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Stigma
19-05-2006, 09:25 AM
Germany ‘06 special. Show the BBS who the best World cup punter is! Don’t delay join today..

We are for the most parts following the regular BM rules, but with a few changes:

First of all group stages. Seeing as there will probably be about 15-20 people joining I feel that 4 groups would be needed. The winner from each group going through to the next round in Semi-final head to head style.

Each contestant gets picked (by random) one of the national teams competing in the World cup 2006. And then they have to do 5 bets related to there team (can bet against them and so on). Shouldn’t be a problem finding bets as there will be 50+ bets possible to do on any one game in the World cup.

The first round should go from 01-23 of June (seeing as by that date all teams have played all of there 3 group games). Total number of bets in the first round:
25 (20 regular, 5 based on your team).
Semi-finals from 24-30: 15 bets
Final: 01-09: 15 bets

You can’t bet on anything happening before the 01 of June..but you can join today. Just post a remark on this thread and you will be given a national team (by random). Groups will be drawn just before the World Cup kick-off.

jamesyg0
19-05-2006, 10:01 AM
Im in sounds good :D


Just to clear it up would it be 5 bets through the group stages. So 2 bets on one match is alrite? Can we go over 5?

hakers
19-05-2006, 10:10 AM
I'll have a go. Am shit at football betting though but will be a laugh!

Stigma
19-05-2006, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by jamesyg0
Im in sounds good :D

Just to clear it up would it be 5 bets through the group stages. So 2 bets on one match is alrite? Can we go over 5?

Yeah, 5 bets through the group stages. But the bets can't be the same. You can for example bet on Brazil winning and the game being over, or goal scorer, handicap and so on. Won't be a problem finding bets.

All "rules" are still negotiable. You can bet all of your 25 bets in the first round on the WC if you want. But 5 of those bets needs to be on your teams games.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Stigma
Germany ‘06 special. Show the BBS who the best World cup punter is! Don’t delay join today..

You can’t bet on anything happening before the 01 of June..but you can join today. Just post a remark on this thread and you will be given a national team (by random). Groups will be drawn just before the World Cup kick-off.

First couple of national teams:

jamesyg0: Iran
hakers: Italy

The draw was done by random, so just a coincidence that two teams starting with the letter I got drawn..
Now who want's the Ivory Coast:o

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 11:13 AM
How are you doing this draw Stig? As jamesygo scuttles off to get his Playfair Iranian League 05/06 handbook....

I'm in,

may have a problem playing a full role as I'm away (and likely to be without computer access) later in the month.

If I get Togo Stig you're a dead man ;)

paf
19-05-2006, 11:18 AM
I'm in, excellent idea.

si1965
19-05-2006, 11:27 AM
Me too. :p

andy1905
19-05-2006, 11:36 AM
will give it go

Stigma
19-05-2006, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
How are you doing this draw Stig? As jamesygo scuttles off to get his Playfair Iranian League 05/06 handbook....

I'm in,

may have a problem playing a full role as I'm away (and likely to be without computer access) later in the month.

If I get Togo Stig you're a dead man ;)

Actually I have just put the teams up in an excel book, randomized them (not alphabetically) and just put numbers 1 to 32 on them. And then I get someone else in the office to say a couple of numbers. He doesn’t know what it is for, but he doesn’t mind..good chap:)

JCM: Poland
paf: Ukraine
si1965: Argentina
andy1905: Japan

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 11:48 AM
Poland, eh.

Dzien dobry, Prosze jeden pivo.
Chce mi sie siusiu.

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 11:56 AM
Actually i will probably be using phrase more like

Nie wierze w to :veryangry:
Baldman Blake- Nie wierz jej :bash:

Niewazne :(

Thats just about exhausted all my polish knowledge, I do know how to ask for a return train ticket but I'll save that for later :clown:

Gav The Hamster
19-05-2006, 11:59 AM
i ll give this a go Stig.

LLCOOLSTEVE
19-05-2006, 12:04 PM
Im in, be nice.

Finbar
19-05-2006, 12:06 PM
I'm in Stig

Stigma
19-05-2006, 12:47 PM
Next batch of teams then:

Gav The Hamster: Ecuador
LLCOOLSTEVE: Sweden
Finbar: Australia

Ooohh Australia..:cool:

LLCOOLSTEVE
19-05-2006, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Next batch of teams then:

Gav The Hamster: Ecuador
LLCOOLSTEVE: Sweden
Finbar: Australia

Ooohh Australia..:cool:

i dont really dislike Norway ya know!! you didnt have to give me Sweden!! :D

ozeagle
19-05-2006, 01:12 PM
ok, the real Master will come out of retirement for this.
i'm in.
:)

Drunk eagle
19-05-2006, 01:55 PM
I'M IN :)

Gooders
19-05-2006, 02:01 PM
I'm in. :p

si1965
19-05-2006, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
si1965: Argentina


At least I'll have the 'Hand of God' guiding my bets :D

richdeniro
19-05-2006, 02:18 PM
I'm in

Stigma
19-05-2006, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
i dont really dislike Norway ya know!! you didnt have to give me Sweden!! :D

:o

Stigma
19-05-2006, 02:49 PM
Draw:
Ozeagle - England (!)
Drunk eagle - Holland
Gooders - Portugal
richdeniro - Switzerland

Funk Butter
19-05-2006, 02:50 PM
I'm in, yo.

Funk Butter
19-05-2006, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Draw:
Ozeagle - England (!)

HA! :D :D :sob: :D

Stigma
19-05-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
I'm in, yo.

Mexico for you mate:p

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 02:55 PM
Gotta be happy with that Funk.

What about you Stig who have you got?

Stigma
19-05-2006, 02:59 PM
Ehh, well let's see...

Costa Rica...Central America's jewel:)

Stigma
19-05-2006, 03:01 PM
15 people have joined already:

jamesyg0: Iran
hakers: Italy
Jim Cannons Moustache: Poland
paf: Ukraine
si1965: Argentina
andy1905: Japan
Gav The Hamster: Ecuador
LLCOOLSTEVE: Sweden
Finbar: Australia
Ozeagle: England
Drunk eagle: Holland
Gooders: Portugal
richdeniro: Switzerland
Funk Butter: Mexico
Stigma: Costa Rica

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 03:01 PM
Pah! Must be fixed, everybody wanted Costa Rica!!







maybe not.
:moo:

Stigma
19-05-2006, 03:04 PM
Yeah, well would have felt a bit strange if I’d gotten Brazil or something like that:cool:

Finbar
19-05-2006, 03:05 PM
Australia!!?

My better half will be chuffed with that....(aussie born and bred) :p

citizen sane
19-05-2006, 03:08 PM
I'm in .

Stigma
19-05-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
I'm in .

Serbia & Montenegro...tricky team that!

ozeagle
19-05-2006, 03:30 PM
how do i get 5 bets out of a side that will go LOSS, LOSS, LOSS?

citizen sane
19-05-2006, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Serbia & Montenegro...tricky team that!

I'm quite happy with them .

Are IR bets allowed in this ?

citizen sane
19-05-2006, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by ozeagle
how do i get 5 bets out of a side that will go LOSS, LOSS, LOSS?

I thought you'd drawn England not Australia ? :)

el mico
19-05-2006, 03:42 PM
This sounds good stig, i'm in

Funk Butter
19-05-2006, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Draw:
Ozeagle - England (!)

HA! :D :D :sob: :D

Funk Butter
19-05-2006, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Mexico for you mate:p
WTF!?!?!?! This ain't random dude. I take back that last post about Oz.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
I'm quite happy with them .

Are IR bets allowed in this ?

Yeah, can't see why not.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by el mico
This sounds good stig, i'm in

Angola

As the footballing experts at Lonely planet says:
Don't underestimate this Sub-Saharan giant or its people. Angolans are unshockable, resilient and resourceful. Angola stands on the cusp of a spectacular recovery

el mico
19-05-2006, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Angola

As the footballing experts at Lonely planet says:
Don't underestimate this Sub-Saharan giant or its people. Angolans are unshockable, resilient and resourceful. Angola stands on the cusp of a spectacular recovery

LP talks a load of bollox (as usual ;) )

That's a shocking draw......:hmph:

Chester
19-05-2006, 04:05 PM
Im in

Stigma
19-05-2006, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
WTF!?!?!?! This ain't random dude. I take back that last post about Oz.

What!? Did you want the USA or something?

It is random btw guys..Thomas (my work colleague who picked the numbers earlier) have been substituted with my mom actually (for the time being), so be nice!:D

Funk Butter
19-05-2006, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
What!? Did you want the USA or something?

It is random btw guys..Thomas (my work colleague who picked the numbers earlier) have been substituted with my mom actually (for the time being), so be nice!:D
Damn, oh well. Its not like they have a hard group or anything. WIN, WIN, DRAW.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Chester
Im in

A fairytale land rushing headlong to modernity...it could only be:

Czech Republic

si1965
19-05-2006, 04:45 PM
Some of these groups are going to be tough...

Group A
Germany
Costa Rica
Jim Cannons Moustache (Poland)
Gav The Hamster (Ecuador)

Group B
Ozeagle (England)
Paraguay
Trinidad & Tobago
LLCOOLSTEVE (Sweden)

Group C
si1965 (Argentina)
Citizen sane (Serbia & Montenegro)
Drunk eagle (Holland)
Ivory Coast

Group D
Funk Butter (Mexico)
jamesyg0 (Iran)
el mico (Angola)
Gooders (Portugal)

Group E
Usa
Chester (Czech Republic)
hakers (Italy)
Ghana

Group F
Finbar (Australia)
andy1905 (Japan)
Brazil
Croatia

Group G
South Korea
Togo
France
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Group H
Spain
paf (Ukraine)
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia

citizen sane
19-05-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by si1965
Some of these groups are going to be tough



Mine seems easy enough :o

This should be a good laugh - nice one Stig :p

palace & proud
19-05-2006, 05:03 PM
I'll have a go ;)

Funk Butter
19-05-2006, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane
Mine seems easy enough :o

This should be a good laugh - nice one Stig :p
Yeah, yours is easy. LOSS, LOSS, LOSS.

citizen sane
19-05-2006, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
Yeah, yours is easy. LOSS, LOSS, LOSS.

They won't get rolled over - very strong defensively , they lack creativity though .

I should have read the opening post properly as well :rolleyes: I never realised we had 20 other bets as well :clown:

Although i do think it would be funny if you could only bet on the team you drew during the group stage .

Stigma
19-05-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by palace & proud
I'll have a go ;)

A green outdoors and a sage people..

South Korea

Chester
19-05-2006, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
A fairytale land rushing headlong to modernity...it could only be:

Czech Republic

:lux:

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by citizen sane

Although i do think it would be funny if you could only bet on the team you drew during the group stage .

thinking about it I like the idea of only being able to bet on matches played by the team you drew in the group stage.

If we get 32 bods in before start of July is it worth a rethink?

not sure mico would agree! ;)

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by si1965
Some of these groups are going to be tough...

Group A
Germany
Costa Rica
Jim Cannons Moustache (Poland)
Gav The Hamster (Ecuador)

Group B
Ozeagle (England)
Paraguay
Trinidad & Tobago
LLCOOLSTEVE (Sweden)

Group C
si1965 (Argentina)
Citizen sane (Serbia & Montenegro)
Drunk eagle (Holland)
Ivory Coast

Group D
Funk Butter (Mexico)
jamesyg0 (Iran)
el mico (Angola)
Gooders (Portugal)

Group E
Usa
Chester (Czech Republic)
hakers (Italy)
Ghana

Group F
Finbar (Australia)
andy1905 (Japan)
Brazil
Croatia

Group G
South Korea
Togo
France
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Group H
Spain
paf (Ukraine)
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia


we could even keep the groups like the real WC, if we get 32.

Clearly Group A is the group of death

Stigma
19-05-2006, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
thinking about it I like the idea of only being able to bet on matches played by the team you drew in the group stage.

If we get 32 bods in before start of July is it worth a rethink?

not sure mico would agree! ;)

Yeah that post by Si1965 (with the different groups) really got me thinking. If we only could get it so that it would be fairer to all..must be possible to think up something, come on guys..

el mico
19-05-2006, 06:57 PM
How about proper world cup format for a start

Top 2 from each group go through to a QF?

Then we redraw for teams.

winners go through to semi

another redraw etc....

el mico
19-05-2006, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
thinking about it I like the idea of only being able to bet on matches played by the team you drew in the group stage.

not sure mico would agree! ;)

Too right just checked the Angolan team....FFS :D

Half of them come from Petro Atletico.....:rolleyes:

NO1FAN
19-05-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm definatly in, sounds like fun

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 07:10 PM
If we can get 32 people in we could have.

Group stage
8 groups as is.
5 bets in matches on your allocated country, 10 bets on other events.

top of each group through to 1/4 finals. (round of 16 in real WC)
redraw teams
h2h
4 matches: 2 bets on your allocated team, 8 bets on other events

semis (1/4 finals of real WC)
redraw teams
2 matches: again 2 bets on allocated team, 8 others.

Final
1 match, same format as above.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
If we can get 32 people in we could have.

Group stage
8 groups as is.
5 bets in matches on your allocated country, 10 bets on other events.

top of each group through to 1/4 finals. (round of 16 in real WC)
redraw teams
h2h
4 matches: 2 bets on your allocated team, 8 bets on other events

semis (1/4 finals of real WC)
redraw teams
2 matches: again 2 bets on allocated team, 8 others.

Final
1 match, same format as above.

Like that! The only problem I see is that some might find it a bit "too much"/complicated. But if we can get 32 people interested then yeah. 20 already from day 1. Surely we can manage 12 more!!?

Stigma
19-05-2006, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by NO1FAN
I'm definatly in, sounds like fun

Caribbean in spirit..

Trinidad & Tobago

Would be a tough group that..
Group B
Ozeagle (England)
Paraguay
Trinidad & Tobago (NO1FAN)
LLCOOLSTEVE (Sweden

NO1FAN
19-05-2006, 07:27 PM
Marlon King to score 1st then :D

Thats the only player i know of theres

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Like that! The only problem I see is that some might find it a bit "too much"/complicated. But if we can get 32 people interested then yeah. 20 already from day 1. Surely we can manage 12 more!!?

yeah, maybe a 2nd group stage of 2 groups of 4?

final winner of both groups?

pauldrulez
19-05-2006, 07:32 PM
I'm in.. of course :lux:

Jim Cannons Moustache
19-05-2006, 07:35 PM
These all entered this months but not the WC special yet:
Al from Bromley
StuNick
Hang the D J
PoolKing
Flat Noodle
srs9jps

add in the fredman, who'll surely be back and thats 7 more places. just need 5 more bods.


A couple groups of 3 wouldnt be a disaster either

Stigma
19-05-2006, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by pauldrulez
I'm in.. of course :lux:

A global brand, a cluster of seductions, a wealth of surprises...the only real superpower..but what's up with there SOCCER team??

USA for Paul..

Stigma
19-05-2006, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
These all entered this months but not the WC special yet:
Al from Bromley
StuNick
Hang the D J
PoolKing
Flat Noodle
srs9jps

add in the fredman, who'll surely be back and thats 7 more places. just need 5 more bods.


A couple groups of 3 wouldnt be a disaster either

Looks good when you put it like that. Brazil (France, Germany, Spain..and more) still available guys..come on..

palace & proud
19-05-2006, 07:54 PM
No one still not got Brazil..

palace & proud
19-05-2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
A green outdoors and a sage people..

South Korea


:lux: :lux: :lux:

Flat Noodle
19-05-2006, 08:26 PM
I'm IN !!!

Thanks for running this, Stig ! :p

citizen sane
19-05-2006, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by el mico
How about proper world cup format for a start

Top 2 from each group go through to a QF?

Then we redraw for teams.

winners go through to semi

another redraw etc....

This format seems alright if we have 32 players .

I reckon we should only be able to bet on our own teams matches as well , say 3 bets per match .

Johnson
19-05-2006, 08:30 PM
I will join to make the numbers up.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Flat Noodle
I'm IN !!!



Story-book charm, cultural clout and a whole lot of gravitas...has to be the host nation..

Germany for Flat Noodle.

Stigma
19-05-2006, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Johnson
I will join to make the numbers up.

Get to know South America's wild enigma..

Paraguay..

Flat Noodle
20-05-2006, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Stigma
Germany for Flat Noodle.

Thanks, Stig...

Tough group, but I'm happy as long as I'm not in the same group as Oz... :D

Flat Noodle
20-05-2006, 05:47 AM
btw, when you said '5 bets involving your allocated team'... can it be included in a Hail Mary (multi)... eg.

Bet1 : Federer x Nadal x Rosenborg x Germany @ 1.11

Will this be counted as one of my WC bet? Or it has to be Single bet?

Stigma
20-05-2006, 09:43 AM
Good question, I feel that those 5 bets should just be singles (on your teams games). But of course if there's a strong outcry from a few others, then..but for now singles.

el mico
20-05-2006, 09:58 AM
I agree, singles bring more class to proceedings easy to fluke a multi....:)

el mico
20-05-2006, 10:00 AM
actually that's not true which is why they hardly ever win.....:(

Think singles will give the Angolans more chance though :p

ozeagle
20-05-2006, 10:03 AM
multis are always allowed, that's how some try to blast out.

but, for the team bets; i think we confine it to singles.

el mico
20-05-2006, 10:18 AM
Actually i'm leaning towards going for bets only on your allocated team.

Would be more of a laugh and in keeping with the real thing...

Happy to go with whatever though....

:)

Hang the D J
20-05-2006, 10:24 AM
If there are spaces left, I'm in

Stigma
20-05-2006, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Hang the D J
If there are spaces left, I'm in

Sure is, 9 teams still left...

Togo..may be small and beachy, but its culture muscles are pumped..

Group G
palace & proud (South Korea)
Hang the DJ (Togo)
France
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Stigma
20-05-2006, 10:45 AM
The teams left now are: Brazil, Croatia, France, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Saudi Arabia, Spain and Tunisia..

Gooders
20-05-2006, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Stigma
Ozeagle - England (!)


:D :lux:

ozeagle
20-05-2006, 01:05 PM
going back to my roots, Gooders.

after all, i am 100% english.

:)

Finbar
20-05-2006, 01:31 PM
Stig, am not clear, all bets must relate to the football correct?

Just that the example mentioned by FN included tennis players...

Am certain StuNick will be up for this but doubtless is on the golf course, will try to get hold of him so he doesn't miss out

NO1FAN
20-05-2006, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Finbar
Stig, am not clear, all bets must relate to the football correct?

Just that the example mentioned by FN included tennis players...

Am certain StuNick will be up for this but doubtless is on the golf course, will try to get hold of him so he doesn't miss out

I think its 5 bets that need to relate to your footballing country

ozeagle
20-05-2006, 01:37 PM
5 singles relating to your allotted country.

rest of the month as per normal.

Stigma
20-05-2006, 02:13 PM
Yep..(we have a lot of people that don't usually bet on football and so on..so).

ozeagle
20-05-2006, 02:25 PM
Stig, any trip to Australia planned?

Stigma
20-05-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by ozeagle
Stig, any trip to Australia planned?

Nah not really, USA this year (I try and do one big trip every year). Have already started to think about the next one, and I think it will have to be Cuba (going to be some big changes there after Fidel is gone I think. And I know a few people that have been there and absolutely loved it so..). Might take 2 weeks there at the start of 2007. Next summer my usual travel companions are discussing Africa (Tanzania +)..
But after that it might be time for a visit to Oceania..

When is your next big Europe trip then?

Funk Butter
20-05-2006, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Nah not really, USA this year (I try and do one big trip every year). Have already started to think about the next one, and I think it will have to be Cuba (going to be some big changes there after Fidel is gone I think. And I know a few people that have been there and absolutely loved it so..).
You know Gary Glitter?

When you say I think its 5 bets that need to relate to your footballing country does that mean I can place 5 bets on the Mexican baseball league or Barrera to knock out Juarez? Or is it 5 bets on your team in the World Cup?

Stigma
20-05-2006, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter
You know Gary Glitter?

When you say does that mean I can place 5 bets on the Mexican baseball league or Barrera to knock out Juarez? Or is it 5 bets on your team in the World Cup?

5 bets on your teams games in the World Cup (would be a bit tough on the Togo and such nations participants if not!).

I thought Glitter liked himself best in Thailand!?

StuNick
20-05-2006, 04:23 PM
Im In and yes I was on the golf course (in the pouring rain!!!!!)
Brazil please

srs9jps
20-05-2006, 05:08 PM
I'M IN

Spain will do:p

Ian Hart
20-05-2006, 06:40 PM
I'm in (if I'm not too late)

Finbar
20-05-2006, 08:02 PM
yes please give StuNick Brazil so that they can be humbled by the aussies and I get in the good books of my mrs for once...

richdeniro
20-05-2006, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Sure is, 9 teams still left...

Togo..may be small and beachy, but its culture muscles are pumped..

Group G
palace & proud (South Korea)
Hang the DJ (Togo)
France
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Some tough competition there

Looking forward to it

:p

Stigma
21-05-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by StuNick
Im In and yes I was on the golf course (in the pouring rain!!!!!)
Brazil please

Chana actually!

Group E completed then..

Pauldrulez (USA)
Chester (Czech Republic)
hakers (Italy)
StuNick (Ghana)

Stigma
21-05-2006, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by srs9jps
I'M IN



According to the draw you're in group C..
Plenty of natural assets and a people unbowed by strife..

Ivory Coast

Group C
si1965 (Argentina)
Citizen sane (Serbia & Montenegro)
Drunk eagle (Holland)
srs9jps (Ivory Coast)

Stigma
21-05-2006, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by Ian Hart
I'm in (if I'm not too late)

Spain
The Spanish passion for living is deliciously contagious..

Group H
Ian Hart (Spain)
paf (Ukraine)
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia

Stigma
21-05-2006, 01:07 PM
With just 5 participants missing, I think we can safely say that we will go ahead with the group stage format.
Have put down 2 format suggestions, which one do you like best, 1 or 2? And of course we’re still open for new format suggestions..

1. The JCM - Special
Group stage
8 groups as is.
5 bets in matches on your allocated country, 15 bets on other events.

top of each group through to 1/4 finals. (round of 16 in real WC)
redraw teams
h2h
4 matches: 2 bets on your allocated team, 8 bets on other events

semis (1/4 finals of real WC)
redraw teams
2 matches: again 2 bets on allocated team, 8 others.

Final
1 match, same format as above.

For example:
Group stages would go from 01-23.June (1.round finished).
2.stage: 24-29. June
3.stage: 30-03.July
4.stage: 04-09.July.


2.
What if we used “the same rules” as the World cup. What I mean is, the top 2 of each group goes through to the next round and we follow the regular schedule (more or less).
This would mean that after the group stages we don’t have a special team, but 2 of the bets in that round must be on the World Cup games.
That would also mean a lot less random drawing; for example if Flat Noodle came first in group 1 (A1) he would meet the person who came second in group B (just like in the real WC), Ozeagle finishing second there and we have a Flat Noodle – Ozeagle duel!
Would make it a bit more fun/interesting to follow the other groups then..perhaps.
The problem is that it would mean one more round (from suggestion number 1).
For example:
Group stages (32): 01-23.June – 20 bets (15+5)
2. Stage (16): 24-28.June - 10 bets (8+2)
3. Stage (8): 29-02.July – 10 bets (8+2)
4. Stage (4): 03-06.July – 10 bets (8+2)
5. Stage (5): 07-09.July – 10 bets (8+2)

3. ?

Both formats look good, the only problem I see is that it could be seen as a bit too much by some!? But then again, the World Cup only comes around once every 4 years:)

ozeagle
21-05-2006, 01:46 PM
on behalf of fredman, he's in.

Stigma
21-05-2006, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by ozeagle
on behalf of fredman, he's in.

Which is wilder - the jungle or the people?

Brazil!

Group F
Finbar (Australia)
andy1905 (Japan)
fredman (Brazil)
Croatia

el mico
21-05-2006, 04:04 PM
Stig i prefer 2 definitely. Must admit i missed the gist of the original post, didn't realise non- WC bets would be included. Would much prefer if it was just WC bets maybe even just bets on your given team. Would be more fun imo.....anyway will go with whatever but that would be my option 3.

Flat Noodle
21-05-2006, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Stigma

2.
What if we used “the same rules” as the World cup. What I mean is, the top 2 of each group goes through to the next round and we follow the regular schedule (more or less).
This would mean that after the group stages we don’t have a special team, but 2 of the bets in that round must be on the World Cup games.
That would also mean a lot less random drawing; for example if Flat Noodle came first in group 1 (A1) he would meet the person who came second in group B (just like in the real WC), Ozeagle finishing second there and we have a Flat Noodle – Ozeagle duel!
Would make it a bit more fun/interesting to follow the other groups then..perhaps.
The problem is that it would mean one more round (from suggestion number 1).
For example:
Group stages (32): 01-23.June – 20 bets (15+5)
2. Stage (16): 24-28.June - 10 bets (8+2)
3. Stage (8): 29-02.July – 10 bets (8+2)
4. Stage (4): 03-06.July – 10 bets (8+2)
5. Stage (5): 07-09.July – 10 bets (8+2)


Prefer the second option as well...this would allow people more chance to qualify and also more exciting when it comes down to h2h duels! However, this would mean a lot more work for you, Stig... :(

Anyway, interesting example h2h clash you choose up there... if that duel arise at any stage, all Oz has to do is to lay all my bets... :clown:

citizen sane
21-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by el mico
Would much prefer if it was just WC bets maybe even just bets on your given team. Would be more fun imo.....anyway will go with whatever but that would be my option 3.

I'd prefer this as well , but likewise I'll go with whatever .

Ian Hart
21-05-2006, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by el mico
Stig i prefer 2 definitely. Must admit i missed the gist of the original post, didn't realise non- WC bets would be included. Would much prefer if it was just WC bets maybe even just bets on your given team. Would be more fun imo.....anyway will go with whatever but that would be my option 3.

My thoughts too. It seems a bit odd having a "World Cup Special" where some (in fact most ) of the bets would not be World Cup related. Like el mico I would much prefer it restricted to World Cup bets only. It would also make it much simpler for everyone to follow, and much easier for you to monitor.

Stigma
21-05-2006, 06:05 PM
The ”problem” with just betting on the World cup is of course that there are quite a few people in the BM that doesn’t normally bet on football.
We might see some withdrawals if the betting is just on the WC, but as everything in the BM, the majority rule, so another vote is in order I feel:
1. Bet on anything or 2. Just the World Cup.

I’ve got Ian Hart, citizen sane and el mico down with option number 2.
0-3

Jim Cannons Moustache
21-05-2006, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
if Flat Noodle came first in group 1 (A1)

no f*cking chance ;)

LLCOOLSTEVE
21-05-2006, 06:30 PM
1

richdeniro
21-05-2006, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
The ”problem” with just betting on the World cup is of course that there are quite a few people in the BM that doesn’t normally bet on football.
We might see some withdrawals if the betting is just on the WC, but as everything in the BM, the majority rule, so another vote is in order I feel:
1. Bet on anything or 2. Just the World Cup.

I’ve got Ian Hart, citizen sane and el mico down with option number 2.
0-3

Option 2 :p

hakers
21-05-2006, 07:14 PM
option 2 for the format, and even as a non football 'beter' i think all bets should be on the world cup so option 2 for that one too!!!

jamesyg0
21-05-2006, 08:12 PM
2 for me aswell.

Stigma
21-05-2006, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by el mico
..maybe even just bets on your given team. Would be more fun imo.....anyway will go with whatever but that would be my option 3.

Originally posted by citizen sane
I'd prefer this as well , but likewise I'll go with whatever .

The problem here would be that it wouldn't really be fair if we did that. When you consider that some one has got Brazil (who will probably play 6/7 games) and another person have got Togo (or say Costa Rica:o )...it would just make it all a bit of a travesty.

Stigma
21-05-2006, 08:13 PM
Voting thus far

Format
Option 1 ("JCM") - Option 2 ("WC-rules"): 0-4

Bets
1. All sports - 2.Just World Cup: 1-5

jamesyg0
21-05-2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
Originally posted by el mico
..maybe even just bets on your given team. Would be more fun imo.....anyway will go with whatever but that would be my option 3.



The problem here would be that it wouldn't really be fair if we did that. When you consider that some one has got Brazil (who will probably play 6/7 games) and another person have got Togo (or say Costa Rica:o )...it would just make it all a bit of a travesty.


What about just 5 bets on your team only in the group stages before the re-draw. So my five for Iran could be


Iran Win
Total Goals
First Goalscorer
etc etc

Then the best points in the groups, top 2 go through then the re-draw. Keeps betting within groups and simpler. just an idea though

hakers
21-05-2006, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by jamesyg0
What about just 5 bets on your team only in the group stages before the re-draw. So my five for Iran could be


Iran Win
Total Goals
First Goalscorer
etc etc

Then the best points in the groups, top 2 go through then the re-draw. Keeps betting within groups and simpler. just an idea though

Or rather then redraw, you get paired up with the team who finished in the same position as you. For example my group consists of Pauldrulez (USA), Chester (Czech Republic), hakers (Italy), StuNick (Ghana). If the WC group finished Italy, Czech R, USA & Ghana, and the betting group finished pauldrulez, chester, stunick and me, then in the next round paul gets italy and chester gets the czechs again. Etc etc

Stigma
21-05-2006, 08:40 PM
Certainly food for thought that, jamesyg0. But one of the key components of the format 2 idea (which is currently leading by a good margin) was that we didn’t have a special team selection after the group stages.
I don’t know what would be best to be honest, but the “constant” drawing of teams seems a bit “off” to me..they’ve served a purpose in the group selections and adds a nice twist to the group stage.
But there would be a problem(as I see it) as well with a special team after the group stages, there we have 3 games to bet on, but after that we will just have 1 game in which to place x number of bets on your team.

Stigma
21-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Keep those ideas flowing guys, will in the end hopefully lead to a smashing competition:)

srs9jps
21-05-2006, 09:00 PM
Format 2

Bets 2 - but whilst your allocated team is still in the world cup a certain number of them have to be on their games. (Say 5 in first round, down to a minimum of 1 or 2 in later rounds)

Funk Butter
21-05-2006, 09:06 PM
I would like option 2 as well. I don't think you'd lose any players if you could only bet on World Cup matches. This is a very special time, after all, only happens every 48 months. So, I don't think people would bugger out just because they had to make all their bets on World Cup matches.

Finbar
21-05-2006, 09:07 PM
Option 2 for me and with it being a World Cup special then all bets should be on the world cup in my opinion, surely even those who normally don't bet on football know enough to join in and have a laugh

el mico
21-05-2006, 09:19 PM
sorry stig - i meant bets restricted to your team just in the group stage. Then a redraw at each new stage. So you would get a new team for the second round etc.

Just a thought but you could start reducing the number of bets as the rounds progress making it a bit more important that you win your bets like the real thing...

Ian Hart
21-05-2006, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Stigma

The problem here would be that it wouldn't really be fair if we did that. When you consider that some one has got Brazil (who will probably play 6/7 games) and another person have got Togo (or say Costa Rica:o )...it would just make it all a bit of a travesty.

I hope (as a newcomer) it's not considered wrong for me to comment, but I think that's quite easy to overcome, Stigma. Everyone would play the same number of games in the initial groups, whether they've got Brazil or Togo. After the group stage, you just draw the names again (for those who have stayed in by finishing high in their groups) amongst those teams that are left. And you repeat the process at the end of each round.

Would that not work?

Stigma
22-05-2006, 07:00 AM
If people don’t mind the constant drawing of teams, then great. But what one must realise is the fact the although you get a new team for every round, it will only have a bearing on 1 world cup game pr round from the knock-out stages..

By the comments thus far I take it that the majority wants a random draw for each round, or hakers idea?

Flat Noodle
22-05-2006, 07:14 AM
I'd prefer us to stick to the same team as we are... so if, for example, Finbar wins the whole thing, he can say he represented only Australia, rather than Australia, Brazil, Germany and England...if you know what i mean...

And I'd support the idea that people can only bet WC matches, not any other sports. As someone mentioned, this only happens once in 4 years... and this is a special BM dedicated to WC!

IMO, I think in the first round, we can stick to the original idea that we need to have at least 5 single bets on our allocated team. Once progress through the next round, the allocated teams remain the same, but we can choose to bet on any game of the same round in the WC. (Last 8 people can bet on any Quarter-Final matches.) This way, all of us can access to the same amount of bets to create fairness and equality among all competitors.

Just an opinion of a 20 yr old Asian boy... feel free to comment. :)

Gooders
22-05-2006, 07:18 AM
I vote option 1 like Steve, although clearly the majority want a proper World Cup Betting Masters, which is fair enough.

Seems a real shame to not be having a normal Masters comp whilst Epsom, Royal Ascot and Goodwood are on though. :(

Flat Noodle
22-05-2006, 07:25 AM
I know, Gooders... French Open is on for tennis as well (29 May- 11 Jun). :(

But WC is more special of cuz ~ :p

ozeagle
22-05-2006, 08:28 AM
the real excitement is of course, oz v gooders ;)

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 09:19 AM
I don't actually mind all bets on World Cup matches (there's nothing much to go on on my specialist sports in June anyway) but I think having 2 qualifiers from each group will make it a bit long winded. we may only have 3 players in some groups, 2 from 3 is a little bit over egging the pudding, non?

Gooders
22-05-2006, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by ozeagle
the real excitement is of course, oz v gooders ;)

I wish - but we're in different groups and I can't see me qualifying - I've never done a football bet in my life!

StuNick
22-05-2006, 10:05 AM
I'd go for option 2 (which by now is neither here nor there as it is obviously the way we are going).
I like the idea that the top two go through from each group and you have head to heads until you get two finalists.
Is there a need to draw a specific team after the group stages that you have to bet on if you are going head to head and all the bets have to be on the world cup?

jamesyg0
22-05-2006, 10:46 AM
This might sound a bit long winded but another suggestion:


Have the five bets on your team in the group stages. The people with most points go through (top 2). They are then up against a person from another group so


Germany
England
Holland
Brazil

Czech
Spain
Serbia
Togo

Say top 2 qualify. Spain would face Germany and England v Czech. The humans that went through would go head to head and have 3 bets each for each game. Can bet on either team etc. person who wins the most progresses. Sounds better in my head :D

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 10:54 AM
so say in Group A I finish Top ( ;) ) and Flat Noodle finishes second and in the real WC Germany finish top and Ecuador fuinish 2nd. Then I take Germany and FN take Ecuador into the 2nd round as our team.

Rather than a redraw its decided by real life who we take forward as our team?.

StuNick
22-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
so say in Group A I finish Top ( ;) ) and Flat Noodle finishes second and in the real WC Germany finish top and Ecuador fuinish 2nd. Then I take Germany and FN take Ecuador into the 2nd round as our team.

Rather than a redraw its decided by real life who we take forward as our team?.

Sounds good to me :p

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Does that make sense?

To give you another example

Group D finishes
el mico (Angola)
jamesyg0 (Iran)
Funk Butter (Mexico)
Gooders (Portugal)

Real WC Group D finishes
Portugal
Mexico
Iran
Angola

Then in Round 2 El Mico takes Portugal and jamesyg0 takes Mexico.
and they play h2h against whoever it is Portugal and mexico play in Rd2 of the real WC

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 11:01 AM
no more draws needed, its all decided who plays who right through to the final.

In the 2nd round say
el mico (Portugal) plays FN (Ecuador) and FN wins
In real WC Portugal beat Ecuador.

Fn takes Portugal through to next round as his team

Genius.

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 11:03 AM
Just need to decide on the number of bets at each stage

Ian Hart
22-05-2006, 11:14 AM
I stopped reading all these different suggestions about two pages ago. They were doing my head in!

I'm just waiting until Stigma says "So this is the one we've chosen" and then I'll try and make sense of that one :o

citizen sane
22-05-2006, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
Just need to decide on the number of bets at each stage

Your suggestion seems the simplest so far .

Personally I would say 10 bets only on your team in the group stages , with say a minimum of say 3 bets each match .

In the H2H's you could have 3 or 4 bets per match again .

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 11:25 AM
I like my idea. :)

Sometimes I blurt things out then on reflection they turn out to be bobbins, this time I think I've managed brilliance :D

The ground work for who plays who is done already (by Stig's Draw and the offical Wc draw).

I still prefer x number of bets on your teams own matches and y number of bets on any WC match from that round.

5 and 10 in round 1 (15 in total)
3 and 5 in round 2 and QF's. (8 in total)
Semis 3 and 2 (5 in total)
Final 5 in total.

That of course means 5 bets on one match in the final, but as its the WC final there will be no shortage of options.

jamesyg0
22-05-2006, 12:07 PM
That was my idea which you just changed ever so slightly :D

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 12:15 PM
ssshhhh. :D

erm...developed...more than changed.

yours was version 0.1, I turned it into version 1.0

therefore, officially, my idea.

;)

Ian Hart
22-05-2006, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache

yours was version 0.1, I turned it into version 1.0





No wonder it's doing my head in ;)

hakers
22-05-2006, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
so say in Group A I finish Top ( ;) ) and Flat Noodle finishes second and in the real WC Germany finish top and Ecuador fuinish 2nd. Then I take Germany and FN take Ecuador into the 2nd round as our team.

Rather than a redraw its decided by real life who we take forward as our team?.

As this is what i said a page or so back i think we should run with this one ;) :)

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 12:31 PM
did you?

ah well, still my idea.

:D :o

Jim Cannons Moustache
22-05-2006, 12:33 PM
have looked back now, yes you did.

very good idea, wish I had thought of it.

Chester
22-05-2006, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
have looked back now, yes you did.

very good idea, wish I had thought of it.

:o :D

Stigma
22-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Flat Noodle
I'd prefer us to stick to the same team as we are... so if, for example, Finbar wins the whole thing, he can say he represented only Australia, rather than Australia, Brazil, Germany and England...if you know what i mean...



Must admit to seeing the “novelty” in this..:)

Stigma
22-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Good debate going on here. I just still can’t see what the big point is with having a special nation in every round. Certainly in the last rounds (from the quarter-finals on wards at least) it loses almost all meaning. Seeing as there will only be 4 games to bet on and then you have to do "2 bets" on that game!??...that would just be a “normal” thing to do.

Stigma
22-05-2006, 05:45 PM
Btw: We are still missing 4 participants in the big BBS World cup competition.
Teams still left in the hat: Croatia, France, Saudi-Arabia and Tunisia. Surely there’s someone on the bbs YOU could challenge?

In thus far:
jamesyg0: Iran
hakers: Italy
JCM: Poland
paf: Ukraine
si1965: Argentina
andy1905: Japan
Gav The Hamster: Ecuador
LLCOOLSTEVE: Sweden
Finbar: Australia
Ozeagle - England
Drunk eagle - Holland
Gooders - Portugal
richdeniro - Switzerland
Funk Butter: Mexico
Stigma: Costa Rica
citizen sane: Serbia & Montenegro
el mico: Angola
Chester: Czech Republic
palace & proud: South Korea
NO1FAN: Trinidad & Tobago
Pauldrulez: USA
Flat Noodle - Germany
Johnson - Paraguay
Hang the D J: Togo
StuNick: Ghana
srs9jps: Ivory Coast
Ian Hart: Spain
fredman - Brazil

Stigma
22-05-2006, 05:47 PM
The groups:

Group A
Flat Noodle (Germany)
Stigma (Costa Rica)
Jim Cannons Moustache (Poland)
Gav The Hamster (Ecuador)

Group B
Ozeagle (England)
Johnson (Paraguay)
NO1FAN (Trinidad & Tobago)
LLCOOLSTEVE (Sweden)

Group C
si1965 (Argentina)
Citizen sane (Serbia & Montenegro)
Drunk eagle (Holland)
srs9jps (Ivory Coast)

Group D
Funk Butter (Mexico)
jamesyg0 (Iran)
el mico (Angola)
Gooders (Portugal)

Group E
Pauldrulez (USA)
Chester (Czech Republic)
hakers (Italy)
StuNick (Ghana)

Group F
Finbar (Australia)
andy1905 (Japan)
fredman (Brazil)
Croatia

Group G
palace & proud (South Korea)
Hang the D J (Togo)
France
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Group H
Ian Hart (Spain)
paf (Ukraine)
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia

si1965
22-05-2006, 06:04 PM
There are a few 'big' name absentees:

Bunghole
Wildcat Army
Grim

Funk Butter
22-05-2006, 06:41 PM
I like the idea of having a specific team at every stage, just because it gives us a jumping off point. After the group stages, 2 people will be concentrating on the same game, so it will increase the stakes and tension.

jamesyg0
22-05-2006, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by si1965
There are a few 'big' name absentees:

Bunghole
Wildcat Army
Grim


Thought Al from Bromley would be interested to

palace & proud
22-05-2006, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
The groups:



Group G
palace & proud (South Korea)
Hang the D J (Togo)
France
richdeniro (Switzerland)


:lux: Come on the Korea :lux:

hakers
22-05-2006, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Jim Cannons Moustache
have looked back now, yes you did.

very good idea, wish I had thought of it.


:D:D

We can share if you wish :p

Flat Noodle
23-05-2006, 03:55 PM
Still 4 players short... if that's the case, what's gonna happen in Group H? There're only 2 players there... :(

Ian Hart
23-05-2006, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Flat Noodle
Still 4 players short... if that's the case, what's gonna happen in Group H? There're only 2 players there... :(

I was keeping stum about that. I suspect Paf was too.

We're currently both short prices on Betfair to reach the next round.

jamesyg0
23-05-2006, 06:15 PM
Stigma could you not just make it 7 groups and leave the other group as all non-humans? Would it work?

Stigma
23-05-2006, 06:22 PM
Ehh,well I've tried to challenge some other guys on the BBS, I would recommend you do the same?? Surely there's a few more punters about..

I hope all this “back and forth” with the rules are not making people avoid this thread!? We will have a fixed set of rules soon. Will try and bake all your suggestions and stuff into something solid in the next couple of days.

DaveCPFC4Life
23-05-2006, 09:34 PM
I ll give this a go

Stigma
24-05-2006, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by DaveCPFC4Life
I ll give this a go

:p

A land of ancient exotica spiced with modern luxury..

Tunisia

Group H
Ian Hart (Spain)
paf (Ukraine)
DaveCPFC4Life (Tunisia)
Saudi Arabia


3 to go..

Tor
24-05-2006, 08:30 AM
Down to 2...

I'm ready for a challenge, count me in. :p

Stigma
24-05-2006, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Tor
Down to 2...

I'm ready for a challenge, count me in. :p

:p
Profligate sun, medieval old towns and a cruisy vibe..

Croatia

Group F
Finbar (Australia)
andy1905 (Japan)
fredman (Brazil)
Tor (Croatia)

Tough group that!

StuNick
24-05-2006, 09:10 AM
And what a choice there is left, whoever joins next must be wanting the Saudi's

Flat Noodle
24-05-2006, 09:20 AM
No, there's still 2 more places... France and Saudi Arabia... :)

ozeagle
24-05-2006, 10:55 AM
Stig, where are you getting these 1 liners?

StuNick
24-05-2006, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by ozeagle
Stig, where are you getting these 1 liners?

Yeah, I want one about Ghana
Just reading up on my team, looks like Essien and Samuel Kuffour will be the main target of my bets!! :p

Stigma
24-05-2006, 11:02 AM
I'm full of "1 liners"..:)

Lonely planet..

(Ghana..:The welcome from the locals more than makes up for a dull capital..).

Stigma
25-05-2006, 08:05 AM
Shamone has said that he wants to participate..

Ohhh...Sacre bleu..it's France!

Group G
palace & proud (South Korea)
Hang the D J (Togo)
Shamone (France)
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Stigma
25-05-2006, 08:08 AM
Well then 31 down, 1 to go!
Who wants to be a Saudi Oil-king then?? (Bush has got your back as well, so a sweeet deal that!:p ).

Stigma
25-05-2006, 08:24 AM
Germany ‘06 special. Show the BBS who the best World cup punter is! Don’t delay join today..

We are for the most parts following the regular BM rules, but with a few changes:

First of all group stages. Just like the World Cup we’ve got 32 participants and 8 groups. The best 2 from each group goes through to the next round. Only bets on the World Cup is allowed.
Each contestant gets picked (by random) one of the national teams competing in the World cup 2006. And then they have to do 5 bets related to there team (can bet against them and so on). Shouldn’t be a problem finding bets as there will be 50+ bets possible to do on any one game in the World cup.
After the league stage the people with most points go through (top 2). They are then up against a person from another group so

(Example..)
Group D finishes
el mico (Angola)
jamesyg0 (Iran)
Funk Butter (Mexico)
Gooders (Portugal)

Real WC Group D finishes
Portugal
Mexico
Iran
Angola

Then in Round 2 El Mico takes Portugal and jamesyg0 takes Mexico.
and they play h2h against whoever it is Portugal and mexico play in Rd2 of the real WC.
Number of bets:
Group stages (32 participants): 09-23.June – 20 bets (15+5) – 48 games to bet on.
2. Stage (16): 24-27.June - 10 bets (8+2) – 8 games
3. Stage (8): 30-01.July – 10 bets (8+2) – 4 games
4. Stage (4): 04-05.July – 10 bets (8+2) – 2 games
5. Stage (5): 08-09.July – 10 bets (8+2) – 2 games (final and Bronze final..)

This is what I’ve got from you guys so far...thinking a bit on the number of bets in the last couple of rounds, is 10 bets on 2 games too much??

jamesyg0
25-05-2006, 10:15 AM
Just to clear it up is it 5 bets for the whole group or 5 bets per match?


Then in the head to head its 5 bets for that one particular match and so on.



Sounds good to me

Stigma
25-05-2006, 10:51 AM
5 bets during the whole group stage. 3 games..

In the next couple of rounds it's 2 bets that has to be on your teams game..

el mico
25-05-2006, 11:48 AM
So just to clarify Stig (haven't played this for a while) - 25 bets in first round - 5 on your country, All bets are World cup bets....

si1965
25-05-2006, 11:51 AM
Just an idea if no-one takes the last remaining team (feel free to take this and claim it as your own JCM ) :D

I nominate:
Shamone's Dart

Alternatively we could e-mail Purewinners... :o

Men At Work
25-05-2006, 12:10 PM
Under extreme pressure from JCM I'm lobbing in a nomination for the last team.

Jim Cannons Moustache
25-05-2006, 12:11 PM
:lux: :lux::lux:

Stigma
25-05-2006, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by Men At Work
Under extreme pressure from JCM I'm lobbing in a nomination for the last team.

:p
Saudi-Arabia..Ian Hart and paf suddenly under some big pressure then, from Dave and MAW!
Group H
Ian Hart (Spain)
paf (Ukraine)
DaveCPFC4Life (Tunisia)
Men At Work (Saudi Arabia)

Stigma
25-05-2006, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by el mico
So just to clarify Stig (haven't played this for a while) - 25 bets in first round - 5 on your country, All bets are World cup bets....

Well I was thinking 20 in total (20 bets (15+5)). But more bets would be fine by me..

Jim Cannons Moustache
25-05-2006, 02:24 PM
I think 20 is better for the initial stage.

The way you had it in your rules above, if you get to the final you need to find 60 bets!! that's going to be hard going as it is

el mico
25-05-2006, 02:49 PM
yeh 15+5 is fine by me

Ian Hart
25-05-2006, 10:40 PM
Sorry to be thick, but I'm not normally involved.

I understand the bit about 5 bets on (or aagainst) your own team spread over their 3 matches. However, what is the "15" you also refer to please? Are they bets on other matches in which your own team isn't involved?

Stigma
26-05-2006, 06:25 AM
Yep, 20 bets in total on the World Cup games, but as you say 5 of those have to be on your teams games.

Stigma
26-05-2006, 06:39 AM
Bring on the World Cup..

jamesyg0: Iran
hakers: Italy
JCM: Poland
paf: Ukraine
si1965: Argentina
andy1905: Japan
Gav The Hamster: Ecuador
LLCOOLSTEVE: Sweden
Finbar: Australia
Ozeagle - England
Drunk eagle - Holland
Gooders - Portugal
richdeniro - Switzerland
Funk Butter: Mexico
Stigma: Costa Rica
citizen sane: Serbia & Montenegro
el mico: Angola
Chester: Czech Republic
palace & proud: South Korea
NO1FAN: Trinidad & Tobago
Pauldrulez: USA
Flat Noodle - Germany
Johnson - Paraguay
Hang the D J: Togo
StuNick: Ghana
srs9jps: Ivory Coast
Ian Hart: Spain
fredman – Brazil
DaveCPFC4Life: Tunisia
Tor: Croatia
Shamone: France
Men At Work: Saudi Arabia

The groups:

Group A
Flat Noodle (Germany)
Stigma (Costa Rica)
Jim Cannons Moustache (Poland)
Gav The Hamster (Ecuador)

Group B
Ozeagle (England)
Johnson (Paraguay)
NO1FAN (Trinidad & Tobago)
LLCOOLSTEVE (Sweden)

Group C
si1965 (Argentina)
Citizen sane (Serbia & Montenegro)
Drunk eagle (Holland)
srs9jps (Ivory Coast)

Group D
Funk Butter (Mexico)
jamesyg0 (Iran)
el mico (Angola)
Gooders (Portugal)

Group E
Pauldrulez (USA)
Chester (Czech Republic)
hakers (Italy)
StuNick (Ghana)

Group F
Finbar (Australia)
andy1905 (Japan)
fredman (Brazil)
Tor (Croatia)

Group G
palace & proud (South Korea)
Hang the D J (Togo)
Shamone (France)
richdeniro (Switzerland)

Group H
Ian Hart (Spain)
paf (Ukraine)
DaveCPFC4Life (Tunisia)
Men At Work (Saudi Arabia)

Finbar
26-05-2006, 06:52 AM
Nice one Stig, can't wait!!

si1965
26-05-2006, 01:36 PM
If I had to choose a 'Group of Death' it would be a close call between B and C, but I think C because there are three of us who usually bet football
(sorry Drunkeagle :D).

Funk Butter
26-05-2006, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by si1965
If I had to choose a 'Group of Death' it would be a close call between B and C, but I think C because there are three of us who usually bet football
(sorry Drunkeagle :D).
The Group of Death is any group I'm in. But not because its difficult or anything. Is it too early for:

Bet 1:
Group Stage Points Parlay at Bet365
T&T (under 1pt)
Ukraine (over 5pts)
Germany (over 7pts)
Serbia (under 3pts)

10 points returns 350.70

Are we going to start a new thread for the actual competition? Separate threads for each group? New forum topic?

Stigma
27-05-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Funk Butter


Are we going to start a new thread for the actual competition? Separate threads for each group? New forum topic?

Think it would be a bit much with 8 different threads (+ we might lost some of the "banter" if we did?)!!?

Men At Work
28-05-2006, 01:41 AM
P(n) = ?ne-? over n! is the formula for World Cup success according to http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1784799,00.html?gusrc=rss

I think I'm going to need all the help I can get.

Stigma
28-05-2006, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Men At Work
P(n) = ?ne-? over n! is the formula for World Cup success according to http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1784799,00.html?gusrc=rss

I think I'm going to need all the help I can get.


Ahh good to know...money as good as in the bank already..:cool:

Stigma
28-05-2006, 08:23 PM
Nice to see "My team" Costa Rica struggling. Going down 4-0! to the Ukraine today, in the previous game they managed to lose to Iran...going to be a hard couple of games for them!!

ozeagle
29-05-2006, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by si1965
If I had to choose a 'Group of Death' it would be a close call between B and C, but I think C because there are three of us who usually bet football
(sorry Drunkeagle :D).


agree. group of death, group b,

be nice to see who can go through with me.

i'm tipping Johnson.

:hmph:

si1965
31-05-2006, 10:30 AM
I know it is a last minute suggestion but:

Given the limited betting opportunities at the end of the WC i.e. two matches. What if all participants placed 1 or 2 tournament bets - there are loads out there, not just Golden boot. However, they only come into play if you are one of the 4 'finalists'.

Stigma
31-05-2006, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by si1965
I know it is a last minute suggestion but:

Given the limited betting opportunities at the end of the WC i.e. two matches. What if all participants placed 1 or 2 tournament bets - there are loads out there, not just Golden boot. However, they only come into play if you are one of the 4 'finalists'.

I was at one point thinking about adding an extra ”who do you think will win” bet, but your proposals is much better, given the (as you say) limited number of games in the last couple of rounds.

I would suggest betting on the World Cup winner and the top scorer?? Those would perhaps be the most appropriate bets??
Every player has to mention which bookie they got there odds from and so on.
For example (and this is by ALL MEANS just an example:o )

My 2 long-term bets:
1. Winner: Australia 100/1 with ladbrokes

2. Top scorer: Popovic 100000/1 with..

ozeagle
31-05-2006, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Stigma
My 2 long-term bets:
1. Winner: Australia 100/1 with ladbrokes

2. Top scorer: Popovic 100000/1 with..

nailed on.

:lux:

Men At Work
31-05-2006, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
2. Top scorer: Popovic 100000/1 with..

If own goals count then that's Goldmine material.

Jim Cannons Moustache
31-05-2006, 12:10 PM
Stig before it starts maybe worth starting a new thread with the rules on the first post.

I've lost track of what the rules are...and I thought of most of them! ;) :o

fredman
31-05-2006, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by ozeagle
on behalf of fredman, he's in.

Thanks Oz:love:

si1965
31-05-2006, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
I was at one point thinking about adding an extra ”who do you think will win” bet, but your proposals is much better, given the (as you say) limited number of games in the last couple of rounds.
I would suggest betting on the World Cup winner and the top scorer?? Those would perhaps be the most appropriate bets??

I was thinking of not just limiting people to these two options but any of the available tournament bets (this list is by no means comprehensive):

Top Goalscorer
Continent of Winner
Group With Most Goals
Group with least Goals
Name the Finalists
New Winner?
Player Of The Tournament
To Reach Final
Top Goalscorer/Winning Team Double
Winning Group
To Score A Hat-Trick
Largest Winning Margin
Most Bookings (Group Stages)
Most Goals Conceded
Team To Score In First 2 Minutes
Team To Score In First 3 Minutes
Total Corners
Total Fouls
Total Own Goals
Total Sending Offs
Tournament Total Goals (90 Mins Only)
Tournament Total Goals (Inc ET)
Total Cards
Tournament Yellow Cards
Best Young Player
City With Most Goals
Highest Scoring Club
Premiership Combined Team Goals
Premiership Highest Scoring Club
Team To Concede The Least Goals
Team To Concede The Most Goals
Team To Score the Most Goals
The World Cup Final to be won on a penalty shoot-out
Top La Liga & Serie A Goalscorer
Top La Liga Goalscorer
Top Serie A Goalscorer
Total Matches to Reach Extra Time
Total Number Of Penalty Shoot-Outs
Total Tournament Headed Goals
Total Tournament Own Goals
Total Tournament Substitute Goals
Tournament Fastest Goal
Converted Penalties
Brazil or Portugal to win the World Cup
Czech Republic Croatia Ukraine or Poland to win the World Cup
England USA or Australia to win the World Cup
Europe v Rest Of World Winner
Germany Italy or Japan to win the World Cup
Germany Italy Spain or Portugal to win the World Cup
Germany or Argentina to win the World Cup
Top AC Milan World Cup Goalscorer
Top Arsenal World Cup Goalscorer
Top Barcelona World Cup Goalscorer
Top Bayern Munich World Cup Goalscorer
Top Chelsea World Cup Goalscorer
Top Juventus World Cup Goalscorer
Top Liverpool World Cup Goalscorer
Top Midfield Scorer
Top Premiership Goalscorer
Top Real Madrid World Cup Goalscorer

ozeagle
31-05-2006, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by fredman
Thanks Oz:love:


you know you and i, pair of schwulies.
:p

srs9jps
31-05-2006, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Stigma
I was at one point thinking about adding an extra ”who do you think will win” bet, but your proposals is much better, given the (as you say) limited number of games in the last couple of rounds.

I would suggest betting on the World Cup winner and the top scorer?? Those would perhaps be the most appropriate bets??
Every player has to mention which bookie they got there odds from and so on.
For example (and this is by ALL MEANS just an example:o )

My 2 long-term bets:
1. Winner: Australia 100/1 with ladbrokes

2. Top scorer: Popovic 100000/1 with..

Sounds good, I'll kick off then with:

Winners - Italy @11.0 (Totesport)
Top Scorer - Torres @34.0 (Stan James)

Stigma
31-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by si1965
I was thinking of not just limiting people to these two options but any of the available tournament bets (this list is by no means comprehensive):

Top Goalscorer
Continent of Winner

Most Goals Conceded
Team To Score In First 2 Minutes
Team To Score In First 3 Minutes
Total Corners
Total Fouls
Total Own Goals
Total Sending Offs
Tournament Total Goals (90 Mins Only)
Tournament Total Goals (Inc ET)
Total Cards
Tournament Yellow Cards
Best Young Player
City With Most Goals
Highest Scoring Club
Premiership Combined Team Goals
Premiership Highest Scoring Club
Team To Concede The Least Goals
Team To Concede The Most Goals
Team To Score the Most Goals
The World Cup Final to be won on a penalty shoot-out
Top La Liga & Serie A Goalscorer
Top La Liga Goalscorer
Top Serie A Goalscorer
Total Matches to Reach Extra Time
Total Number Of Penalty Shoot-Outs
Total Tournament Headed Goals
Total Tournament Own Goals
Total Tournament Substitute Goals
Tournament Fastest Goal
Converted Penalties
Brazil or Portugal to win the World Cup
Czech Republic Croatia Ukraine or Poland to win the World Cup
England USA or Australia to win the World Cup
Europe v Rest Of World Winner
Germany Italy or Japan to win the World Cup
Germany Italy Spain or Portugal to win the World Cup
Germany or Argentina to win the World Cup
Top AC Milan World Cup Goalscorer
Top Arsenal World Cup Goalscorer
Top Barcelona World Cup Goalscorer
Top Bayern Munich World Cup Goalscorer
Top Chelsea World Cup Goalscorer
Top Juventus World Cup Goalscorer
Top Liverpool World Cup Goalscorer
Top Midfield Scorer
Top Premiership Goalscorer
Top Real Madrid World Cup Goalscorer


Yeah I know there are an X number of bets to do on it (must be the biggest ever betting event in the World this!).
The thing though with the winner and top scorer bets are that those are easy for people to follow and also events that last for the entire tournament. Betting on group things for example would (in my mind) be a bit strange, if they win then you have to remember them until you eventually get to the final and so on.
Group bets can be done with the normal bets (round 1 last until the end of the group stage) and so on. The two bets I suggested lasts for the entire tournament and can’t be done with the regular round bets..
I don’t know if that makes sense. (as always IF there’s a big surge for betting on anything, I will bow down. If 5+ people want it then..yeah..).

I have also come to the conclusion that a new thread is needed. Will start one soon.

Strathclyde Eagle
31-05-2006, 07:39 PM
Thread title changed at Stig's request. :)

Stigma
01-06-2006, 04:51 PM
Thanks:p

New thread started now..have a look there:

http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133460

Can those that have placed bets on this thread, put them on that one (Funk, srs9jps..).