Horse & Greyhound Betting tips [Archive] - Page 60

JamTheEagle

15-04-2012, 07:21 PM

in any race or just the national?

I think it might just be the national but not sure.

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LLCOOLSTEVE

15-04-2012, 07:21 PM

Oh ive got a £20 free bet

JamTheEagle

15-04-2012, 07:22 PM

Oh ive got a £20 free bet

:eek:

Gooders

15-04-2012, 08:20 PM

I've got nearly 1500 euros to pick up. Will be collecting in Dublin on Tuesday. :)

JamTheEagle

15-04-2012, 08:34 PM

I've got nearly 1500 euros to pick up. Will be collecting in Dublin on Tuesday. :)

Lend me a tenner please buddy :lux:

Gooders

15-04-2012, 08:35 PM

I very much doubt that you need a tenner Mr Jam - you do ok from what I can see. :p

Gooders

15-04-2012, 08:35 PM

Or did you get robbed in Wales? :)

JamTheEagle

15-04-2012, 09:32 PM

I very much doubt that you need a tenner Mr Jam - you do ok from what I can see. :p

You must have missed most of my recent gambles! And if a gf counts as robbing, then yes :sob:

Gooders

16-04-2012, 07:29 AM

Oh that counts, trust me that counts bad.

Rubbish racing today!

saul1664

16-04-2012, 08:19 AM

Last race favourtie at Windsor lol

saul1664

16-04-2012, 08:40 AM

3.45 Woverhampton Beau Duke (lay) @ 2.64

Gooders

16-04-2012, 09:12 AM

Last race favourtie at Windsor lol

Que?

Gooders

16-04-2012, 09:56 AM

A minor interest only today, in these:

Windsor:

2.30 Pettochside
4.30 Starwatch
5.00 Six Wives
5.30 Beat Route

Wolverhampton:

3.15 Covert Decree

saul1664

16-04-2012, 10:04 AM

Que?

Used to work in a credit bookies head office, and one of the blokes there would categorically state that backing the last race favourite at Windsor (though it had to be a night meeting) was profitable and could never be swayed from that opinion. Said it was a well known fact lol

Gooders

16-04-2012, 10:32 AM

OIC.

He'd be on a sticky wicket today, I reckon.

saul1664

16-04-2012, 11:10 AM

Yeah, think the last race traditionally used to be a maiden, which tended to get a lot of decent horses by cecil, stoute etc. Now they just seem to be dodgy handicaps.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 12:58 PM

I think the last 3 races there today will all be won by outsiders.

I've had a small interest in Solemn in the 5.00 and Nichloas Pocock in the 5.15 at Wolverhampton, in addtion to those named above.

The flat season has started has it? The only flat meeting tomorrow is an appalling card at Southwell. :rolleyes:

At least there are some decent races at Newmarket later in the week, although finding winners there is always hard for me.

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 01:31 PM

Moones my name, sugarbeet and Timocracy in the last 3 @ Windsor for me

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 01:46 PM

Moones my name, sugarbeet and Timocracy in the last 3 @ Windsor for me
Following you on all three with small ew :p

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 01:51 PM

Masters Club in the next @ Windsor

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 02:04 PM

Masters Club in the next @ Windsor
3rd, led from the go and had every chance. :(

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 02:12 PM

Used to work in a credit bookies head office, and one of the blokes there would categorically state that backing the last race favourite at Windsor (though it had to be a night meeting) was profitable and could never be swayed from that opinion. Said it was a well known fact lol

It still is the way to go

When a maiden

and when Hannon has the fav

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 02:13 PM

Moones my name, sugarbeet and Timocracy in the last 3 @ Windsor for me

so you have forgiven Leonna?! :love:

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 02:21 PM

hard not to lol

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 02:26 PM

:)

Be interesting to see how Aegaeus runs in the next

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 02:28 PM

Giving Doyle another chance. Rosslyn Castle

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 02:34 PM

Get in. Money back :)

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 02:39 PM

think handy Chat is a nice big ew price in the next, but like Sareeah to win it

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 02:41 PM

Gone with Tantamount EW in the next

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 02:48 PM

FFS 4th and just missed the place.

Nice run by Handy Chat at big odds, finished 6th I think

saul1664

16-04-2012, 02:50 PM

Lay bet in. Visor didn't help then.

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 02:53 PM

Interlocking

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 02:58 PM

Ok, interlocking it is. :)

saul1664

16-04-2012, 02:59 PM

What's this thing going off 4/6?

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:03 PM

Wolverhampton:

3.15 Covert Decree

2/1 fav and finishes stone last - lol.

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:05 PM

What's this thing going off 4/6?
Should have laid it to the hilt ;)

Disappointing by Interlocking. :(

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 03:07 PM

Frosty fridayyyyyyyyyyyyy

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:09 PM

Couldn't see beyond Love Your Looks in this but I haven't had a bet.

saul1664

16-04-2012, 03:10 PM

Should have laid it to the hilt ;)

Disappointing by Interlocking. :(

Generally start looking by looking at odds on shots, but he was 2/1 tissue, maidens so dodgy at this time of year.

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:13 PM

Couldn't see beyond Love Your Looks in this but I haven't had a bet.
LYL it is :p

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 03:15 PM

Moynahan as big as 18/1 in next at windsor is a big ew price

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:18 PM

Couldn't see beyond Love Your Looks in this but I haven't had a bet.
Thank you Gooders :lux: :love:

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:19 PM

Thank you Gooders :lux: :love:

:p

Only ever worth backing my picks when I don't. ;)

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:21 PM

Moones my name, sugarbeet and Timocracy in the last 3 @ Windsor for me
Losses recovered.

Already placed the 3 EW bets in the last three @ Windsor on NO1FAN's tips.

Good luck :p

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:25 PM

I have Starwatch in the next but can't really fancy it. Also thought Ezdeyad might go well at a huge price, but didn't back it.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:26 PM

As could Benandonner and Alhaban.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:28 PM

Duster is the one for money.

cantspell

16-04-2012, 03:29 PM

I backed Duster for the betting comp worried about fitness like the fact Ryan Moore is on it

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:30 PM

Hmmm, Benandonner coming in for each-way money by the look of it.

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 03:34 PM

Moynahan as big as 18/1 in next at windsor is a big ew price

4th :rolleyes: at 20/1

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:34 PM

I'm over the Moone :lux:

Thanks NO1FAN :lux: :love:

Gooders

16-04-2012, 03:36 PM

Well done NO1. :p

cantspell

16-04-2012, 03:37 PM

well done no 1 - won easily

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 03:39 PM

Bursting bubbles

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:43 PM

Bursting bubbles
Giving Steve one last chance tonight. Let's go Bubbles!!!

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 03:49 PM

Second last... :rolleyes:

saul1664

16-04-2012, 03:56 PM

Duster was well beaten.

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 03:56 PM

Pearl Blue at windsor

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:03 PM

lol i could never have fancied that

well done no1

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:07 PM

Bugger, Solemn only 3rd.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:08 PM

Moones my name, sugarbeet and Timocracy in the last 3 @ Windsor for me

Outstanding work so far - good luck with the last one!

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 04:10 PM

Cheers got Roman Flame in the last @ wolves as well

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:11 PM

Think Nicholas Pocock could run into a place in the last at Wolverhampton at a big price.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:11 PM

1fea

Cheers got Roman Flame in the last @ wolves as well

One more for some decent money?

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:13 PM

By Implication

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 04:14 PM

One more for some decent money?

Yep :)

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:16 PM

Yep :)

Got everything crossed fella.

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:19 PM

Oh I hope Leonna doesnt let you down again then! Cant see it myself but good luck

like the unexposed Broughton sands at 14/1

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:19 PM

The money was right for once. :(

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:26 PM

Beat route could run well at a nice price too

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:33 PM

oooooooooooooooooh

saul1664

16-04-2012, 04:33 PM

got there i think

saul1664

16-04-2012, 04:34 PM

wins

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:35 PM

:lux:

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 04:35 PM

Wooohooooo

saul1664

16-04-2012, 04:36 PM

14, 11 and 9/2, what did you have on that?

Shamone

16-04-2012, 04:37 PM

Please say it was a £100 treble!

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:37 PM

Get in No1! Well done.

Flat Noodle owes you a few beers fella! :lux:

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 04:38 PM

L15

paid £1154.96 :)

and yeah Noodle owes me beers :lux:

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:38 PM

L15 i presume with roman whatsit

I need some no1 luck

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:38 PM

Please say it was a £100 treble!

A Lucky15 is my guess - will be a nice return, even for £1.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 04:39 PM

L15

paid £1154.96 :)

and yeah Noodle owes me beers :lux:

Brilliant - love it when someone scoops a decent win.

Your turn next Steve but you'll have to do them in advance matey. :p

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:40 PM

Bloody Prohibition just cost me a fortune :grrr:

swings and roundabouts :moo:

saul1664

16-04-2012, 04:41 PM

Jockey won you that one, reckon you should err give her something...

http://twtrland.com/profile/LeonnaMayor

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:41 PM

Brilliant - love it when someone scoops a decent win.

Your turn next Steve but you'll have to do them in advance matey. :p

lol i got mine at Cheltenham first day

got unlucky at weekend with cappa bleu

I think we should buy a BBS horse one day :)

saul1664

16-04-2012, 04:43 PM

Her sister's not bad either ...

https://twitter.com/#!/LeonnaMayor/status/130371501881950208/photo/1

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 04:43 PM

Jockey won you that one, reckon you should err give her something...

http://twtrland.com/profile/LeonnaMayor

Back off!!!!! ive already laid claims to her earlier in the thread!!

saul1664

16-04-2012, 04:47 PM

Just think at this stage she needs a more experienced stayer.

saul1664

16-04-2012, 05:02 PM

Twtrland seems to be a nice stalking app.

JamTheEagle

16-04-2012, 05:39 PM

lol i got mine at Cheltenham first day

got unlucky at weekend with cappa bleu

I think we should buy a BBS horse one day :)

That would be awesome! Which trainer would we all want?

Gosden, Fahey, Quinn would be my three.

Well done NO1!

NO1FAN

16-04-2012, 05:43 PM

lol i got mine at Cheltenham first day

got unlucky at weekend with cappa bleu

I think we should buy a BBS horse one day :)

Would definitely be up for that

saul1664

16-04-2012, 05:50 PM

Me too. Or get a really shit one and keep laying it on BF.

cantspell

16-04-2012, 05:51 PM

Well done number 1 backed the last two singles unfortunately, I had already backed Escape to Glory in the 430pm and inside the final half furlong they were 1st and 2nd - glad yours won for you.

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 06:01 PM

That would be awesome! Which trainer would we all want?

Gosden, Fahey, Quinn would be my three.

Well done NO1!

You only want the cheap trainers then!!!! :D

JamTheEagle

16-04-2012, 06:02 PM

Me too. Or get a really shit one and keep laying it on BF.

Brian Ellison has all of them I think :hmph:

JamTheEagle

16-04-2012, 06:02 PM

You only want the cheap trainers then!!!! :D

:D

LLCOOLSTEVE

16-04-2012, 06:13 PM

obv we go with Mr Lidderdale so Leonna gets to have a ride :)

saul1664

16-04-2012, 06:27 PM

Brian Ellison has all of them I think :hmph:

We could get Derivatives.

JamTheEagle

16-04-2012, 08:42 PM

Haha.

Adding Charlie Hills to my list as he is a nice guy.

Gooders

16-04-2012, 08:58 PM

Don't care about the trainer, but Hayley rides. ;)

Gooders

16-04-2012, 09:05 PM

Rare day off for me tomorrow - that Southwell card is crap.

JamTheEagle

16-04-2012, 09:07 PM

Rare day off for me tomorrow - that Southwell card is crap.

Sound Amigo and Whats The Point ;)

Gooders

16-04-2012, 09:16 PM

Good luck with them Jam - too short for me. :p

Flat Noodle

16-04-2012, 10:06 PM

L15

paid £1154.96 :)

and yeah Noodle owes me beers :lux:
$100 jumps in this morning :lux:

Thanks mate!!! Your beers shall be awaiting here in Sydney when u come down :p

Gooders

17-04-2012, 08:41 AM

Sound Amigo and Whats The Point ;)

Actually the prices aren't horrible. Might try to find two others to stick in a Lucky15 with them. :p

saul1664

17-04-2012, 09:28 AM

3.00 Exeter Imperial Circus (2pts win) @ 3
4.00 Exeter Easter Metero (2pts win) @ 2.18
4.50 Kempton Magic Prospect (ew) @ 23

4.30 Exeter Rumbury Grey @ 1.75 (if drifts out to Evens or better)
3.20 Kempton Top Of The Range (lay) @ 2.96 (if coming in to 2.33 or less)

Gooders

17-04-2012, 11:01 AM

Been to see Mr Power now so I have a big :D on my face and I've done Jam's two selections along with Imaginary Diva and Ace Of Spies.

Feel bad going against Punching but the odds were too skinny.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:00 PM

Got 2/1 this 5/4 shot, will end up 7/4 after 5% deductions. Lets see.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:06 PM

That was hard work, but winner.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:07 PM

Trans Sonic always seems to win when dropped to class 6, and goes off 2/1 here?

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:16 PM

Beaten about 10 lengths into second.

Flat Noodle

17-04-2012, 02:35 PM

Where are my best mates NO1 and Stevo tonight? :(

Gooders

17-04-2012, 02:41 PM

NO1 is making a tent out of ten pound notes and Steve is licking his wounds.

Ace Of Spies being hammered in the next - I took 5/1 earlier - now 5/2.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:42 PM

Been to see Mr Power now so I have a big :D on my face and I've done Jam's two selections along with Imaginary Diva and Ace Of Spies.

Feel bad going against Punching but the odds were too skinny.

Punching makes all. Only half a point between them (odds)

NO1FAN

17-04-2012, 02:44 PM

Where are my best mates NO1 and Stevo tonight? :(

Crap crap racing today :(

Gooders

17-04-2012, 02:44 PM

But Punching wins yet again at Southwell - good old Hayley.

Gooders

17-04-2012, 02:45 PM

Crap crap racing today :(

Better tomorrow though. :p

Gooders

17-04-2012, 02:46 PM

Punching makes all. Only half a point between them (odds)

Yep - 6/4 and 5/1 when I looked this morning. :(

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:48 PM

On the off I meant. Had to attend emergency meeting at work so didn't really take notice of the tissue prices this morning. Looked like it would be swallowed up a furlong out to be fair, but just kept up the gallop.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:48 PM

Racing is never bad when you back winners.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:53 PM

Ground at Exeter is supposed to be good, good to firm, but horses are struggling through it.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:59 PM

Something in from 66s to 20s with jockey change at Exeter. No real from outside the front two.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 02:59 PM

Form figures FUFP

saul1664

17-04-2012, 03:05 PM

1fc2

Beaten one length into 3rd.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 03:06 PM

Mine won though. :p

saul1664

17-04-2012, 03:09 PM

Freerolling my e/w bet, not confident though.

Flat Noodle

17-04-2012, 03:30 PM

Crap crap racing today :(
Taking note of this and steering clear on UK racing tonight.

Top advice as usual. :p

saul1664

17-04-2012, 03:40 PM

Coming in for my e/w now, into 18.5.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 03:59 PM

Trans Sonic always seems to win when dropped to class 6, and goes off 2/1 here?

Really no point in looking at the 'class' of the race dude

saul1664

17-04-2012, 03:59 PM

Erm why?

Gooders

17-04-2012, 04:02 PM

My initial thought to leave it alone today would have been the correct decision, in hindsight.

Hoping for better tomorrow.

Gooders

17-04-2012, 04:02 PM

Better class races, you see. ;)

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 04:03 PM

cause there isnt

its all about the horses rating

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 04:04 PM

Better class races, you see. ;)

you mean better rated horses

Gooders

17-04-2012, 04:04 PM

cause there isnt

its all about the horses rating

Back winners every race do you Steve?

Gooders

17-04-2012, 04:04 PM

Or once in a blue moon like the rest of us? :)

saul1664

17-04-2012, 04:08 PM

saul1664

17-04-2012, 04:08 PM

Anyway 2 out of 3, and 4 out of 5 from what I put up earlier, okay day for me, onwards to the footie.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 04:18 PM

Back winners every race do you Steve?

no, but listen to any radio/tv racing show and none of them talk about the class of race, but will talk about the ratings of the horses now and in the past

i just wrote out a very long post about that race transonic was in today and the fact it was a claimer and you need to look at the weights the horses are running off rather than the class of race but deleted it

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 04:22 PM

But a horse often gets a better rating (be in speed, whatever) when dropped into a lower grade, for many reasons, such as not being put under pressure that early, or able to dictate the pace of the race. Has got to have a significant impact.

so what if a horse is dropped into a claimer but is actually up against horses rated higher than it has been racing against as the other horses have been 'dropped' into it too....?!

saul1664

17-04-2012, 04:29 PM

so what if a horse is dropped into a claimer but is actually up against horses rated higher than it has been racing against as the other horses have been 'dropped' into it too....?!

All factors to consider I guess. Wouldn't mind seeing the post you deleted.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 04:52 PM

Too long to write out again but essentially it was about the weights they running off in the race compared to their actual 'rating'

ie tronsonic rated 79 running off 9 stone 1, Doctor Zhivago rated 73 running off 9 stone 3 today etc, plus looking back at their recent ratings, The race winner jack dawkins rated 90 a year ago etc

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 04:53 PM

I guess we all have our own ways of studying the form but the class of the race is something i never look at personally.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 05:05 PM

So you don't think that a slow time in a Group 1 is better than a faster time in a weak handicap for instance. This isn't a criticism, just interested.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 05:12 PM

No I dont look at times either, i find that pointless too.

A 60 rated horse can run a race 1 second slower say over 6 furlongs than a 90 rated horse one race to the next but put them in the same race and it will be different, cause of the rating.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 05:13 PM

Also without them racing against each other you dont know if the 90 rated horse would be on the bridle, the 60 rated horse shoved along from the outset etc.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 05:14 PM

There are timings i do take notice of, for example track records or sectionals.

NO1FAN

17-04-2012, 06:10 PM

Leonna tweeted me ;) :lux:

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 06:53 PM

**** you

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 06:57 PM

she also got a 7 day ban i think for use of the whip :rolleyes: disgusting decision

Oh well, more time for her to spend with me

NO1FAN

17-04-2012, 07:00 PM

You wouldnt ban her from using the whip would you Steve ;)

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:01 PM

Now, now boys, play nicely.

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:01 PM

I'll send her around when I've finished with her. :)

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:06 PM

Seriously though - you can't really ignore any factor is trying to find winners can you? You ignore times and class of race Steve but do you find any more winners than the rest of us?

No, you don't.

We all make our educated guesses and sometimes we're right but more often we're wrong - if we weren't we would be relaxing on a yacht somewhere instead of posting on here.

My biggest failng is my incessant search for value - if I ignored the forecast SP's when making my selections I'd pick a few more winners but I just love a good price. :)

Tomorrow at Newmarket is a case in point. Some cracking races but way too many factors to consider, not the least of which is which horses are going to improve substantially from 2 to 3 and which ones have trained on?

None of us has a scooby, let's face it. Won't stop me trying though! :D
.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 07:07 PM

I'll send her around when I've finished with her. :)

you're old enough to be her grandad :o

NO1FAN

17-04-2012, 07:09 PM

L15 for tomorrow

Doc Hay 15.20 Bev 6/1
Samitar 15.00 New 11/4
Ballesteros 17.55 New 8/1
Pimpernel 16.10 New 9/2

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:09 PM

;)

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:10 PM

L15 for tomorrow

Doc Hay 15.20 Bev 6/1
Samitar 15.00 New 11/4
Ballesteros 17.55 New 8/1
Pimpernel 16.10 New 9/2

I've got two of those on my (long) list.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 07:12 PM

Seriously though - you can't really ignore any factor is trying to find winners can you?
.

Maybe not but id say you should choose the rating of horses to look at far more than the class of the race.

Would you pick a horse that has been tailed off beaten 30 lengths its last 3 outings just cause it is dropped from a class 5 to a class 6, even though its rating isnt changed?!

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:14 PM

Got to whittle these down to 12, so that I only have to do 3 Lucky15's :D :

Newmarket:

3.00 Samitar
3.35 Redact
4.10 Regal Realm
4.45 Producer
5.55 Heyward Girl

Beverley:

2.10 Marvo
3.20 Doc Hay
3.55 Cabal
4.30 Wolf Spirit
5.05 Blue Shoes

Cheltenham:

5.30 Katchmore

Kempton:

6.35 Arabian Flight
7.35 Queen Of Denmark
8.05 Russian Storm

Gooders

17-04-2012, 07:15 PM

Maybe not but id say you should choose the rating of horses to look at far more than the class of the race.

Would you pick a horse that has been tailed off beaten 30 lengths its last 3 outings just cause it is dropped from a class 5 to a class 6, even though its rating isnt changed?!

Of course not.

But I wouldn't pick the highest rated horse each time either, unless I fancied a few years in the poor house. :p

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 07:30 PM

Nemarkets 3pm ... think Valbcheck will win well

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 07:37 PM

Perrinal looks good in the 4.45, easily the best form, depends how others have done over winter

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 07:45 PM

4.30 Beverley think its quite noticable that Godolphin send a horse up there to run when Newmarket is on tomorrow, so would expect Mizbah to run well

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 07:47 PM

some cracking racing tomorrow, even at Cheltenham over the jumps

Gooders

17-04-2012, 08:13 PM

Got them down to 9 now. Hopefully there'll be a non-runner amongst this lot, to save me having to make the decision:

Newmarket:

3.00 Samitar
3.35 Redact
4.10 Regal Realm
5.55 Heyward Girl

Beverley:

3.20 Doc Hay
3.55 Cabal
5.05 Blue Shoes

Cheltenham:

5.30 Katchmore

Kempton:

8.05 Russian Storm

Valbcheck could be anything Steve but this is a huge leap in class (:) ) - couldn't think of backing him until we see how he runs against these vastly more experienced horses.

JamTheEagle

17-04-2012, 08:19 PM

Perrinal looks good in the 4.45, easily the best form, depends how others have done over winter

Not much of a betting medium but Jungle Beat will only get better as a 3 yo I think.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 08:34 PM

Valbcheck could be anything Steve but this is a huge leap in class (:) ) -

exactly why you cant take notice of it :)

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 08:34 PM

and heyward Girl just cant have Gooders, get rid of that one

Gooders

17-04-2012, 08:45 PM

and heyward Girl just cant have Gooders, get rid of that one

Pipped by Best Terms first time out as a youngster. Heavily eased when winning its Maiden. Absolutely no disgrace in being beaten a few lengths by Gusto. Beat a good yardstick in Billrayvalentine last time out.

I'll stick with it, I think. :p

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:00 PM

If I drop one it will probably be Blue Shoes - flying a kite with that one, especially as it looks to be Easterby's second-string.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:00 PM

Backed it when it won itsmaiden easily but cant have it tomorrow, far too many good horses up against it...... good luck though 16/1 on early show

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:02 PM

Yep - wide-open race but you know me - there's always a likely long-shot or two in there. :)

saul1664

17-04-2012, 09:03 PM

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:04 PM

Quite like Responsive it that race, 10/1 ish..... dropped 4lbs since last run, ran well at 2 at that sort of weight last year and now a years older and stronger.

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:07 PM

Betting may slow down anyway, back at work, shifts are 7 to 3, or 1.30pm to 9.30pm, which sort of buggers any attempt at betting, don't always get to take any sort of break and all betting sites blocked at work though have betfair app. Going for a quick look now though.

I'm always at work. That's why I have to get my bets on at lunchtime, which means I miss out on all the "market move" stuff - bit of a pain sometimes - especially when one drifts like the proverbial barge and promptly finishes tailed off.

Still it is what it is. Wish I could watch some of these races tomorrow - they'll be quite informative, one way or the other.

JamTheEagle

17-04-2012, 09:08 PM

Out of curiosity - what sites do most people do their form reading on?

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:10 PM

Racing Post

Sometimes will look elsewhere, but it has all the info i need

I like ATR for looking at how many winners have come out of races

saul1664

17-04-2012, 09:11 PM

I'm always at work. That's why I have to get my bets on at lunchtime, which means I miss out on all the "market move" stuff - bit of a pain sometimes - especially when one drifts like the proverbial barge and promptly finishes tailed off.

Still it is what it is. Wish I could watch some of these races tomorrow - they'll be quite informative, one way or the other.

Yeah. Been off sick for a while so more time to look. Plus work a lot of saturdays where all the horse racing is, it's more usual to end up working through every lunch break (for free) and late (for free). Meh.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 09:12 PM

RP for me, but don't pay for any premium services.

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:17 PM

Out of curiosity - what sites do most people do their form reading on?

Sporting Life on-line.

Racing Post in print.

The latter puts me off more winners than it finds me.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:18 PM

dont like RP in print as form only goes back so far, like to look back further than it allows

NO1FAN

17-04-2012, 09:19 PM

Always ATR

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:20 PM

I see sporting life like Responsive too

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:21 PM

dont like RP in print as form only goes back so far, like to look back further than it allows

Yep - that's why I like the SportingLife web-site - can look at the form as far back as you like and watch re-runs of quite a few races too.

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:22 PM

Yep - that's why I like the SportingLife web-site - can look at the form as far back as you like and watch re-runs of quite a few races too.

you really never use RP online?? :confused:

saul1664

17-04-2012, 09:22 PM

RP I look at form lines, don't take any notice of what they say, you can see the OR ratings and RP ratings next to each horse as well. Didn't take much note of any flat racing last year, so haven't got a scooby doo about any of these horses, will record and watch and see if anything turns up in the morning.

saul1664

17-04-2012, 09:23 PM

Yep - that's why I like the SportingLife web-site - can look at the form as far back as you like and watch re-runs of quite a few races too.

For free?

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:24 PM

I see sporting life like Responsive too

I could back it and that would soon stop it - to my knowledge Darryl Holland has never, ever ridden a winner for me. :)

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:25 PM

you really never use RP online?? :confused:

I never have, but then I've never tried it.

Yes Saul, for free. :p

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:28 PM

I never have, but then I've never tried it.

Yes Saul, for free. :p

you should try it

I use Sporting life for free replays of Racing Uk races and ATR for free replays of ATR races

hurrah

Gooders

17-04-2012, 09:28 PM

For example, go to SportingLife, click Racing-Racecards-Tomorrow then select the 17.55, click on Responsive then click on it's last race behind Pimpernel and select either "Watch full race" or "Watch closing stages".

Job's a good 'un.

Obviously they don't have re-runs of last Wednesday's 5.45 from Southwell, but you can't have everything. :D

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 09:28 PM

I could back it and that would soon stop it - to my knowledge Darryl Holland has never, ever ridden a winner for me. :)

He is v hit and miss

JamTheEagle

17-04-2012, 09:32 PM

Cheers - I use sportinglife but the ATR and racing post ones do look good.

cantspell

17-04-2012, 09:36 PM

Sporting life and Racing Post for me - occasionally attheraces and racinguk

LLCOOLSTEVE

17-04-2012, 10:24 PM

Looking at that last race at newmarket again, Sans Loi is very interesting at a big price

saul1664

17-04-2012, 11:15 PM

Okay I have two for tomorrow, keep getting them sent by i phone overnight lol.

3:45 Cheltenham The Cockney Mackem (2 pts win) @ 3.85
4:30 Beverley Deepsand (e/w) @ 10

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 12:44 AM

Just been watching some gallop videos from Mick Channons website and MUAAMARA seems to be going very well, entered in the nell gwynn at newmarket today and he gallops along side another entry over 6 furlongs, Lady Gorgeous, Lady Gorgeous is rated 90 and Muaamara is jest brezzing nicely, easily and Lady Gorgeous is being pushed along to keep up to its work with her.

Muaamara has only won a maiden (only run 1 race) but could be a big improver over the winter, willing to take a chance on her. 16/1 ish at mo.

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 01:00 AM

OOooooooh Racy makes season debut today at beverley! :lux:

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 01:19 AM

Shantaram runs at 5.20

Everyone should back him for the Derby before this race today 33/1 at mo

Gooders

18-04-2012, 10:19 AM

Russian Storm is a non-runner so that's made my decision for me.

Will perm my 8 selections up thusly, I think:

Samitar 3.00 Newm
Redact 3.35 Newm
Regal Realm 4.10 Newm
Katchmore 5.30 Chelt

Doc Hay 3.20 Bev
Cabal 3.55 Bev
Blue Shoes 5.05 Bev
Heyward Girl 5.55 Newm

Good luck guys.

pauldrulez

18-04-2012, 10:26 AM

Shantaram runs at 5.20

Everyone should back him for the Derby before this race today 33/1 at mo
Done

JamTheEagle

18-04-2012, 10:51 AM

Shantaram runs at 5.20

Everyone should back him for the Derby before this race today 33/1 at mo

Nice easy race, only the five sons of Galileo... :eek:

Gooders

18-04-2012, 11:25 AM

Too many euros burning holes in my pocket so I've also covered my 5 discarded selections in a Lucky31 for pennies :) :

Marvo 2.10 Bev
Wolf Spirit 4.30 Bev
Producer 4.45 Newm
Arabian Flight 6.35 Kemp
Queen Of Denmark 7.35 Kemp

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 01:28 PM

Very impressed by Baileys Jubilee win just now @ Newmarket.

Definitely one in the Blackbook :p

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 01:30 PM

Battlecry EW in the next @ Cheltenham for me

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 01:46 PM

Looking at that last race at newmarket again, Sans Loi is very interesting at a big price

was 20/1 last night when i looked, been backed in to 7/1 now :sob:

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 01:49 PM

FFS, how did he lose that!? Travelled beautifully and led for 5650 meters and only to get pipped in the last 50 meters!!! Gutted!!! :grrr:

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 01:52 PM

was 20/1 last night when i looked, been backed in to 7/1 now :sob:
You didn't put money on it last night @ 20/1? :(

NO1FAN

18-04-2012, 01:56 PM

was 20/1 last night when i looked, been backed in to 7/1 now :sob:

Thats what happens when Hugh Taylor tips one up that youve picked out :(

Gooders

18-04-2012, 02:01 PM

Lots of people agree with Steve about Valbcheck!

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 02:02 PM

Nemarkets 3pm ... think Valbcheck will win well

:)

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 02:03 PM

Thats what happens when Hugh Taylor tips one up that youve picked out :(

I didnt do it it last night but wouldnt have picked it as the winner anyways, just a big ew price... went with the Hannon horse instead in that race (isntead of responive my original pick)

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 02:04 PM

Lots of people agree with Steve about Valbcheck!

I remember Noseda saying something like it was his Guineas horse this year or something

Gooders

18-04-2012, 02:04 PM

And it wins - well done Steve. :p

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 02:09 PM

Native Gallery in next at Chel @ 4/1

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 02:11 PM

Can't believe I missed that post by Steve on Valbcheck, kickin myself :grrr:

Congrats mate :p

LLCOOLSTEVE

18-04-2012, 02:16 PM

175c

Was a lucky dart Noodle

Gooders

18-04-2012, 02:16 PM

I remember Noseda saying something like it was his Guineas horse this year or something

All but 3 of the horses in the race are entered in the Guineas at this stage!

Gooders

18-04-2012, 02:17 PM

Although one suspects a fair few of them won't be at the next declaration stage. :)

Flat Noodle

18-04-2012, 02:21 PM

Native Gallery in next at Chel @ 4/1
3rd.

I'm starting to feel like Gooders now. :rolleyes:

Gooders

18-04-2012, 02:21 PM

Not a guineas horse after all, it seems:

Valbchek held off the late challenge of Swiss Spirit to win the Tattersalls Millions 3YO Sprint at Newmarket on day one of the Craven Meeting.

Jeremy Noseda's Acclamation colt was sent off the 100-30 favourite on the back of an impressive win in a maiden and he made it two from two here under a strong Ryan Moore drive.

The well-fancied Samitar had tried to run the finish out of them from the front but she was swamped in the closing stages, with Valbchek prevailing by half-a-length from Swiss Spirit (10-1) at the line.

Tidentime was third at 33-1.

Noseda said: "We ran him at Lingfield to get a run into him over six furlongs with a view to coming here and it's nice when a little plan comes to fruition.

"He's a nice horse and it's a good performance to win a race like this with so little experience.

"He could go for the Carnarvon Stakes at Newbury at the Lockinge meeting. I had it at the back of my mind he might be a Jersey horse but Ryan says six furlongs is his trip for now but he could get a bit furtrher in time."