Borrowdale Rejects New Contract [Archive]

Big Blue Eagle

01-05-2007, 02:00 PM

From the Hounslow Guardian:

Borrowdale rejects new Palace deal
By Stuart Pink
Comment

Borrowdale: Rejects new Eagles deal
Crystal Palace defender Gary Borrowdale could be heading through the Selhurst Park exit door after rejecting a new Eagles contract.

The 21-year-old is out of contract at the end of the season and has cast doubt over his future at the club by refusing to put pen to paper on a new deal offered to him by the Selhurst Park club.

"I don't know what's going on yet, so I will have to sit down with the manager and the chairman and hopefully thrash something out," said Borrowdale.

"I've had a couple of meetings with the manager. I've had one written offer which I've turned down."

However, despite rejecting the new terms Borrowdale insists he is still hopeful of remaining at Palace next season.

Borrowdale said: "I'm confident I will be here next season - but it's down to other people. It's there decision at the moment."

Palaceboy222

01-05-2007, 02:02 PM

I think he would be a big loss

dannyboy1807

01-05-2007, 02:04 PM

that happens all the time though you never accept the first contract given to you

Absolution

01-05-2007, 02:08 PM

Massive lost if he goes, has been the most improved player certainly.

With Granville gone he should probably be on 'first team' wages as he will be starting full back next year. Don't mess this one up Jordan/Taylor!

New LP

01-05-2007, 02:08 PM

Why is the Hounslow Guardian interested in Palace?

East-End Eagle

01-05-2007, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by dannyboy1807
that happens all the time though you never accept the first contract given to you

Dont say that, this thread deserved at least 5 pages of "traitor", "good riddence", "club have ••••ed up again" type comments......

palace & proud

01-05-2007, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Palaceboy222
I think he would be a big loss

:o

Santos-er

01-05-2007, 02:10 PM

Why the hell are we only talking to him now???

RDSdaEAGLE

01-05-2007, 02:10 PM

Its a non-story. He probably got offered crap terms as a marker, and the negotiations will begin properly.

patrickmoore123

01-05-2007, 02:11 PM

Keep him..him and wiggins will be great left backs..borrowdale is starting to get confident and not shouted at (maybe cause ward isnt in the team anymore) :p

Phil O'Sophical

01-05-2007, 02:14 PM

Interesting to know if salaries are being reduced following loss of the parachute payment.

01-05-2007, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Santos-er
Why the hell are we only talking to him now???

Is he actually out on contract this summer or next? Does anyone know for sure, as I haven't seen his name mentioned before as being out of contract this summer.

eagle gary

01-05-2007, 02:20 PM

let him go he,s shit

ZOHAR

01-05-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by eagle gary
let him go he,s shit

Are you familiar with the term knobjockey?

Big loss is Gary goes, didn't realise he was out of contract too.

Hopefully like RDSdaEAGLE says its all part of the negotations. Though i wonder if he's been contacted by a Premier League team like Reading after his recent performances?!

Il Padrino

01-05-2007, 02:26 PM

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/sport/headlinesport/display.var.1367615.0.borrowdale_rejects_new_palac e_deal.php

Hope this gets sorted, he has been good lately

01-05-2007, 02:31 PM

Mind you, if the reports are correct about how good Rhoys Wiggins is, then Palace may be looking through Borrowdale at Wiggins for the future, which would have a bearing on what is being offered.
Also, Borrowdale may know that Wiggins is likely to replace him in the near future and either wants a good deal(ala Tommy Black) or wants to consider a future elsewhere.

Mickey1punch

01-05-2007, 02:43 PM

Its probably just his agent pushing for a better deal, it sounds like he wants to stay.

zuper zalace

01-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Big Blue Eagle
From the Hounslow Guardian:

Borrowdale rejects new Palace deal
By Stuart Pink
Comment

Borrowdale: Rejects new Eagles deal
Crystal Palace defender Gary Borrowdale could be heading through the Selhurst Park exit door after rejecting a new Eagles contract.

The 21-year-old is out of contract at the end of the season and has cast doubt over his future at the club by refusing to put pen to paper on a new deal offered to him by the Selhurst Park club.

"I don't know what's going on yet, so I will have to sit down with the manager and the chairman and hopefully thrash something out," said Borrowdale.

"I've had a couple of meetings with the manager. I've had one written offer which I've turned down."

However, despite rejecting the new terms Borrowdale insists he is still hopeful of remaining at Palace next season.

Borrowdale said: "I'm confident I will be here next season - but it's down to other people. It's there decision at the moment."

:lux: :lux: :lux: :lux:

philsick

01-05-2007, 02:57 PM

Why didn't they sort this out earlier,when tom & ben signed.a routledge like mistake i reckon.

Big Blue Eagle

01-05-2007, 03:04 PM

I do remember a story earlier in the year about him waiting to see what the club was going to offer - given his patchy form but promise over the past two seasons I can see some logic in delaying an offer. However, with the form he has shown over the second half of the season we would be crazy to let him go.

As for the odd couple of people seemingly please we could lose an England U21 player for nothing.......:bash: :grrr:

nottsunieagle

01-05-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Phil O'Sophical
Interesting to know if salaries are being reduced following loss of the parachute payment.

Can't imagine him being on big money. Maybe we're playing hardball since Wiggins is to come through next season.

Benzhiyi

01-05-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Big Blue Eagle
As for the odd couple of people seemingly please we could lose an England U21 player for nothing.......:bash: :grrr:

He's under 24, so we'd get a transfer fee if he moved to another club so long as we've offered him an improvement upon his current contract.

Mr Palace

01-05-2007, 03:19 PM

I don't rate him overly but I would like to see how he develops and it would be a loss, especially with Granville leaving. It's amazing that we haven't tied him to a longer deal already though, especially after what happened with Gray and Routledge.

Big Blue Eagle

01-05-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Benzhiyi
He's under 24, so we'd get a transfer fee if he moved to another club so long as we've offered him an improvement upon his current contract.

Appreciate that - not the point I was making.

Shipp Ahoy!

01-05-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by ZOHAR
Hopefully like RDSdaEAGLE says its all part of the negotations. Though i wonder if he's been contacted by a Premier League team like Reading after his recent performances?!

Just a point I doubt Reading would be they have Shorey (who's being tipped for England at some point).

Btw Gary's shite on Champ Man (03/04 version) :p

Seriously though wouldn't want to lose him but agree this is only the opening round and I for one expect him to sign a new contract.

deftones_eagle

01-05-2007, 03:31 PM

i think he's be a massive loss to the team, played very well recently.

Stu

David

01-05-2007, 03:32 PM

I'd be suprised if he wanted to stay at Palace especially after the treatment he received last season from this message board in particular.

Hope he stays, he had a great game on Sunday.

CHERRY TREE BRB

01-05-2007, 03:37 PM

I think Wiggins would have been first choice this season if it wasn't for his injury, nevertheless Borrowdale has been reasonably solid this season and would definitly be a loss

eagle101

01-05-2007, 03:40 PM

Should really work hard to keep him. Easily our most improved player this season.

gold76

01-05-2007, 03:44 PM

Disappointing, but hopefully something will be resolved, we should be due compensation if he does leave due to his age, I'd have thought. With Granville leaving, that would leave us with just Rhoys Wiggins, maybe PT will renew his interest in Lincoln's Jeff Hughes.

Trist

01-05-2007, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by David
I'd be suprised if he wanted to stay at Palace especially after the treatment he received last season from this message board in particular.

Hope he stays, he had a great game on Sunday.
Agreed. It's funny how things turns around.

It this was a year ago I get most on here would be saying get rid.

I'll admit that I would probably have been one of them too... fair play to Gary for making me eat my hat (so to speak)
:p

Icy

01-05-2007, 04:01 PM

Shipp Ahoy!

01-05-2007, 04:16 PM

AATOT

ardeo

01-05-2007, 04:30 PM

Would imagine that he is on a low youngsters wage, and the wage increase was only up to a back up player. Would guess he would take some kind of squad rotation wage.

(All relating to foot man squad roles, as I can't speculate on actual money)

orp pisshead1

01-05-2007, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by AJ
Mind you, if the reports are correct about how good Rhoys Wiggins is, then Palace may be looking through Borrowdale at Wiggins for the future, which would have a bearing on what is being offered.
Also, Borrowdale may know that Wiggins is likely to replace him in the near future and either wants a good deal(ala Tommy Black) or wants to consider a future elsewhere.

Thing is AJ while wiggins is indeed an outstanding prospect there's no guarantee(sp) he'll return the same player after such a long lay off. Get GB signed up as soon as cos not only has he vastly improved he's an eagle at heart and you can't have enough players in the team with a genuine passion for the club.

JohnA

01-05-2007, 04:52 PM

Hope he stays for us & for him. allow him to develop further & for us to benefit.
After losing Routledge we shouldn't be in a rush to lose another starlet.

Justy C

01-05-2007, 05:25 PM

He is making progress now which is good to see. However, he is a long way from the first name on the teamsheet and I wouldn't expect a massive queue of clubs to be in for him right now.

I hope he stays, but I also hope he is being realistic in what he is asking for.

Jason

01-05-2007, 05:29 PM

Hopefully this will get sorted, but it does disturb me that we seem to be developing a bit of a habbit of paying silly wages to has-beens, while losing out by not offering apropriate terms to our better young player

macstar

01-05-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Shipp Ahoy!
AATOT

damn you beat me to it.

Kuqi32

01-05-2007, 05:32 PM

Last Season I Would Be Like...O Let Him Go...
But This Year He Has Played Awesome At Times...Looks Confident On The Ball Now...

Hope He Signs A New Deal

Ruskin Old Boy

01-05-2007, 05:38 PM

God forbid another good youngster leaves. Pray that Taylor doesn't plan to play Kennedy at left back.

prizesucker

01-05-2007, 07:14 PM

C'mon PT and Gary... Sign!!

cantspell

01-05-2007, 07:19 PM

Played very well on sunday

arussell

01-05-2007, 07:26 PM

Don't be too silly Gary, remember what happened to David Hunt.

GDP

01-05-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by eagle gary
let him go he,s shit

Borrowdale has been the most improved player this season, he can only get better.

nookiebear

01-05-2007, 09:31 PM

Can't blame him, he gets slagged off way too much and doesn't deserve half of it

David Amsalem

01-05-2007, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by arussell
Don't be too silly Gary, remember what happened to David Hunt.

Lol, Borrowdale is a bit more established then David Hunt.

eagles forever

01-05-2007, 09:50 PM

If he wants to go, let him, he's not worth dishing out big wages for...biggest improver this year maybe, but still i'd still rather a fully fit granville. There are better left backs we could get.

David Amsalem

01-05-2007, 10:02 PM

There is no such thing as a fully fit Danny Granville.

macstar

01-05-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by eagles forever
If he wants to go, let him, he's not worth dishing out big wages for...biggest improver this year maybe, but still i'd still rather a fully fit granville. There are better left backs we could get.

like others have said, his agent has turned down the FIRST offer. he will sign, im comfident of that.

come on Gary:lux:

sydnsteve

02-05-2007, 08:47 AM

Played v well vs Derby, and is improving. I can't believe we'd let him go, as who on earth would we get in his place? Decent LBs are not easy to find.

Popester

02-05-2007, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by nookiebear
Can't blame him, he gets slagged off way too much and doesn't deserve half of it

He may have been criticised in the past, but I've only hear him being cheered this season.

nellis

02-05-2007, 09:06 AM

Gary has had a good season and I would be peed off if the club let him go. He's was superb against Derby, best player on the pitch.

ZOHAR

02-05-2007, 09:19 AM

Eagles could lose Borrowdale

Crystal Palace could lose England U21 international Gary Borrowdale for a pittance after the defender turned down a new deal at Selhurst Park.

The 21-year-old is out of contract at the end of the season and, if he fails to agree a new deal, the Eagles will not only be unable to prevent him from joining another club in the summer, but the fee would be set by a tribunal.

"I do not know what's going on yet," said Borrowdale. "I will have to sit down with the manager and the chairman and hopefully thrash something out.

"I have had a couple of meetings so far with the manager and had one written offer, which I have turned down."

The defender is disappointed the Eagles have not offered him a deal which he feels is in line with his achievements at Selhurst Park this season.

"He has made 25 appearances and replaced regular left-back Danny Granville in the process.

With out-of-contract Granville set to the leave the club in the summer, Palace could be left without a senior left-back on their books.

But Borrowdale is adamant he would like to remain at Selhurst Park and one day go on to captain the club, leading the Eagles' promising young players such as Jonny Bostock and Victor Moses.

"I would love to be captain," he said. "It's a long way off at the moment as there are a lot of senior players here.

"If you can get five, six or seven players through the ranks into the team, it will be good for the club.

"Moses and Bostock are the ones getting the headlines but there is a lot of other players coming through that look like they have potential.

"If they can keep going and break into the first team, the future is really bright at the club."

For the time being, the Sutton-born defender is focusing on the Eagles' last game of the season against Colchester United on Sunday before considering his next move.

"My aim is here at the moment," he added. "If something happens, I will have to look at it when the season is over. My first priority is Crystal Palace.

"I'm confident I will be here next season but it's down to other people. It's their decision at the moment."

SOURCE - www.croydonguardian.co.uk

ANDYEAGLE

02-05-2007, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by sydnsteve
Played v well vs Derby, and is improving. I can't believe we'd let him go, as who on earth would we get in his place? Decent LBs are not easy to find.

Yes he has improved of late, but I am still not convinced about him.
He has a serious lack of pace and that is something I cant see improving.
We have needed a decent left back for years and as you say they are hard to come by. He is probably worth persisting with as we have no other options.

Beanie

02-05-2007, 12:41 PM

Reading the report two things are clear - he still speaking to PT and he wants to stay.These are negotiations - the club will make a first offer, but know they'll pay more, the player will make a first request and know he'll get less. Plenty of time to find common ground.

nookiebear

02-05-2007, 01:06 PM

It's no coincidence his improvement in form has come with a regular run in the team, is it?

He'll only get better as well

PalaceMonkey

02-05-2007, 01:09 PM

he's had regular runs before, but I am impressed with him at the mo'

Cleon

02-05-2007, 01:13 PM

This is just negotiation. The kid is 21, so he can't leave on a free anyway providing the contract we've offered is at least as good as his previous one.

I have no doubt that he will sign a new contract shortly.

p.stew

02-05-2007, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by David Amsalem
There is no such thing as a fully fit Danny Granville.

lol:p

Sussex Eagle

02-05-2007, 07:00 PM

People acting like Gary is some future star is a bit vomit-worthy. Offer him a fair wage for a first-teamer and I imagine he'll take it. But he's far from irreplacable.

ZOHAR

02-05-2007, 08:51 PM

Maybe Bozza hates the new club shirt?!

sydnsteve

03-05-2007, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
People acting like Gary is some future star is a bit vomit-worthy. Offer him a fair wage for a first-teamer and I imagine he'll take it. But he's far from irreplacable.

So who would you replace him with, bearing in mind we ain't spending anything?

Freddy Kurz

03-05-2007, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Ruskin Old Boy
God forbid another good youngster leaves. Pray that Taylor doesn't plan to play Kennedy at left back.

Shouldn't we be asking Simon Jordan about Borrowdale, since it has
been either he or young players' agents (or both) who have usually
been responsible for the departure of so much of Palace's young
talent in the past?

According to Taylor he is about to meet Jordan to discuss his
player budget for next season. No doubt Borrowdale's agent
has also read the same newspaper reports and has persuaded
his client to make known his disatisfaction with his current
contract, before that meeting takes place.

Freddy Kurz

03-05-2007, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by sydnsteve
So who would you replace him with, bearing in mind we ain't spending anything?

Who, precisely, from the club has said 'we ain't spending anything'?
How does groundless speculation in any way help Palace to maximum
season-ticket sales, without which there WILL BE NO MONEY to bring
in players.

Why are Palace fans so anxious to put the boot in to a Club most of
us on BBS have supported all our lives?

It is a most depressing development, following on from the booing of
Watson taking a Palace penalty at Selhurst Park, the regular attacks
on Peter Taylor and other players, and the campaign not to renew
season-tickets. Have some fans got a death-wish for our Club?

I've even been ridiculed on BBS for pointing out when I began
supporting Palace!

Personally, I shall continue supporting CPFC no matter what
League it finds itself in.

Apparently club-loyalty for some, has now become a thing of the
past.

Is it because some of our fans mistakenly believe that Palace can
still "punch above it's weight" against the elite clubs the media
keep telling us so much about? The days when such a
thing was possible are now rapidly disappearing, since the
Premiership did it's last deal with "Sky"........

PalaceMonkey

03-05-2007, 09:22 AM

I think Bozza with Wiggins as back up LB should be fine next season.

We've always got Lawrence for emergency LB duty.

Beanie

03-05-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Freddy Kurz
Who, precisely, from the club has said 'we ain't spending anything'?
How does groundless speculation in any way help Palace to maximum
season-ticket sales, without which there WILL BE NO MONEY to bring
in players.

Why are Palace fans so anxious to put the boot in to a Club most of
us on BBS have supported all our lives?

It is a most depressing development, following on from the booing of
Watson taking a Palace penalty at Selhurst Park, the regular attacks
on Peter Taylor and other players, and the campaign not to renew
season-tickets. Have some fans got a death-wish for our Club?

I've even been ridiculed on BBS for pointing out when I began
supporting Palace!

Personally, I shall continue supporting CPFC no matter what
League it finds itself in.

Apparently club-loyalty for some, has now become a thing of the
past.

Is it because some of our fans mistakenly believe that Palace can
still "punch above it's weight" against the elite clubs the media
keep telling us so much about? The days when such a
thing was possible are now rapidly disappearing, since the
Premiership did it's last deal with "Sky"........
Well said - the worst thing about the BBS is the desire of some to constantly knock the club. So many ready to believe anything that is anti the club, no matter how vague, and to ridicule anything positive.

GodstoneEagle

03-05-2007, 12:01 PM

Left-back Gary Borrowdale has told Crystal Palace to offer him a better contract or he will quit in the summer. (Daily Mirror)

glaziers fan

03-05-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by arussell
Don't be too silly Gary, remember what happened to David Hunt.

who?;)

Sussex Eagle

03-05-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by sydnsteve
So who would you replace him with, bearing in mind we ain't spending anything?
As Freddy says, how d'yknow that then? If he were to go (which I'm not saying I want to happen) Tony Capaldi of Plymouth's contract is up for one. He's a better and more versatile player, but probably not gonna get snapped up by a Prem club. Perfect for us.

Clapham Grand

03-05-2007, 12:11 PM

would be sad if we let him go

glaziers fan

03-05-2007, 12:15 PM

He won't go and is a much improved player, bu that said we're looking at Jeff Hughes, Tony Capaldi is decent and then there is Wiggins...

I hope he stayys,, but just pointing out there are other options...

nomad

04-05-2007, 10:13 PM

Improved player yes, massive loss no. Good going forward but lacks pace to defend. Positional sense questionable.

Ogilvy

04-05-2007, 10:36 PM

Most Improved Player........... what a ridiculous honour. Why don't we re-word to:-

Couldn't get any worse.
Tries hard and I feel sorry for him.
Local lad, young and has the odd occasional good game.

Or get real and admit that he's been tomorrows 'boy' for years and is obviously not as good as he thinks he is, I'd like to see Palace stick to the contract offer and then await the clamour :rolleyes: for his signature if he refuses...........

limited_edition

04-05-2007, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Sussex Eagle
As Freddy says, how d'yknow that then? If he were to go (which I'm not saying I want to happen) Tony Capaldi of Plymouth's contract is up for one. He's a better and more versatile player, but probably not gonna get snapped up by a Prem club. Perfect for us. Capaldi would be an excellent signing. He can cover left wing, too. But whether we could get him is another matter. There's always Jeff Hughes who we were linked with. Who I know not much about. Still, I'm hoping we can reach some sort of compromise and keep Gary.

st albans

04-05-2007, 11:43 PM

yes, he's slightly improved this season, but he's not quick enough, his positioning isn't good and he stands of wingers allowing them too much space, and he's not a strong tackler and doesn't put good balls in the box

i'm not sure what all the hype is all about. he's better than he was, but he was pretty poor last season, in 3/4 years he's not moved on

ANDYEAGLE

05-05-2007, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by nomad
Improved player yes, massive loss no. Good going forward but lacks pace to defend. Positional sense questionable.

You can actually get away with a lack of pace as a defender, but Gary's problem is his lack of pace for getting forward.
IMO a good fullback must have pace. Neither GB or Lawrence have pace and we miss that attacking width. Gary has improved and lawrence has been good cover,but neither would be great losses.
Replacements? Thats the problem. Can see both starting next year.

mean

06-05-2007, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by nomad
Improved player yes, massive loss no. Good going forward but lacks pace to defend. Positional sense questionable.

Spot on. He will never be anything else than a mediocre footballer, and if we are aiming for the top level we cant be carrying someone with such limitations in such a key position.

Most improved player? Maybe, but there was room for it wasnt there, and he has now played well over 100 games. One good game against Derby dosnt make up for some of the complete rubbish at times during the rest of the season.

If he gets a better offer let him go, otherwise a fair wage and wait for a better younster to come through, which is sounds like is on the horizon.

Celestial Empire

06-05-2007, 11:30 AM

What a load of negative nonsense, especially this last post.
Borrowdale has become a solid player and is still improving. Good English left backs are not two a penny (he is an U21 international).
Will Wiggins make a good recovery and become a better option ? Can PT snap up an even better player (:rolleyes: ) who knows ? Time will tell.
Borrowdale is a solid part of our improving team.
Quick, skillful striker and good young RB are the priorities.
Meddling with the team beyond these two positions, now that it is finally becoming settled, will just set back our new season form.
And at the very least, the club has invested a lot in Borrowdale and he has transfer value. It would be looney to just allow him to walk away on a free for the sake of a modest wage increase.

Jay_Palace

06-05-2007, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by limited_edition
Capaldi would be an excellent signing. He can cover left wing, too. But whether we could get him is another matter. There's always Jeff Hughes who we were linked with. Who I know not much about. Still, I'm hoping we can reach some sort of compromise and keep Gary.

Jeff Hughes who has never played at this level before. Bozza is a very, very good CCC left back and can only get better. Losing him would be a very big blow I feel.

However I'm not worried about this happening. Players rarely accept the first offer put to them and they are understandably holding out for a better deal. Perhaps a more pertinent question would be why Palace persist in taking so long to tie down our youngsters to long term contracts. It's really very galling to see us splash out umpteen thousands per week on flops like Kennedy, Kuqi and Scowcroft, yet we try and screw over the home grown kids from our academy.

We brought about the Routledge situation ourselves, I sincerely hope that we don't repeat that with Borrowdale.He has earnt a much improved long term deal and he deserves it. The club needs to pull its finger out.

mean

06-05-2007, 05:15 PM

a89

Originally posted by Celestial Empire
What a load of negative nonsense, especially this last post.
Borrowdale has become a solid player and is still improving. Good English left backs are not two a penny (he is an U21 international).
Will Wiggins make a good recovery and become a better option ? Can PT snap up an even better player (:rolleyes: ) who knows ? Time will tell.
Borrowdale is a solid part of our improving team.
Quick, skillful striker and good young RB are the priorities.
Meddling with the team beyond these two positions, now that it is finally becoming settled, will just set back our new season form.
And at the very least, the club has invested a lot in Borrowdale and he has transfer value. It would be looney to just allow him to walk away on a free for the sake of a modest wage increase.

Suggest you take off your rose tinted's fella. He's not good enough, never will be, not even contibuting as much as Lawrence down the right IMHO, and he's not set the world alight.

Solid he aint, but I'll give you the transfer fee bit, that would be nice.

Not just picking from english left backs are we?

wedgetail

06-05-2007, 08:06 PM

If we could only find which is the real Gary Borrowdale, the complete buffon who played against Wednesday or the top half premiership defender who played against Derby.
I don't think that we can let him escape now when he has shown the ability to be a first team player SOME OF THE TIME. and on the brink of being able to do it all of the time.

ee-ay-ee-ay-ee-ay-o

07-05-2007, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by mean
Suggest you take off your rose tinted's fella. He's not good enough, never will be, not even contibuting as much as Lawrence down the right IMHO, and he's not set the world alight.

Solid he aint, but I'll give you the transfer fee bit, that would be nice.

Not just picking from english left backs are we?

Spot on.

He's too slow to be even a decent Championship full back...and far too easily drifts out of position and loses the player he is 'sposed to be marking. I wouldn't keep him, even as a squad player.