Shefki Kuqi [Archive] - Page 3

Gathers54

11-08-2011, 08:49 AM

Such as?

You need me to answer that given there are threads on some good up and coming strikers who are looking to prove themselves at this level...rather than a has been?!

Amazes me that some people don't want Derry back but would welcome Kuqi....Please!

W Malling Eagle

11-08-2011, 08:50 AM

At times, Kuqi looked quality imo. Can definitely score goals at this level and can be a real handful for defenders. With Scannell up front could be an interesting partnership.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 08:52 AM

Amazes me that some people don't want Derry back but would welcome Kuqi....Please!

For what it's worth I wanted Derry back. :hi:

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 08:53 AM

I really hope that if we sign Kuqi on this short term deal we then don't just stick him on the bench behind Easter.

Beckenham Boy

11-08-2011, 08:53 AM

@AdvertiserSport Dan Jones
DF had previously ruled out a move for Kuqi as he already had target men in Iversen and Murray. But injuries have caused a rethink #cpfc

@AdvertiserSport Dan Jones
My understanding is that if it does happen it would just be brief deal to cover while those two return. Certainly to start with anyway #cpfc

PauLo

11-08-2011, 08:56 AM

Haha! This is why I love Palace. I have no problem with Kuqi as long as he works his socks off. More of a goal threat than Andrew and Easter too.

Pay as you play deal?

hoskingt

11-08-2011, 08:56 AM

Is Murray even a target man?

dannyboy1807

11-08-2011, 08:56 AM

for a short term deal he will do.

The Gerry Queen

11-08-2011, 08:57 AM

Offer him 6 months with a 6 month extension if it works out for both parties.... which it probably will. Our squad is so injury prone and our depth isn't where it needs to be yet. By January we could be in a postion to attract more long term options especially if we are not in the relegation mix.

JAS78

11-08-2011, 09:00 AM

people forget we all (most) quite liked him before he left, and he only left because we werent gonna pay him 13k a week so we let him go

not saying hes the greatest or anything, but hes strong, works very hard and has scored goals at this level

2 v qpr, the chip away at forest

hes a character, we could do worse

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 09:00 AM

Number 13 or number 30? ;) After that he's all the way down at 39.

sl6 Eagle

11-08-2011, 09:02 AM

Was awful with us before, but let's give him a chance his better than nothing, just. He will vital experience and will be able to hold the ball up to bring our attack minded midfielders into the game!!

BulletEagle

11-08-2011, 09:05 AM

Please, he wasn't that bad after he returned following the V.

If he has a short term contract, he will want to work his arse off to get another one after.

And he scored some cracking goals. Let's get behind him, and hopefully he can do a job. You can't say he wouldn't be scaring defenders.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 09:09 AM

I love it when Kuqi gets into full stride... It's like watching a runaway train... I bet defenders s**t themselves. Besides I want to see the Swan Dive again!

mushroom

11-08-2011, 09:09 AM

You can't have a team full of nippy little youngsters, you need the odd ugly bruiser.
light and shade.

stinky

11-08-2011, 09:09 AM

put himself about a lot late on in his Palace 'career'

I remember him having one or two absolutely storming games

LLCOOLSTEVE

11-08-2011, 09:18 AM

Swansea and Newcastle thought he was good enough..

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 09:18 AM

Hopefully the short term part of the deal is month to month.

But as I have previously said, he's fine to come in now while Murray and Iversen are injured - hopefully a sign that Andrew and Easter are on their way out.

The Gerry Queen

11-08-2011, 09:19 AM

I loved his chipped goal at Forest a couple of season's ago. If he feels like it he can really unsettle Championship defences and he knows a trick or two like his goal against Southampton when he mugged their kid centre half to score our first. That's exactly what we could do with now and if he had been at London Road last Saturday we really would have been able to defend from the top in the second half and had a much better chance of killing off the game.

Icy

11-08-2011, 09:23 AM

Kuqi monster. If he plays like he did the last few months of his time at the club he's welcome back.

pauldrulez

11-08-2011, 09:28 AM

Swansea and Newcastle thought he was good enough..
The same Newcastle that have given Pardew a 5 year contract.

And look what happened to Swansea once they got rid.

Give me Andrew, Pinney, Ibra, Sean or any of the Academy kids.

What's with all the "Great Academy, loads of players being developed and to make their way into the first team", and then we complete ignore them all to get a 35 year old journeyman who nobody else wants.

Southern Eagle

11-08-2011, 09:28 AM

we are looking so lightweight. give him another chance. he wont score many but he will force mistakes and provide assits for scannell etc. worth a 6 month punt in my opinion. if it fails we can have something to laugh at while we fail miserably throughout the season

Ron Dogers

11-08-2011, 09:28 AM

Swansea and Newcastle thought he was good enough..

Both had considerably stronger squads than our threadbare one and Newcastle considered him good enough for emergency cover in the Prem!

Frightens defenders, bullies defenders, shows passion we have not had since Vaughany!

JAS78

11-08-2011, 09:31 AM

the more i think about this the more i want him partnering Scannel on saturday

if kuqi is fit enough, could be a very decent front 2

could it happen by then ?

palaceeagles

11-08-2011, 09:32 AM

Both had considerably stronger squads than our threadbare one and Newcastle considered him good enough for emergency cover in the Prem!

Frightens defenders, bullies defenders, shows passion we have not had since Vaughany!

shows passion we have not had since Vaughany - what one game??

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 09:33 AM

Possibly the most depressing signing ever if true. If I see Kuqi and Easter up front on saturday I will cry

Jordan's Jacket

11-08-2011, 09:34 AM

Not that useless lump again. Surely we could try one of our highly regarded players.

Pub Idol

11-08-2011, 09:37 AM

Two target men injured. Kuqi short term replacement. Dougie has played with him and he also has had a chance to assess him as well. So dont see a problem.

pardew's shorts

11-08-2011, 09:37 AM

Are we going to go after short-term deals every time we lose a couple of players to short-term injuries?

Use our brilliant academy kids? Nah, let's bring in a journeyman, the wrong side of 30 (exactly the sort of player DF said he'd be avoiding).

stinky

11-08-2011, 09:38 AM

Possibly the most depressing signing ever if true. If I see Kuqi and Easter up front on saturday I will cry

why would Kuqi and Easter play on Saturday?

hdeagle

11-08-2011, 09:38 AM

Without Kuqi's goals Palace would have been relegated.
Some fans have very blinkered views on particular players and do not consider the larger picture or the fact that Palace are living within their means and our days of splashing cash that we do not have are over.

In the long term this strategy will guarantee the future of the club and we will be in a much stronger position as other clubs money runs out through over-spending and they find that they are in deep financial trouble and face the uncertain future that administration brings.

Administration showed how much our fans and our saviours CPFC 2010 love the club.
We must accept the business strategy adopted by CPFC 2010 as they have a proven track record when it comes to running a successful company and Palace fans must respect their decisions as they hold the purse-strings and the future of our club is in their hands.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 09:41 AM

Academy kids are fine, but you don't really want to be throwing them in 2 games into a new season. As I've said on other threads, the quicker we pick up points the better.

I don't know a lot about Sekajja to be honest but people seem to want to put a lot of faith in a kid who has played about 4 minutes of one game and scored a tap in he couldn't really miss. :eek:

monkey nuts

11-08-2011, 09:42 AM

Not that useless lump again. Surely we could try one of our highly regarded players.

Exactly. Fed up of loans and journeymen.
I think Dougie needs to just make a decision, we are not going to go nuts if he trys playing the youth. What's the point in having them, Pinney is old enough. Rooney and Owen were very young and thrown into the deep end in the Premier. Not putting presure on them to be as good but you will never know how they turn out unless you try. Games = experience!

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 09:42 AM

The same Newcastle that have given Pardew a 5 year contract.

And look what happened to Swansea once they got rid.

Give me Andrew, Pinney, Ibra, Sean or any of the Academy kids.

What's with all the "Great Academy, loads of players being developed and to make their way into the first team", and then we complete ignore them all to get a 35 year old journeyman who nobody else wants.
We don't have anyone who can be a target man anywhere in the academy or among the kids. It's not like he is being chosen ahead of them, his job in the team is different.

And Kuqi is ten times the player Andrew is.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 09:43 AM

JAS78

11-08-2011, 09:45 AM

2105

And Kuqi is ten times the player Andrew is.

add Easter to that aswell

pardew's shorts

11-08-2011, 09:46 AM

Why do we have to have a target man? We have two at the club.

Fine, they will miss a couple of games, but it wouldn't do us any harm to play Sean and Wilf together in our next two, very winnable, home games. It would also encourage far less long ball stuff, and better distribution from the back (when does Jules play it short or throw it out to a full-back? Virtually never).

What with this and four defensive loan signings, has DF lost his bottle in the transfer market somewhat?

pardew's shorts

11-08-2011, 09:47 AM

Which of our youngsters could do the target man job?

If we have to have a target man - Pinney. He is very reminiscent of Ebanks-Blake in his strength and build.

Danny boy

11-08-2011, 09:47 AM

I don't know a lot about Sekajja to be honest but people seem to want to put a lot of faith in a kid who has played about 4 minutes of one game and scored a tap in he couldn't really miss. :eek:
Glad I'm not the only one thinking that

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 09:49 AM

If we have to have a target man - Pinney. He is very reminiscent of Ebanks-Blake in his strength and build.

OK so his build is a bit like a stocky player - that doesn't make him a target man.

This is a short term deal to cover the two injuries. I do not see the problem with it at all.

palaceeagles

11-08-2011, 09:51 AM

add Easter to that aswell

How can you say that? Has Easter been given a fair chance?

pardew's shorts

11-08-2011, 09:51 AM

OK so his build is a bit like a stocky player - that doesn't make him a target man.

This is a short term deal to cover the two injuries. I do not see the problem with it at all.

Well, he's excellent at holding the ball up. What else do you want a target man to do? Win header after header? If so, that rather defines the style of play doesn't it?

Didn't do too badly with Clinton, Moses and Sinclair did we? I wouldn't call Clinton a target man...

pauldrulez

11-08-2011, 09:53 AM

We don't have anyone who can be a target man anywhere in the academy or among the kids. It's not like he is being chosen ahead of them, his job in the team is different.

And Kuqi is ten times the player Andrew is.
Simple.

Get Williams and Pinney in the team.

Get the ******* ball on the floor.

Did Reading have a targetman last year? Or Swansea?

The Gerry Queen

11-08-2011, 09:53 AM

I want the best for and from our Adacamy kids and several of them are not far off playing as often as Zaha and Scannell. However it would be potentially career damaging to pitch Sekajja and Pinney in now and expect them to turn experienced Championship defenders inside out on a weekly basis. They ( the kids) will get injured or lose their confidence and get a set back they may not recover from. I'm sure that's what Gary Issott would be saying behind the scenes if Dougie did think over pitching them in wholesale. There is room for them on the bench and in certain starting roles where they will shine under the protection of the older heads around them including Kuqi.

Voldo

11-08-2011, 09:53 AM

I'd imagine the Academy boys will get their chance, but it is a high risk strategy to throw them in now.

No matter what people say about this being a clean slate, if we lose the next 2 or 3 the doom mongers will be well and truly out and saying the kids aren't good enough yap yap yap.

Just because they are highly thought of, and having confidence instilled in them, does not mean they are ready to take on the burden for getting our much needed goals. They have to be bedded in.

Kuqi will be a short term option, someone who knows the club already, has been building his fitness with us and will grab a goal or two - or at the very least completely screw up his first touch, but nicely lay in Scannell to pick his spot.

Why does everything need such huge debate, let the management get on with it and we assess after 10-15 games.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 09:53 AM

Well, he's excellent at holding the ball up. What else do you want a target man to do? Win header after header? If so, that rather defines the style of play doesn't it?

Didn't do too badly with Clinton, Moses and Sinclair did we? I wouldn't call Clinton a target man...

I agree with your clinton point, and yes the main point would be hold up play. However, Dougie sees Pinney in training every day - you honestly think if he thought he could do the job, he would be going down this road?

We cannot afford to go down the Southampton route of looking at kids to fill all the gaps - it doesn't work. You need some experience, you need some battle hardened players to show the kids the ropes.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 09:54 AM

Did Reading have a targetman last year? Or Swansea?

No but this is the tactic that Dougie wants to play and as such he needs a Target man for it to "work"... So he's not going to play someone he doesn't see suitable there if he has another option.

Scroatey

11-08-2011, 09:55 AM

I'm getting really ******* bored of the whingers on here!

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 09:55 AM

Simple.

Get Williams and Pinney in the team.

Get the ******* ball on the floor.

Did Reading have a targetman last year? Or Swansea?

They both had players capable of holding the ball up, yes. That's why their wide players could do so much damage.

With Murray and Iversen injured, we do not. And unless we have one in the starting XI, we cannot expect to see the best of Scannell, Zaha, Ambrose etc.

TheMexicanHorse

11-08-2011, 09:58 AM

pardew's shorts

11-08-2011, 09:59 AM

If we must have an experienced (ish) target man, play bloody Andrew then.

No, he's not a world beater - but his effort is excellent and he's very good in the air. Flank him with Sean and Wilf and it could be very effective.

Again, it's not advocating playing XI kids, but DF seems really reticent to use them, despite their previous performances and his own previous comments.

This team could absolutely beat Burnley and Coventry:

Speroni

Wright--McCarthy--Davies--Parr

Williams--Jedinak--KG

Ambrose

Scannell--Zaha

pardew's shorts

11-08-2011, 10:00 AM

People talking about a target man also seem to have forgotten Scannell - his strength and hold-up play is much improved, and he's actually not bad in the air for a relatively small guy.

Harry Holmesdale

11-08-2011, 10:04 AM

This is a joke no?

Why cant we have a Plan B if targetmen are injured?

Gazpacho

11-08-2011, 10:04 AM

The worrying thing is, we was told all summer, "We would be conducting transfers probably and there would be no panic buys"..

Instead we had the embarrassing situation of playing with half a back line who were brought in at the last minute and never played together...whilst we had 3 months to bring in a permanent centre half. Ditto with the stiker, I said all summer we need to bring in a goalscoring striker, so we end up with Kuqi.

The decision not to sell Clyne and reinvest in the squad seems more and more mad with every passing day.

Yes, it's frustrating but the view now is we can't eat in a 5 star restaurant if we only have £2.50 in our pocket. Besides, all the pies have gone.

Stavros 69

11-08-2011, 10:06 AM

We still need another striker even if he comes in.

Celestial Empire

11-08-2011, 10:09 AM

The worrying thing is, we was told all summer, "We would be conducting transfers probably and there would be no panic buys"..

Instead we had the embarrassing situation of playing with half a back line who were brought in at the last minute and never played together...whilst we had 3 months to bring in a permanent centre half. Ditto with the stiker, I said all summer we need to bring in a goalscoring striker, so we end up with Kuqi.

Yes, it looks as though Doug is struggling. It's one thing to make braveheart speeches and square your shoulders and tell CPFC2010 that you can live within the budget, but quite another to maximise the potential of the squad, cover the bases and deal with (the usual) injury crisis.
When in a situation like this, the other staff can't do much, everything comes down on the manager and his decisions.

ChristalPalace

11-08-2011, 10:11 AM

This signing (if true) is so bleak it's untrue. I almost feel resigned to relegation already if we're pinning our hopes on Kuqi. ;)

Crouchey21

11-08-2011, 10:12 AM

This signing (if true) is so bleak it's untrue. I almost feel resigned to relegation already if we're pinning our hopes on Kuqi. ;)

:S: :lux: :lux:

H.Bomb

11-08-2011, 10:16 AM

I am a season ticket holder in the Holmesdale stand.

I have just read on the Croydon Advertiser website that Dougie is thinking about re-signing Sheki Kuqi as the striker is currently training with the squad.

I want to know how other Palace fans feel...

I for one think that he is not the answer. We paid £2.5 million for this fat striker who was useless. I also remember (as many others will) when he did that shameful gesture to our fans who work long hours during the week and pay alot of money to watch our team. I really fear that we are heading backwards already after one game...

loz

11-08-2011, 10:18 AM

May well have been said...but wasnt Kuqi our second highest scorer that season even though he missed most of it?? I for one quite liked him. He done what it said on the tin...a bit like Davis last year.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 10:18 AM

I think I've covered most of my feelings on the thread in the Transfer section.

He can do a job, it's only short term, and who knows he might help us out. People are being far too over the top negative about the whole thing already.

Also as I said people seem to want to pin our hopes on untried youngsters after just one game of the season. That in itself would seem a whole lot more desperate than resigning Kuqi IMO.

Nelson Muntz

11-08-2011, 10:18 AM

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15400

The Gerry Queen

11-08-2011, 10:19 AM

stinky

11-08-2011, 10:21 AM

yeah, it's worth another thread isn't it..

PauLo

11-08-2011, 10:22 AM

Did he celebrate his goals he scored against us for Swansea and Derby? I seem to remember someone saying he didn't, but I may be waaaaaay off.

Stavros 69

11-08-2011, 10:22 AM

The worrying thing is, we was told all summer, "We would be conducting transfers probably and there would be no panic buys"..

Instead we had the embarrassing situation of playing with half a back line who were brought in at the last minute and never played together...whilst we had 3 months to bring in a permanent centre half. Ditto with the stiker, I said all summer we need to bring in a goalscoring striker, so we end up with Kuqi.

The decision not to sell Clyne and reinvest in the squad seems more and more mad with every passing day.
I couldnt agree more, pre season has been a total mess.
Panic buys and unfit players except for Murray who looks good (i hope he's not injury prone).

Nelson Muntz

11-08-2011, 10:22 AM

yeah, it's worth another thread isn't it..
He'll be telling us theres been riots next !!!!

Nelson Muntz

11-08-2011, 10:23 AM

Did he celebrate his goals he scored against us for Swansea and Derby? I seem to remember someone saying he didn't, but I may be waaaaaay off.
He didn't at the game at Selhurst. Swansea wasn't it?

stinky

11-08-2011, 10:23 AM

He'll be telling us theres been riots next !!!!

It's nice he told us where he sits though.

ChristalPalace

11-08-2011, 10:25 AM

He didn't at the game at Selhurst. Swansea wasn't it?

Yes it was. I remember it because of the Swansea physio. :D

Nelson Muntz

11-08-2011, 10:25 AM

Yes it was. I remember it because of the Swansea physio. :D
'Thats why you shag sheep' :p

loz

11-08-2011, 10:28 AM

He got 10 goals and was our highest scorer that year.

Oh well, he must of been crap then!!

Is it me, or our some of our fans Knob heads ( in the nicest possable way of course) Dont shout at me I love all Palace fans.:love:

JLY_CPFC

11-08-2011, 10:32 AM

I am happy if he does come back, but i cant see it happening

cpfc4evandeva

11-08-2011, 10:34 AM

Instead we had the embarrassing situation of playing with half a back line who were brought in at the last minute and never played together...whilst we had 3 months to bring in a permanent centre half.
Add to the fact that we sold Barrett, released Davis and failed to sign Gardner.

Admittedly Barrett was poor but the decision not to sign Davis really does seem bizarre. I know he had his problems but he's a more than capable Championship centre half and he wanted to stay!

We could still go in for him now though...

andy123

11-08-2011, 10:35 AM

maybe merge thread????? imo opinion though i was never a fan of him but if he comes in on peanuts and is just here to fill in for a couple of games I don't really mind. Needs must n all that. Obviously I would love us just to play the kids up front but looks like our tactics need a target man. Kuqi is certainly one of those.

cpfc4evandeva

11-08-2011, 10:35 AM

He didn't at the game at Selhurst. Swansea wasn't it?
Pretty sure he didn't at Derby either.

JAS78

11-08-2011, 10:35 AM

We paid £2.5 million

no we didnt

Dedders

11-08-2011, 10:37 AM

I really can't see any negatives here as a short term solution to Iversen and Murray being out
We need to play a taget man to get the best out of Scannell and to retain possession upfront. People saying Scannell and Zaha would work are picking a side on paper and not considering the huge physical demands of the championship.
Calvin Andrew isn't a good enough target man at this level
The youngsters are unproven, as yet, as target men.

Having Kuqi to come in as a third choice target man is a good piece of work from Dougie

rhynoeagle

11-08-2011, 10:39 AM

In all honesty, I would be happy if he comes back, only for the cover of Iversen and Murray.

Kuqi is certainly better upfront with Scannell then anyone else in our team (Minus Murray and Iversen) with Scannell.

WorthingEagle

11-08-2011, 10:43 AM

no we didnt

Indeed, add in his wages and it was a lot more than that. :veryangry

JLY_CPFC

11-08-2011, 10:44 AM

What shameful gesture to fans?

BulletEagle

11-08-2011, 10:44 AM

Kuqi and Scannell could be a very very good partnership

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 10:46 AM

What shameful gesture to fans?

Oh no let's never forgive the guy! :rolleyes: Grow up!

I'm sure SK probably regrets what he did but let's move on and see what happens.

stinky

11-08-2011, 10:46 AM

I honestly think he was asking what the gesture was mate

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 10:48 AM

I honestly think he was asking what the gesture was mate

My bad I thought he said what a shameful gesture to fans! :o

Sorry!

JAS78

11-08-2011, 10:53 AM

Indeed, add in his wages and it was a lot more than that. :veryangry

1M was the deal

1.5M was add ons which were not reached

but never let the facts get in the way of a good lynching

anyway the deal was one persons thought, Simon Jordan, but he already had form for a great deal with Akinbadbuy

mastermind

Ard

11-08-2011, 10:56 AM

I am not pleased with it at all, however he is being bought in as cover - Freedman has an idea of what direction he wants the club to go in and he lives and dies by his sword. We just have to support his decisions and carry on looking forward to the games.

For what its worth, I think so long as we have Scannell up front for us then we pose a goal threat.

JLY_CPFC

11-08-2011, 10:59 AM

what gesture?

Spender

11-08-2011, 11:03 AM

I always thought that with the right supply from out wide, Kuqi was a threat and a dangerous & active presence in the box. Two questions:

Do we have anyone out wide to supply the crosses that Kuqi would feed on from the dead ball line ?

Is he still at physical threat and presence if he has reached the age of 35 ?

Spender

11-08-2011, 11:09 AM

His gesture to the crowd was born our of frustration with a lack of first team games and was in response to continual barracking from the fans. This followed bad luck with injuries which had prevented him reaching full fitness and his best form to justify a huge price tag.

A mistake in the heat of the moment that I am sure Kuqi regrets. We all make mistakes !

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:09 AM

what gesture?

Stuck his fingers up at the supporters when they were booing him I think.

jobiinthelastmi

11-08-2011, 11:10 AM

People don't want Clinton back but they are actually considering Kuqi :D :hi:

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:11 AM

Do we have anyone out wide to supply the crosses that Kuqi would feed on from the dead ball line ?

Ambrose from set pieces... And I know he needs to prove himself BUT Cadogan puts in a mean cross. He needs to start pushing for the first team. He's easily good enough ability wise. He just needs to start showing it. Him and Zaha against Leicester at Home last year ABSOLUTELY ripped their back line to pieces.

ANDYEAGLE

11-08-2011, 11:14 AM

Indeed, add in his wages and it was a lot more than that. :veryangry

Well you can only be angry with whoever paid it. As for his gesture. Just a little bit of dissent as he was coming off as he was getting verbal from some fans.
No problem him coming in a short term deal as long as he is fit.We really need experience up front. I thought Dougie said he was only training with the youngsters though as a favour to him?

rhynoeagle

11-08-2011, 11:14 AM

If he is to come back we need to make sure we back him fully, he's a confidence player and if he is to join is one of us.

Not saying he'll be a world beater because he obviously isn't but hes a decent back-up.

cp eagles

11-08-2011, 11:16 AM

Derry did the shame thing back in his 1st spell at the club after the fans gave him stick.

Nelson Muntz

11-08-2011, 11:20 AM

People don't want Clinton back but they are actually considering Kuqi :D :hi:
Why would you want Clinton back? He hardly set League One alight last season.

mcmean

11-08-2011, 11:22 AM

Derry did the shame thing back in his 1st spell at the club after the fans gave him stick.

and told a fan in the main stand to 'f off' during the admin period

andyocpfc

11-08-2011, 11:23 AM

I take it he would be a free transfer now with no sign on fee.

'If' we were to give him a contract, what would you offer and for how long a period?

JDawg

11-08-2011, 11:25 AM

Is this serious?

Let's get Matt Lawrence back too to sort out our CB issues.

It's time to move forward.

jobiinthelastmi

11-08-2011, 11:26 AM

Why would you want Clinton back? He hardly set League One alight last season.

I'm not saying I do. But what did Kuqi do last season exactly? Appear about 4 times for Newcastle?

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 11:26 AM

why would Kuqi and Easter play on Saturday?

Well DF took Scannell off on Saturday, so what's the likelihood of us being one down after an hour and him doing the same thing?

What is this obsession of having to play a "target man". I don't mind us having that option on the bench (Andrew) but Pinney scored a lovely goal against Norwich and I'd like to see him up front with Scannell rather than bring in a journeyman seeing out his last days. Altenratively play five in midfield with Ambrose and Zaha supporting Scannell in free roles.

This is the sort of thing Mullery did with the likes of Ally Brown and Andy McCulloch and it ended in abject failure.

Archiebald Leitch

11-08-2011, 11:28 AM

If he plays for us I will support him, but it will be another big question mark over what the hell is going on.

Another thought, we will win Saturday and all will be well in the football world.

Dan A

11-08-2011, 11:30 AM

Well DF took Scannell off on Saturday, so what's the likelihood of us being one down after an hour and him doing the same thing?

What is this obsession of having to play a "target man". I don't mind us having that option on the bench (Andrew) but Pinney scored a lovely goal against Norwich and I'd like to see him up front with Scannell rather than bring in a journeyman seeing out his last days. Altenratively play five in midfield with Ambrose and Zaha supporting Scannell in free roles.

This is the sort of thing Mullery did with the likes of Ally Brown and Andy McCulloch and it ended in abject failure.

Because when we continue to hoof it having a target man works, e.g Saturday when we scored from having Murray flicking it on with his head.

JDawg

11-08-2011, 11:30 AM

If we are going to even contemplate this, pay a small fee to Huddersfield and get Alan Lee back instead.

He's younger, better and more enthusiastic

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:33 AM

Wayne-o

11-08-2011, 11:34 AM

If we are going to even contemplate this, pay a small fee to Huddersfield and get Alan Lee back instead.

He's younger, better and more enthusiastic

....yes please!!!!

JDawg

11-08-2011, 11:36 AM

I would prefer to get somebody younger in on a long term contract. Both suggestions are idiotic and evidence amongt other things that the world has gone mad.

Kuqi is old and crap.

Dom the Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:36 AM

and told a fan in the main stand to 'f off' during the admin period

Said the same to some twat in the Whitehorse. Derry was a top bloke

jobiinthelastmi

11-08-2011, 11:36 AM

So people moan about us paying Kuqi wages and yet they now want us to pay a fee for Lee...

Say Kuqi signs for 3 months on £7k a week that's £84k for his short term deal... Huddersfield would want at LEAST £100k for Lee plus then his wages of probably £7k a week.

Some people don't get how finance works I swear.

Or instead of signing the flop again we could use the money to buy a younger player from the lower leagues and improve him.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:37 AM

Even if Kuqi signed for 3 months on £13k a week he'd cost us £156k over that period...

Lee signed for £100k over that period would still cost £184k. :rolleyes:

mushroom

11-08-2011, 11:37 AM

This is not a bad move. Asking Scannell, Wilf, Ibra and Pinney to battle a 6foot plus centre back is madness, it will ruin their development. We need someone like Kuqi, to allow the aforementioned to play their natural game.

BulletEagle

11-08-2011, 11:38 AM

Even if Kuqi signed for 3 months on £13k a week he'd cost us £156k over that period...

Lee signed for £100k over that period would still cost £184k. :rolleyes:
Yes, but it's Alan Lee, so that's OK.

Wayne-o

11-08-2011, 11:38 AM

So people moan about us paying Kuqi wages and yet they now want us to pay a fee for Lee...

Say Kuqi signs for 3 months on £7k a week that's £84k for his short term deal... Huddersfield would want at LEAST £100k for Lee plus then his wages of probably £7k a week.

Some people don't get how finance works I swear.

In all seriousness, this is a very good point you make and I personally dont think the financial side of any speculative Lee deal, stacks up (as much as I dream of a team of Alan Lee's!), but....

We'd probably get a lot more out of Lee, and for longer ...

:)

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:38 AM

Our best striker partnerships down the years... Wright and Bright, AJ and Shipps etc usually revolve around a target man and a pacey partner.

Scannell needs someone like Bright / Shipps to partner him not someone similar like Zaha, Pinney etc.

Nor-Ken

11-08-2011, 11:38 AM

Of all the free transfer strikers in europe and probably all over the world thers has to be someone more better suited then Kuqi? I`ll rather take Neil Shipperly. Theres your 150kg targetman from me to you.

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:39 AM

I can't be arsed to read this whole thread, are we seriously thinking of signing this cart horse again...?

JDawg

11-08-2011, 11:40 AM

Even if Kuqi signed for 3 months on £13k a week he'd cost us £156k over that period...

Lee signed for £100k over that period would still cost £184k. :rolleyes:

I'd happily take lee over Kuqi for £28,000

You would also have to take into account any fee for the sale of Calvin Andrew as if any of this is true he clearly doesn't fit in DFs plans.

jobiinthelastmi

11-08-2011, 11:40 AM

Seaside Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:41 AM

2010... What the **** is going on?

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 11:43 AM

Because when we continue to hoof it having a target man works, e.g Saturday when we scored from having Murray flicking it on with his head.

Great so one goal justifies a flawed strategy?? The best (and most prolific) football I have seen us play in recent years was when we had Morrison, Moses and Sinclair up front - not a target man amongst them.

We need to get the best out of Ambrose and whilst we persist with a big lump up front (and I don't believe Murray is one by the way) that is never going to happen. Look back to Hillsborough and how Ambrose and Scannell linked up so well

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:44 AM

What part of Kuqi is shit don't you understand?

The part where he scares the s**t out of the oppostion, the part where he can hold the ball up, the part where he can flick the ball on, the part where he scores goals, or the part where he can play a bit.

Pick one because all are true. He's decent enough for a "bottom half" Championship team like us. We're nowhere near this top half, play off making team people seem to make us out to be. At least not yet anyway.

Jubrique Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:45 AM

If he signs and if he plays then he is a Palace player lets get behind him and the team ...... Christ knows what all the bloody moaning on the BBS is doing to player’s morale we know several read this.
Everyone on here screaming for the young players to be thrown in at the deep end ....remember we love them so much that the first signs of mistakes or lack of form they get crucified at Selhurst. Just remember the stick the crowd have given many young players in the past .... Ben Watson anyone? .... last game I attended last season I seem to remember Zaha getting the customary groans if he made a mistake ..calls for him not to be picked etc. Even Vic Moses used to get moaned at when he was off form pitching them in at the wrong moment could ruin their (and our) future. Using Owen and Rooney as benchmarks is not fair either both are or were world class players.
Bottom line DF has decided we need a target up front as an option both the current ones are injured it’s a no brainer.
I used to think I was critical of players in the past ..... but reading the BBS nowadays ... its just abuse abuse ..........abuse..........

ANDYEAGLE

11-08-2011, 11:45 AM

I'm not saying I do. But what did Kuqi do last season exactly? Appear about 4 times for Newcastle?

Well at least a Premier side thought him good enough to give him 4 games.
They just had him as cover. He certainly cannot command a high wage now.
No more than4-5k I would say.

Whats the problem?

jobiinthelastmi

11-08-2011, 11:48 AM

Well at least a Premier side thought him good enough to give him 4 games.
They just had him as cover. He certainly cannot command a high wage now.
No more than4-5k I would say.

Whats the problem?

We're meant to be signing players we can improve. Who are not 34?

I just think going back to a player who wasn't a huge success the first time he was here is a mistake.

When Murray and Scannell are fully fit he'll be stuck on the bench probably moping around like he did last time

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:49 AM

If we re-sign him the club will not see another penny of my money, what a fvcking disgrace, as if last week's performance wasn't bad enough, this is adding insult to injury and taking the piss out of the fans and proving yet again that Freedman has not got a clue what he's doing.

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 11:50 AM

The part where he scares the s**t out of the oppostion, the part where he can hold the ball up, the part where he can flick the ball on, the part where he scores goals, or the part where he can play a bit.

Pick one because all are true. He's decent enough for a "bottom half" Championship team like us. We're nowhere near this top half, play off making team people seem to make us out to be. At least not yet anyway.

You have a very short memory if you think he can play a bit - maybe seven or eight years ago but not now.

A one in ten strike rate since leaving us - if I was a Burnley centre half I'd love him to be starting against me on Saturday rather than a hungry and speedy srtiker running at me.

mushroom

11-08-2011, 11:51 AM

You have a very short memory if you think he can play a bit - maybe seven or eight years ago but not now.

A one in ten strike rate since leaving us - if I was a Burnley centre half I'd love him to be starting against me on Saturday rather than a hungry and speedy srtiker running at me.
Are you serious?

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:52 AM

Are you serious?

Serious or not, he's 100% right.

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 11:53 AM

Well at least a Premier side thought him good enough to give him 4 games.
They just had him as cover. He certainly cannot command a high wage now.
No more than4-5k I would say.

Whats the problem?

Newcastle signed him because the window was shut and he was about the only player out of contract they could feasibly get to cover for Carroll's departure. It is still £4-5k too much and what message does it send out to our younger (hungrier) reserves on less than a fifth of that sum?

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 11:54 AM

Are you serious?

YES

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:55 AM

Newcastle signed him because the window was shut and he was about the only player out of contract they could feasibly get to cover for Carroll's departure. It is still £4-5k too much and what message does it send out to our younger (hungrier) reserves on less than a fifth of that sum?

And what message does it send out to the fans who spend their hard earned cash to watch a load of shit as it is, normally new signings put a few on the gate, re-signing this donkey will keep people away.

ANDYEAGLE

11-08-2011, 11:56 AM

We're meant to be signing players we can improve. Who are not 34?

I just think going back to a player who wasn't a huge success the first time he was here is a mistake.

When Murray and Scannell are fully fit he'll be stuck on the bench probably moping around like he did last time

In a ideal world we would not be going back for him I agree. But we are really in need of temp cover and experience at the moment.
Who said we were signing him anyway? Or is it spec again.

Seaside Eagle

11-08-2011, 11:59 AM

It'd be mildy amusing if he accepted another contract offer and scored 20 for another team :D

JackTheBiscuit

11-08-2011, 12:01 PM

It'd be mildy amusing if he accepted another contract offer and scored 20 for another team :D

I think we can rule that one out

fanny farm

11-08-2011, 12:02 PM

Hope there is no truth in this, would be a backward step & goes against everything CPFC2010 said. Ageing journeyman who to be blunt is not very good. If true would rather us spend the wages that we would have to pay him towards buying Danny Ings from Bournemouth or towards increasing our offer for the norweigan centre back we are apparently interested in. We need to take a gamble on at least 1 of these players plus fits into the plan laid out by CPFC2010. Looks like we are going for the cheap option & not prepared to gamble on highly rated youngsters if true.

SpikeyMatt

11-08-2011, 12:02 PM

Wouldn't have said it'd be the worst solution for the club. Can see why people would be opposed, though.

On his day he was bloody good, though they were few and far between.

Woosie

11-08-2011, 12:04 PM

Got no issues with this at all, as Nelson Muntz said, he works hard, can flick balls on and is generally a decent target man. 100 times better than Calvin Andrew, who some people want to see play.

cpfc4ever

11-08-2011, 12:05 PM

If he signs I give up!

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 12:06 PM

Think there is one minor small detail people are missing when letting their emotions get the better of them

IT'S JUST A SHORT TERM DEAL WHILE MURRAY AND INVERSEN ARE INJURED

stinky

11-08-2011, 12:06 PM

I wouldn't be averse to it. However, I don't want it to happen, and this is why..

Right now the crowd need galvanising. They need to be excited and they need to be happy. Despite the fact that some people (like me) wouldn't mind him back, there are a lot of people (like most on here) who would be very disgruntled at this, there would be a lot of moaning in the stands, and he would almost certainly get a lot of stick.

The fans and the team don't need this atmosphere right now so, Dougie, I'm sorry, but I'm out.

st albans

11-08-2011, 12:08 PM

And what message does it send out to the fans who spend their hard earned cash to watch a load of shit as it is, normally new signings put a few on the gate, re-signing this donkey will keep people away.

well, if it's between him and no-one, i'd take him

at the moment we aren't linked with any other strikers

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:09 PM

Think there is one minor small detail people are missing when letting their emotions get the better of them

IT'S JUST A SHORT TERM DEAL WHILE MURRAY AND INVERSEN ARE INJURED

So loan someone in like Df did last week, its not hard, or what have we got to lose by playing some of the youngsters, after last week's performance they couldn't do any worse.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 12:09 PM

Loans cost a fee and wages. Kuqi will just be wages.

Which target man type player is available for loan, BTW?

Woosie

11-08-2011, 12:10 PM

We also don't have a proper target man in our academy either. Pinney is the closest we have, and he isn't exactly tall.

Clapham Grand

11-08-2011, 12:11 PM

stinky

11-08-2011, 12:12 PM

so we shouldn't sign players cos they might upset some already upset fans?

well no. That would be stupid. It's just how my simple brain works, innit.

Soz

The Gerry Queen

11-08-2011, 12:12 PM

Goodness me there are some huge over reactions here. Get behind Dougie and CPFC2010 and all the team. If Kuqi comes it is a short term cover thing it is not the end of civilisation as we know it. We are a work in progress and Kuqi is going to be a bit part that keeps us ticking over as we rebuild. Give Dougie a break and let him get on with a difficult enough job !

Richwak

11-08-2011, 12:13 PM

wouldnt be that bad a signing, saw him at the norwich game in players lounge and looked very trim, could do a job for a struggling championship team

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:14 PM

Loans cost a fee and wages. Kuqi will just be wages.

Which target man type player is available for loan, BTW?

Freedmans had 3 months to get the squad sorted and we're still way short of a completed squad, how the fvck can people still say he is the right man for the job, he aint got a clue what he's doing...

crack on with the neg reps all you who wear the rose tinted glasses....

palaceeagles

11-08-2011, 12:14 PM

Loans cost a fee and wages. Kuqi will just be wages.

Which target man type player is available for loan, BTW?

Why are you obsessed with a 'target man'?

11-08-2011, 12:14 PM

Hasn't Kuqi been training with Palace? If so, DF can see what shape Kuqi is in and whether he can offer Palace something. I also doubt Palace will pay him 13k a week, even short term. Kuqi is without a club and without pay and Palace are not stupid.
For the record, I believe Kuqi was the last Palace forward to score 10 or more goals in a season. As for Alan Lee 0(ZERO) goals in 28 appearances in League 1 says more than enough!

Spender

11-08-2011, 12:15 PM

thehalifaxman

11-08-2011, 12:17 PM

Welcome home. Games were so much more fun to watch with the Kooch running into people.

Can't wait for Saturday now.

Woosie

11-08-2011, 12:17 PM

Freedmans had 3 months to get the squad sorted and we're still way short of a completed squad, how the fvck can people still say he is the right man for the job, he aint got a clue what he's doing...
crack on with the neg reps all you who wear the rose tinted glasses....

Give over. How do you know he doesn't have a clue what he is doing? Look at the players he has brought in who aren't loanees. Furthermore, I suspect he had to get loanees in, because he didn't want to risk the club's future again by spending over the odds for a centre back.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 12:17 PM

Freedmans had 3 months to get the squad sorted and we're still way short of a completed squad, how the fvck can people still say he is the right man for the job, he aint got a clue what he's doing...

crack on with the neg reps all you who wear the rose tinted glasses....

And you know what, in those three months he signed Murray, thinking we'd have him and Iversen (at least 1) available each week. right now we don't - we need an experienced short term solution.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 12:18 PM

Why are you obsessed with a 'target man'?

I am not. But Dougie clearly wants one and so there is no point debating whether or not we need one when he wants one.

Spender

11-08-2011, 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=SE25Eagle]Freedmans had 3 months to get the squad sorted and we're still way short of a completed squad, how the fvck can people still say he is the right man for the job, he aint got a clue what he's doing...

Far too early to judge Dougie reign. On results so far he has been amazingly successful in keeping us in the Division.:)

Kidofwonder

11-08-2011, 12:19 PM

Shefki running at goalkeepers was always fun to watch,would rather get Alan Lee back on Loan who isn't playing at Hud but Kuqi could do a job

Dom the Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:19 PM

Welcome home. Games were so much more fun to watch with the Kooch running into people.

Can't wait for Saturday now.

Agree. Looking forward to seeing him in the red and blue again.

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:19 PM

Give over. How do you know he doesn't have a clue what he is doing? Look at the players he has brought in who aren't loanees. Furthermore, I suspect he had to get loanees in, because he didn't want to risk the club's future again by spending over the odds for a centre back.

Because i've watched us play plenty of times since he's been in charge...?

Clapham Grand

11-08-2011, 12:21 PM

well no. That would be stupid. It's just how my simple brain works, innit.

Soz

You're forgiven :p

don't give in to the looters!

Wayne-o

11-08-2011, 12:31 PM

Because i've watched us play plenty of times since he's been in charge...?

...including ONCE this season.

:rolleyes:

Sp1Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:34 PM

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smudgerseagles

11-08-2011, 12:36 PM

Welcome home. Games were so much more fun to watch with the Kooch running into people.

Can't wait for Saturday now.

Agree he had a great comedy value - very similar to a milk float in a Palace shirt i would imagine

Jeepers i hope the games off and we get more time to get proper players back

Garfy

11-08-2011, 12:40 PM

The reference was to a short term contract. He has no other offers so where's the talk of £7k coming from. More likely to be a lower retainer and a fee per game / goal.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:40 PM

Watching his goals from 2008/09 he seems quite adept at the cheeky little flick over the keeper.

JamTheEagle

11-08-2011, 12:41 PM

Would have him back purely to stop him joining some other championship team and inevitably scoring against us.

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 12:41 PM

The reference was to a short term contract. He has no other offers so where's the talk of £7k coming from. More likely to be a lower retainer and a fee per game / goal.

I was using it at a rough estimate. I also used £13k as another estimate to highlight the nonsense about signing Alan Lee back as that was what we offered him when he rejected and left.

Spender

11-08-2011, 12:46 PM

Great clips SP1 EAGLE !

Kuqi will still present much more of a threat than we have seen from Easter since he arrived.

Boyandy

11-08-2011, 12:57 PM

I regret to say that our last minute rush to bring in short term loan signings in both defence and attack smacks of desperation rather than an orderly start to the season.

The likely outcome is another struggle at the bottom of the table up to Xmas rather than the mid table steadiness that I was hoping for this season.

The only area where there has really been any desperation is at centre back though.

I doubt we'd be looking at Kuqi had Murray not been injured on Saturday.

I douby we'd have got Ramage in had Clyne not injured himself a couple of weeks ago.

We knew that Moxey would be suspended so he's brought McGivern in on a temporary loan. Hills is still injured and perhaps he hasn't been that impressed by Parsons. Parr would be the obvious player to play there, but he may have been brought in to midfield on Saturday because we were light there with an unfit KG and Jedinak.

Davies has been with us for a while. Tunchev (if he can stay fit) appears to have a good reputation. It's not ideal that we don't have someone in permanently but I'd expect him to try and get one of these two in till the end of the year at some point. Hovland sounds promising, but we may have to wait for him if the interest is genuine.

Hopefully he'll be worth the wait.

Rob Harmer

11-08-2011, 12:58 PM

That miss against Swansea and they still signed him!!! :eek:

rhynoeagle

11-08-2011, 01:03 PM

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Scored some quality goals for us there.

stinky

11-08-2011, 01:07 PM

people forget just how good some of his goals were for us

Seaside Eagle

11-08-2011, 01:17 PM

Because we remember how bad some of his misses were :D

We're pretty desperate for a striker though...

IpswichEagle

11-08-2011, 01:20 PM

Jesus Christ, a physical manifestation of my nightmares...

Short term deal - suppose there is no real harm (apart to my eyes) but crikey, we really are:

a) desperate
b) unable to attract any real quality players
c) paper thin
d) short of realistic targets

So many injuries already to important players. It just shows how little depth our squad has.

Kuqi is an easy target to make jokes about. Despite the fact that the majority of his performances were either comical or frustrating, he isn't the worst player in the world, and he's probably better than Andrew, simply due to the fact he somehow gets the ball in the net now and then.

But dear god, we are plumbing some depths now...

Maybe Davids will come back to play RB. Or Valerian Ismael at CB. Short term deals only of course.

I'm certainly not a crisis bandwagon rider, just think realistically we all thought we might be a bit better prepared. Far too early to predict how we will do as a team.

Danny boy

11-08-2011, 01:23 PM

Short term deal - suppose there is no real harm (apart to my eyes) but crikey, we really are:

b) unable to attract any real quality players
.
what do you expect?

Ketteridge

11-08-2011, 01:24 PM

Can't we all agree to disagree on this?

IpswichEagle

11-08-2011, 01:29 PM

what do you expect?

I would have expected the fans expectations to be managed a bit more realistically.

I would also have expected that we wouldn't be returning to old warhorses to dig us out of the mire.

I think it is evident that some people thought that we'd be in a much stonger position in terms of a squad than last year. I think that was overly optimistic.

Why have we had so many trialists, in such a short space of time, with lttle in the way of success? Is there a problem with our scouting network? For the record, i have no problem making sure we are sure about a player before signing. Just seems a very muddled approach that is creeping towards out and out desperation. Just a different form from the multi-million £££ desperation of past regimes

orp pisshead1

11-08-2011, 01:32 PM

We should only take him on if we get rid of easter n andrew.

Seaside Eagle

11-08-2011, 01:36 PM

To be fair to the optimists, SP said that we'd start with a better squad than last year.

Boyandy

11-08-2011, 01:38 PM

Why have we had so many trialists, in such a short space of time, with lttle in the way of success? Is there a problem with our scouting network?

It's hardly symptomatic of this season - we've had loads of players on trial in the past but the only one I can think of us actually taking on was Michael Hughes.

We took Popovic on trial and didn't sign him for another 2-3 years. They're always going to be gambles.

st albans

11-08-2011, 01:39 PM

if he's as 'fit' as he was in 08-09 then i'm happy with it. Would give us something we don't have

cp eagles

11-08-2011, 01:39 PM

Lets not get a head of ourselves The tweet said COULD doesn't mean he will. Who knows it could be completely made up Murray injured Or hang on Kuqi is training with Palace ill put 2 an 2 together.

CrawleyEagle

11-08-2011, 01:39 PM

Shall we get Nigel Martyn back as cover for Jules?

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 01:40 PM

To be fair to the optimists, SP said that we'd start with a better squad than last year.

I think the squad is SLIGHTLY better than last year. We've got players bedded in. We've signed a guy who scored a few goals last season. We haven't lost anyone that major apart from Danns.

We just haven't had anyone with that WOW factor come in. We need a CB BADLY. Our major problem is Clyne being injured.

IpswichEagle

11-08-2011, 01:45 PM

It's hardly symptomatic of this season - we've had loads of players on trial in the past but the only one I can think of us actually taking on was Michael Hughes.

We took Popovic on trial and didn't sign him for another 2-3 years. They're always going to be gambles.

This is true, but this season there has been a greater need for recruitment then past seasons. Therefore there is much more pressure on the scouts and manager to get it right.

markholmes1991

11-08-2011, 01:47 PM

People are getting carried away. Only last week people went as far to say we should contemplate signing AJ back.
I do feel the club have messed up horrendously over the summer, and there does seem to be somewhat lack of cohesion in the structure of the signings
The fans expectations need to be kept in check. We don’t have the luxury of signing 2million rated players anymore.

My personal preference would have been to go for some up & coming youngsters. I’d rather see a youngster who perhaps isn’t the finished product, but will offer endeavour and almost has that element of “No fear” about them.
I feel there is a lack of drive by some of the current crop, and complacency soon sets in. It pains me to say it, but the simple fact is we’re not the force we were. I’ve said it previously, but sometimes you have to go back in life, to go forward.

Mixed feelings on Kuqi coming back. Scored some good goals in his time, but his public slating of the club wrangled with me, sure DF said after the Forest match he only wanted players who wanted to play for CPFC.

IpswichEagle

11-08-2011, 01:51 PM

I think the squad is SLIGHTLY better than last year. We've got players bedded in. We've signed a guy who scored a few goals last season. We haven't lost anyone that major apart from Danns.

We just haven't had anyone with that WOW factor come in. We need a CB BADLY. Our major problem is Clyne being injured.

And this is also true. But the key here is having a better SQUAD than last year. Our 1st XI when fit isn't bad. Might even be better than last year, though i personally think Danns was a big loss. But take out just one player and we don't have any much strength at all. Nobody expects us to have the squad of Man City, but we don't have cover where, and i may be wrong, we were led to believe we would get it sorted.

I dread to think what would happen if Paddy gets injured or suspended (and that must be in the back of their heads when playing). The same can be said for Scannell (and both have records for injuries and suspensions).

Honestly i think expectations could have been managed better. Better to underestimate what we could achieve.

AmericanEAGLE.

11-08-2011, 01:52 PM

Can't be arsed to sort through a thread that's already 35 pages :eek:

But is there real truth to this?

Not sure how I feel about it. I support anyone that has the Palace shirt on and he's better than Andrew and Easter, so why not?

Guess this means Pinney is out on loan as well?

Latvian Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:01 PM

costner

11-08-2011, 02:09 PM

Bleak. Very bleak.

Stellavista

11-08-2011, 02:23 PM

I'd didn't even open this thread, on the assumption that it was just an update on his playing career at Bangor or Brechin, or some such.
Please tell me the club are not really contemplating bring this sack of sh*t back to Selhurst?!

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:25 PM

Zohar Returns

11-08-2011, 02:25 PM

My personal preference would have been to go for some up & coming youngsters

So would mine but with the likes of Bournemouth wanting £1m+ for Ings and Huddersfield for Rhodes (both unproven at a higher level) it's just not going to happen.

Stellavista

11-08-2011, 02:31 PM

I can see all of this leading to a confrontation between Freedman and many of the supporters. The manager seems to have it in his head to play a different style of football then the majority of fans want to see. All well and good, if that stlye brings succcess, but the signs in the latter part of last season and the start of this are not good.
We'v had teams in the past that have played with width, fluidity and aggression. I think that's what most of us like.
Burley's team was powder puff, Freedman's team, so far, is predictable.

Neckinger Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:32 PM

I get the feeling the current recruitment policy is more in line with teams in the Isthmian League than the Football League, everything off the cuff from what's readily available.

Spender

11-08-2011, 02:34 PM

I dont think the current squad is stronger than last seasons.

We have lost 3 of our 5 best players in Danns, Vaughan and Gardner (Speroni & Clyne being the others IMHO) and we look more fragile defensively and less potent going forward as a result.

Northern_palace

11-08-2011, 02:34 PM

I cannot see how bringing in kuqi could possibly improve us. His touch is absolutely awful, he is not prolific in front of goal, he's not great in the air, not particularly quick, his striking of a ball looks great in the warm up but is terrible when it comes to it in a game. All he is is some sort of a battering ram up front and personally I don't want to see us play that way. If people feel he gives something different then I would have to say he is no better than Calvin Andrew, and you know he will sweat blood for the cause as he proved 2 seasons ago. If he signs then it seriously shows how much we are struggling and whilst I appreciate it's not easy to bring amazing players in on our budget we really may as well stick with what we have. He would be money wasted on wages that could go on a loan player

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 02:37 PM

HE'S NOT COMING IN TO IMPROVE US OR TAKE US FORWARD, HE IS COMING IN TO COVER INJURIES FOR THE TWO PLAYERS WE HAVE TO DO THAT ROLE.

Jeez, BBS in going OTT shocker

Stellavista

11-08-2011, 02:38 PM

I've said it over and over again on these boards, the crowds won't come back until there is a team worthy of their hard earned on the pitch. The team has been starved of investment for the best part of a decade. The owners need to realise this, and either make an initial substantial investment in the team, or find someone else who can. Anything else will be an invitation to relegation and continued decline.

Spender

11-08-2011, 02:38 PM

Desperate measures employed in terms of our recruitment in recent weeks

Stellavista

11-08-2011, 02:39 PM

HE'S NOT COMING IN TO IMPROVE US OR TAKE US FORWARD, HE IS COMING IN TO COVER INJURIES FOR THE TWO PLAYERS WE HAVE TO DO THAT ROLE.

Jeez, BBS in going OTT shocker

If it's short term, then use one of our own talented youngsters to plug the gap and gain some experience.

ChristalPalace

11-08-2011, 02:41 PM

If it's short term, then use one of our own talented youngsters to plug the gap and gain some experience.

This.

I really thought we were past shite like Kuqi picking up fat paychecks for doing f*ck all.

Spender

11-08-2011, 02:41 PM

I've said it over and over again on these boards, the crowds won't come back until there is a team worthy of their hard earned on the pitch. The team has been starved off investment for the best part of a decade. The owners need to realise this, and either make an initial substantial investment in the team, or find someone else who can. Anything else will be an invitation to relegation and continued decline.

I think we all need to remember that we have just been saved from Administration & possible extinction ! Let's stay real in our expectations at this very early stage in the rebuilding of our the Club folks.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 02:42 PM

If it's short term, then use one of our own talented youngsters to plug the gap and gain some experience.

Which of our talented kids is in the Murray/Iversen mould?

trufan

11-08-2011, 02:45 PM

I've said it over and over again on these boards, the crowds won't come back until there is a team worthy of their hard earned on the pitch. The team has been starved off investment for the best part of a decade. The owners need to realise this, and either make an initial substantial investment in the team, or find someone else who can. Anything else will be an invitation to relegation and continued decline.

Regardless of the Kuqi situation, this is entirely right. I could never abandon Palace, but many others are less committed and won't make the effort/ fork out the readies to watch a losing team.

Neckinger Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:48 PM

1f57

Which of our talented kids is in the Murray/Iversen mould?

Quite true. The Academy seems capable of generating quick lively skinny attacking players aplenty (Moses, Cadogan, Zaha, Williams, Sekejja and to a lesser extent Pinney) but less adept at producing more powerful, less subtle strikers. I think it is still the case that most Championship central defenders are built like brick out houses so there needs to be the capbability to mix it up and rough it up sometimes.

Talking of which, who was the last central defender produced by the Academy to make an impact at Palace's competitive level?

We live in a world of big footballers, folks.

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:48 PM

Which of our talented kids is in the Murray/Iversen mould?

what about using some imagination and playing a front 2 without a 'target' man..? you know, keeping the ball on the floor instead of bang and hope tactics..?

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:49 PM

Danny boy

11-08-2011, 02:50 PM

picking up fat paychecks.
Yeah we are really going to give a back up player huge wages

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 02:50 PM

what about using some imagination and playing a front 2 without a 'target' man..? you know, keeping the ball on the floor instead of bang and hope tactics..?

The best football we have played in the last god knows how many years has Neil Shipperly in the side. Target man doesn't mean bang and hope. What it allows is for someone to give the smaller skillful players more space.

ChristalPalace

11-08-2011, 02:52 PM

lol

Glad somebody got it, even if it was Danny boy.

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 02:52 PM

The best football we have played in the last god knows how many years has Neil Shipperly in the side. Target man doesn't mean bang and hope. What it allows is for someone to give the smaller skillful players more space.

No it wasn't, the best football we've played for many years was under Steve Bruce when we had a front 2 of Freedman and Morrison, get your facts straight before posting drivel.

BringBackSasa

11-08-2011, 02:52 PM

I don’t care if it’s a short-term deal, the idea of wilfully giving this ungrateful fat useless old lump more money makes me feel physically sick. It’s like chasing a burglar down the street to give him the DVD player he missed.

ChristalPalace

11-08-2011, 02:53 PM

Stellavista

11-08-2011, 02:59 PM

Which of our talented kids is in the Murray/Iversen mould?

There's the rub. I'd say we needed to adjust the formation and tactics to suit the players that are coming through the academy. If the academy is supposed to being feeding talent into our first team, why are we not developing a Murray or an Iverson at that level?
Whichever way you look at it, there's a lack of joined-up thinking.

SEEPEEEFFSEE

11-08-2011, 03:01 PM

I just don't get what message this sends to the youngsters waiting to get their chance? forgetting the target man argument, it hasn't worked for us for years so change things around and give the academy players a go whilst its still early in the season.
I could understand this panic if we were a month or 2 away from the end of the season but we aren't. Kuqi doesn't deserve another chance at this club, he blew it plain and simple and bringing him back will just encourage the boo boys to create a bad atmos around the place before we've even really started this season. It would be a really really poor decision to get him back in any capacity IMO.

kolinkins

11-08-2011, 03:03 PM

There's the rub. I'd say we needed to adjust the formation and tactics to suit the players that are coming through the academy. If the academy is supposed to being feeding talent into our first team, why are we not developing a Murray or an Iverson at that level?
Whichever way you look at it, there's a lack of joined-up thinking.

Or it is that players only become suitable hold-up players later on in their careers (like Clinton).

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 03:04 PM

Or it is that players only become suitable hold-up players later on in their careers (like Clinton).

lmao, are you for real...?

beef

11-08-2011, 03:08 PM

I didn't mind him when he was here, certainly not worth £2.5m tho! If he's free and on low wages I do not see a problem.

Heb 7:4

11-08-2011, 03:11 PM

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/9/15/128660007910239667.jpg

jobiinthelastmi

11-08-2011, 03:16 PM

Is he definately signing? You're all talking like it's signed on the dotted line

Il Padrino

11-08-2011, 03:19 PM

A middle aged man who has not played regular football in more than a year could be coming in to fill a crucial position in the side. Jolly good

Heb 7:4

11-08-2011, 03:19 PM

http://www.westernexhibitions.com/current/frank_hardesty09/frank/big_thumbs/23_NO_REALLY.jpg
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/10/13/2d85e2e0-edc4-4021-9104-15e4fffeb018.jpg

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 03:22 PM

Just seen him leaving the ground in a taxi.....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/2438148760_fc75ffd612.jpg

Northern_palace

11-08-2011, 03:27 PM

That's just got you some rep se25

CP Satellite

11-08-2011, 03:27 PM

W19QnOd9GbU

SE25Eagle

11-08-2011, 03:27 PM

That's just got you some rep se25

:p

PauLo

11-08-2011, 03:34 PM

Kuqi be trolling.

wawman_15

11-08-2011, 04:12 PM

Played well in his last season and was actually big hit with the fans then. Finished our top scorer and always looked a threat. If this Kuqi turns up then why not?!? Won't know that until its too late though.

Kinda thought Alassane N'Diaye could cover and even develop into a big target man role with the right guidance.

Il Padrino

11-08-2011, 04:19 PM

cpfcfan124

11-08-2011, 04:36 PM

OakwoodEagle

11-08-2011, 04:38 PM

Chris Leitch

11-08-2011, 04:41 PM

awesome.

skinned eagle

11-08-2011, 04:42 PM

We don't need him...We have super Calvin Andrew! ;)

thehalifaxman

11-08-2011, 04:45 PM

Kuqi up front led us to a mid table finish. I'd settle for that. He's better than Andrew (sorry Calv - i do love you) and with a lot of lightweight youngsters (Zaha, scannel (even though he's bulked up), cadogen) and the likes of Ambrose and whoever we play on the wings we need an oaf so hozzah we've found our oaf. Hopefully he can oaf about for a few months. He must be pumped up having not played for a while. Love to see him get stuck in.

Stellavista

11-08-2011, 05:19 PM

Ketteridge

11-08-2011, 05:37 PM

Kuqi looks like the sort of bloke who loves to be tickled. I don't trust him

herts_palace

11-08-2011, 05:40 PM

The owners need to realise this, and either make an initial substantial investment in the team, or find someone else who can. Anything else will be an invitation to relegation and continued decline.

Yep there is a long queue of potential buyers at the club shop as we speak right now.

W Malling Eagle

11-08-2011, 05:47 PM

Yep there is a long queue of potential buyers at the club shop as we speak right now.

Love it! :p

Adam_Eagle

11-08-2011, 05:49 PM

He really wasnt that bad in his last spell - he would certainly do a job now. Just the sort of fight we'd need up top. A 'Pay as you play' deal would dispell any overpaid, and cant be bothered rumours. Come back Kuqi!

W Malling Eagle

11-08-2011, 05:49 PM

Am i the only one that would be happy with this? hes 34 so still has one or 2 seasons left in him, hes got still got something to proof due to him costing us 2.5 mill before and only having one half decent season ? or am i just being stupid like always ;) ?

I would be happy with this. A short term deal with no Murray or Iversen fit might be a good move. Dougie must know how fit and sharp Kuqi is, so if he's willing to give him a few months I'm all for it.

AddiscombeCPFC

11-08-2011, 05:52 PM

I think Im in the minority, but if he has a short term contact/trial and is on low wages, I wouldnt be averse to see Kuqi back at Palace

It's not like we are swamped with strikers and on his day he could be a handful. I think a lot of the criticism he got last when he was with us last time was because we had paid £2.5m transfer fee and stupid wages, for a player who obviously wasn't worth it.

With Murray out, Kuqi could deffo do a job for us. Saying all that, Freedman has had the whole summer to sort our squad out and it does smack a little bit of desperation to getsomeone like Kuiq back

rossi71987

11-08-2011, 06:12 PM

c55

Not happy as think this is us getting desp but if it is a short term job we dont have much to lose tbh. Just wrog that DF lies to us always

gadford4th

11-08-2011, 06:21 PM

When is this happening? I am RARING to go. :D

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=156897&highlight=kuqi

http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176734&highlight=kuqi

Archiebald Leitch

11-08-2011, 06:25 PM

He used to be shite, but now......

JDawg

11-08-2011, 06:29 PM

foxinthebox

11-08-2011, 06:39 PM

Erm...

At the last count and in no particular order:

Iversen
Murray
Scannell
Zaha
Easter
Pinney
Sekajja
Andrew

and now Kuqi.

Generally no more than two start. So when do we get swamped?

Scannell
Zaha
Easter
Pinney
Sekajja
Andrew

combined career goals of about 50! and most of them easters in the lower leagues.

i see kuqi offering something none of them do. he cant be any more unfit than jon parkin! he does a job