View Full Version : Crowd Trouble at the Roma vs Man U game
ginger eagle
04-04-2007, 09:45 PM
Did'nt see a thread on this , but just seen some ugly scences of violence between the two sides of fans at Roma..
Bottle throwing, riot police kicking off and swinging batons! all hell was breaking loose............................and now the game has finished..the Man U fans are still in the ground :eek: :eek:
racehorse-80s
04-04-2007, 09:52 PM
The italian police seemed to lose the plot and go absolutely berserk as if they wanted revenge on the English fans.
Appalling scenes to be honest but this is the same Country that shot dead a G8 demonstrater :(
Melfort Eagle
04-04-2007, 10:13 PM
Didnt Man U warn the travelling fans about potential crowd trouble at the AS Roma.
I havent seen the incident, does anyone know who started it?
limited_edition
04-04-2007, 11:44 PM
After the violence in Sicily and now this, bang goes the Italian Euro 2012 bid, then.
What?
04-04-2007, 11:51 PM
Italy might be a nice country, it might not I have never been, but I hate anything to do with them and football, except Lombardo!
Maidstoned Eagle
05-04-2007, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by Melfort Eagle
Didnt Man U warn the travelling fans about potential crowd trouble at the AS Roma.
I havent seen the incident, does anyone know who started it?
From what i've seen you can't really tell, what you can see though is loads of Roma fans on one side of a barrier exchanging insults and throwing missiles at man U fans. the Man U fans return the compliment. But what got me was that on the Italian side there was just some stewards ushering them away, Man u side? Baton wheeling riot police.
Two sets of scum supporters beating the shit out of each other - shame.
Originally posted by Dave
Two sets of scum supporters beating the shit out of each other - shame.
Quite. I really don't think any Palace fans (post our Cup semi-final with them) should be shedding any tears over the treatment of Manchester United fans to be honest.
Scoot
05-04-2007, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by IanH
Quite. I really don't think any Palace fans (post our Cup semi-final with them) should be shedding any tears over the treatment of Manchester United fans to be honest.
Indeed, what the press who are going on about the innocent Manu don't relaise is that this set of supporters has one of the worst prat (read 'hoolie') firms in England. Fact is that they were warned about were not to go and as such ............ went there before the game.
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by IanH
Quite. I really don't think any Palace fans (post our Cup semi-final with them) should be shedding any tears over the treatment of Manchester United fans to be honest.
God call.
Big "Thumbs Up" to the Italian OB.
Brumie Allan
05-04-2007, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by DJ Laz
God call.
Big "Thumbs Up" to the Italian OB. Why blame everything on religion:rolleyes:
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Brumie Allan
Why blame everything on religion:rolleyes:
"He" hates Man U too.
Itaiian OB do what "He" asks.
Hence --- a God call.
KentExpress
05-04-2007, 07:38 AM
What some of English ‘fans’ don’t seem to realise that in Europe if the Police tell you to move you move, and move fast. You don’t stand and argue like you would with the nice British Police Officer.
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by KentExpress
What some of English ‘fans’ don’t seem to realise that in Europe if the Police tell you to move you move, and move fast. You don’t stand and argue like you would with the nice British Police Officer.
Ever thought about getting a job at one of those "Fan's Embassys"?
You'd be really good.
JAS78
05-04-2007, 07:44 AM
the italian riot police were obviously worried that a flying missile may cause someone a nasty head injury, so they calmed the situation down, err, by going in and smashing heads in with wooden batons
Atleast no one was injured by a flying bottle :rolleyes:
swissroll
05-04-2007, 07:53 AM
What doesnt get publicised is there are 3 completely separate Italian Police forces (Some say 2 the Gaurdi and the Carabinieri, but in major towns they have Traffic Police). The lot at the Football are a quasi military branch of the Carabinieri. Fighting is something they regard as the highlight of the week.
Eaglesmad123
05-04-2007, 08:02 AM
20a6
Some fans went to the game looking for trouble but what about the familys who went over there to watch a game of football. Did they deserverve to get a beating.
A small section of Man U fans caused one of our fans to loose his tragic life but that dosnt mean there all scum. With all clubs you get some good and bad.
Maidstoned Eagle
05-04-2007, 08:03 AM
Trouble is, a lot of the people injured seemed to be the ones who weren't taking part in any trouble. Everyone knows your average Hoolie has it away on his toes as soon as it looks like he'll get hurt.
Originally posted by Dave
Two sets of scum supporters beating the shit out of each other - shame.
Normally wouldn't argue with this but it did look like the Mancs were getting a rough deal. Looked nasty.
KennyB
05-04-2007, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by KentExpress
What some of English ‘fans’ don’t seem to realise that in Europe if the Police tell you to move you move, and move fast. You don’t stand and argue like you would with the nice British Police Officer.
Agreed. And neither do you make smart-ar$ed remarks when pulled over for speeding etc.
Maidstoned Eagle
05-04-2007, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by KentExpress
What some of English ‘fans’ don’t seem to realise that in Europe if the Police tell you to move you move, and move fast. You don’t stand and argue like you would with the nice British Police Officer.
Something a lot of young Brits who give it "large" in Fuengirola, Torremolinos etc, find out every year too.:D
henryhallandhisbasque
05-04-2007, 08:15 AM
The Man Ure yobs waiting to be removed from the stadium after the match looked very different to their usually gobby and cocky selves.
It was actually a pleasure to see them getting sticked by the Italian Police. That particular sight was actually far more entertaining than the game itself.
eaglejez
05-04-2007, 08:39 AM
After seeing the initial 'shocking' pictures of 'English hooligans' being baton charged the predictable truth starts to leak out.
Poorly stewarded stadiums - poor facilities and dodgy segregation. Bottles etc thrown by the Italian fans into the man u fans - as soon as the intellectually challenged minority in the Man U fans throw them back (obviously unjustified) it all kicks off into a random stampede and baton charge - lets just kick the **** out of the poor guys women and children standing by !
Of course nothing gets done about the stabbings, fans being attacked outside and the good old racist chanting. It’s a constant in Italy and Spain but will UEFA do anything about it...........no
If you travel with England you will know what I mean. No one is saying there are still pratts that travel but comparativley the English have sorted out their hooligan problem. 15K go to Spain last week and no trouble. 50K+ in Germany at each match with less trouble than at a pop concert. no racist chanting.
Compare that to Spain and Italy ! They are in the dark ages compared to us but UEFA give us no credit at all.
Smithers-Jones
05-04-2007, 08:40 AM
Before we get too down on the Mancs, is it worth remembering the turn out for the Geoff Thomas game?
Selhurst Celtic
05-04-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Dave
Two sets of scum supporters beating the shit out of each other - shame.
It was worth a 'what bad luck' surely?
I'm certainly not going to shed any tears over Man Utd prats getting 'sticked'.*
(*great phrase harryhallandhisbasque)
Latvian Eagle
05-04-2007, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by eaglejez
Compare that to Spain and Italy ! They are in the dark ages compared to us but UEFA give us no credit at all.
I don't know what to make of it all but I'm sure none of this happens when Spanish teams play Italian teams, and Germans play Spanish etc.
English supporters just seem to take trouble with them wherever they go. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault, but there does seem to be a reputation there which other countries supporters pick up on! :eek:
I don't know what to make of it all but I'm sure none of this happens when Spanish teams play Italian teams, and Germans play Spanish etc.
you sure?
eaglejez
05-04-2007, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Latvian Eagle
I don't know what to make of it all but I'm sure none of this happens when Spanish teams play Italian teams, and Germans play Spanish etc.
English supporters just seem to take trouble with them wherever they go. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault, but there does seem to be a reputation there which other countries supporters pick up on! :eek:
rubbish !
Ruskin Old Boy
05-04-2007, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by IanH
Quite. I really don't think any Palace fans (post our Cup semi-final with them) should be shedding any tears over the treatment of Manchester United fans to be honest.
You're wrong ... I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace fans with your point of view.
After the reaction of the Mayor of Rome to Manchester United's travel instructions (rather similar to those we have prior to Palace away matches) it wasn't surprising when the Italian riot police beat the shit of Manchester United supporters.
It was patently obvious when Roma fans started lobbying water bottles at Manchester United supporters that there would be trouble. If you watch the reaction of the Italian riot police you won't see any action directed against the Roma fans.
Loyal Supporter
05-04-2007, 09:12 AM
A lot of hype over a short incident.
The police were situated on the side of the fence with the MAn Utd fans. They were not in with the Roma fans. When Roma scored the Roma fans ran to the fence to gloat and goad the Man Utd fans. No police to stop them but they were not going to climb the fence so no real danger (apart from the odd missile).
The trouble started when some Man Utd fans tried to reach the fence too, and as there were police in their way, the police naturally tried to stop them. This is where the scuffle broke out and naturally a few guilty fans were battered and no doubt the odd innocent too.
Par for the course over there and if you want to avoid trouble , you can.
1f8b
eaglejez
05-04-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
You're wrong ... I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace fans with your point of view.
After the reaction of the Mayor of Rome to Manchester United's travel instructions (rather similar to those we have prior to Palace away matches) it wasn't surprising when the Italian riot police beat the shit of Manchester United supporters.
It was patently obvious when Roma fans started lobbying water bottles at Manchester United supporters that there would be trouble. If you watch the reaction of the Italian riot police you won't see any action directed against the Roma fans.
it happens practically everytime an English team plays in Italy and Spain.
Latvian Eagle
05-04-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by eaglejez
rubbish !
Well I hardly ever hear of fights between other coutries (obviously yes there is the odd occurence)!
East-End Eagle
05-04-2007, 09:18 AM
Man U have a sizable holligan following away. No doubt some of these were "up for it", but inevitably it is the innocents who end up getting hurt when ambushed by rival fans.
The holligan "code" of only fighting "like minded people" is a load of bollox. It's normally the pathetic posturing of the hoolies that causes innocents to be attacked. And as usual the hoolies are no where to be seen when this happens.
New LP
05-04-2007, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by IanH
Quite. I really don't think any Palace fans (post our Cup semi-final with them) should be shedding any tears over the treatment of Manchester United fans to be honest.
We all know that many Man Utd fans are no angels and I'm sure they didn't help things terribly much. As a Palace fan it's hard to feel too much sympathy. However, the state of Italian football is dire at the moment, they seem to be unable to manage the crowds at games, the police seem totally clueless and the stadiums are inadequate. Can you imagine 2 sets of fans throwing bottles at each other over a flimsy fence seperating them at a game in this country, with riot police then wading in and batoning supporters over the head?
Originally posted by Latvian Eagle
Well I hardly ever hear of fights between other coutries (obviously yes there is the odd occurence)!
Football violence occurs week in, week out on the continent! The same cannot be said about British teams. The problem English fans have is the reputation from the 70's, 80's still follows them around.
We all know English fans are not angels but the problem are alot worse in europe.
eaglejez
05-04-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Latvian Eagle
Well I hardly ever hear of fights between other coutries (obviously yes there is the odd occurence)!
where are the fights involving England fans then ? Where is all the racist chanting from English fans. Where are all the deaths to policemen or postponement of entire matches for a few weeks !
Maidstoned Eagle
05-04-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by eaglejez
it happens practically everytime an English team plays in Italy and Spain.
You're right, Birmingham played Malaga in a Pre-Season friendly and Biggus nearly had a fight with David Dunne.
Selhurst Celtic
05-04-2007, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by New LP
However, the state of Italian football is dire at the moment, they seem to be unable to manage the crowds at games, the police seem totally clueless and the stadiums are inadequate.
I was at the San Siro a few weeks back watching Celtic v AC Milan in the Champions League. There were thousands of Celtic fans all over Milan and in all parts of the ground during the match. Lots of booze was consumed beforehand (buckfast for breakfast with some of them) and yet I saw no trouble with the police or the stewards.
We were kept in the ground for an hour afterwards and were informed that this was to allow the trams and underground to be able to cope with the numbers and upon being released from the ground were given a round of applause from the police and stewards who lined our way out.
The crowd was well managed, the police passive and the stadium was fantastic.
I also read in the paper this morning about the Scottish fans in Bari last week who drank the city dry, despite a supposed ban on alcohol sales - it was averaged that each supporter drank 38 pints each over the three days they were there - that there were no reports of trouble and it was a carnival atmosphere.
Man Utd fans were warned (possibly unwise to make the warning so public) to keep away from the areas where the Roma Ultras gather. And where were the reports of the clashes before the games? On the bridges where they were warned not to go. A map reading error or a deliberate and provocative attempt to cause trouble. You decide.
Either way I have no pity for head bashed mancs who, from the pictures, were right up against the fence in front of the baton wielding Eyetie rozzer.
littlecsaesar
05-04-2007, 09:46 AM
Was listening to talkSHIT last night and all the United fans ringing up saying they had given their tickets to their mates (is that friendly?) and moaning about the trouble all had a very Southern accents.
As for the previous poster about the trouble in Sicily, walking around the homeland of organized crime in a black t-shirt that said MAFIA, I don't blame some of the locals for having a go!
Fat Andy
05-04-2007, 09:47 AM
I still find it strange in a stadium with a capacity of 90,000 that 2 sets of fans are situated right next to each other just seperated by a 6ft perspex fence. Especially with Romas history and the predicted trouble before the game.
littlecsaesar
05-04-2007, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Selhurst Celtic
I also read in the paper this morning about the Scottish fans in Bari last week who drank the city dry, despite a supposed ban on alcohol sales - it was averaged that each supporter drank 38 pints each over the three days they were there - that there were no reports of trouble and it was a carnival atmosphere.
I heard Bari as a city made more trade in that weekend than they did over a large part of the winter season!
Jim Bhoy
05-04-2007, 09:52 AM
208a
Maybe if Man Utd's own website had not offended the Roma fans by calling them thieves and troublemakers this may have been avoided. Fans from other countries can travel to cities like Rome and enjoy themselves without any reports of trouble - I wonder why that is? The England rugby side goes there every 2 years but I've never heard of any trouble when they visit. Maybe it's because they show respect for their hosts and enjoy one of the best cities in Europe.
Anyone who has ever gone to a game abroad knows that you can avoid any crowd trouble if you really want to. Everytime an English club side goes away and is involved in trouble, you hear these stories of "it was the police's fault" or "they started it, we were just there to watch the football" blah blah......
The unfortunate thing is that it is always the innocent fans that get battered by the Police....the hooligans are usually on their toes long before the Police steam in. And maybe people should have realised by now that you don't mess with the Italian police unless you want to have your head cracked open.......
Selhurst Celtic
05-04-2007, 09:56 AM
Good post Jim Bhoy. :p
Latvian Eagle
05-04-2007, 10:12 AM
I love it, apparently now England are totally innocent, and no English supporters ever go out to cause trouble! :rolleyes:
Yes I have heard racist chants at games in England, yes I have seen English football fans starting fights, don't make English people out to be totally innocent in all this.
People should know what Roma are like, they had their CL game abandoned a few years back for Crowd violence, and there was trouble when they played Boro last year!
PS. The "Romans" seem to take things to the next level.
New LP
05-04-2007, 10:16 AM
I think you have a combination of 2 things. Italian football which can be fairly volatile at times and Man Utd fans who are to diplomacy what Trevor Aylott was to goal scoring.
DrRock
05-04-2007, 10:19 AM
I went to a Serie A match back in the 70's, and I remember the Roma fans being pretty wild then. They have a bad reputation even in Italy.
The Italian police are a bunch of knuckleheaded gorillas so this 'riot' was totally predictable.
That said, I was at the Villa Park semi's against Man Utd, so stuff 'em.
eaglejez
05-04-2007, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Latvian Eagle
I love it, apparently now England are totally innocent, and no English supporters ever go out to cause trouble! :rolleyes:
Yes I have heard racist chants at games in England, yes I have seen English football fans starting fights, don't make English people out to be totally innocent in all this.
People should know what Roma are like, they had their CL game abandoned a few years back for Crowd violence, and there was trouble when they played Boro last year!
PS. The "Romans" seem to take things to the next level.
Where did anyone say the English are totally innocent ?
As for Roma, if what you say is true maybe they should be banned from playing in Europe (do we have to tolerate 'the ultras'). Can you imagine us tolerating the ICF !
Strathclyde Eagle
05-04-2007, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by eaglejez
Of course nothing gets done about the stabbings, fans being attacked outside and the good old racist chanting. It’s a constant in Italy and Spain but will UEFA do anything about it...........no
Dead right. However this is two sets of incidents for United fans in Europe this season. Whether it is their fault or not you could successfully argue that trouble seems to follow them around.
Latvian Eagle
05-04-2007, 10:22 AM
Roma vs Galatasary I think was the game that got Abandoned (when Anders Frisk got hit with a coin or bottle?!). They played the rest of their UCL campaign behind closed doors.
Lazio are equally as wild as their local rivals. Of course there are other teams in Italy who have a penchant for violence, but the big two in Rome seem to take the "crown". It's kind of a Gladiator mentality I feel.
East-End Eagle
05-04-2007, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Latvian Eagle
Lazio are equally as wild as their local rivals. Of course there are other teams in Italy who have a penchant for violence, but the big two in Rome seem to take the "crown". It's kind of a Gladiator mentality I feel.
I hear Brescia are the Millwall of Italy. Small club syndrome....
Latvian Eagle
05-04-2007, 10:47 AM
Brescia = Small suburban club, surrounded by big City rivals, sounds about right to me! :p
Brescia is near Milan incase you didn't know! ;)
gjtango
05-04-2007, 10:54 AM
Brescia on Champ Man 99/00 or 00/01 I think it was were quality with Baggio upfront and Doni running things in the midfield. They had a few good defenders aswell if I remember rightly.
surrey g
05-04-2007, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by DrRock
I went to a Serie A match back in the 70's, and I remember the Roma fans being pretty wild then. They have a bad reputation even in Italy.
The Italian police are a bunch of knuckleheaded gorillas so this 'riot' was totally predictable.
That said, I was at the Villa Park semi's against Man Utd, so stuff 'em.
Spot on Doc. Never forget how Man Utd fans pushed their weight around because of the Cantona incident. Frankly, I turned on Sky Sports News this morning and revelled in the battering their fans took from the Italian cops. They were warned!:lux:
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by New LP
We all know that many Man Utd fans are no angels and I'm sure they didn't help things terribly much. As a Palace fan it's hard to feel too much sympathy. However, the state of Italian football is dire at the moment, they seem to be unable to manage the crowds at games, the police seem totally clueless and the stadiums are inadequate. Can you imagine 2 sets of fans throwing bottles at each other over a flimsy fence seperating them at a game in this country, with riot police then wading in and batoning supporters over the head?
Funnily enough, just that happened at England v Colombia at the Giants Stadium the Summer before last.
Sadly, on that occasion it was beer bottles being rained across the seats - what a waste.
On the plus side, the NY plod knew who to give the "sticking" to - those troublesome Colombians.
The moral is --- follow England and CP Baltimore.
1f7b
Pidster
05-04-2007, 11:12 AM
I think you are all being very, very beastly to Manchester Utd fans.
Having seen them at close quarters over a number of years, I cannot understand why people should think they were guilty of any wrong doing. Last night? Innocent? Lille? Victims of circumstance.
When will UEFA wake up and smell the latte , and just give them a bye to the final, and let us neutral fans bathe in the reflective glory of the self-styled "World's Biggest Club".
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Selhurst Celtic
I was at the San Siro a few weeks back watching Celtic v AC Milan in the Champions League. There were thousands of Celtic fans all over Milan and in all parts of the ground during the match. Lots of booze was consumed beforehand (buckfast for breakfast with some of them) and yet I saw no trouble with the police or the stewards.
We were kept in the ground for an hour afterwards and were informed that this was to allow the trams and underground to be able to cope with the numbers and upon being released from the ground were given a round of applause from the police and stewards who lined our way out.
The crowd was well managed, the police passive and the stadium was fantastic.
I also read in the paper this morning about the Scottish fans in Bari last week who drank the city dry, despite a supposed ban on alcohol sales - it was averaged that each supporter drank 38 pints each over the three days they were there - that there were no reports of trouble and it was a carnival atmosphere.
Man Utd fans were warned (possibly unwise to make the warning so public) to keep away from the areas where the Roma Ultras gather. And where were the reports of the clashes before the games? On the bridges where they were warned not to go. A map reading error or a deliberate and provocative attempt to cause trouble. You decide.
Either way I have no pity for head bashed mancs who, from the pictures, were right up against the fence in front of the baton wielding Eyetie rozzer.
"Carnival atmosphere" - get real pal.
Scotland fans are a disgace - pissing and puking there way around the streets of Europe.
And, before you get on your high horse about English hooligans, I hope you are old enough to remember the Scots destroying Wembley in the mid 70's - was that a Carnival atmosphere?
Obviously not - as any honest Scot will tell you:
1. Aberdeen, Hibs, Rangers and yes even Celtic have caused significant trouble at European fixtures.
2. Scotland fans only "became peaceful" after England sorted it and gave them the kicking they deserved a Hampden in the early 80's.
Typical Celtic fan - full of crap.
Strathclyde Eagle
05-04-2007, 11:48 AM
And in Rangers' case that was just a few weeks ago.
Typically the afternoon Record had a back-page headline about how the troublemakers were English apparently. :rolleyes:
eaglejez
05-04-2007, 11:54 AM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid494940053/bctid716123703
Maidstoned Eagle
05-04-2007, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by DJ Laz
"Carnival atmosphere" - get real pal.
Scotland fans are a disgace - pissing and puking there way around the streets of Europe.
One European city is thinking of banning the wearing of kilts as its fed up with jolly drunken Scotsmen flashing their tackle to all and sundry.
Ruskin Old Boy
05-04-2007, 12:02 PM
I find the words of some of the posters on this thread appalling - revelling in Manchester United supporters getting beaten up by the police is objectionable. I don't have any time for that club but I do have time for hundreds of supporters of all ages who were stabbed and beaten up - not just at the match but also in Rome before and after the match. How anyone can be positive about 60 year old supporters being hospitalised is beyond me.
For anyone who's forgotten about the behavious of AS Roma fans this is from Wikipedia:
"On September 15, 2004, Frisk was forced to abandon a match he was refereeing between AS Roma and Dynamo Kyiv at the Stadio Olimpico in the group stage of the 2004-05 Champions League after he was hit by a lighter thrown from the stands as he walked off the field at half-time. He was seen to be bleeding quite heavily and subsequently abandoned the match. UEFA eventually awarded the match to Kyiv as a 3–0 forfeit, and ordered that Roma play its remaining two home fixtures in the group stage behind closed doors."
New LP
05-04-2007, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
I find the words of some of the posters on this thread appalling - revelling in Manchester United supporters getting beaten up by the police is objectionable. I don't have any time for that club but I do have time for hundreds of supporters of all ages who were stabbed and beaten up - not just at the match but also in Rome before and after the match. How anyone can be positive about 60 year old supporters being hospitalised is beyond me.
For anyone who's forgotten about the behavious of AS Roma fans this is from Wikipedia:
"On September 15, 2004, Frisk was forced to abandon a match he was refereeing between AS Roma and Dynamo Kyiv at the Stadio Olimpico in the group stage of the 2004-05 Champions League after he was hit by a lighter thrown from the stands as he walked off the field at half-time. He was seen to be bleeding quite heavily and subsequently abandoned the match. UEFA eventually awarded the match to Kyiv as a 3–0 forfeit, and ordered that Roma play its remaining two home fixtures in the group stage behind closed doors."
When their fans can maybe express a little bit of regret for the Paul Nixon death and maybe start to look at what happened with Cantona in an honest way all these years on the I'll go along with what your saying. Until then it's hard to have too much sympathy for them.
Big Bird
05-04-2007, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by New LP
When their fans can maybe express a little bit of regret for the Paul Nixon death and maybe start to look at what happened with Cantona in an honest way all these years on the I'll go along with what your saying. Until then it's hard to have too much sympathy for them.
Two wrongs do not make a right :confused:
New LP
05-04-2007, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Big Bird
Two wrongs do not make a right :confused:
No, but the way they still take the moral highground when it comes to the Cantona issue is infuriating.
20f8
Selhurst Celtic
05-04-2007, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Typical Celtic fan - full of crap.
Stick to spinning your wheels of steel Laz.
Maybe they'll release a 12 inch of "I'd rather be a paki than a turk" to get all those wonderful fans dancing to your beat?
LLCOOLSTEVE
05-04-2007, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by New LP
When their fans can maybe express a little bit of regret for the Paul Nixon death and maybe start to look at what happened with Cantona in an honest way all these years on the I'll go along with what your saying. Until then it's hard to have too much sympathy for them.
Not all man Utd fans are to blame for his death. Im sure there have been occasions when Palace 'fans' have caused trouble yet you or I wouldnt want to be tarred with that same brush.
New LP
05-04-2007, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by LLCOOLSTEVE
Not all man Utd fans are to blame for his death. Im sure there have been occasions when Palace 'fans' have caused trouble yet you or I wouldnt want to be tarred with that same brush.
No, but the majority of United fans as a whole are apologists for Cantona and what subsequently happened.
Scotland's No9
05-04-2007, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by DJ Laz
"Carnival atmosphere" - get real pal.
Scotland fans are a disgace - pissing and puking there way around the streets of Europe.
And, before you get on your high horse about English hooligans, I hope you are old enough to remember the Scots destroying Wembley in the mid 70's - was that a Carnival atmosphere?
Obviously not - as any honest Scot will tell you:
1. Aberdeen, Hibs, Rangers and yes even Celtic have caused significant trouble at European fixtures.
2. Scotland fans only "became peaceful" after England sorted it and gave them the kicking they deserved a Hampden in the early 80's.
I've not been abroad with Aberdeen, Hibs, Rangers or Celtic so can't comment beyond press reports, but "Carnival Atmosphere" is an entierly appropriate description for what I've experienced following Scotland away. I'm certain the vast majority of locals in pretty much any city that we've played in over the last 20 years would agree.
True - I've seen some inappropriate release of piss and puke, but it's been incidental behaviour against a mass of drunken good naturedness with no, or at most a handful, of arrests on any given trip. In contrast to, my admittedly limited experience of England (France 98, England vs Romania) where I witnessed thuggery, theft, intimidation and random violence - and that was just against other England fans - I know who I would more readily accuse of being a "disgrace"
Destroying Wembley? Oh come on - that's 30 years ago. To use that as evidence against Scotland, whilst earlier in your post daring us to get on our high horse about English hooligans, and then later revel in a suppoused "deserved kicking" handed out by England just a few years later means I treat your views on the matter with some contempt.
For what it's worth I believe Scotland "became peaceful" fans to rub the English noses in it.
It appears to still work.
Il Padrino
05-04-2007, 01:57 PM
Whoever said that hooliganism is exclusively English should go to the wastelands outside Amsterdam or a Deportivo la Coruna game to see organised fighting the army would be proud of
Il Padrino
05-04-2007, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Scotland's No9
I've not been abroad with Aberdeen, Hibs, Rangers or Celtic so can't comment beyond press reports, but "Carnival Atmosphere" is an entierly appropriate description for what I've experienced following Scotland away. I'm certain the vast majority of locals in pretty much any city that we've played in over the last 20 years would agree.
True - I've seen some inappropriate release of piss and puke, but it's been incidental behaviour against a mass of drunken good naturedness with no, or at most a handful, of arrests on any given trip. In contrast to, my admittedly limited experience of England (France 98, England vs Romania) where I witnessed thuggery, theft, intimidation and random violence - and that was just against other England fans - I know who I would more readily accuse of being a "disgrace"
Destroying Wembley? Oh come on - that's 30 years ago. To use that as evidence against Scotland, whilst earlier in your post daring us to get on our high horse about English hooligans, and then later revel in a suppoused "deserved kicking" handed out by England just a few years later means I treat your views on the matter with some contempt.
For what it's worth I believe Scotland "became peaceful" fans to rub the English noses in it.
It appears to still work.
And we beat you at Culloden! :D
Scotland's No9
05-04-2007, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Il Padrino
And we beat you at Culloden! :D
More of a Bannockburn man myself!
surrey g
05-04-2007, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Scotland's No9
I've not been abroad with Aberdeen, Hibs, Rangers or Celtic so can't comment beyond press reports, but "Carnival Atmosphere" is an entierly appropriate description for what I've experienced following Scotland away.
I'm certain the vast majority of locals in pretty much any city that we've played in over the last 20 years would agree.
True - I've seen some inappropriate release of piss and puke, but it's been incidental behaviour against a mass of drunken good naturedness with no, or at most a handful, of arrests on any given trip.
Destroying Wembley? Oh come on - that's 30 years ago. To use that as evidence against Scotland, whilst earlier in your post daring us to get on our high horse about English hooligans, and then later revel in a suppoused "deserved kicking" handed out by England just a few years later means I treat your views on the matter with some contempt.
For what it's worth I believe Scotland "became peaceful" fans to rub the English noses in it.
It appears to still work.
I'm still sore about the Wembley incident of 30 years ago. An insult that has not properly been avenged in my view. The punishment meted out to William Wallace, the Scottish barbarian, would be appropriate especially for those silly tw*ts in ginger wigs.
Scotland's No9
05-04-2007, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by surrey g
I'm still sore about the Wembley incident of 30 years ago. An insult that has not properly been avenged in my view. The punishment meted out to William Wallace, the Scottish barbarian, would be appropriate especially for those silly tw*ts in ginger wigs.
I was only 3 so have no memory of it beyond old film footage etc, but it was fairly spectacular. The apparant % of away fans would never happen now.
1f74
Polish Pete
05-04-2007, 02:24 PM
Just read this comment from the BBC website posted by a guy called MUFC Dave. Still haven`t stopped laughing:
“…..its simple...the french and italians hate us...the reason is jealousy...we are the superior nation and they hate us for it..there all cowards..look at the wars...they ran away...britain didn't..they have to fight with knives...shi**bags”
Princess
05-04-2007, 02:31 PM
I was in this stadium for the Italy v England World Cup qualifier 9 years ago. It was awful and a very frightening experience. It was very reminiscent of what I saw last night. Can remember being kept in the stadium for hours after the game as well. There was a lot of controversy about it.
surrey g
05-04-2007, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Scotland's No9
I was only 3 so have no memory of it beyond old film footage etc, but it was fairly spectacular. The apparant % of away fans would never happen now.
It could be argued that it was the catalyst from which the England national side's hooligan following was formed. So it's all your fault.
Jim Bhoy
05-04-2007, 02:36 PM
DJ Laz, the fact that you have to go back 30 years to 1977 to rake up the Tartan Army violence at Wembley as an example of football hooliganism amongst Scottish football supporters shows how ridiculous your argument is. The way that the Tartan Army have behaved since these times is surely the best example of how to change the way your supporters represent their country when they play away in Europe. The Tartan Army used to have a huge thuggish element amongst their support, but this is definitely not the case today. They are welcomed wherever they play.
I would be interested to know the examples that you have of Celtic, Hibs and Aberdeen fans causing trouble in Europe (I'll give you the Huns, I wouldn't expect anything else from them).
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Selhurst Celtic
Stick to spinning your wheels of steel Laz.
Maybe they'll release a 12 inch of "I'd rather be a paki than a turk" to get all those wonderful fans dancing to your beat?
Sorry, don' get it --- what's your point?
DJ Laz
05-04-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Jim Bhoy
DJ Laz, the fact that you have to go back 30 years to 1977 to rake up the Tartan Army violence at Wembley as an example of football hooliganism amongst Scottish football supporters shows how ridiculous your argument is. The way that the Tartan Army have behaved since these times is surely the best example of how to change the way your supporters represent their country when they play away in Europe. The Tartan Army used to have a huge thuggish element amongst their support, but this is definitely not the case today. They are welcomed wherever they play.
I would be interested to know the examples that you have of Celtic, Hibs and Aberdeen fans causing trouble in Europe (I'll give you the Huns, I wouldn't expect anything else from them).
Funny that, have you ever been to fixture involving Aberdeen? Or Hibs? Or, worst of all, both? Anyone who has been to games north of the border, and I have been to many, knows the deal.
Regarding the Tartan Army, I still stand by my comments --- they're not nice people to be around when the're in full flow --- as I said generally they can be tracked down abroad by following a trail of piss or puke. Can't hold their drink either --- usually get at least one twat falling off the host countries national monument and braining themselves.
Granted, they are by no stretch of the imagination the worst fans in the universe, but I guess it's correct that I do get peed off with Scots talking about the English as if they were angels themselves
Probably right also that the Scots are responsible for the "English disease" - no one was going to put up with sh*t like Wembley again --- funnily enough if we hadn't of battered the Scots at Hampden they might have become Europe's most feared hooligans!?
PS --- as a Palace fan I am glad Man Utd got battered last night --- gonna get a pizza tonight to celebrate.
Teagle
05-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Oh, joy, and now the Tottenham fans are kicking off in Seville. Credit to the Spanish police, they're not steaming in, rather they seem to be talking to them.
Pathetic.
big bad John
05-04-2007, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by DJ Laz
Funnily enough, just that happened at England v Colombia at the Giants Stadium the Summer before last.
Sadly, on that occasion it was beer bottles being rained across the seats - what a waste.
On the plus side, the NY plod knew who to give the "sticking" to - those troublesome Colombians.
The moral is --- follow England and CP Baltimore.
I take it this is tongue in cheek. I was at the match mentioned and England fans were totally out of order. When Colombia pulled a goal back their fans, who were mostly in family groups had the audacity to cheer. Cue for missiles to be hurled at them from a section of the England support.What a bunch of boring wankers they were as they tried their best to be carnavalesque but they just didn't have it. Mooning everyone every five minutes and singing non stop renditions of 'Ten German bombers' becomes a bit tiresome after a while.
Eaglesmad123
05-04-2007, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by New LP
When their fans can maybe express a little bit of regret for the Paul Nixon death and maybe start to look at what happened with Cantona in an honest way all these years on the I'll go along with what your saying. Until then it's hard to have too much sympathy for them.
Sorry mate i have to disagree. The majority of fans who follow united were not to blame for that young persons life.
I also doubt very much that they reveled in it. Every club has its eliment even palace but dont judge an entire set of supporters on an incident involving a handful.
Nork1
05-04-2007, 08:44 PM
"the police just attacked us, they weren't provoked, it were nowt to do wi us".
Yeah, right. Never is is it?
Stigma
05-04-2007, 09:24 PM
Crowd trouble with the Tottenham supporters also tonight.
8 people (+1 policeman) in hospital.
Most of the trouble seemed to start after that cheap penalty desicion. But there was also trouble before the game.
:(
214b
Brett
05-04-2007, 10:40 PM
Totally agree with Ruskin.
kayjay
06-04-2007, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by What?
Italy might be a nice country, it might not I have never been, but I hate anything to do with them and football, except Lombardo! Now there's a wholesome and learned view!!
kayjay
06-04-2007, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Teagle
Oh, joy, and now the Tottenham fans are kicking off in Seville. Credit to the Spanish police, they're not steaming in, rather they seem to be talking to them.
Pathetic. Let me guess, the Spanish fans
got whinged into submission??
Eye-dee
06-04-2007, 07:42 AM
Since when has it been acceptable to steam into a crowd and split innocent people's heads open without facing prosecution?
The Italian police were 'out of control' according to an eye-witness on the news a few moments ago, totally ignoring senior officers calls to pull back.
Disgraceful.
Alex_S
06-04-2007, 08:10 AM
As I said on another thread, anyone of regularly goes to/has been to England away or 'guested' at another clubs European away tie will not be slagging the Man Utd fans off or suggesting they deserved it.
The Italian, French and Spanish police are some of the worst thugs you come up against and when its the locals and the Old Bill against you, you have to stick together. Ive seen and been victim to random police batton charges, cs gass and herded up like animals and kept confined for hours on end for nothing more provocotive than drinking a few beers and having a singsong.
Italian football fans or 'Ultras' are amongst the cowardly of the lot. Only brave when the numbers are in their favour or they have got weapons - i hope Man Utd gave them a good shoeing and proved again that English fans wont be bullied.
The only thing Im worried about is the possibility of sanctions (or even suspension from europe?) against the FA after Spurs got into ruck with Seville fans and police also. Then again, these problems are a regular occurance in places like Italy and Holland so surely UEFA will have to deal with these countries before England - our fans are angels in comparison!
New LP
06-04-2007, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Eaglesmad123
Sorry mate i have to disagree. The majority of fans who follow united were not to blame for that young persons life.
I also doubt very much that they reveled in it. Every club has its eliment even palace but dont judge an entire set of supporters on an incident involving a handful.
The whole Holte End singing 'Oh Ah Eric Cantona' at the semi final replay days after the fans death and United fans deciding to hold a Cantona day last time we played them at Selhurst Park are examples of the completely insensitive behaviour of United fans. Ok not all United fans would actually condone killing a rival fan, but a hell of a lot of them continue to hold Cantona up as some kind of martyr and are in effect apologists for what happened. Even at the Geoff Thomas game which was the perfect oppurtunity for the 2 sets of fans to build some bridges we had the Cantona chants. Lets not also forget the venom and spite towards our supporters on that semi final day, and that was by a sizeable chunk of their following.
100% Palace
06-04-2007, 08:28 AM
If man u fans are so innocent, how come trouble has occurred at their last 2 european away games?
west country boy
06-04-2007, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Selhurst Celtic
Man Utd fans were warned (possibly unwise to make the warning so public) to keep away from the areas where the Roma Ultras gather. Don't be a twat. Man Utd (a team I have no affection for) always send their fans info about away games in Europe, so to imply they provoked the violence is daft.
Originally posted by Alex_S
As I said on another thread, anyone of regularly goes to/has been to England away or 'guested' at another clubs European away tie will not be slagging the Man Utd fans off or suggesting they deserved it.
The Italian, French and Spanish police are some of the worst thugs you come up against and when its the locals and the Old Bill against you, you have to stick together. Ive seen and been victim to random police batton charges, cs gass and herded up like animals and kept confined for hours on end for nothing more provocotive than drinking a few beers and having a singsong.
Italian football fans or 'Ultras' are amongst the cowardly of the lot. Only brave when the numbers are in their favour or they have got weapons - i hope Man Utd gave them a good shoeing and proved again that English fans wont be bullied.
The only thing Im worried about is the possibility of sanctions (or even suspension from europe?) against the FA after Spurs got into ruck with Seville fans and police also. Then again, these problems are a regular occurance in places like Italy and Holland so surely UEFA will have to deal with these countries before England - our fans are angels in comparison!
If this is true why do so many go? I fear that the actions of the MU and Spuds fans will again put England and English teams under the spotlight.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for the English government to ban all away fans for European games, national and club. It's a national problem and again the clubs are trying to blame someone other than their own fans.
Eaglesmad123
06-04-2007, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by New LP
The whole Holte End singing 'Oh Ah Eric Cantona' at the semi final replay days after the fans death and United fans deciding to hold a Cantona day last time we played them at Selhurst Park are examples of the completely insensitive behaviour of United fans. Ok not all United fans would actually condone killing a rival fan, but a hell of a lot of them continue to hold Cantona up as some kind of martyr and are in effect apologists for what happened. Even at the Geoff Thomas game which was the perfect oppurtunity for the 2 sets of fans to build some bridges we had the Cantona chants. Lets not also forget the venom and spite towards our supporters on that semi final day, and that was by a sizeable chunk of their following.
The reason they still chant his name is because he is one of there all time best players.
I dont remember the cantona day actually taking place.
eagles #1
06-04-2007, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by 100% Palace
If man u fans are so innocent, how come trouble has occurred at their last 2 european away games? Because European fans see the English as the original hooligans. Those European fans who fancy themselves decide to have a go to 'prove' themselves against the English. What are the English fans to do, stand there and take a beating? Nah, so when they defend themselves it all turns into "Look at the English thugs blah blah blah"
Maybe ;)
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Heb 7:4
06-04-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Eaglesmad123
The reason they still chant his name is because he is one of there all time best players.
I dont remember the cantona day actually taking place.
Bullshit. They don't chant his name every game, they do it against us. And I do remember Cantona Day taking place, even though their fans on various message boards had had it explained to them that it was insensitive.
Bunch of wankers.
100% Palace
06-04-2007, 04:32 PM
Reading this months 4-4-2, man ure fans are such sensitive bunnies that they re-painted "Hilsborough '98" graffiti before the visit of Liverpool this year. As well as singing, "You killed your own" throughout the match. Sensitive souls, you'll agree.
They are wanchors who deserve all they get. End of. They are as innocent as gary glitter, myra hindlay, ian huntley and harold shipman rolled into 1. End of.
Eaglesmad123
06-04-2007, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Heb 7:4
Bullshit. They don't chant his name every game, they do it against us. And I do remember Cantona Day taking place, even though their fans on various message boards had had it explained to them that it was insensitive.
Bunch of wankers.
I think you find they do. Cantona to man u fans was a legend.
orp pisshead1
06-04-2007, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Smithers-Jones
Before we get too down on the Mancs, is it worth remembering the turn out for the Geoff Thomas game?
While thats an excellent point , they are probably in a minority at utd who are proper fans. Glad they got a kicking , as to the poster saying about us losing a fan on that day that was obviously the worst of many inccedents that day. Pure scum majority of fans.
orp pisshead1
06-04-2007, 05:01 PM
What about their visit in the prem singing c*ntana songs on what i think was an anniversery(sp) of the villa pk semi, though might be wrong on last point.
Eaglesmad123
06-04-2007, 05:17 PM
I have seen man u play a few times, even in Europe and on all occasions they have sung his name.
Are you saying they are not allowed to chant the name of one of there best ever players.
orp pisshead1
06-04-2007, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Eaglesmad123
I have seen man u play a few times, even in Europe and on all occasions they have sung his name.
Are you saying they are not allowed to chant the name of one of there best ever players.
Yes when it involves playing opposition who lost a fan due to his actions.
silverymoon
06-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Why is it never ever Man U fault for anything. If Vinnie Jones had done what Cantona did that night at Selhurst Park he would still be in prison and banned for playing football for life
limited_edition
06-04-2007, 05:36 PM
When it comes to games btwn English and Italian sides, it must be the Olimpico, or rather the Rome carabinieri that are the problem. My mate told me how much they overreacted at the WC qualifyer in Rome ten, count em ten, years ago. Seems like things haven't changed much in a decade. Then there were problems btwn Roma and Boro fans in the city last season.
Funny how even though English teams have played in the San Siro and Delle Alpi down the years (including the Champs League, & England side managed by PT in 2000) and there have been no major problems.
Alex_S
06-04-2007, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by AJ
If this is true why do so many go? I fear that the actions of the MU and Spuds fans will again put England and English teams under the spotlight.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for the English government to ban all away fans for European games, national and club. It's a national problem and again the clubs are trying to blame someone other than their own fans.
What a ridiculous post.
Why do so many fans go to European games? Well, why do you think? Would you not fancy seeing Palace playing in the Uefa Cup in somewhere like Italy or Spain? (...and that's not a hypothetical question - I have a feeling we will get there some day :p )
It would be an awful decision to ban all English away fans, you couldn't do it anyway as English fans are loyal and will travel anyway. And why should you ban English fans when they/we are the victims of both the home fans and police?
You're post doesn't make sense and smacks of someone who is just talking out of his arse about a subject he knows nothing about.
Originally posted by Alex_S
You're post doesn't make sense and smacks of someone who is just talking out of his arse about a subject he knows nothing about.
No, just totally embarrased by morons of my home country....again
Originally posted by AJ
No, just totally embarrased by morons of my home country....again
I think you've misjudged the 2 situations. Granted both sets of fans have got a hooligan element but when you see innocent fans, men women and kids, getting a battering, are you just going to stand there and let it happen or would you try and pull them away from the situation.
At the Spurs game Claire Tomlinson, who reports on sky sports news, was in the away end and she said she saw a disabled fan getting bashed over the head repeatively by Spanish police.
If anyone should be embarrassed it is the Spanish and Italian police!
Originally posted by GDP
I think you've misjudged the 2 situations. Granted both sets of fans have got a hooligan element but when you see innocent fans, men women and kids, getting a battering, are you just going to stand there and let it happen or would you try and pull them away from the situation.
At the Spurs game Claire Tomlinson, who reports on sky sports news, was in the away end and she said she saw a disabled fan getting bashed over the head repeatively by Spanish police.
If anyone should be embarrassed it is the Spanish and Italian police!
No body wants to see anyone hurt, well I don't. The Spurs situation may be different, but, there is no smoke without fire. It wasn't that long ago when a Spurs fan ran onto the pitch and tried to get in a fight with Frank Lampard.
1f68
LLCOOLSTEVE
06-04-2007, 11:30 PM
They interviewed some fans who were subjected to last nights violence at the Spurs game today on Sky, amongst them were a family of 4 with 2 young kids who left at HT due to the Spanish Police, 3 season ticket holders, and a compnay director in his mid 60's, hardly smacks of hooligans AJ
LLCOOLSTEVE
06-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Teagle
Oh, joy, and now the Tottenham fans are kicking off in Seville. Credit to the Spanish police, they're not steaming in, rather they seem to be talking to them.
Pathetic.
Thats laughable, the trouble started when the police did steam in! and when the Police were taken out of the Spurs fans in the 2nd half there was no trouble at all.
limited_edition
06-04-2007, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by AJ
If this is true why do so many go? I fear that the actions of the MU and Spuds fans will again put England and English teams under the spotlight.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for the English government to ban all away fans for European games, national and club. It's a national problem and again the clubs are trying to blame someone other than their own fans.A total overreaction. This is not the mid 80s when this sort of trouble and worse was commonplace with English fans here and abroad. Trouble like this involving English fans happens once in a blue moon nowadays. Indeed, English fans have been praised by local authorities in the last 2 major championships in Germany and Portugal.
And plenty of our club sides have competed in Europe with no major problems. The biggest problem we've seen from rioting fans in recent times has come from Feyenoord fans v a French club side (Nancy ?), leading to them getting chucked out the UEFA Cup. And a fan was shot by riot police after it kicked off after a PSG v Hapoel Tel Aviv UEFA Cup game a few months back. Please put these latest incident involving English fans in context. It's not a national problem anymore.
Alex_S
07-04-2007, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by limited_edition
A total overreaction. This is not the mid 80s when this sort of trouble and worse was commonplace with English fans here and abroad. Trouble like this involving English fans happens once in a blue moon nowadays. Indeed, English fans have been praised by local authorities in the last 2 major championships in Germany and Portugal.
And plenty of our club sides have competed in Europe with no major problems. The biggest problem we've seen from rioting fans in recent times has come from Feyenoord fans v a French club side (Nancy ?), leading to them getting chucked out the UEFA Cup. And a fan was shot by riot police after it kicked off after a PSG v Hapoel Tel Aviv UEFA Cup game a few months back. Please put these latest incident involving English fans in context. It's not a national problem anymore.
And what the f*ck would you know? You're not even an England fan, or even support English teams in Europe.
How about you keep your mouth shout until you know something your talking about?
welshneil
07-04-2007, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Alex_S
And what the f*ck would you know? You're not even an England fan, or even support English teams in Europe.
How about you keep your mouth shout until you know something your talking about?
And the prize for the most intelligent post of the day goes to...:bash: :bash: :bash:
Alex_S
07-04-2007, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by welshneil
And the prize for the most intelligent post of the day goes to...:bash: :bash: :bash:
I thought you were leaving us, you ugly sheep molester? So much for goodbye eh - much more au revoir in your case eh.
Eagle Of Cray
07-04-2007, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Alex_S
And what the f*ck would you know? You're not even an England fan, or even support English teams in Europe.
How about you keep your mouth shout until you know something your talking about?
As I haven't been on the BBS too much lately I have been somewhat in the dark as to why most people consider you to be a bit of a prick. Many thanks for enlightening me.
Alex_S
07-04-2007, 09:02 AM
Apparently Roma fans asked for help from other hooligan and Nazi groups from Hadjuk Split, Den Haag, Lille, Legia Warsaw, Ferencvaros, Real Madrid, Marseilles, Lens...and Southampton, Liverpool and Burnley :eek:
Seems a little far fetched to me??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=447008&in_page_id=1779
Alex_S
07-04-2007, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Eagle Of Cray
As I haven't been on the BBS too much lately I have been somewhat in the dark as to why most people consider you to be a bit of a prick. Many thanks for enlightening me.
That's quite alright, smartarse.
Don't know why you've got the hump anyway - I just get pissed off with people spouting off crap about subjects they know nothing about.
Stigma
07-04-2007, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Alex_S
That's quite alright, smartarse.
Don't know why you've got the hump anyway - I just get pissed off with people spouting off crap about subjects they know nothing about.
Couldn't you just count to 10 sometimes..your "tirades" get's very tiresome at times:moo:
Alex_S
07-04-2007, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Stigma
Couldn't you just count to 10 sometimes..your "tirades" get's very tiresome at times:moo:
I'll do my best :angel:
limited_edition
07-04-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Alex_S
And what the f*ck would you know? You're not even an England fan, or even support English teams in Europe.
How about you keep your mouth shout until you know something your talking about? What the feck is your problem, you inbred ? Who says I'm not an England fan, nor support English clubs in Europe ? You aren't even a proper Palace fan as you don't even know basic facts about our club history and our past managers. How about you keep your mouth shout in Palace posts on other forums ? Prick. :veryangry
One Step Down
07-04-2007, 02:03 PM
1fa1
Originally posted by GDP
I...but when you see innocent fans, men women and kids, getting a battering, are you just going to stand there and let it happen or would you try and pull them away from the situation.
If you learn nothing from history, then you're probably doomed to see it repeat itself. Why anyone with an IQ over 10 would take their wife and/or child to an away European Cup game involving an English team beggars belief. Alright, it shouldn't be that way. But it is. The scenes from this week are another reason, added to the money that's ruining the game in general, why I can't be bothered with football anymore. You can argue the toss about who's to blame all night long but the fact is, you don't --whoever's at fault -- get exposed to this sort of juvenile rubbish at other sports.
Pistike
07-04-2007, 02:16 PM
Messages were also sent to Croatia, to the Torcida Split gang who follow Hajduk Split; to Den Haag in Holland; Ferencvaros in Turkey; Real Madrid's Ultras Sur; to the Curva Massilia hooligans of Olympique Marseille; and the Red Tigers of Lens.
Something tells me that this may not be an entirely accurate report - gobble gobble.
Anyhow serves the red scum right.
big bad John
07-04-2007, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Pistike
Messages were also sent to Croatia, to the Torcida Split gang who follow Hajduk Split; to Den Haag in Holland; Ferencvaros in Turkey; Real Madrid's Ultras Sur; to the Curva Massilia hooligans of Olympique Marseille; and the Red Tigers of Lens.
and according to other reliable sources to the Torquay Terror Teens and the Scarborough Scarfers.
Les Butler
07-04-2007, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by big bad John
and according to other reliable sources to the Torquay Terror Teens and the Scarborough Scarfers.
:D
Originally posted by One Step Down
Why anyone with an IQ over 10 would take their wife and/or child to an away European Cup game involving an English team beggars belief. Alright, it shouldn't be that way. But it is.
I cant argue with that. With the history with English teams in europe i personally would never take the risk of taking kids to a european game but still the police are supposed to be there to protect these people, not attack them.
One Step Down
07-04-2007, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by GDP
I cant argue with that. With the history with English teams in europe i personally would never take the risk of taking kids to a european game but still the police are supposed to be there to protect these people, not attack them.
You're right. But then you'd probably get more protection from Sting, Copeland and the other bloke than you would from the Carabinieri in the Foro Italico on match night. Ironic, isn't it, that Mussolini's masturbatorial "masterpiece" is home to that sort of security operation?
LLCOOLSTEVE
08-04-2007, 04:41 PM
I cant believe the reports about the Spurs fan who got his teeth knocked out. After the game he was by the team coach, and Paul Robinson posed for a picture from on board the coach, all of a sudden the guy was hit by a spanish cop and then while on the floor hit across the face again with a baton, he lost 3 of his front teeth and the rest of his upper teeth are now loose, Robinson and Keane ran off the coach to help him and pull the cop off him, after hospital treatment he was chucked in a cell for the night and was only released after paying £800 fine for attacking a policeman!
Eaglesmad123
08-04-2007, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Pistike
Messages were also sent to Croatia, to the Torcida Split gang who follow Hajduk Split; to Den Haag in Holland; Ferencvaros in Turkey; Real Madrid's Ultras Sur; to the Curva Massilia hooligans of Olympique Marseille; and the Red Tigers of Lens.
Something tells me that this may not be an entirely accurate report - gobble gobble.
Anyhow serves the red scum right.
So you think women and children and OAP'S deserved a beating on that night.
One Step Down
08-04-2007, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Eaglesmad123
So you think women and children and OAP'S deserved a beating on that night.
Good question, but trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time.
kayjay
08-04-2007, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by One Step Down
If you learn nothing from history, then you're probably doomed to see it repeat itself. Why anyone with an IQ over 10 would take their wife and/or child to an away European Cup game involving an English team beggars belief. Alright, it shouldn't be that way. But it is. The scenes from this week are another reason, added to the money that's ruining the game in general, why I can't be bothered with football anymore. You can argue the toss about who's to blame all night long but the fact is, you don't --whoever's at fault -- get exposed to this sort of juvenile rubbish at other sports.
Take a step up, One Step Down!
New LP
10-04-2007, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Eaglesmad123
The reason they still chant his name is because he is one of there all time best players.
I dont remember the cantona day actually taking place.
To do it at that particular time days after the death of the fan at a game versus Palace was highly provocative, I remember Jonathan Pearce making the point on the Capital Gold coverage at the time. And remember it or not the 'Cantona day' did take place.
Originally posted by Maidstoned Eagle
From what i've seen you can't really tell, what you can see though is loads of Roma fans on one side of a barrier exchanging insults and throwing missiles at man U fans. the Man U fans return the compliment. But what got me was that on the Italian side there was just some stewards ushering them away, Man u side? Baton wheeling riot police.
Good. Manu fans deserve a kicking whereever and whenever they may be.
sexyrazor
10-04-2007, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by CHE
Good. Manu fans deserve a kicking whereever and whenever they may be.
Harsh.
Nork1
10-04-2007, 04:30 PM
1f85
But fair.
Pistike
10-04-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Eaglesmad123
So you think women and children and OAP'S deserved a beating on that night.
Yes.
P.Hep
10-04-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Pistike
Messages were also sent to Croatia, to the Torcida Split gang who follow Hajduk Split; to Den Haag in Holland; Ferencvaros in Turkey; Real Madrid's Ultras Sur; to the Curva Massilia hooligans of Olympique Marseille; and the Red Tigers of Lens.
Something tells me that this may not be an entirely accurate report - gobble gobble.
Anyhow serves the red scum right.
What a poor poor article. Marseille's support has a strict left wing/anti fascist stance and the swastikas outside Romas stadium would be from the right wing lazio support.
zuper zalace
11-04-2007, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by CHE
Good. Manu fans deserve a kicking whereever and whenever they may be.
what a knob.
i hope it was the roma fans that were done. man u are still english
Embassy No.1
13-12-2007, 09:34 AM
Six held as United fans stabbed Roma fans
The clashes came ahead of United's game against Roma
Six Britons have been arrested after fighting broke out ahead of Manchester United's Champions League tie against Roma in the Italian capital.
Five United fans were stabbed during skirmishes between a group of 50 rival fans on Wednesday evening.
Four of the six Britons detained were formally charged with obstructing police officers in their duty. Two others were released without charge.
None of the stabbed fans suffered serious injuries.
Embassy staff said it appeared there were no further disturbances as fans left the stadium after the game, which finished 1-1.
The violence flared at the Pont Duca d'Aosta bridge, the scene of many clashes between visiting fans and Roma's Ultras contingent.
Police used two baton charges to disperse the fans during the violence, which was the latest in a series of clashes between supporters of the two clubs.
The last time the two teams met in April, 11 fans were taken to hospital after supporters were beaten by riot police inside the stadium. Three United supporters were also stabbed outside the ground.
Scuffles also broke out outside Old Trafford during the second leg of the tie a week later, with 21 people arrested.
Greater Manchester Police officers had travelled to Rome before this latest match and had issued warnings to hooligans not to attend.
With the two sides having a history of trouble United manager Sir Alex Ferguson admitted he was disappointed by the scenes in the city.
"This is something we hoped would not happen," he said.
"We wanted a nice quiet night and to be able to go home with no incident. It is disappointing that has not happened.
"Obviously, we are not sure of the details but we hope the supporters concerned will be okay."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/7141752.stm
Embassy No.1
13-12-2007, 09:37 AM
United fans stabbed in clashes in Rome before Champions
Seven Manchester United supporters were taken to hospital after violence flared before the Champions' League clash with Roma in Italy.
British Embassy officials in Rome said five fans received stab wounds while two others, including a 16-year-old boy, needed treatment for being drunk.
None of the stab victims is understood to have serious injuries following the clash between the rival fans outside the Stadio Olympico. Most are expected to be released by the end of the night, said an embassy spokeswoman.
Earlier the Foreign Office said two British nationals were arrested but embassy staff said they could not confirm if anyone had been detained.
Italian media have reported that six British nationals were arrested by police.
The embassy spokeswoman said: "Seven Manchester United supporters were taken to hospital after fighting broke out on the Pont Duca d'Aosta bridge which fans cross over the river to get to the stadium.
"Five are receiving treatment for stab wounds while two others, one who was a 16-year-old boy, were understood to be drunk.
"Their injuries are not thought to be serious and most of them will be discharged in the next couple of hours. One person may be kept in overnight for observation.
"The situation in the stadium is now fine and everything is running smoothly."
She added she could not confirm if any Britons had been arrested.
The embassy had warned travelling fans beforehand not to use the Pont Duca d'Aosta bridge because it was habitually used by Roma's notorious Ultras - a following of hardcore fans.
Scenes of violence and disorder marred the two clubs' Champions League games last season, although this season's group match in Manchester in October passed off peacefully.
Eighteen United fans needed hospital treatment in April after clashes on the terraces in Rome and outside the ground.
Italian police were accused by United club officials of handing out "indiscriminate beatings" as they charged United supporters with batons.
Violence flared again a week later at the return leg at Old Trafford when scuffles broke out outside the ground.
A volley of missiles was thrown at Roma supporters as they entered the away end turnstiles and 21 people, including 14 United fans, were arrested.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson had hoped tonight's game would pass off peacefully but the British Embassy in Rome had warned supporters faced a "real danger of attack" by the Ultras.
The 1,200 British supporters who made the journey were largely shepherded into the stadium two hours before kick-off, with clear segregation in place in the less than capacity crowd.
Greater Manchester Police officers travelled to Rome and before the game warned hooligans not to attend.
They liaised with their colleagues in Italy to identify any known or potential troublemakers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=501556&in_page_id=1779
OldPeanutSeller
13-12-2007, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by eaglejez
Where did anyone say the English are totally innocent ?
As for Roma, if what you say is true maybe they should be banned from playing in Europe (do we have to tolerate 'the ultras'). Can you imagine us tolerating the ICF !
Spot on. We wouldn't tolerate the ICF. Last time they tried it on with me, i told them to fvck off, or I'd fill them in.
Baldy
13-12-2007, 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Embassy No.1
[b]Five United fans were stabbed during skirmishes between a group of 50 rival fans on Wednesday evening.
:D :D :lux: :lux: :lux:
stevek
13-12-2007, 02:54 PM
Are you really clapping the fact that five people were stabbed or am I missing something?
surrey g
13-12-2007, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by stevek
Are you really clapping the fact that five people were stabbed or am I missing something?
No you're not missing anything. :hmph:
New LP
13-12-2007, 02:59 PM
It's hard to feel too much sympathy for them to be honest.
surrey g
13-12-2007, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by New LP
It's hard to feel too much sympathy for them to be honest.
They know what to expect from Roma fans who have plenty of previous for using knives. They carved up the Scousers in '83 which may have triggered the trouble that caused the Heysel disaster the following year even though it was Juventus fans on the receiving end. Not that I'm exonerating the scousers in any way, shape or form. Murderers! Murderers!
stevek
13-12-2007, 03:03 PM
OK, as long as I'm clear that we think people being stabbed is something to be celebrating :hmph:
littlecsaesar
13-12-2007, 03:10 PM
After witnessing the Man U scum on the dodgy Real Football Factories last night, fook em.
surrey g
13-12-2007, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by littlecsaesar
After witnessing the Man U scum on the dodgy Real Football Factories last night, fook em.
What were they up to? Was Danny Dyer with them and describing them as a right naughty little firm?
imashed
13-12-2007, 03:18 PM
were they all stabbed in the arse {knifves]that is;)
surrey g
13-12-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by imashed
were they all stabbed in the arse {knifves]that is;)
Safe way of hurting someone without too much damage I suppose. Vicious bstds. Reminds me of Long Good Friday.
pallet
13-12-2007, 03:24 PM
It is very sad that anyone get hurts at Football to be honest. However one thing I would say is that surely the Italian Police have it right. They give you a warning, you dont move so the hit you until you do, fair play. Shame some of the liberal idiots from this country were'nt in the crowd to experiance it.
Baldy
13-12-2007, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by stevek
OK, as long as I'm clear that we think people being stabbed is something to be celebrating :hmph:
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