Matt Lawrence joins from Millwall [official] [Archive] - Page 2

celery stick

02-08-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Shipp Ahoy!
God I don't think Palace fans have ever been so depressing :rolleyes:

I'm just happy we have signed players.

BTW how the fck can these players be BAD SIGNINGS when they haven't even played a game for us yet? It's amazing!!

When they are crap and have played shite for us and leave they become bad signings! So if these "bad signings" are awesome for us and take us into the Premier then well... you see my point.

Originally posted by KungFuCharlie
An excellent squad signing. PT is building an injury-proofed squad, which is exactly what we need. People needs to stop fecking moaning just because we didn't get Roberto Carlos.

Well said.

Lawrence will strengthen the squad.
We need this type of player over a 46 game plus season.

Welcome to the Palace Matt!

Neckinger Eagle

02-08-2006, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Neil the Eagle
Good, it was completely bloody stupid to bow down to superstition like that.

Agreed!

Found this from his old college:

http://www.hartwick.edu/x17957.xml

I like the bit about "places him on one of the strongest sides in that league" and also "Millwall Lions"!

C'mon Matt!

Benzhiyi

02-08-2006, 07:28 PM

Can I once again say give the bloke a frickin' chance, please?

And by that I mean at least 15-20 games before anyone passes proper judgement on whether Lawrence is any cop or not.

Sometimes if I wonder if an element of our support wants certain players to fail. :bash:

limited_edition

02-08-2006, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Benzhiyi
Can I once again say give the bloke a frickin' chance, please?

And by that I mean at least 15-20 games before anyone passes proper judgement on whether Lawrence is any cop or not.
That's not loud enough for some people on here. Not me I hasten to add. I fully support getting in cover for central defence and right back.

celery stick

02-08-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Benzhiyi
Can I once again say give the bloke a frickin' chance, please?

And by that I mean at least 15-20 games before anyone passes proper judgement on whether Lawrence is any cop or not.

Sometimes if I wonder if an element of our support wants certain players to fail. :bash:

Here frickin here!

kolinkins

02-08-2006, 08:01 PM

Happy with this signing. Need an old head in this division. Plus he can cover 2 or 3 positions. The sort to get the best out of others. A bit of a Pops (leadership) and Leggy (versatility) all rolled into one. Uninspiring? Yes. But thats what gets you out of this division

Celestial Empire

02-08-2006, 08:12 PM

I doubt Lawro will be "cover", more like the defensive option when defending a lead / playing stronger teams.

DeadPanX

02-08-2006, 08:24 PM

All in all good solid no-nonense uninspiring low-key signings. It's not the individuals that makes us inspiring it's the team. We to be as tough as anything to get out of this rock of a division now. At let we have some much needed height, balance and toughness in the squad now.

All we need to do now is to cut out the rest of the deadweight and sign a couple more players....

Looking forward to this season, will reserve my judgement till 12-15 games into the season. It's ridiculous to start judging the team before they have kicked a ball. But that's the BBS sometime from the ridiculous to the sublime...

imashed

02-08-2006, 08:44 PM

welcome matt we need a real man on the field for hughsie when he is rested

Jay_Palace

02-08-2006, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by imashed
welcome matt we need a real man on the field for hughsie when he is rested

Hughsie isn't going to get much of a look in the team, not with Fletch being significantly younger and arguably a more talented player [just ask what the Whammers think of him].

Good to have him as a squad player though.

cpfc_spc1982

02-08-2006, 09:16 PM

cant get excited about someone who was apparantly very bad last year and had a bad attitude. im not gonna right him off but having recieved over 10m in transfers out its disappointing that we are only picking up average free transfers from millwall even as squad players.

Andy Gray's FA Cup shirt

02-08-2006, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Andy Gray's FA Cup shirt
On a slightly different note, but a dodgy rumour from the football rumours website today:

"matt lawrence of millwall to crystal palace for 325,000. wait and see..!!
"

Any thoughts? Supposedly him and Ward were excellent together ?

I posted the above on the Dodgy Rumours III thread on 29th June. Interesting......;)

Whoever put that on the rumour site back in June was either very good at guessing or has a pretty good source!

glaziers fan

03-08-2006, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by cpfc_spc1982
cant get excited about someone who was apparantly very bad last year and had a bad attitude. im not gonna right him off but having recieved over 10m in transfers out its disappointing that we are only picking up average free transfers from millwall even as squad players.

exactly. I would rather we signed no-one and used the money when we reached the premiership, or signed someone who at least has a chance of being promising and premiership class in the future. Even if we get out of this division, we will come straight back down cos you cant change 11 players and get them to gel all in one season. Of our team now, the only 2 players who have a chance of being Premeiership class are Soares and Watson. That is worrying.

Ps. Sheff Utd are certs for relegation for this very reason. Reading and Watford on the oter hand have youngsters who might make the step up. Yes they are unproven, but at least they are not proven to be not good enough.

cdm61

03-08-2006, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Andy Gray's FA Cup shirt
Whoever put that on the rumour site back in June was either very good at guessing or has a pretty good source!

You've more sauce than Heinz....

200 grand on a 32 year old crock of shit from the Marsh Lands...sorry this one is too far. You must be able to get a better deal from another breakers yard in New Cross for ••••s sake?

arussell

03-08-2006, 08:09 AM

Lawrence is no-where near as bad as some people on here are making out, and I think people need to realise he's been signed as cover.

Have seen him many times in the past. If there was a Palace player I could compare him to it would probably be Marc Edworthy.

Which means he'll be fine and bombing forward, but sometimes caught napping at the back !

Absolution

03-08-2006, 08:12 AM

Decent enough cover 2nd right back, and 4th centre back. Defence sorted numbers wise?

David of Kent

03-08-2006, 01:13 PM

Just been sent the attached from one of my Millwall "friends"!!

www.hof.org.uk/shaggysoccerskills.html

forsells no1 fan

03-08-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by David of Kent
Just been sent the attached from one of my Millwall "friends"!!

www.hof.org.uk/shaggysoccerskills.html

:D

nookiebear

03-08-2006, 03:39 PM

What exactly is wrong with this signing?

On a free, and knows the Championship back-to front. Good business by Taylor

Much better than spunking almost £1m on Hudson, a player who’s hardly played since we bought him, or Ward, a player who’s failed to live up to expectations despite the massive fee

Lawrence isn’t here to dazzle the fans with a big transfer fee, or be a bright young thing for the future. He’s here as cover, nothing more. It’s a bit of a no-brainer, really.

Harry Holmesdale

03-08-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by nookiebear
What exactly is wrong with this signing?

On a free, and knows the Championship back-to front. Good business by Taylor

Much better than spunking almost £1m on Hudson, a player who’s hardly played since we bought him, or Ward, a player who’s failed to live up to expectations despite the massive fee

Lawrence isn’t here to dazzle the fans with a big transfer fee, or be a bright young thing for the future. He’s here as cover, nothing more. It’s a bit of a no-brainer, really.

Nice one mate, not sure what it is, the fan of today, instant communication with the internet, high expectations or what but lately a number of fans expect the Nugents and other so called 'big name' players to arrive, from my 25 years of watching Palace I have rarely seen a name perform, I love the unknown signings

brooklynlou

03-08-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by glaziers fan
exactly. I would rather we signed no-one and used the money when we reached the premiership, or signed someone who at least has a chance of being promising and premiership class in the future. Even if we get out of this division, we will come straight back down cos you cant change 11 players and get them to gel all in one season. Of our team now, the only 2 players who have a chance of being Premeiership class are Soares and Watson. That is worrying.

Ps. Sheff Utd are certs for relegation for this very reason. Reading and Watford on the oter hand have youngsters who might make the step up. Yes they are unproven, but at least they are not proven to be not good enough.

Should we ever get promoted ...

-------------Flinders---------------
???? --- Cort -- Ward --- ?????
--------------Fletcher-------------
McNuff ----- Watson ---- ?????
-------- (Danug) - ????? --------

You already have a decent core. You potentially with Watson, Soares, Fletcher and Jobi have a very solid midfield.

limited_edition

03-08-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by brooklynlou
Should we ever get promoted ...

-------------Flinders---------------
???? --- Cort -- Ward --- ?????
--------------Fletcher-------------
McNuff ----- Watson ---- ?????
-------- (Danug) - ????? --------

You already have a decent core. You potentially with Watson, Soares, Fletcher and Jobi have a very solid midfield. Ward in the Premiership scares the living crap out of me. In fact, he often scares the living crap out of me in the CCC.

David of Kent

03-08-2006, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Harry Holmesdale
Nice one mate, not sure what it is, the fan of today, instant communication with the internet, high expectations or what but lately a number of fans expect the Nugents and other so called 'big name' players to arrive, from my 25 years of watching Palace I have rarely seen a name perform, I love the unknown signings

I agree. Anyone who hasn't seen Brian Bason or Steve Galliers playing for CPFC has no right to complain ever :o

brooklynlou

03-08-2006, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by limited_edition
Ward in the Premiership scares the living crap out of me. In fact, he often scares the living crap out of me in the CCC.

I'm giving Ward a pass. He played very well in the beginning of the season then thanks to the tactical genius that was ID, playing more upfront where he just failed miserable. He is not designed for that. We'll get a fairly solid idea if he is EPL worthy this year under PT.

SpikeyMatt

03-08-2006, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by David of Kent
Just been sent the attached from one of my Millwall "friends"!!

www.hof.org.uk/shaggysoccerskills.html

:o

Dartford Lad

03-08-2006, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by arussell
Lawrence is no-where near as bad as some people on here are making out, and I think people need to realise he's been signed as cover.

Have seen him many times in the past. If there was a Palace player I could compare him to it would probably be Marc Edworthy.

Which means he'll be fine and bombing forward, but sometimes caught napping at the back !

I agree with you. He's very much like Edworthy from what I've seen.

I think it's a sensible signing. An experienced player who knows the Championship inside out and he's obviously a leader as he captained Millwall many times.
We had no versatility in defence after losing Leigertwood and Boyce so Lawrence gives us that.

He didn't cost us any money and was signed as back-up so why is everyone so down on him already?!..... :confused:

KP'S Nuts

20-08-2006, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
What makes you think Lawrence is Millwall "deadwood"? He is
still only 32, with vast experience, and versatility, being able to
play both at RIGHT back(not left) and centre back and looks an
ideal replacement for Boyce. He played regularly alongside
Ward in the centre of the Millwall defence and would be a
very useful addition to our first-team squad.

Flood is just 5' 6", weighing only 9st 11lbs and has no experience
of the Championship which is the most physical of all the Leagues
in Britain.

I see Willo Flood got a bit more "experience" in the championship today Freddy!:D

Young Trolley

12-09-2006, 10:06 PM

Taxi for Lawrence!!!!!!! :hi:

This guy is up there with Karic IMHO

nookiebear

13-09-2006, 12:22 AM

was shocking tonight

Cleon

13-09-2006, 07:11 AM

Exactly what I thought - the worse display by a Palace fullback since that barrell of turd Amir Karic "played" on our left side.

Millwall fans are laughing at us for signing this waste of space. I'd much rather have seen some 17-year old given the chance than waste the shirt on that •••• again.

Young Trolley

13-09-2006, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by Cleon
Exactly what I thought - the worse display by a Palace fullback since that barrell of turd Amir Karic "played" on our left side.

Millwall fans are laughing at us for signing this waste of space. I'd much rather have seen some 17-year old given the chance than waste the shirt on that •••• again. Exactly what I said at the game last night, rather have seen Fray given an opportunity if DB was that bad at Luton, let's hope we've seen the last of him!

sunshine lucas

13-09-2006, 07:35 AM

Dobbo

13-09-2006, 07:52 AM

Shocking debut. Definsively inept. Highlight was mid way through the second half, had the ball midfield; took far too long passing to an unmarked Borrowdale and then put it 5yards behind him for a throw-in. Get rid asap. If PT doesn't rate Butts, should have bought/loaned when he had the chance.

sydnsteve

13-09-2006, 08:20 AM

Pinkie Brown

13-09-2006, 08:28 AM

If I was Marc Edworthy I'd be looking up arussell address and go round there and give him a dry slap ;)

Pinkie Brown

13-09-2006, 08:29 AM

Lawrence looked like a Sunday league player to me and thats being harsh as I have seen pub players with more pace.

Pinkie Brown

13-09-2006, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by sydnsteve
Lawrence was the worst display at FB I can remember seeing at Selhurst. He simply had no positives to his game at all.

Sorry that is complete crap, 3rd worst behind Craig Harrison and Lee Sinnott ;)

Baron Greenback

13-09-2006, 08:42 AM

He was woeful last night, although from a distance, I think he looks a bit like Roy from Coronation Street. That can only be a plus.

sydnsteve

13-09-2006, 08:43 AM

I think Hairy Harrison was a good deal better unfortunately! Sinnott I'll give you.

davematt

13-09-2006, 08:49 AM

I did warn you all he was utter shite and a waste of money.

glaziers fan

13-09-2006, 10:29 AM

As did I.

Latvian Eagle

13-09-2006, 10:30 AM

As did I too!!!

glaziers fan

13-09-2006, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by arussell
Lawrence is no-where near as bad as some people on here are making out, and I think people need to realise he's been signed as cover.

Have seen him many times in the past. If there was a Palace player I could compare him to it would probably be Marc Edworthy.

Which means he'll be fine and bombing forward, but sometimes caught napping at the back !

What's all this 'cover' rubbish? He is worse than Fray! He adds nothing to the club except to the wage bill and commanding a transfer fee. What an utter waste of money. Complete rubbish. A league2 player.

At least Green is understandable waste of money - he is sleeping with PT's daughter. Who is Lawrence screwing?

'Cover' = not good enough for first team which equals not good enough FULL STOP. It doesn't cost much to get a defender who is competent at this level. FFS there are defenders on a free who are much better. Togwell is a better player. There are llots who are better. Glen Wilson. At least they may improve. Lawrence is, was and always will be a complete waste of time.

Typical Palace

13-09-2006, 11:54 AM

Why oh why do we top up these Millwall nomarks pensions when we could be investing in our own youths.

As for the suggestion re Edworthy - yes, he is that bad at defending.

Re bombing on - he looks unhappy everytime he gets near crossing the half way line, never looks interested in going forward. No pace whatsoever, quicksand feet.

Up there with the truly dreadful full back signings.

Bad thing is we'll be stuck with now. He'll be on a bob or two at his age.

Funny thing is I thought Butts was very poor at Luton, but a below par Butts is way above Hunchback Lawrence.

Panther

13-09-2006, 12:04 PM

I'm not seeking to defend Lawrence, who I agree looked awful on this showing, but he did have a massive gap in front of him (I'm talking about the first half when he was on my side of the pitch, not so easy to comment on the second). At one point Kennedy switched the ball across to him and there was no-one within fifty yards - our "wide right" midfield player having traipsed off into the centre yet again - with the result that Lawrence was hustled into giving away a throw-in. There were numerous other occasions when he got the ball and had no-one down the wing to pass to.

Ruskin Old Boy

13-09-2006, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by sydnsteve
I am going to have to treat your reserve reports with great suspicion if you really think that Lawrence is anything like Edworthy! Lawrence was the worst display at FB I can remember seeing at Selhurst. He simply had no positives to his game at all.

Nothing but nothing compares with Amir Karic, his was the worst I've seen in over 40 seasons.

Looked up the stats on Karic - he was substituted in the first half of his 3rd game, in the 38th minutes, Andrew Frampton taking his place. One report mentions "with the inexperienced left-back doing a better job than Karic had managed".

arussell

13-09-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by glaziers fan
What's all this 'cover' rubbish? He is worse than Fray! Togwell is a better player. There are llots who are better. Glen Wilson. At least they may improve. Lawrence is, was and always will be a complete waste of time.

And you've seen Fray how many times exactly ?

Togwell hasn't played right back for 4 years, and isn't with us anymore in case you hadn't noticed ?

Nor is Wilson, who has also never played at right back, as he's a central defender.

glaziers fan

13-09-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by arussell
And you've seen Fray how many times exactly ?

Togwell hasn't played right back for 4 years, and isn't with us anymore in case you hadn't noticed ?

Nor is Wilson, who has also never played at right back, as he's a central defender.

Seen Fray about 5 times. Enough to know he is better than Lawrence.

When i saw Togwell, I always thought he was decent. Definitely better than what I have seen of Lawrence.

Wilson was a joke, but merely to illustrate the point that our ex-youth players are more deserving of the money than Lawrence.

leesaw

14-09-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Panther
I'm not seeking to defend Lawrence, who I agree looked awful on this showing, but he did have a massive gap in front of him (I'm talking about the first half when he was on my side of the pitch, not so easy to comment on the second). At one point Kennedy switched the ball across to him and there was no-one within fifty yards - our "wide right" midfield player having traipsed off into the centre yet again - with the result that Lawrence was hustled into giving away a throw-in. There were numerous other occasions when he got the ball and had no-one down the wing to pass to.

I could not agree more with your comments, i also sit in the Arthur Waite and saw exactually what you have described.
He did have a poor debut but what is he to do without options infront of him.

Tom's Old Man

14-09-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Panther
I'm not seeking to defend Lawrence, who I agree looked awful on this showing, but he did have a massive gap in front of him (I'm talking about the first half when he was on my side of the pitch, not so easy to comment on the second). At one point Kennedy switched the ball across to him and there was no-one within fifty yards - our "wide right" midfield player having traipsed off into the centre yet again - with the result that Lawrence was hustled into giving away a throw-in. There were numerous other occasions when he got the ball and had no-one down the wing to pass to.
It's a fair comment. I thought he was bad by any standards, but the width to the right was non-existant. I think it was supposed to be Soares first half, who some people think was our best player (what a joke). But sorry PT, this guy Lawrence is a no-no.

Owngoal

14-09-2006, 05:04 PM

worst player in my 40 years of watching Palace, nutmegged himself - never want to see him play again

One Step Down

15-09-2006, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by Panther
I'm talking about the first half when he was on my side of the pitch

:eek:

Shipp Ahoy!

15-09-2006, 06:43 AM

I willl be exceptionally dissapointed to see him play at Norwich.

Trolley

15-09-2006, 08:51 AM

I was totally 'aghast' when I was informed about the club's interest in 'Lawrence' and in all honesty fervently hoped that the interest did NOT evolve into an acquisition. One can only imagine my 'Chagrin' when the 'Body' went over the line.

:grrr:

Panther

15-09-2006, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by One Step Down
:eek:

The point was that it's not as easy to see things when there's a whole pitch width between you and what's going on. Not that distance seems to stop others drawing conclusions.

kiethlard

15-09-2006, 09:23 AM

rarely get the wall laughing at us...but on this one

LSEagle

16-09-2006, 09:10 PM

Lawrence played very well today but from the above comments it looks like a number of Palace fans have already decided that he's not good enough for us

rbarmy

16-09-2006, 09:24 PM

All credit to PT - played him in a different role.

Owngoal

17-09-2006, 08:48 AM

After Tuesday i am surprised to see the reports about the Norwich game, why were so many so bad VS Southampton. I'm all for second chances and hope that Lawrence in his nightmare performance was a one off. For those not there on Tuesday, it had to be seen to be believed.

Freddy Kurz

17-09-2006, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Owngoal
After Tuesday i am surprised to see the reports about the Norwich game, why were so many so bad VS Southampton. I'm all for second chances and hope that Lawrence in his nightmare performance was a one off. For those not there on Tuesday, it had to be seen to be believed.

But Lawrence's performance v Southampton wasn't universally poor.
He DID have a nightmare first twenty minutes but gradually improved
as he developed understanding with his team-mates, and by the 2nd
half had settled down and finished strongly. It would have been
the way he stuck at his task that will have impressed Taylor, which
is probably why he retained him for the Norwich game.

Players like Lawrence with over 400 games experience will have learned
over a long career how to play themselves out of a bad patch or into
form after a long lay-off. This happens to sportsmen in other games,
eg. cricket. How often have we seen veteran batsmen "play them-
selves back into form" out in the middle after a few "play-and-misses".
It is one of the "up-sides" of having a few experienced players in our
squad! Provided the veteran players are fully fit this can always
be one of the bonuses.

Cassiemutt

18-09-2006, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
But Lawrence's performance v Southampton wasn't universally poor.
He DID have a nightmare first twenty minutes but gradually improved
as he developed understanding with his team-mates, and by the 2nd
half had settled down and finished strongly. It would have been
the way he stuck at his task that will have impressed Taylor, which
is probably why he retained him for the Norwich game.

Players like Lawrence with over 400 games experience will have learned
over a long career how to play themselves out of a bad patch or into
form after a long lay-off. This happens to sportsmen in other games,
eg. cricket. How often have we seen veteran batsmen "play them-
selves back into form" out in the middle after a few "play-and-misses".
It is one of the "up-sides" of having a few experienced players in our
squad! Provided the veteran players are fully fit this can always
be one of the bonuses.

All power to the fella and to PT for the positional change. On Tuesday I thought he was very poor first 20 mins, seemed to get the pace and team pattern, the run that saw him crunch tackle someone by their corner flag was an example but lost it in the 2nd half and just never semed to pass to anyone in red and blue or know where to be.

imashed

18-09-2006, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Cassiemutt
All power to the fella and to PT for the positional change. On Tuesday I thought he was very poor first 20 mins, seemed to get the pace and team pattern, the run that saw him crunch tackle someone by their corner flag was an example but lost it in the 2nd half and just never semed to pass to anyone in red and blue or know where to be.
if he had not of come from wall maybe we would'nt have had this waste of time thread after one game,same with ward .lets get behind them you mugs the season still young

Cassiemutt

18-09-2006, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by imashed
if he had not of come from wall maybe we would'nt have had this waste of time thread after one game,same with ward .lets get behind them you mugs the season still young

I couldn't care less where he came from. I thought before seeing play for us, based on just odd highlights of a Millwall game, him that he was a decent signing in a position we needed cover having lost Boyce.

But on Tuesday he looked shocking in a position that I feel is one of the easiest to play that's all.

Like all proper fans I want him to do well for us but will call it as I see it, do you not think the universal condemnation of Tuesday was a factor in such an inproved performance in Norfolk.

Owngoal

18-09-2006, 07:44 AM

Many posters were not there to see just how bad Tuesdays performance was, but I for one don't give a damn where a player has come from as long as they can tackle and pass a ball.

DAWSYEAGLE

18-09-2006, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by parks
he was consistent at his time at millwall - one of their best players, but he is 32 now, and i dont think he has enough quality for the prem imo

Thats alright coz we aint in the Premiership.

Cleon

18-09-2006, 07:55 AM

I was unable to go to Norwich this weekend, so I have yet to see this 'new & improved' Matt Lawrence.

Until I see it with my own eyes my signature remains.

jordanismygod

18-09-2006, 08:22 AM

How silly

sydnsteve

18-09-2006, 11:54 AM

FK, I think you are very much in a minority re Tues, as I thought Lawrence was appalling for 90 mins. However, I am very glad that Taylor has found a postion where his errors are less costly, and i hope he continues to improve. Hats off to PT for the changeround (and to ML), and the same for Ward.

Fat Andy

18-09-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Owngoal
worst player in my 40 years of watching Palace, nutmegged himself - never want to see him play again

'I'm all for second chances and hope that Lawrence in his nightmare performance was a one off' [/B][/QUOTE]

???

dufski13

18-09-2006, 02:27 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cassiemutt
I couldn't care less where he came from. I thought before seeing play for us, based on just odd highlights of a Millwall game, him that he was a decent signing in a position we needed cover having lost Boyce.

But on Tuesday he looked shocking in a position that I feel is one of the easiest to play that's all.

Like all proper fans I want him to do well for us but will call it as I see it, do you not think the universal condemnation of Tuesday was a factor in such an inproved performance in Norfolk. [/QUOTE

I thought it was strange that we bought him as cover for right back, as he didn't play there for Millwall. he did start as a right back but wasn't very good there, all his best form for them came playing as a centre back, making a good partnership with Ward.
i didn't go on tuesday, nor Saturday, so not placed to comment on him. Cerainly during the radio commentary on saturday his name was barely mentioned all game, but all the papers i have seen scored him reasonably high.

Cassiemutt

18-09-2006, 02:35 PM

The comments I saw when he signing referred to Right or Centre Back. I think the game I remember for 'Wall, Plymouth away possibly had him there.

Sounds like Fletch in that he just is there breaking things up and protecting the defence?

We certainly had nobody doing that against Saints.