Beckham Resigns as England Captain... [Archive]

davematt

02-07-2006, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by st albans
i don't care what people say about him i think he's been a great captain and you could see today just how much it meant to him

Agree 200%.

Right decision from Becks and my respect for the man has grown more.

Time now to give the armband to John Terry, the heart of this England side.

Melfort Eagle

02-07-2006, 10:16 AM

Beckham may have been aging and not playing very well, but I thought he was a good role model not just in the changing room, but to every small child who loves football.

anti-addick

02-07-2006, 10:16 AM

I've always liked the David Beckham post 98 world cup, both as a player and a person. Thank you David.

cantspell

02-07-2006, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by davematt
Agree 200%.

Right decision from Becks and my respect for the man has grown more.

Time now to give the armband to John Terry, the heart of this England side. Spot on Davematt and St Albans

mik59

02-07-2006, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by davematt
Time now to give the armband to John Terry, the heart of this England side. I vote for Gerrard

007

02-07-2006, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by mik59
I vote for Gerrard
same here

MATTY THE EAGLE

02-07-2006, 10:21 AM

Taylor said he was more intrested in who he was going to make Palace Captain.

And so say all of us.

02-07-2006, 10:22 AM

Gerrard please

palace & proud

02-07-2006, 10:22 AM

David Beckham has decided to step down as England captain after holding the role for six years.
But the Real Madrid star does want to to continue his international career.

Beckham revealed his decision at England's final press conference in Germany in the wake of their World Cup quarter-final defeat by Portugal.

The 31-year-old midfielder said: "I feel the time is right to pass on the armband as we enter a new era under new coach Steve McClaren."

Godstone Eagle

02-07-2006, 10:23 AM

Becks handled himself with great dignity...loads of respect for him.

Has got to be JT as captain.

davematt

02-07-2006, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by mik59
I vote for Gerrard

To be fair, I would not argue with that choice either. Both would be great captains. If Steve Mclaren gives it to Michael Owen, I will cry.

Stonewall

02-07-2006, 10:23 AM

'Bout time, and can he retire from Football compleatly

Scifo

02-07-2006, 10:25 AM

Bet Neville get's it tho.

beef

02-07-2006, 10:27 AM

I've really enjoyed having Beckham as captain, he has been an inspirational footballer for England but after yesterday I feel the time is right for him to step down.

Stonewall

02-07-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by beef
I've really enjoyed having Beckham as captain, he has been an inspirational footballer for England Since when has he been inspirational?:rolleyes:

Stonewall

02-07-2006, 10:30 AM

Sussex Eagle

02-07-2006, 10:32 AM

The real question is whether this is his own decision or McClaren's work - I'm chuffed if it is the latter, as it would at least show the new manager to be a bit more of a man than the previous one.

3rd_Lion

02-07-2006, 10:33 AM

Probably the Greece qualifier....apart from that he has been IMO just a standard captain.

welshneil

02-07-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by MATTY THE EAGLE
Taylor said he was more intrested in who he was going to make Palace Captain.

And so say all of us.
:p :p :p

GDP

02-07-2006, 10:37 AM

Fair play to Beckham. He has put the good of the team before his own personal ambitions and its definatly the correct decision. To be honest, If McClaren doesn't pick his team on reputation, Beckham will be struggling with Lennon coming through so strongly.

John Terry for England captain.

Travelcard

02-07-2006, 10:44 AM

Terry has not had a good world cup - so to name him would leave England in the same position of having a captain who may not always be good enough to make the first 11 on merit alone. I think that it has to be Gerrard - but only if he is allowed to play the same way that he plays for Liverpool.

Lee Badbuy

02-07-2006, 10:51 AM

Very honourable and said with great feeling but I wish That empty suit and con man of a manager had made the decision for him months ago so we would not have had the siuation where him Lampard and other non performing superstars could not be axed.

RickyB

02-07-2006, 10:54 AM

good. ••••••• cock-swipe.

lordanton

02-07-2006, 10:56 AM

You cannot say that Beckham didn't have some outstanding games as our leader. The run up to last World Cup i think it was when he was just everywhere against Finland and Greece etc. Its ashame he has never been able to recreate those efforts, but I think he has been a top top player and I wouldn't have wanetd anyone else as captain.

Freddy Kurz

02-07-2006, 11:00 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BLUE BOY
Good, hope John Terry is made captain. [/QUOTE

Beckham had good leadership qualities but his individualism
has been preventing England playing flowing, attacking
football. Gerrard is capable of playing a more free-
flowing midfield role than Beckham, and combining this
with the ability to deliver good quality delivery from
set pieces and on the run. Lennon should be
played regularly wide-right in place of Beckham.

Terry is a fine, inspirational player but his serious gambling
habit hardly makes him the ideal role-model for Britain's
football-loving youth, I fear.

Loyal Supporter

02-07-2006, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Stonewall
Since when has he been inspirational?:rolleyes:

He won the game single handedly against Greece in the 2004 qualifiers. Even before the free kick, he was the only player on the park it seemed.

Young Trolley

02-07-2006, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Stonewall
'Bout time, and can he retire from Football compleatly

That's well out of order IMO. Beckham as been fantastic for us over the years and I believe certainly for the next 2 in the lead up to the Euro's can still offer the Squad something. He's handled himself with dignity as he always has done actually and is an excellent role model for those of us with young boys who look up to the England captain.

That is a pathetic comment and I just cannot understand why you have this attitude, perhaps you'd care to elaborate? I take it you didn't cheer then when he scored the free kick against Greece? The free kick against Equador? The penalty against Argentina? :rolleyes:

yourname00

02-07-2006, 11:39 AM

Still a great player, credit to him thinking about the team before himself, if he quit from international football completely I would be disappointed. This shows he's still willing to fight for his place.

Also perhaps it's another thing Sven is to blame for, maybe Steve Mclaren will be able to get the best from Beckham.

Stonewall

02-07-2006, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Loyal Supporter
He won the game single handedly against Greece in the 2004 qualifiers. Even before the free kick, he was the only player on the park it seemed. one game thats it? A captain should be at all times on and of the pitch.

Te Pouakai

02-07-2006, 11:53 AM

My vote would be for John Terry - as good as a fourth lion on the shirt, and one you can count on to roar with pride and unfailing endeavour on the pitch as captain without a single "off day."

sydney eagle

02-07-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by st albans
i don't care what people say about him i think he's been a great captain and you could see today just how much it meant to him absolutely, a bloke who always gave 100%...also a true sign of a team player to step down when it was needed as opposed to running out the days

Well played Becks

sydney eagle

02-07-2006, 12:00 PM

and gerrard should be captain now, Not Terry

Sussex Eagle

02-07-2006, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Loyal Supporter
He won the game single handedly against Greece in the 2004 qualifiers. Even before the free kick, he was the only player on the park it seemed.
That was the 2002 qualifiers in fact. And the game itself was in 2001. He has been living off that ever since. Never performed at a tournament for England, he has never been the player that the hype machine made out and was captain about 4 years too long.

Paul Romain

02-07-2006, 12:14 PM

I'm not really interested in performances or ability. Beckham is not responsible for his own selection. I am only interested in application and dedication when a player is wearing the shirt, whether it be a Palace shirt or an England shirt - as long as a player wears the shirt with pride and plays to the best of his ability he'll never be criticised by me.

Beckham has been an outstanding captain and servant of his country. He learned from his own mistake against Argentina, dealt with some fierce abuse directed at both him and his family from fans all over the country - and came through it all with dignity to forge a fine reputation both here and abroad - and has proved one of the very few successes of English players to have played club football abroad (much to the surprise of many). He has won the vast majority of fans over and is rightly regarded as a role model for young players in the way he plays the game and the way he conducts himself off the pitch.

He deserved better really than to finish his stint as captain unable to lead the team on the pitch to the end and to have to watch the side defeated again. It is much to his credit that he recovered from his own disappointment to still be leading from the sidelines yesterday. He has been one of the more impressive captains in my lifetime and I find it disappointing that some people can't see past the fact that he hasn't been among the great players too and recognise the contribution that he has made

I.Flyer

02-07-2006, 12:14 PM

I agree with you SE 100%.

Ever since his sending off way back Beckham has conducted himself very well and giving him the captaincy was inspirational. However everything has a time span and I believe it is time for a change.

007

02-07-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Young Trolley
That's well out of order IMO. Beckham as been fantastic for us over the years and I believe certainly for the next 2 in the lead up to the Euro's can still offer the Squad something. He's handled himself with dignity as he always has done actually and is an excellent role model for those of us with young boys who look up to the England captain.

That is a pathetic comment and I just cannot understand why you have this attitude, perhaps you'd care to elaborate? I take it you didn't cheer then when he scored the free kick against Greece? The free kick against Equador? The penalty against Argentina? :rolleyes:

spot on agree with everything,

beckham is a massive role model and he has proved again what a great bloke he is by not retiring completly. i hope he is still around for the Euro's and also hope he will play in England again. Beckham is a top bloke

petertaylor11

02-07-2006, 12:20 PM

An inevitable decision made with honour and dignity. He's been a good captain. Good luck to him in the future.
After he came off he must have known he would never captain a trophy winning side. That's gotta hurt.

Martin H

02-07-2006, 12:28 PM

Really can't see Terry as a captain at the moment. The captain has to have the passion, personal leadership qualities and stature but he also surely has to be one of the first 4 on the team sheet.

For me I think he misses the mark on two levels.

Although I think he is awesome at club level I am not sure he has 'the extra class' necessary at International level. There is something extra that you expect and need. I am not doubting his current inclusion, just its longevity and his qualification as captain.

I am not sure he has the leadership qualities that the whole team can look up to. There is no doubt about his desire to win, his resilience etc.

Gerard would be my choice. And thinking about it, by quite a long way.

westsussexeagle

02-07-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by lordanton
You cannot say that Beckham didn't have some outstanding games as our leader. The run up to last World Cup i think it was when he was just everywhere against Finland and Greece etc. Its ashame he has never been able to recreate those efforts, but I think he has been a top top player and I wouldn't have wanetd anyone else as captain.

Agree entirely. There was a time as you mention where Beckham was England. I thought it odd that he thanked the press who have either been red hot or iciliy cold towards him starting with the Argentina sending off in 98 through to this year's tournament and calls for his head. As to his successor it looks to be between Gerrard, Terry and Lampard and perhaps in that order.

Oliver Varcoe

02-07-2006, 01:00 PM

He deserves to lift a trophy for his country before he retires

adrenalin john

02-07-2006, 01:26 PM

The other part about being a captain is dealing with the media, Beckham always put his head above the parapet and never ducked.

Gerrard over Terry for me.

gjtango

02-07-2006, 01:34 PM

Gerrard. I wouldn't even mind Neville, but not too sure how he'd command from right-back.

Lee Badbuy

02-07-2006, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by sydney eagle
and gerrard should be captain now, Not Terry

100% agree I like and rate Terry but he is too close to the celbrity club of Cole, Cole lampard and the rest of the useless posers
give me Gerrard a real man and leader I cant ever recall ever seeing him or his "wag" in the press for anything other than football reasons

yourname00

02-07-2006, 01:51 PM

What about Rio? Different sort of captain to a Terry, but still has that blood and guts attitude as well. I thought he was one of our best players whole tournament and outstanding yesterday.

m355y

02-07-2006, 02:12 PM

A great captain and all all round good guy in a sport that really needs them. I really like DB and think he's been a very good captain over the years. Also glad he's not retiring from international football - hopefully he'll still be good enough to make the team on merit rather than being an automatic first choice.

You could see how much this meant to him. A well timed decision made with great dignity, well done David.

I'd have to say Gerrard now, clear choice.

jamesyg0

02-07-2006, 02:13 PM

Terry just over Gerrard. Noone else comes close

limited_edition

02-07-2006, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
That was the 2002 qualifiers in fact. And the game itself was in 2001. He has been living off that ever since. Never performed at a tournament for England. Very true. The only good game I can remember him having in any tournament was v Columbia in France '98. Becks generally saves his good England performances for qualifiers or friendlies.

Gerrard as capt. Put Hargreaves alongside him for protection in a 4-4-2 and watch Stevie G lead by example like he does with Liverpool.

CHE

02-07-2006, 02:18 PM

philsick

02-07-2006, 02:19 PM

Gooid riddance beckham & sven,never true leaders.Beckham lost my respect when he jumped out of the challenge and brazil equalised,terrible example to teamates.
got to be gerrard.

donners89

02-07-2006, 02:27 PM

2015

terry over gerrard i think

mouseboy

02-07-2006, 02:30 PM

I want JT to get it

Essexeagle

02-07-2006, 03:23 PM

Beckham may have given 100%, but surely most people wondered if he should be in the side over the past year or two.

That isn't captain material, but its not his fault. Sven should have had the courage to drop him.

TC.EAGLE!

02-07-2006, 04:09 PM

During his press conference he thanked and mentioned Peter Taylor on two occasions, so it appears there was a good bond with Beckham when he was caretaker manager. Perhaps he will come to Palace after Real Madrid:o

westsussexeagle

02-07-2006, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by philsick
Gooid riddance beckham & sven,never true leaders.Beckham lost my respect when he jumped out of the challenge and brazil equalised,terrible example to teamates.
got to be gerrard.

It's a bit harsh to condemn a man for pulling out of one tackle especially when he was only just - and really only just - coming back from having a broken foot. I wonder what your thoughts are on Rooney now? Is he condemned forever?

richdeniro

02-07-2006, 04:26 PM

The thing with Terry is we don't know whether or not he will be good enough to keep his role over the next few years.

Lets be fair he is only one of the first choice centre-backs because he is playing at Chelsea.

If you were to swap roles with, say Dawson at Spurs, I reckon Dawson would be chosen ahead of him because Dawson would look just as good with Makelele playing just in front of him.

donners89

02-07-2006, 05:01 PM

what kind of absolute muppet would give beckham the captaincy in the first place?? oh yeah, peter taylor....

Selhurst Celtic

02-07-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Paul Romain

He deserved better really than to finish his stint as captain unable to lead the team on the pitch to the end and to have to watch the side defeated again.

A conspiracy theory is that he was told he was being substituted at half time as he wasn't performing and they wanted to try Lennon but he engineered an opportunity to come off with an 'injury' to save face.

I don't believe that he wrote that speech as he claims either.

And I wouldn't be so fast to place a laurel of role model on him either. Numerous affairs exposed to his wife and children? Outbursts of petulance on the pitch?
The only thing he should be a role model to is crossing a football which he is, at times, the best in the world at.

Who for the next england captain? Wayne Rooney. A history of affairs and now a red card in a major tournament means a case of better the devil you know.

;) :o

YoUnGaCpFc

02-07-2006, 05:32 PM

hell change his mind soon anough come in with a shock return same old publicity making people feel sorry for him ... quite clever if u ask me

kolinkins

02-07-2006, 06:07 PM

Terry? Are people having a laugh?

Gerrard all the way.

917L

02-07-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by TC.EAGLE!
Perhaps he will come to Palace after Real Madrid:o

When SSN interviewed PT this morning he said that he would like to sign him as Palce captain(tongue in cheek of course)

Scarface

02-07-2006, 06:33 PM

Stand up John Terry! He’s got all the right attributes to be a quality captain for En-ger-land! I really hope he gets the honor! :lux:

limited_edition

02-07-2006, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by kolinkins
Terry? Are people having a laugh?

Gerrard all the way. To be England capt, it helps if you lead by example by performing consistently well in an England shirt. That rules out the most overrated international defender in the universe, JT.

kolinkins

02-07-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by limited_edition
To be England capt, it helps if you lead by example by performing consistently well in an England shirt. That rules out the most overrated international defender in the universe, JT.

Spot on, with our backs to the wall, like yesterday, we was very good. But thats not the usual way of international footy.

Gerrard should be the first name on the team sheet, and as such, given his record at Liverpool, should be captain.

cpfc4ever

02-07-2006, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by st albans
i don't care what people say about him i think he's been a great captain and you could see today just how much it meant to him

Totaly agree, really like the guy, atleast hes honest!

Jack Regan

03-07-2006, 09:43 AM

Look, it's obvious.

Beckham knows full well that McLaren wants to make his mark now that he's manager. He knows McLaren well enough to know that he doesn't rate him as a captain, so he resigned rather that get 'stripped' of the captaincy.

He's got numerous corporate sponsors to keep happy. That's the main thing.

davematt

03-07-2006, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by kolinkins
Terry? Are people having a laugh?

Gerrard all the way.

You know where I stand on this! :D

For me it has to be JT, but I would be happy with either. Both would make great England Captains.

grey ghost

03-07-2006, 09:55 AM

think he has done well for england as captain and you could tell how much it meant to him .
i think he realises that his being captain limited the team in as much as he wasnt going to be subbed , and he has done a very honourable thing in stepping down .
also it hopefully will take the pressure off him a little and he can get back to top form , though i am of the opinion that there are better options now in his position it would be nice to see him make 100 caps .

role model on the football field yes , off the field well no .

weltklasse

03-07-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Stonewall
'Bout time, and can he retire from Football compleatly

prat:rolleyes:

weltklasse

03-07-2006, 01:21 PM

smileysmith

03-07-2006, 01:26 PM

Gerrad must be the new Captain.

So long and thanks for trying Becks.

selhurstparkflyer

03-07-2006, 01:29 PM

The only three established players that came out of that tournament with any credit were

1. Ferdinand, who is a drug felon.
2. Gary Neville, purely because he didn't play most games and is also getting old.
3. Ashley Cole.

It follows then that Mr Cole should be captian. And I like defenders as captians. They are facing the right way to see what's going on.

03-07-2006, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by selhurstparkflyer
The only three established players that came out of that tournament with any credit were

1. Ferdinand, who is a drug felon.
2. Gary Neville, purely because he didn't play most games and is also getting old.
3. Ashley Cole.

It follows then that Mr Cole should be captian. And I like defenders as captians. They are facing the right way to see what's going on.

Bit harsh on Joe Cole and John Terry (that one header v Equador aside).

swissroll

03-07-2006, 03:40 PM

An England captain (or any other Captain for that matter) has to be an automatic choice to play for 90 minutes. He's the link between the management and the players. Thats why SGE ended up with so many problems with Beckham, he couldnt take him off.

Terry is neither world class (too slow, awful distribution) nor an automatic for selection once the likes of Ledley King come into the equation. Gerrard is a leader, an automatic selection (and once Lampard is dropped will be able to play his best game) therefore gets my vote.

limited_edition

03-07-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by swissroll
Terry is neither world class (too slow, awful distribution) nor an automatic for selection once the likes of Ledley King come into the equation. Gerrard is a leader, an automatic selection (and once Lampard is dropped will be able to play his best game) therefore gets my vote. Gerrard can do equally well in a number of roles - centre mid, right mid as he does for Liverpool with Alonso and Sissoko in the middle, and just off the frontman or frontmen. Stevie G filled in very well in extra time on the left of midfield to cover A. Cole when Ronaldo was giving him problems. Therefore, he's far, far more important to England than Terry.

swissroll

03-07-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Selhurst Celtic
A conspiracy theory is that he was told he was being substituted at half time as he wasn't performing and they wanted to try Lennon but he engineered an opportunity to come off with an 'injury' to save face.

I don't believe that he wrote that speech as he claims either.

No conspiracy - he was signalled to come off in the second half and asked for five more minutes then had his injury.
As to his speech, of course he didnt write it, the FA have their own communications and media guy who does all that stuff - cant remember his name. Beckham has his own press fixer on the books too and they would unquestionably have been involved.