely helped my game

Very interested :p

I'm actually away for in a couple of days and intend on having a poker break but I'll definately play with Mikogo running next time and then I'll contact you :p

saul1664
14-10-2008, 12:40 AM
Crap day so far. A9 < QK, QK < 9 10 (hit 4 consecutive hearts inc. river to nail flush) and was 18th in PLO H/L when played a FH badly and beaten by bigger FH, only in HORSE now and pretty short stacked. Anyone else caning tourneys?

se1eagle
14-10-2008, 01:23 PM
Very interested :p

I'm actually away for in a couple of days and intend on having a poker break but I'll definately play with Mikogo running next time and then I'll contact you :p

It's actually a live thing - we'd need to arrange a time when you wanted to play and then chat together in real-time as you play. If you wanted to simply make a video that would be possible too, but you'd need to use Camstudio from http://camstudio.org/ to record the session

David Amsalem
14-10-2008, 05:34 PM
OK then mate, that still sounds good to me.

When I get back to the tables, I'll let you know :p

Billyd
15-10-2008, 12:08 AM
check this out for losing the minimum with the nut flush, so pleased with myself for this:


Table '113314966 51' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jrdogan (36460 in chips)
Seat 2: OhScissorMe (22588 in chips)
Seat 3: da ItchY 84 (56970 in chips)
Seat 5: Mikedagreat1 (75218 in chips)
Seat 6: ranko (98258 in chips)
Seat 7: dcoop4506 (30498 in chips)
Seat 9: billyd77 (152875 in chips)
jrdogan: posts the ante 200
OhScissorMe: posts the ante 200
da ItchY 84: posts the ante 200
Mikedagreat1: posts the ante 200
ranko: posts the ante 200
dcoop4506: posts the ante 200
billyd77: posts the ante 200
jrdogan: posts small blind 1000
OhScissorMe: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Ad Qd]
da ItchY 84: folds
Mikedagreat1: raises 4000 to 6000
ranko: folds
dcoop4506: folds
billyd77: calls 6000
jrdogan: folds
OhScissorMe: folds
*** FLOP *** [3c 2d 6d]
Mikedagreat1: checks
billyd77: checks
*** TURN *** [3c 2d 6d] [8s]
Mikedagreat1: bets 8000
billyd77: calls 8000
*** RIVER *** [3c 2d 6d 8s] [8d]
Mikedagreat1: bets 20000
billyd77: calls 20000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mikedagreat1: shows [3d 3s] (a full house, Threes full of Eights)
billyd77: shows [Ad Qd] (a flush, Ace high)
Mikedagreat1 collected 72400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 72400 | Rake 0
Board [3c 2d 6d 8s 8d]
Seat 1: jrdogan (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: OhScissorMe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: da ItchY 84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mikedagreat1 showed [3d 3s] and won (72400) with a full house, Threes full of Eights
Seat 6: ranko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dcoop4506 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: billyd77 (button) showed [Ad Qd] and lost with a flush, Ace high

Billyd
15-10-2008, 12:10 AM
oh and if anyone is online im down to last 15 from 1000 in an mtt

Billyd
15-10-2008, 01:08 AM
came 8th bollox :(

Chester
15-10-2008, 02:15 AM
Have played 4 sngs so far.

Have lost kk to trip 9's, all in on the flop 9 on the river, runner runner straight and runner runner flush. Lets see what the last one has in order. Im almost glad im about to go through a hurricane so i cant play for a while!

Chester
15-10-2008, 03:00 AM
Well nothing very eventful in the last one. Blind v blind that hit a full house :D

Dont know if any of you guys have been watching the WSOP coverage but if you saw Helmuth act like a twat last week watch him in this weeks episode :eek:

Edit: had a put down this evening that made me laugh. I raised in mp with AK, called by the button. Flop AKx, 2 spades. I put in half/2 3rds bet, call, turn blank, 2/3 pot, call. river completes the flush draw leaving me with the easy push due to stack sizes and he calls obv with 64s for the flush.

2 hands later he hits runner runner straight all in pf vs QQ and AA with 109o.

I say "worlds biggest luckbox"

Him" I thought that was between your mums legs"

Have to admit it made me chuckle and I had no comeback

saul1664
15-10-2008, 04:18 AM
Have lost in 10 tournaments in a row with the better hand, anything from 55/45 to 80/20, hoping to get a lucky one soon to even things out.

Billyd
16-10-2008, 03:16 PM
Edit: had a put down this evening that made me laugh. I raised in mp with AK, called by the button. Flop AKx, 2 spades. I put in half/2 3rds bet, call, turn blank, 2/3 pot, call. river completes the flush draw leaving me with the easy push due to stack sizes and he calls obv with 64s for the flush.



Unlucky. Just for the record though you should however have just got the chips in on the turn if your commiting it on the river regardless.

Billyd
16-10-2008, 03:34 PM
Have lost in 10 tournaments in a row with the better hand, anything from 55/45 to 80/20, hoping to get a lucky one soon to even things out.


i had a period like that a couple of weeks ago was losing every hand. Now im running like god :)

se1eagle
18-10-2008, 04:51 PM
Since we can now post YouTube videos thought I'd test it with the first part of the excellent 'Unconventional Wisdom' series from DC. Be warned though, this is aimed at midstakes rather than low limits!

The full first episode's available in 8 chunks at http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TmPqljf1vQA&feature=related or the first chunk is below:-

TmPqljf1vQA

BW_Palace
18-10-2008, 07:18 PM
My roll's up to $48 now...not long to go hopefully before moving up to the heady heights of 5NL. :D

se1eagle
18-10-2008, 11:46 PM
My roll's up to $48 now...not long to go hopefully before moving up to the heady heights of 5NL. :D

Cool! Check your PMs for some useful vids :)

BW_Palace
19-10-2008, 12:21 PM
yup. I happened to sign up for the DC 7-day free trial anyway :)

My ridiculous heater (2k hands at 2NL 6-max, running 94BB/100) continues, meaning I'm up to $53.

saul1664
21-10-2008, 07:07 PM
Crap, bubbled in 10th, in 1900 runner 5K guaranteed. 200K blinds 6K/12K, get AK, late pos, raise to 72K, two players out of position go all in, if I fold I have 140K left and probably make final table, but call to try to win the tourney, up against 10 10 and A 7, board no good go out in 10th for $80, how lame.

Billyd
21-10-2008, 08:53 PM
thats a massive raise pre saul!!! if you raise less you can easily get yourself out the hand with damaged limitation. Or if you just push straight in you prob get 10 10 to fold

saul1664
21-10-2008, 09:00 PM
Yeah I thought that afterwards, but had been pretty tight and big stack to my right had been raising every hand, so either wanted him to get all in with atc or scoop up the blinds. A7 went all in first then the 10 10 called behind so he calls to pre flop all in I think. I'd call.

GeeTee
23-10-2008, 10:40 AM
Last month I won a 300 piece custom chip set from FLU$H magazine. The supplier was Premier Poker Chips and I had to send off a design and details of the colour split I wanted.

Here's the design I came up with (the native American design I pinched and just changed the colours - the flip side is my own work).

http://my-expressions.com/up_media/2185/proofset.jpg

I highly recommend these guys - the chips turned up the other day and are superb.

Happily, I won 50 the first time I used them too!

Chester
23-10-2008, 01:10 PM
Very Nice. Im looking to get a custom set for xmas.

Does anyone play the double or nothings on Stars? Thoug id give them a try yesterday and wanted to stab myself in the eye. They are the dullest form of poker out there. I can see with a high volume you could turn a profit but they were boring as anything

se1eagle
23-10-2008, 01:19 PM
Last month I won a 300 piece custom chip set from FLU$H magazine. The supplier was Premier Poker Chips and I had to send off a design and details of the colour split I wanted.


Awesome! What did you do to win it?

SamTheOldGoat
23-10-2008, 09:11 PM
Chester, do they run as turbos, I'd play them as turbos but not anything else!

iamanuplander
23-10-2008, 10:15 PM
I used to play the double your monies religiously on will hill, and chester your right you can turn a profit from them in the long run because many a people get fed up with the war of attrition, and start going mental. Wouldn't recommened to those that are impatient.

Paul Romain
23-10-2008, 10:26 PM
Yeah I thought that afterwards, but had been pretty tight and big stack to my right had been raising every hand, so either wanted him to get all in with atc or scoop up the blinds. A7 went all in first then the 10 10 called behind so he calls to pre flop all in I think. I'd call.

just unlucky - I'm getting it in there whatever way it plays I think. you raise smaller and one of the blinds resteal shoves theres no way I'm folding AK - you're ahead a lot of the time and the pots odds are always going to be there. If he just three bets I'm four bet shoving with AK - same reason. If you shove pre-flop it looks like you're just trying to blow blinds away and TT is always calling. You'll get called by a lot worse too

Billyd
23-10-2008, 11:31 PM
If you shove pre-flop it looks like you're just trying to blow blinds away and TT is always calling. You'll get called by a lot worse too


No way is 10 10 ALWAYS calling. I know you need to accumalte chips but people dont put their tourney lifes on at BEST a coin flip. Of course re reraising all in with 10 10 was the only option here but calling off is not a good play. Good players dont like calling thier chips with races

Chester
24-10-2008, 01:13 AM
Chester, do they run as turbos, I'd play them as turbos but not anything else!

Turbo's and regular. Have given up on the regular ones after last night as it was painful.

I think they are a decent way of supplementing your income if you are multi tabling other games and have a couple of these going in the background as you dont need to do anything literally. Simple push bot poker

GeeTee
24-10-2008, 01:30 PM
Awesome! What did you do to win it?

Just answered a simple question - who won this year's WSOP $50k H.O.R.S.E bracelet? - emailed it thorugh and I was first out of the hat.

GeeTee
24-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Very Nice. Im looking to get a custom set for xmas.

Their 300 piece sets are 180.

Chester
24-10-2008, 01:50 PM
ty, will probably get mine from the states. Im looking through this site a the moment www.chiptalk.net

saul1664
24-10-2008, 04:06 PM
Why do you assume they are good players. 10 10 was last to act and hadn't entered pot, I raised to 72K, player behind raised his whole stack on A7 about 300K, and 10 10 called (with no liability in the pot for his remaining 300K), against a raise and reraise. So yes I think he calls if I push 200K all in.

Reps AJ
24-10-2008, 06:55 PM
Was I "lol so lucky"?

** Hand # 1069232751 starting - 2008-10-24 19:42:03
** Barbary [Omaha] (0.15|0.30 PL - Cash Game) Real Money

Hero sitting in seat 1 with $55.41[Dealer]
royal-bambi sitting in seat 2 with $35.95
ASM14 sitting in seat 3 with $24.49
Tarawera sitting in seat 4 with $45.71
chazza251 sitting in seat 5 with $23.32
royal-bambi posted the small blind - $0.15
ASM14 posted the big blind - $0.30

** Dealing cards to Hero: 9d, Ac, 3c, 3d
Tarawera called - $0.30
chazza251 folded
Hero called - $0.30
royal-bambi called - $0.30
ASM14 bet - $1.50
Tarawera called - $1.50
Hero called - $1.50
royal-bambi called - $1.50

** Dealing the flop: 3h, 8d, 2d
royal-bambi checked
ASM14 bet - $6.00
Tarawera called - $6.00
Hero called - $6.00
royal-bambi folded

** Dealing the turn: 2h
ASM14 went all-in - $17.29
Tarawera called - $17.29
Hero went all-in - $47.91
Tarawera went all-in - $20.92

** Dealing the river: Ks
Tarawera shows: Jc, 2s, Js, Kd
Hero shows: 9d, Ac, 3c, 3d
ASM14 mucks: Ah, 7s, Ad, 7h
Hero wins $72.87 from the main pot
Hero wins $41.84 from side pot 1
ASM14> lol so lucky

Strathclyde Eagle
25-10-2008, 08:19 AM
He's overplayed AA, a common Omaha mistake from what I've read here.

Reps AJ
25-10-2008, 09:01 AM
He's overplayed AA, a common Omaha mistake from what I've read here.

That's what I thought - he didn't even have the nut flush draw (not that it would have helped against my full house).

The only thing I think I should have done differently was reraise on the flop instead of flat calling to try and protect against a flush draw but that doesn't necessarily work in Omaha

Paul Romain
25-10-2008, 01:25 PM
No way is 10 10 ALWAYS calling. I know you need to accumalte chips but people dont put their tourney lifes on at BEST a coin flip. Of course re reraising all in with 10 10 was the only option here but calling off is not a good play. Good players dont like calling thier chips with races

They do at that stage of the tournament! That is an automatic call with TT there as you are going to be way ahead of a raise and reraise ranges a LOT of the time given the chip stacks, blinds and the fact its on the final table bubble

Post the hand history on P5s or 2+2 and see the abuse you get if you even remotely suggest folding TT there is a good play

se1eagle
25-10-2008, 01:37 PM
The only thing I think I should have done differently was reraise on the flop instead of flat calling to try and protect against a flush draw but that doesn't necessarily work in Omaha

I know little about Omaha but shouldn't that be a fold preflop?

Billyd
25-10-2008, 01:57 PM
They do at that stage of the tournament! That is an automatic call with TT there as you are going to be way ahead of a raise and reraise ranges a LOT of the time given the chip stacks, blinds and the fact its on the final table bubble

Post the hand history on P5s or 2+2 and see the abuse you get if you even remotely suggest folding TT there is a good play


I think the bloke who had 10 10 played it fine, what im saying if the 2 people had gone all in and then calling with 10 10 with 2 people all in would not be a good call

eddieskyclad
25-10-2008, 02:00 PM
I know very little about online poker but I'm in a bit of a gambling mood and just fancy a game... Since I have money in my Sky Bet account is Sky Poker relatively decent?

Reps AJ
25-10-2008, 02:06 PM
I know little about Omaha but shouldn't that be a fold preflop?

Maybe, maybe not. There was enough money in pre-flop and its an either it hit flop hard or fold hand (plus I'd doubled my buy in and could afford to play a little)

se1eagle
25-10-2008, 02:13 PM
Maybe, maybe not. There was enough money in pre-flop and its an either it hit flop hard or fold hand (plus I'd doubled my buy in and could afford to play a little)

I'm not professing to know, but seems like quite a trouble hand to me. Bottom set is supposedly rarely good in the face of aggression in Omaha. It's got the nut club flush draw but surely you're not going to be too confident with a 9-high diamond flush and it's very unconnected?

se1eagle
25-10-2008, 02:14 PM
I know very little about online poker but I'm in a bit of a gambling mood and just fancy a game... Since I have money in my Sky Bet account is Sky Poker relatively decent?

I've got a friend who enjoys playing on it - I don't think it's meant to be very good for serious players but for a bit of fun I'm sure it's fine!

BW_Palace
25-10-2008, 02:25 PM
I know very little about online poker but I'm in a bit of a gambling mood and just fancy a game... Since I have money in my Sky Bet account is Sky Poker relatively decent?

You'll lose money, don't do it.

Unless you're playing me obviously.

Reps AJ
25-10-2008, 02:49 PM
I'm not professing to know, but seems like quite a trouble hand to me. Bottom set is supposedly rarely good in the face of aggression in Omaha. It's got the nut club flush draw but surely you're not going to be too confident with a 9-high diamond flush and it's very unconnected?

Pre-flop it is a speculative hand - nut flush, pair and poss low straight - only the 9 isn't helping. Its certainly not a brilliant hand but with 3 other players in the pot I thought it was worth seeing a flop with

On the flop its 2nd set (only trip 8s beating it) and its a full house on the turn

eddieskyclad
25-10-2008, 03:29 PM
You'll lose money, don't do it.

Unless you're playing me obviously.
Why do I get the feeling you're trying to hustle me Brian? ;)

Anyways if anyone cares I entered a 23 player tournament with a 2.20 buy in and finished in 2nd place with a massive prize of 13.80. :afro:

Now maybe this is my new vocation in life. Or maybe it was just beginners luck as I really don't have a clue what I'm doing...

Either way I think I'm going to have one or two more goes and then step out gracefully.

Son of Selhurst
25-10-2008, 11:12 PM
Well I hope you all read the GOM article about cheating onlline poker sites. It's now the norm apparently. You read it here first.... very early on in this very thread in fact....

Billyd
26-10-2008, 01:48 PM
Well I hope you all read the GOM article about cheating onlline poker sites. It's now the norm apparently. You read it here first.... very early on in this very thread in fact....


link?

eddieskyclad
26-10-2008, 10:29 PM
Don't suppose anyone cares but I ended up entering the Sunday Showdown on SkyBet. 630 entries, I'm currently sat 22nd out of the 65 players.

Watch me on Sky Channel 865 ;)

eddieskyclad
26-10-2008, 10:36 PM
Meh.

Finished 53rd and got wiped out by a backdoor straight... probably my own stupid naive fault and it wouldn't be so bad but I was sitting quite pretty and really didn't need to play.

Still it was a giggle and I made 30 so I can't complain.

se1eagle
27-10-2008, 07:49 PM
Meh.

Finished 53rd and got wiped out by a backdoor straight... probably my own stupid naive fault and it wouldn't be so bad but I was sitting quite pretty and really didn't need to play.

Still it was a giggle and I made 30 so I can't complain.

Well done! A pretty good start - great for your first attempt!

Billyd
27-10-2008, 10:36 PM
this is how i run


Table '116833617 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DerClou (1877 in chips)
Seat 2: The Storm 07 (1275 in chips)
Seat 3: Gdela (1245 in chips)
Seat 5: Leike (1685 in chips)
Seat 6: dumptyhumpty (1348 in chips)
Seat 7: billyd77 (2630 in chips)
Seat 8: zeroes9 (1160 in chips)
Seat 9: karoloko24 (1385 in chips)
Gdela: posts small blind 15
Leike: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Jc Jd]
dumptyhumpty: raises 60 to 90
billyd77: calls 90
zeroes9: folds
karoloko24: folds
DerClou: folds
The Storm 07: folds
Gdela: folds
Leike: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 4s 7c]
dumptyhumpty: bets 120
billyd77: raises 210 to 330
dumptyhumpty: raises 928 to 1258 and is all-in
billyd77: calls 928
*** TURN *** [3h 4s 7c] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [3h 4s 7c 8s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dumptyhumpty: shows [Qs Js] (a flush, Queen high)
billyd77: shows [Jc Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
dumptyhumpty collected 2741 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2741 | Rake 0
Board [3h 4s 7c 8s 5s]
Seat 1: DerClou folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: The Storm 07 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Gdela (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Leike (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dumptyhumpty showed [Qs Js] and won (2741) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 7: billyd77 showed [Jc Jd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: zeroes9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: karoloko24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Billyd
27-10-2008, 11:16 PM
getting silly

okerStars Game #21548272896: Tournament #116842581, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/10/27 19:14:40 ET
Table '116842581 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Wardenover99 (2330 in chips)
Seat 3: menusier (1075 in chips)
Seat 4: billyd77 (1390 in chips)
Seat 5: campinglive (1360 in chips)
Seat 6: Mossy17 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: StillBrown (1838 in chips)
Seat 8: Jokert666 (1390 in chips)
Seat 9: TuNutz4Yu (1142 in chips)
Wardenover99: posts small blind 15
menusier: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Jc Js]
billyd77: raises 90 to 120
campinglive: folds
Mossy17: folds
StillBrown: folds
Jokert666: folds
TuNutz4Yu: folds
Wardenover99: folds
menusier: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [5h 4d 3h]
menusier: checks
billyd77: bets 210
menusier: calls 210
*** TURN *** [5h 4d 3h] [5c]
menusier: bets 745 and is all-in
billyd77: calls 745
*** RIVER *** [5h 4d 3h 5c] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
menusier: shows [3d 2c] (a full house, Threes full of Fives)
billyd77: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
menusier collected 2165 from pot
billyd77 said, "cool well played"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2165 | Rake 0
Board [5h 4d 3h 5c 3s]
Seat 1: Wardenover99 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: menusier (big blind) showed [3d 2c] and won (2165) with a full house, Threes full of Fives
Seat 4: billyd77 showed [Jc Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fives
Seat 5: campinglive folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Mossy17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: StillBrown folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Jokert666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TuNutz4Yu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Billyd
27-10-2008, 11:58 PM
on super tilt on sharkscope now. prob the most bad beats ive ever had in one night since playing poker. prob played about 10 tournies and outdrawn in every single one

Table '116851357 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: anppc R.S. (1605 in chips)
Seat 2: 1bttn2shy (1597 in chips)
Seat 4: amano010 (1290 in chips)
Seat 5: Henrique909 (1230 in chips)
Seat 6: JoeHiggins (2045 in chips)
Seat 7: billyd77 (2605 in chips)
Seat 8: docksta (1328 in chips)
Seat 9: sandstorm192 (1800 in chips)
JoeHiggins: posts small blind 15
billyd77: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Ah Ac]
docksta: folds
sandstorm192: folds
anppc R.S.: folds
1bttn2shy: folds
amano010: folds
Henrique909: folds
JoeHiggins: raises 60 to 90
billyd77: raises 120 to 210
JoeHiggins: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kh 2h]
JoeHiggins: bets 420
billyd77: raises 420 to 840
JoeHiggins: raises 420 to 1260
billyd77: raises 1135 to 2395 and is all-in
JoeHiggins: calls 575 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (560) returned to billyd77
*** TURN *** [Qh Kh 2h] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Kh 2h Ts] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoeHiggins: shows [8h 5h] (a flush, King high)
billyd77: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
JoeHiggins collected 4090 from pot
billyd77 said, "really well done ...."
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4090 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Kh 2h Ts 4s]
Seat 1: anppc R.S. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 1bttn2shy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: amano010 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Henrique909 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: JoeHiggins (small blind) showed [8h 5h] and won (4090) with a flush, King high
Seat 7: billyd77 (big blind) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: docksta folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: sandstorm192 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

iamanuplander
28-10-2008, 01:32 AM
i will add to it but im claiming this is not a bad beat so wont have to go into the other thread, as i am looking for advice on if anyone can tell me if they have seen many plays like the man i was up against was doing. By the river when i got re re raised i knew i was done for but had to pay him off becos of the pot odds. By the way i thought i had a read on him the whole time on him going fo a flush draw at any cost (so i made sure i was getting the money in big as he was chasing) so was dismayed when the two pair hit for him on the river. Erm from his betting i conjured he didnt have the queen nor that he was particularly strong on the flop and the turn. On the river he knew that i had re raised small bets of his so he layed a trap that i walked straight into and upon criticising my own play i know i should have flat called the action. But my heart sed milk him dry and i was ultimately impressed with my play up until his fluke river. Enjoy!

Game #8165582934: Hold'em NL (0.25/0.50) - 2008/10/28 - 01:21:02 (UK)
Table "Asgera" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Ant040689 (89.19 in chips)
Seat 2: Footyking (61.67 in chips)
Seat 3: Mikei2807 (46.13 in chips)
Seat 4: Flakes000 (29.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Powertap (87.62 in chips)
Seat 6: Petr0504 (60.63 in chips)
Footyking: posts small blind 0.25
Mikei2807: posts big blind 0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [Jh Js]
Flakes000: folds
Powertap: folds
Petr0504: folds
Ant040689: raises to 2
Footyking: calls 1.75
Mikei2807: calls 1.50
----- FLOP ----- [3s 7c Tc]
Footyking: checks
Mikei2807: bets 1.50
Ant040689: raises to 6
Footyking: folds
Mikei2807: calls 4.50
----- TURN ----- [3s 7c Tc][Qh]
Mikei2807: bets 1.50
Ant040689: raises to 9
Mikei2807: calls 7.50
----- RIVER ----- [3s 7c Tc Qh][2d]
Mikei2807: bets 3.50
Ant040689: raises to 12
Mikei2807: raises to 20.50
Ant040689: calls 8.50
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Mikei2807: shows [2c Td] (Two Pairs, Tens and Twos, Queen high)
Ant040689: mucks hand [Jh Js]
Mikei2807 collected 74 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 77 Main pot 74 Rake 3
Board [3s 7c Tc Qh 2d]
Seat 1: Ant040689 (button) mucked [Jh Js]
Seat 2: Footyking (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Mikei2807 (big blind) showed [2c Td] and won (74) with Two Pairs, Tens and Twos, Queen high
Seat 4: Flakes000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Powertap folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Petr0504 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Billyd
28-10-2008, 01:47 AM
was fine up untill the river. you should have just flat called

oz_da II
28-10-2008, 02:02 AM
I can smell that river play from here... :g

He got you with the "Doyle Brunson" and the any pair will do tactic.

Billyd
31-10-2008, 01:25 AM
PokerStars Game #21631904551: Tournament #116555264, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2008/10/30 21:22:32 ET
Table '116555264 18' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: fatcat20 (2785 in chips)
Seat 2: pampero333 (4760 in chips)
Seat 3: billyd77 (2410 in chips)
Seat 4: edenct (6260 in chips)
Seat 5: Burluga (565 in chips)
Seat 6: Mintzee (11825 in chips)
Seat 7: stokeski (2263 in chips)
Seat 8: mama12345 (6022 in chips)
Seat 9: Dish4you (4084 in chips)
fatcat20: posts the ante 20
pampero333: posts the ante 20
billyd77: posts the ante 20
edenct: posts the ante 20
Burluga: posts the ante 20
Mintzee: posts the ante 20
stokeski: posts the ante 20
mama12345: posts the ante 20
Dish4you: posts the ante 20
billyd77: posts small blind 75
edenct: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [4c Qc]
Burluga: folds
Mintzee: calls 150
stokeski: calls 150
mama12345: folds
Dish4you: calls 150
fatcat20: folds
pampero333: folds
billyd77: calls 75
edenct: checks
*** FLOP *** [Td Jd Qd]
billyd77: checks
edenct: checks
Mintzee: checks
stokeski: bets 150
Dish4you: folds
billyd77: calls 150
edenct: folds
Mintzee: folds
*** TURN *** [Td Jd Qd] [Qh]
billyd77: checks
stokeski: bets 150
billyd77: calls 150
*** RIVER *** [Td Jd Qd Qh] [Jc]
billyd77: checks
stokeski: bets 1793 and is all-in
billyd77: calls 1793
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stokeski: shows [8d 9d] (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
billyd77: shows [4c Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks)
stokeski collected 5116 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5116 | Rake 0
Board [Td Jd Qd Qh Jc]
Seat 1: fatcat20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pampero333 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: billyd77 (small blind) showed [4c Qc] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Jacks
Seat 4: edenct (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Burluga folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Mintzee folded on the Flop
Seat 7: stokeski showed [8d 9d] and won (5116) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 8: mama12345 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Dish4you folded on the Flop



jokerstars

GeeTee
31-10-2008, 01:00 PM
Can anyone make a case for why stokeski bet that flop?

PS - unlucky Billy

Chester
31-10-2008, 01:45 PM
Im running like Billy at the moment its hilarious. Being outdrawn at every opportunity and i seriously cant remember the last time i won with AA or KK. Great fun

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 06:42 PM
on a final table now on full tilt if anyone fancies a rail my name is "anup returns". $12,500 GTD. Cue the possible tiltage and/or bad luck, through the jynxing i may have caused.

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:00 PM
on a final table now on full tilt if anyone fancies a rail my name is "anup returns". $12,500 GTD. Cue the possible tiltage and/or bad luck, through the jynxing i may have caused.

No exits for a while...

I smell a huge 'shovefest' very soon. :eek:

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 07:09 PM
i missed it but two exited very quickly

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:15 PM
Same hand, 2no. ace rags vs "Pokervsluck's" 66. He's terrible.
Ace rags don't improve.

Flop straight vs "terrible", nice one. :p
What did he have?

se1eagle
31-10-2008, 07:17 PM
Can anyone make a case for why stokeski bet that flop?

Value - it's 5 way on the flop and he bets 150 into about 900. There's a ton of hands that call or raise him - A diamonds at least calls for sure, two pair/sets/AK/89/flushes all probably raise..

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 07:19 PM
he had KJ against my flopped straight and i couldn't believe it

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:23 PM
KJ? wow

Was obvious that you had the goods.

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:24 PM
His constant pre-flop "limp fold" move is superb. :D

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 07:31 PM
oz u see the last hand u think i played it badly?

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 07:32 PM
in my opinion i was 50/50 as to whether to do tht, i was slightly tilted that i didnt have second place in the bag, probably shud have waited

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:35 PM
Yeah ace on the river. :(
Poor play from him... What's he beating?

Not much time to waste for a better spot with those blinds. I'd do the same. You'd love to have time to grind that clown down...

Well done on the cash. :p

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 07:37 PM
ty looooooooooooooooong game. if this tourney result didnt come through i wud have only had $83 in my account. Btw is ure FT screen name runsobad?

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:43 PM
Nope, not me. I hate those kind of names. :clown:

Terrible bloke rightly loses heads-up, abysmal.

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 07:45 PM
he kept me in the tourney throughout the early stages with gifts so i was loving him, abysmal he may be, but a poker buddy for life :)

oz_da II
31-10-2008, 07:45 PM
Classy exit from the winner.

Types in "donk" and leaves. :clown:

iamanuplander
31-10-2008, 09:05 PM
i missed it but rather funny. I always close the game after i go out of a tourney and don't give to sh*ts about how it turns out, unless a friend is involved.

Cheers for the rail Oz, i will keep u noted on any other tournies i'm running late into, i may attempt again tonight after the huge bankroll increase today. Hopefully the start of a proper massive bankroll, this time i know how i would handle one. Its basically to avoid Blackjack at all costs!!!!!! :)

se1eagle
01-11-2008, 04:40 AM
Awesome I just won $85.72 and $142.87 in Party Poker's Mega Jackpot promotion! Can't complain about that!

saul1664
01-11-2008, 08:32 AM
Got a free DVD with poker player magazine that gives tournament concepts, one of them which is picking up blinds before the levels go up by being aggressive whilst in position. So tried it in a tourney. Had 99 in position. Small stack calls 950 all in, guy in front of him flat calls him (he has about 5K in chips), I have 5K in chips, reckon his hand can't be that great, because he hasn't tried to isolate the pot, so I push him all in and he insta calls for his whole stack.

Small stack has 89, the other guy has 10 K, first two cards out are 10 K for his two pair, and I miss my one outer. Well that tactic worked.

PoolKing
01-11-2008, 02:45 PM
Got a free DVD with poker player magazine that gives tournament concepts, one of them which is picking up blinds before the levels go up by being aggressive whilst in position. So tried it in a tourney. Had 99 in position. Small stack calls 950 all in, guy in front of him flat calls him (he has about 5K in chips), I have 5K in chips, reckon his hand can't be that great, because he hasn't tried to isolate the pot, so I push him all in and he insta calls for his whole stack.

Small stack has 89, the other guy has 10 K, first two cards out are 10 K for his two pair, and I miss my one outer. Well that tactic worked.

I find players so loose in the early stages of tournaments and whenever I am aggressive with a pair I always seem to lose against a random hand like K7 :grrr:

Billyd
01-11-2008, 05:28 PM
Got a free DVD with poker player magazine that gives tournament concepts, one of them which is picking up blinds before the levels go up by being aggressive whilst in position.




terrible advice, dont like to get involved with anything early on other than the nuts. people will just call with anything anyway. if i get aces or kings early on i have to raise 7x bb in order to only get one or 2 callers

saul1664
01-11-2008, 07:09 PM
terrible advice, dont like to get involved with anything early on other than the nuts. people will just call with anything anyway. if i get aces or kings early on i have to raise 7x bb in order to only get one or 2 callers

He doesn't mean early as in early in the tournament, but as a weapon to build chip stacks, think blind levels were 75/150, short stack goes all in for 950, he flat calls 950, I go all in behind for 5K, and he insta calls holding 10h Kh, what hand range is he ahead of there?

Billyd
01-11-2008, 08:38 PM
wasnt referring to that, your play with 99 was fine

Billyd
02-11-2008, 01:58 AM
this bloke was playing like a maniac and this happens:

PokerStars Game #21684538964: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/11/01 21:56:46 ET
Table 'Sarin II' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: billyd77 ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 2: KAROyal ($112.70 in chips)
billyd77: posts small blind $0.50
KAROyal: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Js Qs]
billyd77: raises $2 to $3
KAROyal: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Ks 2s 9s]
KAROyal: checks
billyd77: bets $4
KAROyal: raises $8 to $12
billyd77: raises $18 to $30
KAROyal: raises $18 to $48
billyd77: raises $46.50 to $94.50 and is all-in
KAROyal: calls $46.50
*** TURN *** [Ks 2s 9s] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 2s 9s Kc] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KAROyal: shows [As 8s] (a flush, Ace high)
billyd77: mucks hand
KAROyal collected $194.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $195 | Rake $0.50
Board [Ks 2s 9s Kc 2c]
Seat 1: billyd77 (button) (small blind) mucked [Js Qs]
Seat 2: KAROyal (big blind) showed [As 8s] and won ($194.50) with a flush, Ace high

Billyd
02-11-2008, 01:59 AM
makes me think saul is right sometimes!

saul1664
02-11-2008, 03:23 AM
It may just be the variance of the game, but pokerstars (esp. cash) seems to always produce the only two hands that make both players get all their money in.

Chester
03-11-2008, 02:51 AM
PokerStars Game #21714394787: Tournament #118094479, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/11/02 21:29:03 ET
Table '118094479 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: thorson (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: StuCrane (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: A OK Hand (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: Gar-Kinery (1580 in chips)
Seat 5: BVIChester (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: NickWeasel (1450 in chips)
Seat 7: barkas14 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: fasteddy14 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: stjohc (1500 in chips)
A OK Hand: posts small blind 10
Gar-Kinery: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BVIChester [Qc Qs]
BVIChester: raises 40 to 60
NickWeasel: folds
barkas14: folds
fasteddy14: folds
stjohc: calls 60
thorson: folds
StuCrane: folds
A OK Hand: calls 50
Gar-Kinery: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [7d 4s 4h]
A OK Hand: checks
Gar-Kinery: checks
BVIChester: bets 140
stjohc: calls 140
A OK Hand: folds
Gar-Kinery: calls 140
*** TURN *** [7d 4s 4h] [9s]
Gar-Kinery: checks
BVIChester: bets 220
stjohc: raises 340 to 560
Gar-Kinery: folds
BVIChester: calls 340
*** RIVER *** [7d 4s 4h 9s] [8s]
BVIChester: checks
stjohc: bets 440
BVIChester said, "sigh im so bad"
BVIChester: calls 440
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stjohc: shows [8c 8h] (a full house, Eights full of Fours)
BVIChester: mucks hand
stjohc collected 2660 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2660 | Rake 0
Board [7d 4s 4h 9s 8s]
Seat 1: thorson folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: StuCrane (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: A OK Hand (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Gar-Kinery (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: BVIChester mucked [Qc Qs]
Seat 6: NickWeasel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: barkas14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: fasteddy14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: stjohc showed [8c 8h] and won (2660) with a full house, Eights full of Fours

Yes i probably should have shoved the turn after his raise. Thought i was up against at least a set most likely pocket 7's or 9's. Is there anyway to turn off the river card on stars?

God i suck and •••••• hate the last 2 weeks its ridiculous. Anyone ever got anyone off any two cards at lower limit lol

saul1664
03-11-2008, 03:38 AM
I hate early stages of tourneys, got AA cracked by 23, when he called 7 x BB, and 14 x BB on flop to hit runner runner flush on turn and river. I think at that level you either want to go all in with these hands and get a call (and most of the time you will get a call, or vastly overbet the flop). It's like AK, what on earth can you do with it early, go 4-6 BB and you get 4 or 5 callers and your hand is virtually dead.

He calls the turn if you push there, think you can fold the river, that's a terrible card for you there.

Chester
03-11-2008, 03:49 AM
This was the second hand of the sng lol, i can count on one hand the amount of times i have ever been reraised and you know its always the nuts. Just had a feeling that this person was a tool and didnt have it

Im angry at myself for being a donk as well and not shoving the turn but hey ho riverstars strikes again

saul1664
03-11-2008, 09:02 AM
It doesn't make any difference, he calls the turn to an all in rereaise, he's already got half his stack in, and obviously thinks he is ahead, you still would have lost but at least got your money in ahead.

Billyd
04-11-2008, 01:30 AM
id prob shove the turn aswell, though to be fair i dont think how you played it was wrong. not that it makes any difference for that hand but i would recomend raising more pre fop early on in low stake sng's, maybe to 100 -120. raising to just 60 most of the time just doesnt achieve anything. p.s i am the king of low stake sng's! ;)

saul1664
04-11-2008, 01:47 AM
I have had 23 45 6K etc. call 7 - 12 BB pre flop, its a poisoned challice getting premium hands early.

Billyd
04-11-2008, 01:50 AM
I have had 23 45 6K etc. call 7 - 12 BB pre flop, its a poisoned challice getting premium hands early.


yeah theres a fine line early on between trying to double up from some mug who clearly doesnt even wanna be in the sng or tourney and getting out drawn on the flop or turn because you cant believe you might be behind because some moron has called with 10 7 sooted

Chester
04-11-2008, 03:13 AM
Always nice to go out 3rd and be called a "complete donk" by the guy who had no idea about push or fold and hang around whilst he slagged me off to pop up with a "Goodnight fellas" after making notes on how bad they played heads up

saul1664
04-11-2008, 03:20 AM
nice to get JJ and get called with your all in with AQ who hits the A on the first card. Then to get all in for your small chip stack with 33, to get called with 7 10 from the BB, yes he has to call, and so nice for him to hit gutshot str8 on river, so nice indeed

Chester
04-11-2008, 03:32 AM
Level IV (50/100) - 2008/11/03 22:28:28 ET
Table '118300801 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: ped001 (3430 in chips)
Seat 2: shk88 (1265 in chips)
Seat 3: BVIChester (505 in chips)
Seat 4: Montenegro8 (2170 in chips)
Seat 5: snope12 (1960 in chips)
Seat 6: canbucket (785 in chips)
Seat 7: 69suited (2255 in chips)
Seat 9: shaka01 (1130 in chips)
shaka01: posts small blind 50
ped001: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BVIChester [4d Ah]
shk88: folds
BVIChester: raises 405 to 505 and is all-in
Montenegro8: folds
snope12: calls 505
canbucket: folds
69suited: folds
shaka01: folds
ped001: calls 405
*** FLOP *** [5h 9c Kd]
ped001: bets 100
snope12: calls 100
*** TURN *** [5h 9c Kd] [3h]
ped001: checks
snope12: checks
*** RIVER *** [5h 9c Kd 3h] [Ks]
ped001: bets 200
snope12: folds
Uncalled bet (200) returned to ped001
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ped001: shows [5c 7d] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
ped001 collected 200 from side pot
BVIChester: shows [4d Ah] (a pair of Kings)
ped001 collected 1565 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1765 Main pot 1565. Side pot 200. | Rake 0
Board [5h 9c Kd 3h Ks]
Seat 1: ped001 (big blind) showed [5c 7d] and won (1765) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 2: shk88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BVIChester showed [4d Ah] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: Montenegro8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: snope12 folded on the River
Seat 6: canbucket folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 69suited (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: shaka01 (small blind) folded before Flop

lol microstakes :D

saul1664
04-11-2008, 02:16 PM
PokerStars Game #21750906551: Tournament #117601351, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/11/04 9:14:07 ET
Table '117601351 163' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: MISHANY (5660 in chips)
Seat 2: DZNS4U (2970 in chips)
Seat 3: chr505469 (1270 in chips)
Seat 4: aprozcl (2950 in chips)
Seat 5: bes078 (3100 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (2830 in chips)
Seat 7: SimonSpooner (2800 in chips)
Seat 8: $plymouth88 (2970 in chips)
Seat 9: Honne2 (2450 in chips)
SimonSpooner: posts small blind 10
$plymouth88: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Jh Jc]
Honne2: calls 20
MISHANY: calls 20
DZNS4U: calls 20
chr505469: folds
aprozcl: folds
bes078: folds
saul1664: raises 100 to 120
SimonSpooner: folds
$plymouth88: folds
Honne2: calls 100
MISHANY: calls 100
DZNS4U: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Tc Kd]
Honne2: bets 100
MISHANY: calls 100
saul1664: calls 100
*** TURN *** [6c Tc Kd] [Js]
Honne2: checks
MISHANY: checks
saul1664: bets 240
Honne2: calls 240
MISHANY: folds
*** RIVER *** [6c Tc Kd Js] [Qs]
Honne2: checks
saul1664: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Honne2: shows [Ts As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
saul1664: mucks hand
Honne2 collected 1190 from pot
saul1664 said, "what a joke"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1190 | Rake 0
Board [6c Tc Kd Js Qs]
Seat 1: MISHANY folded on the Turn
Seat 2: DZNS4U folded before Flop
Seat 3: chr505469 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aprozcl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bes078 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: saul1664 (button) mucked [Jh Jc]
Seat 7: SimonSpooner (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: $plymouth88 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Honne2 showed [Ts As] and won (1190) with a straight, Ten to Ace

saul1664
04-11-2008, 03:38 PM
This guy was pushing with ATC every hand. AJ is fine to call with...

PokerStars Game #21752223120: Tournament #117601351, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/04 10:36:28 ET
Table '117601351 163' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: MISHANY (7568 in chips)
Seat 2: hook 48 (5678 in chips)
Seat 3: L0g-R (6815 in chips)
Seat 4: aprozcl (9680 in chips)
Seat 5: bes078 (1013 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (3535 in chips)
Seat 7: SimonSpooner (11920 in chips)
Seat 8: angemaahs (4080 in chips)
Seat 9: StewartM666 (6895 in chips)
hook 48: posts small blind 100
L0g-R: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ah Js]
aprozcl: folds
bes078: raises 400 to 600
saul1664: raises 600 to 1200
SimonSpooner: folds
angemaahs: folds
StewartM666: folds
MISHANY: folds
hook 48: folds
L0g-R: folds
bes078: calls 413 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (187) returned to saul1664
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9s Kc]
*** TURN *** [Tc 9s Kc] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9s Kc Ks] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bes078: shows [Kh 9h] (a full house, Kings full of Nines)
saul1664: shows [Ah Js] (a pair of Kings)
bes078 collected 2326 from pot
saul1664 said, "yes"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2326 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 9s Kc Ks 3c]
Seat 1: MISHANY (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hook 48 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: L0g-R (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aprozcl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bes078 showed [Kh 9h] and won (2326) with a full house, Kings full of Nines
Seat 6: saul1664 showed [Ah Js] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: SimonSpooner folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: angemaahs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: StewartM666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
04-11-2008, 03:43 PM
Got it back. What a tool.

PokerStars Game #21752317769: Tournament #117601351, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/11/04 10:41:41 ET
Table '117601351 163' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: MISHANY (7443 in chips)
Seat 2: hook 48 (5453 in chips)
Seat 3: L0g-R (4189 in chips)
Seat 4: aprozcl (9055 in chips)
Seat 5: bes078 (8502 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (1772 in chips)
Seat 7: SimonSpooner (10795 in chips)
Seat 8: angemaahs (3705 in chips)
Seat 9: StewartM666 (6270 in chips)
MISHANY: posts the ante 25
hook 48: posts the ante 25
L0g-R: posts the ante 25
aprozcl: posts the ante 25
bes078: posts the ante 25
saul1664: posts the ante 25
SimonSpooner: posts the ante 25
angemaahs: posts the ante 25
StewartM666: posts the ante 25
angemaahs: posts small blind 125
StewartM666: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ac 5d]
MISHANY: folds
hook 48: folds
L0g-R: folds
aprozcl: folds
bes078: calls 250
saul1664: raises 1497 to 1747 and is all-in
SimonSpooner: calls 1747
angemaahs: folds
StewartM666: folds
bes078: raises 1497 to 3244
SimonSpooner: folds
Uncalled bet (1497) returned to bes078
*** FLOP *** [4c 3s 8d]
*** TURN *** [4c 3s 8d] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4c 3s 8d 5s] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bes078: shows [Kd 4s] (a pair of Fours)
saul1664: shows [Ac 5d] (a pair of Fives)
saul1664 collected 5841 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5841 | Rake 0
Board [4c 3s 8d 5s Qh]
Seat 1: MISHANY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hook 48 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: L0g-R folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aprozcl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bes078 showed [Kd 4s] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 6: saul1664 showed [Ac 5d] and won (5841) with a pair of Fives
Seat 7: SimonSpooner (button) folded before Flop
Seat 8: angemaahs (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: StewartM666 (big blind) folded before Flop

se1eagle
04-11-2008, 03:43 PM
Cough.

http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?t=162518&page=35

Cough.

;)

Chester
04-11-2008, 04:05 PM
What are peoples thoughts on maybe raising more when holding strong but susceptable hands in early position e.g TT. Obviously there is the need to mix it up but will it weed out some of the chaff or are you sticking in too may chips early doors and thus forcing yourself to play bigger pots?

saul1664
04-11-2008, 06:48 PM
out in about 45th, for $18, 5 hours for nothing, how ridiculous does this site have to be

PokerStars Game #21756247945: Tournament #117601351, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2500/5000) - 2008/11/04 13:44:26 ET
Table '117601351 57' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: KCampion (367584 in chips)
Seat 2: saul1664 (104002 in chips)
Seat 3: Handyman78 (208116 in chips)
Seat 5: XXLarge (73921 in chips)
Seat 6: -=3DK=- (24730 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: saurom (220378 in chips)
Seat 8: trithi (71184 in chips)
Seat 9: 13nina (154638 in chips)
KCampion: posts the ante 500
saul1664: posts the ante 500
Handyman78: posts the ante 500
XXLarge: posts the ante 500
-=3DK=-: posts the ante 500
saurom: posts the ante 500
trithi: posts the ante 500
13nina: posts the ante 500
Handyman78: posts small blind 2500
XXLarge: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [9h 9d]
-=3DK=-: folds
saurom: folds
trithi: folds
13nina: folds
KCampion: raises 5000 to 10000
saul1664: calls 10000
Handyman78: folds
XXLarge said, "3 in a row"
XXLarge: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s Tc Jd]
KCampion: bets 10000
saul1664: calls 10000
*** TURN *** [7s Tc Jd] [5h]
KCampion: bets 10000
saul1664: calls 10000
*** RIVER *** [7s Tc Jd 5h] [9c]
KCampion: bets 30000
saul1664: raises 30000 to 60000
KCampion: raises 30000 to 90000
saul1664: calls 13502 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (16498) returned to KCampion
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KCampion: shows [As 8c] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
saul1664: shows [9h 9d] (three of a kind, Nines)
KCampion collected 218504 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 218504 | Rake 0
Board [7s Tc Jd 5h 9c]
Seat 1: KCampion showed [As 8c] and won (218504) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 2: saul1664 (button) showed [9h 9d] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 3: Handyman78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: XXLarge (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: -=3DK=- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: saurom folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: trithi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: 13nina folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Billyd
04-11-2008, 08:11 PM
id either re raise or fold the flop

Billyd
04-11-2008, 08:15 PM
What are peoples thoughts on maybe raising more when holding strong but susceptable hands in early position e.g TT. Obviously there is the need to mix it up but will it weed out some of the chaff or are you sticking in too may chips early doors and thus forcing yourself to play bigger pots?

if we're talking low stakes. early on id prob play 10 10 the same as 22 just flat call and just hope to hit trips. This is because people always call raises early on and over cards will hit and you wont know where you are. also the blinds arent worth winning.

later on when blinds are bigger im raising every time. i tend to raise same amount whenever i raise pre whether its a complete bluff or AA just to keep people guessing.

saul1664
04-11-2008, 08:52 PM
Yes. Didn't ask a question, he'd won the last 3 hands all from behind, and wanted to scoop a good amount of cash but got rivered. He went from 80K to 450K in four hands.

Billyd
05-11-2008, 01:49 PM
someone on here was offering help for cash games? cant be arsed to look but wouldnt mind taking them up on it, been playing cash now for a week and making a bit but would like to move up stakes now. what sort of money do people usually make from cash and how much do you lose when you run bad? im really not a cash player but dont know what to expect

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2008, 01:58 PM
I play/ed a lot of cash in my past and did pretty well, made fine money at STT's and MTT's but don't have much time these days. If you want help Billy, PM me, SE1 is the one to chat with and rail/sweat.

Saul, I know you say your getting unlucky etc but you must be doing something pretty flawed to be down so much at STT's..... how about removing some of your BR and studying the game properly? Possibly the best advice ever is to join a training site! You playing $100 sngs regularly or wer eyou taking a shot?

se1eagle
05-11-2008, 02:19 PM
someone on here was offering help for cash games? cant be arsed to look but wouldnt mind taking them up on it, been playing cash now for a week and making a bit but would like to move up stakes now. what sort of money do people usually make from cash and how much do you lose when you run bad? im really not a cash player but dont know what to expect

Check your PMs :)

I've played 200k hands or so and in that I've had a couple of longer downswings of 25k hands which is frustrating, but a lot of that was down to bad play/tilt. In terms of bad days I generally quit when I lose 3 buyins but I think I've had a few mini 10BI downswings which sucked.

An excellent long-term winrate would be 5PTBB or 10bb/100 hands - which means 1 buyin every 1000 hands. Anything above 3PTBB is pretty good.

In terms of bankroll, I personally go for at least 30 full buyins for the level, so if you're playing 25NL I want $750, $1500 for 50NL. For 100NL I'd go with 35BI as your edge is less and therefore variance is higher.

Low limit cash is all about valuebetting thinly any hand that can be called by worse and folding to most raises. 50NL and 25NL are both pretty similar, lots of loose fish calling you down light - 100NL has less fish and 200NL is generally full of regulars.

Billyd
05-11-2008, 02:20 PM
thanks much appreciated, ive made a fair amount on sngs and mtt but would like to move on to cash as people say its a more steady income with not as much varience. been playing .10/ .25 and making about $50 a day on average but not confident about stepping up stakes yet

p.s my bank roll is about 2k so thats not an issue

se1eagle
05-11-2008, 02:26 PM
thanks much appreciated, ive made a fair amount on sngs and mtt but would like to move on to cash as people say its a more steady income with not as much varience. been playing .10/ .25 and making about $50 a day on average but not confident about stepping up stakes yet

That's pretty good! I'd say get as many hands as possible under your belt before moving up if you've just started - maybe 25K hands at 25NL. It's definitely lower variance than tournaments, but obviously you don't get the excitement of a really big score.

I'd definitely recommend investing in a copy of Holdem Manager - it's fantastic and will help a lot. There's something like a 25 day free trial at http://www.holdemmanager.net

Also Deuces Cracked is really good for cash game videos and the forum rocks - plus they do a discount on Holdem Manager if you're a member. There's also a free 7 day trial I think of Deuces Cracked.

Billyd
05-11-2008, 02:27 PM
Saul, I know you say your getting unlucky etc but you must be doing something pretty flawed to be down so much at STT's..... how about removing some of your BR and studying the game properly? Possibly the best advice ever is to join a training site! You playing $100 sngs regularly or wer eyou taking a shot?


personally i think he plays at too high stakes for a start,you can make a good amount playing low stakes. i made $1000 last month from sngs alone just $5 and $10 stakes

Billyd
05-11-2008, 03:58 PM
running like death at the mo tho

PokerStars Game #21779202708: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/05 10:57:02 ET
Table 'Fragaria' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: EPdoSantos ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 2: billyd77 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 4: tesberto ($53.90 in chips)
Seat 5: fritzl33 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 6: LucKsTarWSOP ($25 in chips)
billyd77: posts small blind $0.10
tatsuya13: is sitting out
tesberto: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billyd77 [Kh Kd]
tatsuya13 leaves the table
fritzl33: folds
LucKsTarWSOP: calls $0.25
EPdoSantos: raises $1 to $1.25
billyd77: raises $2.25 to $3.50
tesberto: folds
LucKsTarWSOP: folds
Tark78220 joins the table at seat #3
EPdoSantos: calls $2.25
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2c 6c]
billyd77: bets $4
EPdoSantos: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Jh 2c 6c] [8h]
billyd77: bets $8.25
EPdoSantos: raises $9.15 to $17.40 and is all-in
billyd77: calls $9 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.15) returned to EPdoSantos
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2c 6c 8h] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyd77: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
EPdoSantos: shows [4h 3h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
EPdoSantos collected $48 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50 | Rake $2
Board [Jh 2c 6c 8h 5s]
Seat 1: EPdoSantos (button) showed [4h 3h] and won ($48) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 2: billyd77 (small blind) showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: tesberto (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: fritzl33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: LucKsTarWSOP folded before Flop

SamTheOldGoat
05-11-2008, 05:09 PM
You got it in ahead dude!

se1eagle
05-11-2008, 05:14 PM
Congratulations - you won $11.25 in Sklansky bucks. Send an email to David Sklansky and he'll trade them in for you ;)

Seriously tho, at lowlimits the rake is so bad you'll probably want to be on a rakeback giving site. Or on Party where the players are even worse than the rake ;)

Billyd
05-11-2008, 05:40 PM
having a bad sesh at the moment lost a couple of big hands where i got outdrawn out doing all the good work :(

saul1664
05-11-2008, 11:29 PM
Saul, I know you say your getting unlucky etc but you must be doing something pretty flawed to be down so much at STT's..... how about removing some of your BR and studying the game properly? Possibly the best advice ever is to join a training site! You playing $100 sngs regularly or wer eyou taking a shot?

Hey, that was a $5 MTT. I have over 6K in tournament cashes this year alone, when I started I played STTs but never found the game to them so virtually never play them now, know my ROI is pretty much appalling on PS, but bizarrely 22%+ on betfair! for STTs, if I was playing $100s I was obviously tilting.

saul1664
05-11-2008, 11:44 PM
This hand truly is spectacular though ...

PokerStars Game #21790522863: Tournament #117601979, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/11/05 18:39:02 ET
Table '117601979 154' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: nat42 (4475 in chips)
Seat 2: sozopol63 (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: igetscrewed (3125 in chips)
Seat 4: RobinHood82 (1865 in chips)
Seat 5: vivax (2630 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: saul1664 (2905 in chips)
sozopol63: posts small blind 15
igetscrewed: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kc 4s]
RobinHood82: calls 30
vivax: folds
saul1664: folds
nat42: calls 30
sozopol63: calls 15
igetscrewed: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh 7h Jd]
sozopol63: checks
igetscrewed: checks
RobinHood82: bets 180
nat42: raises 300 to 480
sozopol63: calls 480
igetscrewed: folds
RobinHood82: raises 1355 to 1835 and is all-in
nat42: calls 1355
sozopol63: calls 1355
*** TURN *** [Qh 7h Jd] [Ks]
sozopol63: checks
nat42: bets 2610 and is all-in
sozopol63: calls 1135 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1475) returned to nat42
*** RIVER *** [Qh 7h Jd Ks] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sozopol63: shows [2h Kh] (a flush, King high)
nat42: shows [Jc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
sozopol63 collected 2270 from side pot
RobinHood82: shows [Jh 7c] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
sozopol63 collected 5625 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7895 Main pot 5625. Side pot 2270. | Rake 0
Board [Qh 7h Jd Ks Th]
Seat 1: nat42 (button) showed [Jc Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 2: sozopol63 (small blind) showed [2h Kh] and won (7895) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: igetscrewed (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: RobinHood82 showed [Jh 7c] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 5: vivax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: saul1664 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
06-11-2008, 12:34 AM
Maybe I do need some help. River card again, he took ages on the river, thought he was bluffing but 57 was good, runner runner turn and river makes str8

PokerStars Game #21791859565: Tournament #117601979, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/05 19:30:32 ET
Table '117601979 48' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 (6189 in chips)
Seat 2: Major_BomB (9202 in chips)
Seat 3: Chris Doggy (3135 in chips)
Seat 4: kingjames875 (12551 in chips)
Seat 5: ukfiberguy (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: Miss_Chips35 (7156 in chips)
ukfiberguy: posts small blind 75
Miss_Chips35: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Th Ks]
saul1664: raises 150 to 300
Major_BomB: calls 300
Chris Doggy: folds
kingjames875: calls 300
ukfiberguy: folds
Miss_Chips35: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Kc 8h 2c]
Miss_Chips35: checks
saul1664: bets 450
Major_BomB: folds
kingjames875: calls 450
Miss_Chips35: folds
*** TURN *** [Kc 8h 2c] [6d]
saul1664: bets 900
kingjames875: calls 900
*** RIVER *** [Kc 8h 2c 6d] [9s]
saul1664: bets 1350
kingjames875: raises 9551 to 10901 and is all-in
saul1664: calls 3189 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (6362) returned to kingjames875
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kingjames875: shows [7h 5h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
saul1664: shows [Th Ks] (a pair of Kings)
kingjames875 collected 13053 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13053 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 8h 2c 6d 9s]
Seat 1: saul1664 showed [Th Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: Major_BomB folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Chris Doggy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kingjames875 (button) showed [7h 5h] and won (13053) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 5: ukfiberguy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Miss_Chips35 (big blind) folded on the Flop

se1eagle
06-11-2008, 02:14 AM
I love a check to induce against the right opponent :)

SB: $52.02
Hero (BB): $104.05
UTG: $84.60
MP: $60.42
CO: $52.95
BTN: $89.73

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif
3 folds, BTN calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.25) 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 2http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.89, BTN calls $0.89

Turn: ($3.03) 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.88, BTN raises to $5.76, Hero calls $2.88

River: ($14.55) Thttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $24.00, Hero calls $24

Final Pot: $62.55
Hero shows Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif
BTN shows 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
Hero wins $59.05
(Rake: $3.50)

Billyd
06-11-2008, 02:32 AM
lovely

Billyd
06-11-2008, 02:33 AM
Maybe I do need some help. River card again, he took ages on the river, thought he was bluffing but 57 was good, runner runner turn and river makes str8



that is pretty insane to be fair. the call after the flop is horrendous!

saul1664
07-11-2008, 08:48 PM
What can you do... all the money in front again on the turn

PokerStars Game #21838776851: Tournament #117555590, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/07 15:46:10 ET
Table '117555590 120' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: WeedLacer (2585 in chips)
Seat 2: Maxterbax (11525 in chips)
Seat 3: waldon666 (4858 in chips)
Seat 4: joeynbk (14722 in chips)
Seat 5: saul1664 (5806 in chips)
Seat 6: Oboema99 (5918 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind 100
Oboema99: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ad Kc]
saul1664 said, "nh"
WeedLacer: folds
Maxterbax: folds
joeynbk said, "ty"
waldon666: folds
joeynbk: calls 200
saul1664: raises 600 to 800
Oboema99: folds
joeynbk: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Ah Th 7s]
saul1664: bets 1200
joeynbk: calls 1200
*** TURN *** [Ah Th 7s] [9d]
saul1664: bets 3806 and is all-in
joeynbk: calls 3806
*** RIVER *** [Ah Th 7s 9d] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces)
joeynbk: shows [Ac 8d] (a straight, Six to Ten)
joeynbk collected 11812 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11812 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Th 7s 9d 6c]
Seat 1: WeedLacer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Maxterbax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: waldon666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: joeynbk (button) showed [Ac 8d] and won (11812) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 5: saul1664 (small blind) showed [Ad Kc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Oboema99 (big blind) folded before Flop

iamanuplander
08-11-2008, 03:07 AM
Game #8271749564: $2500 FRIDAY GTD (ID8478937) $25+$2 - Hold'em NL (300/600) - 2008/11/08 - 02:56:06 (UK)
Table "8478937 - 1" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Cliv20083 (8591 in chips)
Seat 4: Suited_jj (19767 in chips)
Seat 5: synnexkid (26071 in chips)
Seat 7: Ant040689 (19649 in chips)
Seat 8: Mozilla1 (15868 in chips)
Seat 9: Tere22041 (16660 in chips)
Ant040689: posts the ante 75
Mozilla1: posts the ante 75
Tere22041: posts the ante 75
Cliv20083: posts the ante 75
Suited_jj: posts the ante 75
synnexkid: posts the ante 75
Ant040689: posts small blind 300
Mozilla1: posts big blind 600
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Ant040689 [3d 8d]
Tere22041: folds
Cliv20083: folds
Suited_jj: folds
synnexkid: raises to 1800
Ant040689: raises to 5400
Mozilla1: folds
synnexkid: calls 3600
----- FLOP ----- [7h 2h As]
Ant040689: checks
synnexkid: checks
----- TURN ----- [7h 2h As][Ts]
Ant040689: checks
synnexkid: checks
----- RIVER ----- [7h 2h As Ts][Tc]
Ant040689: bets 4000
synnexkid: folds
Returned uncalled bets 4,000 to Ant040689
Ant040689: doesn't show hand
Ant040689 collected 11850 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 11850 Main pot 11850 Rake 0
Board [7h 2h As Ts Tc]
Seat 1: Cliv20083 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Suited_jj folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: synnexkid (button) folded on the River
Seat 7: Ant040689 (small blind) collected 11850
Seat 8: Mozilla1 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tere22041 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I think an unorthadox style in tourneys deep stacked is the way to go but what do u guys think? Synnex claimed to have had 99 in the chat box

se1eagle
11-11-2008, 02:22 AM
ZOMG - hope this doesn't go through

http://www.nasdaq.net/publicpages/NewsDetailPublic.aspx?symbol=&storyId=20081106\ACQDJON200811061856DOWJONESDJONLI NE000987.htm

Chester
12-11-2008, 01:06 AM
Not sure whether this should have gone in Brags beats or variance. WSOP final table spoiler if you still dont know






















This year's winner was Peter Eastgate from Denmark. The United States and Denmark have a tax treaty. Because of the treaty Mr. Eastgate doesn't owe a penny to the IRS. That just leaves the Danish tax authorities.

Denmark's tax agency is called SKAT. Denmark, like the United States, does tax gambling winnings. For casino gambling (which is where I believe this will be classified) the tax rate is 45% on the first 4 million Danish Kroners; it's 75% on income above that. Today $1 is 5.88907 DKK; Mr. Eastgate won 53,899,250.70 DKK before taxes. Mr. Eastgate will owe about 39,224,438 DKK in tax ($6,660,545). Put another way Mr. Eastgate will keep 14,674,813 DKK ($2,491,871) of his winnings—just 27.23% of his prize. Yes, he faces an effective tax rate of 72.77%. Ouch.

iamanuplander
12-11-2008, 01:41 AM
so chester if a Brit won the main event would they need to pay tax?

Chester
12-11-2008, 02:01 AM
Im not sure thinking about it as gambling isnt taxed in the UK. Not sure if any would be taken out by the IRS before hand but not sure it would be taxed in the UK

There is some controversy as Eastgate apparently moved to London after the final 9 were decided so does he pay tax on the sum won now or just the original 900k

Here is a break down of the taxes

This year's winner was Peter Eastgate from Denmark. The United States and Denmark have a tax treaty. Because of the treaty Mr. Eastgate doesn't owe a penny to the IRS. That just leaves the Danish tax authorities.

Denmark's tax agency is called SKAT. Denmark, like the United States, does tax gambling winnings. For casino gambling (which is where I believe this will be classified) the tax rate is 45% on the first 4 million Danish Kroners; it's 75% on income above that. Today $1 is 5.88907 DKK; Mr. Eastgate won 53,899,250.70 DKK before taxes. Mr. Eastgate will owe about 39,224,438 DKK in tax ($6,660,545). Put another way Mr. Eastgate will keep 14,674,813 DKK ($2,491,871) of his winnings—just 27.23% of his prize. Yes, he faces an effective tax rate of 72.77%. Ouch.

Ivan Demidov of Moscow, Russia finished second and won $5,809,595. The United States and Russia also have a tax treaty and Mr. Demidov won't have any of his winnings withheld by the IRS. Russia has a 13% flat tax rate, so Mr. Demidov will owe about $755,247 to the State Taxation Service of Russia.

Third place went to an American, Dennis Phillips of Cottage Hills, Illinois. Mr. Phillips won $4,517,773 for his efforts. He's an amateur gambler so he won't owe self employment tax on his winnings. Still, he can expect to pay $1,568,950 to the IRS and $135,533 to the Illinois Department of Revenue.

Ylon Schwartz of Brooklyn, New York, finished in fourth place for $3,774,974. He is a professional gambler so he'll owe self-employment tax on his winnings. He'll also owe state and New York City income tax. His likely tax bite is $1,396,304 to the IRS and $387,966 to the New York Department of Tax & Finance.

Two Canadians finished in fifth and sixth place. Scott Montgomery of Perth, Ontario finished in fifth place for $3,096,768. The US-Canada tax treaty specifies that 30% of his win will be withheld to the IRS. Thus, $929,030 was withheld. Mr. Montgomery is a professional gambler so he will owe tax on his win to Revenue Canada. However, he will be able to take a credit on his Canadian tax return for the money withheld to the IRS. As Canada's tax rate is 29% he likely won't have to pay any additional funds to Revenue Canada.

The sixth place finisher was Darus Suharto of Toronto. Mr. Suharto is an accountant, so he won't owe tax to Revenue Canada on his won. However, of the $2,418,562 he won, $725,569 was withheld per the US-Canada tax treaty. He may be able to claim a credit on his Canadian tax return for years to come based on this withheld money and eventually get it back.

The Franchise Tax Board (FTB) was rooting for David Rheem or Kelly Kim to finish in first place. These two Californians finished in seventh and eighth place, earning $1,772,650 and $1,288,217 respectively. Mr. Rheem will owe about $651,262 to the IRS and $170,302 to the FTB; Mr. Kim will owe about $470,995 to the IRS and $121,074 to the FTB.

Craig Marquis of Arlington, Texas finished in ninth place. He is also a professional gambler, and of the $900,670 he won he'll have to fork over about $328,911 to the IRS.

http://taxabletalk.com/

Billyd
12-11-2008, 02:04 AM
gambling is totally tax free in this country

Chester
12-11-2008, 03:10 AM
LOL, i officially give up SNG's after playing in the last 2 where no one had an m above 2.5 and there were 6 people left (9 man) and still no one new how to push fold and ended up bubbling in total the last 4 where my AJ (every time, i couldnt help but chuckle) couldnt beat any non suited under cards.

FML. Off to tilt off a bit learning cash now and thats that :)

Chester
12-11-2008, 03:43 AM
Cash is scary :eek: :D

Strathclyde Eagle
12-11-2008, 09:28 AM
I think if you know you've got $900k coming your way you move to somewhere a bit more tax-friendly than London, but that's just me.

I know he's trying to avoid taxes on those winnings, but he's likely to step into a whole lot of other expense I'd imagine.

Billyd
12-11-2008, 12:00 PM
Cash is scary :eek: :D


i love it, been playing poker for years. Yet only started playing cash properly for the last 2 weeks.

Quick question were you playing turbos sng's? its pretty hard to make a profit in those i found and the variance is obviously higher. Think ive played so many low stakes sngs i literally know exactly what hand those donks have half the time.
The easiest to make money on is those 18 man sngs on stars

Chester
12-11-2008, 08:16 PM
Yeah I was laying the turbo's found them to be much easier than regulars but your ROI is just too low in the low stakes after the rake and beats you take.

I finally realised yesterday when there were still 5 people left at the 200/400 level just befor 3/6 came in and no one else was playing pushbot poker that it was just a joke.

Will watch a bit of cash to get my head round that and then jump in.

Chester
12-11-2008, 08:52 PM
OUCH :(

The Department of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Board today announced the release of a joint final rule to implement the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. The Act prohibits gambling businesses from knowingly accepting payments in connection with unlawful Internet gambling, including payments made through credit cards, electronic funds transfers, and checks.

The Board and the Treasury are required by the Act to develop a joint rule in consultation with the Department of Justice. The final rule requires U.S. financial firms that participate in designated payment systems to establish and implement policies and procedures that are reasonably designed to prevent payments to gambling businesses in connection with unlawful Internet gambling. The rule provides non-exclusive examples of such policies and procedures and sets out the regulatory enforcement framework. For purposes of the rule, unlawful Internet gambling generally would cover the making of a bet or wager that involves use of the Internet and that is unlawful under any applicable federal or state law in the jurisdiction where the bet or wager is initiated, received, or otherwise made.

Compliance with the rule is required by December 1, 2009.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsev...20081112a1.pdf

se1eagle
12-11-2008, 09:07 PM
OUCH :(

The Department of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Board today announced the release of a joint final rule to implement the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. The Act prohibits gambling businesses from knowingly accepting payments in connection with unlawful Internet gambling, including payments made through credit cards, electronic funds transfers, and checks.

The Board and the Treasury are required by the Act to develop a joint rule in consultation with the Department of Justice. The final rule requires U.S. financial firms that participate in designated payment systems to establish and implement policies and procedures that are reasonably designed to prevent payments to gambling businesses in connection with unlawful Internet gambling. The rule provides non-exclusive examples of such policies and procedures and sets out the regulatory enforcement framework. For purposes of the rule, unlawful Internet gambling generally would cover the making of a bet or wager that involves use of the Internet and that is unlawful under any applicable federal or state law in the jurisdiction where the bet or wager is initiated, received, or otherwise made.

Compliance with the rule is required by December 1, 2009.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsev...20081112a1.pdf

Yeah it's mental. I didn't think it was going through, but it looks like it has - but thankfully at least delayed for a year's time. Come on Obama, repeal this please!! :(

saul1664
13-11-2008, 03:22 AM
Well, won my 1st PS tourney after many close calls, beating 4595 players, shame it was a 10 FPP for $64. Meh and yet again meh.

PokerStars Tournament #116543068, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: 10 FPP
4595 players
$500.00 added to the prize pool by PokerStars
Total Prize Pool: $500.00
Tournament started - 2008/11/12 - 19:40:00 (ET)

Dear saul1664,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $64.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

se1eagle
13-11-2008, 12:04 PM
Congrats and all, but how did you bring yourself to play that?

Chester
13-11-2008, 01:09 PM
This thread is genius and has had me in stitches through all of the episodes

http://http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/its-wondurrrrful-life-325358/


Congrats Saul, must have been poking yourself in the eye playing that

saul1664
13-11-2008, 04:24 PM
I really don't know, had come back from the pub and it was sort of there looking at me, and being a turbo thought it wouldn't last that long, if 3 hours is not that long.

Billyd
13-11-2008, 05:59 PM
3 hours not too bad. i bet you ran like god as it was freeroll! always the bloody way!

well done mate

saul1664
13-11-2008, 06:29 PM
Yeah had 4 to 1 chip lead at heads up that turned the other way when he shoved all in Q9 to KA to hit 9 on river, but then next two shoves I made finished on top, every move I made with 88 99 etc they always missed their overcards, must be different s/w in freeroll mode

PoolKing
13-11-2008, 07:22 PM
must be different s/w in freeroll mode

:D I always notice that in the latter stages in tournaments that in all-ins the favourite seems to regularly win and there are less bad beats.

saul1664
13-11-2008, 11:13 PM
Normal PS s/w strikes again from normal buy ins.

PokerStars Game #22013966173: Tournament #119387924, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/13 18:10:06 ET
Table '119387924 235' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: dambuster53 (3345 in chips)
Seat 2: Rabbaduck (3115 in chips)
Seat 3: Jamestown808 (4105 in chips)
Seat 4: greenhead198 (3595 in chips)
Seat 5: MakeNcents_ (3175 in chips)
Seat 6: saul1664 (3770 in chips)
Seat 7: SophieM1982 (3320 in chips)
Seat 8: Toot Least (1550 in chips)
Seat 9: stefblanco68 (7225 in chips)
dambuster53: posts small blind 75
Rabbaduck: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Ac As]
Jamestown808: folds
greenhead198: calls 150
MakeNcents_: folds
saul1664: raises 600 to 750
SophieM1982: folds
Toot Least: calls 750
stefblanco68: folds
dambuster53: folds
Rabbaduck: folds
greenhead198: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Qc 9s Tc]
greenhead198: bets 2845 and is all-in
saul1664: calls 2845
Toot Least: folds
*** TURN *** [Qc 9s Tc] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Qc 9s Tc Kd] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
greenhead198: shows [Jc Kh] (a straight, Nine to King)
saul1664: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)
greenhead198 collected 8165 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8165 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 9s Tc Kd 6c]
Seat 1: dambuster53 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Rabbaduck (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Jamestown808 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: greenhead198 showed [Jc Kh] and won (8165) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 5: MakeNcents_ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: saul1664 showed [Ac As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: SophieM1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Toot Least folded on the Flop
Seat 9: stefblanco68 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
13-11-2008, 11:21 PM
and again...

PokerStars Game #22014232687: Tournament #119387960, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/11/13 18:19:51 ET
Table '119387960 168' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Legend Of E (1370 in chips)
Seat 2: killabreit (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 (2915 in chips)
Seat 4: bradthefreak (1485 in chips)
Seat 5: TheGayTinTin (2920 in chips)
Seat 6: sevi88 (2315 in chips)
Seat 7: buster16478 (2815 in chips)
Seat 8: sanbagg (2975 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Kingkenned (2725 in chips)
buster16478: posts small blind 15
sanbagg: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Kh As]
Kingkenned: calls 30
Legend Of E: calls 30
killabreit: folds
sanbagg has returned
saul1664: raises 150 to 180
bradthefreak: folds
TheGayTinTin: folds
sevi88: folds
buster16478: calls 165
sanbagg: folds
Kingkenned: calls 150
Legend Of E: raises 1190 to 1370 and is all-in
saul1664: calls 1190
buster16478: folds
Kingkenned: raises 1355 to 2725 and is all-in
saul1664: calls 1355
*** FLOP *** [2c 6c Td]
*** TURN *** [2c 6c Td] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [2c 6c Td 5c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kingkenned: shows [5s Js] (a pair of Fives)
saul1664: shows [Kh As] (high card Ace)
Kingkenned collected 2710 from side pot
Legend Of E: shows [Qd Ac] (a pair of Queens)
Legend Of E collected 4320 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7030 Main pot 4320. Side pot 2710. | Rake 0
Board [2c 6c Td 5c Qh]
Seat 1: Legend Of E showed [Qd Ac] and won (4320) with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: killabreit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: saul1664 showed [Kh As] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: bradthefreak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheGayTinTin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sevi88 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: buster16478 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: sanbagg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Kingkenned showed [5s Js] and won (2710) with a pair of Fives

saul1664
13-11-2008, 11:34 PM
agggggggggh and again same tourney this is poker hell

PokerStars Game #22014575017: Tournament #119387960, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2008/11/13 18:32:36 ET
Table '119387960 168' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Legend Of E (4240 in chips)
Seat 2: killabreit (2085 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 (3850 in chips)
Seat 4: bradthefreak (5040 in chips)
Seat 5: TheGayTinTin (1920 in chips)
Seat 6: sevi88 (2075 in chips)
Seat 7: buster16478 (2135 in chips)
Seat 8: sanbagg (2445 in chips)
Seat 9: Kingkenned (3210 in chips)
TheGayTinTin: posts small blind 25
sevi88: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Js Ac]
buster16478: calls 50
sanbagg: raises 200 to 250
Kingkenned: calls 250
Legend Of E: folds
killabreit: folds
saul1664: calls 250
bradthefreak: folds
TheGayTinTin: folds
sevi88: folds
buster16478: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [9d 4h Ah]
buster16478: checks
sanbagg: checks
Kingkenned: checks
saul1664: bets 450
buster16478: calls 450
sanbagg: folds
Kingkenned: folds
*** TURN *** [9d 4h Ah] [6d]
buster16478: checks
saul1664: bets 3150 and is all-in
buster16478: calls 1435 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1715) returned to saul1664
*** RIVER *** [9d 4h Ah 6d] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
buster16478: shows [5d Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
saul1664: shows [Js Ac] (a pair of Aces)
buster16478 collected 4845 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4845 | Rake 0
Board [9d 4h Ah 6d Kd]
Seat 1: Legend Of E folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: killabreit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: saul1664 showed [Js Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: bradthefreak (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TheGayTinTin (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: sevi88 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: buster16478 showed [5d Ad] and won (4845) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: sanbagg folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Kingkenned folded on the Flop

PoolKing
13-11-2008, 11:41 PM
I love the J5 hand, the funny thing is whenever I try to play dumb and go in with rubbish it never ever works

saul1664
13-11-2008, 11:50 PM
this is now ridiculous

PokerStars Game #22014983732: Tournament #119387960, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2008/11/13 18:48:16 ET
Table '119387960 168' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Legend Of E (4120 in chips)
Seat 2: killabreit (2180 in chips)
Seat 3: saul1664 (3475 in chips)
Seat 4: bradthefreak (4405 in chips)
Seat 5: TheGayTinTin (6125 in chips)
Seat 6: sevi88 (1910 in chips)
Seat 7: buster16478 (4625 in chips)
Seat 8: sanbagg (4450 in chips)
Seat 9: Otis888 (7885 in chips)
saul1664: posts small blind 30
bradthefreak: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [9c 9s]
TheGayTinTin: folds
sevi88: folds
buster16478: calls 60
sanbagg: calls 60
Otis888: folds
Legend Of E: folds
killabreit: folds
saul1664: raises 180 to 240
bradthefreak: folds
buster16478: calls 180
sanbagg: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [7d 2h 6s]
saul1664: bets 900
buster16478: folds
sanbagg: raises 1260 to 2160
saul1664: raises 1075 to 3235 and is all-in
sanbagg: calls 1075
*** TURN *** [7d 2h 6s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [7d 2h 6s 2c] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
saul1664: shows [9c 9s] (two pair, Nines and Sixes)
sanbagg: shows [6d Kd] (a full house, Sixes full of Deuces)
sanbagg collected 7250 from pot
saul1664 re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $10.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7250 | Rake 0
Board [7d 2h 6s 2c 6h]
Seat 1: Legend Of E folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: killabreit (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: saul1664 (small blind) showed [9c 9s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Sixes
Seat 4: bradthefreak (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: TheGayTinTin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sevi88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: buster16478 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: sanbagg showed [6d Kd] and won (7250) with a full house, Sixes full of Deuces
Seat 9: Otis888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

saul1664
14-11-2008, 12:13 AM
Still terrible, out twice more K10 < K4, Q8 < Q2, anyone winning tonight?

KQ flush on turn, get all the money in he has nothing, but an A drawing to flush draw. River?

saul1664
14-11-2008, 12:49 AM
and finally out of last tourney, getting short stacked, med stack calls my all in of Ah9h with 8sKs, spikes a K on river.

oz_da II
14-11-2008, 01:40 AM
Still terrible, out twice more K10 < K4, Q8 < Q2, anyone winning tonight?


$70 up, one hour of 4 tabling 0.25/0.50 PLO

Billyd
14-11-2008, 02:12 AM
Still terrible, out twice more K10 < K4, Q8 < Q2, anyone winning tonight?

KQ flush on turn, get all the money in he has nothing, but an A drawing to flush draw. River?

nah had to give up at about 9. been bleeding money in cash all day, couple of hands earlier put me on tilt.

iamanuplander
14-11-2008, 02:26 PM
I know many of you might not even care, but i am off to miami tomorrow for a week long cruise to play in the caribbean poker classic and in particular the main event they have there for $2700 buy in on Friday 21st november. Im Hoping to make the BBS proud and i believe coverage of the event will be blogged comprehensively by www.pokerlistings.com Just so you know i liken my style to a certain Mr.Montgomery from the 2008 WSOP Final Table, so most of the time i don't even know myself what i am going to do!

Should be a good craic and i hope to boost my bankroll massively!

Chester
14-11-2008, 02:34 PM
Good luck Ant and have fun. :p

Paul Romain
14-11-2008, 03:01 PM
I know many of you might not even care, but i am off to miami tomorrow for a week long cruise to play in the caribbean poker classic

Good luck Ant - have a great time. hope you can get online with some updates and don't play too loose! Bring home the money!

se1eagle
14-11-2008, 03:50 PM
I know many of you might not even care, but i am off to miami tomorrow for a week long cruise to play in the caribbean poker classic and in particular the main event they have there for $2700 buy in on Friday 21st november. Im Hoping to make the BBS proud and i believe coverage of the event will be blogged comprehensively by www.pokerlistings.com Just so you know i liken my style to a certain Mr.Montgomery from the 2008 WSOP Final Table, so most of the time i don't even know myself what i am going to do!

Should be a good craic and i hope to boost my bankroll massively!

Good luck Ant, sounds very exciting! Are you buying in full yourself or have you got stakes?

iamanuplander
14-11-2008, 08:21 PM
cheers guys, and i won the buy in to the tournament as a part of the package i won online. So effectively a free trip and free tournament entry. Gonna live it large.

Paul, my mood while playing poker can be so erratic that it depends how i feel on the day, if i win it all it will be the start of some great things. But undoubtedly, i may well be on about a bad beat story. But don't worry Saul i wont take the title of "bad beat king" away from you hehe.

Will try my best to update u guys and wud luv to get a taste of the poker pro lifestyle, travelling all around the world. One can only dream. :)

Billyd
14-11-2008, 11:04 PM
good luck!!! thanks for deciding to donate 10% of your winnings to the bbs poker players much apprecuated ;)

iamanuplander
15-11-2008, 01:02 AM
lol i have one of my mates who has a 0.1% cut of my winnings if i come first, he's paid me nothing for it, it's out of novelty, we predicted that to be about 50 max, so i agreed. I Would be ecstatic to give that man the easiest money he has ever had in his life!

This may well be the long goodbye now, gonna miss u guys for the week, gonna try not use the internet on the boat, gotta give my eyes a bloomin rest :)

saul1664
16-11-2008, 11:44 PM
Good luck. Anyone doing any good in the big ones, had a problem hand in the 200K, raise with Ah9, flop comes 6h 7 h 8h, small stack goes all in, I call and end up losing 2K of chips, he has 78 for two pair and I miss my 18 outs. Out of the 6 handed with this, how does he call on the turn?

PokerStars Game #22103052433: Tournament #119387977, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/11/16 18:39:40 ET
Table '119387977 22' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: saul1664 (2670 in chips)
Seat 2: CO_Rox23 (3340 in chips)
Seat 3: sinikka7 (5800 in chips)
Seat 4: ginaii (3050 in chips)
Seat 5: verncut (5310 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: donkbiter (3240 in chips)
verncut: posts small blind 15
donkbiter: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to saul1664 [Js Jd]
saul1664: raises 90 to 120
CO_Rox23: folds
sinikka7: calls 120
ginaii: folds
verncut: folds
donkbiter: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [6c 2s 7s]
donkbiter: bets 210
saul1664: raises 690 to 900
sinikka7: folds
donkbiter: calls 690
*** TURN *** [6c 2s 7s] [2h]
donkbiter: checks
saul1664: bets 1650 and is all-in
donkbiter: calls 1650
*** RIVER *** [6c 2s 7s 2h] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
donkbiter: shows [7c Ks] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
saul1664: shows [Js Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Deuces)
donkbiter collected 5475 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5475 | Rake 0
Board [6c 2s 7s 2h Kd]
Seat 1: saul1664 showed [Js Jd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Deuces
Seat 2: CO_Rox23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: sinikka7 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ginaii (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: verncut (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: donkbiter (big blind) showed [7c Ks] and won (5475) with two pair, Kings and Sevens

Billyd
17-11-2008, 01:50 AM
nah cant qualify for the sunday mill to save my life at the mo. that 6 handed tourney is an absolute donkfest, i like it tho as on the whole its a good tourney to build a stack up even early on

Chester
17-11-2008, 02:53 AM
Thought i would pass the time before bed. Couldnt be arsed to bump the bb thread

PokerStars Game #22107953969: Tournament #121029821, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/11/16 21:50:09 ET
Table '121029821 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Xsteel (1345 in chips)
Seat 2: Boonlight (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: BVIChester (1725 in chips)
Seat 5: 1hotmamajen (2700 in chips)
Seat 6: topgun1032 (630 in chips)
Seat 8: hamptonsgirl (1385 in chips)
Seat 9: JJACE_10 (2400 in chips)
Seat 10: Pber (3400 in chips)
JJACE_10: posts small blind 25
Pber: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BVIChester [Qs Qd]
Xsteel: folds
Boonlight: folds
BVIChester: raises 150 to 200
1hotmamajen: folds
topgun1032: folds
hamptonsgirl: folds
JJACE_10: calls 175
Pber: folds
*** FLOP *** [4c 5d 6s]
JJACE_10: checks
BVIChester: bets 300
JJACE_10: calls 300
*** TURN *** [4c 5d 6s] [4d]
JJACE_10: checks
BVIChester: bets 1225 and is all-in
JJACE_10: calls 1225
*** RIVER *** [4c 5d 6s 4d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JJACE_10: shows [4h As] (three of a kind, Fours)
BVIChester: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
JJACE_10 collected 3500 from pot
topgun1032 said, "hate them coolers"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3500 | Rake 0
Board [4c 5d 6s 4d 8c]
Seat 1: Xsteel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Boonlight folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BVIChester showed [Qs Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
Seat 5: 1hotmamajen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: topgun1032 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hamptonsgirl (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JJACE_10 (small blind) showed [4h As] and won (3500) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 10: Pber (big blind) folded before Flop

SamTheOldGoat
17-11-2008, 10:49 AM
Found an email from Party saying they want my custom back and gave me $15. Span it up to $95 watching songs of praise last night. LOL :D

Billyd
17-11-2008, 01:00 PM
songs of gays more like

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2008, 08:40 AM
Found an email from Party saying they want my custom back and gave me $15. Span it up to $95 watching songs of praise last night. LOL :D

Up to $300. Not bad from a free 15 in a couple of nights and the dollar to pound rate! BOSH.

SamTheOldGoat
19-11-2008, 08:40 AM
songs of gays more like
Didn't see any of those?!

saul1664
19-11-2008, 10:38 AM
nah cant qualify for the sunday mill to save my life at the mo. that 6 handed tourney is an absolute donkfest, i like it tho as on the whole its a good tourney to build a stack up even early on

Crashed out again, thought two pair on the flop would be good (had 6 J, on a 6 J K) board considering the play I had witnessed last time so got it all in and he flipped over trips 6s, missed my two outer. :clown:

iamanuplander
22-11-2008, 12:13 AM
i have an hour remaining on my break at the CPC main event, 57 players remaining and i have 13-11000 chips with blinds commencing at 300-600 and antes of 100 i believe, It makes me around 40th. been playing for 6 hours already and have been getting restless because im not used to this much idleness!!

Got half of my stack in pre flop with 99 up against QQ and yeh i know what your thinking i am a donk, but i re raised an initial pre flop raise only to soon realise he didn't have that many chips, so i was comitted to call.

9JJ flop and its happy days as the next to cards are blank.

I made one really gutsy bluff that paid off on the dealer button, and have never felt so much prolonged duress in my life and makes me think i could die if i do it again lol. Won't go into detail about it but it was pretty amazing :)

Another hand just before the break i am sitting with around 15000 blinds at 200/400 and get 77 on the SB, i have a UTG caller a mid position caller and the dealer button goes all in for his last 3600. I have read the BB to be flicking his cards, so i would anticipate he was folding and thought with the pot at 5000 (inc antes of 50 each) i had value to re raise all in a seclude the initial raiser. Everything went smoothly when i done this as i was heads up but he turned over 99. Even though he had a tight image i thought his stack meant his range could well have included 22-66, AK-A10 or QK. I think i have given enough evidence to show what i did was right, especially as 3600 isn't a complete devastation to my stack, but i keep thinking i should have just mucked it.

Anyway, if you want anymore info someone from www.pokerlistings.com might give them to you as they have live updates, as the tourney progresses. Just to let you know i am going down in a hail of bullets before i let my stack deplete too much and i hope you all the best of luck on the cyber tables tonight as well. Cheers.

se1eagle
22-11-2008, 02:31 AM
Well done Ant, hang in there!

Billyd
24-11-2008, 02:55 PM
does anyone use Holdem manager? how do you get it so your on table stats dont reset every time you play another game

SamTheOldGoat
24-11-2008, 03:33 PM
Have used HEM in the past, it's quality. Will have a look when I get home but as I play PLO mainly not sure if still have it?!