View Full Version : Spurs to reside at Wembley for season 2008/09? (while White Hart Lane is redeveloped)
Dorking .Eagle
09-05-2007, 08:20 AM
News story going round that Spurs have bought up neighbouring land and are planning to turn their ground 90 degrees in order to increase it to 50,000 seats
Spurs open talks to use Wembley while White Hart Lane is redeveloped
Tottenham have moved a step closer to a major redevelopment of White Hart Lane by opening talks aimed at becoming temporary tenants at Wembley.
Spurs are determined to cement a permanent place in the Champions League over the next few seasons but are fully aware the 36,000 capacity at their High Road home is just not big enough to pull in the revenue needed to back their ambitious project.
The club wants to rebuild the Lane in instalments with the major additions being to the West Stand, East Stand and Paxton Road sections of the ground.
New facilities will include restaurants and a museum and shops and businesses on the High Road and behind the north end of the ground have already been bought up and are ready for demolition as soon as final agreements about the building work are signed.
There will eventually be enough room for more than 50,000 fans to watch Martin Jol's team in action - and with 23,000 current season ticket holders, 20,000 more on the waiting list and a burgeoning membership scheme, there should not be any problems in filling all the seats on a regular basis.
Key to work beginning on White Hart Lane is the redevelopment of the Northumberland Park rail station and an extension to underground services on the Victoria line.
But it is believed Tottenham, in partnership with Haringey Council, have successfully petitioned Transport for London and that the work will go ahead.
Spurs believe moving to the lavish new Wembley is the best way to overcome the difficulties presented by the major reconstruction works.
They have ruled out groundsharing with neighbours Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium, even though it is nearer to White Hart Lane and easier for most of their supporters to travel to.
The redevelopment work could start as early as next year meaning Spurs would move to Wembley for the 2008/2009 campaign.
And if all goes to plan, it will be a major feather in the cap of dynamic Spurs chairman Daniel Levy, who has already turned round the club's fortunes on the pitch with his strong boardroom leadership.
A Tottenham source said: "There has been a lot of hard work behind the scenes for a couple of years now and the club are hope their plans will soon come to fruition."
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/article-23394919-details/Spurs+open+talks+to+use+Wembley+while+White+Hart+L ane+is+redeveloped/article.do
patch
09-05-2007, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Dorking .Eagle
Key to work beginning on White Hart Lane is the redevelopment of the Northumberland Park rail station and an extension to underground services on the Victoria line.
The worst walk in the world must be the walk from Sevens Sisters tube to White Hart Lane
Andrews69
09-05-2007, 09:00 AM
Does anyone else think this would be a travesty for English football and make Wembley lose so much credibility?
Wembley should be sacred, it should be designated for only the best of the best. England (in theory) and cup finals. Someone plays in it every week and it's just another football ground. I don't want Wembley ruined before it's even started.
Or is this just me?
davematt
09-05-2007, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Andrews69
Does anyone else think this would be a travesty for English football and make Wembley lose so much credibility?
Wembley should be sacred, it should be designated for only the best of the best. England (in theory) and cup finals. Someone plays in it every week and it's just another football ground. I don't want Wembley ruined before it's even started.
Or is this just me?
I think the FA are more bothered about the ££££ they could make from this.
Agree though; it would certainly lose some credibility.
Baffled Bob 2
09-05-2007, 09:10 AM
It's not just you.
But Wembley is not sacred. It's a vast money-making enterprise.
Cup semi finals will be played there next year.
And if Spurs can pay, then they can play.
richdeniro
09-05-2007, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Andrews69
Does anyone else think this would be a travesty for English football and make Wembley lose so much credibility?
Wembley should be sacred, it should be designated for only the best of the best. England (in theory) and cup finals. Someone plays in it every week and it's just another football ground. I don't want Wembley ruined before it's even started.
Or is this just me?
Agree with you 100%
I remember when there was talk of Arsenal putting money into the building of Wembley and it possibly being their home stadium.
I thought that was a naff idea at the time.
For me, Spurs only option would be to move into one of the other north London clubs stadiums if they want to rebuild theirs.
But this is The FA we're talking about, anything to make a bit of cash.
Originally posted by Andrews69
Does anyone else think this would be a travesty for English football and make Wembley lose so much credibility?
Its done that already with the FA semi's being held there from next season onwards. And the Arsenal Champions league a few years back.
Wembley should be the show piece for the 2 cup finals only, but its all about money in this day and age.
33c8
Andrews69
09-05-2007, 09:29 AM
Have they officially confirmed next seasons semi finals as being held there?
A fcuking disgrace if they have.
Villa Park is the ultimate semi final venue!
Originally posted by Andrews69
Have they officially confirmed next seasons semi finals as being held there?
A fcuking disgrace if they have.
Villa Park is the ultimate semi final venue!
Yeah i think it is all done and dusted. Personally i would like to see the playoffs kept in Cardiff and Leave Wembley just for the finals.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Spurs playing home matches at Wembley, such is the greed of the FA.
Dorking .Eagle
09-05-2007, 11:00 AM
Wembley will host ALL FA Cup Semi Finals for the next 25 years
Even if it is Newcastle vs Sunderland!
Don't forget, this is an FA who made Arsenal and Chelsea play a semi Final at Old Trafford with a noon kick off
I know many will disagree but the downward spiral started with Simod/Zenith Cup Finals and Leyland/Auto Windscreen Cup Finals being played there, then continued with many FA Cup Semi Finals, play offs, and even Arsenal Champions League games (where they strangely never won any)
Club Wembley debenture holders would have something to say if all these games didn't play there, and the 17,000 of those pays the mortgage
Dorking .Eagle
30-10-2008, 12:11 PM
Looks like Spurs are pushing on with their plans for a 60k stadium:-
• A world-class scheme incorporating a new stadium with a capacity of 60,000, a Club museum, new shops, new homes, a new base for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation and important new public space
• Delivered on the current site and adjacent land, ending concerns about a move out of the Borough
• No need for a temporary move during construction
• Significant local benefits and a huge boost to the area
• Potential catalyst for wider regeneration and further investment
• First public exhibition to open from 14 November - 18 November
The Club is delighted to announce that, having concluded an extensive review of suitable sites and viable alternatives, its preferred stadium option is to remain at the Club's spiritual home in Tottenham - the option known to be the fans' favourite.
The existing 36,000 capacity stadium has remained unchanged for over a decade and the club is currently in the position of having 70,000 registered club members and a waiting list for season tickets of around 22,000 people.
The Club is preparing plans for a world class scheme incorporating a new stadium, Club museum, shops and homes, new facilities for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation and important public space. The plans will enable the team to remain at the current site throughout construction.
Daniel Levy, Chairman of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club said:
"The Northumberland Development Project would deliver a world class scheme and substantial new investment for Haringey and our supporters. It represents a significant step in the growth of the Club, with a proposed stadium capacity of 60,000 and would provide state-of-the-art facilities, important public space, new jobs and homes and a significant boost for the local economy.
"It would also enable us to provide a new base for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation so that its award winning programmes can continue and have an even greater impact in the local community.
"Tottenham Hotspur is proud of its roots in Haringey. We have been in the Borough for 126 years and the Club is inextricably linked with this part of London. We believe that this scheme has the potential to create a truly inspirational environment for the Club and the community as well as acting as the catalyst for the uplift of the wider area.
"We are at an early stage of what is part of our long term plans for the Club and now we want the views of local people and our fans. I hope people will take the time to look at our plans and let us have their comments."
Councillor George Meehan, Leader of Haringey Council, said:
"I am delighted that Tottenham Hotspur has confirmed its commitment to remain in our borough.
"We have always regarded Spurs as one of Haringey's prime assets. They bring major economic benefits to our borough and carry out some excellent community work through the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation.
"But more than anything, Spurs has played an integral role in giving a sense of identity to the area it calls home. Tottenham would not be Tottenham without its football club.
"We have been working extremely hard to regenerate the Tottenham area, which suffered so much from industrial decline. Real progress is being made, and it is extremely pleasing that Spurs has demonstrated that they share our commitment to this continuing regeneration.
"But, as always, we will consider very carefully any plans that are submitted to us, as we strive to ensure that a new stadium delivers real benefits for all who live and work in the area."
The plans, which will be unveiled at the first public exhibition later this month, cover an area of around 20 acres including the site of the current ground and the adjacent industrial estate. The new stadium would be sited largely to the North of the existing one.
In policy terms, the area is within the 'Tottenham High Road Regeneration Corridor' and identified in the Haringey Unitary Development Plan (UDP) as a "major site for potential redevelopment" to act as a "catalyst for prime regeneration".
The transport infrastructure around the stadium is already in place, with 4 stations (White Hart Lane, Northumberland Park, Seven Sisters and Tottenham Hale) and over 100 buses an hour serving the stadium area. Together these deliver a total capacity in excess of 90,000 passengers an hour.
The recent introduction of a match-day Controlled Parking Zone together with improved dedicated match-day services and a public information campaign to supporters, means that just over a third of people now come by car with the majority using public transport.
The Club will now undertake a thorough consultation programme with the local community and will also continue to consult with supporters. A first public exhibition is being organised to present the Club's vision for the area with the public invited to make comment on the plans. These comments will be considered and more detailed information will then be presented at a second exhibition before a planning application is submitted to Haringey Council.
richdeniro
30-10-2008, 12:30 PM
Looks like Spurs are pushing on with their plans for a 60k stadium:-
• A world-class scheme incorporating a new stadium with a capacity of 60,000, a Club museum, new shops, new homes, a new base for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation and important new public space
• Delivered on the current site and adjacent land, ending concerns about a move out of the Borough
• No need for a temporary move during construction
• Significant local benefits and a huge boost to the area
• Potential catalyst for wider regeneration and further investment
• First public exhibition to open from 14 November - 18 November
The Club is delighted to announce that, having concluded an extensive review of suitable sites and viable alternatives, its preferred stadium option is to remain at the Club's spiritual home in Tottenham - the option known to be the fans' favourite.
The existing 36,000 capacity stadium has remained unchanged for over a decade and the club is currently in the position of having 70,000 registered club members and a waiting list for season tickets of around 22,000 people.
The Club is preparing plans for a world class scheme incorporating a new stadium, Club museum, shops and homes, new facilities for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation and important public space. The plans will enable the team to remain at the current site throughout construction.
Daniel Levy, Chairman of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club said:
"The Northumberland Development Project would deliver a world class scheme and substantial new investment for Haringey and our supporters. It represents a significant step in the growth of the Club, with a proposed stadium capacity of 60,000 and would provide state-of-the-art facilities, important public space, new jobs and homes and a significant boost for the local economy.
"It would also enable us to provide a new base for the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation so that its award winning programmes can continue and have an even greater impact in the local community.
"Tottenham Hotspur is proud of its roots in Haringey. We have been in the Borough for 126 years and the Club is inextricably linked with this part of London. We believe that this scheme has the potential to create a truly inspirational environment for the Club and the community as well as acting as the catalyst for the uplift of the wider area.
"We are at an early stage of what is part of our long term plans for the Club and now we want the views of local people and our fans. I hope people will take the time to look at our plans and let us have their comments."
Councillor George Meehan, Leader of Haringey Council, said:
"I am delighted that Tottenham Hotspur has confirmed its commitment to remain in our borough.
"We have always regarded Spurs as one of Haringey's prime assets. They bring major economic benefits to our borough and carry out some excellent community work through the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation.
"But more than anything, Spurs has played an integral role in giving a sense of identity to the area it calls home. Tottenham would not be Tottenham without its football club.
"We have been working extremely hard to regenerate the Tottenham area, which suffered so much from industrial decline. Real progress is being made, and it is extremely pleasing that Spurs has demonstrated that they share our commitment to this continuing regeneration.
"But, as always, we will consider very carefully any plans that are submitted to us, as we strive to ensure that a new stadium delivers real benefits for all who live and work in the area."
The plans, which will be unveiled at the first public exhibition later this month, cover an area of around 20 acres including the site of the current ground and the adjacent industrial estate. The new stadium would be sited largely to the North of the existing one.
In policy terms, the area is within the 'Tottenham High Road Regeneration Corridor' and identified in the Haringey Unitary Development Plan (UDP) as a "major site for potential redevelopment" to act as a "catalyst for prime regeneration".
The transport infrastructure around the stadium is already in place, with 4 stations (White Hart Lane, Northumberland Park, Seven Sisters and Tottenham Hale) and over 100 buses an hour serving the stadium area. Together these deliver a total capacity in excess of 90,000 passengers an hour.
The recent introduction of a match-day Controlled Parking Zone together with improved dedicated match-day services and a public information campaign to supporters, means that just over a third of people now come by car with the majority using public transport.
The Club will now undertake a thorough consultation programme with the local community and will also continue to consult with supporters. A first public exhibition is being organised to present the Club's vision for the area with the public invited to make comment on the plans. These comments will be considered and more detailed information will then be presented at a second exhibition before a planning application is submitted to Haringey Council.
http://www.geocities.com/barry_bearer/spurs.jpg
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Embassy No.1
30-10-2008, 02:46 PM
Just in from Levy regarding the new Stadium:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4430793,00.html
Riccardo
30-10-2008, 03:06 PM
http://www.geocities.com/barry_bearer/spurs.jpg
That is probably the best thing I've seen on the BBS for the last month or so.
limited_edition
30-10-2008, 03:22 PM
So the Levy isn't dry after so many compo packages paid out to sacked managers in the last few years.
Dorking .Eagle
30-10-2008, 03:42 PM
From what I can gather, Spurs have been buying up the industrial land to the north of their ground for several years now - seems like they have finally got a big enough piece of land to build a proper big ground (whereas the existing site is hemmed in by roads to the rear of 3 of the 4 sides)
Strictly Palace
30-10-2008, 03:57 PM
Councillor George Meehan, Leader of Haringey Council, said:
"I am delighted that Tottenham Hotspur has confirmed its commitment to remain in our borough.
"We have always regarded Spurs as one of Haringey's prime assets. They bring major economic benefits to our borough and carry out some excellent community work through the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation.
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Doubt whether we will ever hear such comments about Palace and Croydon from a Croydon Councillor.
waddoneagle
30-10-2008, 04:33 PM
The real downer for me is that each year Selhurst Park does not get any better, and i don't want to move!.
Woodside_CP
30-10-2008, 04:58 PM
Does anyone else think this would be a travesty for English football and make Wembley lose so much credibility?
Wembley should be sacred, it should be designated for only the best of the best. England (in theory) and cup finals. Someone plays in it every week and it's just another football ground. I don't want Wembley ruined before it's even started.
Or is this just me?
Didn't Arsenal play their home champions league games at the old Wembley a few years back?
As others have pointed out, Wembley isn't really sacred, just a cash cow for the FA. If it was sacred, joke sports like American football wouldn't be played there.
Dorking .Eagle
30-10-2008, 05:01 PM
Ther thread title is a bit misleading (sorry) - I tagged todays news onto an old thread about Spurs revamping WHL from 18 months ago.
Their latest plans would not require them to play at Wembley as their proposed new ground location is right next door to their current one
Woodside_CP
30-10-2008, 05:02 PM
News story going round that Spurs have bought up neighbouring land and are planning to turn their ground 90 degrees in order to increase it to 50,000 seats
Spurs open talks to use Wembley while White Hart Lane is redeveloped
Spurs are determined to cement a permanent place in the Champions League over the next few seasons but are fully aware the 36,000 capacity at their High Road home is just not big enough to pull in the revenue needed to back their ambitious project.
There will eventually be enough room for more than 50,000 fans to watch Martin Jol's team in action - and with 23,000 current season ticket holders, 20,000 more on the waiting list and a burgeoning membership scheme, there should not be any problems in filling all the seats on a regular basis.
For all the expense and effort of rotating the whole pitch 90 degrees, it seems a little pointless just for an extra 14,000 seats.
If they have all these fans, why not making it a 65,000 seater stadium? With 23,000 current ST holders, 20,000 on the waiting list and loads of members, they will sell out most games at 50,000. For bigger games against arse, man utd etc surely they could fill a 65,000-70,000 stadium?
limited_edition
30-10-2008, 05:30 PM
Didn't Arsenal play their home champions league games at the old Wembley a few years back?
As others have pointed out, Wembley isn't really sacred, just a cash cow for the FA. If it was sacred, joke sports like American football wouldn't be played there.It was disasterous for them. I vaguely remember them getting knocked out at the Group Stage when Batigoal (Batistuta) scored for Fiorentina at Wembley. If anything, playing at Wembley seemed to fire up the oppositon more than the 'home' side.
As for Spuz, with no new tube being built in the area I presume, transport problems will only get worse going to the new Lane. It's bad enough for the Arse at the Emirates, and they have 2-3 tube stations in the area.
Dorking .Eagle
30-10-2008, 05:35 PM
For all the expense and effort of rotating the whole pitch 90 degrees, it seems a little pointless just for an extra 14,000 seats.
If they have all these fans, why not making it a 65,000 seater stadium? With 23,000 current ST holders, 20,000 on the waiting list and loads of members, they will sell out most games at 50,000. For bigger games against arse, man utd etc surely they could fill a 65,000-70,000 stadium?
Please see posts dated from today onwards Woodside - the latest plans are for 60,000 seats.
jookbeard
30-10-2008, 06:59 PM
For all the expense and effort of rotating the whole pitch 90 degrees, it seems a little pointless just for an extra 14,000 seats.
If they have all these fans, why not making it a 65,000 seater stadium? With 23,000 current ST holders, 20,000 on the waiting list and loads of members, they will sell out most games at 50,000. For bigger games against arse, man utd etc surely they could fill a 65,000-70,000 stadium?
Ive often thought that , they have so far fallen comically behind the Gooners in everything they do,success,a state of the art stadium, constantly changing managers, terrible transfer deals, the stupid "Director of Football" disaster,the fine way Arsenal is run, their lack of a scouting network, and in 2 words Arsene Wenger, yet if they built a superb purpose built 75k stadium that could gain a Fifa 5 star rating they could come out of this with a heap of credibility, yep Daniel Levy and his sidekicks screw it up again!
m355y
30-10-2008, 07:10 PM
It is so depressing that where a week ago there was doom, gloom and imminent relegation for one of THE smuggest football teams in the country, a new manager and two games later and it's back to qualifying for Europe and building a new stadium. God damnit.
still bottom......*clutches a straw*
1d03
Billyd
30-10-2008, 09:35 PM
So much contradiction going on here. At the end of the day bloody millions was paid to build wembley, in order to justify it the FA are allowing to host more events and games (eg cup semi finals) whilst i agree it doesnt make the final quite as special its the right thing to do in a business sense and for the good of English football. Far to many people forget that organisations and football clubs want to at least balance their books!!!
With regard to Tottenham, is only going to be one year, its not like its forever. In theory that money the FA get from Tottenham (one of the big boys in english football) could be used in grass roots football etc
LSEagle
30-10-2008, 09:40 PM
Ive often thought that , they have so far fallen comically behind the Gooners in everything they do,success,a state of the art stadium, constantly changing managers, terrible transfer deals, the stupid "Director of Football" disaster,the fine way Arsenal is run, their lack of a scouting network, and in 2 words Arsene Wenger, yet if they built a superb purpose built 75k stadium that could gain a Fifa 5 star rating they could come out of this with a heap of credibility, yep Daniel Levy and his sidekicks screw it up again!
I think I'm right in saying it's very difficult for clubs to get planning permission for more than 60,000 seats (Utd being the obvious exception).
Dorking .Eagle
31-10-2008, 06:56 AM
With regard to Tottenham, is only going to be one year, its not like its forever. In theory that money the FA get from Tottenham (one of the big boys in english football) could be used in grass roots football etc
Spurs are NOT going to play at Wembley for a year now! See yesterdays press release that I posted :-
"No need for a temporary move during construction"
sw16girl
31-10-2008, 07:33 AM
Ive often thought that , they have so far fallen comically behind the Gooners in everything they do,success,a state of the art stadium, constantly changing managers, terrible transfer deals, the stupid "Director of Football" disaster,the fine way Arsenal is run, their lack of a scouting network, and in 2 words Arsene Wenger, yet if they built a superb purpose built 75k stadium that could gain a Fifa 5 star rating they could come out of this with a heap of credibility, yep Daniel Levy and his sidekicks screw it up again!
Sorry but pedant point - Fifa 5* rating doesn't exist anymore - it is now Category 1, 2, 3 or Elite - for elite status you only have to have a minimum of 30k seats - there are a lot of provisions on surrounding facilities though - I would be surprised if the new stadium isn't going for elite status.
jookbeard
31-10-2008, 10:31 AM
Sorry but pedant point - Fifa 5* rating doesn't exist anymore - it is now Category 1, 2, 3 or Elite - for elite status you only have to have a minimum of 30k seats - there are a lot of provisions on surrounding facilities though - I would be surprised if the new stadium isn't going for elite status.
Same thing really Platini is now pushing for ECL final stadiums to have a 70k min seater cap
Son of Ron
31-10-2008, 10:40 AM
well it will be the only way the current Spurs team will get to Wembley....and if they are relegated it will a nice away day for us !!!
gadford4th
31-10-2008, 10:50 AM
I think I'm right in saying it's very difficult for clubs to get planning permission for more than 60,000 seats (Utd being the obvious exception).
In london the only stadium allowed to be over 60k is wembley.
Baldy
31-10-2008, 11:12 AM
He stands at the back of the Shelf
He goes to the bar to buy a lager
But only gets one for himself.
:afro:
jookbeard
31-10-2008, 11:16 AM
I think I'm right in saying it's very difficult for clubs to get planning permission for more than 60,000 seats (Utd being the obvious exception).
Not too sure about that ,is it a local authority/police/health and safety issue? Sir Alex wants Old Trafford to extend even further to 90k plus, Twickenham was able to be fully developed to 80k plus, The new Anfield is a 70k project, and if the west/east stand could be extended at St James Pk that could give a 65k plus cap, and if the UK is going to have a successful bid for 2014 World Cup we could need a couple of 70k plus stadiums as the media centers in all stadiums always reduces the capacity
st albans
31-10-2008, 11:21 AM
wembley or no wembley i hope they ••••••• rot wherever they play
Skin Up
31-10-2008, 12:55 PM
Well, I'm not convinced that Harry is all that, let's hope that their brand spanking new away end is sparasly populated by 200 MK Dons fans for a championship match when it's finished.
Baldy
31-10-2008, 01:20 PM
wembley or no wembley i hope they ••••••• rot wherever they play
:p
:lux: :lux:
Celestial Empire
31-10-2008, 09:26 PM
It is so depressing that where a week ago there was doom, gloom and imminent relegation for one of THE smuggest football teams in the country, a new manager and two games later and it's back to qualifying for Europe and building a new stadium. God damnit.
still bottom......*clutches a straw*
Exactly.
Joe Lewis must be some senile, John Paul Getty type billionaire, either that or Levy is his love child. How much does this prat have to pour down the drain before the old man lets him go ?
Lewis allegedly dropped $900M on Bear Stearns.
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