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DaveP
21-08-2009, 07:38 AM
Just a theory really and to see what everybody else's thoughts would be on this.

It's looking more likely now that the impending takeover of Birmingham City by Carson Yeung will take place very soon meaning David Gold would leave Birmingham City.

Now in the past it has been reported that he has been linked with a takeover of West Ham once they left Birmingham but that has alwayd been dis-regarged.

David still lives local to the area of Palace and remember speaking to him a few years back and he always had good things to say about Palace despite the apparent relationship problems they had with Simon Jordan.

Now once the takeover of Birmingham is complete does anyone feel that David Gold may well be interested in purchasing Palace of Simon Jordan.

Thoughts???

Big Gav
21-08-2009, 07:51 AM
I've also thought this might happen, don't know if Jordan would sell to him though

DaveTuttles
21-08-2009, 07:53 AM
Read a report the other day that both him and DS are Hammers fans and they may buy them instead.

DG does live in Caterham though but has a helipad so travelling isnt a problem for him!!!!

Jim Cannon
21-08-2009, 07:54 AM
SJ has always maintained he would only sell to someone who had the interests of the club at heart. Whatever you think about Gold after poaching Flatnose, he's done alright at Birmingham, but isn't he a WetSham fan though?

DaveP
21-08-2009, 07:54 AM
If Jordan can get the money that he is asking he will sell to anyone, be it Ron Noades or David Gold!!!

cdm61
21-08-2009, 08:03 AM
No one is going to buy Palace at the current asking price - not even porn merchants

pedro
21-08-2009, 08:10 AM
I think SJ would rather impale himself on one of David Gold's dildos than sell to the poor Jewish boy who has done good. :D

Harry Holmesdale
21-08-2009, 08:29 AM
If they sell Brum then there is no doubt Gold will go for West Ham.

The current West Ham owners are only 'caretakers' until a buyer can be found

BaldEagle96
21-08-2009, 08:31 AM
Would we get Karen Brady as well?

Maximus Dowieus
21-08-2009, 08:35 AM
I think SJ would rather impale himself on one of David Gold's dildos than sell to the poor Jewish boy who has done good. :D

Yes indeed. LOL. One of our glorious leaders famous remarks. Hmmm. We'll see... (relative) beggars cant be choosers can they? Its not like they are queuing up to buy the club.

I dont think it matters a fig what football club they support! If they have put their money into the business they will want it to succeed irrespective of which team they follow. Having an owner who is Palace has hardly been beneficial for us has it? Gold seems to have managed Birmingham well with his cohorts, this is clearly demonstrated by their success on the field.

The Bishop
21-08-2009, 08:38 AM
Just a theory really and to see what everybody else's thoughts would be on this.

It's looking more likely now that the impending takeover of Birmingham City by Carson Yeung will take place very soon meaning David Gold would leave Birmingham City.

Now in the past it has been reported that he has been linked with a takeover of West Ham once they left Birmingham but that has alwayd been dis-regarged.

David still lives local to the area of Palace and remember speaking to him a few years back and he always had good things to say about Palace despite the apparent relationship problems they had with Simon Jordan.

Now once the takeover of Birmingham is complete does anyone feel that David Gold may well be interested in purchasing Palace of Simon Jordan.

Thoughts???

My gut feeling is that David Gold and David Sullivan will group together to buy West Ham United. Feel it is highly unlikely he would ever want to buy Palace. That, and the fact that Simon Jordan dislikes Gold.

ANDYEAGLE
21-08-2009, 08:40 AM
I think David Gold could be interested in us. Although he is a West Ham fan he is local in Caterham. Forgetting the porn jibes he is a shrewd businessman with significant wealth.
Ideal person to take over at Palace,but being a business man he would probably wait untill he can get us for a fraction of what SJ wants.
Love to see it.

TC EAGLE
21-08-2009, 08:44 AM
I think Mr Noades is quietlty and patiently waiting in the wings waiting for Jordan to Panic and take silly money for the club at which point Noades will make a grand entrance and buy the club back. Altonwood buy back the ground and were back to square one again.

pauldrulez
21-08-2009, 08:44 AM
Do you reckon a player would get banned if he put a gimp mask on after he scored in celebration of Gold taking over?

The Bishop
21-08-2009, 08:47 AM
I think Mr Noades is quietlty and patiently waiting in the wings waiting for Jordan to Panic and take silly money for the club at which point Noades will make a grand entrance and buy the club back. Altonwood buy back the ground and were back to square one again.

I don't think Noades would ever come back to Palace. He knows he's unpopular with the fans and probably wouldn't want the hassle.

Shipsisourking
21-08-2009, 08:48 AM
I was having a chat with a brum fan about this yesterday, he doesnt want to see the porn people leave and is worried. as much as a takeover by them at our club would be great, as stated before they are hammers fans and if they do reinvest their money in football i cannot see them buying palace.

Chris K
21-08-2009, 08:49 AM
Would we get Karen Brady as well?

Of course, everybody gets a bit of Karen Brady

Sandowneagle
21-08-2009, 09:00 AM
The rumour of Gold and Palace has come up before on other threads and I know of 1 person who is well connected with Palace who has said there is no smoke....

I personally have no idea, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't buy Palace, then again, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't have bought Birmingham. It is therefore probably a total business decision, the question therefore is does Gold or anybody else think they can make money out of Palace.

Making money out of Palace.....not too many have done that.

TheCharmer
21-08-2009, 09:08 AM
and the fact he supports West Ham, he s done little at birmingham to make me think he s a better bet than SJ

Stellavista
21-08-2009, 09:24 AM
and the fact he supports West Ham, he s done little at birmingham to make me think he s a better bet than SJ

You're right.
All he's done is redevelop the ground, increase the gates, improve the team and get them a few stints in the Premiership.
Oh, and make them attractive to potential investors.
Not much......

DE - Glad All Over
21-08-2009, 09:39 AM
Swap SJ for a porn ganster - we are moving in the right direction then...

Ardent
21-08-2009, 09:40 AM
The rumour of Gold and Palace has come up before on other threads and I know of 1 person who is well connected with Palace who has said there is no smoke....

I personally have no idea, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't buy Palace, then again, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't have bought Birmingham. It is therefore probably a total business decision, the question therefore is does Gold or anybody else think they can make money out of Palace.

Making money out of Palace.....not too many have done that.

Bloye, Noades, Venables to name a few. Numerically not many but they have taken substantial enough sums to have seriously jeopardised the future of the club.

Celestial Empire
21-08-2009, 10:06 AM
I doubt Gold will invest with Sullivan again. Seems to be a bit of tension there, and Sullivan has always said he wants out of football whereas Gold is more of an enthusiast.
West Ham would probably cost too much for an individual investor.
Palace is local to Gold, "Palace, (is) one of those charismatic, ardently-supported clubs it is impossible not to have a soft spot for" (in the immortal words of Henry Winter), And SJ's pride and joy, the academy, is surely the most attractive and satisfying part of owning a footy club for the true enthusiast.

So, David Gold ? Who knows. :)

Tony
21-08-2009, 10:15 AM
You're right.
All he's done is redevelop the ground, increase the gates, improve the team and get them a few stints in the Premiership.
Oh, and make them attractive to potential investors.
Not much......

The kind of job they've done for Birmingham is just the kind of thing we need for Palace. Brum used to be a right state, a team we'd regularly hammer and St Andrews was literally a rubbish dump. Gold, Sullivan and Brady arrived in 1992; they took the best part of ten years to actually get promoted but they've established the club pretty firmly as one you expect to see in the Premiership or at the very top of the Championship.

In the last 15 years, while we've been hamstrung by lack of investment and the nightmare surrounding stadium ownership, they have rebuilt and revitalised Birmingham, who are just one of a number of clubs who have passed us by.

My main concern would be that Gold is knocking on a bit. He's 72 now and we're looking for someone with the energy and vision to spend the next five to ten years giving CPFC the kind of stewardship that many of us feel has been lacking since Arthur Wait back in the early 70s.

Celestial Empire
21-08-2009, 10:26 AM
The kind of job they've done for Birmingham is just the kind of thing we need for Palace. Brum used to be a right state, a team we'd regularly hammer and St Andrews was literally a rubbish dump. Gold, Sullivan and Brady arrived in 1992; they took the best part of ten years to actually get promoted but they've established the club pretty firmly as one you expect to see in the Premiership or at the very top of the Championship.

In the last 15 years, while we've been hamstrung by lack of investment and the nightmare surrounding stadium ownership, they have rebuilt and revitalised Birmingham, who are just one of a number of clubs who have passed us by.

My main concern would be that Gold is knocking on a bit. He's 72 now and we're looking for someone with the energy and vision to spend the next five to ten years giving CPFC the kind of stewardship that many of us feel has been lacking since Arthur Wait back in the early 70s.

Agree with all of this. Maybe Gold would appoint a very competent and energetic CEO (like Brady), to lighten the load.

PhyshtaMagishta
21-08-2009, 10:33 AM
Do you reckon a player would get banned if he put a gimp mask on after he scored in celebration of Gold taking over?

depends if it was made by his companyor not

GEO1982
21-08-2009, 10:38 AM
If Jordan can get the money that he is asking he will sell to anyone, be it Ron Noades or David Gold!!!

Possibility of a joint bid would be the most likely option i think. They are very good friends.

racehorse-80s
21-08-2009, 10:55 AM
If Gold is interested in Palace i would think he will wait and see if the club enters administration this season before bidding along with any other interested parties.

Sir.S.C Remembered
21-08-2009, 11:29 AM
I don't know how rich Gold is, but surely West Ham would be a big financial purchase for him especially if without teaming up with Sullivan due to reasons mentioned above? Therefore if he still has the football bug Palace would be the obvious choice. I would like to think that SJ would put his personal feelings about the man aside for the sake of the club.

I'm still holding out for Branson!

Vince Hilaire's Afro
21-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Is David Gold still alive?

I thought the police found him in his hotel room with an orange in his mouth, a ligature around his neck, and an enormous plastic penis sticking through his chest.

ANDYEAGLE
21-08-2009, 01:24 PM
I don't know how rich Gold is, but surely West Ham would be a big financial purchase for him especially if without teaming up with Sullivan due to reasons mentioned above? Therefore if he still has the football bug Palace would be the obvious choice. I would like to think that SJ would put his personal feelings about the man aside for the sake of the club.

I'm still holding out for Branson!

In the last rich list the family were valued at 300 million down from 450 million the year before. Whats the odd 150 million matter anyway?
Palace would suit them down to the ground.(And the ground hopefully)

Maximus Dowieus
21-08-2009, 02:22 PM
and the fact he supports West Ham, he s done little at birmingham to make me think he s a better bet than SJ

You are joking right?:rolleyes:

Maximus Dowieus
21-08-2009, 02:23 PM
The kind of job they've done for Birmingham is just the kind of thing we need for Palace. Brum used to be a right state, a team we'd regularly hammer and St Andrews was literally a rubbish dump. Gold, Sullivan and Brady arrived in 1992; they took the best part of ten years to actually get promoted but they've established the club pretty firmly as one you expect to see in the Premiership or at the very top of the Championship.

In the last 15 years, while we've been hamstrung by lack of investment and the nightmare surrounding stadium ownership, they have rebuilt and revitalised Birmingham, who are just one of a number of clubs who have passed us by.

My main concern would be that Gold is knocking on a bit. He's 72 now and we're looking for someone with the energy and vision to spend the next five to ten years giving CPFC the kind of stewardship that many of us feel has been lacking since Arthur Wait back in the early 70s.

Top post and spot on!:p

Maximus Dowieus
21-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Is David Gold still alive?

I thought the police found him in his hotel room with an orange in his mouth, a ligature around his neck, and an enormous plastic penis sticking through his chest.

I suggest thats more likely to be Simon when he sells to Gold!

Celestial Empire
21-08-2009, 02:35 PM
I would like to think that SJ would put his personal feelings about the man aside for the sake of the club.


SJ has had a bit of rough banter with David Gold, but they paid the Bruce compensation, we have done business with them since, and I'm sure SJ has no problem with Gold - they are both footy people. I think SJ actually gets on pretty well with Ms Brady.

Tony
21-08-2009, 03:26 PM
I wonder if Gold and Jordan could work together?

Bit like the Pet Shop Boys: "I've got the brains, you've got the looks (and nicer hair than Karen's)... let's make lots of enemies."

GodstoneEagle
21-08-2009, 04:17 PM
The rumour of Gold and Palace has come up before on other threads and I know of 1 person who is well connected with Palace who has said there is no smoke....

I personally have no idea, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't buy Palace, then again, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't have bought Birmingham. It is therefore probably a total business decision, the question therefore is does Gold or anybody else think they can make money out of Palace.

Making money out of Palace.....not too many have done that.
I think the fact is that there is money-making potential here. The bad news being that we need to go into administration first.

Woodside_CP
21-08-2009, 04:23 PM
and the fact he supports West Ham, he s done little at birmingham to make me think he s a better bet than SJ
I'm a fan of jordan and appreciate what he has done for the club, but with him disinterested and wanting out, we're stagnating. He has taken us as far as he can and if david gold buys and invests in the club i would welcome his arrival. With a injection of a bit of cash and with warnock in charge we're a good bet for promotion. I just don't think it'll happen under jordan. As for Noades returning, no thanks. He might own the ground and he might run the club well, but the old miser won't put his hand in his pocket like i reckon gold would.

Dorking .Eagle
21-08-2009, 06:08 PM
David Gold owns the original FA Cup trophy - would be nice to reunite that with our club (whose origins lie at a former Final Venue)

Crunchie
21-08-2009, 06:30 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/brighton/7029897.stm

His opinon may have changed in the last 2 years, but if he can take over that would be brilliant news.

Ralph Gold's name has been mentioned in the recent past.

Still doubt anyone would pay anything like what SJ wants though

Tony
21-08-2009, 08:34 PM
If Gold is interested in Palace i would think he will wait and see if the club enters administration this season before bidding along with any other interested parties.

I know that sounds likely and there is a certain logic to it, but I wonder it if will actually turn out that way?

Aside from clearing debts and the chance to acquire the club at a relatively low price, there must be disadvantages to buying us out of administration instead of as a going concern.

In Palace's case it may well further cloud the stadium issue, and there's also a danger of a buyer standing back and seeing a reasonably decent operation on the playing side wrecked (something that could prove more costly to put back together). I can't see the logic in any suitors watching Simon Jordan sell off our young talent bit by bit to try to stay afloat only for them to then come in and have to lavish more money on restoring the squad. There's also the perhaps lesser consideration of the ten point penalty.

As it would appear that Jordan has guarantees that make administration an option of last resort for him, I would be surprised if he isn't trying to find other ways out. No doubt it's easier said than done, but sometimes you almost want to jump up and down and scream at people to come and buy us.

We've been told there's a consortium out there somewhere, we've heard several names loosely mentioned, including the Gold brothers. Palace is a big operation to be run by a sole owner, and when you look at Birmingham, Gold is chairman with Sullivan as co-owner and Karen Brady as MD. I would have thought that some kind of partnership along those lines, possibly involving a variety of backers, would make more sense than the one-man-band model that we've relied on for far too long.

gold76
21-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Rumours that I'm going to buy palace are alas unfounded

;)

Well I might do if I win the euro millions!

he's got quite a snazzy little website, was going to send a cheeky e-mail & ask him, but no direct e-mail, only pr people

http://davidgold.co.uk/home.html

Jim Cannon
21-08-2009, 08:44 PM
David Gold owns the original FA Cup trophy - would be nice to reunite that with our club (whose origins lie at a former Final Venue)
I believe he bought it with his own money and let the FA put it on display in their museum.

GodstoneEagle
21-08-2009, 08:49 PM
As always Tony, a good post. I do disagree though. Owners tend to prefer doing it their own way, bringing in new managers, directors, staff and players. I feel that though they'd appreciate the value of Clyne, Moses etc. It would be better in their interests to pick up a club fresh from administration as it would save them a decent amount and give them the opportunity to make it their own.

Wholly agree with your last paragraph.

orp pisshead1
21-08-2009, 11:05 PM
Can't one of the more clever bbs'rs dig up the interview he did with the addy a few years a go? am sure he didn't rule out being interested in palace at some stage.

orp pisshead1
21-08-2009, 11:09 PM
The rumour of Gold and Palace has come up before on other threads and I know of 1 person who is well connected with Palace who has said there is no smoke....

I personally have no idea, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't buy Palace, then again, if I was in love with West Ham then I wouldn't have bought Birmingham. It is therefore probably a total business decision, the question therefore is does Gold or anybody else think they can make money out of Palace.

Making money out of Palace.....not too many have done that.

I think they could, lets be honest they have done a good job at brum despite their relative small crowds. Its all about improving the marketing at palace, the support IS there its getting them in the ground thats the challenge imo.

I realise the end of post contradicts the first bit but i genuinely believe we do have the support to be successfull.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
21-08-2009, 11:37 PM
I know that sounds likely and there is a certain logic to it, but I wonder it if will actually turn out that way?

Aside from clearing debts and the chance to acquire the club at a relatively low price, there must be disadvantages to buying us out of administration instead of as a going concern.

In Palace's case it may well further cloud the stadium issue, and there's also a danger of a buyer standing back and seeing a reasonably decent operation on the playing side wrecked (something that could prove more costly to put back together). I can't see the logic in any suitors watching Simon Jordan sell off our young talent bit by bit to try to stay afloat only for them to then come in and have to lavish more money on restoring the squad. There's also the perhaps lesser consideration of the ten point penalty.

As it would appear that Jordan has guarantees that make administration an option of last resort for him, I would be surprised if he isn't trying to find other ways out. No doubt it's easier said than done, but sometimes you almost want to jump up and down and scream at people to come and buy us.

We've been told there's a consortium out there somewhere, we've heard several names loosely mentioned, including the Gold brothers. Palace is a big operation to be run by a sole owner, and when you look at Birmingham, Gold is chairman with Sullivan as co-owner and Karen Brady as MD. I would have thought that some kind of partnership along those lines, possibly involving a variety of backers, would make more sense than the one-man-band model that we've relied on for far too long.

It is an interesting post, and made me think of a positive angle that I'd never thought of before.

A club in a good area with its own ground would probably attract the kind of football investor the fans don't like - i.e. someone who sees it as a business opportunity, and a possible saleable land asset.

A club like Palace would most likely not interest such an investor, and would only appeal to someone who has interest in the game and progressing up the league.

Therefore, though a buyer might take longer to come along, it would more likely be the kind of buyer the fans would appreciate more.

Of course, it might also mean that no buyer comes along at all....I bet SJ secretly regrets burning so many bridges throughout the game during his tenure as chairman.

Tony
21-08-2009, 11:51 PM
A club in a good area with its own ground would probably attract the kind of football investor the fans don't like - i.e. someone who sees it as a business opportunity, and a possible saleable land asset.

A club like Palace would most likely not interest such an investor, and would only appeal to someone who has interest in the game and progressing up the league.


It would be nice to think so. I wonder what Palace's sale prospectus looks like (I think SW16 girl said there is one). Perhaps the fans should put together a supplementary prospectus that adds to the mere bricks and mortar aspects with a kind of cultural guide to what Palace means and the latent potential that lies within. Might be more tempting to someone with an actual interest in the game.

Vince Hilaire's Afro
21-08-2009, 11:52 PM
It would be nice to think so. I wonder what Palace's sale prospectus looks like (I think SW16 girl said there is one). Perhaps the fans should put together a supplementary prospectus that adds to the mere bricks and mortar aspects with a kind of cultural guide to what Palace means and the latent potential that lies within. Might be more tempting to someone with an actual interest in the game.

Perhaps something like...'we're quite shit, yes. But at least we're not Charlton, Brighton, or Millwall.'

orp pisshead1
22-08-2009, 11:31 AM
Bradys collum in the sun today suggests imo that brum will be sold this time.

JohnA
22-08-2009, 02:52 PM
Just a theory really and to see what everybody else's thoughts would be on this.

It's looking more likely now that the impending takeover of Birmingham City by Carson Yeung will take place very soon meaning David Gold would leave Birmingham City.

Now in the past it has been reported that he has been linked with a takeover of West Ham once they left Birmingham but that has alwayd been dis-regarged.

David still lives local to the area of Palace and remember speaking to him a few years back and he always had good things to say about Palace despite the apparent relationship problems they had with Simon Jordan.

Now once the takeover of Birmingham is complete does anyone feel that David Gold may well be interested in purchasing Palace of Simon Jordan.

Thoughts???

When I saw this Chinese lad was buying Brum I wondered the same thing.
Jordan & the marital aids & dirty book pubklishers don't get on though.

Son of Shacker
22-08-2009, 06:51 PM
would it mean red and blue rampant rabbits in the club shop?

DedBallSpeshlst
22-08-2009, 07:18 PM
he's got quite a snazzy little website

http://davidgold.co.uk/home.html

Click on the link for football and there is a picture of Selhurst Park!

mr.moose
22-08-2009, 09:59 PM
Jordan would probably rather sell to a consortium run by Alan Mullery

Crunchie
19-10-2009, 06:00 PM
It looks like the Sullivan and Gold partnership won't get West Ham if this goes through.

Maybe that's why there are looking at Charlton, amongst others.

If SJ is more sensible about his selling price, it might be his Get Out Of Jail Card.

http://www.westhamonline.net/forum_flat.php?3967292||1||

AN American consortium has launched a 100million to bid to buy troubled West Ham.

The London-based Intermarket Group began negotiations on Friday night and are confident of landing the club in time to hand boss Gianfranco Zola a substantial budget for the January transfer window.

The multinational consortium is made up of wealthy West Ham fans and is led by Intermarket Group chief executive and Wall Street mogul, Jim Bowe.

Bowe is the former head of the New York Board of Trade and is a hugely successful businessman in his own right.

He was recruited specifically to oversee the deal and the group made contact with Andrew Bernhardt, chairman of CB Holdings, the company that runs West Ham.

The bid is being prepared in New York and Bowe said: "My colleagues and I have been approached by the consortium with the aim of buying West Ham in its entirety.

"We are not interested in just taking on the debt, or securing a percentage. We want to get West Ham back on track for the upper echelons of the Premier League.

"We want what the fans want and there is no restriction on us as to how we achieve that aim. We are in the early stages of our discussions with the club. But we are optimistic that we can develop a proposal that will benefit all parties. The best deal is the deal where everyone feels that they've won.

"The consortium comprises West Ham supporters who have made serious money in the City, the United States and elsewhere and who see the potential in the club, its fanbase, academy and playing staff.

"The people involved have the money required, and, more importantly, the right sentiments. They have no interest in interfering with the playing side of things, but they will make money available in the January transfer window.

"They also possess the expertise to see West Ham restructured and organised in a way that will help the club realise its potential. Fortune has been hiding for too long."

A successful bid would bring to an end The Irons tale of woe which has seen the club taken to the brink of administration in the last 18 months after the Icelandic owners suffered in the credit crunch.

Former Birmingham City owners David Sullivan and David Gold made a tentative approach but are looking to get the Hammers on the cheap. Bowe and his consortium have made it clear they are willing to reach a quick agreement to bring back some stability.

A source close to the group said: "Jim is aware there are other people in the market to buy West Ham but Intermarket want to push a deal through as quickly as possible.

"They believe it's vital Gianfranco is given as much support as possible and then be given the appropriate funds to bring in some quality players.These are West Ham fans, people who've had the club at heart for a long time. They want to do something before it's too late."

gold76
19-10-2009, 06:04 PM
something in the currant bun about a Wise/Jiminez takeover of clowns..

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 06:33 PM
For those that missed Martin Samuels column in todays Mail...

Talk of a takeover at West Ham United by David Gold and David Sullivan is looking wide of the mark, with both men balking at the price and the debt. A likelier long-term destination could be Crystal Palace, where Simon Jordan is anxious to sell. Ron Noades, the former Palace chairman, might get involved, too.






I've got to say it:











































He hasn't gone away, you know.

Son of Shacker
19-10-2009, 07:15 PM
something in the currant bun about a Wise/Jiminez takeover of clowns..


that makes me feel sorry for charlton

would wish the little rat faced twat on anyone!

Crunchie
19-10-2009, 07:55 PM
He hasn't gone away, you know.

Shut it Slag! :)

eagle101
19-10-2009, 08:29 PM
For those that missed Martin Samuels column in todays Mail...

Talk of a takeover at West Ham United by David Gold and David Sullivan is looking wide of the mark, with both men balking at the price and the debt. A likelier long-term destination could be Crystal Palace, where Simon Jordan is anxious to sell. Ron Noades, the former Palace chairman, might get involved, too.

Interesting - first time they've been linked with us in the media I think. Wonder if it'll picked up anywhere else.

pedro
19-10-2009, 08:31 PM
Has SJ actually ever said how much he wants for the club ?

Billy Rhino
19-10-2009, 08:43 PM
I know it was a while ago but didn't he mention 40m at one stage?


And he wonders why he hasn't had any buyers......

Crunchie
19-10-2009, 08:48 PM
Has SJ actually ever said how much he wants for the club ?

27M for the club

40M with the ground.

All will be handed over to the new owner debt free.

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 08:52 PM
27M for the club

40M with the ground.

All will be handed over to the new owner debt free.

Good Lord. He's got 2 hopes... no hope and Bob Hope.

New LP
19-10-2009, 08:55 PM
Would love to see Gold and Sullivan involved at Palace, whatever you say about them they know how to build up a mid sized club and make a success of it. Birmingham were dire before they took charge. And if it meant Noades coming back in some sort of totum type role then I'd grudgingly accept that, although please lets not allow him to transfer any club assets over to himself/a company he fronts.

Would point out though, that whilst Samuel is an excellant sports writer he is also a Hammer so he may have a little bit of an agenda in starting such a rumour.

Away Day Eagle
19-10-2009, 08:58 PM
Good Lord. He's got 2 hopes... no hope and Bob Hope.

Jack

England expects.


What ?

Twins? :o :lux:

cdm61
19-10-2009, 08:59 PM
Talk of buying Wet Spam for 100m must be well wide of the mark...the bank that owns them is facing liquidation soon...surely you would wait for that and pick the Whelk munchers up for next to nothing and debt free.

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 09:05 PM
And if it meant Noades coming back in some sort of totum type role then I'd grudgingly accept that, although please lets not allow him to transfer any club assets over to himself/a company he fronts.

I can't see why RGN would ever want to come back. It's not worth the grief and he doesn't need to wedge.

gallery sex god
19-10-2009, 09:08 PM
but everyone needs a second golf club?

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 09:10 PM
Jack

England expects.


What ?

Twins? :o :lux:

This is the best England squad in a generation ADE. I really, REALLY think we can do it this time:

...44 years of hurt.



We're on our way,
We are Ron's twenty-two
Hear the roar,
Of the red, white and blue

This time, more than any other time, this time,
We're going to find a way,
Find a way to get away,
This time, getting it all together

To win them all,
It's what we'll set out to do
We have a dream,
We know you're sharing it too

This time, more than any other time, this time,
We're going to find a way,
Find a way to get away,
This time, getting it all together

We'll get it right
This time, get it right,
This time

It makes you wonder,
It makes you proud
To play for England,
And hear the crowd

As we're marching
On towards victory

This time,
This time

We're on our way,
We are Ron's twenty-two
Hear the roar,
Of the red, white and blue

This time, more than any other time, this time,
We're going to find a way,
Find a way to get away,
This time, getting it all together

We'll get it right
This time, we'll get it right
[repeat to fade]

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 09:16 PM
but everyone needs a second golf club?

I can picture the old Brum regime taking over, but Uncle Ron involved too?

Nah.

Psychokiller
19-10-2009, 09:20 PM
He hasn't gone away, you know.
Are you going to disappear for two years again if that turns out not to be the case? ;)

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 09:25 PM
Are you going to disappear for two years again if that turns out not to be the case? ;)

Everyone should take 2 years off from the BBS now and again, does you the world of good!

Crunchie
19-10-2009, 09:27 PM
Good Lord. He's got 2 hopes... no hope and Bob Hope.

I agree.

He is desperate to get the money back from his guaranteed loans.

But he guaranteed them! (Thank God he did)

However he has to accept he will get little back from that, and the longer this goes on, the more money he will lose.

He wants too much money.

I think he should just cut his losses now, before it gets too much for him and administration is the only choice.

That's my take on it anyway.

GEO1982
19-10-2009, 09:32 PM
I can picture the old Brum regime taking over, but Uncle Ron involved too?

Nah.


Well they are good friends, so who knows, i think there would be a very good chance the Golds would be interested if Jordan wasnt at the helm, think that might have been something to do with a certain comment he once made?!
But still a chance all the same.
Spoke to Uncle Ron earlier in the year and he said to turn palace into a stable club again would take 40m...of course this is all down to varying factors e.g. how much you buy the club for.
Maybe meeting Mr Gold soon so if i get the opportunity i will pose the question.

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 09:33 PM
I agree.

He is desperate to get the money back from his guaranteed loans.

But he guaranteed them? (Thank God he did)

However he has to accept he will get little back from that, and the longer this goes on, the more money he will lose.

He wants too much money.

I think he should just cut his losses now, before it gets too much for him and administration is the only choice.

That's my take on it anyway.

Ad-min-ist-ray-shun is now so commonplace in football that every potential buyer knows it. The closer to the brink they can push a club towards it, the cheaper the asking price becomes.

Simples.

Jack Regan
19-10-2009, 09:36 PM
Spoke to Uncle Ron earlier in the year and he said to turn palace into a stable club again would take 40m

Sounds about right, I can't see him risking his own money though.

If he was appointed Chief Executive and paid a nice bonus to get us promoted however.... Game on.

Tony
19-10-2009, 10:21 PM
Surely there must be some kind of middle ground... Jordan gets x now and maybe gets another x more if and when Palace are back on a sounder financial footing... if we don't get on a sounder financial footing he gets no more or he has to wait for however long it takes.

That way, a potential buyer can get a functioning club for, say, half price, but Simon doesn't lose everything.

Everyone's a winner, Rodney, or is that too sensible/rubbish/not egotastic enough?

It comes back to my original point that Palace on the pitch are not in bad shape (not brilliant but there's something reasonable to build on), why see that wrecked by administration and then have to pay out shed loads to repair the damage?

kolinkins
19-10-2009, 10:22 PM
Could the Trust approach him?

Crunchie
19-10-2009, 10:26 PM
Surely there must be some kind of middle ground... Jordan gets x now and maybe gets another x more if and when Palace are back on a sounder financial footing... if we don't get on a sounder financial footing he gets no more or he has to wait for however long it takes.

That way, a potential buyer can get a functioning club for, say, half price, but Simon doesn't lose everything.

Everyone's a winner, Rodney, or is that too sensible/rubbish/not egotastic enough?

It comes back to my original point that Palace on the pitch are not in bad shape (not brilliant but there's something reasonable to build on), why see that wrecked by administration and then have to pay out shed loads to repair the damage?

At least there's a transfer window now.

-10 points would be very bad obviously and could relegate us, but if it was in febuary, we can't loose our players on the cheap like last time.

However i don't know this for certain, is this right?

Tony
19-10-2009, 10:35 PM
I don't think there's any point, Kolinkins. I'm sure they already know all about Palace and the other possibilities. What could the Trust ask them?

Their decision will based on business potential, I'm sure. I doubt that personalities will come into it much, it will be down to whether the deal is the right one. We can never be totally sure with these things, but I hope there might be something in this... I think they've done a pretty decent job with Birmingham.

Billy Rhino
19-10-2009, 11:13 PM
It's funny how Jordan hates Gold (as he seems to quite a few people) yet a lot of us would be happy to have him here.

SJ really needs to learn to chill out and stop creating enemies everywhere, it's not doing us any good, let alone himself.

If I'm right in thinking, he bought the club, debt-free, for about 8m.
It is now in debt to the tune of 20m+ with assets (i.e. playing staff) of approx 8-10m, meaning he would have to sell for nothing plus still retain approx 10m of the debt just to get out?

Somewhere between a rock and hard place it would seem but he'll have to make the decision soon for everyone's sake.

AJ
19-10-2009, 11:43 PM
27m for the club debt free isn't as bad as some seem to indicate. Noades sold Palace for 19m with about 10m+ in debts = 29m.
SJ may have more luck in reducing the cost to a couple of million with the owners taking on the debt, but, where that would leave Palace, I don't know. When RN took on Palace in 81 with debts, he ended up selling off the better players and eventually the ground(I am not trying to start another debate on RN, just pointing out how the debt was addressed under Noades).
Personally, I think Palace squad is only a few good players away from at least challanging for promotion.

Asagaya_Eagle
20-10-2009, 01:55 AM
The problem with Gold is that he's now 72 years old.

Hedgehog
20-10-2009, 02:40 AM
The problem with Gold is that he's now 72 years old.
As is Ron Noades.... Allegedly (He might be 71)

Asagaya_Eagle
20-10-2009, 05:10 AM
As is Ron Noades.... Allegedly (He might be 71)

Blimey - it would be like Hinge and Bracket

Tony
20-10-2009, 06:08 AM
Or Compo and Clegg... with Karen Brady as Norah Batty.

Asagaya_Eagle
20-10-2009, 06:23 AM
:)

Beanie
20-10-2009, 07:43 AM
I know it was a while ago but didn't he mention 40m at one stage?


And he wonders why he hasn't had any buyers......

That includes the ground (on which SJ would spend 15m first) and clearing all debts. It would be no different to buying the club for 1, as has been done before, but still needing to find 15m to buy the ground (and it is possible that price is only guaranteed toSJ) and still be saddled with the debts (which are mainly to SJ any way). I guess it would depend whether the new owner(s) wanted to spend money up front or to clear the debts gradually.

The bigger problem I think is the feeling that SJ may still be forced to go the adminstration route - and whilst the buyer would still need the 15m for the ground, they'd know that they might well get the rest for about a tenth of it's actual cost. If nothing shifts, I think our position around Christmas could be interesting. If we're on 35+ points I could see SJ going that route. Early enough to ensure the points deduction applies this season and also leaving enough time to get the 30 points we'd still need to stay up. It will cost him a fortune though - but then so is keeping the club afloat on his own.

sydnsteve
20-10-2009, 07:47 AM
The trouble with that route is that the administrators would presumably sell all our decent players, making it very unlikely we would stay up.

nathe
20-10-2009, 07:50 AM
Noades and Gold? Dear God no. The only thing worse would be the Noades bates dream team.

Noades should have nothing more to do with this club.

SE25Eagle
20-10-2009, 08:09 AM
Noades and Gold? Dear God no. The only thing worse would be the Noades bates dream team.

Noades should have nothing more to do with this club.

Lets just go skint and out of business then ay..? :rolleyes:

Jack Regan
20-10-2009, 08:11 AM
Could the Trust approach him?

The Trust are a band of well meaning amateurs who had their 15 minutes of fame 10 years ago.

Simon Jordan is well capable of picking up the phone and calling David Gold directly. If that's too much trouble for him, then he's not serious about selling.

Jack Regan
20-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Lets just go skint and out of business then ay..? :rolleyes:

Took the words right out of my mouth. Palace are in no position to start writing off potential buyers, whether they be Bates, Ridsdale, Gold, or Noades.

nathe
20-10-2009, 08:15 AM
Can we have Gadafi instead?

Gazza2
20-10-2009, 08:19 AM
In the current finanical state the club is in where the long-term future (ie us even having a club to follow) is in serious doubt, we cannot afford to be picky about any potential new owner. The choice, if we r lucky, may come down to a new owner some will not like or no club at all if no new owner is not found soon.

Maidstoned Eagle
20-10-2009, 08:20 AM
Crystal Palace
Crystal Palace
Owned by a pervert, run by a slag
Crystal Palace?

nathe
20-10-2009, 08:22 AM
I suppose if Noades and Gold take over the club could stock Red and Blue dildo with Rons face on them. He has already ****ed us once.

gold76
20-10-2009, 08:54 AM
Can we have Gadafi instead?

That would be a giggle when it came to the fit & proper persons test!

kolinkins
20-10-2009, 08:55 AM
I don't think there's any point, Kolinkins. I'm sure they already know all about Palace and the other possibilities. What could the Trust ask them?

Their decision will based on business potential, I'm sure. I doubt that personalities will come into it much, it will be down to whether the deal is the right one. We can never be totally sure with these things, but I hope there might be something in this... I think they've done a pretty decent job with Birmingham.

It's a situation with 1 ego up against between 1 and 3 egos. A middle-body, like the Trust, could make all the difference. It would also help the Trust no end, if people know that any sale is down to them. Membership could soar.

Tony
20-10-2009, 09:22 AM
Yes, fair point and the Trust played a role in Simon Jordan's original acquisition of the club, so it may well be worth making contact.

Pub Idol
20-10-2009, 10:36 AM
Yes, fair point and the Trust played a role in Simon Jordan's original acquisition of the club, so it may well be worth making contact.

It would definately be worth making contact- If only to rule him/them out.

Beanie
20-10-2009, 10:37 AM
The trouble with that route is that the administrators would presumably sell all our decent players, making it very unlikely we would stay up.
Depends how quickly a new owner is found. They would only do that to fund the day to day running of the club, the old debts would be paid off by the CVA agreed by the new owner.

Crunchie
20-10-2009, 01:26 PM
Can the administrators actually sell players to keep the club going, outside of the transfer Window?

If the answer is no, and the club isn't bought by the end of January, would February be a good time for administration, if it were to occur?

Ardent Eagle Forever
20-10-2009, 07:13 PM
I suppose if Noades and Gold take over the club could stock Red and Blue dildo with Rons face on them. He has already ****ed us once.


Nathe, he f*cked Goldberk. If you had the chance to sell a club without the ground to some cretin like Goldberk, I'm sure that you would do the decent thing? Goldberk deserved to be screwed over.

Don't forget love him or hate him, the most successful time in Palace's history was under Noades. Some people tend to forget that.

I achieved my dream of going to Wembley to see Palace in the FA Cup final when he was in charge.

Jay_Palace
20-10-2009, 07:18 PM
Noades and Gold? Dear God no. The only thing worse would be the Noades bates dream team.

Noades should have nothing more to do with this club.

Dunno why people keep talking about Noades in this context, there's zero incentive for him to return to a club where he is (rightly or wrongly) viewed with contempt by the majority of supporters; not to mention his age and his lack of financial clout to even begin to compete with the big hitters in this division.

SE25Eagle
20-10-2009, 07:31 PM
Don't forget love him or hate him, the most successful time in Palace's history was under Noades. Some people tend to forget that.

I achieved my dream of going to Wembley to see Palace in the FA Cup final when he was in charge.

:p :p :p

dougdeep
20-10-2009, 07:34 PM
If he can't get West Ham expect to see him at Brighton.

chatham_eagle
20-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Still a chance he will stay at Brum, not sure if this affects making an investment in another club, but sounds like he doesn't want to run another one:
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2009/10/20/david-gold-reveals-his-birmingham-city-days-may-not-actually-be-over-97319-24971465/

Crunchie
20-10-2009, 07:46 PM
If he can't get West Ham expect to see him at Brighton.

http://www.thelupussite.com/forum/images/smilies/rotfl.gif

nathe
21-10-2009, 07:02 AM
If he can't get West Ham expect to see him at Brighton.

Selling Dildos?

pedro
21-10-2009, 08:11 AM
Still a chance he will stay at Brum, not sure if this affects making an investment in another club, but sounds like he doesn't want to run another one:
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2009/10/20/david-gold-reveals-his-birmingham-city-days-may-not-actually-be-over-97319-24971465/
Maybe like Ron Noades he has decided that at 72 years of age starting again at a new club and the stresses that may come with it are just not an option. After 12 years at Birmingham it is the better the devil you know and he would rather a 'part time' job that also lets him enjoy life rather than get involved with a 24/7 project that will need all his time and attention whilst turning the said club around and putting it back on a firm footing.

Crunchie
21-10-2009, 12:53 PM
Maybe like Ron Noades he has decided that at 72 years of age starting again at a new club and the stresses that may come with it are just not an option. After 12 years at Birmingham it is the better the devil you know and he would rather a 'part time' job that also lets him enjoy life rather than get involved with a 24/7 project that will need all his time and attention whilst turning the said club around and putting it back on a firm footing.

Some people like Bobby Robson could never give it up

Absolution
21-10-2009, 01:31 PM
If he can't get West Ham expect to see him at Brighton.That wouldn't surprise me, but your Chairman is still quite new to the job?

The Falmer Stadium has to be a big plus for Brighton, although I'm not sure what your training facilities are like? Being in League One isn't the big all and end all, but you would need to steer clear of relegation to be more attractive for Gold. Being the only league side in Sussex should be a big thing.. but sadly it's all Man Utd/Liverpool fans like everywhere in the South East. Bit of a difference to the Midlands.

Boyandy
21-10-2009, 01:41 PM
but you would need to steer clear of relegation to be more attractive for Gold.

Oh well.

pedro
21-10-2009, 02:08 PM
Some people like Bobby Robson could never give it up
There is a big difference between a football man and a business man.