View Full Version : My confidence in the old bill...
Kevin T
03-07-1999, 04:36 AM
was dealt a big blow at Swindon away a couple of seasons ago (just before we went up) when I asked the way to the station off some guys behind. They told me to "F*CK OFF" then smacked my mate in the face. Being the hard lunatics we are, we scattered. I came across a Policeman and told him of the incident to which he replied....
"My best advice is to F*UCK OFF back to South London you Palace scum!"
PR at it's best.
I find that very hard to believe; my dealings with the Wilts scrum, has been that they love to wear wellies and herd sheep. To believe that they could put more than three words together, must mean that they have been on a recruiting drive or the sheep have left Wiltshire.
Chocky
03-07-1999, 03:46 PM
Swindon have got a few evil bastards on their firm. The second nearest I ever shat myself at football (first was on a train leaving Stoke you may have read a while back) was after the play-off down there. Before the game we were drinking in a hotel opposite the main cop shop and saw some loonies with long coats (in that heat) frisking each other to see if whatever they had could be detected. They spotted us after the game and came after us, and we piled into the car 30 seconds or so before they reached us. We passed 4 coppers just down the road and told them but they didn't give a sh*t either. Melinda Messenger is a Swindon whore.
Les Butler
22-07-1999, 01:32 PM
Going back a bit palace 1-1 at Liverpool not sure if we were in 2nd or 3rd Div (old)f.a cup. But they made us the palace fans walk out with the Kop down a small ally way where we got slaughterd,a young girl (forteen)got a head butt from a gorrilla because of her palace scarf.I went to a "copper" and said we needed help and all I got was abuse and serve you right for coming here cockney B*****d,I got a black eye and a good kick in the nuts and my old man got a bollocking from my mother when we got home !! ."Good ole days"
Who's Melinda Messenger ?
[This message has been edited by Les Butler (edited 22 July 1999).]
Mad Raschic Ken
22-07-1999, 01:54 PM
The worst policing incident I remember was at Walsall a few years back when we drew 0-0. Geoff Thomas was put clean through only to hear the whistle go very late for a Palace free kick. Just in front of me there was a bloke who was about 18 or so who had his younger brother with him (about 12). The older brother shouted something along the lines of "You b@stard ref!" and was promptly set upon by 4 truncheon wielding policemen. The younger brother was shouting "Leave my brother alone" for which he was arrested and marched round the side of the pitch with his arm held firmly behind his back. At this point things were beginning to look a bit nasty with numerous Palace fans looking ready to take on the police. Fortunately, just behind me I heard 2 blokes saying that they were from Norwood police (obviously undercover) and warning the local police that they would report the incident if they didn't pull their men out of the Palace section immediately. The police almost immediately made themselves as invisible as they should have been in the first place.
Another incident was at the 3-2 win at Bournemouth (on the day of the England v Australia cricket World Cup Final). Palace were 2-0 down inside 10 minutes and for no apparent reason the police opened a big gate at the front of the away end and stormed in with truncheons flying. I was on a club coach that day and didn't see what went on after, but the story was that both sets of fans battled with the police afterwards. Maybe some of you were there and know whether that was really the case or whether it's just one of those greatly exaggerated stories.
Chocky
22-07-1999, 03:01 PM
I was there Mad Vindaloo Chicken, and no it isn't exaggerated. The police didn't have a clue that day. My friends and I were orininally denied entry to the stand because it was 'families only' even though we had Lifeline tickets. We had to get the police chief out to sort it. I saw one bloke run on the pitch after to shake a player's hand and he got set upon by 3 coppers and a dog who nailed him to the floor. There was chaos in the park afterwards, all caused by heavy handed 'police'.
Chocky
22-07-1999, 03:06 PM
I've just remembered this from that day, and I haven't a clue why I'm telling you this, but instead of getting involved with the rucks afterwards, I ran across the park with my willy hanging out.
Don't know why. Let's put it down to a wee drink + victory.
northernsouler
23-07-1999, 04:01 AM
One of Sussex's finest gave a swift knee in the hows-your-fathers as a going away present at a certain seaside town. I was walking with "John Wayne" gait for the next 3 days.
tomario
24-07-1999, 04:39 AM
Any policing in the West Midlands is shocking, especially at Villa Park And Walsall
Small number
28-07-1999, 08:20 PM
At the Q.P.R game when there ******* of a striker swore at the Palace fans the police said they were investigating it and I haven't heard a thing since have you?
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CPFC-DIEHARD84
28-10-2008, 04:17 AM
was dealt a big blow at Swindon away a couple of seasons ago (just before we went up) when I asked the way to the station off some guys behind. They told me to "F*CK OFF" then smacked my mate in the face. Being the hard lunatics we are, we scattered. I came across a Policeman and told him of the incident to which he replied....
"My best advice is to F*UCK OFF back to South London you Palace scum!"
PR at it's best.
Nice policeman you had the pleasure of talking to, i think they are generally a bit more resevered these days! ...Or maybe not
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Mat ov CPFC
28-10-2008, 06:09 AM
Last centuries Policemen were such brutes.
I was still at school when we started going Palace away games. On me and my mates first visit to St Andrews, early 90's, we asked a copper whereabouts the ground was, only for him to send us the wrong way and straight into a group of young Brummie wanna be hoolies.
Its lucky we were a bit nimble on our feet, ended up getting chased all over the place. Luckily enough we bumped into a Villa fan who told us where the dump was.
Old Bill scum! :)
PalaceMonkey
28-10-2008, 10:40 AM
After WCB had got us thoroughly lost in Nottingham, the polis were very helpful indeed, the young lass radio'ing someone to make sure we got the correct directions.
Psychokiller
28-10-2008, 10:52 AM
The West Midlands Police were renowned for their shness in the mid-late 80s. I remember a game at Walsall's old Fellowes Park ground where they manhandled out a 12 year old because the entire Palace crowd said the word "wanker".
Neil the Eagle
28-10-2008, 11:14 AM
That youngster is an occassional BBS'r, he looked young for his age. He was ejected for quacking a duck quacker... I'd loved to have seen that written up in their log-sheet.
Psychokiller
28-10-2008, 11:17 AM
That youngster is an occassional BBS'r, he looked young for his age. He was ejected for quacking a duck quacker... I'd loved to have seen that written up in their log-sheet.
Bloody hell, you were there as well? What a ramshackle old ground that was! I assumed they'd chucked him out because the entire crowd swore but he was the only one they could handle in a fight :)
Neil the Eagle
28-10-2008, 11:54 AM
Yes, my one and only visit to Fellows Park. I got a warning for standing with about a millimetre of shoe over a yellow line. The WM Police were way OTT that day, they seemed to be expecting trouble after the fracas at Villa the previous season.
Glaws Eagle
28-10-2008, 11:58 AM
That youngster is an occassional BBS'r, he looked young for his age. He was ejected for quacking a duck quacker... I'd loved to have seen that written up in their log-sheet.
Christ. I was there too. A hot dry summers day, Sept 1989. Score 0-0 I think.
I remember the incident well. 2000 Palace in the open end, and the OB ejecting the youngest/smallest looking lad there. A couple of lads trying to reason with the Bill??? ..... all to no avail.
A total travesty!!
Psychokiller
28-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Yes, my one and only visit to Fellows Park. I got a warning for standing with about a millimetre of shoe over a yellow line. The WM Police were way OTT that day, they seemed to be expecting trouble after the fracas at Villa the previous season.
Yep. I used to wear my Palace scarf around my head (I was a kid at the time). A WM Gestapo actually told me to take it off or face arrest!
People forget how badly us football fans were treated by the old bill under Thatcher. We were seen as a couple of levels below plankton.
calne eagle
28-10-2008, 12:05 PM
As far as the lovely County Ground is concerned, I really wouldn't see a problem. The Bristol grounds are a bit different (City far worse than Rovers - who I rather like) And I don't mess with Wales anymore.
Tom's Old Man
29-10-2008, 06:50 PM
The West Midlands Police were renowned for their shness in the mid-late 80s. I remember a game at Walsall's old Fellowes Park ground where they manhandled out a 12 year old because the entire Palace crowd said the word "wanker".
Remember it well. That was my only ever trip to Fellows Park, but matches at Villa, Brum and West Brom were no better, dozens ejected for F.A. every time in the late 80s. West Midlands Police :veryangry
Sam Spade
30-10-2008, 01:45 PM
People forget how badly us football fans were treated by the old bill under Thatcher. We were seen as a couple of levels below plankton.
Did you see that Thatchers cohort and friend of the fans David Evans, he of the Luton fences, left for the big kick off in the sky the other day. I wondered whether, that for one day only, St.Peter might be a Watford fan.
Psychokiller
30-10-2008, 01:56 PM
Did you see that Thatchers cohort and friend of the fans David Evans, he of the Luton fences, left for the big kick off in the sky the other day. I wondered whether, that for one day only, St.Peter might be a Watford fan.
I'd actually forgotten he existed :) I wonder if Moynihan, the "minature for sport" is still around?
Ken Bates was just as bad, he wanted to install electric fences at Stamford Bridge at one point.
Big Blue Eagle
30-10-2008, 02:04 PM
Moynihan is the head of the British Olympic Association
Psychokiller
30-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Bloody hell, that's nearly as mental as Mawhinney running the football league. How comes the Tories, who did their best to sport up in this country by underfunding and treating footy fans like vermin, get all these top sports jobs?
James
30-10-2008, 05:18 PM
Blimey - this is an old thread!
I'm not sure why everyone expects the Police always to be polite and helpful. Sure, it's their job - but they are really no different to anyone else. There are as many ill mannered, prejudiced, and violent individuals serving with the Plod as in the rest of the population they are supposed to be protecting. Indeed, in some cases I suspect that it's the desire to be in control that drives some inadequate individuals into the Police.
In the interests of balance, I must add that there are also some truly decent folk in the Force -- people who have joined up because they want to help Society by keeping order.
Sam Spade
30-10-2008, 05:56 PM
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I wonder if Moynihan, the "minature for sport" is still around?
I remember almost getting myself sacked around this time. There was some idle chat going on after some meeting or other, at which, it turned out, I was the only football fan.
Some sloaney bint was going on about Moynihan having the right idea about fans being made to have identity cards, and that it would stop hooliganism at a stroke. I asked her whether she felt that arsonists or say adulterors may benefit similarly, and generally poked fun at the ludicrous and unworkable idea. Turns out Moynihan was sloaney bints other halfs best chum and "he is a jolly clever chap and went to Oxford."
I told her that I went to Oxford, that the Manor Ground was a crap hole and we always won there. At that point I was ushered away by my pretend scouser boss.
calne eagle
30-10-2008, 06:00 PM
Yep. I used to wear my Palace scarf around my head (I was a kid at the time). A WM Gestapo actually told me to take it off or face arrest!
Round your head? Twas wrists in my day.
But yes, WM, such a nice lot. Usually shook our hands when we arrived and bought us a beer
Not.
Psychokiller
30-10-2008, 06:52 PM
I remember almost getting myself sacked around this time. There was some idle chat going on after some meeting or other, at which, it turned out, I was the only football fan.
Some sloaney bint was going on about Moynihan having the right idea about fans being made to have identity cards, and that it would stop hooliganism at a stroke. I asked her whether she felt that arsonists or say adulterors may benefit similarly, and generally poked fun at the ludicrous and unworkable idea. Turns out Moynihan was sloaney bints other halfs best chum and "he is a jolly clever chap and went to Oxford."
I told her that I went to Oxford, that the Manor Ground was a crap hole and we always won there. At that point I was ushered away by my pretend scouser boss.
God, what an awful sounding woman.
laggin
31-10-2008, 03:09 AM
was dealt a big blow at Swindon away a couple of seasons ago (just before we went up) when I asked the way to the station off some guys behind. They told me to "F*CK OFF" then smacked my mate in the face. Being the hard lunatics we are, we scattered. wimps :bash:
orp pisshead1
01-11-2008, 10:30 PM
The worst policing incident I remember was at Walsall a few years back when we drew 0-0. Geoff Thomas was put clean through only to hear the whistle go very late for a Palace free kick. Just in front of me there was a bloke who was about 18 or so who had his younger brother with him (about 12). The older brother shouted something along the lines of "You b@stard ref!" and was promptly set upon by 4 truncheon wielding policemen. The younger brother was shouting "Leave my brother alone" for which he was arrested and marched round the side of the pitch with his arm held firmly behind his back. At this point things were beginning to look a bit nasty with numerous Palace fans looking ready to take on the police. Fortunately, just behind me I heard 2 blokes saying that they were from Norwood police (obviously undercover) and warning the local police that they would report the incident if they didn't pull their men out of the Palace section immediately. The police almost immediately made themselves as invisible as they should have been in the first place.
Another incident was at the 3-2 win at Bournemouth (on the day of the England v Australia cricket World Cup Final). Palace were 2-0 down inside 10 minutes and for no apparent reason the police opened a big gate at the front of the away end and stormed in with truncheons flying. I was on a club coach that day and didn't see what went on after, but the story was that both sets of fans battled with the police afterwards. Maybe some of you were there and know whether that was really the case or whether it's just one of those greatly exaggerated stories.
I was the older brother at walsall, cpfc greenhithe is my brother and purely guessing he was around 17. The police were well out of order that day and as i was arrested i pleaded with some of my mates NOT to get involved as i knew they were shall we say on high adrenalin mode and ready to as you say take on the police. Was funny though as they dragged me round back of stand to police hut they were giving it the old london b@stard and when the desk sargent asked place of birth and i replied brum the dopey twats tried to apologise:hmph: . Something like 12-15 arrests that day and double that ejected despite there being absolutely no hint of trouble between the two sets of fans. While i admit i resisted arrest, being dragged over a safety barrier with truncheon round my neck gave me the right to have a go back afterwards c.... :veryangry . Mad away days back then. That day later cost me £250 but unlike others thanks to geoff garetys(SP) reference i escaped a ban.
Dom the Eagle
02-11-2008, 10:05 PM
Wasn't there a notorious copper who used to patrol the Holmesdale in the 80s?
Steve C
02-11-2008, 10:32 PM
Another incident was at the 3-2 win at Bournemouth (on the day of the England v Australia cricket World Cup Final). Palace were 2-0 down inside 10 minutes and for no apparent reason the police opened a big gate at the front of the away end and stormed in with truncheons flying. I was on a club coach that day and didn't see what went on after, but the story was that both sets of fans battled with the police afterwards. Maybe some of you were there and know whether that was really the case or whether it's just one of those greatly exaggerated stories.[/QUOTE]
I was there, it started with us giving George Wood (our goalie) some freindly stick for the two goals he let in, two stewards got the hump and tryd to grab a guy in a bright blue sweatshirt, and we were,nt having it, The old Bill came charging in, and promply withdrew as our blood was up, as we had done nothing wrong, they then waited for us in the carpark, But the locals for some reason joined in with us, we had no choice, they (Bill) blocked our way out.
Eric Young 83
03-11-2008, 10:43 AM
I think some people don't realise a lot of coppers get off on adrenalin aswell and go looking for fights on matchdays, not saying all of them but I know for a fact some love it.
Jack Regan
03-11-2008, 04:10 PM
Ken Bates was just as bad, he wanted to install electric fences at Stamford Bridge at one point.
And?
Maidstoned Eagle
03-11-2008, 04:32 PM
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I think some people don't realise a lot of coppers get off on adrenalin aswell and go looking for fights on matchdays, not saying all of them but I know for a fact some love it.
Not the Nine O'Clock News did a great sketch on that, can't find it though. :(
holysheet-espan
11-11-2008, 05:12 AM
as has been mentioned our own constabulary are not exempt from the odd misdemeanour, i have actually lost count of the amount of times i have seen palace fans thrown out for the most ridiculous of things, .. myself included here, i gave an ipswich player who being a troublesome git to phil barber the w-nker salute, along with about 1000 others in the arfur and i got spotted on cctv doing it ..so off i went arm up the back, my parentage being questioned , and a nice little slap from the sergeant ..when they took my details.. i lived near brighton then and they actually thought i was seaweed trouble maker out on a jolly to cause a bit of mischief . It does make me laugh when the likes of millwall come down and wreck the feckin joint while our brave bobbys stand back and let them do it , only to see tha same said plod again the following week beating the living daylights out of someone for standing up or some other equally trivial offence ! :veryangry
KevMason98
12-11-2008, 07:58 PM
I think some people don't realise a lot of coppers get off on adrenalin aswell and go looking for fights on matchdays, not saying all of them but I know for a fact some love it.
Palace v Brighton (5-0) my sunday sides centre half on duty (and a palace fan)......wore his palace top under his tunic and shirt......arrested a brighton fan and when, back at the station with no-one else about showed him his palace shirt by undoing a couple of buttons and just grinned.....
Apparently the geezer went mad!
funny tale......unsure if true or not........but funny anyway!:o
orp pisshead1
14-11-2008, 05:38 PM
Another incident was at the 3-2 win at Bournemouth (on the day of the England v Australia cricket World Cup Final). Palace were 2-0 down inside 10 minutes and for no apparent reason the police opened a big gate at the front of the away end and stormed in with truncheons flying. I was on a club coach that day and didn't see what went on after, but the story was that both sets of fans battled with the police afterwards. Maybe some of you were there and know whether that was really the case or whether it's just one of those greatly exaggerated stories.
I was there, it started with us giving George Wood (our goalie) some freindly stick for the two goals he let in, two stewards got the hump and tryd to grab a guy in a bright blue sweatshirt, and we were,nt having it, The old Bill came charging in, and promply withdrew as our blood was up, as we had done nothing wrong, they then waited for us in the carpark, But the locals for some reason joined in with us, we had no choice, they (Bill) blocked our way out.[/QUOTE]
Indeed was heavy aggro that day, police were forced out of the away pen by some of our mob, not sure why they steamed the away end but there was a firework sent into the home end from the away seats or was it onto the pitch? After game a steward was stabbed and some time later sadly died. Palace at a big away game always had a few nutters.
jone-zee
16-11-2008, 01:02 PM
Not the Nine O'Clock News did a great sketch on that, can't find it though. :(
This one Pedro? :D :D
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King William
16-11-2008, 01:17 PM
Another incident was at the 3-2 win at Bournemouth (on the day of the England v Australia cricket World Cup Final). Palace were 2-0 down inside 10 minutes and for no apparent reason the police opened a big gate at the front of the away end and stormed in with truncheons flying. I was on a club coach that day and didn't see what went on after, but the story was that both sets of fans battled with the police afterwards. Maybe some of you were there and know whether that was really the case or whether it's just one of those greatly exaggerated stories.
I was there, it started with us giving George Wood (our goalie) some freindly stick for the two goals he let in, two stewards got the hump and tryd to grab a guy in a bright blue sweatshirt, and we were,nt having it, The old Bill came charging in, and promply withdrew as our blood was up, as we had done nothing wrong, they then waited for us in the carpark, But the locals for some reason joined in with us, we had no choice, they (Bill) blocked our way out.[/QUOTE]
clearly remember that day... was in the seats watching the event unfold.
remember the problems aswell after.
apple_rain
16-11-2008, 01:39 PM
And I don't mess with Wales anymore.
I feel quite safe so long as I've got my Cardiff cousins with me.
Nth Kent Eagle
16-11-2008, 07:44 PM
I was there, it started with us giving George Wood (our goalie) some freindly stick for the two goals he let in, two stewards got the hump and tryd to grab a guy in a bright blue sweatshirt, and we were,nt having it, The old Bill came charging in, and promply withdrew as our blood was up, as we had done nothing wrong, they then waited for us in the carpark, But the locals for some reason joined in with us, we had no choice, they (Bill) blocked our way out.
clearly remember that day... was in the seats watching the event unfold.
remember the problems aswell after.[/QUOTE]
I was there that day and the police were certainly vicious. I remember watching the Bournemouth stewards dragging away a Palace fan along the touchline at the end of the match very violently. Someone did tell me afterwards that the reason for the police attack was that they had spotted a Palace fan in the crowd who was barred from attending matches.
CPFC-DIEHARD84
24-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Over the top policing around football matches much?
Frightening new police powers have emerged following the shocking treatment of Stoke City fans prior to their team`s away fixture with Manchester United last Saturday, November 15, 2008.
An estimated 80 Stoke supporters visited the Railway Inn pub in Irlam, Greater Manchester, on their way to Old Trafford. The pub was a natural stop-off point, being on en route to the stadium via the M6 and a local railway station. By all accounts that the Football Supporters` Federation have heard it was a relatively quiet atmosphere, with little singing, never mind trouble.
However, at 1.15pm a number of officers from Greater Manchester Police (GMP) entered the premises and told fans they would not be allowed to leave the pub, would be forcibly taken back to Stoke, and not be allowed to visit Old Trafford.
Each supporter was then issued with a Section 27 from the Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2006. This allows police to move someone from a specified area for a period of up to 48 hours. You do not actually have to have committed any offence for the act to be enforced. Section 27 gives police the powers to move anybody, from any place, at anytime, if they think there`s a possibility an alcohol related offence may be committed.
Stoke City fan Lyndon Edwards, who is making a formal complaint to GMP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission, was one of those in the pub: "I asked for it to be stated on the Section 27 form given that I was not intoxicated and that there was no evidence of any disorder on my part. This was refused so I refused to sign the form. I was told to sign it or I would be arrested. We were then loaded onto buses and had to sit there for what seemed like an eternity."
"There were no football chants being sung at the Railway Inn and no evidence of disorder whatsoever. If there had of been we would have left the pub and made our way elsewhere."
The Stoke supporters were then driven back in convoy to Stoke city centre, regardless of whether this was actually where they were from, without compensation of any sort.
"I have spoken to a number of Stoke fans who were there and I am quite satisfied that they did absolutely nothing wrong, but they end being hauled back to Stoke against their will and missing the game," said Malcolm Clarke, chair of the FSF and a Stoke City fan.
"They were treated very badly by the Greater Manchester Police. This new law gives the police a great deal of instant power which can severely affect the basic civil rights of football supporters, if they happen to be in the wrong pub or on the wrong train at the wrong time.
"If the police had any evidence that the people in that pub included some risk supporters, or people with banning orders, they should have taken appropriate action against those people alone. There can be no excuse for taking this draconian action against ordinary innocent supporters who happened to be using the same pub."
"We are most concerned about how it is being used, and will be taking this up at the highest level."
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Maidstoned Eagle
24-11-2008, 03:48 PM
This one Pedro? :D :D
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No. :(
AJ's right boot
24-11-2008, 04:01 PM
was dealt a big blow at Swindon away a couple of seasons ago (just before we went up) when I asked the way to the station off some guys behind. They told me to "F*CK OFF" then smacked my mate in the face. Being the hard lunatics we are, we scattered. I came across a Policeman and told him of the incident to which he replied....
"My best advice is to F*UCK OFF back to South London you Palace scum!"
PR at it's best.
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