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paulhgc2002
02-02-2006, 10:58 AM
so forget poker has anyone played spades yet ? in my opinion it is 30 times better than poker

WorthingEagle
02-02-2006, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Congrats Worthing, hope I manage to pull of something like that one day, but I've been playing appalingly bad recently so I'll have to wait.

Who do you use for rakeback? If I join, I'll get you to give me your details and I think you'll get a recommendation payment or something.

Thanks, ever since I started playing poker it was my ambition to play in a major tournament. I guess I will have to change that to playing in the WSOP!

I use raketherake.com for Betfair, and rakebackrus.com for Eurobet. Both sites have rakeback deals with a number of other sites though.

saul1664
02-02-2006, 01:28 PM
What do the rakeback sites do?

DANCOO
02-02-2006, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
What do the rakeback sites do?

Every raked hand you play, you get a percentage of the rake back ( hand rake must be over 30 cents or something ).

WorthingEagle
02-02-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Every raked hand you play, you get a percentage of the rake back ( hand rake must be over 30 cents or something ).

Yep. I don't play as much as I used to, maybe 5,000 hands a month - playing 5 tables that's about 15 hours, and I still get around 50 rakeback. :p

PoolKing
02-02-2006, 02:20 PM
As I play for a living now, Rakeback has been a very handy necessity and I expect to earn 6000+ from it over the course of a year. For people that play a lot I would certainly recommmend it, there is nothing to lose really.

The only problem I did have was that it involves registering on a different poker room. I registered, played, won a bit and then withdrew. No money appeared in my bank account and after emailing them I was told that they couldn't withdraw to a debit card (which I used to deposit) so I had been sent cheques!!! I got the cheques and they wer from the 'Bank of Lebanon'.....paid them into the bank 2 weeks ago and the money has not cleared yet, I got a letter saying it can take upto 6 weeks:grrr:

By the way well done Worthing Eagle on your satellite win. My aim this year is to qualify for such events so in the name of positive thinking, See you at this year's WSOP:D

By the way if anyone is interested in 46% rakeback on the prima network please email me.

paulhgc2002
02-02-2006, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
As I play for a living now,.

so this is your new job ? what did you do before ? how much do you earn/lose ?

DANCOO
02-02-2006, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing

By the way if anyone is interested in 46% rakeback on the prima network please email me.

What sites are on the Prima network?

How can you get 46% rakeback, if two people were on rakeback on the same table, that's 92% rake gone - or does it not work that way?

oz_da II
02-02-2006, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Broken!!!!!!!

About bloody time.
:lux:

Well and truly broken!

Back to back wins.
13 man table.

Heads up started chip leader.
Started getting bullied a bit. Up and down.
90 minutes later it is all sqaure, 400 chips each.

Small blind, receive pocket 7's.
Call the big blind. He raises 5 times the big blind as he's been doing consistently. Exactly what I was hoping for.
I'm all in, he calls. As 6h. I like it.
Flop 7 x x. Turn 7.

You little beauty!!! :lux:

oz_da II
02-02-2006, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by paulhgc2002
so this is your new job ? what did you do before ? how much do you earn/lose ?

Too many questions, Paul.
Check out his website.

paulhgc2002
02-02-2006, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Too many questions, Paul.
Check out his website.

THAT DONT TELL ME NOTHING

PoolKing
02-02-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
What sites are on the Prima network?

How can you get 46% rakeback, if two people were on rakeback on the same table, that's 92% rake gone - or does it not work that way?

Battlefield poker. The rakeback is also good as you can withdraw it once a day, other sites can make you wait until the end of every month before you are allowed it. The only bad thing about battlefield is that you cannot withdraw to debit cards, visa or mastercard so I find the best method is Neteller, though this still takes a long time compared to British sites like Betfair, Ladbrokes and Bet365.

Rakeback isn't a % of the total rake it is the % of your contribution of the rake. So if the rake in a pot is $2 and you contributed $1 of it, you would get 46 cents.

PoolKing
02-02-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by paulhgc2002
so this is your new job ?

what did you do before ?

how much do you earn/lose ?

Yes, I have been playing full time since july last year though played as a part-time source of income for about 8 months before that.

I was at university before and graduated in July.

I wouldn't play if I lost long term, though I have losing weeks, 5 out of the last 17 weeks of 2005 I lost . Income varies, though I aim at the moment for 28000-35000 tax free for the year though as I step up stakes I aim for more.

paulhgc2002
02-02-2006, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Yes, I have been playing full time since july last year though played as a part-time source of income for about 8 months before that.

I was at university before and graduated in July.

I wouldn't play if I lost long term, though I have losing weeks, 5 out of the last 17 weeks of 2005 I lost . Income varies, though I aim at the moment for 28000-35000 tax free for the year though as I step up stakes I aim for more.

now thats a good job to have but there has to be losers

oz_da II
02-02-2006, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by paulhgc2002
now thats a good job to have but there has to be losers

Gee, you weren't born yesterday, Paul....

PoolKing
02-02-2006, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
What sites are on the Prima network?


Sorry I misread your question in my earlier response.

Off the top of my head the rooms on prima I can think of are:

Bet365
Battlefield Poker
Poker Metro
Stan James
Crazy Poker
Bet Hold'em
Royal Vegas

Stan James and Bet365 are the only british based skins of the network

For the full list go to: www.primapoker.com

Prima seems to have a bad reputation amongst americans on poker forums but it is what I use 99% of the time and I have never had massive problems with it. I would rate the multi table tournaments they have every night very highly.

paulhgc2002
02-02-2006, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Gee, you weren't born yesterday, Paul....

no 1970

WorthingEagle
02-02-2006, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by paulhgc2002
now thats a good job to have but there has to be losers

Yes....the people who think poker is gambling. ;)

WorthingEagle
02-02-2006, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing

By the way if anyone is interested in 46% rakeback on the prima network please email me.

Read your site and it was interesting that you are coming up against bad players even at $2/4. I stepped up as high as 2/5 for a time on Betfair but found there just wasn't enough bad players to make it worthwhile. To be honest there wasn't enough players full stop at the higher levels.

Will be playing mostly on Eurobet this month to get my $600 bonus but might well give Prima another try in March - 46% is pretty tempting!

GeeTee
02-02-2006, 04:08 PM
Hi all,

I play a regular live monthly game of Hold 'em and I'm keen to have a go online now.

I've played free tables on Littlewoods but, it's a waste of time with virtual money.

Any advice on what small time tables to play and on what site, just to get me started? I really intend just to be a casual player though, not sure if that is a factor?

willsey
03-02-2006, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by GeeTee
Hi all,

I play a regular live monthly game of Hold 'em and I'm keen to have a go online now.

I've played free tables on Littlewoods but, it's a waste of time with virtual money.

Any advice on what small time tables to play and on what site, just to get me started? I really intend just to be a casual player though, not sure if that is a factor?

Partypoker.com

Allows you to play on the beginers tables for a month and then progress on.

Pm if intersted and i'll email you the details.

PoolKing
03-02-2006, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by GeeTee
Hi all,

I play a regular live monthly game of Hold 'em and I'm keen to have a go online now.

I've played free tables on Littlewoods but, it's a waste of time with virtual money.

Any advice on what small time tables to play and on what site, just to get me started? I really intend just to be a casual player though, not sure if that is a factor?

I think that every site has low limits and a variety to choose from to get you started. Just pick a table with a stake that you can afford to lose and you don't feel much pressure.

I would suggest playing at an english poker room site e.g Bet365, Ladbrokes or Betfair as the deposits are made in and if ever you wanted to withdraw the money it is quick and straightforward.

I would recommend Bet365. Also, on the website www.bet365poker.com there is a 30 minute long video (called bet365 poker school I think) that covers the basics of poker and gives some good tips for beginners.

neilbrown1965
03-02-2006, 09:37 PM
Whats wrong with William Hill - not many people of it ?

Micky Droy
09-02-2006, 11:14 AM
My game is back! Yay!

We must try and have some BBS games again. Maybe Wednesday wasn't the best day with football on telly often.

How about thursday as a day?

How about.... tonight?!

Fester
09-02-2006, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy


How about.... tonight?!

Works for me!!

Micky Droy
09-02-2006, 02:31 PM
That's two - anyone about? You know you want to!

DANCOO
09-02-2006, 02:40 PM
I don't think I can. Lost my card and ordered a new one, and I don't think I've got any money in my account, can't refill until I get me new card details. I'll check when I get home.

Micky Droy
09-02-2006, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I don't think I can. Lost my card and ordered a new one, and I don't think I've got any money in my account, can't refill until I get me new card details. I'll check when I get home.

Ain't it always the way. Soon, then.

oz_da II
11-02-2006, 11:26 PM
A nice $150 profit at the casino last night.

Getting dealt pocket aces and pocket kings twice each helped.
Would have been a lot more had some mug not hit a straight on the river when I had the three wise man.

Reps AJ
12-02-2006, 01:21 AM
A marathon session on one table today started with $35 went to $200, lost it all back down to $35 again but currently at $315 and need to go to bed before I lose it all again!

Reps AJ
12-02-2006, 03:29 PM
:lux:

My best tournament finish - 5th and $181

I love me :love:

WorthingEagle
12-02-2006, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
Bloody hell - I qualified for the French Open last night!

Still hasn't sunk in - won 4,000 euros entry, 5 nights in 4* normandy hotel and travel expenses. Should be an incredible experience playing against all the top pros - I can't wait!!



Just got back from Deauville.....

The first day of the tournament was split over Wednesday and Thursday, I played on Wednesday and made it through to day two.

Only had 13,050 chips at that stage and the blinds were 800-1600 with antes of 150. 5th hand of the day I was dealt jacks, went all-in - only for Willie Tann sitting on my left to call immediately. He turned over Kings, no help from the board - all over. Finished 98th out of 434.

Had Ross Boatman on my table on the first day, had a good old battle with him. I reckon I edged it! :p

Micky Droy
12-02-2006, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
Just got back from Deauville.....

The first day of the tournament was split over Wednesday and Thursday, I played on Wednesday and made it through to day two.

Only had 13,050 chips at that stage and the blinds were 800-1600 with antes of 150. 5th hand of the day I was dealt jacks, went all-in - only for Willie Tann sitting on my left to call immediately. He turned over Kings, no help from the board - all over. Finished 98th out of 434.

Had Ross Boatman on my table on the first day, had a good old battle with him. I reckon I edged it! :p

Nice one and well done for getting that far.

Micky Droy
12-02-2006, 08:21 PM
I just this moment bust out 9th out of 506 on party poker. $30 buy in 15k prize pool. 4 hours play - $227 pay out. Should've... could've...

WorthingEagle
13-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
Just got back from Deauville.....

The first day of the tournament was split over Wednesday and Thursday, I played on Wednesday and made it through to day two.

Only had 13,050 chips at that stage and the blinds were 800-1600 with antes of 150. 5th hand of the day I was dealt jacks, went all-in - only for Willie Tann sitting on my left to call immediately. He turned over Kings, no help from the board - all over. Finished 98th out of 434.

Had Ross Boatman on my table on the first day, had a good old battle with him. I reckon I edged it! :p

A fellow BBS'er was sitting to my left for the last couple of hours of day one, but I've forgotten their BBS name....where are you? :hi:

Reps AJ
14-02-2006, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
My best tournament finish - 5th and $181

Best tournament result tonight, in money terms, 21st and $183 :D

Slowly getting better

DANCOO
15-02-2006, 12:14 AM
New bank card arrived today, so put $35 into my account.

Playing a ring game, fifteen minutes in and I get AKo. I bet $1 pre-flop, get raise to $5. I re-raise all-in about $35, he calls with 56s!!!
F*cking twat.
Turn is a 6 and he wins.
Tell him he's mug and he tells me to re-fill, only I can't, because I had a 20 daily limit set. So I call him a mug again and leave.

I was furious.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

I realise no-one has a god-given right to win ANY hand, and I wasn't a huge favourite, but 56s..calling an all-in, the whol idea with suited connectors is that you need to see the flop, just my luck I get a f*cking monkey on my right isn't it.
Typical.:rolleyes:

KevTheOptimist
15-02-2006, 12:19 AM
BTW from a few pages back, I have stopped my see the flop no matter what tactic on a tight cash table. Am making far more playing my normal game, was just going through a bad time of it - no need to change my game.

KevTheOptimist
15-02-2006, 12:20 AM
Out of interest Reps, what was your touney buy in to allow 21st to pay $183 !

BringBackSasa
15-02-2006, 12:41 AM
After a bad couple of weeks, I came 3rd in a tourney on partypoker last night, picking up $3.7k. Good timing, I was starting to think I might have to get a real job.

Anyone play on Paradise Poker? I need a referral.

WorthingEagle
15-02-2006, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
New bank card arrived today, so put $35 into my account.

Playing a ring game, fifteen minutes in and I get AKo. I bet $1 pre-flop, get raise to $5. I re-raise all-in about $35, he calls with 56s!!!
F*cking twat.
Turn is a 6 and he wins.
Tell him he's mug and he tells me to re-fill, only I can't, because I had a 20 daily limit set. So I call him a mug again and leave.

I was furious.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

I realise no-one has a god-given right to win ANY hand, and I wasn't a huge favourite, but 56s..calling an all-in, the whol idea with suited connectors is that you need to see the flop, just my luck I get a f*cking monkey on my right isn't it.
Typical.:rolleyes:

To be fair going all-in with AK pre-flop isn't good cash play either, but it is bloody annoying when the fish hit against the odds.

DANCOO
15-02-2006, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
To be fair going all-in with AK pre-flop isn't good cash play either, but it is bloody annoying when the fish hit against the odds.

Not a tactic I would usually employ, but seeing I only had $35 I figured it was worth it...obviously I was wrong.

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by KevTheOptimist
Out of interest Reps, what was your touney buy in to allow 21st to pay $183 !

It was a $30 R&A with $40,000 guaranteed, only needed my original $30 buy-in though so quite happy - I'm amazed at the people who just chuck all their chips in the middle and bust out only to keep re-buying and going out again :eek:

Thinking about it, I should have folded the hand I went out on as next place was about $275 but I was the short stack...

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by BringBackSasa
After a bad couple of weeks, I came 3rd in a tourney on partypoker last night, picking up $3.7k. Good timing, I was starting to think I might have to get a real job.

Anyone play on Paradise Poker? I need a referral.

Nice result :p

I play on Paradise, drop us a PM if you like

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Not a tactic I would usually employ, but seeing I only had $35 I figured it was worth it...obviously I was wrong.

Thats a harsh result. The first bet said you at least had something so it was a mad call to go over the top with 56, especially for what probably wasn't a big pot at the time

saul1664
15-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
New bank card arrived today, so put $35 into my account.

Playing a ring game, fifteen minutes in and I get AKo. I bet $1 pre-flop, get raise to $5. I re-raise all-in about $35, he calls with 56s!!!
F*cking twat.
Turn is a 6 and he wins.
Tell him he's mug and he tells me to re-fill, only I can't, because I had a 20 daily limit set. So I call him a mug again and leave.

I was furious.:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

I realise no-one has a god-given right to win ANY hand, and I wasn't a huge favourite, but 56s..calling an all-in, the whol idea with suited connectors is that you need to see the flop, just my luck I get a f*cking monkey on my right isn't it.
Typical.:rolleyes:

Same thing happened to me, raise pre-flop, hit high two pair on flop, called all in, can't see what on earth he has to beat me so go all in as well, he turns over pair of 2's :eek: - didn't come back after I relieved him of his money. Think new players don't realise that it's pretty hard to bluff on online poker and was probably expecting you to drop, unfortunate your hand didn't stand up, but if you meet these players 7 or 8 out of 10 times you are probably going to win.

DANCOO
15-02-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
Think new players don't realise that it's pretty hard to bluff on online poker and was probably expecting you to drop.

The thing was though, I bet $1, he raised $5, I then went all in $35...then he calls me!!!

He called $35 pre-flop holding 56s???

It just makes no sense.

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 01:55 PM
He might have been (a) drunk (b) an idiot (c) pressing the wrong button (done this a couple of times myself but never all in :moo: ) or (d) just a complete maniac who will go broke soon

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 01:57 PM
Or perhaps he interpreted your initial raise as weak and you re-raise as a bluff. Mind you, you'd still need to be a bit nutty when only holding 56s

DANCOO
15-02-2006, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Or perhaps he interpreted your initial raise as weak and you re-raise as a bluff. Mind you, you'd still need to be a bit nutty when only holding 56s

I think he'd been reading too much Bronson and regarded suited conenctors as the nuts.









56s:rolleyes:

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I think he'd been reading too much Bronson and regarded suited conenctors as the nuts.

You mean they're not? :eek: Strange, I've just won big with them. I was playing last night and I was holding low suited connectors when this guy made a small raise, I decided to re-raise him to see what he had but he went all-in. With my hand it was an obvious call and I took all his money off him when my 6 paired. He wasn't happy I can tell you!*















*Not actually true, but you've got to laught it off otherwise it'll annoy the hell out of you - tilt city

Reps AJ
15-02-2006, 02:50 PM
If it helps any, I was playing a limit tournament the other day and got dealt AA, despite raising and re-raising and with a flop of 3Q7 some idiot stayed in with K10 to hit a straight on the river to knock me out.

WorthingEagle
15-02-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
The thing was though, I bet $1, he raised $5, I then went all in $35...then he calls me!!!

He called $35 pre-flop holding 56s???

It just makes no sense.

What limit was it? I'm assuming $0.25/0.50? If I was re-raised $5 at that level I'd put down the AK in a flash.

Yes, his play is incredibly bad, and although it turned out he didn't have AA, KK, QQ, JJ which is what I would have put him on, I wouldn't put all my money at risk on a draw, which is all AK is.

Doesn't excuse his play though, some people just like to gamble I guess, they like beating the odds.

DANCOO
15-02-2006, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
What limit was it? I'm assuming $0.25/0.50? If I was re-raised $5 at that level I'd put down the AK in a flash.

Yes, his play is incredibly bad, and although it turned out he didn't have AA, KK, QQ, JJ which is what I would have put him on, I wouldn't put all my money at risk on a draw, which is all AK is.

Doesn't excuse his play though, some people just like to gamble I guess, they like beating the odds.

It was $0.50/$1.00 ( I bet small because I was UTG ).

The problem with playing at levels as low as this though, is people do bluff all the time ( as proved ). And if you lay your hand down time after time, you may aswell leave the table as people will pick up on it. I would rarely ( perhaps never, depending on pot odds ),call an all-in raise with AKo, but raising all my money in on it is slightly different ( and partly down to the fact I was only playing with $35 anyway ).
The problem I have is I find someone calling an all-in raise with 56s to be utterly ridiculous.

WorthingEagle
15-02-2006, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
It was $0.50/$1.00 ( I bet small because I was UTG ).

The problem with playing at levels as low as this though, is people do bluff all the time ( as proved ). And if you lay your hand down time after time, you may aswell leave the table as people will pick up on it. I would rarely ( perhaps never, depending on pot odds ),call an all-in raise with AKo, but raising all my money in on it is slightly different ( and partly down to the fact I was only playing with $35 anyway ).
The problem I have is I find someone calling an all-in raise with 56s to be utterly ridiculous.

I mainly play 0.50/1, the standard is poor but I haven't seen a huge amount of bluffing - just people playing bad cards and calling raises with them. What site is it?

Regarding the flat call with AK UTG, that's pretty dangerous. The pot could potentially then have 6 or 7 people limping in, if a couple have rag aces you could be in all sorts of trouble if an ace falls on the flop. In a raised pot an A84 flop looks very nice - in a cheap family pot AK could easily be behind to two pair, trips, random straights & flushes.

I like to take control of the hand when I think I have the best hand - if someone wants to re-raise me when I have AK then they can have it. If they're bluffing me with 56s, then good luck to them, cos next time I'll have a big pair and they're in trouble. :p

DANCOO
15-02-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
I mainly play 0.50/1, the standard is poor but I haven't seen a huge amount of bluffing - just people playing bad cards and calling raises with them. What site is it?

Regarding the flat call with AK UTG, that's pretty dangerous. The pot could potentially then have 6 or 7 people limping in, if a couple have rag aces you could be in all sorts of trouble if an ace falls on the flop. In a raised pot an A84 flop looks very nice - in a cheap family pot AK could easily be behind to two pair, trips, random straights & flushes.

I like to take control of the hand when I think I have the best hand - if someone wants to re-raise me when I have AK then they can have it. If they're bluffing me with 56s, then good luck to them, cos next time I'll have a big pair and they're in trouble. :p

Fair comments:p ( BTW, my error, I raised $1.00, not flat called ).

saul1664
15-02-2006, 04:53 PM
Problem is unless you have a lunatic on the table, any relative raise even 3 will see most people folding, the only exception is if someone has a very strong hand pre-flop, i.e. KK AA etc. Have had hands of 4 of a kind, winning just 2 on the hand, any raises of 50p leading to instant folds, I always try a relatively small raise on these tables on strong hands (i.e. 2.50) and see what the flop contains before steadily winding the stakes up over turn and river, not too sure how this works on higher tables, though find that back door flushes/straights are never picked up on the lower tables.

PoolKing
15-02-2006, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
I wouldn't put all my money at risk on a draw, which is all AK is.


This is a very good point. I must say in my time playing poker, AK is the hand that I have learnt the most from. It is a strong hand but is not a made hand and is one of the most frequently overplayed hand on the internet I would say.

It is ok being the aggressor with it but too many people call all their chips with it without thinking.

In the hand Dancoo mentions, he plays it as the aggressor and the guy makes a stupid call so you just have to move on.

However to call it a bad beat is false, AKo only has a 58% chance of winning against 56s.

oz_da II
23-02-2006, 02:21 AM
Anyone had a worse bad beat than this?

http://www.wisehandpoker.com/Handofday/archive/the-nate-clarke-hand.php

What are the chances??? :eek:

DANCOO
23-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Can someone explain to me how the stats work on poker sites. On both William Hill and Ladbrokes, the figure in 'No. of flops seen', is always around 50% - 60%, when I know I don't see nearly as much as 50% of the flop, it's probably 25% at best.
Am I interpreting these figures incorrectly?

BringBackSasa
23-02-2006, 05:30 PM
I think most sites include when you are one of the blinds.

DANCOO
23-02-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by BringBackSasa
I think most sites include when you are one of the blinds.

Even when you don't see the flop?

BringBackSasa
23-02-2006, 05:39 PM
No, but those figures seem suspect. I only look at the stats on paradise & party poker. I'm usually at around 25% (only play tournaments though).

christopher
24-02-2006, 01:54 AM
Absolute has me down as 43% which I would say is a little high. But I imagine I'm wrong.

Reps AJ
24-02-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by christopher
Absolute has me down as 43% which I would say is a little high. But I imagine I'm wrong.

Its quite easy to play more hands than you realise, remember on a ten handed table 20% is only 2 hands a round so if you play a few hands plus limp into the pot from the blinds it starts to add up. I'm making a conscious effort to play a lot less hands at the moment with positive results.

DANCOO
25-02-2006, 10:25 PM
What a sequence of hands I've just had, and nobody bit.

KK - $2 raise, everone folds.

Next hand...

KK - $2 rasie, everyone folds.

Next hand...

AA - ( Thinking if I stick with a $2 raise, someone is bound to get pissed off and re-rasie )...everyone folds.:bash:

I've seen about 25 hands on this table, and have had pocket pairs no less than eight times, if only it was like that all the time. :D

DANCOO
25-02-2006, 11:23 PM
Same table, just flopped quad 9's holding A9.

stevejfh
25-02-2006, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Same table, just flopped quad 9's holding A9. Tried to trap & lost to a straight flush.

:sob:

DANCOO
25-02-2006, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by stevejfh
:sob:

And after all that, I'm up a rather impressive $3.16:D

saul1664
26-02-2006, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
What a sequence of hands I've just had, and nobody bit.

KK - $2 raise, everone folds.

Next hand...

KK - $2 rasie, everyone folds.

Next hand...

AA - ( Thinking if I stick with a $2 raise, someone is bound to get pissed off and re-rasie )...everyone folds.:bash:

I've seen about 25 hands on this table, and have had pocket pairs no less than eight times, if only it was like that all the time. :D

On cash table will go $2-$3 on any double (even 2's), would rather win scraps then slow play and get beat, sometimes you will get called in, sometimes you won't, although admittedly I got beat in a tournament in the latter stages by someone slow playing KK, two hands later go all in with pocket 9's to redeem my stack, same player all in, turns over KK again. Came out with 96p profit after one and a half hours play :eek: :bash:

DANCOO
26-02-2006, 10:02 PM
I don't think I have EVER apologised for beating someone on the poker table...unitil now.

I'm in the small blind, someone raises $2, I re-raise $5, he re-raises $12, I re-raise $25, he types in 'AA?', waits a little while and then goes all in - total about......

* I must interrupt - Mid-typing this I am getting really f*cked off - trip 5's cracked by some c*unt hitting runner runner for all his cash, AA nearly all but wiped some other bloke out who then flops a flush with crap hole cards after calling my KK raise ( I hit another K on the flop also :veryangry :veryangry ), and takes about $25 back off of me *

......$65. I call him, he's holding KK, I've got AA. An A on the flop seals his doom.

Two hands later I raise $2 and the same bloke calls. Flop comes 29Q, I check - he bets $2, I raise $5, he goes all-in and I call him. He's holding KQ...I've got AA again :D :D
I win the pot, apologise, he calls me a conman and leaves.:D :D

And as I'm typing this, 20 minutes later, the same bloke has just re-joined my table :lux:

DANCOO
26-02-2006, 10:08 PM
This is without a doubt the craziest table I have ever been on, and I finally know what it is like to be sitting in a hot seat. I am hitting hand after hand after hand. Aswell as this, I have seen sooooo many suited flop-turns it is becoming odd not to see four of the same suit on the table. Just a very strange table overall really. I feal like I'm in the twilight zone.

DANCOO
26-02-2006, 10:22 PM
F*CK...flopped trips AGAIN, went all in, called by two others who both flopped a straight...unbelievable. Only about $45 up now...bastards, would have put me $200 up.

DANCOO
26-02-2006, 10:38 PM
Called it a day, up about $37 on that table in the end - this makes me up about $5 for the day. So much potential ended in absolute mediocracy.

What the Lord giveth...

DANCOO
27-02-2006, 01:51 PM
Just did my best lay down.

I re-raised a $2 raise, this got re-raised and then an all-in call.

I laid down my QQ.

The two left in the pot had KQ???, and AA.

Feeling very pleased with myself...the AA won with a full house - A's full of 5's.

:lux:

oz_da II
27-02-2006, 02:36 PM
Well, I laid down trip aces last week.
Holding AA

Bet 3xBB, one caller, QJx on the flop, check, I bet 3xBB again, call A on the turn.
He goes all in, had a qood think, asked a few questions. He's tight.
Flipped them over and said "nice hand, well played".

He eventually flips over K10.

Won it that night as well.

Makes up for my pressing the call button instead of the fold button in a heads up the previous day. Was $11,000 to $3,000 up and ended up losing. :clown:

Anyone done that before?

DANCOO
27-02-2006, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Well, I laid down trip aces last week.
Holding AA

Bet 3xBB, one caller, QJx on the flop, check, I bet 3xBB again, call A on the turn.
He goes all in, had a qood think, asked a few questions. He's tight.
Flipped them over and said "nice hand, well played".

He eventually flips over K10.

Won it that night as well.

Makes up for my pressing the call button instead of the fold button in a heads up the previous day. Was $11,000 to $3,000 up and ended up losing. :clown:

Anyone done that before?

Not on anything big. Plenty of times I've gone all-in instead of folding, never been called though.

oz_da II
27-02-2006, 02:47 PM
Forgot to say, he'd gone all in and I had 10 high. :moo:

DANCOO
27-02-2006, 03:19 PM
If anyone is currently logged on to Ladbrokes, one of the worlds best online cash players is in action - Pokergirl.

Strathclyde Eagle
27-02-2006, 03:25 PM
Who's that then? Thought Jennifer Harman was purely on Full Tilt Poker?

DANCOO
27-02-2006, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
Who's that then? Thought Jennifer Harman was purely on Full Tilt Poker?

It's a bloke called Morten Erlandsen.

He's playing a $10/$20 No-Limit table - Actaeon.

Max buy-in is $2,000, he's up to $10,000+

BringBackSasa
27-02-2006, 03:42 PM
Played with him a quite a bit, although he seems to play less tournaments now. Dodgy name, good player.

DANCOO
27-02-2006, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by BringBackSasa
Played with him a quite a bit, although he seems to play less tournaments now. Dodgy name, good player.

What's his 'style' for want of a better word?

BringBackSasa
27-02-2006, 04:08 PM
From what I remember he's quite loose & aggressive, so obviously hard to read. But my memory might be just be sterotyping all Scandinavians as crazy players, because they all seem to be on Ladbrokes.

DANCOO
27-02-2006, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by BringBackSasa
From what I remember he's quite loose & aggressive, so obviously hard to read. But my memory might be just be sterotyping all Scandinavians as crazy players, because they all seem to be on Ladbrokes.

From what I saw, he played very few hands and was reading others quite well. Difficult to tell though as few hands went to a showdown.

Strathclyde Eagle
27-02-2006, 04:42 PM
Deceptive username obviously, at one time anyway.

Was he the guy who Mike Matsusow figured out how he was bluffing at the WSOP? Something to do with the way he threw his chips in when he raised I believe.

Reps AJ
27-02-2006, 10:02 PM
Oops, just pissed some bloke off beating his straight with a flush I shouldn't have been playing

DANCOO
28-02-2006, 09:53 AM
Decision time.

When I was playing and winning a year or so ago, I moved up a level and was having good success until things started going wrong and I lost all my profit.

It's taken me about a month or two to get back to winning ways, but from my last credit of $35, I have got my balance up to $530 from playing solid play over the last two weeks - I am in profit virtually every day, be it $5 or $50.

The problem I seem to have when I move up a level, is I can't seem to drop back down if things aren't going too well, as the smaller limits seem to become 'boring' almost.

Anyone else have this problem?

I was on $330 yesterday lunch time, and set my target to move up a level at $400, only by this morning I have already hit $530.

I can't decide whether or not to continue trundling along at the rate I'm going, or move up a level for bigger gains. I'm currently playing $0.25/$0.50.

Anyone?

saul1664
28-02-2006, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Decision time.

When I was playing and winning a year or so ago, I moved up a level and was having good success until things started going wrong and I lost all my profit.

It's taken me about a month or two to get back to winning ways, but from my last credit of $35, I have got my balance up to $530 from playing solid play over the last two weeks - I am in profit virtually every day, be it $5 or $50.

The problem I seem to have when I move up a level, is I can't seem to drop back down if things aren't going too well, as the smaller limits seem to become 'boring' almost.

Anyone else have this problem?

I was on $330 yesterday lunch time, and set my target to move up a level at $400, only by this morning I have already hit $530.

I can't decide whether or not to continue trundling along at the rate I'm going, or move up a level for bigger gains. I'm currently playing $0.25/$0.50.

Anyone?

That's not a bad profit by any means on a $0.25/$0.50 table, I think that you are supposed to play at any one time with 5% of your bank, so $530 would be about $25, problem with the more expensive tables is that you often get huge raises by people who have nothing meaning that if your bank is small, you are all-in in one hand or continually dropping. I'd keep going wherever your comfort zone is at the moment.

PoolKing
28-02-2006, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
I think that you are supposed to play at any one time with 5% of your bank

Yes, most schools say that you should play at a level where you have 20 times the buy-in although this figure is subjective, it is really about personal comfort. For me, I have concluded that 10 times the buy-in is suffiecient for me to play and feel under no pressure. So for $100 (0.5/0.1) NL rooms I need $1000 (though am currently playing with less) but I have now made it a rule that I don't move up to $200 rooms until I have $2000 on the site.

I cannot overemphasise how important money management. I have recently been on my worst run ever losing ALL of my $2000 bankroll and it has forced me to assess what I have been doing wrong. One of the weaknesses in my poker was that I have never had good money management, it is too easy to get overconfident when things are going well and step up to stakes when you don't honestly have the back-up funds. When things are going well then it is good but as soon as a bit of bad luck hits you you lose 1/2 of the money you have on the site and it soon takes a snowball effect.

So, before playing in a room, ask yourself.....can I afford to lose what I am investing here? Will it be a big deal if I lose it all? etc...

DANCOO
28-02-2006, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by saul1664
That's not a bad profit by any means on a $0.25/$0.50 table, I think that you are supposed to play at any one time with 5% of your bank, so $530 would be about $25, problem with the more expensive tables is that you often get huge raises by people who have nothing meaning that if your bank is small, you are all-in in one hand or continually dropping. I'd keep going wherever your comfort zone is at the moment.

I always buy-in for the max if I have it, for the reason mentioned above. Also, when you have the nuts and there is a lot of action, you want to get as much in as you can. Problem is, you only need to have a couple of bad days before you get cleaned out if you don't have the balance to support the buy-ins.

I might stick at this level for a little while longer, see how things go in the next week.

DANCOO
28-02-2006, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing


I cannot overemphasise how important money management. I have recently been on my worst run ever losing ALL of my $2000 bankroll and it has forced me to assess what I have been doing wrong. One of the weaknesses in my poker was that I have never had good money management, it is too easy to get overconfident when things are going well and step up to stakes when you don't honestly have the back-up funds. When things are going well then it is good but as soon as a bit of bad luck hits you you lose 1/2 of the money you have on the site and it soon takes a snowball effect.



PoolKing, am I right in assuming that you are taking all living expenses out of your profits - ie. that $2000 bankroll is not all you profits.

PoolKing
28-02-2006, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
PoolKing, am I right in assuming that you are taking all living expenses out of your profits - ie. that $2000 bankroll is not all you profits.

Yes, at the start of the year I started with $200 and built it up slowly but as I was going along I did withdraw some profits for living costs although I always make sure that I have at least one month's set expenditure set aside in reserve in case I go on a bad run and lose and unfortunately earlier in this month I had to eat into this:sob:

Basically, if I have a bankroll of say $1000....win $250 in a session I would perhaps withdraw $150 and add $100 to my bankroll to make it $1100...I don't have any set withdrawal/add to bankroll ratio though.

WorthingEagle
28-02-2006, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing


I cannot overemphasise how important money management. I have recently been on my worst run ever losing ALL of my $2000 bankroll and it has forced me to assess what I have been doing wrong. One of the weaknesses in my poker was that I have never had good money management, it is too easy to get overconfident when things are going well and step up to stakes when you don't honestly have the back-up funds. When things are going well then it is good but as soon as a bit of bad luck hits you you lose 1/2 of the money you have on the site and it soon takes a snowball effect.



I'm glad this happens to other people as well - I'm taking a break for a couple of weeks because for a spell of 48 hours I couldn't win a pot to save my life. I could be 70%, 80%, 99% favourite, and everytime some fish would make their hand, having paid way over the odds for the draw in the first place. For the first time in two years I then went on tilt and bad poker + bad luck = bye bye $$$.

I lost my $300 profit and another $200 in a few hours. Luckily, I only needed another 50 hands to get a $600 bonus from Eurobet, which cushioned the blow a bit, but I was still $500 worse off than I would have been.

DANCOO
01-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Had quads twice today, and got all my cash in on both of them.:lux: :lux:

DANCOO
02-03-2006, 03:32 PM
What would you have done?

One small raise, four people in the pot.

Flop - 10c 10s Ks

I'm holding As 10d

Everyone checks.

Turn - Js

Two people in front check, I bet $2 in to a $4 pot.

Everyone folds.

Only after everyone had thrown away their hands did I twig that I only needed the Qs for a Royal Flush.

Would you have bet in the same situation to get some money in the pot and prevent anyone outdrawing you, or would you have gone for glory?

I've had a Royal Flush using both hole cards before, but it's grating on me slightly that I missed out on a small opportunity to get another.

Strathclyde Eagle
02-03-2006, 04:52 PM
If you're playing for a Royal Flush you're drawing to one card. Very long odds - about an 8% chance of hitting?

Were you in early or late position in the hand? If late you might have checked, if early I think you need to put something out there to protect your hand.

DANCOO
02-03-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Strathclyde Eagle
If you're playing for a Royal Flush you're drawing to one card. Very long odds - about an 8% chance of hitting?

Were you in early or late position in the hand? If late you might have checked, if early I think you need to put something out there to protect your hand.

I was third to play out of four.
I think I had the hand pretty much sewn up before then.

Would you have tried to get some cash into the pot at the risk of not being able to see the river?

Strathclyde Eagle
02-03-2006, 05:01 PM
I think at the stage you did it everyone at the table would have thought you'd completed a flush with that. Best left to the river if you'd wanted a bigger pot.

PoolKing
02-03-2006, 05:11 PM
If you had hit the royal flush there would have been 4 cards to the flush on the board so it is unlikely you would have got any action anyway unless somebody held a full house but from the checks on the flop and turn, that was not likely.

PoolKing
02-03-2006, 05:16 PM
Also if you did river the royal and have the best hand it would have been frustrating to hold a monster and not get paid off at all:grrr:

DANCOO
02-03-2006, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Also if you did river the royal and have the best hand it would have been frustrating to hold a monster and not get paid off at all:grrr:

I would have been happy to have got it for the kudos alone.:)

WorthingEagle
04-03-2006, 11:32 PM
Just had my most gutting experience in poker.

Qualified for tournament on betfair, $705+45. 33 entrants, winner goes to the WSOP, 2nd $4k, 3rd $2.5k, 4th $1.5k.

Doing well, get down to the final 11, comfortably in 5th.

Guy in 1st pos raises 3xBB, I've got KK on BB so re-raise him. He goes in for a few thousand more, I call. He turns over AK.

Of course. Of course. There's the Ace on the flop.

I win that pot, I've got the biggest stack and I make the money at least. Unbelieveable, yet, believeable.

:sob: :bash: :bash: :bash: :sob: :grrr: :veryangry

DANCOO
04-03-2006, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
Just had my most gutting experience in poker.

Qualified for tournament on betfair, $705+45. 33 entrants, winner goes to the WSOP, 2nd $4k, 3rd $2.5k, 4th $1.5k.

Doing well, get down to the final 11, comfortably in 5th.

Guy in 1st pos raises 3xBB, I've got KK on BB so re-raise him. He goes in for a few thousand more, I call. He turns over AK.

Of course. Of course. There's the Ace on the flop.

I win that pot, I've got the biggest stack and I make the money at least. Unbelieveable, yet, believeable.

:sob: :bash: :bash: :bash: :sob: :grrr: :veryangry

Very unlucky.

Not near as bad as that, but I just missed out on my first finish in the money.
$12,000 Multi $20 re-buy, 295 entrants top 30 paid, was sitting in 6th at one point. 37 left and sitting in 26th, I went about 30 hands without getting a thing, everyone around me was increasing their chips. I eventually try to steal one call and the blinds by going all in with KQ, get called by KK.
I go out in 37th.
Within 5 minutes another five had dropped out. If I held on, I would have at least have made the money.
I'm not too despondant, as my tourney play is pretty awful at the moment, whereas my cash game is spot on.
Need to be more prepared to take risks later on in the tourneys.

WorthingEagle
05-03-2006, 12:05 AM
The guy who knocked me out has just gone out in 5th, winning sweet FA. I feel a little better now that the idiot who went over the top of a re-raise with AK isn't going to the World Series.

DANCOO
05-03-2006, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
The guy who knocked me out has just gone out in 5th, winning sweet FA. I feel a little better now that the idiot who went over the top of a re-raise with AK isn't going to the World Series.

:D

DANCOO
07-03-2006, 09:20 AM
I just witnessed two pre-flop all-ins of AA v AA.

........four diamonds hit the board.:D :D

Reps AJ
07-03-2006, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I just witnessed two pre-flop all-ins of AA v AA.

........four diamonds hit the board.:D :D

:D I've seen it with KK v KK with one of them hitting a flush on the river but not AA

Micky Droy
09-03-2006, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Anyone done that before?

I once accidentally raised with 6 2 (suited though!). There were three others in the pot betting big. I hit trip suixes and took something like 300 dollars!

My game seems to have done well for a break. I;ve placed in four tourneys in the last couple of weeks, about 1 in 2, with two final tables. Still haven;t won one though.

I love the sit n go tables - $50 or $100 buy in. A good chance of money, takes about an hour to play, and good practice for tourneys and later stages.

I still have the habit of playing after a night out though and losing $$ :bash:

Micky Droy
09-03-2006, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO

I can't decide whether or not to continue trundling along at the rate I'm going, or move up a level for bigger gains. I'm currently playing $0.25/$0.50.


I've followed your posts on here with great interest Dancoo.

It may be horrible advice but I would step up a level. That way, you might get a more seasoned game - less wallies giving you their chips perhaps, but less freakish draws by limpers and crazies.

I think you play mostly on Laddies?

The 1/2 game there seems to have tightened up over the last year with players seeing the flop down to about 50% of the time. That's of course still way loose compared to offline and to how you probably want to play (though factor in if it's 6 person tables that there's a blind a third of the time). but still - the swings of fortune could oddly be smaller on levels higher than the small change blinds ones.

Though avoid tables taht are being dominated as it in effect makes the opening bet more expensive.

DANCOO
09-03-2006, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
I've followed your posts on here with great interest Dancoo.

It may be horrible advice but I would step up a level. That way, you might get a more seasoned game - less wallies giving you their chips perhaps, but less freakish draws by limpers and crazies.

I think you play mostly on Laddies?

The 1/2 game there seems to have tightened up over the last year with players seeing the flop down to about 50% of the time. That's of course still way loose compared to offline and to how you probably want to play (though factor in if it's 6 person tables that there's a blind a third of the time). but still - the swings of fortune could oddly be smaller on levels higher than the small change blinds ones.

Though avoid tables taht are being dominated as it in effect makes the opening bet more expensive.

I actually have a game plan, and it's working very well.

About three weeks ago I was down to $12 in my account.
I played an $11 sit 'n' go, and won, bringing me up to $45.
After putting it on a $0.25/$0.50 cash table, everything just clicked into place.
I don't know how it happened, but suddenly the penny has dropped and I am able to pick up reads, read the table, read the hands, and play a game that suits me.
In three weeks I have won everyday except for maybe three. Sometimes $5, sometimes $50.
From that last $12 I had in my account, I am now up tp $1,200.00 in three weeks.
I play the same way, all day, everyday.
I had a bad run on Monday just gone, when I went about 60 hands without hitting a single thing, and thought it must be how I was playing, so I tweaked how I was playing slightly and started losing. I was down $150 before I realised there was nothing wrong with how I had been playing, I was just having a bad run. For the next two days I was pretty much even, but today I am up about $150 again.
I plan to continue to play this way until I am up to $2,200.00 - this should take me a little over another week, only then will I move up a level ( I am going to stick to the 5% rule ). Even though I could happily go up a level right now, I figure it's good discipline to continue as I am and play to a strict strategy.
I don't want to jinx myself, but my cash game is so on form at the moment, I am genuinally surprised if I don't win everyday, and if I do all my stack in a big pot, it has no effect on me as I know I will be back in profit before the end of the day. Maybe it helps, the fact that I play around 1500 hands per week, and see about 3000 ( which reminds me, I really need to sign up to RakeBack ). Oh yeah, I see the flop about 50% of the time ( 6 player tables ).

...my tournament play remains appalling, even though I did finish in the money on a MTT for the first time earlier this week.

Micky Droy
09-03-2006, 11:01 PM
Sounds sensible Dancoo, and nice play.

Check this hand out from just now - I'm UKPockets and have KQ.

> Filipm posted small blind ($2.50)
> Atul posted big blind ($5)
> Game # 447,071,975 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> UKPockets raised for $10
> _Spark_ raised for $40
> Dangerous100 folded
> Filipm folded
> fergie123 sits down
> Atul folded
> UKPockets called for $30
> Dealing the Flop(2QK)
> UKPockets bet for $5
> _Spark_ raised for $70
> UKPockets called for $65
> Dealing the turn(Q)
> UKPockets bet for $10
> _Spark_ raised for $160
> UKPockets called for $150
> Dealing the river(4)
> UKPockets went all-in for $193
> _Spark_ called for $193
> UKPockets shows a Full House, Queens full of Kings
(QQQKK)
> _Spark_ mucked
> UKPockets wins $931.50 with a Full House, Queens full of Kings

Sorry about that - just before that cash game I was knocked out 7th with the top five going through to the WSOP weekly final. I had KK, he had AA. Fair dos, but you see the KK and think you;re in there. So I feel like bigging myself up for that lucky KQ hand!

PoolKing
09-03-2006, 11:55 PM
Regarding moving up levels....I realised when I looked at my pokertracker stats that just because higher levels tend to have bigger stacks and more money at the table it does not automatically mean that you will step up a level and win more even if your standard of play improves.

I have played roughly an equal amount of hands at $100 level and $200 level and have won more at the $100 tables. This could have occured for many reasons but I put it down to it being easier at lower stakes as players are willing to call big bets/all-ins with weaker hands whereas the higher you move, the quality of opposition increases.

DANCOO
10-03-2006, 10:49 AM
PoolKing, how many hours do you play a day?

BTW, nice pot there M_D.

WorthingEagle
10-03-2006, 11:08 AM
blimey....I'd be furious if someone called my $40 re-raise with KQ and hit two-pair.....

PoolKing
10-03-2006, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
PoolKing, how many hours do you play a day?


It depends really but I average around 4-5 hours per day. After my last losing run I assessed that quality is better than quantity....I was playing some massive sessions in a day and it burns you out and you lose concentration and sharpness so when I am in a session as soon as I start to feel like I am losing interest I stop.

I used to do 8-9 hours (average) a day, 7 days a week but now stick to a rule of having 2 full days full days off and average around the 4-5 hour mark and so far, that change has made my results noticably better after a slump.

james powell
10-03-2006, 12:30 PM
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DANCOO
10-03-2006, 01:50 PM
Is anyone successful at both tourney and cash games?
If so, how much does your game change for each one.

I'm enetered into the raked hands freeroll again, and the prizepool is pretty big. I get entered every week but never ever feature anywhere near the paid places. I can't seem to adapt my cash game enough to play tourneys.

What areas of your game do you find you need to change/tweak the most to go from cash to tourney?

Micky Droy
10-03-2006, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Is anyone successful at both tourney and cash games?
If so, how much does your game change for each one.

I'm enetered into the raked hands freeroll again, and the prizepool is pretty big. I get entered every week but never ever feature anywhere near the paid places. I can't seem to adapt my cash game enough to play tourneys.

What areas of your game do you find you need to change/tweak the most to go from cash to tourney?

At times at both, though not at others. But when my game is good on one it tends to be good on the other, and vice versa.

Tourney is very different. You need to change pace a number of times. Also you have to be aware of how players react differently when they can't just reload, and how they play when the bubble is coming. You have to navigate through the all-iners, but keep an eye on the main chance of a big score against them.

You need to throw away a lot of hands (threw away eg, AJ, JJ, KQ, lots of low pairs last night because the betting and position was worng). Position I think becomes even more crucial. Also blind stealing is vital in later rounds, as is resisting blind steals. And if you play 50% of hands in a tourney you will probably burn brightly but briefly. When I'm playing badly in tourneys usually the simplest way to get back on form is to play less hands. I hope to play about 20% of hands over the whole thing, and win towards 50% of flops I see. However, I'm no great shakes and haven;t cracked it myself - but when I do well that's generally how it's happened. Others have other styles though.

But hey - you;ve won five BBS single table tourneys so you must have it going on :p We should ressurect those maybe.

PoolKing
10-03-2006, 02:40 PM
Since last september my tournament game has improved dramitically, I used to have the occasional high finish but now since december last month I have finished In the Money (ITM) in 1 in 3 of the Multi Table Tournaments (MTTs) I have played in.

When I play cash, I play 6 seaters and am far more loose. MTTs are 10 seaters and I notice that I do well when I am tight. Sometimes in the first hour of a tournament I only play 3-5 hands!

Here is what I would say has improved my results:

* Tightness, in the early stages especially. This can pay off in the later stages when blind stealing becomes more important as when you raise people will know it is rare so you get more respect.

* Position decisions: In tournaments I pay more attention to position....for example I will play more hands in a later position if I can limp in, whilst I wouldn't play the same hand in an early position as there is more chance of being raised. KJ is a good example....it is a hand that I rarely even limp in with in early position as I am uncomfortable calling raises with it.

* All-ins: Generally I will never put all my chips at risk with less than A high......I have seen many people call with KJ for all their chips and if you are raised what hand is KJ really beating??? I am also careful of AJ, particularly of calling an all-in with it....if you are raised then it is likely that the raiser has better than AJ and if he has AQ or AK you are well behind.

* Pocket Pairs: Usually I weakly limp in, raise small or call a small raise with pocket pairs up to 99. If they don't hit or if there are overcards on the board I generally fold to aggression...never get attached, after all e.g 6 6 is only really 50/50 against any two overcards! If I am low on chips then I may go all-in and take a gamble as long as I feel I am ahead.....although I know I am only likely to be marginally ahead.

* Patience: Never panic and play hands you normally wouldn't just because you are falling behind the chip average. Even with say 1000 chips and the average is 4000 you only have to double up twice to get back on track, you may as well wait rather than exit early.

* AK: AK is the hand I see most overplayed on internet poker. I rarely would call a raise I respect for ALL my chips with AK as it is a drawing hand, albeit a strong one....I would defintely 99% fold to a re-reraise. When I play it I like to be the raiser and dont like to flat call or call a raise with it.

* Hand attachment: Never be afraid of laying down a big hand after the flop if you feel you are beat...it is better to stay in the game with half your stack rather than lose it all just because you hand a strong hand preflop.

* Blind steals: I tend to loosen up as the blinds become more significant and attempt occasional blind steals with A high hands or weaker hands than I would have played before.

PoolKing
10-03-2006, 02:55 PM
I think this is a problem that a lot of players have. I was talking to who I regard as one of the best cash players for the levels I play at and he was telling me how badly he did at tournaments...I then watched him a few times and he was pretty bad and it really shocked me.

Perhaps if you are a good cash player you try to play tournaments in the same way. I would suggest that you view cash and tournaments as two completely separate games. When you play a tournament just forget all your cash game rules and define a new set of successful plays specifically for tournaments.

DANCOO
10-03-2006, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Since last september my tournament game has improved dramitically, I used to have the occasional high finish but now since december last month I have finished In the Money (ITM) in 1 in 3 of the Multi Table Tournaments (MTTs) I have played in.

When I play cash, I play 6 seaters and am far more loose. MTTs are 10 seaters and I notice that I do well when I am tight. Sometimes in the first hour of a tournament I only play 3-5 hands!

Here is what I would say has improved my results:

* Tightness, in the early stages especially. This can pay off in the later stages when blind stealing becomes more important as when you raise people will know it is rare so you get more respect.

* Position decisions: In tournaments I pay more attention to position....for example I will play more hands in a later position if I can limp in, whilst I wouldn't play the same hand in an early position as there is more chance of being raised. KJ is a good example....it is a hand that I rarely even limp in with in early position as I am uncomfortable calling raises with it.

* All-ins: Generally I will never put all my chips at risk with less than A high......I have seen many people call with KJ for all their chips and if you are raised what hand is KJ really beating??? I am also careful of AJ, particularly of calling an all-in with it....if you are raised then it is likely that the raiser has better than AJ and if he has AQ or AK you are well behind.

* Pocket Pairs: Usually I weakly limp in, raise small or call a small raise with pocket pairs up to 99. If they don't hit or if there are overcards on the board I generally fold to aggression...never get attached, after all e.g 6 6 is only really 50/50 against any two overcards! If I am low on chips then I may go all-in and take a gamble as long as I feel I am ahead.....although I know I am only likely to be marginally ahead.

* Patience: Never panic and play hands you normally wouldn't just because you are falling behind the chip average. Even with say 1000 chips and the average is 4000 you only have to double up twice to get back on track, you may as well wait rather than exit early.

* AK: AK is the hand I see most overplayed on internet poker. I rarely would call a raise I respect for ALL my chips with AK as it is a drawing hand, albeit a strong one....I would defintely 99% fold to a re-reraise. When I play it I like to be the raiser and dont like to flat call or call a raise with it.

* Hand attachment: Never be afraid of laying down a big hand after the flop if you feel you are beat...it is better to stay in the game with half your stack rather than lose it all just because you hand a strong hand preflop.

* Blind steals: I tend to loosen up as the blinds become more significant and attempt occasional blind steals with A high hands or weaker hands than I would have played before.

:p

The only things I currently do which are the same as the points mentioned is limp in with PP's under JJ. JJ I may make a small raise.

I'll put a few of your pointers to the test this weekend and see how I fair.

DANCOO
10-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I think this is a problem that a lot of players have. I was talking to who I regard as one of the best cash players for the levels I play at and he was telling me how badly he did at tournaments...I then watched him a few times and he was pretty bad and it really shocked me.

Perhaps if you are a good cash player you try to play tournaments in the same way. I would suggest that you view cash and tournaments as two completely separate games. When you play a tournament just forget all your cash game rules and define a new set of successful plays specifically for tournaments.

Funny you should say that.
I was watching Pokergirl1 play in a WSOP Weekly Final a few days ago. Now I generally do a search for him when I log on to Ladbrokes, and if he's playing in a cash game you can almost guarantee he will be dominating the table with at least three times what everyone else has in cash.
Anyway, I was watching him play the WSOP tourney ( $850 buy-in I think it was ), and to be fair, he was pretty awful. He chased a couple of cards and got lucky in one instance, he then went over the top of a re-raise ( I think ), with something like a pair of Aces with a 7 kicker. He got called, and beat, and went out early.
I was rather surprised at how bad he played.

PoolKing
10-03-2006, 03:01 PM
Another thing I notice is that when it gets to the money stages of tournaments I recognise around 70% of the names there and some people always seem to do well.....1 good tournament play I see I asked and he claimed to get to the FINAL table 1 in 2 tournaments!!!!

Perhaps look at a few completed tournaments a few days running on the site you play...note the names and then watch them play (you could even do this whilst you are playing another table yourself)...and see how many hands they play, their hands after showdown, etc.

PoolKing
10-03-2006, 03:16 PM
Another noticeable difference that is important in tournament play is the blind structure.

At the start of the tournament blinds are insignificant but as the time goes on they become more and more important. This means that the importance of flop play decreases and importance of preflop play does the opposite. Post-flop play is where cash players would feel comfortable so maybe this why some struggle to get to the latter stages of tournaments. As the blinds increase more and more pots are won preflop and I would say that on final tables maybe 50%, sometimes even more depending on the duration, of all pots are decided preflop. Bare this in mind as in the latter stages most of your decisions will be made for the bulk of your stack and plays such as limping in become less viable.

Funk Butter
10-03-2006, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
blimey....I'd be furious if someone called my $40 re-raise with KQ and hit two-pair.....
And that's why I laugh when I hear that Americans are too crazy. I remember when the Crypto sites opened up NL tables, I would regularly see $400 in the pot pre-flop. At the $.50/$1 tables. :eek:

Johnson
10-03-2006, 10:53 PM
I played my first Sit & Go tonight and won :lux: .

I have been playing just cash games up to then, making a slight profit most of the time. I just thought I should give these S&G's a try.

As I am on long term sick leave ( 2 and a half years :sob: ) due to being injured in a car accident, I have been playing a lot of online poker in the last 2 years or so. Had been mainly only cash tables.

Well I won the Sit & Go because of this hand mainly.

BigChris posted small blind 50
Nom8s posted big blind 100Game # 447,767,246 starting
Dealing hole cards
Chef82 called for 100
Bucks501 called for 100
BigChris called for 50
Nom8s checked
Flop 3d 5c Qd
BigChris bet for 100
Nom8s went all in for 1,770
Chef82 called for 1,770
Bucks501 folded
BigChris went all in for 1,970
Chef82 went all in for 190
Extra chips returned to BigChris 110
Turn 5d
River 7s
BigChris wins 6,090 wih a full house
Three full of five
Nom8s has left the tournament in 4th place
Chef82 has left the tournament in 3rd place

I am not sure if I played the hand correctly by the book or not ? but it worked. My hole cards were obviously 33, and I only chose to call the BB as I usually do with small pocket pairs, may have folded them in early position, then only chose minimum raise, then they both went all in :o and as they say the rest is history :) .

Just wondering whether S&G's would be the way to go or stick to cash tables or look to tournaments in the future. While I am off work am looking to continue to make a small profit as cannot afford to risk losing short term as at present only receive incapacity benefit ( which is peanuts ), Guess I have answered my own question and should just to continue what I am doing until I am back working and more financially stable.

Nice win MD on the hand earlier and goodluck in the BBS poker game tomorrow night. ;) :p

saul1664
11-03-2006, 11:52 AM
My experience of sit and go's is that it is quite random and down to luck where you will get more consistency on cash tables, you can't get a handle on playing styles, especially if you have players going all-in on hands very early. Also there is always a disparity in heads up, though I have won a heads up with $400 vs $4000, if your heads up play is bad, it is a waste of time playing them, patience is usually rewarded with a 1-2-3 finish, but unless you are winning 50-60% of the time, its not a great turnover from what you are staking, plus once you step up in stakes, you get a lot of lunatic play.

In tournaments, if you are lucky enough to hit AA, KK in the first few hands, it does pay to go all-in, you will invariably be called all-in, and it's an easy way to double your stack early and take a good position, otherwise the other advice is sound, no need to actually play any hand at all before the first hour, checking your big blinds to see if anything is on the flop, after first hour, aggressive play tends to get more rewarded as players losing their stack tend to get a bit desperate, and play particularly poor hands.

Saul

Micky Droy
11-03-2006, 12:02 PM
Hmmm... I would actually say exactly the opposite to all your points, Saul! :p

Siot'n'gos are great value if it;s a 10 player table, and over the hour's play or so you can get a measure of how people play - you're not moving tables etc.

And early on in tourneys I like to see a few flops with middling cards - if you catch one you can win big aginst higher cards, and if you don't you've not lost much.

DANCOO
11-03-2006, 03:13 PM
Out of curiousity, has anyone managed to lay down bottom, or middle trips post-flop. I see at least once a day where two people are raising and re-raising all their stack immediately after a ragged flop, only for them both to turn over trips. I find trips easily the hardest hand to read, as firstly when I am holding trips myself, it almost never crosses my mind that someone else might have trips also. Secondly, people tend to go crazy over two pair and over pairs, so I often mistake it for that.

Anyone managed to fold trips post-flop?

PoolKing
11-03-2006, 06:06 PM
Yeah I agree about trips being a hard hand to read. I remember once I lost $500 as I was 'out-tripped' twice within 20 hands!

If I fold trips post-flop it is usually fearing a straight, particularly if the board makes an obvious one. I rarely fold trips to a possible higher set being made by another player unless I fully believe they have it, for instance if it is a really tight player who only bets when they have the goods and who I really respect. Very, very, very rarely though.

DANCOO
11-03-2006, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
Yeah I agree about trips being a hard hand to read. I remember once I lost $500 as I was 'out-tripped' twice within 20 hands!

If I fold trips post-flop it is usually fearing a straight, particularly if the board makes an obvious one. I rarely fold trips to a possible higher set being made by another player unless I fully believe they have it, for instance if it is a really tight player who only bets when they have the goods and who I really respect. Very, very, very rarely though.

I was in a game the other day holding 99. Flop comes 6,T,J.
A couple of re-raises later, I fold my 99. Two players all-in, turn over TT & JJ...so pleased a 9 didn't flop.:)

While I'm writing this actually, more advice needed.

I'm in a raked hands freeroll at the momemnt, really want to do well this time around.
Blinds are 15/30, I'm in earlyish position and hit AA.
One caller in front of me, I raise to 120.
Two callers, everyone else folds.
Flop comes ( something like ), 6h,8c,Jh.
Now...the way I generally play it in this scenario is to try and win the hand there and then. So player in front checks, I bet 300, both fold.
Unless an A comes on the flop, do you tend to try and win it straight off, or give a free card maybe?

BringBackSasa
11-03-2006, 06:51 PM
I'd almost never give a free card there, and definitely not with 2 others in the pot and a heart draw on the board. You had to bet.

PoolKing
11-03-2006, 08:21 PM
I agree with BringBackSasa, you played the AA right.......you were wise to bet the flop as there was a heart draw. Maybe if the board didn't give a flush draw you could have played it slower but the roughly pot size bet is good and necessary.

Micky Droy
12-03-2006, 12:46 AM
Yes, bet the b@astard. Can't read trips, but can't live in fear of them.

If you have aces you fear the board pairing or two/three of the same suit on the flop - anything else you have to bet at.

DANCOO
12-03-2006, 08:41 AM
Well, I went out badly in the freeroll last night. Out of 1300 starters, I was lying in about 26/600 at the break.

Didn't get a look in for about 45 mins. With just under the average stack, I tried an audacious re-raise a re-raise bluff...which just got re-raised back at me, so I had to fold. I went out in about 300th.
I need to strat paying less attention to what the average/biggest stacks are, and try to play better to what the blinds are. I had about 5500 chips when I lost around 4000, the blinds were only 100/200 ( or maybe 150/300 ).

saul1664
12-03-2006, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Hmmm... I would actually say exactly the opposite to all your points, Saul! :p

Siot'n'gos are great value if it;s a 10 player table, and over the hour's play or so you can get a measure of how people play - you're not moving tables etc.

And early on in tourneys I like to see a few flops with middling cards - if you catch one you can win big aginst higher cards, and if you don't you've not lost much.

Well, you're obviously the better player, so fair enough. I only generally play 6 player sit and go's, and find the play extremely loose, and players generally hard to read, whereas in cash games, it is a bit easier.

You can limp a few hands on blinds such as 7/15, 10/20, 15/30 and possibly 25/50 but often the pot on these hands isn't worth the play most of the time, so I prefer to play tight.

Reps AJ
12-03-2006, 01:39 PM
Damn! Just gone out in 11th, I was the short stack so all-in with JJ, get two callers one has 88... Flop comes with an 8... So close to the final table!

Reps AJ
12-03-2006, 02:35 PM
Simple question...

Would you call down to the river with pockets pairs but 3 overcards on the board?

Just had someone do it to me and I was grateful to their chips off them, but I just seem to have seen this a lot recently, perhaps because I've been playing limit recently...

christopher
12-03-2006, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO

I need to start paying less attention to what the average/biggest stacks are, and try to play better to what the blinds are.

I have much the same problem.

Micky Droy
12-03-2006, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by saul1664
so fair enough. I only generally play 6 player sit and go's,

You;re right about value on those - i don;t think they;re worth it.

Micky Droy
12-03-2006, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ


Would you call down to the river with pockets pairs but 3 overcards on the board?


Never. Also, it would be extremely rare to call down to the river at all. Maybe if slow playing a monster or hoping for a cheap draw to a straight or flush. But calling on the flop and turn is rarely a winning play IMO.

DANCOO
13-03-2006, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by WorthingEagle
blimey....I'd be furious if someone called my $40 re-raise with KQ and hit two-pair.....

Surely you would be want them to call your post-flop re-raise? If you don't want to go up against a worse hand, what hand do you want to go up against?

saul1664
13-03-2006, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Simple question...

Would you call down to the river with pockets pairs but 3 overcards on the board?

Just had someone do it to me and I was grateful to their chips off them, but I just seem to have seen this a lot recently, perhaps because I've been playing limit recently...

Very cautiously, depending on the pocket pair. If you can get away with checking or for minimal amounts, it might be worth a play, I've been called by ever increasing amounts by pocket pairs, despite me having the better hand, sometimes dropping, convinced person has a better hand than me, but it's a risky strategy to take. I'd only really want to do it if I could read the other person very well.

DANCOO
15-03-2006, 02:49 PM
Arghhh, need to let off some steam.:grrr:

It just hasn't been happening at all for me the past week.

My big PP's are getting beaten by trips, my trips are getting beaten by starights, my straights are getting beaten by flushes.

Definately taking one step forward, two steps back. Everytime I manage to claw myself back from a big loss, there's an even bigger one waiting round the corner. It's utterly demoralising. I'm on the verge of moving up a level out of pure frustration, but know I just need to keep on plugging away and trying to stick to my original plan.

:veryangry :veryangry :veryangry

ahhh, that's better.

:) :angel:

WorthingEagle
15-03-2006, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Surely you would be want them to call your post-flop re-raise? If you don't want to go up against a worse hand, what hand do you want to go up against?

That may be so if I actually won 80% of hands when I'm 80% favourite, but all too often lately they'll get the miracle that they overpaid for.

:rolleyes:

Sunny Fan
16-03-2006, 01:36 AM
Played my first tourney on Laddies tonight, and won, so feeling pleased.

Ten-hand tourney, played a high risk aggressive first hand and scared others away, then was steady and quiet for about 40 minutes while people knocked each other out, always making sure I stayed pretty much at or close to chip leader, only betting when I was sure I was winning, then ramped it up again at the end, great fun.

$10 in, $50 out. Paid for my night out I'd just had

DANCOO
16-03-2006, 09:15 AM
I'm starting to get the hang of tourneys again. Played in a multi for the daily million final and won a seat tonight for the next round.

I probably play ( excluding blinds ), maybe three or four hands in the first hour, but play them very hard.
I've used this strategy on the last four or five tourneys, and every time except for once I have had more than the average stack at the first break, unfortunately this is where my game usually breaks down.
I start calling and re-raising hands, because I think the other person is trying to steal the blinds - this is what usually puts me out shortly after the re-start.

DANCOO
16-03-2006, 11:48 PM
How I wish NOT doing what I just did.:sob: :bash:

Last night I won a place in the daily final which took place today at 20:30

Top seven got a place in the $900 buy-in on Sunday, eighth got $470

Two tables left, nine players left, I'm in 8th place with around 7500 chips, ninth place has around 5000 chips ( but he's on the other table ).

Blinds are 1200/600

I'm on the button with 77, player before me raise 2200, I think f*ck it, and go all-in.

He calls with QQ :bash:

I go out in ninth.

Really should have tried to stay in to get minimum $470, but my aim was to actually get to the Sunday table, and felt I needed to get as many chips as possible.

I had played a perfect game all evening, except for that one little error of judgement. Why I re-raised with 77 I don't know - he had around 25,000 chips so it was an easy call for him, it was a semi-bluff with a backdoor that didn't come off...my first bubble:D :(

On a positive note, my tourney play seems to be on the up.:p

Gosling
16-03-2006, 11:55 PM
Blimey. I reckon I ought to give this internet poker a serious go. I've made a killing in the free games so far.

I'm new to this thread, so serious responses to this post are welcome. I can play pretty good poker - can I expect to make some money playing on Ladbrokes?

Sunny Fan
17-03-2006, 12:13 AM
Andy: I'm coming out on top so far, just about, and you're much stronger than me.

I've done odd small-stake normal games and $10 buy-in 10-person tourneys, in which I've come 1st, 2nd, 7th so far (1st, 2nd, 3rd places pay $50, $30, $20)

David Amsalem
17-03-2006, 12:15 AM
If you mean you've been playing for free against other people for free with no prize money, its a huge step up.

Sunny Fan
17-03-2006, 12:21 AM
He'll be OK.
Andy: let me know before you do, if you do; I think they might have an incentive for both of us for an introduction

Micky Droy
17-03-2006, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Gosling


I'm new to this thread, so serious responses to this post are welcome. I can play pretty good poker - can I expect to make some money playing on Ladbrokes?

Yes you can and yes you will. Just two tips:

- Don't play drunk.
- Be very careful what games you select to play in.

These pieces of advice I only intermittently follow, and thus I lose money in big crashes.

DANCOO
17-03-2006, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
Yes you can and yes you will. Just two tips:

- Don't play drunk.
- Be very careful what games you select to play in.

These pieces of advice I only intermittently follow, and thus I lose money in big crashes.

If I can add to what M_D has put, I find the biggest factor in all of the games I have lost money in, is to play tired.

So many times I enter a tourney at 21:30/22:00, and by 01:00 I'm so shagged ( literally falling asleep at the keyboard ), I just chuck all my chips in, turn of the PC and go to bed.

Sunny Fan
17-03-2006, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy

- Be very careful what games you select to play in.
What do you look for in particular?
At the moment I'm choosing whichever 5, 8 or 10-seat tournament looks like filling up next, which I suspect isn't the smartest way to pick (though it's serving me OK so far.

Oh, and can someone tell me about this ladder thinhg as well; what are they, exactly, and are they worthwhile?

DANCOO
17-03-2006, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Sunny Fan
What do you look for in particular?
At the moment I'm choosing whichever 5, 8 or 10-seat tournament looks like filling up next, which I suspect isn't the smartest way to pick (though it's serving me OK so far.

Oh, and can someone tell me about this ladder thinhg as well; what are they, exactly, and are they worthwhile?

Unless you are familiar with the players, there's not much you can do about selection when playing a 'Sit & Go' tourney.
When playing cash games, you really need to pick a table which suits your type of play, and if possible, sit to the left of loose players and to the right of tight players - in cash games it's well worth picking tables in this way. You also don't want to be dominated as soon as you sit down by someone with a big stack, so try and pick a table with similar amounts of cash on as you willl be buying in with.

The Ladders work by way of a sattelite tourney.
You can enter at the very bottom ladder level, for maybe $3, where the winner progresses to the next ladder level where the buy in would normally be maybe $15. Then the winner of that ladder level will progress to the next ladder and so fourth until the last level is reached ( whatever that may be - 4 or 7 maybe ), where the buy in would have reached maybe $100+. On the final ladder, the prize money is then split between the top two or three players.
You can enter any of these ladders at any level you wish, but obviously the higher up you enter, the more it costs.

Sunny Fan
17-03-2006, 10:31 AM
And you can only cash in your ladder chips by winning the whole ladder?
Or can you dip out and cash in, say, once you've won a couple of tables

DANCOO
17-03-2006, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Sunny Fan
And you can only cash in your ladder chips by winning the whole ladder?
Or can you dip out and cash in, say, once you've won a couple of tables

You can't cash out.

For a ten seat table usually the top three progress, for a six seat table usually the top two progress - it depends how it's set out.

On the final ladder table the top two places are paid on a six seat table, and top three on a ten seat table.

I don't really play the ladders, but I think you are automatically put into the next waiting table. If you start from the bottom, I would imagine you would need to make sure you have a fair few hours free as you may have to wait a while for each table to fill depending on how much traffic there is.

Sunny Fan
17-03-2006, 10:40 AM
OK thanks; I might stick to single tables for now

Reps AJ
17-03-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I don't really play the ladders, but I think you are automatically put into the next waiting table. If you start from the bottom, I would imagine you would need to make sure you have a fair few hours free as you may have to wait a while for each table to fill depending on how much traffic there is.

I've played a few times, made it to the top rung once...

Basically you win a token for entry to the next level which you can use at any time, so you could play the 1st round, win a place at the next level and play that the following day or whenever (although please check the rules on your specific site!)

I've only played 10 seaters but I find after the 1st level they normally give you a chance to win re-entry to the level you're at if you don't get to the next level - e.g. 1,2 & 3 get a token to the next level, 4th gets a token for the current level - but, again, if you have a look on whatever site you're playing on you should be able to get on to the higher tables and have a look at the prize\token structure for that level

DANCOO
17-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
I've played a few times, made it to the top rung once...

Basically you win a token for entry to the next level which you can use at any time, so you could play the 1st round, win a place at the next level and play that the following day or whenever (although please check the rules on your specific site!)

I've only played 10 seaters but I find after the 1st level they normally give you a chance to win re-entry to the level you're at if you don't get to the next level - e.g. 1,2 & 3 get a token to the next level, 4th gets a token for the current level - but, again, if you have a look on whatever site you're playing on you should be able to get on to the higher tables and have a look at the prize\token structure for that level

Ah ok, that makes more sense.

Reps AJ
20-03-2006, 06:46 PM
Is there anything more annoying than making the correct decision to fold and then seeing the cards make your hand? :sob:

budgie
20-03-2006, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Is there anything more annoying than making the correct decision to fold and then seeing the cards make your hand? :sob:

Yes, making the wrong decision, going all in, and losing. :sob:

Reps AJ
20-03-2006, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by budgie
Yes, making the wrong decision, going all in, and losing. :sob:

Cheers :p You've made me feel better :D

se1eagle
20-03-2006, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by budgie
Yes, making the wrong decision, going all in, and losing. :sob:

Or even making the right decision, going all in, and losing. When you go all in and lose with 4 of a kind rivered by an ace of spades to make a straight flush is pretty bad. :sob:

Reps AJ
20-03-2006, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
Or even making the right decision, going all in, and losing. When you go all in and lose with 4 of a kind rivered by an ace of spades to make a straight flush is pretty bad. :sob:

Surely only in a hollywood film :eek: :eek:

se1eagle
20-03-2006, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Surely only in a hollywood film :eek: :eek:

happened to a mate the other day... he's had some bad beats in his time and generally takes them on the chin, but he was gutted. final table as well...

Reps AJ
20-03-2006, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by se1eagle
happened to a mate the other day... he's had some bad beats in his time and generally takes them on the chin, but he was gutted. final table as well...

I think I'd just start crying!

DANCOO
20-03-2006, 07:19 PM
Even though I cannot stand the patronising old cow -

19:30 Today
BBC1
Real Story with Fiona Bruce
With an explosion in online poker and new laws making it easier to gamble, Fiona Bruce reports on the growing number of betting addicts struggling to get the help they need

Duration: 30mins

Reps AJ
20-03-2006, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Even though I cannot stand the patronising old cow -

19:30 Today
BBC1
Real Story with Fiona Bruce
With an explosion in online poker and new laws making it easier to gamble, Fiona Bruce reports on the growing number of betting addicts struggling to get the help they need

Duration: 30mins

I would watch but I'm too busy playing

DANCOO
20-03-2006, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
I would watch but I'm too busy playing

:D

DANCOO
20-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Even though I cannot stand the patronising old cow -

19:30 Today
BBC1
Real Story with Fiona Bruce
With an explosion in online poker and new laws making it easier to gamble, Fiona Bruce reports on the growing number of betting addicts struggling to get the help they need

Duration: 30mins

Actually, they've changed the listings. It's a docu. on the drug testing thing.

David Amsalem
21-03-2006, 01:58 AM
Shall we try and organise Wednesday a bit earlier? Count me in if anybody else fancies it.

Micky Droy
21-03-2006, 10:37 AM
The ladders are great value and good practice. If you qualify from one you have tokens to enter the next level at a time of your choosing (so you can do it a day, a week later eg).

The laddies ladders aren't so well structured - the opne eg. at 32Red (generally a poor site) offer better value with a top prize of $3000 rather than $500.

Still, they are good fun and feel like a real competition. And it;s nice to turn your last $5 or so into $500 if you win.

se1eagle
21-03-2006, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Micky Droy
The ladders are great value

Agree completely - especially if you're the sort of player (like me) who is likely to finish in the top 3, but less likely to finish 1st. The prize is the same *****il you get to the final table)

My tactic is to get a level 3 token and then use the credits to replay level 2 to build my tokens up before i try level 3...

SamTheOldGoat
21-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Into the sit and go tournys to be honest, 12$ six hander NL Hold 'Em and Omaha, play on PokerStars as GoatFaceSam!

DANCOO
22-03-2006, 12:16 PM
Curious about which poker sites you all play on.
I stick 100% on Labrokes at the moment, not sure how high the standard is compared to other sites though? Might be worthwhile me checking out another one.
*Note to self : Sign up for rakeback.

stevejfh
22-03-2006, 12:21 PM
My preference is for 6-pack tables on BetFred. 10% buy-ins at all levels & lucrative free-rolls for regular players. Don't like Fred's MTTs though. Nearly all add on & re-buys which I hate. If I've got the time to play a biggie, I choose one on betfair.

DANCOO
22-03-2006, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by stevejfh
My preference is for 6-pack tables on BetFred.

This is a problem for me with Ladbrokes. All of the big tourneys with lots of players are long hand tables, and I hate playing long hand - maybe it's purely down to the fact there are so many players, and playing short hand would mean changing tables fairly frequently, but I really can't stand playing long hand.

PoolKing
22-03-2006, 01:23 PM
I play solely on the Prima network. I used to play solely on bet365 but now play with NordicBet (www.nordicbet.com) as I get 50% rakeback:)

I play on 6 seat turbo tables (you only get 7 seconds to act), withdrawals are fast and in my opinion the MTTs are very good.

Sunny Fan
22-03-2006, 10:46 PM
Couple of shocking losses. Slightly down overall now after a glorious start, I'm now tightening up a bit

David Amsalem
23-03-2006, 03:12 AM
Been playing the cash tables recently. The $0.05/$0.10 tables and it really suits my style of play. I tend to start with $4/$5 and tend to finish with about $12. Not a lot, but I'm learning the game still.

What does everybody think of the cash tables?

DANCOO
23-03-2006, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Been playing the cash tables recently. The $0.05/$0.10 tables and it really suits my style of play. I tend to start with $4/$5 and tend to finish with about $12. Not a lot, but I'm learning the game still.

What does everybody think of the cash tables?

I play pretty much 98% cash tables, and only play maybe three tourneys a week max.

Not only can I play a bit looser on cash tables, but it means I can play short handed aswell.

saul1664
23-03-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Been playing the cash tables recently. The $0.05/$0.10 tables and it really suits my style of play. I tend to start with $4/$5 and tend to finish with about $12. Not a lot, but I'm learning the game still.

What does everybody think of the cash tables?

Play within your limits is the best advice. 25/50p may not sound like much but I have been put all in for amounts up to 50 on these tables, so it's how you feel comfortable, if you are doing well, step up to a more expensive table to see how it goes or you can just watch to see how others play. On a 0.15/0.25 table I got called all-in on the river with a K flush which I had to drop as couldn't risk the ace, really wondering what was in that hand now.

DANCOO
23-03-2006, 02:04 PM
:lux:

I don't usually do it beacause it usually doesn't pay off, but I did on this one hand...and for once it paid off.

I had an inside straight draw after the flop, with only me and another player in.

He bets small blind, so I call. 10 comes up giving me nut straight to the A ( rainbow board ).

I figure I can slow play it a bit now, and am safe so long as the board doesn't pair.

He bets three times the small blind, I raise the same, he calls.

A rag hits.

I'm to act first ( and I don't usually do this ), there's about $8 in the pot, so I over bet with $15, he re-raised me $35, I go all-in $50, he calls.

:lux: :lux:

Two hands later, I hit two-pair on the flop and someone tries to bluff me on the river...:lux: :lux:

$150 in around three minutes, not bad for a $0.25/$0.50 table :D

David Amsalem
23-03-2006, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
I play pretty much 98% cash tables, and only play maybe three tourneys a week max.

Not only can I play a bit looser on cash tables, but it means I can play short handed aswell.

Yep, totally agree. I like playing short handed too. I also see more flops then I do in a MTT so I enjoy it more.

Saul, to be honest, being a student, I can only really afford the $0.05/$0.10 tables. I'm happy doubling up my money at the moment, all be it, 5 or so a time.

Although to be honest, I do tend to stop playing once I've hit a certain mark. If I start with $5, I say to myself, once I hit $12 (example) I'll leave. Probably a bit unfair on the others but I couldn't care less. I'm up.

Reps AJ
23-03-2006, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by David Amsalem
Although to be honest, I do tend to stop playing once I've hit a certain mark. If I start with $5, I say to myself, once I hit $12 (example) I'll leave. Probably a bit unfair on the others but I couldn't care less. I'm up.

Thats a good point. What does everybody else do? When do you stop playing? After a certain amount of time? After you've doubled your money? Whenever you get bored?

DANCOO
23-03-2006, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
Thats a good point. What does everybody else do? When do you stop playing? After a certain amount of time? After you've doubled your money? Whenever you get bored?

I spend pretty much all my spare time playing, on average maybe 5-6 hours a day with breaks.
I'm not making huge amounts, but it's very steady.
I'm happy to make $50+ a day playing the $0.25/$0.50, which I generally do. I'm not sure if that's a good return or not for such small limits and for long playing hours, but I'm steadily getting towards my target of $2,200 before I move up a level ( I had a poor few days last week ).
I don't seem to get bored, but I do lose concentration if I'm tired and tend to switch the PC off if I lose a large amount because I'm not concentrating - like what happened last night.

PoolKing
23-03-2006, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
When do you stop playing? After a certain amount of time? After you've doubled your money? Whenever you get bored?

I usually stop when I know I am getting tired but tend to have what I call 'rolling' limits. For example if I enter a room with $100 I have an immediate target of $200. Once at $200 I would leave the room should I go below a figure such as $170, I also have a rule that I can only go below this figure for a particular hand if I am sure it is rock solid, so if I have to make a call that if I lose would knock me down to $140 I have to be sure in my head that I am pretty certain to win. If all goes well and I get to $250 I would set a lower limit of $200.....for $400 it may be $340, etc.

DANCOO
23-03-2006, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I usually stop when I know I am getting tired but tend to have what I call 'rolling' limits. For example if I enter a room with $100 I have an immediate target of $200. Once at $200 I would leave the room should I go below a figure such as $170, I also have a rule that I can only go below this figure for a particular hand if I am sure it is rock solid, so if I have to make a call that if I lose would knock me down to $140 I have to be sure in my head that I am pretty certain to win. If all goes well and I get to $250 I would set a lower limit of $200.....for $400 it may be $340, etc.

Do you generally play at $0.50/$1.00?

What profit are you generally satisifed with for a days play?

Reps AJ
23-03-2006, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by PoolKing
I usually stop when I know I am getting tired but tend to have what I call 'rolling' limits.

Good idea. Sometimes I find myself playing for ages when I would have been better off only playing for half an hour and quitting while I was doing well

PoolKing
23-03-2006, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Do you generally play at $0.50/$1.00?

What profit are you generally satisifed with for a days play?

Yes, I stated in a post a while back that I lost my $2000 bankroll and it forced me to reassess things a bit and I realised that my money management was poor and that I had no proper set of rules, I was playing $200 and $400 which is ok when you are winning but when you are lose 2 or 3 sessions in a row when you do not have a proper bankroll (20+ times the buy-in) they hit harder.

So now yes I am playing $100 rooms only now, starting at this level again until I have the bankroll to move up!

I don't have a daily profit target but I for a week I aim for 600-700, anything more is a bonus.

David Amsalem
24-03-2006, 01:16 AM
I just had a great game. Won $17.50 in a five seater.

First guy went all in first hand after a few raises holding KK. Was called by somebody else holding JJ who hit three of a king Jacks.

Anyway, that made him chip leader. A bit later he put somebody else out and he was well ahead.

I'm sitting there in second holding just over 2,000, chip leader has, er... at least 6,000 and this other guy has 200 and is about to go out in two rounds time when the blinds hit him.

I'm holding pocket 4s, and its only 100 to play so I think its worth seeing the flop. Flop is J 2 4. The chip leader then raises 2,000 (me all in)

Anyway, I'm guaranteed second which I'll be chuffed with but just before the timer runs out, I decide to call it and all he has is J ? so he hits high pair. I win and become chip leader, just.

Next hand, he calls all-in on the flop and I've hit two pair. I call it and he is gone. Wasn't even a risky two pair. The other guy who was in third can't believe his luck.

Then I just had to ensure that I didn't mess up real bad.

A real satisfying win.

oz_da II
24-03-2006, 02:31 AM
You were going to throw out trip 4's? :o

You could only be bettered by one hand - JJ.
Not likely.
If he did have trip J's I'm sure he would have slow played it.
An all in bet stinks of a bluff or medium strength hand.


I got a nasty one in my weekly poker night last night.
Short stacked small blind, about 7BB's, holding Kh 10h, five callers.

Kd 10c 6h

Two pair. Take it now I figure, possible straight draws out there, quite sure no one had trip K or 10 as it would have been raised pre-flop. Only 66 worried me slightly.

All in. BB goes all in. Interesting, he's a rubbish player so I'm thinking he might have a pair of K's. Everyone else folds.

Flip them over and he's got pocket 10's. Oh dear. No K on the turn or river. See ya later.

Strathclyde Eagle
24-03-2006, 10:54 AM
Saw two pretty interesting hands on the World Series of Poker show on Player last night.

On the first hand one short stack went all-in with a pair of 9s. He was called but a guy with J-10 suited. Flop comes A-Q-K. Ouch.

Until that is the turn produced a 9, followed by a second Q on the river.

Now the guy who lost the hand (naturally pretty disappointed) got into a big discussion with Phil Hellmuth (to his left) about whether it was a bad beat or not. Hellmuth thought it wasn't as he wasn't favourite pre-flop, but did acknowledge it was a pretty horrible way to lose a hand.

Shortly afterwards the same guy who lost that hand went raised with K-J suited. Hellmuth behind him had A-K, so re-raised him. Cue K-J going all-in (blinds still relatively low at that stage). Hellmuth, sensing a weak hand called instantly (I know not everyone likes him, but his ability to read hands seems pretty startling).

Rags on the flop, rag on the turn. Hellmuth a 93% favourite heading to the river, which was naturally a J. Cue tantrum. :D

DANCOO
24-03-2006, 10:57 AM
W*nker:veryangry

Some bloke going all crazy on a table and tilting big time. Huge raises/all-ins every hand.

$0.25/$0.50 table.

Raises $12, so I go $50 all-in with AK suited - he calls with 69 suited.

An A on the flop was of little consolation considering he hit a flush on the river...W*nker :veryangry

I should really have stayed on the table and played mega-tight and trap him, but I thought I had him the first time and he sucked out, not going to let him do that again.









W*anker :veryangry

PoolKing
24-03-2006, 11:14 AM
I just lost 2 pots in a row to muppets:veryangry

First hand I have 88, flop is A 5 8...... opponent has 6 9, calls an all-in and rivers a straight.

Secondly, I hold KK, call a preflop raise to see a flop of 8 6 2....opponent bets and I raise all-in....he calls with 8 5:eek: and as you can guess rivers an 8.

At the moment annoyed

:grrr:

But in time I guess I will laugh:D

stevejfh
24-03-2006, 11:25 AM
Just seen an amazing hand. 1st hand of a 6 runner tournie & under the gun I'm dealt Ah Qs. I'd usually raise with this hand, but with the blinds at 5/10, I choose to just call. None of the other players raise & 5 of us see a flop. Ac Kc 3c. No bets from the blinds, so I bet the pot, 50. 1st player calls, next goes all-in for 990, next calls, next calls. After about a millionth of a second consideration, I decided my Aces are probably behind & fold. The player who called 50 folds too. Cards get turned over & all 3 players have hit a flush on the flop! None of them had the Queen, so none could be sure of being in front but a man with a Jack had over half the chips at the table after the 1st hand!

Reps AJ
24-03-2006, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by PoolKing
At the moment annoyed

:grrr:

But in time I guess I will laugh:D

Just think long term, just think long term, just think long term....

Reps AJ
24-03-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by stevejfh
Cards get turned over & all 3 players have hit a flush on the flop!

You confused me with the straight and thought you must have meant flush!

DANCOO
24-03-2006, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by stevejfh
Just seen an amazing hand. 1st hand of a 6 runner tournie & under the gun I'm dealt Ah Qs. I'd usually raise with this hand, but with the blinds at 5/10, I choose to just call. None of the other players raise & 5 of us see a flop. Ac Kc 3c. No bets from the blinds, so I bet the pot, 50. 1st player calls, next goes all-in for 980, next calls, next calls. After about a millionth of a second consideration, I decided my Aces are probably behind & fold. The player who called 50 folds too. Cards get turned over & all 3 players have hit a flush on the flop! None of them had the Queen, so none could be sure of being in front but a man with a Jack had over half the chips at the table after the 1st hand!

Edit, been changed.

Reps AJ
24-03-2006, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by DANCOO
Edit, been changed.

Same as me, see above :p

stevejfh
24-03-2006, 11:36 AM
Sorry chaps! Amazing hand though, eh?

Strathclyde Eagle
24-03-2006, 11:50 AM
The two other players who had flushes, what were their high cards? Surely they must have figured out they were behind if they held something like a 7c or 6c?

stevejfh
24-03-2006, 12:05 PM
One had 10 high, one 9 high. Didn't get a chance to take a good look at who's chips went in when. Would've took a very disciplined player to fold any of the 3 hands, in my opinion. I reckon I'd have called the 1st all in with any of the 3 hands, but if 2 people have gone all in before me I want to KNOW I'm in front before calling.

Just think, if I've I'd put in a decent sized raise with my AQ, there's every chance all 3 of them would've folded & I'd have won the pot!

DANCOO
24-03-2006, 01:09 PM
Just got very lucky, but it makes up for my all-in bad beat from earlier on.
I'm holding KK. UTG bets $3. I raise to $5.50, he re-raises $15 ( at this point I have a suspicion he has AA, but go all-in anyway ). He calls and flips over AA.
It was terrible play by me as I almost knew he had AA. Anyway a K hits on the flop and I clean up. At worse I would have called his re-raise and would have hit my trips anyway, but still...a bit naughty.:o

David Amsalem
24-03-2006, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
You were going to throw out trip 4's? :o

You could only be bettered by one hand - JJ.
Not likely.
If he did have trip J's I'm sure he would have slow played it.
An all in bet stinks of a bluff or medium strength hand.

Was tempted to throw it because I would have been well happy with second place and I was guaranteed that.

Those were exactly my thoughts.

Reps AJ
24-03-2006, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by DANCOO
It was terrible play by me as I almost knew he had AA. Anyway a K hits on the flop and I clean up. At worse I would have called his re-raise and would have hit my trips anyway, but still...a bit naughty.:o

Like you say, you'd have had all you money in the pot with a K on the flop anyway, but I've seen people re-re-raise before the flop with AK, QQ etc so there was a chance it wasn't AA... Sometimes you have to enjoy your luck!

DANCOO
24-03-2006, 04:36 PM
Can't buy a f*cking hand, and had AA cracked. Down $200 today. :(

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:02 AM
Apparently I've just signed up to a $3 buy-in multi-table, tourney thing, should be fun, though I'm not sure how it works. We can re-buy, apparently. 205 players, I'll let you know where I end up...

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:03 AM
How do these things work then? Anyone?

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:05 AM
Update - so far I've done:

Fold
Fold
Fold

I think I'm holding my own

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 01:06 AM
Play it as normal!

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:08 AM
OK:)

Update no.2:
Fold
Fold
Fold
Fold

Still on 1500

Riveting stuff, eh?

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 01:10 AM
Rebuy means you can rebuy your original number of chips for a set amount, ie another 1500 chips for $3. Add-on means you get a one off chance to buy more chips at the first break

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:12 AM
Is this a tourney to be quite aggressive or patient as a rule?
To be honest I've had nothing so far so am folding

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 01:15 AM
If its a rebuy I've found people a little more willing to stick all their chips in as if you bust out you can simply rebuy more chips...

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:17 AM
Crazy betting people; are there tourneys without the rebuy option? That would seem better looking at some of the stuff that's going on. Seems far too loose

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 01:19 AM
Yes either freezeout tournaments or just ones that don't say rebuy!

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:22 AM
well, I'm in it now, watching people go all in, and getting put off.
Position: 141 of 170 (of an original 205).

might go for something soon, but only when I have a hand

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:27 AM
Silly all-in (on a pair, went for it). Have now rebought in for $3. In 122 of 164 now.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:48 AM
This is fun now.
42 of 132 at mo.
Av stack 4488
my stack 5150

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 01:50 AM
What table Sunny? I'll take a peek. btw - In those sorts of tournies I find it's generally best to play very tight pre-flop and be aggressive once in a pot.

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 01:52 AM
No need, you're necro007, aren't you?

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:55 AM
Nope.
now 47 of 117.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 01:56 AM
Trouble with these tables, they're all, always long-handed. You've got to be so sure of a hand, but still there's loads that always call.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:02 AM
In a break now, 37 of 104 players, I'm starting to get the hang of this.
Won't win anything, but it's OK.
Not sure I like constant 10-handed tables though, everyone's too reckless

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by Sunny Fan
Not sure I like constant 10-handed tables though, everyone's too reckless

Thats just $3 rebuy tournaments!

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:08 AM
What table no.? Don't you like being watched, huh? I'd imagined you to be more kinky. It's not the fact it's 10-handed that makes it reckless, it's the low entry fee and re-buy factor. It's a lottery, but can be good fun.

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:10 AM
10-handed tables are generally tighter by nature, Sunny.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:10 AM
No 21.
MoaiChaser

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:12 AM
I can see why you didn't want to reveal your alias now.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:15 AM
:)
both are aliases though; I see you are yet to reveal yours?
Though I think you a funny guy

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:18 AM
I'm SasaDuzVegas on Laddies. And yes, I wish I hadn't taken the piss outta your alias now. My excuse is that I was inspired by the porno I was watching at the time.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:19 AM
:)
Just wish me luck, I need it.
32 out of 89 now...

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:21 AM
Very nice!

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:22 AM
Score!
999, cleaning up on that one
(5th of 86 now)

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:23 AM
How did he call originally with 66? Then have the cheek to bitch afterwards? Idiot.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:26 AM
He bitched big time as well.

Hope you're gonna stick around, nice to have a supporter:)

though i warn you; I'm not really any good

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:27 AM
Had to call:(
Or should I sit tight and get a place?

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 02:28 AM
nice bluff ;)

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:29 AM
Had KK; what do you mean?

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:29 AM
this is fun

Reps AJ
25-03-2006, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Sunny Fan
Had KK; what do you mean?

lol I can't see your cards!

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:29 AM
I would be more vocal, but tables often try to bully players with supporters. Well, I do, anyway. Maybe I'm just a .

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by Sunny Fan
Had to call:(
Or should I sit tight and get a place?

You don't want to call all-ins with AJ unless they're short-stacked. Your raise wasn't a bad play though. Back up to 14K, cool.

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Reps AJ
lol I can't see your cards! I know; should have played that more canny, but I felt had to raise, and then scared people out.

I really don't know what to make of this kinid of game...

Oh, here we go........

BringBackSasa
25-03-2006, 02:35 AM
And you definitely don't want to re-raise an all-in with A10!

Sunny Fan
25-03-2006, 02:36 AM
I know:(

But I'm loving the support - hey, I'm new to all this and think I'm doing OK:)