View Full Version : Under rated players of our time
tomario
22-03-1999, 11:12 PM
1) Kevin Mabbutt - Scored some vital goals for us in the mid 1980's that kept us up
2) george Wood - Formed a great defence with Jimbo, only let down in his last few games for us
Any others?
JIMBO
23-03-1999, 03:03 PM
Although he didn't spend a long time with Palace I always thought Dave Madden was a very under-rated player - however Coppell didn't seem to agree!
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tomario
24-03-1999, 04:29 AM
Only because he alledgly shagged Coppells wife. Was a class player though
markholmes1991
22-02-2011, 08:31 PM
John Humphrey, vastly underrated.
SA Eagle
22-02-2011, 08:36 PM
Not sure that Humphrey was necessarily underrated, I think most people could tell he was a quality full back, but it was just that he came from Charlton and replaced Pemberton who was a firm fans' favourite.
ElwissAtMemphis
22-02-2011, 11:30 PM
John Humphrey "vastly underrated" !!!? I don't think so.
Widely appreciated I'd say. There seemed to be a groundswell of opinion that John Pemberton had been harshly treated when he was off-loaded after the Cup Final season to make way for Humphrey. But it was only the 3rd match of that season when Pemberton returned with his new club Sheffield United. Humphrey put in a fantastic performance, not only providing the cross for our winner but generally looking like a class act and I doubt whether anybody left in any doubt that we'd significantly strengthened our squad with the exchange.
Also, the initial poster suggested Kevin Mabbutt. No way would anybody who was a regular watcher of Palace during that period agree. He'd hold down a place in today's team, no question in fact in most seasons apart from the halcyon Wright/Bright era and other top-flight campaigns. In a period when we had the most unimaginable dross turning out in a Palace shirt at centre forward ... Chris Jones, Tommy Langley, Ian Edwards, Andy McCulloch, Ally Brown, Tony Evans, Trevor Aylott, Tony Mahoney. I dread to think of the response on the BBS if it had around in those days after watching those carthorses (profuse apologies to any equine agricultural labourers out there for the smear)
Mabbutt was a shining beacon of footballing talent in those days. He was blighted by injury but we were so used to the dross that filled-in during his prolonged periods of recuperation that our expectations when he returned were probably unrealistic. He was a legend. A mythical being that occasionally turned up after months of his latest injury but who could still put his understudies to shame, even if he'd taken to the field in a full leg plaster cast and crutches. The bloke was positively Keegan-esque to my eyes and I always assumed to most of my fellow fans too. Anyway ...
Genuinely underrated players? Hmmmmm .... Nicky Chatterton. I remember him being the target of the boo-boys, even during my first years watching, but viewing old fotage, he looks a class act and was always my favourite player for my first 2 or 3 years as a child. I suppose his subsequent career suggests that he wasn't all that brilliant but I have good memories.
Ben Watson; few players have split opinion more but I always thought that he had class. He seems to have established himself at Wigan a lot more than Victor Moses who I'm sure most fans rated a lot more highly.
The incomparable Mike Elwiss. Like Mabbutt, more a victim of injury than being underrated but he definitely springs to mind.
Marco Gabbiadini. Treated very unfairly. A record of 6 goals in 22 appearances when he was being outrageously played out of position (or at least with tactics that would never suit him) was a pretty decent achievement. If we'd played him in a withdrawn role like the one that Freedman was more suited to, who knows what might have happened. He was a victim of Coppell's obsession with one-dimensional long-ball tactics.
Maybe Kevin Taylor, although in a period when there were very few Palace fans it's hard to tell how well rated he was. 15 goals from 90-odd appearances in central midfield is not to be sniffed at and some of them were fantastic strikes.
I could probably go on and on but I'll spare you. Sorry.
Louis
22-02-2011, 11:45 PM
1) Kevin Mabbutt - Scored some vital goals for us in the mid 1980's that kept us up
Wrong thread - Mabbutt was not under-rated, he was universally appreciated.
Budgie Byrne
23-02-2011, 09:50 PM
[QUOTEMarco Gabbiadini. Treated very unfairly. A record of 6 goals in 22 appearances when he was being outrageously played out of position (or at least with tactics that would never suit him) was a pretty decent achievement. If we'd played him in a withdrawn role like the one that Freedman was more suited to, who knows what might have happened. He was a victim of Coppell's obsession with one-dimensional long-ball tactics.
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I agree Marco was very underrated, it was always going to be hard to take Wrighty's place for anybody.
Underrated, Coppell's style of play. You do not finish third in the toughest league in the World playing one-dimensional long-ball. Fast pace, yes. Long passing yes, but there was far more to Palace at that time than long ball. Wimbledon were long ball. Palace were fast direct and tough, but we had top quality skillful players in that squad:p
Under rated at 1.8m? Always looked a couple of kilos over to me. He was toilet. Lets be honest, we lost someone who went on to be a winner, and replaced him with someone for whom the Palace price tag was the pinnacle of his career.
Disappointing does not really do the move justice - the quotes uncle Ron came out with as he kicked his tyres and moved him on to a new owner probably did do it justice though.
As for under rated, I reckon Phylis was.
And Thinagain
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Billy Rhino
23-02-2011, 10:58 PM
1. Neil Redfearn. Always looked a class player to me but just didn't fit in with our longball game.
2. Chris Powell. Again looked class and a shame he didn't get a chance.
3. Leon McKenzie. Probably in Clinton's shadow but all the same a talented player.
4. Steve Claridge. Booo. With Wright & Bright around it was difficult for him to fit in but a good striker.
5. Stan Collymore. Same as above but better.
6. Carlo Nash. Should've been given more chances (a bit like Speroni over Kiraly).
CPFC.ORG
23-02-2011, 11:16 PM
Valérien Ismaël
Owngoal
23-02-2011, 11:28 PM
Paul hammond, never forgiven for deposing Jacko
mushroom
24-02-2011, 12:00 AM
Damien Matthew
ElwissAtMemphis
24-02-2011, 12:13 AM
1. Neil Redfearn. Always looked a class player to me but just didn't fit in with our longball game.
2. Chris Powell. Again looked class and a shame he didn't get a chance.
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4. Steve Claridge. Booo. With Wright & Bright around it was difficult for him to fit in but a good striker.
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Neil Redfearn was as highly rated as anybody while he was in our team that was beginning to show its undoubted potential in the late 80's. The truth was that he got in big sulk because he thought he didn't deserve to be substituted and waltzed off in a petulant strop thinking that we didn't appreciate him.
Considering we'd rescued him from the living hell that was Doncaster Rovers (in the years when they were really shite) and we were halfway through a season that ended in eventual promotion, then it was a big fat good riddance as far as I was concerned. The stick he got from our travelling support when he ill-advisedly made the half-time draw at his new club Watford at the Good Friday fixture at Vicarage Road against us was well deserved.
He hardly set the world alight after he'd left. We all knew he was a decent player but let's not forget, it was him who thought he was too good for us. Not vice versa.
Chris Powell ... I'm sorry but that just sounds like trying to sound wise after the event. I was even more surprised to see an ex-Palace player in an England shirt when he made his debut than I was when I saw Terry Fenwick at Mexico '86.
He only started 2 matches for us plus 2 more as a sub. If you could tell that he was a future England international then you're a better judge of a player than me (not to mention Steve Coppell apparently)
Steve Claridge ... never made a first team appearance for Palace. If you were regular at reserve matches and noticed his hidden talents then fair play but under-rated ? I don't think so. Nobody had the opportunity to rate him in the first place so trying to rate him is meaningless unless you seriously think that dropping Wright or Bright to give him a chance would have been a sensible move.
Asagaya_Eagle
24-02-2011, 01:21 AM
Under rated at 1.8m? Always looked a couple of kilos over to me. He was toilet. Lets be honest, we lost someone who went on to be a winner, and replaced him with someone for whom the Palace price tag was the pinnacle of his career.
Disappointing does not really do the move justice - the quotes uncle Ron came out with as he kicked his tyres and moved him on to a new owner probably did do it justice though.
As for under rated, I reckon Phylis was.
And Thinagain
Agree with all if this!
RedStripe Eagle
24-02-2011, 04:42 AM
Valérien Ismaël
massively, ended up as a very good players, was probably a bit too yhoung when he came over and did not have a preseason to get to know everyone, shame as he would have been a solid prem player for years :sob: :sob:
Panther
24-02-2011, 08:56 AM
Neil Redfearn
He hardly set the world alight after he'd left.
Might not have set the world alight but he still had a pretty decent career; indeed, he's 6th in the list of all-time appearances (790 for 14 clubs), so he must have had something. Barnsley fans in particular held him in high regard (for what that's worth).
Vince Hilaire's Afro
24-02-2011, 09:52 AM
Under rated at 1.8m? Always looked a couple of kilos over to me. He was toilet. Lets be honest, we lost someone who went on to be a winner, and replaced him with someone for whom the Palace price tag was the pinnacle of his career.
Disappointing does not really do the move justice - the quotes uncle Ron came out with as he kicked his tyres and moved him on to a new owner probably did do it justice though.
As for under rated, I reckon Phylis was.
And Thinagain
I think there's a bit of confusion about the definition of underrated on this thread. Gabbiadini could be considered underrated if a lot of Palace fans rated him as 'shit', regardless of his transfer fee.
For me, I would say Kevin Taylor. Although he was highly regarded by the few fans who used to attend at the time, he doesn't get much of a mention these days. Like the midfield version of Mabbutt, he was a shining beacon of class, coming in after a long line of dross. He was one of the catalysts for The eventual turnaround under Coppell, and used to love kicking Brighton's Danny Wilson up the arse all game - what's not to like?
I think people forget how many good performances Gary O'Reilly put in. And Andy Linighan really shored up a creaky defence too.
telodaja
24-02-2011, 09:58 AM
Still say given a decent run in the side Torghele could have been more than useful. Always thought Ricky Heppolette was a better player than people gave him credit for.
Maybe Kevin Taylor, although in a period when there were very few Palace fans it's hard to tell how well rated he was. 15 goals from 90-odd appearances in central midfield is not to be sniffed at and some of them were fantastic strikes..
Agreed, he was a very good player for us in a poor but slowly emerging team.
Left as his wife was homesick for the North IIRC
Jono14
24-02-2011, 10:11 AM
Danny Granville
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