Crewe fans upset about £30 ticket for Palace [Archive]

GreatGonzo

06-04-2006, 01:06 PM

The article is pretty m,uch spot on apart from the AA error.

SJ has stated in the observer previously that this game would be £20 and it has be re-classified as a catagory A for no reason than to try and get more money!

I currently have to go to only 7 matches (at £30) to justify my ST (for most i guess it is 10) and in a 23 match season that is ridiculous!

Igor Iconic

06-04-2006, 01:08 PM

I am quite sure when Crewe find themselves on the verge of exstinction after falling into the nether regions of the league, and the much lauded Dario Gradi is found to be unable to perform the miracles he has so often in the past, they will be very pleased to have their own arrogant sugar daddy to bail them out and sound off about others in the game. I can appreciate their anger at paying high prices but given the opportunity I am sure all chairmen would milk as much money as they can from supporters. That's the economics of league football.

Gooders

06-04-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by CHE
Most of the comments are fair, Jordan's maths don't add up on this, particularly if he did say it would £20.00 for Palace v Crewe.

Even if he didn't Selhurst is a disgrace, the Arthur in particular, and to charge £30.00 to sit there is little short of a scandal.

Spot on.

Dorking .Eagle

06-04-2006, 02:38 PM

We have had £20 "Cat C" games this season

Crewe fans should not expect to be "Cat C" (or the cheapest price tickets) everywhere they play.

We had it last season when we were the minnows of the Prem - most weeks we were the lowest grade of opposition, hence £21 at Villa and Man City away.

But you cannot complain, when Norwich and Pompey made us "Cat A" opposition and charges us full whack. It's just one of those things.

At least Crewe fans only have to pay it once, for Palace fans it's been the last 7 home games of the season.

Even Br*ghton moaned when they had to pay "Grade A" prices, yet by turning up in their numbers acknowledged it was their "cup final".

And Charlton fans moaning last season about £35 - the same price that Palace fans had to pay ALL SEASON, indeed for the Charlton game, Palace fans had to also buy a ticket for another match just for the privaledge of a Charlton ticket, doubling the outlay.

Yes it's a bit of a rip off, but you have to have a thick skin. Ultimately we are saddled with high ticket prices in this League because SJ set the Season ticket prices in November '05 which culminated in a £600 Main Stand S/T, or £26 a game, and similar top prices for S/T's bought in May 06.. It isn't fair to undercut that price paid per game on a match by match basis.

David Amsalem

08-04-2006, 04:10 PM

Good. What they deserve.

Thing is, all the money they have saved as they have been our joke team for numerous seasons by offering stuff like "Kids For A Quid" and stuff. It just evens out.

(I don't like Crewe... ;) )

Billyd

09-04-2006, 12:16 AM

the crewe fan has a point shame he has to lie to get his point across though

Tom's Old Man

09-04-2006, 08:40 AM

20df

£30 for Palace v Crewe, complete rip off.
Value for money, what a joke.

mik59

09-04-2006, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by CHE
Selhurst is a disgrace, the Arthur in particular, and to charge £30.00 to sit there is little short of a scandal. While the state of the ground especially the AW is poor, there's no connection between that fact and the need to cover game costs which don't reduce just because a stand is badly in need of refurbishment.

CP Satellite

09-04-2006, 01:48 PM

Well worth the £30! This is now, in light of Crewe's recent results a "sh!t or bust game" - win...and they can still stay up - lose and it's down with Millwall and Brighton.

£30 not bad for a Cup Final ticket!

OK. Ok...I'm taking the p...But...I would pay the money to watch Palace in a similar position....if you love your Club, you pay the money and are entitled to moan....

Sorry Crewe fans - we have "issuses" with pricing at Palace too....and the way certain things are done are "commercially" ......our "Away Travel" is nothing short of farcical..so we have a degree of sympathy, but we have been on the receiving end of some ridiculous away prices too.

At least there will be plenty of room in your end, so you should'nt have any trouble seeing the match.

GDP

09-04-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Tom's Old Man
£30 for Palace v Crewe, complete rip off.
Value for money, what a joke.

This about sums it up for me. How many Palace/Crewe fans are gonna be there paying this price?? Not many more than a few hundred i would expect.

Stockport_Eagle

09-04-2006, 02:47 PM

Pay up or shut up and stay at home. £20 is still too much for 1.5 hours potential entertainment. An extra £10 on a £100 day hardly makes a world of difference.

cpfc4ever

09-04-2006, 02:57 PM

its far to expensive, if I didnt have a season ticket I wouldnt pay it

cpfc4ever

09-04-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by GDP
This about sums it up for me. How many Palace/Crewe fans are gonna be there paying this price?? Not many more than a few hundred i would expect.

Exactly but theyll fill the stands with free tickets, did it for Ipswich

Kirby

10-04-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by DaveTuttles
They should have sold us Dean Ashton then the twats.

:p

Clapham Grand

11-04-2006, 12:16 PM

Crewe supporters trust now launched campaign to reduce price - using SJ's Observer £20 quote as a source of inspiration

MATTY THE EAGLE

11-04-2006, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Kirby
:p

:rolleyes:

So when we play say West Ham or Blues next and they charge us alot, there fans can say it's because we did not sell them AJ? Grow Up.

nellis

11-04-2006, 12:45 PM

We live in a capitalist world and I am a capitalist girl!

Demand/Supply sets price.

Get with the programme (or move to North Korea).

:afro:

empee

11-04-2006, 02:01 PM

The Crewe-ISA have issued a press release regarding the above & an article written in the Observer on the 2nd Oct 05.
To read the full news release, you can find it on the PISA website @
www.palace-isa.co.uk.

Dorking .Eagle

11-04-2006, 03:56 PM

Nice PISA website Mervyn. Cannot say I agree with the Crewe fans though - when Jordan wrote his Observer article, he used Crewe being £20 as an indicitive example only, not a statement of fact. Since the article was written, the price for the Crewe game was set and the key factor at the time that the price for the game was set was that Palace were chasing automatic promotion (indeed, had we beaten Derby and Leicester, which on League position we should have then we would currently be in a strong position to attain automatic promotion on the final day of the season)

Not all supporters of both clubs are in "total agreement on this issue" (I acknowledge these are the words of the Crewe fan), as this thread suggests - many acknowledge that running a Championship club with a couple of Premiership wage players means higher running costs, and accept that the fans have to pay some of that.

My personal take is that Crewe fans seem to think thatjust because they are the small fry of this Division entitles them to pay "Cat C" prices wherever they play. It doesn't always work like that, and just as Brighton and Millwall (the other two bottom 3 teams) were deemed to be "Cat A" matches at Selhurst, due to the marketability of their fixtures, so must the Crewe game be.

Just because Palace were the unfashionable small fry of the Premiership last season, didn't stop us being classed as a "Cat A" game on our travels at Norwich and Pompey last season, so fans of all clubs must be prepared to take the rough with the smooth sometimes - after all, it is life that teams like Arsenal are Cat A wherever they play, but their supporters have to accept that.

screamingalice

11-04-2006, 04:02 PM

No matter how you view Crewe or the article. The simple fact is that football is fast pricing itself out of the reach of the average fan. The game is also turning its back on the young fan's who are its life blood for the future.

Of course even with the massive injection of TV money in recent years, the cost's of improving stadiums (one cost missing from CPFC's books at present) and ever growing transfer and wages fees for players and coaches in the past fifteen years means that the TV money is in danger of being squandered and the supporters will have to bear the cost.

Of course a players career is a short one and as entertainers they should be well paid, but like all industry's there is a limit to what the game can afford, or rather the punters pay. Or in the end are clubs happy to see half empty stadiums, and live on the TV money that keeps the armchair fan happy?

Gazza2

12-04-2006, 08:15 AM

Palace's attendances are as healthy as they have been for years in this division. I remember when 8,500 was a big crowd and 6,800 an average one in the 1980's. Obviously, this is partly due to the fact that season tickets are good value. We are averaging about 19.5k and yet there are 12 other clubs in our division with higher averages than us. So I would argue that the clubs are not pricing out fans.

Bungalow

12-04-2006, 08:27 AM

Have to say I have some sympathy for the Crewe fan but on the whole the SJ pricing policy does not seem to be keeping fans away. However, I will be very interested to see the size of this saturdays crowd if it is a Category A game. We are as near as certainly in the play offs and Crewe is not exactly a plum fixture so the casual supporters are likely to stay away.

Surely this would have been a good game for the kids for £1 thing?

The best bit of the article for me was the thought that all Palace fans love Jordan.

Pinkie Brown

12-04-2006, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Bungalow
Surely this would have been a good game for the kids for £1 thing?

Originally it was down to be a 'family fun day' but they changed their minds and now Cat A!

12-04-2006, 10:18 AM

Lets be honest it's more catagory A for Crewe than for us now.

Gooders

12-04-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Bungalow
Have to say I have some sympathy for the Crewe fan but on the whole the SJ pricing policy does not seem to be keeping fans away. However, I will be very interested to see the size of this saturdays crowd if it is a Category A game.

It'll be quite a big crowd because of all the "£10 for charity" tickets that have once again been distributed to local businesses/sponsors.

Son of Ron

12-04-2006, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Stockport_Eagle
"potential entertainment"

like the use of the word potential !!

Granada allover

12-04-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Gooders
It'll be quite a big crowd because of all the "£10 for charity" tickets that have once again been distributed to local businesses/sponsors.

And thank God I have three of those, or t' trip down from St 'elens would be monstrously expensive.

Crewe is my favourite ground in these parts and I hope they survive - but not at our expense on Saturday.

redandblue

12-04-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Son of Ron
like the use of the word potential !!

yes where possible would be a better choice of words

charltonhater

12-04-2006, 11:48 AM

Last week it was £25 to sit in the directors box to watch footballing legends such as Geoff Thomas, Ian Wright, Mark Hughes and Brian Robson play. On Saturday it's going to be £30 to watch a piss poor Palace side embarass themselves against Crewe, while sitting on a crummy wooden sit behind a pillar.

Hmmm.

100% Palace

12-04-2006, 06:10 PM

Wonder if their local papers are full of letters along the lines of Shop A is a disgrace as it wanted 70p for a loaf of bread but I only want to pay 45p?

Another way of looking at it is, would we get sympathy from the rest of the football world were we to get to the Play-Off Final, then start issuing press releases etc saying that we only think we should pay £20 for tickets cos thats all we feel its worth? Would we f**k! We'd be laughed at from all angles.

At the end of the day, if they dont like it, stay at home. It is not up to CAFC to say what prices CPFC should charge. Anyway, at least they are being charged the same as the home fans, unlike Coventry away this season.

aj4england

12-04-2006, 09:29 PM

wouldnt you be???

Paul Romain

13-04-2006, 10:16 AM

I would also take exception to the Crewe press statement assertion that both sets of fans are in total agreement - I'm not. £30 is comparable to an evening out for a meal and drinks, its comparable to a couple of hours at the theatre, or a couple of hours at a decent quality concert. Nobody is twisting their arms to turn up. If they don't like it they can stay at home.

BaldEagle96

13-04-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
£30 is comparable to an evening out for a meal and drinks, its comparable to a couple of hours at the theatre,

Lucky to get tickets for less than £40 now for the theatre..... Football is cheap compared to a show in the West End.

stevek

13-04-2006, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by BaldEagle96
Lucky to get tickets for less than £40 now for the theatre..... Football is cheap compared to a show in the West End.

Though arguably Palace v Crewe is more like a show at the Seacombe Theatre than a West End show.

Paul Romain

13-04-2006, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by stevek
Though arguably Palace v Crewe is more like a show at the Seacombe Theatre than a West End show.

Hardly, it's still a match at the second highest level of English football, involving interest at the top and bottom of the table.

Crewe fans do their team a disservice as well by implying they're not worth the money to watch, just because of who they are. I would rather watch their team play than some of the teams who come here and shut up shop for 90 minutes. Dario Gradi's teams have always played attractive attacking football, generally have some good young prospects in the side who invariably go on to much better things - and overall I would have said are likely to make the match well worth the entrance money

Kevan Woz Awful

13-04-2006, 11:35 AM

As a matter of Interest does anyone know how much they charged our fans to watch Crewe at the Alexandra Stadium last October?

100% Palace

13-04-2006, 12:51 PM

£18 i think.

eagle mart

13-04-2006, 12:53 PM

In all fairness, to use the ticket price as an excuse not to go shows that they are just looking for an excuse.

Bit like Charlton last year, realised they that their shabby away support was going to let them down and tried to mask it as some sort of boycott.

will hung

13-04-2006, 01:09 PM

I have sympathy with crewe fans on this one - £30 to see second grade football is a rip-off. Many Palace fans have been priced out of going as a look at the average attendances table will show. Still as someone previously said its a capitalist issue and no-one has to go if they don't want to just don't be surprised when many vote with their feet

cdm61

13-04-2006, 01:23 PM

£30 is an absolute steal to come to Selhurst and they get a trip to Sarf London on top, bargain really....

Paul Romain

13-04-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by will hung
Many Palace fans have been priced out of going as a look at the average attendances table will show.

Not sure how you work that out when our average crowds have been rising year on year virtually non stop since the early 80s - taking out variations for years in Premiership (and the same effect has been seen when taking the top flight years in isolation.) Season ticket sales also show the same steady increase

eagle mart

13-04-2006, 01:24 PM

This is taking it a little too far. I suggest these no-marks are paid a visit. They even start on AJ.

http://crewealexandra.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=907&p=2&stid=8408522

Gooders

13-04-2006, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
Not sure how you work that out when our average crowds have been rising year on year virtually non stop since the early 80s - taking out variations for years in Premiership (and the same effect has been seen when taking the top flight years in isolation.) Season ticket sales also show the same steady increase

Herd mentality? Fear of missing out?

Furthermore, most Palace fans pay considerably less than £30 per game for their tickets. Once season ticket prices go over £20-£25 per game, the numbers will start to decline, IMHO. It simply isn't value for money.

As I've posted countless times, when I started going to football it was the same price as a trip to the cinema - now it's 4 or 5 times as much.

Baron Greenback

13-04-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by eagle mart
This is taking it a little too far. I suggest these no-marks are paid a visit. They even start on AJ.

http://crewealexandra.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=907&p=2&stid=8408522

God, I hope AJ scores a hat-trick on Saturday.

kestoneagle

13-04-2006, 01:51 PM

The increased price is to cover the cost of laying on soooo much fog for their previous trip to SP.

Paul Romain

13-04-2006, 01:56 PM

Chocky

13-04-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Baron Greenback
God, I hope AJ scores a hat-trick on Saturday.

And then runs over and pisses on the brain dead northern c*nt that wrote it, then wipes his arse on his scarf.

sexyrazor

13-04-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Chocky
And then runs over and pisses on the brain dead northern c*nt that wrote it, then wipes his arse on his scarf.

:lux: :lux:

Brett

13-04-2006, 04:22 PM

I'm with Simon Jordan here. He made an off-the-cuff comment in an interview and used Crewe as an example.

AFAIK, the price for the Crewe game was never set in stone at £20 so the "downgrading to it's previously advertised price" argument is moronic. And that's being kind.

I don't agree with the price but their argument is completely incorrect and makes them look a bit small town, to be honest.

kolinkins

13-04-2006, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Gooders

As I've posted countless times, when I started going to football it was the same price as a trip to the cinema - now it's 4 or 5 times as much.

Been to the cinema in London recently! :eek:

kolinkins

13-04-2006, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Brett
I'm with Simon Jordan here. He made an off-the-cuff comment in an interview and used Crewe as an example.

AFAIK, the price for the Crewe game was never set in stone at £20 so the "downgrading to it's previously advertised price" argument is moronic. And that's being kind.

I don't agree with the price but their argument is completely incorrect and makes them look a bit small town, to be honest.

They are a small town nothing club. Would even rather they go down than Millwall or Brighton. Hope we can contribute to it at the weekend!

Gooders

13-04-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by kolinkins
Been to the cinema in London recently! :eek:

I don't go to those kind of cinemas.

Any more.

Don't worry, your secret is safe with me klinx. :p

LeeH

13-04-2006, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain
I would also take exception to the Crewe press statement assertion that both sets of fans are in total agreement - I'm not. £30 is comparable to an evening out for a meal and drinks, its comparable to a couple of hours at the theatre, or a couple of hours at a decent quality concert. Nobody is twisting their arms to turn up. If they don't like it they can stay at home.
I see your point but when you think that last season it was cheaper to see Palace play Man U at Old Trafford, then it kinda puts things into perspective.

eagles #1

14-04-2006, 11:14 AM

"I can guarantee he won't score on Saturday. Over-rated.- AJ"

Oh pleeeeaaaase score a couple tomorrow AJ.

14-04-2006, 11:17 AM

1d76

All away fans (and non season ticket holding home fans) have had to pay between £30-35 this season, Crewe are no different. They have latched on to a throw away remark from Jordan in his newspaper column as if it was a set in stone pledge, which it wasn't. Noone has got in for £20 this season. I agree that it's expensive but it's the same for everyone.

Who are Crewe anyway, they seem completely pointless? Basically a youth team with a youth team manager who failed at Palace yet who felt he had the right to critisise SJ and Palace not so long ago. I will be supirsed if they manage to bring 500 down.

TN16_Eagle

14-04-2006, 11:26 AM

Andy Johnson - Maybe I've missed something over the past couple of years, I don't know, but why is Andy Johnson so highly rated by the press? He's rubbish. The vast majority of his goals have come, and still do come, when he dramatically, and acrobatically, falls to the ground like a leaping salmon following the slightest touch by a defender's little finger. He is currently, by far, the worst diver in the English game, making a slight mockery of the argument that diving is a foreign import.

Not only is he a well-known cheat, but he isn't even that good of a footballer. He scores very few goals from open play, has a poor finish, a bad touch and an amazing knack for always being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To be brutally honest, I'd put him up there with the Carlton Palmers of this world in the 'How did you ever play for England' category. Distinctly average, with a head resembling a perfect spherical bowling ball, there are far, far more strikers with much more quality around..I can guarantee he won't score on Saturday. Over-rated.

Brett

14-04-2006, 12:23 PM

To that Alex fan - I know AJ shit all over your pathetic tin-pot team at Gresty Road in our last promotion season but pur-lease, move on. Bitterness is a horrible 'quality' to have.

BALDYEAGLE

14-04-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by LP
All away fans (and non season ticket holding home fans) have had to pay between £30-35 this season, Crewe are no different. They have latched on to a throw away remark from Jordan in his newspaper column as if it was a set in stone pledge, which it wasn't. Noone has got in for £20 this season. I agree that it's expensive but it's the same for everyone.

Who are Crewe anyway, they seem completely pointless? Basically a youth team with a youth team manager who failed at Palace yet who felt he had the right to critisise SJ and Palace not so long ago. I will be supirsed if they manage to bring 500 down.

hull, leicester and sheffield wednesday fans only paid £20 cat C games

palace & proud

14-04-2006, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by eagles #1
"I can guarantee he won't score on Saturday. Over-rated.- AJ"

Oh pleeeeaaaase score a couple tomorrow AJ.

A Hat-Trick would be nice :D

will hung

14-04-2006, 10:46 PM

The posters who slag off Crewe Alex obviously don't know their football -it could be argued that what Gradi has done that at that club is remarkable - in the 70s they were always at the bottom of Div 4 with a rundown stadium and no money, but by implementing a brilliant youth system Gradi has developed the club into what it is today.

In an era where money shouts it's refreshing that a club such as Crewe can prosper by being well-managed, well-run and play decent football. I hope they say-up

Neil the Eagle

15-04-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by will hung
in the 70s they were always at the bottom of Div 4 with a rundown stadium and no money, but by implementing a brilliant youth system Gradi has developed the club into what it is today.

Bottom of "Div 2" with a rundown stadium and no money to truly compete in the transfer market, not least because Gradi's contract means he takes a big cut of all outgoing transfer fees and sell-ons.

Originally posted by will hung
In an era where money shouts it's refreshing that a club such as Crewe can prosper by being well-managed, well-run and play decent football.

I applaud the sentiment, although from what I've seen Crewe's football is a long way from being 'decent', this season.

GreatGonzo

15-04-2006, 12:34 AM

Crewe fans are 50:50 on Gradi getting the sack!

Neil the Eagle

15-04-2006, 12:53 AM

Because of performances or unrest about that contract clause that recently came to light after Ashton moved to Wham?

Jack Regan

26-04-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Because of performances or unrest about that contract clause that recently came to light after Ashton moved to Wham?

Venables had a similar clause under the contract Goldberg gave him.

Crewe fans would be better advised directing their anger at the chairman that gave Gradi the contract in the first place - it's obvious that he just wants Crewe to be ticking over as a feeder club.

It doesn't even matter to their business plan that they've been relegated.

No ambition whatsoever.

Bens Jamin

26-04-2006, 11:08 AM

Crewe will never have a player as good as AJ, EVER!! Never have never will, to be honest now I bet they'd bite our hand off for Macken! Nothing club going nowhere but down, you've gotta laugh at the losers!

26-04-2006, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Bens Jamin
Crewe will never have a player as good as AJ, EVER!! Never have never will, to be honest now I bet they'd bite our hand off for Macken! Nothing club going nowhere but down, you've gotta laugh at the losers!

Geoff Thomas, Danny Murphy, Rob Jones, David Platt, Dean Ashton-they've had their fair share of decent players over the years lets be honest.