View Full Version : If Steve Bruce had Stayed.....
Kidofwonder
18-06-2011, 07:55 PM
I think we'd be an established premier league side. obviously he's a scummy ex Man Utd so and so. but he seemed to really gel with the players we had.
ExiledStirling
18-06-2011, 08:01 PM
I do not know what to say
Danny boy
18-06-2011, 08:06 PM
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fanny farm
18-06-2011, 08:13 PM
Yawn... go back to bed & buy a season ticket! Bored shitless of all the posters 'in the know' on here knowing **** all
Nork1
18-06-2011, 08:19 PM
Extremely amusing how brum are whining like bitches about another club poaching their manager.
Kidofwonder
19-06-2011, 02:17 AM
Yawn... go back to bed & buy a season ticket! Bored shitless of all the posters 'in the know' on here knowing **** all
no I'm not 'In the know' I was opening a point for discussion.
Shipp Ahoy!
19-06-2011, 02:33 AM
I think people would have been more receptive if the opening post had been phrased in a slightly different way :)
For what it's worth I have to say I think Bruce, as much of a wanker as he is, is a class manager and agree had we kept him we would probably have ended up a Prem club and very likely one for a couple of seasons.
Beyond that of course at which point as loyal as he would have been :D We would have lost him to a bigger club and therefore have no idea where we could have ended up with our next appointment!!!
Scoot
19-06-2011, 08:45 AM
No we wouldnt
Nelson Muntz
19-06-2011, 08:49 AM
Bruce, as much of a wanker as he is,
It makes me laugh how everyone who either hasn't ever had involvment with Palace or has left is a wanker.
cross_eyed_ed
19-06-2011, 09:18 AM
Extremely amusing how brum are whining like bitches about another club poaching their manager.
I thought that I may have been alone in noticing the irony of their whinging.
Kidofwonder
19-06-2011, 10:07 AM
Even more ironic Bruce bemoaning Darren Bent's lack of loyalty in going to Villa
dufski13
19-06-2011, 10:28 AM
[QUOTE=Nelson Muntz]It makes me laugh how everyone who either hasn't ever had involvment with Palace or has left is a wanker.[/
Although surely in this case it is an entirely accurate description ?
Probably about time this one was laid to rest - I'm not sure I could work for SJ for more than a month. Even if Bruce did get Palace up my hunch is he would not have hung around long enough to establish the club.
dufski13
19-06-2011, 10:32 AM
In any case who really wants to be an established prem side anyway ? How dull to have nothing to look forward to years of mid table tedium. In the end,coupled with their awful football ,it was the boredom with a few years of mid table mediocrity that turned the Clowntown fans against Curbishley.
dan27
19-06-2011, 10:35 AM
It makes me laugh how everyone who either hasn't ever had involvment with Palace or has left is a wanker.
Really? I don't think anybody on here or any Palace fan would say Paul Hart is a wanker. He left and I think is now at Charlton. I don't know what you're trying to say with your post but it strikes me as a bit foolish and anti Palace fans. The vast majority of our fans pick their battles and Steve Bruce was an extremely justifiable battle to pick.
And for me I think had Bruce stayed then we would have won the league easily that season and then yo yoed.
I think we probably would have wound up in administration eventually anyway with the ground situation but it would have been 5 or 6 years later. The situation we got ourselves into with the stadium was completely unsustainable and administration was inevitable.
Oh and Bruce would have left the moment a team 'bigger' than us came in for him - by bigger I of course mean richer.
ExiledStirling
19-06-2011, 10:38 AM
Probably about time this one was laid to rest - I'm not sure I could work for SJ for more than a month. Even if Bruce did get Palace up my hunch is he would not have hung around long enough to establish the club.
Didn't Bruce say at the time of leaving something along the lines of 'people close to me know my reasons for leaving' and then kept his counsel on the matter.
At the time I thought , yes we know your reason and that is greed and you are a disloyal bastard.
In hindsight, and now having more insight into the workings of SJ, I can be more generous in my feelings towards the guy.
Leif Andersen
19-06-2011, 10:45 AM
I think we'd be an established premier league side. obviously he's a scummy ex Man Utd so and so. but he seemed to really gel with the players we had.
******* hell, move on!! that's 10 years ago now.
what if Steve Coppell hadn't left? What if we hadn't given away that last minute goal to Southampton?
Its really pointless wondering what might have been. Bruce has showed himself to be a total mercenary by the number of clubs he has done the dirty on since leaving us, and he'll do the dirty on Sunderland the moment Man U come to him (if they ever do)
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HurstpierPalace
19-06-2011, 11:09 AM
If we'd have become an established PL club (as great as that would have been) we'd still have Tango man as chairman and probably would never have had the consortium in charge. Sometimes it's better to step right back then move forwards.
New LP
19-06-2011, 03:59 PM
It makes me laugh how everyone who either hasn't ever had involvment with Palace or has left is a wanker.
In a general sense I agree with you, the moronic jeering of Jobi McAnuff, a player who scored one of the best Palace goals ever and should always receive a warm welcome, is a case in point.
However, you don't think that in this case it's maybe understandable that Palace fans dislike the guy given that he walked out on the club a few months into his contract. He himself admitted that treated Palace badly. I think he deserves wanker status alongside Miller, Claridge and one or two others.
New LP
19-06-2011, 04:04 PM
If we'd have become an established PL club (as great as that would have been) we'd still have Tango man as chairman and probably would never have had the consortium in charge. Sometimes it's better to step right back then move forwards.
Strange post. Jordan is a Palace fan also and it surely would of been great if he'd established us in the Premier League? The current people probably would of got involved anyway.
davemorris04
19-06-2011, 04:07 PM
If my aunty had bollocks she'd be my uncle
Chobham Eagle
19-06-2011, 08:45 PM
Didn't Bruce say at the time of leaving something along the lines of 'people close to me know my reasons for leaving' and then kept his counsel on the matter.
At the time I thought , yes we know your reason and that is greed and you are a disloyal bastard.
In hindsight, and now having more insight into the workings of SJ, I can be more generous in my feelings towards the guy.
Yes quite. He 'kept his counsel' because of Jordan's gagging order.
We would have had a good start and then faded in the second half, like all Steve Bruce sides.........
james powell
19-06-2011, 09:40 PM
Yawn... go back to bed & buy a season ticket! Bored shitless of all the posters 'in the know' on here knowing **** all
WTF? When did the OP ever say he was in the know?
Vince Hilaire's Afro
20-06-2011, 02:15 PM
I don't know why the OP has copped so much abuse for musing on an interesting subject.
My recollection of that season is that we played some great stuff, and all looked good. Kirovski seemed to be the missing link, and our style of football was the best I'd seen for a long time, and probably since (I think there was a game against Norwich at home where we looked very, very accomplished).
It was shitty that he decided to up sticks, but I guess not too dissimilar from the way we got him in the first place from Wigan. Interesting that they took him back eventually, which turned out to be quite a good move.
Looking at it objectively, it's hard to say what went on between him and Jordan behind the scenes, things that may have led him to his decision. But you have to say his subsequent success compared to ours suggests he made a good decision for himself personally, regardless of how ruthless it was. However, that does not defend his lack of loyalty and integrity.
My gut feeling is that if he'd have stayed, Palace would have had more success than they did subsequently under Francis, but Bruce would have had less success with us than he did with Birmingham and Wigan. I just feel that our club's infrastructure under Jordan was not set up for lasting success.
ElwissAtMemphis
20-06-2011, 06:48 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere recently that he'd said that he still has some regrets about how he left Palace (or did I imagine that?).
Would we be an established Premiership side if he'd stayed? Probably not.
Would we have done significantly better than we did under Trevor Francis? Without a doubt. What a bloody stupid, kneejerk appointment that was. It was never going to work out under the circumstances.
JAS78
20-06-2011, 07:00 PM
I think we would of been promoted under Bruce that season, we looked very strong the start of that campaign, home and away we had a buzz about us
Trevor Francis, could there have been a worse replacemant, a good guy who still talks well of Palace nothing against him, but Simon Jordan what were you thinking?
Probably hoped his ego would get a boost by appointing the sideways ex brum boss and he'd take us up, poor judgement
bowers
20-06-2011, 07:10 PM
Wouldn't a better "what if" surround us hanging on for 7 more minutes during the 1990 cup final or getting a European place after the 1991 season?
Steve Bruce and Simon Jordan would have gone their own ways sooner rather than later, no matter whether he took Palace into the Premiership or not. That's just how Simon Jordan interacted with managers.
Chris Finch
20-06-2011, 07:21 PM
I don't get all the hoo-ha about a managers loyalty in football.
If another company came to the majority of people offering a higher wage and improved working conditions, a lot of people would happily move on as it makes complete sense to the individual.
Unless you are managing your local/boyhood team which again leverages a warped sense of loyalty, you are likely to have little incentive to stay.
As soon as team is on the slide, managers get the blame and usually the chop regardless of who is at fault. Football is a ruthless business where people have to look out for number one at all times.
Typical Palace
20-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Football is a ruthless business where people are number twos at all times.
EFA
cpfc4evandeva
20-06-2011, 08:02 PM
A worse appointment than Trevor Francis? Plenty. Lets not forget that little more than a year before, Simon Jordan employed Alan Smith :(
And Francis for all the stick he gets, brought in some great players. Plus he masterminded two of the best results in the entire history of the club - Palace 5-0 Brighton & Liverpool 0-2 Palace.
I don't think we would have got promoted if Francis had stayed but equally, we were a rather solid if unspectacular team back then. One that we would most likely have beaten last season's team.
And give me Francis over Taylor every single day of the year.
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Vince Hilaire's Afro
20-06-2011, 08:28 PM
Would we have done significantly better than we did under Trevor Francis? Without a doubt. What a bloody stupid, kneejerk appointment that was. It was never going to work out under the circumstances.
Trevor Francis, could there have been a worse replacemant, a good guy who still talks well of Palace nothing against him, but Simon Jordan what were you thinking?
Probably hoped his ego would get a boost by appointing the sideways ex brum boss and he'd take us up, poor judgement
Yep, nice guy Trev but not a great appointment. Jas is spot on when he says it was all about Jordan's ego clouding his judgment. It's obvious he was hoping we would get promoted with the boss they'd discarded, and that they would fail with the boss they poached off him.
HurstpierPalace
20-06-2011, 08:33 PM
Strange post. Jordan is a Palace fan also and it surely would of been great if he'd established us in the Premier League? The current people probably would of got involved anyway.
Sure I appreciate he was a fan and I have no doubt he had our best interests at heart but I personally wasn't such a fan of the way he conducted business. Came across as kind of a wannabe gangster type at times.
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