FWL: Season XIV [Archive] - Page 11

Little Fozzie

27-11-2010, 07:45 PM

Yeah, if they would only cost their wages, therefore not incurring an additional charge that you pay if you sign free transfers at other points in the season.

30k and he's yours.

Ah right i see. hmm..oh go on then :)

The Omen

27-11-2010, 08:24 PM

Ah right i see. hmm..oh go on then :)

*shakes head*

What a waste of money! :eek:

Little Fozzie

27-11-2010, 08:29 PM

*shakes head*

What a waste of money! :eek:

Isn't that what you said about kanu, and look what happe...oh wait, forget that :moo:

you wait and see. He'll be banging them in :p

The Omen

27-11-2010, 08:37 PM

Isn't that what you said about kanu, and look what happe...oh wait, forget that :moo:

you wait and see. He'll be banging them in :p

See you soon... in the Championship! ;)

Little Fozzie

27-11-2010, 08:45 PM

Why go there myself when you can just tell me what its like :p

JonProgrammeSeller

27-11-2010, 08:51 PM

Sorry guys, big problems at home involving a landlord, 4 illegal boilers and no heating.... long story!! Won't be on the Xbox tonight but will be on tomorrow night to finish off those fixtures..... been one thing after an other last few days and had been meaning to finish them last night, but had gas board round here til 11pm.

JonProgrammeSeller

27-11-2010, 09:00 PM

I might be able to get on tonight, depends on how I am feeling as I have had carbon monoxide poisoning.

The Omen

27-11-2010, 09:21 PM

I'm the same Jon. Had carbon monoxide leak over a week ago. Still haven't got central heating or hot water... wrong time of year!

JonProgrammeSeller

27-11-2010, 09:26 PM

I'm the same Jon. Had carbon monoxide leak over a week ago. Still haven't got central heating or hot water... wrong time of year!

I know mate, I am still waiting on the HSE to decide on what action they are going to take on the landlord, and when they are going to investigate ours and the other tenants boilers.

I think today is the first time in a while I haven't felt unwell.

PalaceMonkey

27-11-2010, 10:35 PM

Ah! right I forgot about that... ok being cup tied wasn't formally agree so players are free to continue as normal
Boooo BAN PANZER!

ardeo

27-11-2010, 10:46 PM

Busan I'Park will have all games awarded to opponents (3-0) if they are not played by midnight tomorrow night.

As this will effect promotion in Div 1, I think it is only fair that Inter and CSKA have to play a play-off match to decide who goes up.

As for Busan, they could face a heavy fine for the failure to complete fixtures.

I think CSKA should just get the win and come second on goal difference. It's not fair to penalise them for Busan failing to play the game by playing a game with me. I knew I had to beat Pallet by a few goals to give myself a chance for promotion, and was fortunate to win both games as it was, so have no complaints about coming 3rd.

In general think it would be fairer to have a "pools" decision on results rather than statutory losses. Especially if teams not completing fixtures will be penalised financially.

Lydder

27-11-2010, 11:17 PM

Vote Wagner :)

JonProgrammeSeller

28-11-2010, 12:37 AM

I think CSKA should just get the win and come second on goal difference. It's not fair to penalise them for Busan failing to play the game by playing a game with me. I knew I had to beat Pallet by a few goals to give myself a chance for promotion, and was fortunate to win both games as it was, so have no complaints about coming 3rd.

In general think it would be fairer to have a "pools" decision on results rather than statutory losses. Especially if teams not completing fixtures will be penalised financially.

That won't be happening as I shall be on tomorrow night :)

The Omen

28-11-2010, 01:26 AM

In general think it would be fairer to have a "pools" decision on results rather than statutory losses. Especially if teams not completing fixtures will be penalised financially.

IMO a dangerous idea. If I'm going to win by a pools decision, why would I risk actually playing the game?

ardeo

28-11-2010, 05:27 AM

IMO a dangerous idea. If I'm going to win by a pools decision, why would I risk actually playing the game?

Because this a friendly competition and everyone wants to play their games?

scottyboiix

28-11-2010, 08:19 AM

Any gerland cup people on tonight? Sorry I haven't been about. I will be on later so if you see me on then send a message :)

JonProgrammeSeller

28-11-2010, 10:20 AM

I shall be on tonight around about 9pm to finish those games off guys, so anyone who needs to play me I will be there. I will be on til around midnight.

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 10:50 AM

Any Gerland Cup/Champions Cup Group B people about now?

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 12:12 PM

Cmon champ cup B folks!

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 12:25 PM

Daz, when you wanna do our semi final?
I'll be on most eves from 9.30ish

TrusolDaz

28-11-2010, 01:08 PM

Daz, when you wanna do our semi final?
I'll be on most eves from 9.30ish

Let's do it tonight mate if you're about. Gotta play Jon tonight as well, would like to do it as early as possible if that's alright.

Pimmy

28-11-2010, 01:22 PM

Afternoooooon!!
Anyone about from grp b for champions cup games today?

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 02:34 PM

Let's do it tonight mate if you're about. Gotta play Jon tonight as well, would like to do it as early as possible if that's alright.
ok, shall we say 9.30 then?
or 9 if you prefer?

The Omen

28-11-2010, 02:48 PM

Guys, with fixtures finishing tonight (other than FA Cup) I think the transfer window should also close at the same time. So at midnight tonight, the window will close and all outstanding transfers will be rejected.

If you are very upset about it and don't get the deal completed in time, you can resubmit your bid after the draft.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 03:19 PM

When's fa cup final deadline?

TrusolDaz

28-11-2010, 03:24 PM

ok, shall we say 9.30 then?
or 9 if you prefer?
9 would be great Monkey then i can play Jon soon after:p

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 03:46 PM

Ok I'll come on at 9 on the dot :p

The Omen

28-11-2010, 03:59 PM

When's fa cup final deadline?

ASAP

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:15 PM

Looks like we may have an injury generator in place for next season :)

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 04:16 PM

No! Terrible, terrible idea :(

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 04:17 PM

Sorry Jon, after testing Huntelaar, I've decided I don't really want him. Could you reject the bid? Ta muchly.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 04:25 PM

Im not keen on injury generator.
We don't have squads the size of real life ones, and we have comparitively very few fixtures so missing players will have bigger impact.

Also suspensions have been a great source of problems, can't see this would be any different.

What is your argument for including them?
Don't think anyone has asked for it?

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:32 PM

Im not keen on injury generator.
We don't have squads the size of real life ones, and we have comparitively very few fixtures so missing players will have bigger impact.

Also suspensions have been a great source of problems, can't see this would be any different.

What is your argument for including them?
Don't think anyone has asked for it?

Details will be on the website for who is injured and it will say which games the player is missing for. You won't be able to enter the player into the report if he is injured for that game.

I think it will force people to think about squads rather than a first 11 - which most people currently only think about.

I love the idea that someone who could have a star striker upfront could lose him for a couple of games and have to make do with their reserve or sign a quick replacement.

The problem for me was working out if I could have it randomly decide if an injury occurs, who to and what type of injury - and I have just worked out how. :)

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:33 PM

We don't have squads the size of real life ones

That is up to the manager. Nobody is stopping you having a bigger squad than 16.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 04:38 PM

That would certainly favour a manager who hadnt spent much on wages already.

Introducing things like this with very little notice is unfair on others.
Especially if you've been thinking about it for a while, whereas it's a surprise for us

I do understand your reasons for wanting to put it in, but saying you're going to do it a few days before the next season starts is wrong imo

I think introducing cuptied players for next season would be a good way of easing people into not having their full squad to play with.
It's not hard to know which players you've bought and if theyve played in fa cup before.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:48 PM

Just so everyone is aware, this is my to do list (not in any particular order, but I do have them labelled for certain levels of urgency):

Features:
Player values
Add news story
Add news list
History Page
Records Page
Team star rating
Add injury generator
Manager achievements
Front page bids box
Email bids

Admin tools:
Add new manager/team
Add new competitions

Bugs:
Graphic upload not working on some browsers

I have mentioned it a few times...

(I'm not sure why you seem to be hinting I have prepared my team for this... I have a low wage first team and a crap bench... I would really suffer if I lost someone like Distin, Keirrison or Chantome)

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:52 PM

I think introducing cuptied players for next season would be a good way of easing people into not having their full squad to play with.
It's not hard to know which players you've bought and if theyve played in fa cup before.

Not something the website can handle though I'm afraid so it just relies on people remembering.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 04:56 PM

I'm not hinting you've done it on purpose, but you would find it easiest to make your squad larger at short notice.
Whereas someone like Kardan might struggle

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:56 PM

Anyway, just humour me for the moment

What do people think of the injury list? Anything missing in particular that should be in there. How about the number of games missed?

Severe injuries are obviously a lot less likely to happen compared to less severe ones and any injury at all is set to only happen 10% of the time.

injury games_out severity
Pulled Hamstring 1 1
Pulled Calf Muscle 1 1
Back Strain 1 1
Abdominal Strain 1 1
Groin Strain 2 1
Sprained Ankle 2 2
Hip Injury 2 2
Torn Hamstring 3 3
Broken Wrist 3 3
Torn Calf Muscle 2 3
Knee Ligament Damage 3 3
Dislocated Shoulder 2 3
Shin Splints 2 3
Broken Leg 5 4
Torn Knee Cartilage 4 4
Broken Shoulder 4 4
Broken Ankle 4 4

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 04:57 PM

Not something the website can handle though I'm afraid so it just relies on people remembering.

It's more complicated, again.

If you're certain you want to implement it, could we make releasing players free for a short time?

The Omen

28-11-2010, 04:59 PM

It's more complicated, again.

If you're certain you want to implement it, could we make releasing players free for a short time?

:confused:

It is free...

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 05:00 PM

How would it work?
Run it once at beginning of season?
Every week?

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 05:03 PM

:confused:

It is free...

Sorry; I meant signing free agents :D

The Omen

28-11-2010, 05:04 PM

Would run after you enter your score in. A new screen would come up informing you of any injuries and how long players are out for. (I'm not sure whether the website should say which games the player misses or whether it should just be the next games you play)

At the moment you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting an injury (I was thinking a maximum of 3 injuries in 1 game - but obviously the chances of that happening are very, very unlikely).

Once it has decided there is an injury, it randomly selects a player in your squad who played and then runs a chance on how bad the injury is (severity 4s are 4 times less likely than a severity 1 injury). It then randomly selects an injury in that severity group.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 05:06 PM

The only change it would effect is that I think all players will have to enter a game that has been played BEFORE playing another match.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 05:17 PM

Just testing it. Seems to work ok imo... not too many injuries and hardly any severe ones

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 05:18 PM

Not something the website can handle though I'm afraid so it just relies on people remembering.
How hard can it be to remember?
It's not something that changes over the season, and would have to be taken into account when bidding.
You can always check if a player played in a cup game by looking at the clubs previous fixtures

scottyboiix

28-11-2010, 05:21 PM

Any gerland cup guys on?

Lydder

28-11-2010, 05:27 PM

i'll come on dude

Panzer

28-11-2010, 05:33 PM

The only change it would effect is that I think all players will have to enter a game that has been played BEFORE playing another match.
& that won't happen

Panzer

28-11-2010, 05:37 PM

I'm undecided about injuries! Part of me says, I'm an unlucky sod & would get 3 injuries per game leading to 5 games out for each player meaning I would be unable to field a team from the 2nd game on, however I do like the idea of OTHERS getting them :D

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 05:50 PM

Whatever the pros and cons, I think it is too big a change to announce with this short notice.

Having something on a to do list is not the same as definitely announcing that something will be happening next season.
Was it discussed with the admins?

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 05:51 PM

Any Group B/Gerland Cup guys on?

Lydder

28-11-2010, 06:08 PM

& that won't happen

True, but that is because there is no reason to enter a result before playing another game as it stands at the mo, it would just mean some players will have to change gaming habits. I'm all for it, anything to promote squads over starting 11 is a good thing. (in saying that though suspensions is the same really and i moaned about that!)
So I am now a bit split on it! I like the idea in principle but i also like simplier the better!

1 question Omen, punishment for fielding a injured player?

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 06:11 PM

Now Lydder?

The Omen

28-11-2010, 06:13 PM

In theory you couldn't field an injured player... well you wouldn't be able to put them on your match report anyway.

As the website will display who is injured for which games, I'm hoping the opposition will also be aware of who shouldn't be playing in their matches.

I quite like the idea of people having to input a result before playing another game because some people do take too long at the moment.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 06:16 PM

Let me run a 10 game test and display the results here.

Game 1
No injury
No injury
Injury Player: 8 Severity: 3

Game 2
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 3
No injury
No injury
Injury Player: 2 Severity: 1

Game 4
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 5
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 6
No injury
Injury Player: 11 Severity: 1
No injury

Game 7
Injury Player: 1 Severity: 1
No injury
No injury

Game 8
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 9
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 10
No injury
No injury
No injury

TEST 2

Game 1
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 2
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 3
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 4
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 5
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 6
No injury
No injury
Injury Player: 2 Severity: 3

Game 7
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 8
Injury Player: 4 Severity: 1
No injury
No injury

Game 9
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 10
No injury
No injury
Injury Player: 3 Severity: 1

TEST 3

Game 1
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 2
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 3
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 4
Injury Player: 4 Severity: 1
No injury
No injury

Game 5
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 6
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 7
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 8
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 9
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 10
No injury
No injury
No injury

TEST 4

Game 1
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 2
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 3
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 4
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 5
No injury
Injury Player: 1 Severity: 4
No injury

Game 6
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 7
No injury
No injury
Injury Player: 3 Severity: 1

Game 8
No injury
No injury
No injury

Game 9
Injury Player: 9 Severity: 2
No injury
No injury

Game 10
No injury
No injury
No injury

The Omen

28-11-2010, 06:18 PM

So 4 injuries a season roughly... also note that player 1 got injured - which would normally be the keeper!

Maybe with 3 possible injuries a game, a 10% chance of injury is too high. What do people think?

I'll run another test and edit the post above

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 06:28 PM

I know it'd be less realistic but anymore than one injury a game could be ruinous.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 06:29 PM

Ok I've now run 4 tests and posted the results.

As you can see, I don't think injuries will be too drastic:

Not once in any of the 4 tests did a team receive two or more injuries in one match
Only one severity 4 injury occured

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 06:30 PM

Also keepers tend to get injured less than outfield players.
Think you should take that into account

The Omen

28-11-2010, 06:34 PM

Also keepers tend to get injured less than outfield players.
Think you should take that into account

Yes, ok will do. Just by chance they will less likely occur due to the fact that your 10/11 times more likely to have an injury to an outfield player if you see what I mean - but I will make it even less likely than that.

Now I have shown 4 tests results, does it put everyone's fears at ease a little?

Neil

28-11-2010, 06:39 PM

I like the idea of injuries actually. I played my whole squad this season, so I'm used to playing some of the fringe guys.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 06:44 PM

For some reason I also think injuries are more likely to be remembered than suspensions.

Only problem I can see is how to decide which games the player misses. Do they just miss the next 3 games for example, or do they miss specific games chosen on the website?

Although it isn't realistic, I think it's best the website says which games they miss otherwise people may be put off playing big games while a player is injured...

Thoughts?

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 06:44 PM

I like the injury idea :)

btw bullet, i made the bid for andrew at about 8.45pm yesterday, so you have 15 minutes in which to accept it. If you could that would be lovely pretty please with a cherry on top and extra sprinkles :love:

Panzer

28-11-2010, 06:53 PM

I once again agree with PM it's ok to introduce it after fair warning & discussion, not at the last moment.

Also, I know it was my choice to increase the limit of home grown players to 50% this season, however, I did this PRIOR to free agents being paid for. I'm already going to have to spend a lot of money this draft to implement "my own" rule & it looks like I will be unlikely to do it as I will have to "BUY" a minimum of 2 free agents over & above my Drafts & that's if I release 1 of my current squad! If I don't realease someone I've gotta get 3 more Poles in. With the cost of free agents being rather high I'm gonna be struggling to do this, Carl can you clarify what the cost will be for free agents from now on?

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 06:55 PM

Unban Panzer :lux:

Neil

28-11-2010, 06:57 PM

21fd

I've just accepted the bid for Walcott for £20,000.

Any other cheeky bids before the window closes?

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 06:59 PM

I like the injury idea :)

btw bullet, i made the bid for andrew at about 8.45pm yesterday, so you have 15 minutes in which to accept it. If you could that would be lovely pretty please with a cherry on top and extra sprinkles :love:

I was just waiting to play him in my 2-0 victory against Scotty - you can have him now!

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:00 PM

Basically I do favour injuries, but believe they should be a rarity... & especially for Keepers... each squad will (from the injury rule on) have to have 2 keepers (more expense) & upto 3 injuries per game is a bit excessive.. with potential of 3/4 games missed a squad could be unable to field a side after a few games... that's not right? think we need to think about it a bit more before running with it

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 07:03 PM

Basically I do favour injuries, but believe they should be a rarity... & especially for Keepers... each squad will (from the injury rule on) have to have 2 keepers (more expense) & upto 3 injuries per game is a bit excessive.. with potential of 3/4 games missed a squad could be unable to field a side after a few games... that's not right? think we need to think about it a bit more before running with it
I'd like to have it next season, but since I want as many Lyon players as possible I am going to stick to 1 keeper and hope for the best.

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:19 PM

If we introduce injuries I'd like to see an increase in income to 650k & a minimum squad of 18 being the new requirement

The Omen

28-11-2010, 07:22 PM

Basically I do favour injuries, but believe they should be a rarity... & especially for Keepers... each squad will (from the injury rule on) have to have 2 keepers (more expense) & upto 3 injuries per game is a bit excessive.. with potential of 3/4 games missed a squad could be unable to field a side after a few games... that's not right? think we need to think about it a bit more before running with it

FYI:

I've run over a 100 tests now and have yet to see three injuries occur in one match.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 07:26 PM

I once again agree with PM it's ok to introduce it after fair warning & discussion, not at the last moment.

Also, I know it was my choice to increase the limit of home grown players to 50% this season, however, I did this PRIOR to free agents being paid for. I'm already going to have to spend a lot of money this draft to implement "my own" rule & it looks like I will be unlikely to do it as I will have to "BUY" a minimum of 2 free agents over & above my Drafts & that's if I release 1 of my current squad! If I don't realease someone I've gotta get 3 more Poles in. With the cost of free agents being rather high I'm gonna be struggling to do this, Carl can you clarify what the cost will be for free agents from now on?

Says the man who introduced the suspension rule at a drop of the hat! :o

I'm a little unsure what you are really asking for in the second part of your post. What do you want me to do? It is your own rule you are enforcing on yourself... why don't you work to 50% Poles? Doesn't have to be achieved in one season.

As for free agents, the rough price is already displayed on the website (remember that doesn't include wage cost). A definite figure will be available very soon when the transfer window closes. I will work it out based on what has been spent this season.

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:27 PM

FYI:

I've run over a 100 tests now and have yet to see three injuries occur in one match.
Did you test Poznan :D

The Omen

28-11-2010, 07:27 PM

I'd like to have it next season, but since I want as many Lyon players as possible I am going to stick to 1 keeper and hope for the best.

So will most teams I think. You can always make an emergency signing if need be.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 07:28 PM

Did you test Poznan :D

Sod's law it will occur on your first game :D

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:31 PM

Says the man who introduced the suspension rule at a drop of the hat! :o No, we discussed it a few times in previous seasons, but it proved to be unworkable with such a bunch of monkeys (no offence PM) :D

I'm a little unsure what you are really asking for in the second part of your post. What do you want me to do? It is your own rule you are enforcing on yourself... why don't you work to 50% Poles? Doesn't have to be achieved in one season. BUT I WANT IT NOWWWWW! :sob:

As for free agents, the rough price is already displayed on the website (remember that doesn't include wage cost). A definite figure will be available very soon when the transfer window closes. I will work it out based on what has been spent this season. ok

^

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 07:33 PM

If we introduce injuries I'd like to see an increase in income to 650k & a minimum squad of 18 being the new requirement
I agree. And this season we could get 2 "free" free agents to make up the numbers.

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 07:35 PM

I was just waiting to play him in my 2-0 victory against Scotty - you can have him now!

merci beaucoup :)

was weird as i thought you had to wait 24 hours before accepting a bid. oh well

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:36 PM

I agree. And this season we could get 2 "free" free agents to make up the numbers.
Yes!...... go for this Carl... I'll be quiet then :D

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 07:37 PM

btw i would have no problem in the injury thing coming in next season

The Omen

28-11-2010, 07:41 PM

If we introduce injuries I'd like to see an increase in income to 650k & a minimum squad of 18 being the new requirement

More money? People are already able to have a number of star players in the side and you want to increase the money given to teams?

And why does the squad requirement need to go up? I've already shown that on average teams will receive between 1-3 injuries a season. That means there should still be enough players on the bench to cover a crisis and if a team does have more than 5 injuries, they can always sign free agents to cover.

Can't see how your suggestion would solve things if I'm honest. It would just mean people can keep 4.5* squads and have a better bench...

NathanCPFCD

28-11-2010, 07:45 PM

I am in 34k debt and noone wants to buy my players. I only have 17 players in my squad so I could release one player but it wouldn't make enough of a difference. What's the punishment for staying in debt? Can I just say again:

ALL MY PLAYERS ARE AVAILABLE AT A BARGAIN PRICE. ANY OFFER WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR ANY PLAYER. PLAYER + CASH/PLAYER FOR PLAYER OFFERS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS CASH ONLY OFFERS.

Transfer window closes in a few hours so it's your last chance! Thank you!

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:47 PM

More money? People are already able to have a number of star players in the side and you want to increase the money given to teams?

And why does the squad requirement need to go up? I've already shown that on average teams will receive between 1-3 injuries a season. That means there should still be enough players on the bench to cover a crisis and if a team does have more than 5 injuries, they can always sign free agents to cover.

Can't see how your suggestion would solve things if I'm honest. It would just mean people can keep 4.5* squads and have a better bench...
Can't do the maths but 600k/16 squad members against 650k/18 squad members?? is it an overall increase?? no it's a reduction therefore overall squad value would come down??
The game requires 18 squad members so why not just go along with that & as above it actually reduces the chances of higher rated squads?

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 07:47 PM

I don't want an increase to finances.

I'd be happy if for one season only we had two free signings in addition to the draft ones we usually have.
We'd still have to pay wages if we wanted a bigger squad but I think it's unfair on people with high wage expenditure otherwise

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 07:50 PM

I am in 34k debt and noone wants to buy my players. I only have 17 players in my squad so I could release one player but it wouldn't make enough of a difference. What's the punishment for staying in debt? Can I just say again:

ALL MY PLAYERS ARE AVAILABLE AT A BARGAIN PRICE. ANY OFFER WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR ANY PLAYER. PLAYER + CASH/PLAYER FOR PLAYER OFFERS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS CASH ONLY OFFERS.

Transfer window closes in a few hours so it's your last chance! Thank you!
Duh duh d-duh, POINTS DEDUCTION! (to the tune of AJs song)

NathanCPFCD

28-11-2010, 07:55 PM

:( Not again

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 07:56 PM

Palace in final!

Palace, now unbeaten in ten matches, are just one win away from lifting the FA cup.
It was a dream start for the south Londoners, Holosko crossing for NDiaye to score yet another header after three minutes. Though the Russians will be bemoaning their bad luck, as the ball had hit the post and bouncing away from danger, when it hit the back of the keepers head and back in the net.
An exciting game then followed with both teams having a couple of good chances, ex-Eagle Doumbia fluffing Moscow's best chances, striking the post in a one on one, and not quite being able to turn a rebound in.
Palace had a chance to make it certain in the 90th minute, but man of the match Jermaine Jones struck a weak penalty that was easily saved.

Palace 1 - Moskva 0
NDiaye
Mom Jones

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 07:57 PM

Seaside is on now, so try to do final tonight as well

Panzer

28-11-2010, 07:58 PM

Are we introducing fines for Cards next season? another potential finance problem (especially for Olympiakos)

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 07:59 PM

Anything to stop me buying a player, then releasing them after the final?

The Omen

28-11-2010, 08:00 PM

Anything to stop me buying a player, then releasing them after the final?

Nope... but obviously will cost you quite a bit of money for just one game!

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 08:02 PM

Nope... but obviously will cost you quite a bit of money for just one game!

10k if buying off of Olympiakos

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 08:02 PM

Are we introducing fines for Cards next season? another potential finance problem (especially for Olympiakos)

Yes. Points deductions for debt as well.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 08:03 PM

Nope... but obviously will cost you quite a bit of money for just one game!
Must win silverware!

Oh hang on, people have to wait 24 hours to accept offers right?
So no more transfers can happen

NathanCPFCD

28-11-2010, 08:07 PM

Must win silverware!

Oh hang on, people have to wait 24 hours to accept offers right?
So no more transfers can happen

PM Buy someone off me! I think we can accept them straight away cos the transfer window closes at 12?

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 08:09 PM

I like that idea - on transfer deadline day (which IMO we should have 24 hours notice for, not just sprung upon us) we can accept after 1 hour.

NathanCPFCD

28-11-2010, 08:11 PM

I'm going brendan guilfoyle style on this. I'm not getting points deducted again.

SOMEONE BUY MY PLAYERS!!!

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 08:14 PM

I'm going brendan guilfoyle style on this. I'm not getting points deducted again.

SOMEONE BUY MY PLAYERS!!!

Roberto Carlos, 10k?

JonProgrammeSeller

28-11-2010, 08:15 PM

Completed 2 of the 3 games, just waiting on Pallet

NathanCPFCD

28-11-2010, 08:15 PM

1f48

Roberto Carlos, 10k?

I can't sell Carlos, Lennon, Soldado, Guiliano because I bought them this year. Which was obviously a bad decision in heinsight (sp?)

hypje

28-11-2010, 08:16 PM

I'm an advocate of injuries

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 08:17 PM

I can't sell Carlos, Lennon, Soldado, Guiliano because I bought them this year. Which was obviously a bad decision in heinsight (sp?)

Are you sure you cant sell them? I thought it was that you cant have them stolen. I say this as it still gives me option of making a bid.

Omen...? :)

hypje

28-11-2010, 08:18 PM

I've just accepted the bid for Walcott for £20,000.

Any other cheeky bids before the window closes?

Reunited with Theo :love:

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 08:18 PM

I can't sell Carlos, Lennon, Soldado, Guiliano because I bought them this year. Which was obviously a bad decision in heinsight (sp?)

Yes you can.

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 08:21 PM

Well ive made the offer. Feel free to accept ;)

CarnageReeper

28-11-2010, 08:46 PM

Reunited with Theo :love:

another gooner added to your team then i see :p

hypje

28-11-2010, 08:48 PM

another gooner added to your team then i see :p

:angel:

CarnageReeper

28-11-2010, 08:55 PM

Scunthorpe to bring back two old boys!

It was announced earlier this evening that Scunthorpe Utd manager has looked into re-signing two formed Irons. The two players arent being named at this current time, but it looks like one could fill the week midfield that has lead to many problems this season for the Iron, and almost lead to their relegation from the top flight.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 08:57 PM

Have bid Nathe :p

The Omen

28-11-2010, 09:10 PM

I'm afraid the website won't allow bids made less than 24 hours so the bids won't go through.

Nathe - you won't get fined as long as you are trying to get out of debt and aren't taking the piss. I can clearly see you are making efforts to get debt free so I have no problem.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 09:10 PM

ps. You can't sell a player in the same season you have bought him

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 09:11 PM

Have bid, Nathe.

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 09:17 PM

Jon; can you please reject the bid for Huntelaar. Thanks.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 09:19 PM

I'm afraid the website won't allow bids made less than 24 hours so the bids won't go through.

Stop bidding for Nathe's players people...

(I realise the deadline for transfers was late notice Bullet, but it doesn't make much difference - you can buy again after the draft and before any more games take place. I need to close it to work out the free agent cost)

CarnageReeper

28-11-2010, 09:20 PM

Are we introducing fines for Cards next season? another potential finance problem (especially for Olympiakos)

Don't we really need more money if all these fines are coming in? What with the being hard to scrap a good team together, transfer, possible upgrades which most teams will want to do and another thing thats going to cost us money. I think it's a good idea, but we need a bit more start off money or people are going to get points deducted. As you get yellows are practically nothing, it will be a bit harsh, an example when i was playing Scott eariler, he got a yellow card for the first tackle of the game, which was a clear standing tackled and he won the ball fair and square.

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 09:32 PM

Don't we really need more money if all these fines are coming in? What with the being hard to scrap a good team together, transfer, possible upgrades which most teams will want to do and another thing thats going to cost us money. I think it's a good idea, but we need a bit more start off money or people are going to get points deducted. As you get yellows are practically nothing, it will be a bit harsh, an example when i was playing Scott eariler, he got a yellow card for the first tackle of the game, which was a clear standing tackled and he won the ball fair and square.

I agree. I was playing Lydder earlier, Otsemobor slid in as last man got 100% of the ball clear decision, slid back ball went to my keeper, he got a booking! I was confused because

a) He got the ball in what was a superb tackle
b) If it was a foul it was a red

Fifa often gives away cards for nothing, and I don't think it's fair with the little money we have to be charged loads. Maybe we should receive just 10k that cannot be spent on wages per season?

Carl - I thought we agreed on something like £537 per point, or you worked something out a while back?

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 09:40 PM

FA cup final issue:

Game froze when 3-3 at the 60th minute-ish but PM froze and says it was 2-3?

What do we do?

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 09:42 PM

Potential problem in cup final.
Crashed but we had different scorelines when it crashed.

What do we do?
We were still connected when I went 3-2 up, but seaside scored an equalizer on his game but mine had crashed by then

JonProgrammeSeller

28-11-2010, 09:43 PM

Pallet hasn't come on since I have been on..... what happens if he doesn't as I have been on since 8pm and nothing, and I did say I was going to be on at this time tonight!!??

The Omen

28-11-2010, 09:44 PM

The final 30mins should be played with the game at 3-2.

It is the fault where you start playing different games. Basically Seaside scored when you weren't playing so it doesn't count.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 09:45 PM

Ah ok

The Omen

28-11-2010, 09:46 PM

Pallet hasn't come on since I have been on..... what happens if he doesn't as I have been on since 8pm and nothing, and I did say I was going to be on at this time tonight!!??

I'm afraid the game would likely go to him (would discuss with Panzer first) as Pallet has been more active recently (I realise this was not your fault due to problems at home).

Other than the loss, you would not receive any further punishment though as the circumstances were more than understandable.

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 09:47 PM

Ok, do you remember the exact time it froze?

60 was a guess, but it wasn't later.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 09:48 PM

I don't mind doing 45 mins. At least we'll be playing to a whistle and injury time

JonProgrammeSeller

28-11-2010, 09:48 PM

OK Omen, that's cool.... If I have to lose that game 3-0 due to my default I won't mind to be honest as I have pretty much finshed mid-table and I am happy with that.... I'll stay on and see what happens, but if by 11:30pm/12am he isn't on then I won't complain about the default loss. Cheers for waving the fine due to the circumstances too.

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 09:49 PM

Fair one mate, very kind.

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 09:58 PM

Replay final

JonProgrammeSeller

28-11-2010, 09:59 PM

As it goes I am actually quite tired so going to bed, Omen allow him the 3-0 default and i'll just prepare for next season. Think that would be easier.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:00 PM

Ah sorry, have just remembered how the website works!!

I will close the transfer window now, but any bids that have already been made can be accepted after the window is closed.

If anybody has made bids that they want me to reject as this wasn't explained before, please let me know and I'll do it.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:00 PM

As it goes I am actually quite tired so going to bed, Omen allow him the 3-0 default and i'll just prepare for next season. Think that would be easier.

OK mate, will do :)

hypje

28-11-2010, 10:01 PM

Already looking forward to S15

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 10:01 PM

Woooooooooooooooo! :lux:

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 10:03 PM

Vfl Wolfsburg win League, but not cup.

Palace shut up shop well, but the German side will be cursing their luck after hitting the woodwork three times and missing key opportunities.

Holosko was not guilty of the same, finishing every chance with lethal efficiency. WP mate.

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:03 PM

ps. Knew the friendly comps would run over... :(

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:04 PM

Woooooooooooooooo! :lux:

Congrats PM! First time a non-Prem side has won the cup (other than new players to the league, which isn't the same achievement imo)

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:06 PM

Just put the fixture on the website (sorry - forgot before!)

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 10:06 PM

To be fair there are only 3 games left in the Gerland Cup and they all involve Chelsea so I'm sure whenever Shads on they will be played.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 10:07 PM

ps. Knew the friendly comps would run over... :(

but I bet you didn't think the FA cup would finish today

BulletEagle

28-11-2010, 10:09 PM

Congrats PM... I still can't beat you but I won the league. I reckon we do a Community Shield thing between the two of us sometime, maybe next season?

hypje

28-11-2010, 10:12 PM

Congratulations PM! I would love to win the FA Cup

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:17 PM

but I bet you didn't think the FA cup would finish today

No, well done :)

You beat some tough teams to win the cup. Certainly didn't have an easy run

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:19 PM

For manager achievements guys, I'm thinking of adding a gold, silver and bronze cup icons under the manager profile.

Depending on the quality of the tournament you win (have won) you will be awarded one of these.

For example a Premier League or FA Cup trophy would be worth a gold trophy and a Championship title would be a silver.

I think this is better than a huge list of achievements. What do people think?

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:20 PM

Injury News
Injured Player: Dorrans (Suffered Hip Injury. He will miss 2 games)

:eek: :sob:

:o

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 10:20 PM

For manager achievements guys, I'm thinking of adding a gold, silver and bronze cup icons under the manager profile.

Depending on the quality of the tournament you win (have won) you will be awarded one of these.

For example a Premier League or FA Cup trophy would be worth a gold trophy and a Championship title would be a silver.

I think this is better than a huge list of achievements. What do people think?

Do we get a finalists medal? :clown:

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:22 PM

Do we get a finalists medal? :clown:

Previously there were notes on manager profiles for runners-up achievements, but lets be honest... nobody remembers who finished 2nd :o

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 10:28 PM

Eagles score a 'Hol' lot of goals in final thriller.

Filip Holosko will be taking home the match ball as well as a cup winners medal after his man of the match appearance today. A hat-trick from the Slovakian striker earning Palace their first piece of silverware.
Holosko struck first after 12 minutes, getting his foot to the ball in a scramble of players to score. The lead wasn't to last long as former Eagle Gomez nodded in an equaliser.
Holosko's second, on the stroke of halftime, was another goalmouth scramble, after a Vargas cross wasn't cleared properly. However Wolfsburg managed to find the time for one more attack before the break and Gomez scored again.
HT 2 - 2
Palace started strongly again, taking the lead for a third time, this time from a Carroll header.
A few minutes later, the floodlights failed. In the darkness, Podolski netted what he thought was the equaliser, but the game had been stopped by this stage.
The floodlights were fixed, and the second half started again at 3-2.
After ten minutes Holosko scored his third & best goal of the night, speeding onto a through ball from Emana, he then used the outside of his boot to curl the ball into the net.
Throughout this half Wolfsburg kept attacking, but some desperate defending, and with the help of the woodwork, no more goals were scored.
Palace 4 - Wolfsburg 2
Holosko x 3 Gomez x 2
Carroll
MOM= Holosko

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:29 PM

This Season's Transfer Business

Total rating of players bought: 1,701

Total money spent: £962,000

962000/1701 = 566

Next season, free agents will be worth £566 to the point

hypje

28-11-2010, 10:30 PM

Red Bull Arena expansion completed

New York Red Bulls will now have more financial clout in the transfer market.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 10:36 PM

This Season's Transfer Business

Total rating of players bought: 1,701

Total money spent: £962,000

962000/1701 = 566

Next season, free agents will be worth £566 to the point

that reminds me, the Agent upgrade is rubbish value and not comparable to the others.

all the other upgrades pay for themselves within about 2 seasons.
For the agent one to pay for itself, you need to spend £1m on players, which is more than everyone's spending combined!

NathanCPFCD

28-11-2010, 10:39 PM

This Season's Transfer Business

Total rating of players bought: 1,701

Total money spent: £962,000

962000/1701 = 566

Next season, free agents will be worth £566 to the point

+ wages?

That still makes it much much more expensive to get free agents than transfer from other players? So this means a 80 rated player will cost 45280 + wages? AND I STILL CAN'T GET MORE THAN 10K FOR BLOODY DE JONG!

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:42 PM

that reminds me, the Agent upgrade is rubbish value and not comparable to the others.

all the other upgrades pay for themselves within about 2 seasons.
For the agent one to pay for itself, you need to spend £1m on players, which is more than everyone's spending combined!

£1m would save you £100,000 - so more than the other upgrades.

You are right though. Maybe the % needs upping a bit.

When I was testing the feature, the agent upgrade is brilliant at 4* as you get 40% discount on all transfers... but the early stars are pretty rubbish. Maybe that's the point though... it might not do much at 1*, but once you get to 3*, you start to save money. And don't forget it will also give you a bidding war advantage as you can outbid teams while still paying less than them.

Little Fozzie

28-11-2010, 10:44 PM

Previously there were notes on manager profiles for runners-up achievements, but lets be honest... nobody remembers who finished 2nd :o

No you must keep them, otherwise i lose about 9 runner-up place recognitions in the fa cup :o :sob:

The Omen

28-11-2010, 10:44 PM

+ wages?

That still makes it much much more expensive to get free agents than transfer from other players? So this means a 80 rated player will cost 45280 + wages? AND I STILL CAN'T GET MORE THAN 10K FOR BLOODY DE JONG!

...

I must admit... I was just looking at it and thinking the same. I do think the cost is right if free agents are signed mid-season, however I think that wages maybe shouldn't be paid if signed during the off season as you will end up paying them twice when wage deductions occur.

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 10:52 PM

...

I must admit... I was just looking at it and thinking the same. I do think the cost is right if free agents are signed mid-season, however I think that wages maybe shouldn't be paid if signed during the off season as you will end up paying them twice when wage deductions occur.

sounds good to me

Seaside Eagle

28-11-2010, 10:56 PM

...

I must admit... I was just looking at it and thinking the same. I do think the cost is right if free agents are signed mid-season, however I think that wages maybe shouldn't be paid if signed during the off season as you will end up paying them twice when wage deductions occur.

Sounds good. Don't penalise during the off season. Would that make an 85 free agent £60k?

Panzer

28-11-2010, 11:11 PM

Potential problem in cup final.
Crashed but we had different scorelines when it crashed.

What do we do?
We were still connected when I went 3-2 up, but seaside scored an equalizer on his game but mine had crashed by then
BOOO! strip Monkey of the Cup & BAN HIM!!!!!!!!

Panzer

28-11-2010, 11:12 PM

Pound rate per point value only during off season :p

PalaceMonkey

28-11-2010, 11:16 PM

1f7e

.

hypje

28-11-2010, 11:28 PM

Sounds good. Don't penalise during the off season. Would that make an 85 free agent £60k?

No it would be 566 x 85 = £48,110.00

Panzer

29-11-2010, 12:04 AM

No it would be 566 x 85 = £48,110.00
& you still pay the wages for the season you signed him, so to have an 85 rated player would cost £108,110 in total

Seaside Eagle

29-11-2010, 05:34 AM

& you still pay the wages for the season you signed him, so to have an 85 rated player would cost £108,110 in total

I think I'll just transfer then. I'll "steal" two free agents for nothing.

Is anyone actually going to pay almost double the cost they normally would to get a player, instead of just transferring?

BulletEagle

29-11-2010, 06:18 AM

So if I wanted to sign a free 60 rated player he would cost me 33,960.

Then add wages when they are deducted.

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 07:08 AM

Carl I payed for player protection last night, after speaking to Panzer this may have been a mistake on my part. Is this protection going to be removed before the start of next season or is it still good for 'next year'?

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 07:23 AM

A night of mixed emotions for CSKA as they won promotion at their first attempt from League One but were knocked out the FA Cup in the semi-final stage.

Playing an in-form Crystal Palace managed by experienced PalaceMonkey, CSKA were a goal down after just 3 mins when the impressive N'Diaye nodded the Eagles infront after a fortunate deflection off the CSKA goalkeeper. The game ebbed 'n' flowed from then on with very little clear cut opportunities for either side. Crystal Palace ran out winners and went on to win the cup later that night. Well played Monkey it was a good tight game look forward to facing you again next season:p

Later that evening CSKA faced their biggest game of the season when they faced an illness ravaged Busan at Arena Khimki. CSKA took the lead early and never looked back, surging forward with attack after attack. Seydou Doumbia took his tally to 20 goals for the season after bagging 4 goals.

Looking forward to next season and playing some more peeps. Really enjoyed my first season in the FWL, had some real good games against everyone.:love: :lux:

ardeo

29-11-2010, 07:36 AM

A night of mixed emotions for CSKA as they won promotion at their first attempt from League One but were knocked out the FA Cup in the semi-final stage.

Playing an in-form Crystal Palace managed by experienced PalaceMonkey, CSKA were a goal down after just 3 mins when the impressive N'Diaye nodded the Eagles infront after a fortunate deflection off the CSKA goalkeeper. The game ebbed 'n' flowed from then on with very little clear cut opportunities for either side. Crystal Palace ran out winners and went on to win the cup later that night. Well played Monkey it was a good tight game look forward to facing you again next season:p

Later that evening CSKA faced their biggest game of the season when they faced an illness ravaged Busan at Arena Khimki. CSKA took the lead early and never looked back, surging forward with attack after attack. Seydou Doumbia took his tally to 20 goals for the season after bagging 4 goals.

Looking forward to next season and playing some more peeps. Really enjoyed my first season in the FWL, had some real good games against everyone.:love: :lux:

Well done Daz, congratulations on your promotion!

PalaceMonkey

29-11-2010, 07:56 AM

CPFC Player of the year awards

Player of the year - Filip Holosko. Top scorer, with a hat-trick in the FA cup final bags Holosko another accolade.

Young player of the year - Alassane N'Diaye, the surprise package this season. 6 goals and highest average rating completes an amazing season for the young Frenchman. It is reported that his contract will probably be protected next season.

Goal of the season - Juan Manuel Vargas vs Chelsea

PalaceMonkey

29-11-2010, 08:01 AM

Cmon friendly competition peoples!

pallet

29-11-2010, 08:02 AM

Pallet hasn't come on since I have been on..... what happens if he doesn't as I have been on since 8pm and nothing, and I did say I was going to be on at this time tonight!!??
Hi Jon,
Sorry I did'nt get on last night, was out on Saturday night so spent last night with the wife watching X factor. Really pleased Wagner and Katie ahve gone at last and also very happy with the 3 points thank you for being so sensible about it.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:06 AM

I think I'll just transfer then. I'll "steal" two free agents for nothing.

Is anyone actually going to pay almost double the cost they normally would to get a player, instead of just transferring?

That's including when wages are deducted - so you won't be paying double, because anybody you sign will have wages deducted (even drafted players)

The amount you pay is the average of what has been spent this season on players, so the price is very fair.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:11 AM

Carl I payed for player protection last night, after speaking to Panzer this may have been a mistake on my part. Is this protection going to be removed before the start of next season or is it still good for 'next year'?

No, you are fine, it will still be valid for the next draft.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:12 AM

No it would be 566 x 85 = £48,110.00

Yep - correct values are displaying on player profiles already btw.

Neil

29-11-2010, 08:30 AM

Congrats on your promotion Daz! Will be a shame not to play you again as you were one of the few opponents I enjoyed playing against this season.

(neat segue)

I played my (very) laggy game with Jon, but there was an early goal so couldn't be arsed to ask for a replay.

Jon 5 - 1 Melbourne

hypje

29-11-2010, 09:46 AM

2179

No, you are fine, it will still be valid for the next draft.

Is that for any protection bought during Season 14?

The Shadmeister

29-11-2010, 10:11 AM

Congratulations MONKEY BOY!!

The Shadmeister

29-11-2010, 10:13 AM

I'll be on later to complete any cup games......sorry I'venot been on recently. Had a hectic weekend.

JonProgrammeSeller

29-11-2010, 10:35 AM

Hi Jon,
Sorry I did'nt get on last night, was out on Saturday night so spent last night with the wife watching X factor. Really pleased Wagner and Katie ahve gone at last and also very happy with the 3 points thank you for being so sensible about it.

Not a problem mate, what with everything going on last few days I just couldn't stay up any later last night and to be fair I could have played this game earlier if it wasn't for me putting it off, and not your fault. The 3 points to you were only right and just and it then gives me also time then to prepare for next season, with a much clearer head. I might be able to play much better without CO poisoning....lol

JonProgrammeSeller

29-11-2010, 10:37 AM

Congrats on your promotion Daz! Will be a shame not to play you again as you were one of the few opponents I enjoyed playing against this season.

(neat segue)

I played my (very) laggy game with Jon, but there was an early goal so couldn't be arsed to ask for a replay.

Jon 5 - 1 Melbourne

Neil, you should have told me....... I thought it was too easy, as our last game was very close. I'd have happily have allowed you to start the game again as I know how annoying the lag can be on FIFA 11.

Neil

29-11-2010, 10:39 AM

No worries fella. I was tired and didn't fancy spending twenty minutes waiting for a router reset (besides, I wanted to play Clubs) ;)

JonProgrammeSeller

29-11-2010, 10:40 AM

No worries fella. I was tired and didn't fancy spending twenty minutes waiting for a router reset (besides, I wanted to play Clubs) ;)

lol OK mate no worries. That win softened the blow of me losing 6-0 to CSKA anyway..... hehe

Panzer

29-11-2010, 12:30 PM

No worries fella. I was tired and didn't fancy spending twenty minutes waiting for a router reset (besides, I wanted to play Clubs) ;)
BOO! deserter ;) nice to get the clubs wins against you last nite.. The B Team are big rivals now :hi:

Neil

29-11-2010, 12:50 PM

Yes, sorry about that mate. It was a very short notice thing.

We were disappointed (not astounded, that sounds arrogant) that we lost any of the games in all honesty - I think your post lead a charmed life in the first game, but they were good fun which is the main thing. Not really sure what the future holds for us Clubs-wise but should you ever want some games, we'll always happily give you a game :)

Special shout to Tricky though. Mate, you defended resolutely :p

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 01:58 PM

Manager TrusolDaz has this afternoon resigned as manager of CSKA Moskva, stating that it was too cold in the Russian capital.

After only one season in the hotseat and gaining promotion to the Championship he has this afternoon cleared his desk and said 'see ya' to the Armeytsy Moskvy.

It is thought that he will take up the vacant managerial post at Borussia Dortmund.:lux:

Neil

29-11-2010, 02:02 PM

:eek:

Rumours are coming through the grapevine of a similar announcement at Melbourne.

It seems like hell may have officially frozen over!

PalaceMonkey

29-11-2010, 02:34 PM

The Crystal Palace board have announced that PalaceMonkey has been appointed manager for life.
"You'll have to prise the job out of my cold, dead hands!" PM defiantly bellowed.

Lydder

29-11-2010, 03:14 PM

Omen,

Bit of a dilemma,
Assuming I am reasonably high up in steal round. I plan to take 2 players to take me back up to the required 16.

What happens if i am unlucky enough to lose two players later in the steal? Will I have to pay out to sign free agents to take me back to the required 16. Could be massivley detrimental especially if some loses highly rated players.

If this is a possiblity, I think a rule should be in place that if a Manager loses players in the steal round that takes him below the required 16 players he may sign a free agent without charge to maintain a 16 man squad?

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 03:32 PM

Omen,

Bit of a dilemma,
Assuming I am reasonably high up in steal round. I plan to take 2 players to take me back up to the required 16.

What happens if i am unlucky enough to lose two players later in the steal? Will I have to pay out to sign free agents to take me back to the required 16. Could be massivley detrimental especially if some loses highly rated players.

If this is a possiblity, I think a rule should be in place that if a Manager loses players in the steal round that takes him below the required 16 players he may sign a free agent without charge to maintain a 16 man squad?

I see were you're coming from Lydder but by the same token what is to stop someone from selling 2 players at the end of the season for say £100k getting a player 'stolen' during the window and then signing someone for free whilst pocketing the 100k?

The only way it could work for me is that the 'free' player costs you as much as you made from selling the 2 players so that no-one gets an advantage?

Am i making sense:confused:

Lydder

29-11-2010, 03:42 PM

I see were you're coming from Lydder but by the same token what is to stop someone from selling 2 players at the end of the season for say £100k getting a player 'stolen' during the window and then signing someone for free whilst pocketing the 100k?

The only way it could work for me is that the 'free' player costs you as much as you made from selling the 2 players so that no-one gets an advantage?

Am i making sense:confused:

Sort of! and if a manager sells players that reduce his numbers below 14, then the have to accept that it will cost them some funds to increase there numbers back to the legal limit.

But in arguement I can control if and when I buy and sell players, and purposely did not go below 14, I have no control over steals. I will be happy with my 16 if i get the 2 players i want. Then i suddenly thought of this potential situation. Can't see how it is fair if a manager is financially penalised for having players stolen.

hypje

29-11-2010, 05:03 PM

If you don't want players stolen, protect them?!

Lydder

29-11-2010, 05:05 PM

If you don't want players stolen, protect them?!

you can't protect all 16 can you!

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 05:17 PM

Sort of! and if a manager sells players that reduce his numbers below 14, then the have to accept that it will cost them some funds to increase there numbers back to the legal limit.

But in arguement I can control if and when I buy and sell players, and purposely did not go below 14, I have no control over steals. I will be happy with my 16 if i get the 2 players i want. Then i suddenly thought of this potential situation. Can't see how it is fair if a manager is financially penalised for having players stolen.

I agree Lydder, i just don't think it's fair that someone could potentially gain a financial advantage buy getting a player for 'free'. The only way to stop this is to change the ruleing to have 16 players at all times then you must buy before you can sell.

scottyboiix

29-11-2010, 05:29 PM

Whats happening about releasing players?

Panzer

29-11-2010, 05:37 PM

no one offered for mine so I've released them... will cost 4/5 times as much now if anyone did want them

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 05:43 PM

no one offered for mine so I've released them... will cost 4/5 times as much now if anyone did want them

But what if someone steals one or two of your players Al??

NathanCPFCD

29-11-2010, 05:45 PM

Can anyone.help me? My laptop isnt working so could someone tell me whether i can get out of debt by releasing my best player? X

Panzer

29-11-2010, 05:47 PM

But what if someone steals one or two of your players Al??
I'm hoping they won't! if they do I don't know what I'll do as I won't have any money????

Panzer

29-11-2010, 05:49 PM

Can anyone.help me? My laptop isnt working so could someone tell me whether i can get out of debt by releasing my best player? X
Currently Nath it would reduce your wage bill to 550k if you released 1 of the 54k paid players, leaving you 14k when you get income for next season

Lydder

29-11-2010, 05:52 PM

Thought of a solution, how about a team that has a player stolen is credited that players value? Therefore they have lost the player but not lost out financially.

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 05:53 PM

Can anyone.help me? My laptop isnt working so could someone tell me whether i can get out of debt by releasing my best player? X

You can Nathan, but you can also get out of debt by releasing one of your 72+ players:p

Seaside Eagle

29-11-2010, 06:10 PM

Can anyone.help me? My laptop isnt working so could someone tell me whether i can get out of debt by releasing my best player? X

You could always accept my bid for Doumbia mate :p

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 06:12 PM

You could always accept my bid for Doumbia mate :p

He's mine Seaside and if you put a '0' on the end then i will:p

Tricky Business

29-11-2010, 06:55 PM

We were disappointed (not astounded, that sounds arrogant) that we lost any of the games in all honesty - I think your post lead a charmed life in the first game, but they were good fun which is the main thing. Not really sure what the future holds for us Clubs-wise but should you ever want some games, we'll always happily give you a game :)

Special shout to Tricky though. Mate, you defended resolutely :p

:p Thanks Neil, I think I raised my game just for you, must be a psychological thing, it certainly means more when you're playing someone you know (sort of , off the internet, but you know what I mean ;)). Personally, I thought that the lofted freekick over then defence in the first game that got toe poked in was my special highlight in that run of games.

All of them a pleasure, 2 wins 1 loss and a draw - that puts FWL Eagles one up I believe. Believe me we will be keeping track :D

I played as CF in a practice game just beforehand and couldn't play for toffee. I think I've found my niche controlling defence (although I am partial to a bit of left wingery every now and again too).

ardeo

29-11-2010, 08:10 PM

I agree with Kev, if we are to have players stolen we should be remunerated for it.

As I won't be stealing anyone, if 2 players are then stolen from me, I have to spend money on replacing them, when all i'm trying to do is mind my own business. And because i'm only having ex-Palace players, I might have to get in free transfers :(

PalaceMonkey

29-11-2010, 08:12 PM

I think free transfers should be entirely free in the off season

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:13 PM

Omen,

Bit of a dilemma,
Assuming I am reasonably high up in steal round. I plan to take 2 players to take me back up to the required 16.

What happens if i am unlucky enough to lose two players later in the steal? Will I have to pay out to sign free agents to take me back to the required 16. Could be massivley detrimental especially if some loses highly rated players.

If this is a possiblity, I think a rule should be in place that if a Manager loses players in the steal round that takes him below the required 16 players he may sign a free agent without charge to maintain a 16 man squad?

All part of the fun isn't it? Everyone will be gambling to some extent :)

I was thinking last night... with this potential situation is there any advantage to going first compared to last any more? I wonder if it's better to just have a free for all with people gambling when it is best to draft.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:15 PM

1f8b

I agree with Kev, if we are to have players stolen we should be remunerated for it.

As I won't be stealing anyone, if 2 players are then stolen from me, I have to spend money on replacing them, when all i'm trying to do is mind my own business. And because i'm only having ex-Palace players, I might have to get in free transfers :(

No you don't. If you aren't planning on stealing you can wait. If someone steals 2 players from you, you can steal two players to replace them for nothing.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:18 PM

I think free transfers should be entirely free in the off season

Totally disagree I'm afraid. Why would anyone ever pay for players if you could get them all for free during the off season?

Would also see teams releasing squads and signing whole new squads each season - something most people were against.

Now you really have to think before signing people. No more rushed signings

hypje

29-11-2010, 08:25 PM

Totally disagree I'm afraid. Why would anyone ever pay for players if you could get them all for free during the off season?

Would also see teams releasing squads and signing whole new squads each season - something most people were against.

Now you really have to think before signing people. No more rushed signings

Yup, completely agree

Lydder

29-11-2010, 08:27 PM

Well, if you do not get the players value back in cash from a steal then it is all bollox im afraid. Imagine getting Tevez stolen at the last minute, would cost your team a packet to replace.

Seaside Eagle

29-11-2010, 08:29 PM

Well, if you do not get the players value back in cash from a steal then it is all bollox im afraid. Imagine getting Tevez stolen at the last minute, would cost your team a packet to replace.

Is that a hint? :D

BulletEagle

29-11-2010, 08:29 PM

So there is no steal order this season? Great. I'm last.

Seaside Eagle

29-11-2010, 08:30 PM

I'm only stealing players if I have some stolen, or sell players and don't have 16.

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 08:32 PM

With regards to the draft do the steals get done first giving people enough time to replace them or not?

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:34 PM

Well, if you do not get the players value back in cash from a steal then it is all bollox im afraid. Imagine getting Tevez stolen at the last minute, would cost your team a packet to replace.

Best hold onto your steals if you think someone may get stolen... that way it will cost nothing to replace a stolen player. ;)

The Omen

29-11-2010, 08:34 PM

With regards to the draft do the steals get done first giving people enough time to replace them or not?

First, before what?

Lydder

29-11-2010, 08:39 PM

Best hold onto your steals if you think someone may get stolen... that way it will cost nothing to replace a stolen player. ;)

Hold on for how long though? There must be a deadline? Think you will just create a stalemate or mass hysteria.

Not knocking ya mate, but how well have you thought this through? Can you not see Ardeo's point?

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 08:41 PM

First, before what?

For instance you only have one gk and you have already done your steals, someone steals your GK. Are the players that are being stolen being told they are getting stolen or else no-one is going to go first!

Panzer

29-11-2010, 08:41 PM

Everyone will go last

Panzer

29-11-2010, 08:44 PM

I won't be stealing anyone! I will draft a player then wait to see if anyone steals "MY" Poles (so keep ya grubby hands off!)

hypje

29-11-2010, 08:44 PM

You should be able to replace a stolen player for free?

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 08:47 PM

You should be able to replace a stolen player for free?

I think everyone should be told who is getting stolen before the draft. Giving them enough time to find a replacement. Otherwise you make signings 3 games in you don't want/need

Panzer

29-11-2010, 08:48 PM

Tevez applies for Polish citizenship

After just 1 season in Poland Carlos Tevezski has applied for Polish citizenship, he will undergo a course in Plumbing followed by general building skills & work ethic before taking the citizenship test. Carlos was quoted as saying "I love it here in Poland, the sugar, the money & the women, I'm definately staying!"

hypje

29-11-2010, 08:49 PM

I think everyone should be told who is getting stolen before the draft. Giving them enough time to find a replacement. Otherwise you make signings 3 games in you don't want/need

What if someone steals a player from your team and you want to steal another player to replace him?

TrusolDaz

29-11-2010, 08:51 PM

What if someone steals a player from your team and you want to steal another player to replace him?

mmmmm good point:p There's got to be an easier way to do this:confused:

hypje

29-11-2010, 08:54 PM

yeah you can replace stolen players for free?

Panzer

29-11-2010, 08:54 PM

Like I said "maybe no steals" just forced transfers... & most said I was silly khhh! kids today eh?

hypje

29-11-2010, 08:58 PM

1f74

on a different note, how good are Barca?!?! :eek:

PalaceMonkey

29-11-2010, 09:26 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BANZER!

The Omen

29-11-2010, 09:26 PM

Hold on for how long though? There must be a deadline? Think you will just create a stalemate or mass hysteria.

Not knocking ya mate, but how well have you thought this through? Can you not see Ardeo's point?

I can't see Ardeo's at all. He said he wasn't planning on drafting anyone and then said he would have to buy if someone got stolen - which is wrong because he could use his steals.

I can see your point more... but I don't think it will be as huge a problem as people think.

I think it steals come down to one thing. Don't over spend. You never know when you might need money. At the moment, everyone seems keen to spend every penny. That idea may backfire.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 09:28 PM

At the end of the day, you get two free players and you stand to lose a maximum of two players (but probably less). You can never be left with less than you started with.

Lydder

29-11-2010, 09:48 PM

I can't see Ardeo's at all. He said he wasn't planning on drafting anyone and then said he would have to buy if someone got stolen - which is wrong because he could use his steals.

I can see your point more... but I don't think it will be as huge a problem as people think.

I think it steals come down to one thing. Don't over spend. You never know when you might need money. At the moment, everyone seems keen to spend every penny. That idea may backfire.

So what your saying is hold back some cash just in case someone steals from you! you can't plan a team like that, it truly is a double whammy, lose a player and his cash value. I understand you point about you never worse off in terms of number of squad players but you could be totally fucjed in terms of quality players.

Maybe I take this too serious and it is time for me to move on, but I will be well pissed if I lose quality players i can't afford to replace.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 10:08 PM

So what your saying is hold back some cash just in case someone steals from you! you can't plan a team like that, it truly is a double whammy, lose a player and his cash value. I understand you point about you never worse off in terms of number of squad players but you could be totally fucjed in terms of quality players.

Maybe I take this too serious and it is time for me to move on, but I will be well pissed if I lose quality players i can't afford to replace.

I'd say the bigger problem is people selling players for cheap fees without considering they may have to replace them.

The draft works itself out; +2 in, -2 out.

The only money you lose is from other players you've sold or released. Plus, don't forget anybody you've signed for cash are automatically protected anyway.

Let's see how it goes this season. If there are big problems I promise I will change things.

Panzer

29-11-2010, 10:11 PM

Actually I've cocked up haven't I? I released players because I have 2 drafts lined up... now, if someone steals from me I am F***** as I will have less than 16 players! Carl can you undo my releases? Also somehow it changed my finances... I should be 40k in debt?? but am 39k UP??

BAN ME!!

PalaceMonkey

29-11-2010, 10:17 PM

. At the moment, everyone seems keen to spend every penny. That idea may backfire.

As I said, I don't think you've done it intentionally, but you benefit the most from the way things are.

I'm sure if this had all been in the open at the beginning of this season, some people wouldn't have spent their entire budget on wages & transfers.

As a one off I think it'd be fair for people to get free transfers for free this coming season.

Your ongoing refusal is unfair on other teams.

I'm not arguing from my perspective, I've got money spare at the moment, I'm trying to see it from other team's viewpoints

Little Fozzie

29-11-2010, 10:28 PM

i cant see the problem of teams being given their players cash value back when they are stolen if they have to get in a replacement

ardeo

29-11-2010, 10:31 PM

I can't see Ardeo's at all. He said he wasn't planning on drafting anyone and then said he would have to buy if someone got stolen - which is wrong because he could use his steals.

I can see your point more... but I don't think it will be as huge a problem as people think.

I think it steals come down to one thing. Don't over spend. You never know when you might need money. At the moment, everyone seems keen to spend every penny. That idea may backfire.

Are we not doing it in order anymore then?

If not, then as others have said everyone will try and wait until the last moment, because there is no incentive to make your steals, then find you have lost people in other positions and you need replacements for them, at which point you need to release some players to balance the books.

Personally I don't think that the two systems are compatible, trying to combine a free market exercise (transfers) with a planned event just doesn't work. There's not really any need for the draft in that players are going to move anyway.

I think the pay scale is spot on at the moment, with people who want to stack their forwards suffering at the back, so there isn't so much of a need for the draft to level things.

The Omen

29-11-2010, 10:54 PM

As I said, I don't think you've done it intentionally, but you benefit the most from the way things are.

I've spent all my money... :confused:

Am I missing something here... you get two guaranteed free players. You lose 2 players MAXIMUM (and most teams don't if history repeats itself).

Teams will never end up with less than they have started with.

If after the draft you have less than 16 players that is because you have sold someone. That means it should have brought cash into your club - cash that you will need to find a replacement.

The problem is people selling players cheap without considering they will have to replace them. There is nothing wrong with the draft imo.

I'm not going to wait until the end of the draft to get my players in case someone else drafts them.

hypje

29-11-2010, 11:00 PM

1965

I've spent all my money... :confused:

Am I missing something here... you get two guaranteed free players. You lose 2 players MAXIMUM (and most teams don't if history repeats itself).

Teams will never end up with less than they have started with.

If after the draft you have less than 16 players that is because you have sold someone. That means it should have brought cash into your club - cash that you will need to find a replacement.

The problem is people selling players cheap without considering they will have to replace them. There is nothing wrong with the draft imo.

I'm not going to wait until the end of the draft to get my players in case someone else drafts them.

Yeah that's fair I suppose. I lost 1 player during the season but gained £120,000...

Little Fozzie

29-11-2010, 11:06 PM

I've spent all my money... :confused:

Am I missing something here... you get two guaranteed free players. You lose 2 players MAXIMUM (and most teams don't if history repeats itself).

Teams will never end up with less than they have started with.

If after the draft you have less than 16 players that is because you have sold someone. That means it should have brought cash into your club - cash that you will need to find a replacement.

The problem is people selling players cheap without considering they will have to replace them. There is nothing wrong with the draft imo.

I'm not going to wait until the end of the draft to get my players in case someone else drafts them.

Since you put it like that it does make sense. Especially regarding this bit;

"If after the draft you have less than 16 players that is because you have sold someone. That means it should have brought cash into your club - cash that you will need to find a replacement."

Based on this I make omen right and things are good as they are :)

The Omen

29-11-2010, 11:19 PM

And why does everyone seem to think they are going to lose a major player? Recent history shows that a lot of drafts are free agents with very few players being taken from other FWL teams.

It shouldn't be easy to have the team you want. I think it should be a bit of a struggle - maybe force teams to rethink formations etc.

Can we just try it for this season please?

scottyboiix

29-11-2010, 11:21 PM

This is all getting really confusing for me =/

The Omen

29-11-2010, 11:26 PM

This is all getting really confusing for me =/

Basically nothing is going to change - this season anyway. People are just getting worried and expecting the worst.

ps. Better start looking for a replacement for Bent. ;)

hypje

29-11-2010, 11:55 PM

Omen: Do any protections bought during this season remain valid for the upcoming steal stage? What I'm trying to ascertain is if the steal stage is at the end of Season 14 or the beginning of Season 15?

Similarly, are players bought this season protected?

The Omen

30-11-2010, 06:54 AM

Omen: Do any protections bought during this season remain valid for the upcoming steal stage? What I'm trying to ascertain is if the steal stage is at the end of Season 14 or the beginning of Season 15?

Similarly, are players bought this season protected?

Anybody who is showing as 1 year protection now will be protected for the upcoming draft.

Panzer - will sort your team later

CarnageReeper

30-11-2010, 07:18 AM

I'm confused... Can we 'steal' free agents during the steal draft phase?

PalaceMonkey

30-11-2010, 07:46 AM

I know you've spent all your money, but at the beginning of next season you're going to be the richest club with the lowest wage bill?

And with the introduction of injuries, apparently without discussion with your admins, it will be possible to lose several players over the course of a season.
Which would have little impact on a club with lots of spare cash.
You are not making it easy for managers that have spent big on wages to rectify their mistakes.

Do you not see that this is unfair?

Panzer

30-11-2010, 07:51 AM

I'm confused... Can we 'steal' free agents during the steal draft phase?
Yes. I will probably release them anyway but

Thanks Carl :p & I assume we are doing Draft first then release then wages deducted

CarnageReeper

30-11-2010, 08:04 AM

I agree with the monkey

PalaceMonkey

30-11-2010, 08:07 AM

Also on an unrelated note, I think once a team has a few upgrades, we're going to start heading back to teams with lots of stars.
Perhaps rather than making the transfer upgrade better, perhaps make the others worse?