View Full Version : Forsell forsale?
I have been reading extensively about the current Chelsea situation so I can gloat about Rix anyway one thing that is becomming clear is that there is going to be a massive clearout of Chelsea playing staff over the forthcoming weeks.
The percieved knowledge is that it is the first team will lose most players however there is an indication that other players could be effcted.
So will Forsell be available? I think so:
He would cost around 2m and his salary would probably be around 4-5k a week
The question is would we want him as a permenant fixture at Selhurst park? Have we not seen the best of this underachiever yet?
Views?
James Verrinder
20-09-2000, 02:05 PM
I think that we should concentrate on getting a more experienced forward who can head the ball. He hasnt really done anyhing this season (apart from score last night), although I would like to see how he plays alongside someone like Booth or Shipperley. I think there would be a huge auction for him if Chelsea decided to sell him and bigger clubs would come in for him.
RUSSELL
20-09-2000, 02:15 PM
I don't think they can sell him to anyone else whilst he's on loan to us.
SE .Kent
20-09-2000, 02:20 PM
have to dis- gree Forsell is still only 19 ( I think)and ok lacks physical presence ,but that will come with age . Shipperly on the other is a forward who has reached his potential - an ok first division forward - but three million never!
northernsouler
20-09-2000, 03:14 PM
I wounuld buy. But Smith's not convinced.
I think he'd be a great buy. Could be a very shrewd investment.
walderslade eagle
20-09-2000, 03:35 PM
I think he's a natural talent, and we are playing him out of position. He's not a natural finisher and is probably under undue pressure to score goals and for a 19 year old that may be too much. i think we should buy him and give him more of a playmaking role instead of a goal scoring one.
We should definitely sign him. The kid has got real class he just needs to toughen up a bit and get stuck in a bit more. as has been said above he is only 19 and will obviously get better.
Jaffa
20-09-2000, 05:25 PM
Forsell is a top player and we should move quickly to secure him now.
He may still be struggling a bit to find the onion bag, but that is consistent with all of our strikers. I feel with the quality of ball Pollock delivered yesterday, and also a big man to knock the ball down to him, then Forsell would prosper.
Buy him now before England vs Finland brings him to the forefront of everyones attentions. Id hate for him to goto Clowntown or Foolham.
wedgetail
20-09-2000, 05:28 PM
The question is will Forssell change? Does he actually have it in him to turn his ability into something worthwhile?
Now if we could only graft McKenzie's attitude on to Forssell or Forssell's talent on to McKenzie
Baloo
20-09-2000, 05:36 PM
As "an investment for the future", he's a worthwhile acquisition - BUT - we don't want to spend £2 million-ish on investments for the future, as we expect immediate return on capital - ie, goals.
I agree Forsell MIGHT develop into a goal-machine, but I would rather let someone else take that risk for the £2 million price tag.
In the immediate term, we should spend our moeny on a proven goalscorer.
I think 2m is well over the top. Lets try with 500k and see what happens?
Chorley Boy
20-09-2000, 08:36 PM
At least McKenzie can jump for headers!
Certainly this white man can't jump!
Eagle
21-09-2000, 12:08 AM
I do like Forssell and think he would be a good investment as he will end-up being a quality striker and will say he took his goal very well.
To be honest though, does Claudio Ranieri even know who Forssell is?
I agree with Alan's comments totally. I am unsure of him too...but I think we should buy him if we can get him for £1,000,000 and no more.
He is very good with the ball at his feet and WILL learn when to pass/shoot. With that skill alone he will be very good. Heading would be a big bonus. If the price is right let's get him, but get him now.
We would have to let a striker (or two) go if we did that. We have too many as it is:
Morisson, McKenzie, Martin, Harris, Kabba, Forsell, Kitson and a few others from the reserves. We need 4 strikers in the first team squad, with another two in the reserves - any more is redundant/a waste of money.
Small number
21-09-2000, 02:16 AM
Were already complaining that we have to many light weight strikers. Then we have some people want to sign Forssell for 2 million who has added nothing to our attack while being on loan. Meaning I would guess we would have nothing to spend on a BIG STRONG striker which is what we really need.
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Like I said, we should only get Forsell if the price is right (£1,000,000 or less). I think he is better than Morisson and McKenzie and will develop into a Premiership striker (although not an amazing one, still an OK one). We do need a big striker to lead the line and I agree that this should be the priority, however if a good deal comes around (as one with Forsell may do given Chelsea's current state) then we should take it. Having Forsell, Morisson, McKenzie and A N Other will be an nice (if not amazing) strike force.
I don't want to give up on McKenzie just yet, as his recent performances have been good. However I doubt that he or Morisson will ever develop into being what we want. I would like Morisson and ideally another quality striker on the bench, but for the time being McKenzie will do OK.
We should aim to have a squad of about 27 players if you ask me: Two complete teams in terms of position (cover for ever part of the pitch) and a few more to make sure we have the depth. At the moment we have about 31/32 players. I have said it before and I will say it again, we should clear out any of the deadwood that will not make it to an acceptable standard. This refers to both current seniors and the less able youngsters (i.e. Frampton, Dsane, etc.). Let's get a well balanced squad of players that we wouldn't be afraid to play if we had too.
[This message has been edited by Burr (edited 21 September 2000).]
arussell
21-09-2000, 03:46 AM
Who says Dsane is less able Burr ? - he's been playing well lately in a variety of positions and Frampton's done nothing wrong either.
As for players that we should get rid of well I have my opinions on that - formed by watching both the two teams (first and reserve).
Chorley Boy
21-09-2000, 04:34 AM
Let's give him a contract, but suspend it a foot or two higher than he can reach. Then tell him it's his as long as he can jump and get it.
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(in other words, no chance)
arussell
21-09-2000, 04:44 AM
Tricky Dave - very tricky.
There's no doubt he has talent - BUT at least for us in the first divison - he is not willing to put himself about, chase or tackle, or fight to win a ball. He displays
a lack of interest or any grit.
And every game there are half a dozen situations where he could get the ball if he went the extra two yards or so ... but doesn't.
I'm undecided. Can he take penalties !?
Originally posted by arussell:
Who says Dsane is less able Burr ? - he's been playing well lately in a variety of positions and Frampton's done nothing wrong either.
Hmm...well you are in a much better position to comment, but I don't think I have ever heard the words 'Frampton' and 'good' linked together. As for Dsane, well I put his name forward as I have never heard anything good about him from a reserve reports. He doesn't sound like one of our standout players, but he may be OK I guess.
As for players that we should get rid of well I have my opinions on that - formed by watching both the two teams (first and reserve).
Well please let us know! As I have told you in the past I think our squad is too big. I have detailed how many I think we should have. For me we have too many central defenders and too many strikers. The defence needs the same number of players but more balance and the strikers need pruning.
Forsell (loan at the moment);
Kitson (loan at the moment);
Morisson;
McKenzie;
Harris (far more a striker than a defender);
Martin;
Sharpling;
Kabba;
and Dsane! It's INSANE I tell you!
Even without the two loan players we have 7 strikers and I think that that is FAR too many. Nine overall is just mad. This same scenario can be repeated for the central defender berth:
Fan;
Ruddock;
Linighan;
Woozley;
Hibburt;
Hankin;
and Boardman!
That doesn't include Harris (who can play there) or Austin, who I will count as a right back.
Now being 'nice' and saying that Linighan will perhaps leave at the end of this season means we still have 6 central defenders, which one could argue is 1-2 too many. With Linighan we have 7! There are only two positions up for grabs with a place on the bench and a few in the reserves (which may well include the one on the first team bench anyway).
Whatever way you look at it we have too many strikers and too many central defenders. Some may be a little versatile, but those are their best positions. If I were Alan Smith I would assess who I thought was not going to make the first division grade and get rid of them. We need a quality squad with a successful attitude as opposed to a collection of hopeless youngsters and old has beens (harsh but trying to get a point across).
[This message has been edited by Burr (edited 21 September 2000).]
Baloo
21-09-2000, 12:36 PM
Burr, with respect, I disagree with your opinion - what you are talking about is killing off our youth team. The Palace v. Leeds thread talks about our youth players never making the grade with us, well, one way to ensure that is to get rid of all of them!
The players you nominate for the chop are youngsters who, with some good coaching, may turn into future Palace stars.
As for Linighan, his experience is exactly what the youngsters need to learn from.
If we can afford to keep a squad of 32, then we should do so.
brighton_eagle
21-09-2000, 01:22 PM
Agreed Baloo, and I'm sure the young players aren't on massive contracts!! WE don't NEED to sell any of them. We aren't skint anymore!! I understand that we may have too many strikers, and defenders for the positions available, but an injury crisis could mean we will be glad to have them. Also, most of them ARE young players, so why not keep hold of them and see how they develop. I feel that is an area where Smith knows what he is doing.
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Beanie
21-09-2000, 05:31 PM
IS our squad really that much oversize? I know that looking on the back of the programme it seems to be - but I think that we made a mistake last year giving out so many squad numbers (poor old Jolly stuck with 31 all season!)and we've done it again this year. Several of those didn't play last year, and are even less likely to this year. If we'd only given our 20 or so, plus some new signings we'd be at about 24 and I don't think we'd even think about it, instead I make Kolinka no 35. We can add others later if needed. If we can afford the players keep them - but at the Open Day I seem to remember Smith saying he'd look at the squad for a couple of months before letting anybody go, so perhap the time has not yet come.
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Top Eagle
21-09-2000, 05:32 PM
A three points I agree with:
1) Buy Forsell if the price is right.
2) He would not want to come permanently
3) He does not put himself about
I think the 1st is self explanatory, if he wants to come and on offer for £1m now, then I would take him, if it gets to January I think the price will go up considerably.
As for 2nd point, he has shown signs that he likes it here by signing a new lease term, however if struggling at Palace (which is all he has seen at selhurst so far) is all he has to look forward to I am not so sure he would be so eager to sign long term. Remember he is not just doing this for us, he is doing it for himself, a means to an end.
3rd point runs on from above, the last thing he will want is an injury which would obviously affect his overall future, I am sure that if a big money deal was offered, Palace and Chelsea would not really be able to stop him leaving, an injury though is obviously going to take him out of the shop window which is where he feels he needs to be.
Like I said I would take him if he wants to come, I think that would settle him and you would probably see a lot more blood sweat and tears from him. A good talent but is still raw, Smith could use his Youth Team experience in bringing him on a few steps.
arussell
21-09-2000, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Burr:
Well please let us know! As I have told you in the past I think our squad is too
I might tell you later http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif
Thing is - the club has it's own ideas on this too - and our opinions might not be the same.
Sandowneagle
22-09-2000, 02:05 AM
A little bit of gossip that I got from a Premiership player yesterday -
"Forsells agent is phoning around lots of clubs saying that Mikael is available for £3m. Palace have said no, as have Charlton and Bolton." He finished by saying don't be surprised to see him go abroad.
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Fat Andy
22-09-2000, 04:09 AM
Highly likely that Forsell wouldn't want to joing us on a pemanent basis.
lightweight
22-09-2000, 02:15 PM
do we get first refusal? for 3 million - that's way too much - but about a million then I think so - he's only 19 and already an international and undoubtedly will improve - and he's come back to us on loan so maybe he'd want to stay?
we shall see.Thing is - the club has it's own ideas on this too - and our opinions might not be the same.
isn't that the whole point of these boards? when has having a different opinion to the club ever stopped people posting!
arussell
22-09-2000, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by lightweight:
isn't that the whole point of these boards? when has having a different opinion to the club ever stopped people posting!
? - you're totally misunderstanding the point here - did I say anything like that ?
The club will soon be looking to get rid of some players - unfortunately I don't think they'll be the right ones, or the ones that most of us might think.
Beanie
22-09-2000, 05:24 PM
Anybody know the rules? Can Chelsea sell Forsell to another club having agreed a year loan with us? If so we may need to consider making a move, or finally deciding no - but if not why not wait a little longer?
wedgetail
22-09-2000, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by arussell:
The club will soon be looking to get rid of some players - unfortunately I don't think they'll be the right ones, or the ones that most of us might think.
Come on give us a a hint, you know you want to ;-)
arussell
22-09-2000, 07:41 PM
Oh I couldn't possibly ... it's .... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/wink.gif
Men At Work
22-09-2000, 07:57 PM
I know! I know! Listen carefully, I will say this only once. My exclusive inside information is that it is a male who has a vowel in his name.
Tim, how's my job application for investigative reporter on 'The Advertiser' coming along?
Beanie
22-09-2000, 08:44 PM
I hear a rumour that there's an outside chance that some possibly might not be English as well (although they could be)
Long Shanks
23-09-2000, 04:15 AM
If Forsell is willing I think we should be prepared to spend up to £2M on him. I realise he has not set the world or Selhurst alight as yet but I feel that with the right partner (ie. Mr Big Man) alongside him we could see him hit the net (1 in 2/3 goals a game) regularly.
I actually saw him pass to Bill after coming on as sub v. Barnsley!!
Eagle
23-09-2000, 04:20 AM
There's only 3 players that i can think of who aren't english in our team and they are:
Kolinko - We've only just signed him
Zhiyi - You can't say we're gonna sell him
Forssell - He's only on-loan anyway.
Small number
25-09-2000, 10:16 PM
Why Smith, Fullarton and Martin?
Martin is a very good player, Smith is a very good player where as Austin is STILL useless. and Fullarton is a battler which is what we still need as we seem to have the wrong attitude at Palace at the moment.
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Daddy Long
26-09-2000, 04:05 AM
Hopefully they are looking to ship out Fullarton, Smith, Martin, Digby.
Originally posted by Small number:
Why Smith, Fullarton and Martin?
Martin is a very good player, Smith is a very good player where as Austin is STILL useless. and Fullarton is a battler which is what we still need as we seem to have the wrong attitude at Palace at the moment.
Martin is average and has never looked like a first team striker. He has time though and I agree we shouldn't get rid of him yet. I agree about Fullarton, he is a battler and a useful option to keep on the bench.
Smith, however, is pants. Apart from a few good games here and there and a little run of good form last year, he has been a liability at the back. Austin on the other hand has actually got better and recently has played so well at right back that Smith will never get another look in. I wouldn't get rid of him either, but I do disagree about your assessment of him.
As to why anyone would want to get rid of Digby, that baffles me. The guy has done well for us in goal and won't be on a huge wage. MUCH better to let Gregg go.
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Eddie McGoldrick's tash
29-09-2000, 05:48 AM
The question for me is can we afford not to buy Forssell? He's been our best striker this year - I know he hasn't been fantastic but take him and Kitson away and we would have an extremely poor strike force! Clinton's form has been awful and Leon simply can't finish. Maybe we do have too many strikers but what's important is that we have too many POOR strikers!
Get in a big striker and i'd prefer to make Forssell his partner than Morrison!
arussell
29-09-2000, 08:56 PM
I wouldn't want to get rid of Martin yet.
He only just returned from injury last week and had a 10-15 spell as a sub in the reserve game.
Be interesting to watch and see if he does better under the new coaching team - he has potential but I'm not sure he'll ever fully realise it.
Holmesdale Block C
29-09-2000, 10:03 PM
BUY Forsell, (great potential)
KEEP McKenzie, (great game vs. Barnsley,good to have on the bench)
SELL MORRISON (so so so overated!)
And as for Mullins............... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/redface.gif. http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/redface.gif....
Look out for Shipperly as a possible re-signing!
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