View Full Version : Who Said "No" To Crouch On BBS?
Freddy Kurz
27-09-2006, 08:08 PM
Is my memory playing tricks or do I recall many people on BBS
ridiculing Peter Crouch, calling him a *******, expressing horror
that Palace may have shown interest in him and laughing when
he was picked to play for the U21's and then for the full Eng-
land team???
JohnA
27-09-2006, 08:17 PM
I do recall a fair degree of derision of him whenever we played him --> mainly cries of "freak". However, I think this was gamesmanship the general agreement was that for his / height centre of gravity he had good ball control skills. I think a rather shorter striker has outscored him in the premiership and is currently outscoring him again.
Maidstoned Eagle
27-09-2006, 08:31 PM
Ain't hindsight a bitch?
klimskady
27-09-2006, 08:45 PM
Am still not a fan...
adrenalin john
27-09-2006, 08:45 PM
I have called freak freak many times. I still don't rate him as a top level player. Great sub, superb plan B, but i wish England had had AJ playing the lone role upfront behind Rooney in the world cup and only thrown crouch on if we were losing with 15 mins to go.
stevek
27-09-2006, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by adrenalin john
I have called freak freak many times. I still don't rate him as a top level player. Great sub, superb plan B, but i wish England had had AJ playing the lone role upfront behind Rooney in the world cup and only thrown crouch on if we were losing with 15 mins to go.
Agree with this. Crouch is on fire at the moment (and good luck to him) but he's really a mid-table Premiership player.
eddieskyclad
27-09-2006, 08:59 PM
Crouch has been a cracking player for a number of years now and is still far better than most are giving him credit for...
JHJ EAGLE
27-09-2006, 08:59 PM
He may have made me eat my words but he`s still a freak!!!
RDSdaEAGLE
27-09-2006, 09:04 PM
I don't think its even that Steve.
Liverpool play him wrongly. England play him wrongly. He is a sh!t centre forward, but a good striker. A centre-forward, in the traditional sense, would hold the ball up, get onto crosses and knock downs for strikers to play off. Crouch can do this, but he does it very poorly.
Crouch is an excellent technical player when the ball is at his feet, he has a good few tricks in his locker, and has a good eye for a pass. He can certainly score goals, but I'd argue that his return is far better with shots from his feet rather than headers.
maestro
27-09-2006, 09:12 PM
I always stuck up for him, yes he looks awkward and is horrible to watch but he is effective.
Its not his fault he's so tall, he's making the best of what he's got and seems a nice bloke so good luck to him.
ginger eagle
27-09-2006, 09:26 PM
he's still a long streak of piss to me but he is playing superbly lately
Son of Selhurst
27-09-2006, 09:33 PM
He's like Andy Cole, the ball could bounce off his arse and still go in. Luckiest player in the prem.
Still want to see him outjump someone and head the ball straight.
stevek
27-09-2006, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by RDSdaEAGLE
I don't think its even that Steve.
Liverpool play him wrongly. England play him wrongly. He is a sh!t centre forward, but a good striker. A centre-forward, in the traditional sense, would hold the ball up, get onto crosses and knock downs for strikers to play off. Crouch can do this, but he does it very poorly.
Crouch is an excellent technical player when the ball is at his feet, he has a good few tricks in his locker, and has a good eye for a pass. He can certainly score goals, but I'd argue that his return is far better with shots from his feet rather than headers.
Don't disagree with that either, though he is getting better at attacking the ball in the air on crosses.
Son of Selhurst
27-09-2006, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
He's like Andy Cole, the ball could bounce off his arse and still go in. Luckiest player in the prem.
Still want to see him outjump someone and head the ball straight.
Or take a penalty in a world class tournament when we need him to.
Decent player but he wouldn't be anywhere near the England setup if he didn't play for Liverpool which is why I'm not his biggest fan.
Son of Selhurst
27-09-2006, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by beef
Decent player but he wouldn't be anywhere near the England setup if he didn't play for Liverpool which is why I'm not his biggest fan.
He'd be yours though !!!!
(coat on and door open)
Freddy Kurz
27-09-2006, 09:59 PM
1f83
Originally posted by Son of Selhurst
He's like Andy Cole, the ball could bounce off his arse and still go in. Luckiest player in the prem.
Still want to see him outjump someone and head the ball straight.
Jimmy Greaves, a far better striker than Crouch was always proud of
the goals he scored with his arse etc, and maintained that all the
best goal-scorers are never fussy how they get the ball in the net.
Can't agree that Crouch's success for England etc. is even largely due
to luck. His Liverpool and international colleagues will tell you he is
working hard all the time to try to improve his game. There is an
old saying in football that "the harder you are prepared to work, the
more luck you will have".
He has always been better with the ball at his feet than at heading.
If he could only master the latter skill, he would become an extremely
potent force in the game.
Nelson Muntz
27-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Journeyman.
Freddy Kurz
27-09-2006, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Maidstoned Eagle
Ain't hindsight a bitch?
And who's using hindsight? Have always defended Crouch
from the abusers on BBS, especially those who labelled him a
freak. He is living proof of the wonderful diversity of nature.
Freddy Kurz
27-09-2006, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Nelson Muntz
Journeyman.
Yes, but a journeyman able to score more goals than most
strikers these days against Premier League and run-of-the-
mill Champions League and International opposition. Time
will tell whether he can do it against the very best, but he
is still learning.
kolinkins
27-09-2006, 10:19 PM
Rob has it spot on.
Gooders - where are ya?!?
aadams
27-09-2006, 10:25 PM
Got to say his 2nd goal was class. Got a good touch and not bad in the air. I admit I thought he was a feak but he's doing the business
AJ's right boot
27-09-2006, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by aadams
Got to say his 2nd goal was class. Got a good touch and not bad in the air. I admit I thought he was a feak but he's doing the business
Hmmmm, Drogba scores a hatrick, Crouch scores a wonder goal. What the •••• is up with the world?!
Maidstoned Eagle
28-09-2006, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
And who's using hindsight? Have always defended Crouch
from the abusers on BBS, especially those who labelled him a
freak. He is living proof of the wonderful diversity of nature.
Er, you are. If he wasn't scoring at the moment, you wouldn't have started this thread. I wonder if you'll be crowing so much when the goals dry up for him?
Chief Brody
28-09-2006, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
He is living proof of the wonderful diversity of nature.
:D
littlecsaesar
28-09-2006, 08:27 AM
I will admit to calling him a freak but that was a few years back when I saw him come on as a sub against us for QPR, he looked like he belonged in the circus.
The difference now is that he has found the knack of being in the right place at the right time! Ok they may be against middle of the road teams but he has a goal record for England that Defoe could only dream about!
Yet for someone that tall, he cant head for toffee!
ebyeeckeagle
28-09-2006, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Maidstoned Eagle
Er, you are. If he wasn't scoring at the moment, you wouldn't have started this thread. I wonder if you'll be crowing so much when the goals dry up for him?
In the Premiership, they have. Or rather, have never started. 36 games, 9 goals. I believe the league is still the acid test, despite the Champions League hype and joke internationals?
BUNGLE
28-09-2006, 09:50 AM
Still wouldn't want him at palace thanks.
limited_edition
28-09-2006, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by RDSdaEAGLE
I don't think its even that Steve.
Liverpool play him wrongly. England play him wrongly. He is a sh!t centre forward, but a good striker. A centre-forward, in the traditional sense, would hold the ball up, get onto crosses and knock downs for strikers to play off. Crouch can do this, but he does it very poorly.
Crouch is an excellent technical player when the ball is at his feet, he has a good few tricks in his locker, and has a good eye for a pass. He can certainly score goals, but I'd argue that his return is far better with shots from his feet rather than headers. Exactly. People assume he's great in the air just because of his height. But he's not all that in the air. Much better on the deck.
I remember Dele Adebola back with us saying something like: "Just because I'm a big lad, it doesn't mean that people should assume they should pump balls in the air to me. I'm much more confident with the ball at my feet." So it's settled then, Crouchie is Adebola without the pace, but with more technical ability. ;)
Newozeagle
28-09-2006, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by JohnA
--> mainly cries of "freak".
'Plug' from the Beano you mean:D
Gooders
28-09-2006, 12:09 PM
I've never called him a *******, but I will never see him as a proper footballer either. Sorry.
Gooders
28-09-2006, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by kolinkins
Rob has it spot on.
Gooders - where are ya?!?
:hi:
It's funny, these threads always pop up when he scores a couple of goals or a spectacular one, (like last night's apparently).
And then they disappear when he does nothing for 5 or 6 games and gets dropped.
He's not a footballer.
Cleon
28-09-2006, 12:13 PM
1fb2
See for yourselves:
http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107189&highlight=peter+crouch
GSG cpfc
28-09-2006, 12:25 PM
He's pants. Crap in the air, probably the luckiest striker in the world.
Sir.S.C Remembered
28-09-2006, 12:36 PM
I stand by my post. Although I believe a big man would eb a good foil for AJ, especially a more mobile one than Shipperley was who chips in more goals, I feel Crouch is not that man. Mainly because despite his height and build suitable for a target man, he drifts far too much and his flick ons are not of a particularly good standard to run onto (which would suit AJ), neither are his passes.
I believe describing Crouch as someone who has been a top player for years is far from true. His record has never been better than average goal and performance wise until a half season spell with Southampton which was a patch of good form and not enough to justify a £8m move to a top team like Liverpool. He also unimpressed first season at Liverpool, fact. He didn't score a league goal for a very long time, missing many chances aliong the way and generally not contributing enough then went through a very tiny scoring patch and all was forgiven but his record of the season was considerably sub standard.
Now I can give credit where it is due. He has his weaknesses as mentioned above, he is far from proven too. However, he deserves credict at the moment and if it continues over a decent period against good sides then I will have to change my opinion as wuold have be proven wrong despite not being a fan of his game. I do not go for the media scenario, who either slate him as if he is the worst player about, or when he scores a hat trick aganist Jamaica raves as if he is World Class. He is not world class, he is not terrible, he is somewhere between and improving. He is a decent Premiership player who provides another option and is doing fantastically well for England at the moment with a good record there as a result. On the same rant, its the same with AJ who is doing very well but being raved about as if he is a world class player, which he is not. Both need to show good form to get into the England swuad in my opinion, as opposed to the likes of Rooney who need to do a bit less as are proven currently world class (unlike Owen who needs to re prove himself as world class due to such a long period passing since this has been shown). This is why it infuriates me when very average players like Wayne Bridge walked back into the England squad straight back from months out injured or a few games on loan when the likes of Baines and Konchesky were impressing all season. There are several more examples of this kind of attitude.......
To sum up. I am not a fan of him as when I watch him lpay he is unconvincing in my opinion and I see some weaknesses and question whether he deserved his transfer and call up. However, credit where it is due, he is playing very well for England at the moment and long may it continue. To be honest I have a similar opinion of Didier Drogba who only ever impressed for one season abroad (although he did look 'world class" that season) and is playing very well at the moment and deserves his praise and to keep his place, but would have to do alot more and develop for me to think of him as a real top player.
Tom's Old Man
28-09-2006, 12:42 PM
Would always like to see him come off the bench with 15 mins to go to make space for Rooney/Owen or whoever. Not good enough to start for England though. He was dreadfully mis-managed as a player in the World Cup this summer, he would have been a good substitute.
Gooders
28-09-2006, 12:50 PM
Good post Sir S C.
Sir.S.C Remembered
28-09-2006, 12:56 PM
Why thankyou Gooders. Apologies for the typo's etc, it was done in a rush as ever. I am not sure I have the same opinion on him as you Gooders but have tried to explain myself properly so thankyou very much.
It's funny how's Al tinted specs kept getting passed around. Crouch has a not too dis-similar goalscoring record to Clinton Morrison. Both have a scoring average of 0.30 in the league and you wouldn't hear people throw the same kind of insults at Clinton as they do at Crouch.
Crouch is doing the business, whether it is lucky or not and at 25 he probably has his best years ahead of him.
As to the original question, I wish Crouch had played for Palace. I reckon' if Crouch has joined Palace 2 years ago when he went to Southampton, Palace would not have been relegated.
Embassy No.1
28-09-2006, 01:35 PM
Still not a fan.
IW_Eagle
28-09-2006, 05:04 PM
Crouch goal on youtube
I have just put the clip up for anyone who has not seen it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaPwUdKshLE
Sussex Eagle
28-09-2006, 05:22 PM
I've called him freak many a time, it's fun. But I'm sure he's a good lad, and I've always thought he was a pretty effective player...had/have my doubts about him as a top 4 club, international player, especially after the start he made for Liverpool, but who didn't? He's clearly not got top-level ability, his weird physicality is what has got him where he is so I doubt he's too sensitive about people mentioning it.
adrenalin john
28-09-2006, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
Have always defended Crouch
from the abusers on BBS, especially those who labelled him a
freak.
That reminds me of that corrupt tory politician defending his honour with the shield of justice and sword of truth (or whatever)
Sussex Eagle
28-09-2006, 05:27 PM
The thread-starting chappie on his high horse over there also signed the 'please don't sign James Scowcroft' petition, by the by.
adrenalin john
28-09-2006, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
The thread-starting chappie on his high horse over there also signed the 'please don't sign James Scowcroft' petition, by the by.
Hoist by his own hypoctical
petard me thinks, there
again many of his
arguments
tend to
tail
off
Gooders
30-09-2006, 01:55 PM
Came on just after half-time today and did nothing.
I lied, he got booked.
751
andy m
30-09-2006, 02:04 PM
Crouch is very poor in the air, and has good touch and control for a big man, which actually means he has poor touch and control but its better than you'd expect from someone of his height. His sense of positioning is good, however, and he'll score goals at any level because he gets in good positions to do so. Goal-scoring aside he adds little to any team and I'm not a fan.
David Amsalem
30-09-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Gooders
He's not a footballer.
What an unusual thing to say.
daz_eagle
30-09-2006, 02:17 PM
i love how it's fine to take the piss out of crouch because he is tall (he can't do anything about that).
body fascism - fine
racism - teddies out of the pram.
calling crouch a freak - fine
shouting 'DVD! DVD! at seoel - end of the world.
BOTH are wrong. no?.......
in all honesty, neither of those two things REALLY bother me, but folks double standards do.
PengeEagle
01-10-2006, 10:15 AM
I still can't believe that Rafa Benetiz does not play him every week - his goals per game this season has to be up there with the best in Europe!
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