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cantspell
26-06-2012, 06:45 PM
What are you on?
JamTheEagle
26-06-2012, 06:49 PM
£250 if it wins.
JamTheEagle
26-06-2012, 06:51 PM
I usually just let my stuff ride out as I forget so not sure what to do really.
LLCOOLSTEVE
26-06-2012, 06:56 PM
Id have a saver on golden Jubilee and thats it
NO1FAN
26-06-2012, 06:57 PM
Yeah I'm looking for golden jubilee to bounce back from its last race
JamTheEagle
26-06-2012, 07:01 PM
Laid off half :)
LLCOOLSTEVE
26-06-2012, 07:06 PM
Romeo Americo to upset the 2 favs at NA
LLCOOLSTEVE
26-06-2012, 07:15 PM
4/1 winner :)
pauldrulez
26-06-2012, 07:19 PM
Eagle Nebula was my one bet of the night. From my amateur eye, the jockey put him to the front too early, give it another 50-100 yards and make the move instead!
cantspell
26-06-2012, 07:20 PM
I did the same LLcoolSteve - Jolly Rodger up loads
I really like Farrh for the Eclipse at 4/1 (value) - must shorten as it was ridden at the back and got hampered in running
cantspell
26-06-2012, 07:38 PM
Khione looked a good prospect
Muskatsturm at 16/1 has only run on flats for the last 6 years won ffs, had money on Moving On to win.
Another second. :\\\\\\\\
JamTheEagle
26-06-2012, 08:35 PM
I did the same LLcoolSteve - Jolly Rodger up loads
I really like Farrh for the Eclipse at 4/1 (value) - must shorten as it was ridden at the back and got hampered in running
Would have given SYT something to think about... I'll get my coat.
cantspell
26-06-2012, 09:12 PM
I think you are right Jam - SYT 4/6 Farrh 4/1 - I know which is value
DedBallSpeshlst
27-06-2012, 06:42 AM
A bit more perspective on her run:
The British Horseracing Authority handicappers have rated Black Caviar’s Group I Diamond Jubilee Stakes performance five lengths below her Australian figure.
Black Caviar beat the French gallopers Moonlight Cloud and Restiadargent by a head and a neck respectively. The BHA handicappers rated her performance at 117, 15 pounds below her highest domestic rating.
A BHA statement confirmed the organisation’s handicappers took into account the fact Black Caviar’s jockey Luke Nolen stopped riding the champion before the post.
"Had her jockey, Luke Nolen, not tried to coast home on the final run to the winning line, she would have beaten French raiders Moonlight Cloud (115) and Restiadargent (114) by more than a head and a neck, something that the handicappers have taken into account in giving her a performance rating two pounds higher than that awarded to Moonlight Cloud,” the statement read.
1f41
JamTheEagle
27-06-2012, 11:26 AM
One last go for Karaka Jack, even with the bent jockey on top as they are farming this for something.
Gooders
27-06-2012, 11:45 AM
Miami Gator 3.30 Carlisle
Entihaa 4.05 Carlisle
Pitkin 5.05 Carlisle
Borug 8.50 Kempton
Ibtahaj 9.20 Kempton
LLCOOLSTEVE
27-06-2012, 08:06 PM
copper falls in the last at bath, 14/1
LLCOOLSTEVE
27-06-2012, 08:17 PM
Looked good a furlong out, ah well Saoi in the last at kempton, 16/1
cantspell
27-06-2012, 08:24 PM
not bad - 3rd but the fav hacked up very impressive
JamTheEagle
27-06-2012, 09:33 PM
Excellent Aim and Young Jackie at Yarmouth.
NO1FAN
27-06-2012, 09:38 PM
Excellent Aim and Young Jackie at Yarmouth.
If memory serves me right youve had info from Margarson yard in the past.
This info or fancies?
JamTheEagle
27-06-2012, 09:47 PM
If memory serves me right youve had info from Margarson yard in the past.
This info or fancies?
I do!
From previous updates Excellent Aim has been working well over the winter and is ready to race and Young Jackie will like the step up in trip. Don't really think he was saying lump on but I think he is expecting decent runs from these two.
Both were a decent enough price and have lured me in, even though it is bloody Yarmouth...
NO1FAN
27-06-2012, 09:51 PM
yeah definately worth a little tickle at the prices plus Spencer is 2 from 3 for Margarson over the last 12 months
JamTheEagle
27-06-2012, 09:55 PM
yeah definately worth a little tickle at the prices plus Spencer is 2 from 3 for Margarson over the last 12 months
Jeez, Spencer also apparently has a 46% strike rate at Yarmouth!
NO1FAN
27-06-2012, 09:56 PM
Might actually be worth a bit of a punt. I have adjusted my stake accordingly its obviously a little fancied by the jockey booking
Gooders
28-06-2012, 10:03 AM
Ibtahaj 9.20 Kempton
A Godolphin horse my only winner - oh the irony.
cantspell
28-06-2012, 10:19 AM
A Godolphin horse my only winner - oh the irony. It was impressive Gooders- as I said last week they are now in form and should no longer be discounted
Gooders
28-06-2012, 10:26 AM
Yep - off the blacklist, which only contains A O'B now. :hmph:
Will perm these up today, I think:
Yarmouth
2.50 Excellent Aim
4.20 Rough Rock
Warwick
2.40 Celestial Dawn
3.10 Ivor's Princess
4.40 Join Up
Newcastle
3.00 Swiftly Done
3.30 Boston Blue
4.30 Hydrant
Gooders
28-06-2012, 01:18 PM
Too many selections and not a lot of value in some of them so I went with just these 4 in the end:
Excellent Aim 2.50 Yarmouth
Boston Blue 3.30 Newcastle
Free Verse 3.40 Warwick
Hydrant 4.30 Newcastle
Gooders
28-06-2012, 02:31 PM
Shit. Missed out on a 6/1 winner by leaving out Swiftly Done.
Excellent Aim finished stone last. :(
JamTheEagle
28-06-2012, 04:55 PM
Indeed, hence why I guess it wasn't suggested to lump on!
Spencer murdered Young Jackie there, bound to get a hefty ban for that.
Gooders
28-06-2012, 08:58 PM
I'd have preferred the suggestion not to be on at all. :) ;)
NO1FAN
28-06-2012, 09:30 PM
My fault I shouldn't have bigged it up.
Flat Noodle
28-06-2012, 09:34 PM
My fault I shouldn't have bigged it up.
Don't blame yourself too much, dude. Had it won, we would have all been very thankful to you. This is punting after all ;)
Now you better make it up with a winning tip tonight :veryangry
Gooders
29-06-2012, 06:59 AM
Quite right Noodlester - we're all big enough and ugly enough to make our own minds up - no blame game going on here either.
Watheeq must win at Folkestone today, surely? Doubt that the forecast SP of 2/1 on the SportingLife website will be available though. By the way, the revamped look and feel of their website is excellent.
Gooders
29-06-2012, 07:00 AM
Just checked - 6/5 with BetVictor - banker material.
Gooders
29-06-2012, 07:19 AM
Flying back lunchtime - hopefully I'll make it back in time to do these:
Slip Sliding Away 3.55 Folkestone
Watheeq 5.40 Folkestone
Quiet Appeal 7.35 Newmarket
Hallelujah 8.05 Newmarket
Other possible fancies:
Alframsey 4.30 Folkestone
Cheeky Wee Red 5.30 Muss
Whozthecat 9.10 Newmarket
sampuds
29-06-2012, 04:24 PM
**** Tom Queally. What the hell was he doing on Picture Dealer.
Gooders
29-06-2012, 04:46 PM
1f7f
With non-runners and lack of value I ended up doing these four:
Alframsay 4.30
Cheeky Wee Red 5.30
Quiet Appeal 7.35
Hallelujah 8.05
Fingers crossed that one of this evening's wins...
milky87
29-06-2012, 05:19 PM
F*cking typical, backed Pira Palace e/w, it came 3rd but 2 were pulled out when the other 6 were in the stalls
JamTheEagle
29-06-2012, 05:35 PM
Money down for Hills and he doesn't disappoint - she looked smart!
cantspell
29-06-2012, 05:58 PM
I really fancy Kenyan Cat 725 Chester
pauldrulez
29-06-2012, 06:17 PM
I really fancy Kenyan Cat 725 Chester
Done.
Doubled up with Whozthecat in the Newmarket 9.10. 3/1 this morning, 5/4ish now
Gooders
29-06-2012, 06:32 PM
Just checked - 6/5 with BetVictor - banker material.
Or not - luckily I didn't back it as I don't do odds-on shots and it was 8/13 by the time I got to the shop.
Gooders
29-06-2012, 06:44 PM
1st 4 Mubaraza (IRE) 9/1
2nd 12 Cheviot Quest 14/1
3rd 8 Bathwick Street 9/1
:rolleyes:
cantspell
29-06-2012, 06:44 PM
Sorry Pauldrulez- only 2nsd it was at this time last year that it started to come good
Gooders
29-06-2012, 06:45 PM
Down to Hallelujah in the 8.05 now. Had a small saver on Pearl Diva.
Gooders
29-06-2012, 06:46 PM
Bollocks - just seen that Hallelujah has been pulled out.
JamTheEagle
29-06-2012, 07:56 PM
Can't believe the price of my boy Ile de Re considering he was 12s not so long ago.
JamTheEagle
29-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Happy to see Imperial Monarch finally get a decent chance, took the 12s last week - think you have to be mental to back Camelot at short odds on in Soft to Heavy ground...
JamTheEagle
29-06-2012, 08:50 PM
Crackentorp also looks a bet @ 18/1
Gooders
30-06-2012, 08:13 AM
Our Jonathan 2.15 Newcastle
Sandreamer 2.30 Newmarket
Ile De Re 3.20 Newcastle
Decision By One 3.45 Chester
milky87
30-06-2012, 09:15 AM
£0.15 e/w super yankee + £1.10 e/w acca
2:30 Newmarket - City Image 5/2
3:45 Chester - Red Art 5/1
4:15 Chester - Electric Qatar 4/1
4:35 Windsor - Rex Imperator 8/1
4:40 Newmarket - License To Till 12/1
I think it is just over a year since I have the 4 up and a place (£1,700 + for a £10 stake) so I am hoping for a bit of that again
saul1664
30-06-2012, 09:39 AM
Hardly ever set foot in a bookies, out yesterday and went in and had a cheeky e/w on Radio Gaga who scooted up, I then went to win a further £190 on live poker but that's a different story. Odd that the Irish Derby is at 7.40pm, Camelot's form doesn't look as good now as it did, surely the Irish Zarooni can't mess this one up though.
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 10:53 AM
Went off Crakenthorp and decided to have another bet on Libranno, can't have Hoof It at 7f.
milky87
30-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Think I will have a small e/w punt on Light Heavy for a bit of interest
pauldrulez
30-06-2012, 12:45 PM
My bets
Win L15:
Newc 2.15 Eton Rifles
Newc 2.45 Powerful Presence
Newm 3.35 Hoof It
Newc 5.30 Fire Ship
E/W L15:
Newc 3.20 Crackentorp
Windsor 4.35 Lexi's Hero
Curragh 7.40 Imperial Monarch
Doncaster 8.45 Darling Lexi
2 other bets on previous horses i've bet on:
Newmarket 3.35 Firebeam
Curragh 7.40 Astrology e/w (Potential is definitely there)
cantspell
30-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Went off Crakenthorp and decided to have another bet on Libranno, can't have Hoof It at 7f. Same here- Hoof It is having a run out for a crack at a Newmarket race at the July meeting
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 01:07 PM
Michelangelo classy again, given a few smacks to make it look like hard work but it never was :)
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:26 PM
GETTTTTTTTT INNNNNNNNNNN :lux:
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:26 PM
Class horse.
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:28 PM
Had the 1-2 ;)
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:32 PM
AOB withdraws Imperial Monarch, what a big surprise that is - he has Camelot beat.
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:34 PM
Well done Jam just the first for me - need Libranno for a nice double with Il de Re
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:35 PM
AOB withdraws Imperial Monarch, what a big surprise that is - he has Camelot beat.
Joke - need to watch out when Imperial Monarch turns out next
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:35 PM
1fc4
Intesresting in next - Fallon recommended tht Hoof It ran over 6f last year
Gooders
30-06-2012, 02:36 PM
Unfortunately, I was only on at SP - thought it was too short yesterday at 5/1. :(
Gooders
30-06-2012, 02:37 PM
Joke - need to watch out when Imperial Monarch turns out next
Joke - just avoid betting on the ***** horses.
Gooders
30-06-2012, 02:37 PM
Sandreamer beaten into 2nd I see, so I need Decision By One now.
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:37 PM
Gettttt Inn!
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:38 PM
Well done Jam just the first for me - need Libranno for a nice double with Il de Re
:lux:
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:38 PM
Day over for me, big lay on Hoof It and big win on Libranno :lux:
Gooders
30-06-2012, 02:38 PM
Well done chaps. :p
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:39 PM
Massive Money in for George Vancouver in first at Curragh
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:41 PM
450k on the race 330K on George Vancouver
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:42 PM
Well done chaps. :p
Cheers
cantspell
30-06-2012, 02:44 PM
Only 3rd
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:44 PM
Would rather pour my money down the drain than back his short price horses, big surprise it loses.
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:46 PM
Little punt on Red Art in the next at Chester @ 4/1
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 02:48 PM
And I'm having a fiver on Akeed Mofeed to beat Camelot, desperate to him lose.
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 03:50 PM
Mirrored @ 3/1
milky87
30-06-2012, 03:55 PM
Just got back in time for a small £2.50 e/w on Rex Imperator, then done £2.50 e/w on License to Till, then had a fiver double on Sharestan and Red Inca
Also had £15 on Red Inca
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 03:56 PM
Mirrored @ 3/1
Laid it off when it touch stupid prices whilst doing nothing - last bet is
Akeed Mofeed.
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 03:57 PM
Just got back in time for a small £2.50 e/w on Rex Imperator, then done £2.50 e/w on License to Till, then had a fiver double on Sharestan and Red Inca
Also had £15 on Red Inca
Nice, that is in my Nagme list but didn't do it today :p
cantspell
30-06-2012, 03:57 PM
Would rather pour my money down the drain than back his short price horses, big surprise it loses.
I left it alone as I saw it was a US bred horse - form on dirt in pedigree so heavy ground was never going to suit
milky87
30-06-2012, 03:57 PM
Jesus, that was close
Not sure if he got up
milky87
30-06-2012, 04:00 PM
F*ck
milky87
30-06-2012, 04:01 PM
He got in front just before the line and union island managed to get back past him
milky87
30-06-2012, 04:52 PM
Murtagh doesn't sound too confident about the chances of Born To Sea
milky87
30-06-2012, 05:08 PM
Jamie Spencer is a cock.
Last to first, timed perfectly.
He never does that when I back him, always loses by a short head
spuddy
30-06-2012, 06:18 PM
Jamie Spencer is a cock.
Last to first, timed perfectly.
He never does that when I back him, always loses by a short head
I reckon Emma Spencer will agree 100% with your first line :)
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 06:35 PM
:D
Dilemma, want Camelot to be a superstar for Montjeu's sakes but then again I don't as it is disgraceful the way their whole operation is sacrificing Imperial Monarch just to up Camelot's stud value.
He has a long way to go to prove anything regardless of winning or losing tonight.
milky87
30-06-2012, 06:41 PM
How can this race only attract 5 runners
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 06:44 PM
How can this race only attract 5 runners
Because AOB ****s around with his entries and ruins it as usual.
JamTheEagle
30-06-2012, 06:46 PM
Once again we will never know if Imperial Monarch would have beaten them. Personally I think he would have made a mug of Camelot there.
milky87
30-06-2012, 06:56 PM
Back to the real world.
Had a small punt on Suraj and the winnings have gone on to Kiss A Prince at 5/2
1f6f
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:05 PM
Nice, had £18.75 on Kiss A Prince
cantspell
30-06-2012, 07:08 PM
Once again we will never know if Imperial Monarch would have beaten them. Personally I think he would have made a mug of Camelot there.
I agree- he didn't beat Born to Sea by much and didn't have much left.
cantspell
30-06-2012, 07:09 PM
Nice, had £18.75 on Kiss A Prince
Don't think you will see an easier winner
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:13 PM
Don't think you will see an easier winner
I thought that
I was thinking let him f*cking go as he did leave it till about 50 yards out
pauldrulez
30-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Jamie Spencer is a cock.
Last to first, timed perfectly.
He never does that when I back him, always loses by a short head
I'd extend that to Richard Hughes.
I see him ride so many bad races that today I deliberately didn't back 2 of his horses today, which of course rocked up.
Damn him.
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:29 PM
I'd extend that to Richard Hughes.
I see him ride so many bad races that today I deliberately didn't back 2 of his horses today, which of course rocked up.
Damn him.
Hughes is no where near as bad as Spencer (also a far better jockey)
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:30 PM
Although if he doesn't win on Bridgehampton I won't be too happy
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:33 PM
You are right, Hughes is a wan*er
pauldrulez
30-06-2012, 07:34 PM
Hughes is no where near as bad as Spencer (also a far better jockey)
I know, Hughes just seems to have these races where he tries to be incredibly clever and it goes tits up.
Normally it's when i've backed him!
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:43 PM
Jamie Spencer is a cock.
Last to first, timed perfectly.
He never does that when I back him, always loses by a short head
So my next bet is Circle of Angels :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
LLCOOLSTEVE
30-06-2012, 07:46 PM
STYLISTICKHILL
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:48 PM
Piss off Steve ;)
milky87
30-06-2012, 07:49 PM
I love Jamie Spencer
cantspell
01-07-2012, 07:50 AM
I see AOB messes up 2 year old race with 3 entries.
And I hope that Sapphire or Izzy Izzy can win the Pretty Polly
cantspell
01-07-2012, 07:52 AM
Newa just in Maybe and Was pulled out
Gooders
01-07-2012, 09:08 AM
Windsor:
2.45 Razorbill
3.15 Glittering Gold
3.50 Miss Diva
Salisbury
2.35 South Cape
3.05 The Wee Chief
3.40 Wild Desert
pauldrulez
01-07-2012, 11:43 AM
Just the 2 bets today.
Uttoxeter 2.25 - Brady. It's the name of my cat... and it's Evens which is completely against my betting ethos normally!
Chantilly 2.40 (I think) - Caspar Netscher, which seems to be doing a hell of a lot better racing abroad than it's early season results in the UK.
JamTheEagle
01-07-2012, 12:13 PM
I see AOB has entered Imperial Monarch in the Eclipse now - probably going to use it to pony down SYT and then declare it a NR.
pauldrulez
01-07-2012, 12:16 PM
I see AOB has entered Imperial Monarch in the Eclipse now - probably going to use it to pony down SYT and then declare it a NR.
:D
milky87
01-07-2012, 12:56 PM
I can't wait for Sandown on Saturday, always a good day out.
Not sure of the full field but think if it runs I will back Nathaniel
pauldrulez
01-07-2012, 01:32 PM
Just the 2 bets today.
Uttoxeter 2.25 - Brady. It's the name of my cat... and it's Evens which is completely against my betting ethos normally!
Chantilly 2.40 (I think) - Caspar Netscher, which seems to be doing a hell of a lot better racing abroad than it's early season results in the UK.
Yay Brady!
Very good performance in it's hurdles debut.
JamTheEagle
01-07-2012, 01:36 PM
Windsor 15:15 - Jungle Beat @ 8/1 one last chance to improve with blinkers
spuddy
01-07-2012, 01:57 PM
I had one more word on lucky 15 but hear it was withdrawn just before start does anyone know how this effects my bet?
Gooders
01-07-2012, 01:59 PM
I had one more word on lucky 15 but hear it was withdrawn just before start does anyone know how this effects my bet?
Counts as a winner without a price.
Gooders
01-07-2012, 02:02 PM
Razorbill beaten a feckin' head. :rolleyes:
spuddy
01-07-2012, 02:08 PM
Counts as a winner without a price.
Thanks mate
1f81
Gooders
01-07-2012, 02:15 PM
And now The Wee Chief is beaten a neck. Bollocks!
milky87
01-07-2012, 02:57 PM
Had a £10 win double on Western Prize and Miss Diva.
Thought Miss Diva had held on but just got beat in a photo
Gooders
01-07-2012, 02:58 PM
Of course it did. Three 2nds and a 3rd for me today. :rolleyes:
milky87
01-07-2012, 03:03 PM
Light The World at Uttoxeter
milky87
01-07-2012, 04:24 PM
Backed Checkpoint and once again I have been done on the line in a photo
pauldrulez
01-07-2012, 06:58 PM
I see AOB has entered Imperial Monarch in the Eclipse now - probably going to use it to pony down SYT and then declare it a NR.
Declared a Non Runner!
LLCOOLSTEVE
01-07-2012, 07:14 PM
Declared a Non Runner!
Cause he is running in a french race instead
pauldrulez
01-07-2012, 07:17 PM
Cause he is running in a french race instead
Yep. But was adding it onto Jam's comment from earlier.
LLCOOLSTEVE
01-07-2012, 07:19 PM
Aye, but it s a bit different than just declaring him a NR on the day
JamTheEagle
01-07-2012, 07:46 PM
Wow, just wow - because it worked so well for them in France last time?
Can't say I blame him for not wanting his future cash cows beaten but it is rather unsavoury. In a year where, for me anyway, the 3yo milers have been a very average bunch one horse who could change that is not being given the chance it deserves :clown:
Farhh for the Eclipse please, don't blow the start this time!
cantspell
01-07-2012, 08:26 PM
I put up Farhh last week - 4/1 - it will be more prominent on Saturday
ChickenDipper
02-07-2012, 10:39 AM
Today is a Luke Morris day. Some very good rides at FFos Las and a couple at wolverhampton.
Gooders
02-07-2012, 11:57 AM
Today's racing is doggers - minimum stakes:
I'm So Glad 4.30 Pontefract
Fleeting Fashion 5.00 Pontefract
Royal Etiquette 8.10 Windsor
Zowaina 8.40 Windsor
JamTheEagle
02-07-2012, 12:23 PM
9/4 for St Nicholas Abbey is a brilliant price, just hope Dunaden doesn't show up!
Also 16/1 for Libranno in the July Cup :)
Gooders
02-07-2012, 04:09 PM
I realise the weather is a factor but I'm getting completely pissed off with the number of late non-runners and late withdrawals recently. Punters are being screwed. Does my ******* head in.
cantspell
02-07-2012, 04:53 PM
Gooders am with you with that and I can't believe the number of flat meetings that have been called off this year- FFos Las the latest - love to know how many
Gooders
02-07-2012, 06:39 PM
If the courses are not fit, they're not fit - that's fair enough. But if a horse is not going to run pull the feckin' thing out before lunchtime, not 30 mins before the bloody race.
Unless you're one of these geezers that spends all afternoon in the shop backing a horse in every race, you've no chance at the moment.
Gooders
03-07-2012, 11:36 AM
Today at Brighton, where I am especially rubbish:
3.15 Esprit Danseur
4.15 Tinkerbell Will
5.15 Paperetto
5.45 Amazing Win
Gooders
03-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Today at Brighton, where I am especially rubbish:
3.15 Esprit Danseur
Can't do anything right at the moment. I went off Subtle Knife for this one due to it's terrible turf form - won at 8/1. :sob:
mart63
03-07-2012, 04:12 PM
Need Amazing Win to go with an 8/1,13/8 and non runner in a yankee at Brighton today.
Backed Stonecrabstomorrow its last two runs,so it will probably stuff me today.
Gooders
03-07-2012, 06:38 PM
You know the rules mart - don't back anything I've backed.
Especially at Brighton.
JamTheEagle
04-07-2012, 08:34 AM
See Kunooz runs at the Eclipse meeting in the Distaff, will be all over her if she opens up at 14/1 obviously will have Falls Of Lora to beat but maybe Frankie will choose her!
Gooders
04-07-2012, 09:09 AM
Roll on some decent racing and better ground anyway - it's been dreadful since Ascot.
Mata Hari Blue 3.20 Catterick
Sartingo 4.50 Catterick
Bint Alzain 6.20 Kempton
Art Scholar 8.35 Kempton
si1965
04-07-2012, 12:19 PM
Gooders - came across this tips website a few days ago and they have an impressive strike rate, especially as they go against the perceived wisdom and pick a selection from every race at every meeting. While there is a high proportion of short priced horses they also select (and have winners) at bigger prices.
http://www.speedyequines.com/
What piqued my interest is that 3 out of 4 of your selections match - they go for a 12/1 shot Covert Decree in the 8.35
Gooders
04-07-2012, 12:50 PM
1f60
Gooders - came across this tips website a few days ago and they have an impressive strike rate, especially as they go against the perceived wisdom and pick a selection from every race at every meeting. While there is a high proportion of short priced horses they also select (and have winners) at bigger prices.
http://www.speedyequines.com/
What piqued my interest is that 3 out of 4 of your selections match - they go for a 12/1 shot Covert Decree in the 8.35
Interesting Si.
Bint Alzain and Art Scholar are certainly a lot shorter now than they were earlier. Not that that necessarily means anything!
I had a 100/1 shot placed and a 25/1 winner at lunchtime at Steepledowns.
I think I should probably stick with the cartoons. :)
ChickenDipper
04-07-2012, 01:05 PM
Interesting Si.
Bint Alzain and Art Scholar are certainly a lot shorter now than they were earlier. Not that that necessarily means anything!
I had a 100/1 shot placed and a 25/1 winner at lunchtime at Steepledowns.
I think I should probably stick with the cartoons. :)
good work gooders
Gooders
04-07-2012, 04:51 PM
AP McCoy is a genius.
I noticed that he had gone to Warwick or wherever it was for one ride today so I popped up the road and put Cock Of The Rock in a double with Tinseltown, which the world and his wife have been tipping all day.
Tinseltown won easily but there is no other jockey in the country that would have got Cock Of The Rock home in my opinion - he was off the bridle at least 6 furlongs from home whilst another runner ranged alongside him without the jockey touching him - but good old AP drove him out to score by a tiny margin.
Made my day.
Contrast that with the awful ride that the much-praised SDS gave to Eijaaz in the last at Catterick - gave the leader way too much rope and finished like a train in 2nd. Very poorly judged ride.
LLCOOLSTEVE
04-07-2012, 05:30 PM
AP McCoy is a genius.
.
3/4 of the way through his autobiography
Although a fantastic jockey he was a nasty guy to thosewho loved and cared for him for a while a few years back, its a great read though.
LLCOOLSTEVE
04-07-2012, 05:40 PM
and I think the Stoute runner will win at kempton in the next, ran to a figure rated around 85 on debut which is very good,should improve by another 3-6lbs for that run and only has the fav to beat who is quite exposed now and rated 82, can get better than 2/1 for Stoutes horse
saul1664
04-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Had the Stoute 2nd string at 12s, but the favourite has won easy there.
Gooders
04-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Bint Alzain didn't get a clear run. :(
Gooders
05-07-2012, 07:43 AM
3/4 of the way through his autobiography
Although a fantastic jockey he was a nasty guy to thosewho loved and cared for him for a while a few years back, its a great read though.
Sounds like some light holiday reading for me. :p
Gooders
05-07-2012, 07:43 AM
Racing is a touch better today - quite a few fancies to sort out.
Gooders
05-07-2012, 09:55 AM
SYT out of the Eclipse - huge bonus for ante-post backers of Faarh, I should think.
Gooders
05-07-2012, 10:16 AM
First Class 3.10 Yarmouth
Ooi Long 3.40 Yarmouth
Mediterranean Sea 6.05 Epsom
Italian Tom 7.10 Epsom
Matavia Bay 6.20 Newbury
NO1FAN
05-07-2012, 10:24 AM
Similar thinking today Gooders
1 Strada Facendo 4.10 Yarmouth
(Win and Each Way)
Live Stream 05/07/2012 3 Places
1/5 Odds 5/2 To Run
2 Ostentation 5.10 Yarmouth
(Win and Each Way)
Live Stream 05/07/2012 3 Places
1/5 Odds 7/2 To Run
3 Ooi Long 3.40 Yarmouth
(Win and Each Way)
Live Stream 05/07/2012 3 Places
1/4 Odds 13/2 To Run
4 First Class 3.10 Yarmouth
(Win and Each Way)
Live Stream 05/07/2012 3 Places
1/4 Odds 6/1 To Run
Gooders
05-07-2012, 11:02 AM
Ooi Long is the stand out for me today. I left Mediterranean Sea out in the end - too risky.
I've also added an each-way Lucky15 on 3 of Graham Lee's longshots at Haydock plus Take Two in the 4.10 at Yarmouth. I like Graham Lee - you know he's trying.
Gooders
05-07-2012, 11:03 AM
I read the write up about Bint Alzain's run at Kempton last night earlier - sounds dodgy to me, especially as having been punted in, it then drifted out again - always a sign of shenanigans as far as I'm concerned.
Gooders
05-07-2012, 02:57 PM
I was right to go for an outsider in the 3.50, but picked the wrong one:
1st 15 El Mcglynn (IRE) 50/1
2nd 5 Emiratesdotcom 16/1
3rd 9 Rash Judgement 50/1
saul1664
05-07-2012, 02:57 PM
SYT out of the Eclipse - huge bonus for ante-post backers of Faarh, I should think.
Another bottle job.
Gooders
05-07-2012, 03:17 PM
One of the regulars was telling the world and his wife that he had had a strong tip for Touch Gold in the 4.10
I ignored him. :rolleyes:
Gooders
05-07-2012, 04:14 PM
Salvaged my day by popping down the road and backing Tis Rock 'n' Roll at 13/2. That one will win again before it's done with, I should think.
Played up some winnings on these tonight:
Henry Allingham 7.45 Epsom
Tea Cup 8.00 Newbury
Super Duplex 8.50 Epsom
Ultimate Destiny 9.05 Newbury
Went off my silly idea earlier to do Magic Destiny and Ultimate Destiny in a double. Magic Destiny just hacked up.
1f93
Gooders
05-07-2012, 04:44 PM
lol - Graham Lee wins by 6 lengths at 5/1 on the only one of his 4 mounts that I didn't back today. :clown:
pauldrulez
05-07-2012, 04:46 PM
SYT out of the Eclipse - huge bonus for ante-post backers of Faarh, I should think.
Wish I'd put a little bit more money on Nathaniel last night rather than the small amount I did. Idiot!
DedBallSpeshlst
05-07-2012, 05:12 PM
Another bottle job.
Bit harsh on Frankel, even if they did dodge SYT for nothing in the end ;)
LLCOOLSTEVE
05-07-2012, 05:16 PM
SYT out of the Eclipse - .
and retired
DedBallSpeshlst
05-07-2012, 05:32 PM
Has to get through quarantine and start rooting mares in Australia in a couple of months. Great career, biggest prizemoney winner in UK/Ireland last season :p
saul1664
05-07-2012, 05:35 PM
Can't really look back at his career and think he really beat anything of note.
DedBallSpeshlst
05-07-2012, 05:40 PM
Saul, serious question, who are these mysterious horses he should be beating? Frankel has beaten bugger all so far, but that doesn't detract from how good he is, unless he doesn't step up at some time in the future. The problem is more likely that there hasn't been much of note around to beat in the last couple of seasons.
DedBallSpeshlst
05-07-2012, 05:42 PM
Didn't have much luck in the Arc, but still put in a gutsy effort, and at least he had a go there.
LLCOOLSTEVE
05-07-2012, 05:43 PM
Can't really look back at his career and think he really beat anything of note.
Very unfair
Plus the horse put up a staggering performance in theMelbourne cup
milky87
05-07-2012, 05:44 PM
SYT out of the Eclipse - huge bonus for ante-post backers of Faarh, I should think.
I am gutted.
Was gonna punt Nathaniel the other day at 8/1 and it's now 11/4
saul1664
05-07-2012, 05:51 PM
Excelerbration who has more or less won when not facing Frankel, he's rated 125 himself (exactly the same as SYT so that's a good yardstick), Canford Cliffs and Dubawi Gold (and of course Frankel is rated 13lbs better than SYT, a tad irrelevant since they race different distances) but even so thats a hell of a gap. Whereas SYT best performance is probably running Rewilding close. He's a fair middle distance horse but nothing that special.
DedBallSpeshlst
05-07-2012, 05:57 PM
Why didn't any of them step up from the mile and beat him?
LLCOOLSTEVE
05-07-2012, 06:08 PM
Excelerbration who has more or less won when not facing Frankel, he's rated 125 himself (exactly the same as SYT so that's a good yardstick), Canford Cliffs and Dubawi Gold (and of course Frankel is rated 13lbs better than SYT, a tad irrelevant since they race different distances)
These are milers?
DedBallSpeshlst
05-07-2012, 06:43 PM
Excelerbration who has more or less won when not facing Frankel
You seem to think this makes it looks like Frankel is beating something, whereas all it really does is highlight the lack of depth in their races.
When Excelebration won his Group 3 race in April this year he beat Croisultan. The start prior to running 2nd to Excelebration, he was 15th of 15 in a listed race at Cork, and after his second to Excelebration he has run 4th of 4 and 10th of 10.
Third that day behind was Windsor Palace. He has 2 wins from 20 odd starts (one a maiden, another a shock G3 victory when a pacemaker). His three starts prior to this placing were a 5th of 5 behind SYT (beaten 25 lengths), 5th of 5 behind Twice Over (beaten 35 lengths), 13th of 18 in a handicap (beaten 30.5 lengths).
Excelebration's only G1 win was against the hit and miss Rio De La Plata, who has won a couple of G1s in Italy. One of those was a narrow win where Worthadd was 1.3 lengths away (this horse ran 11th of 11 in the Queen Anne). Rio De La Plata's last 3 starts read 7th of 13, 13th of 14 and 13th of 15.
Excelebration was a G2 winner last year over Beacon Lodge, who has since run 3rd of 7, 5th of 7, 6th of 6, 6th of 6. The last two were floggings, one behind Excelebration and Croisultan, the other a listed race at Haydock where he was beaten 36 lengths.
As a 2 year old Excelebration won a set weights race against Point Du Jour, a horse that has won one from 18, and last few starts read 11th of 13, 7th of 9, 7th of 7, 6th of 17, 4th of 17.
Excelebrations first win was against Belgian Bill. He has won 2 of his 13 starts (a 3 year old hcp and a maiden). His last few starts read 7th of 14, 8th of 16, 2nd of 12, and at Royal Ascot 12th of 30.
JamTheEagle
05-07-2012, 09:21 PM
I don't think SYT would have won the Eclipse but good luck to him at stud - look forward to seeing the progeny.
Gooders
06-07-2012, 10:54 AM
Abandonments, huge lists of non-runners - might as well stick with Sandown - at least the racing might actually take place there.
2.20 Ray Of Joy
4.00 Afsare
4.35 Chain Of Events
5.05 Teak
milky87
06-07-2012, 01:17 PM
Hopefully I have a good day today so I have big money to play with at Sandown tomorrow.
15p e/w Super Yankee + £1.10 e/w Acca
All Sandown:
2:20 Ray Of Joy - 8/1
3:25 Tropical Song - 11/1
4:00 Cai Shen - 4/1
4:35 Silken Thoughts - 5/1
5:05 Teak - 9/2
What could possibly go wrong
milky87
06-07-2012, 03:03 PM
What the f*ck was Hughes doing on Cai Shen?
milky87
06-07-2012, 03:24 PM
1f50
Just made a mistake, went to put a fiver on Silken Thoughts but have accidently put it on Tropical Beat
Gooders
06-07-2012, 03:57 PM
Yet another late non-runner in Teak.
******* trainers.
Gooders
06-07-2012, 03:59 PM
Done these for tomorrow - I'll be lucky of more than 2 of them even run:
1.30 Ivor's Princess
2.05 Night Carnation
2.40 Captain Bertie
4.20 Thimaar
And Twice Over each-way in the Eclipse.
saul1664
07-07-2012, 01:49 PM
Twice Over surely massively overpriced for the Eclipse @ 16s, a lot of question marks about the others?
LLCOOLSTEVE
07-07-2012, 02:40 PM
I'd say monterosso is overpriced
Gooders
07-07-2012, 02:42 PM
Twice Over surely massively overpriced for the Eclipse @ 16s, a lot of question marks about the others?
I thought so and I hope so but my form is completely shit - will be taking a week off betting at least after today.
cantspell
07-07-2012, 02:51 PM
Impressive Nathaniel - didn't think it would win first time out this season
pauldrulez
07-07-2012, 02:52 PM
Couldn't resist a 2nd nibble on Nathaniel this morning despite having decent ante-post odds already.
What a supreme horse, and Buick excellent yet again.
Gooders
07-07-2012, 02:53 PM
Impressive Nathaniel - didn't think it would win first time out this season
I kind of knew it would after I replaced it by going for my Cecil long-shot. :rolleyes:
Well done to those that backed it.
I'm taking a break now until summer starts and we get some proper going (and form) for the time of year.
Gooders
07-07-2012, 02:55 PM
Still, at least I actually backed each-way this time.
cantspell
07-07-2012, 03:06 PM
I think you are right Gooders
saul1664
07-07-2012, 03:23 PM
Backed it each way as well, another piece of Frankel form upheld by the winner. Shame BetFred tried to rip me off the place payout and then made a scene about it for the sake of £4.
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 03:35 PM
Impressive Nathaniel - didn't think it would win first time out this season
Gutsy win.
Saul must have been happy to see the So You Think form stand up too, through both the winner and the 2nd placed horse, or does that just mean they beat nothing?
saul1664
07-07-2012, 03:43 PM
Gutsy win.
Saul must have been happy to see the So You Think form stand up too, through both the winner and the 2nd placed horse, or does that just mean they beat nothing?
And the Frankel form too of course.
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 03:48 PM
Of course. Frankel beat him by half a length, SYT by nearly 3 lengths, as you would know.
cantspell
07-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Of course. Frankel beat him by half a length, SYT by nearly 3 lengths, as you would know.
Really shouldn't be comparing Frankel's and Nathaniel's first ever run on a racecourse as both would have progressed massively since then. Incidentally, Colour of Vision was 11th in that race
saul1664
07-07-2012, 04:02 PM
Was Frankel's debut. I think he may have improved since though.
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 04:05 PM
Really shouldn't be comparing Frankel's and Nathaniel's first ever run on a racecourse as both would have progressed massively since then. Incidentally, Colour of Vision was 11th in that race
You're telling the wrong person.
pauldrulez
07-07-2012, 04:24 PM
I kind of knew it would after I replaced it by going for my Cecil long-shot. :rolleyes:
Well done to those that backed it.
I'm taking a break now until summer starts and we get some proper going (and form) for the time of year.
I've taken a bit of a battering the last couple of weeks, Nathaniel has kept my last 2 weeks of losses down.
It seems like I get 1 winner out of every 4 Lucky 15s, and when I have 3 coupons, I have a winner or a place in each one but still lose money.
God I hate the bookies at times like this.
cantspell
07-07-2012, 04:37 PM
You're telling the wrong person.
Sorry DBS I used wrong quote, but point is valid to the person that made the original comparison
JamTheEagle
07-07-2012, 04:47 PM
Couldn't back Nathaniel without a run but did have a bet on his sister, pleased for the yard :)
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 04:47 PM
No worries, I'll leave the topic alone now, think I've made as clear a point as I can anyway.
Would like to watch more UK racing while I'm on this side of the world for a while and look forward to joining broader discussions on this thread from now on :)
JamTheEagle
07-07-2012, 04:50 PM
No worries, I'll leave the topic alone now, think I've made as clear a point as I can anyway.
Would like to watch more UK racing while I'm on this side of the world for a while and look forward to joining broader discussions on this thread from now on :)
Join us at Goodwood? :lux:
1f65
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 04:55 PM
Would love to, will start negotiations with the boss :p
LLCOOLSTEVE
07-07-2012, 04:57 PM
wife?
JamTheEagle
07-07-2012, 05:01 PM
:D
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 05:10 PM
Correct weight.
DedBallSpeshlst
07-07-2012, 05:13 PM
Forgot to ask, what's the plan?
LLCOOLSTEVE
07-07-2012, 05:14 PM
She isnt putting up 5lb over then?
LLCOOLSTEVE
07-07-2012, 05:14 PM
So many possibilities.... did the bit slip in her mouth?
Gooders
09-07-2012, 06:16 AM
Is it me or has there been a big increase in the number of horses carrying big weights in handicaps this season? You used to see the odd top weight carrying 10st and maybe one or two humping 9st 11lbs or whatever but recently it seems that half the field are carrying 9st 10lbs or above in a lot of races.
Has something changed in the way these handicaps are framed?
JamTheEagle
09-07-2012, 10:59 AM
Took the 13/2 about Excelebration for the July Cup - it will be Soft come Saturday and he should never be that price, granted it is the 'lads' and he might not run but I think he will. Shortened with Ladbrokes into 11/2 which must be significant.
Finbar
09-07-2012, 11:40 AM
Non runner?
cantspell
09-07-2012, 11:53 AM
Is it me or has there been a big increase in the number of horses carrying big weights in handicaps this season? You used to see the odd top weight carrying 10st and maybe one or two humping 9st 11lbs or whatever but recently it seems that half the field are carrying 9st 10lbs or above in a lot of races.
Has something changed in the way these handicaps are framed? Not sure also seem to be less running at lower weights- only in the Nortumberland plate have I seen below 8st, although with nurseries just starting I think we we will see more.
Also, I have seen handicaps with plenty of runners where there is only 8lb between the top and bottom weights
JamTheEagle
09-07-2012, 11:58 AM
Non runner?
Looks that way :rolleyes:
milky87
09-07-2012, 01:33 PM
Just had a double with Head Space and Megamunch and I have no idea what happened to Head Space, he was just about to get his head in front on the line and he seemed to trip over
Gooders
09-07-2012, 02:04 PM
Just had a double with Head Space and Megamunch and I have no idea what happened to Head Space, he was just about to get his head in front on the line and he seemed to trip over
He dug his toes into the turf on the line. Last time out he jumped the winning line. Unlucky matey. :(
Gooders
09-07-2012, 02:11 PM
Not sure also seem to be less running at lower weights- only in the Nortumberland plate have I seen below 8st, although with nurseries just starting I think we we will see more.
Also, I have seen handicaps with plenty of runners where there is only 8lb between the top and bottom weights
For example:
1(4) 534457 Dubai Dynamo Weight: 10-0
2(2) 510062 Al Muheer (IRE) Weight: 9-13
3(8) 1425-60 Beaumont's Party (IRE) Weight: 9-13
4(1) 72244 Honeymead (IRE) Weight: 9-11
5(5) 00-0920 Snow Bay Weight: 9-9
6(7) 805-225 Sam Sharp (USA) Weight: 9-8
7(6) 300810 Miami Gator (IRE) 9-5
8(3) 48-3512 Satanic Beat (IRE) Weight: 8-11
9(9) 549-830 Koo And The Gang (IRE) Weight 8-11
Lowest weight 8-11 and most of the field lumping big weights. I realise that the ratings determine which horse carries what weight but it just seems to me that there's a trend whereby more horses are carrying weights towards the higher end of the scale,
Beckenham Boy
10-07-2012, 12:09 PM
After the years of following, and recommending on here, my mate Steph's Greyhounds (Boolavogue and Jazz Apollo), I'm finally taking the plunge and joining a syndicate buying one of Jazz Apollo's pups.
She will be based down at Hove and likely to run around 3 times a week.
I'll keep you informed of name and progress as soon as I can and if she's worth backing.
EDIT: Just found out her name is JAZZ DIAMOND. Pop her name into www.Greyhound-data.com for details. She is just coming into season so nothing happening for the next 12 weeks but I'll be back in touch when I know more
LLCOOLSTEVE
10-07-2012, 03:35 PM
One at a price in the next at wolves, Synphonic Air, ew 16/1 ish
ChickenDipper
10-07-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm off to Newbury on saturday so any tips are welcomed :)
Gooders
10-07-2012, 04:05 PM
1. Don't set out too early
2. Take an umbrella
3. And some wellies
Gooders
11-07-2012, 12:47 PM
Just had £1 each-way on a 100/1 winner at Portman Park. :)
Beckenham Boy
11-07-2012, 01:27 PM
Massive Tip: Moulin De La Croix WILL WIN if it clears all the hurdles in the 9.10 at Worcester today
;)
(it's the only runner....) :hi:
Gooders
11-07-2012, 02:17 PM
Finally - some decent racing at Newmarket tomorrow and with any luck, something other than heavy going too.
1a1f
Gooders
11-07-2012, 07:48 PM
I've abstained from the real stuff so far this week and just splashed a few quid on virtual racing longshots instead. So far this week I've had placed horses at 33/1, 33/1, 100/1 and 100/1 and today as I said earlier I had a 100/1 winner. I might stick with Portman Park and Steepledowns at this rate. :)
That said, I fancy a few tomorrow so I might have a go on these:
Newm 1.50 Sir Prancealot
Newm 3.00 Red Cadaeux
Donc 5.25 Dr Red Eye
Warw 2.50 Dutch Rose
Gooders
11-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Treble for Bin Suroor at Kempton tonight I see. Has the corner been turned?
LLCOOLSTEVE
11-07-2012, 08:07 PM
Never had a corner to turn ;) but in all honesty 2 of them were expected to win well enough anyways
10 winners in last 14 days for him i think, few 2nds too
JamTheEagle
11-07-2012, 08:11 PM
Treble for Bin Suroor at Kempton tonight I see. Has the corner been turned?
Always thought he was a better AW trainer in fairness.
JamTheEagle
11-07-2012, 08:17 PM
Very sweet on Greek War @ 8/1 in the 14:25 at Newmarket tomorrow. Soft ground shouldn't be a problem.
ANTEAGLE
12-07-2012, 09:57 AM
Anyone got any tips for Newbury on Saturday? My sister is going.
ChickenDipper
12-07-2012, 09:57 AM
L15 today
Nabucco
Collincas lad
Mukhdram
Philipstown
Gooders
12-07-2012, 10:27 AM
Anyone got any tips for Newbury on Saturday? My sister is going.
ChickenDipper is going too.
I'll have a look tomorrow and then at least you'll have a note of which horses not to back. :p
ANTEAGLE
12-07-2012, 10:36 AM
ChickenDipper is going too.
I'll have a look tomorrow and then at least you'll have a note of which horses not to back. :p
Cheers Gooders
ChickenDipper
12-07-2012, 10:45 AM
oooohhh tell her to wear something so that i recognise her :)
I doubt it will be on with all this rain. Has it been heavy rain down your way Gooders?
Gooders
12-07-2012, 10:54 AM
lol - my first Steepledowns pick of today won at 33/1. :lux:
Gooders
12-07-2012, 10:55 AM
oooohhh tell her to wear something so that i recognise her :)
I doubt it will be on with all this rain. Has it been heavy rain down your way Gooders?
Nah, it's intermittent - you might be ok as it's due to ease over the weekend - depends how much we get tomorrow when it's threatened to be the heaviest of the week.
ChickenDipper
12-07-2012, 11:00 AM
lol - my first Steepledowns pick of today won at 33/1. :lux:
Can you share these? :afro:
Gooders
12-07-2012, 11:03 AM
Can you share these? :afro:
Nope - it's a computer system - if I share them and you lot back them, they won't win. :p
Gooders
12-07-2012, 12:41 PM
Another 33/1 shot placed at Steepledowns.
milky87
12-07-2012, 02:04 PM
F*cking Ryan Moore, I backed him in the 1st 2 races and didn't back him in the last 2 races :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob:
Gooders
12-07-2012, 02:23 PM
My first venture into real racing for a few days and as usual, the results are all over the feckin' place.
Thank gawd for virtual racing.
Gooders
12-07-2012, 02:27 PM
Fiorente, for example, has just had a nearly 15-length turnaround with Red Cadeaux from their last run.
What chance have you got?
milky87
12-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Red Cadeaux is who I was on
Oh well chalk it up with the rest of em.
Richard Hughes in the next
ChickenDipper
12-07-2012, 03:30 PM
Ryan Moore is a woeful rider. If i see him on a horse, i look away very quickly. He is so unpredictable
LLCOOLSTEVE
12-07-2012, 05:33 PM
er....
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