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Lizzy
05-09-2007, 11:59 AM
anything 250+ I think is defendable if the bowlers fire (bit of a big if) - we should really be looking at 270 plus or so from the position we are in now.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:08 PM
We could defintately get 270+ right now.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:08 PM
more sixage! :lux:
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 12:10 PM
Brilliant counter attack from England. Luke Wright is looking very impressive :)
Aki Aki Aki
05-09-2007, 12:13 PM
Luke Wright should have been playing for England a long time ago. How we missed his type of play in the World Cup earlier this year. A huge talent.
maestro
05-09-2007, 12:22 PM
Ran out - Damm, was unlucky
Well played Luke Wright, great debut performance!
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:24 PM
Bugger - great knock. Well done Luke!
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:25 PM
ahem... not to mention Owais' fantastic innings as well :)
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:26 PM
And that was a fantastic 4 from Shah - great stuff.
bunghole
05-09-2007, 12:28 PM
England should've taken some of these young blokes to the last WC.
Absolution
05-09-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Aki Aki Aki
Luke Wright should have been playing for England a long time ago. How we missed his type of play in the World Cup earlier this year. A huge talent. Probably the right time for him to come into the side really. Has had pretty much a full season for Sussex to develop on a decent season last year. It is good Moore has got a side with more 'specialist' batsman and one day players.
Mascarenhas and Wright may prove to be solid additions to the side in the long run. Shah has done well against the Windies and has found his feet against India now as well!
Loye should have gone to the World Cup to exploit the powerplays though as you said, that was obvious at the time.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:35 PM
come on lads, we can get another 30 runs here!
Great recovery.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:39 PM
Ton up Shah! :lux:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 12:39 PM
Well played Sir
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:44 PM
useful 6 there :)
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:44 PM
And another from Mascherenas!:lux:
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
AND ANOTHER!!! :lux:
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
crazy stuff!
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
and again! four in a row!!! :lux:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
OMG this is brill
Lizzy
05-09-2007, 12:45 PM
bloody hell - mentalist stuff! :)
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 12:46 PM
5 sixes bloody good
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:46 PM
YESSS!!!! 5 sixes!!!! :lux: :lux: :lux:
Lizzy
05-09-2007, 12:46 PM
5 sixes in a row!!
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 12:46 PM
5 Sixes. Shame about the first ball - guess he was getting his eye in
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 12:46 PM
JUST DO THAT EVERY BALL FFS :o :o :lux: :lux:
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:46 PM
••••••• fantastic stuff! Brilliant, well played england! :lux: :lux: :lux:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 12:47 PM
36 off 15 ;)
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 12:47 PM
1f46
30 off the last over has to be some kind of record
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 12:47 PM
Bloody hell! Who would have thought it...316-6 :D Well played to Shah, Wright and at the end Mascherenas...fantastic stuff from them:lux:
RickyB
05-09-2007, 12:48 PM
Just spoken to OJ - they've had five pints already - it's an omen! :)
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 12:49 PM
Nassers back on, i'm off. KNOB
HELL YEAH! Great cricket in the last 20 odd overs.
kolinkins
05-09-2007, 12:52 PM
Amazing stuff. I cant wait to watch the highlights.
El Aguila
05-09-2007, 12:53 PM
Damn hell! Still I expect it will be on youtube this evening.
bunghole
05-09-2007, 12:57 PM
Wow, that was a big knock! :eek:
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 12:58 PM
177 off the last 18 overs:eek: :D :lux: :lux:
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 02:22 PM
India started well.
maestro
05-09-2007, 02:32 PM
Indian going well, I think England will struggle without Flintoff, just not enough wicket takers.
Panasaer has got to come up with the goods today but Im doubtfull tbh.
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 02:34 PM
The bowling attack does indeed look weak and conditions perfect for batting, i think India will win this comfortably
maestro
05-09-2007, 03:04 PM
I think you might be right, with flintoff in the side its a different story, him and panasaer could really keep the run rate down.
Theres still hope though!
Originally posted by Godstone Eagle
The bowling attack does indeed look weak and conditions perfect for batting, i think India will win this comfortably
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 03:31 PM
Tendulkar out in the 90's once more.. England coming back into the game a little
oz_da II
05-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Wow, that was terrible...
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Back in it now...Yuvraj and Dravid both gone.
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 04:15 PM
We need a wicket
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Stavros 69
We need a wicket
BOSH
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 04:23 PM
Cheerio:hi:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 04:33 PM
Why was that delivery wide ?? the one that went for 4
mydream
05-09-2007, 04:37 PM
were going to win !! xD
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 04:43 PM
Lazy Lazy KP
oz_da II
05-09-2007, 04:45 PM
Well fielded, KP :lux:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by oz_da II
Well fielded, KP :lux:
I dont like him either, he's no Thorpe.
maestro
05-09-2007, 04:52 PM
India getting very lucky!,
oz_da II
05-09-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by mydream
were going to win !! xD
Are you Indian?
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 04:53 PM
Big over for India that... game turned in their favour now
mydream
05-09-2007, 04:54 PM
nope i was just being positive
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 04:59 PM
BOOM HEADSHOT !!!!
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 04:59 PM
Dhoni gone...great over from Broad:lux:
mydream
05-09-2007, 05:00 PM
Yeahhh
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:02 PM
This is tight
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:02 PM
lucky
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:03 PM
Monty is the shittest fielder i have ever seen
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:04 PM
he's crap!
That had to be a runout!
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:04 PM
1fe0
OUT MO FO
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:04 PM
Yes!!!!
Come on England!
Great throw.
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:05 PM
That has given us sometime to compose.
mydream
05-09-2007, 05:06 PM
we can win this
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:06 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:07 PM
And another!!
Well done Stuart :lux:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:07 PM
I love the way he out rins him
Lizzy
05-09-2007, 05:07 PM
great stuff. Khan gone now.
This is a good fight back.
Broad is showing the signs of being a great player.
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 05:07 PM
Wicket but more importantly dot ball
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:08 PM
That was a bitch of a shot :bash:
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:08 PM
That was a shot
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:08 PM
••••••!
Godstone Eagle
05-09-2007, 05:08 PM
Game over surely
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 05:08 PM
Superb shot from the batsman though
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Lizzy
Broad is showing the signs of being a great player. Sure is! Great stuff.
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:09 PM
Of all the people fine leg why monty !!!
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:09 PM
••••.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:09 PM
•••• •••• SHIT.
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:09 PM
Bollocks
Lizzy
05-09-2007, 05:09 PM
oh •••• it.
Oh well tees it up nicely for the last game at Lords.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Ah well, Well done India, great finish.
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Fair enough. 316 never looked enough
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Sloppy field cost us.
RickyB
05-09-2007, 05:10 PM
What a game for OJ, Stevek et al to see; Was going to go today as well, shame I wussed out :(
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Stavros 69
Sloppy field cost us. Agreed. Felt sorry for Jimmy. Bowled a lot better than the figures suggest.
maestro
05-09-2007, 05:11 PM
Shit! that is bloody annoying.
How many edges did the Indians get at the end. must have been 6 fours!
I thought England were sloppy in the field today, it was a stupid idea to have panasear at short fine leg when the batsmen was aiming there, the only time it came to him he let it through his legs!
Aki Aki Aki
05-09-2007, 05:12 PM
Momentum with India now, they'll be inspired to beat England at Lords
and win the series 4-3. Good effort from the old gits.
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Agreed. Felt sorry for Jimmy. Bowled a lot better than the figures suggest.
Again agreed. Also it just shows that our top order are chokers and we dont want to win enough. India threw themselves around the field and sacrificed at the right time to keep their run rate going. We have to want it more. Typical english mentaility.
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:13 PM
What's the chance of getting a ticket for Lords ?? :D
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:16 PM
My plan if i batted against England would be find Monty and hit it at him
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by Stavros 69
My plan if i batted against England would be find Monty and hit it at him Or more simply don't aim at Bell or Collingwood.
I'd also target Cook, Lewis, and KP
Stavros 69
05-09-2007, 05:26 PM
The funny thing was i used to play with Monty and i dont remember him being that bad at fielding.
maestro
05-09-2007, 05:35 PM
Id love flintoff back for teh next game, I think he makes a huge difference, if he is fit id put him in for Cook and move Luke Wright up the order, either opening or number 3.
Prior
Wright
Bell
Pieterson
Collingwood
Shah
Flintoff
Mascarenhas
Broad
Anderson
Panasear
211c
Adlerhorst
05-09-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Stavros 69
The funny thing was i used to play with Monty and i dont remember him being that bad at fielding. Everything's relative ;)
maestro
05-09-2007, 06:01 PM
I think collingwood also got his field places a bit wrong with Anderson, he was bowlign good yorkers, I would have put fine leg and a very fine third man on the boudary aswell as having long on and off, make the batsmen hit square off a yorker if they want.
Diggers digs in?
05-09-2007, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Or more simply don't aim at Bell or Collingwood.
I'd also target Cook, Lewis, and KP
But it's not a sport. :)
Anyway great game. Watched the highlights at work, truly gripping stuff.
And also, great point maestro. Probably would have saved the match today.
ebyeeckeagle
05-09-2007, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Stavros 69
... Also it just shows that our top order are chokers and we dont want to win enough. India threw themselves around the field and sacrificed at the right time to keep their run rate going. We have to want it more. Typical english mentaility.
Sorry Stav, but that's a crock of shite. India have bottled it themselves so many times over the years, and in this series (i have been to two matches to see their contrary sides). Hardly an 'english mentality'.
Oddjob
05-09-2007, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Fair enough. 316 never looked enough
316 was a great score, I would bet that the the number of teams who have posted that and lost are pretty few and far between in the context of the modern game
Eng lost the game in the first 6/7 overs of the India innings IMHO.
A fantastic game of cricket though.
crystaljim
05-09-2007, 11:08 PM
Sounds like a great game to chase down 316 is a mammoth effort. Shame the little master didn't get the ton he deserved. Shah looks to have come good.
stevek
06-09-2007, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Oddjob
316 was a great score, I would bet that the the number of teams who have posted that and lost are pretty few and far between in the context of the modern game
Eng lost the game in the first 6/7 overs of the India innings IMHO.
A fantastic game of cricket though.
I thought at the time 316 was about 10 runs short. But from the position we were in it was an incredible effort to get that far - the last over will live long in the memory.
Gav The Hamster
06-09-2007, 10:09 AM
HAving watched the last few overs again this morning, having a finer third man and fine leg would have helped as mentioned above.
If we are trying to hit the bottom of middle stump, why have fine leg in the ring ? It doesnt take much to get inside the line and glance it down to that region which would be 4 everytime contact was made off the pacemen.
The fielding in those remaining few overs left something to be desired as well.
Radders
06-09-2007, 01:55 PM
Whatever happens in the decider this has been a series that has had many positives for our one day side that have been so f**king useless in the last few years.
Cook, Bell & Shah have all got their maiden tons. Bell's form has been fantastic. Pieterson is class although out of form in this series. Anderson, Broad and Panesar have all bowled more than decent and Bopara, Mascherenhas and Wright have all showed they have some future at this level.
The one real down point for me has been Prior. Too many failures and is his keeping really that good?? I don't think so personally.
If we get Freddie fit and sort out the opener/keeper position then the future could be very bright.:p
Steve in Phoenix
06-09-2007, 05:44 PM
Bear in mind this is a team that went out in the group stages. Two bad teams beating each other.
maestro
06-09-2007, 09:04 PM
I think Prior has done okish, I dont think its easy opening when Zaheer Khan is bowling.
Panasear has been the dissapointment for me, compared the the Indian spinners he's looked distinctly average, I know he hasnt played alot of one day cricket but im not sure the international stage is the best place for him to learn. He doesnt offer anything with his batting or fielding, I think it might be worth giving someone else a go
Freddie makes a huge amount of difference, just his bowling alone, him and a spinner at the other end in the middle overs could really tie the run rate up, plus he's by far the best death bowler we have, if he had been fully fit we would have won that game
Im really looking forward to saturday, I just hope its a good contest, dont know if freddie will be playing but fingers crossed :p
Originally posted by Radders
The one real down point for me has been Prior. Too many failures and is his keeping really that good?? I don't think so personally.
If we get Freddie fit and sort out the opener/keeper position then the future could be very bright.:p
maestro
06-09-2007, 09:07 PM
England have improved alot though since the world cup but I agree I dont think either side is fantastic.
India's top order is superb but they have no allrounders so a long tail, plus there fielding and running is laughable at times.
England lack wicket taking bowlers, specially without flintoff, plus the opeing partnership is unreliable ofcourse.
Originally posted by Steve in Phoenix
Bear in mind this is a team that went out in the group stages. Two bad teams beating each other.
Absolution
06-09-2007, 09:49 PM
Lets just say win or lose at Lords the team has at least made a step forward.
Can't see the current opening batsman really staying together too long if Luke Wright begins to establish himself in the side. Ideally Cook will continue at the top of the order as I think with more games under his belt he could become a useful ODI batsman that can hold the innings together. Don't have a massive problem with Prior and he is still young enough to improve his keeping and batting at this level.
Bowlers have been a relative success, Broad and Anderson will need backing up from someone.. obviously Flintoff can do this superbly but in his absence we just have the mediocre bowling of Colly! In the long run (i.e. year to 18 months) maybe someone like Rashid, or a slightly more seasoned spinner who can bat, bowl and field can offer us a better ODI spin option if Panesar doesn't work out.. but who knows.
1f75
maestro
06-09-2007, 10:15 PM
I agree with that Absolution, definately a step forward, have really enjoyed this series!
Stil have doubts about cook but he's so young he can only get better!
Roll on saturday
oz_da II
06-09-2007, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Radders
The one real down point for me has been Prior. Too many failures and is his keeping really that good?? I don't think so personally.
It stinks. Very poor down leg side, needs a lot of work.
Adlerhorst
07-09-2007, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by oz_da II
It stinks. Very poor down leg side, needs a lot of work. Whereas James Foster is a better batsman and a vastly better keeper. Why oh why oh why do we keep ignoring him.
Adlerhorst
07-09-2007, 08:03 AM
As for the rest, well i have watched a lot more one day cricket than i normally do (normal approach is to turn on for the last ten overs), and whilst i still feel my normal approach gets all the interesting parts in, i now feel i can actually comment on the rest of it.
Of the batting, Bell has been the huge positive ray of sunshine, and KP has been the real let down. The rest was all a bit mixed
Of the bowling, Monty has lots to learn in terms of what pace to bowl when, but that will come with maturity. I'd stick with him for the time being as there are no other decent spinners. Schofield is a potential replacement as offers a lot more with the bat and in the field, and the way Monty is bowling at present, offers no less with the ball.
Fast bowlers - Broad shows promise. Anderson has taken on the additional responsibility well and has beel let down by the field a fair few times.
Tremlett needs to sort his length out in this form of the game and there is no future in international one day cricket for Lewis.
The Hampshire aussie has been fun but is nothing more than a fifth/six bowler and a late order slogger. Think he would be okay in the subcontinent, but would quite fancy playing against him on aussie / sa pitches. Still did his job so fine.
Real let down has been the fielding.
Al From Bromley
07-09-2007, 04:35 PM
India were awesome at The Oval. One shot Tendulkar played was breathtaking in it's ferocity. A cover drive like a fecking bullet.
maestro
07-09-2007, 06:00 PM
England confident Flintoff will be fit for tomorrow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6981949.stm
I wonder who they will leave out? I suppose it would have to be Mascarenhas although that would be incrediably harsh on him after his contribution last, game, you cant really leave out Wright after he looked so good.
personally Id leave out cook and let Wright open.
Prior
Wright
Bell
Pieterson
Collingwood
Shah
Flintoff
Mascarenhas
Broad
Anderson
Panasear
Oddjob
07-09-2007, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Al From Bromley
India were awesome at The Oval. One shot Tendulkar played was breathtaking in it's ferocity. A cover drive like a fecking bullet.
No they weren't, I am ••••••• sick of this every shot Tendulkar plays being so much better than everybody else.
Yes he's a great player but FFS England played OK as well !
maestro
07-09-2007, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Oddjob
No they weren't, I am ••••••• sick of this every shot Tendulkar plays being so much better than everybody else.
Yes he's a great player but FFS England played OK as well !
I totally agree 100%, Im fed up of hearing about the guy, I was reading 606 the other day and ive never seen more nonsense, its like in football any goal that Ronadinho scores is so much better than an identical goal you see scored in league 2.
The truth is Tendulkar was selfish, he should have gone off in the last game when he was injured, instead he tried to be the hero, stayed on and gave his wicket away putting his team in trouble.
oz_da II
07-09-2007, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by maestro
The truth is Tendulkar was shelfish
An oyster?
maestro
07-09-2007, 10:43 PM
He reminds me more of a little lobster
Godstone Eagle
08-09-2007, 08:55 AM
Flintoff back in the team for the decider..replacing Cook. Guess Luke Wright will open with Prior?
Godstone Eagle
08-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Cheerio Saurav:hi: 26-1
Godstone Eagle
08-09-2007, 10:25 AM
Great stuff from England..two quick wickets, India reeling now
west country boy
08-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Good stuff. However, Matt Prior is still a louse.
Highbury Eagle
08-09-2007, 10:40 AM
59-4:)
RickyB
08-09-2007, 11:42 AM
Looking very good at 119-6.
India on target for 240 max, if they don't run out of wickets!
Highbury Eagle
08-09-2007, 11:45 AM
:lux: I was lucky enough to be at the match on Wednesday and saw Mascarenhas get his five 6's. Thought England were very unlucky to have lost that match. Hopefully today will make up for it.
RickyB
08-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Some excellent work here from England! 148-8 :lux:
Looking sharp.
Highbury Eagle
08-09-2007, 12:15 PM
:lux:
RickyB
08-09-2007, 12:55 PM
Dhoni gone, India 187 all out :)
19ac
Godstone Eagle
08-09-2007, 12:58 PM
Excellent effort from England... so far:p
Absolution
08-09-2007, 01:02 PM
Good performance, especially from Mascarenhas. Having him and Flintoff in the same side to bowl in the middle overs was vital.
Credit to Dhoni though. Put India into a better position than they could have been in.
maestro
08-09-2007, 01:17 PM
Great bowlong performance, having flintoff makes the world of difference.
Its not over yet though!
RickyB
08-09-2007, 01:29 PM
C'mon lads, let's get at 'em these first few overs! :lux:
RickyB
08-09-2007, 01:36 PM
Wright gone, skied one :bash:
maestro
08-09-2007, 01:37 PM
Here we go!
just need to calm down a bit!
RickyB
08-09-2007, 01:39 PM
and another gone, Prior, 10-2 :bash:
maestro
08-09-2007, 01:40 PM
11-2, thankyou openers once again, great job!
Im all for the aggressive attitube BUT you need to have 4 or 5 overs to get yoruself in, then attack from there.
RickyB
08-09-2007, 01:43 PM
S'ok, Belly's in now :)
Eddie McGoldrick's tash
08-09-2007, 01:50 PM
LOL:clown:
RickyB
08-09-2007, 01:51 PM
:D
RickyB
08-09-2007, 02:39 PM
Belly gone, stupid run-out
Highbury Eagle
08-09-2007, 03:27 PM
125-3 It's looking good
embryo eagle
08-09-2007, 04:42 PM
Very comfortable win in the end. Good to see Pietersen getting back to form. Apart from his running.
maestro
08-09-2007, 05:42 PM
KP and Collingwood played brilliantly after a shakey start, well played England, decent series win.
look forward to the world cup next week.
Steve in Phoenix
09-09-2007, 07:44 AM
Loved Bell's fake slide and throw fooling Yuvraj! That was a classic.
Dravid's a classy captain, very gracious.
Entertaining series, although I feel both sides only had half a bowling attack (judging by top class standards). Zaheer and Flintoff were the only consistant ones.
maestro
09-09-2007, 08:49 AM
I would definately say Anderson was consistant aswell, only when for ones in one match I think.
With Flintoff I think our bowling attack is quite good, if we had a top class spinner it would be very very good.
Without Flintoff we dont really look that dangerous, too many medium pacers.
Ruskin Old Boy
09-09-2007, 01:49 PM
Excellent article on Monty Panesar in yesterday's FT
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7d0a1ab6-5cf4-11dc-a16f-0000779fd2ac.html
Radders
10-09-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Adlerhorst
Whereas James Foster is a better batsman and a vastly better keeper. Why oh why oh why do we keep ignoring him.
Essex boy I may be but at last we have another Foster fan.:p His batting alone would not get him in the side but he has vastly improved and his keeping is excellent.
Steve in Phoenix
10-09-2007, 05:00 PM
Read averaging 58 in county cricket. Ambrose averaging 47.
What does Foster average and why is it so hard to find these stats?
Adlerhorst
10-09-2007, 06:55 PM
Prior averaging 22 for Sussex. Shhhshhh.
Foster is only averaging 35 this summer. 48 last year.
Steve in Phoenix
10-09-2007, 07:38 PM
In Prior's defense, how many innings? He's still featured in four century partnerships all at Test level.. only Read has more first class partnerships than that with six. It seems pretty clear Moores doesnt rate Read despite his improvements, but I am surprised he hasnt given Ambrose any callups.
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