Rubbish [Archive]

01-07-2000, 07:42 PM

Oisin, 3 years ago we averaged 14,000 as the ground only held 15,000 !

Since the return, we've basically hit or just been under capacity every season. Our club will make a big thing of selling out 18,000 season tickets instantly, but for me the big sign of loyalty and of a club heading the right direction was the fact we sold 16,000 season tickets within 6 weeks of being relegated. You can't call them supporters watching the likes of Tranmere, Grimsby and Crewe glory hunters, can you ? There was no guarantee of success, ask Blackburn or Forest fans, clubs with a much higher pedigree than ours.

I know your club is a laughing stock at the moment, and if you swallowed your pride, in the rebuilding of your club you have a prime example on your doorstep of the success a smaller club can have when run by the right people and marketed properly.

Oisin

01-07-2000, 09:15 PM

I thought the average was 12,000 and something. In fact that's what one of the Charlton posters here said (and it's closer to what I remember). What have ben the averages since the return to the Valley then?

Oisin

01-07-2000, 10:00 PM

I asked Jeeves about football attendences and got this.

The following table shows the total attendances drawn by each League club in the period 1988/89 to 1997/98 inclusive. The clubs are ranked in descending order of average attendance.

Total Games Avge.

1 Man. Utd. 8671281 198 43794

2 Liverpool 7436971 198 37560

3 Arsenal 6737835 198 34029

4 Leeds U 6238359 206 30283

5 Aston Villa 5783542 198 29210

6 Newcastle U 5987219 210 28511

7 Everton 5590703 198 28236

8 Tottenham H 5587509 198 28220

9 Man. City 5533714 210 26351

10 Sheff. Wed. 5218287 202 25833

11 Nottm Forest 4625524 204 22674

12 Chelsea 4430160 202 21931

13 West Ham U 4391496 208 21113

14 Middlesbro 4316893 216 19986

15 Wolves 4493361 230 19536

16 Sunderland 4317288 222 19447

17 Blackburn R 3642186 212 17180

18 Sheff. Utd. 3773968 220 17154

19 Derby Co. 3565039 210 16976

20 Crystal P 3452150 212 16284

21 Coventry C 3163110 198 15975

22 Norwich C 3342790 210 15918

23 Leicester C 3417874 220 15536

24 Southampton 3028366 198 15295

25 West Brom 3281095 230 14266

26 Ipswich T 3173211 224 14166

27 QPR 2835525 206 13765

28 Birmingham C 3049109 230 13257

29 Stoke C 3043442 230 13232

30 Bolton Wan. 2531043 222 11401

31 Wimbledon 2060770 198 10408

32 Portsmouth 2385495 230 10372

33 Swindon T 2351454 228 10313

34 Bristol C 2347114 230 10205

35 Oldham Ath. 2181593 224 9739

36 Millwall 2135016 222 9617

37 Burnley 2172916 228 9530

38 Watford 2183164 230 9492

39 Charlton Ath 2089754 222 9413

40 Barnsley 2021926 226 8947

ajp

01-07-2000, 10:26 PM

Typical that clown fans have to give us total cr@p about their embarrasingly low gates up to their time in the Premier'.cafc struggled to get more than 12,000 adverage(and it was often far lower) until their promotion to the top division.

Coke Addick your right that charlton is an example of a club that after being run the right way has become successful, I don't think anyone on this page would deny that. However your still charlton, your still a club with no rivals, your still a club who's fans sing "We are charlton from valley" how sad, and Palace whether you like it or not couldn't give a stuff about you.
So we hate Brighton!

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Neil MacQueen

02-07-2000, 05:08 PM

Strange Strange Strange Gavin.

Why bother? Our rivals are Millwall and we haven't played them competetavly for a few seasons now. Grow up mate

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Neil MacQueen

02-07-2000, 05:10 PM

I think Oison has just shown us something hasn't he Gaven!!!!

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02-07-2000, 10:56 PM

Interesting table Oisin, and i'm not suprised how low we are, considering it wasn't till about 95 / 96 that our ground only held 8,337 !!!

With clever marketing and the acceptability of being a Charlton supporter in the main catchment areas, the foundations of our support has been laid for many years to come.

You can throw loyalty jibes at our way, but if you moved to Gillingham for 5 years, you would see how quickly your own support would disappear.

As for the not hating us blah blah, we generally don't care whether you like us or not. I don't particularly like homosexuals, but i don't really care what they think of me !!!

I can understand why it is virtually a one sided rivalry (although sentiments among some Palarse fans is changing in recent years). If the situation was reversed 15 years ago, our feelings towards each other would be the complete opposite to what they are now.

I think you would agree with that as well.

Oisin

03-07-2000, 03:17 AM

Anyone who has read Marx's work on the hostility between landlord and tenant will understand why Charlton (and Wimbledon) have a grudge against the Palace. Anything recipricated is just reacting to that hostiliy.
Don't try and excuse attendences. There were very few sell outs during that period. Charlton have **** loads of glory hunters just like we did a few years ago.

ajp

03-07-2000, 06:30 AM

Coke Addick. A few things that need clearing up here, I think. If Palace did move to Gillingham our attendences would of course drop. However weren't clownton on about 3,000 at Selhurst when you squatted at our place, we'd never go down that low in gates, never ever and you know it.

Secondly your speaking yet more rubbish to say that you don't care if we hate you or not, why are you coming on this Palace BBS then? I would of thought that if you really didn't care then you'd be spending time on your own pages talking about your season in the Premiership to come, but no your still ranting on and on, on this page aren't you!

The fact is that cafc have spent the last 15 years with a massive grudge against Palace. All those flags with we hate Palace written on them which your tiny away supports used to drap over the empty seats at away grounds, or didn't you go then? Or that 'wheels on the bus song which you sing, which is a disgrace.(so much for your being a family club) Or those trips to valley when we came out of the ground and faced verbel abuse from your lot. You clearly do care if we hate you and so don't try and turn things around here.

Finally if our fans our getting p!ssed off with you then it's not suprising is it the amount of abuse we are given. Go and start being rivals with Wimbledon or some other non-entity side you can identify with.

Rolling Mist

03-07-2000, 01:45 PM

strange,

i always thought we sang "We are Charlton, Covered End", not "From Valley".

Palarse fans trying to sing our songs and getting the words wrong.....whatever next.

Did you hear the words to "We'll never play you again" correctly?

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-03-2000 09:45 AM
Did you hear the words to "We'll never play you again" correctly?

With the financial mess looking like it may be sorted (fingers still crossed) that little chant may come back to haunt you a lot sooner than you think. In truth most people didn't hear that one because, as the rain was streaming onto you in the Arthur Wait stand they were too busy singing "what's it like to have a wash?". You never answered that question http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/supergrin.gif

Fester

03-07-2000, 02:05 PM

So, just the 1 and 1/3 MILLION more people have watched Palace than Charlton over that period then......... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/supergrin.gif

Gooders

03-07-2000, 03:13 PM

I work with a girlie who comes from Charlton's locale.

She's been showing a teeny bit of interest in them recently.

I said "but I thought you were a Moan Utd fan?"... http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/sarcblink.gif

And her reply "well I was because Charlton have always been **** but now that they're doing OK I decided I should support them"...

Nuff said.

Rolling Mist

03-07-2000, 05:15 PM

I could only just hear that "wash" chant actually, cos i was too busy celebrating kitson's 87th minute winner.

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 05:23 PM

Nice attempted sidestep but you didn't answer the question http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Riccardo 'the cat'Parrini

03-07-2000, 05:26 PM

So have you signed anyone, sorry, Kitson then ???
http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/supergrin.gif Quality Premiership player for a Quality Premiership club.

James Verrinder

03-07-2000, 05:35 PM

20fa

Lets not forget Svensson. remember how they thought they had got the bagain of the century? 1 goal in how many games?

On another note- this is all true- a sports ground near me was taken over by gypsies and when we turned up for our 5 a side league, have three guesses what kit the little pikies were wearing...

100% Palace

03-07-2000, 05:37 PM

The pikies never answered the question "Whats the point in goin up?" either.

GAVIN

03-07-2000, 06:37 PM

I agree that Charlton did have some small crowds. They have been working hard to get back the support that was lost during our times at Selhurst and Upton Park.

The fact is that Charlton are a very well run club unlike Palace or until recently Millwall. Palace made a big mistake in throwing good money after bad (Lombardo etc.)
Foreign players tend not to have the same commitment as locally born ones. Charlton have a good youth setup and have produced some good players (one of which West Ham poached).

I will ignore the petty retorts to my comment. All I was doing was starting up a bit of discussion.

Holmesdale Block C

03-07-2000, 06:48 PM

GAVIN
"Palace made a big mistake in throwing good money after bad (Lombardo etc.)"

Are you blind or just stupid? Did you not see Lombardo play? Charlton have never had a player of that quality (and never will)

See Ya In 2001/02

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James Verrinder

03-07-2000, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by GAVIN on 06-30-2000 04:42 PM
THE REASON THAT CHARLTON HAVE NO RIVALS IS THAT ALL THE OTHER LOCAL SIDES ARE RUBBISH

Thats hardly starting a discussion. Thats making a statement. What has being rubbish got to do with being a rival anyway? Look at Arsenal/Spurs, Man Utd/Man City, Us/Brighton. Theres a difference in quality in all of them and loads more. In response to your statement, perhaps the only reason that you have no real rivals is that the Old bill move you on before you get time to start any rivalries??

Rival clubs also have histories and stories between them, the fact that the Charlton story looks like a Status Quo world tour programme oesnt help you out either. You are a club on th eoutside trying (and failing) to get in with the rest of us and resort to saying nobdy is your rival because NOBODY ACTUALLY CARES OR WANTS YOU

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by GAVIN on 07-03-2000 02:37 PM
I will ignore the petty retorts to my comment. All I was doing was starting up a bit of discussion.

You can do that much more effectively by being polite. As the saying goes, you never get a second chance at a first impression.

Rolling Mist

03-07-2000, 06:51 PM

the point in going up?

what are palarse trying to achieve then if they see no point in going up - why bother playing at all then. what are palarse's targets for each season - picture the scene, Coppout walks into the changing rooms "right lads lets lose this one and the next and the one after that - mid table medicrity will do for us"

you narrow minded waste of space.

why not just stop extending deadlines and let your poxy little club die if thats the way you feel.

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 07:03 PM

Looks like we hit a nerve somewhere. Sorry Rolling, you were looking a more interesting poster than most of the away fans but this one seems to have dropped you back into the pack. I guess this means you wouldn't be interested in coming to the BBS p!ss-up then?

100% Palace

03-07-2000, 07:10 PM

"Let your poxy little club die"

But I don't support Brighton !

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-03-2000 02:51 PM
"right lads lets lose this one and the next and the one after that - mid table medicrity will do for us"

Many a truth said in jest. My other team of Hartlepool (Christ, can I pick them or what) has had a few more financial difficulties than Palace, even resorting on one occassion to locking the directors inside the clubhouse so the bailiffs couldn't serve foreclosure papers on them. There were a couple of times though when they were looking odds on for promotion before being told to drop a few points in the remaining games because the club wouldn't be able to afford the costs of playing in a higher division next year.

James Verrinder

03-07-2000, 07:21 PM

[quote]Originally posted by GAVIN on 07-03-2000 02:37 PM

Foreign players tend not to have the same commitment as locally born ones. Charlton have a good youth setup and have produced some good players (one of which West Ham poached).

So.... Illic, Pringle, Salako, Svensson, Stuart, Hunt, Kitson,Mendonca,Redfearn,Barnes. All perfect examples of th eCharlton youth policy eh?The last time you went up it was with a team of clapped out old journeyman that made Bradford look young! If you were ever in the position to buy a current Italian international you would but you have to survive on players from such footballing hotbeds as Grimsby, WBA and then sign John Barnes in the hope that he could keep you up!! And what happened to the great hope, Danny Mills?? Has he even got near the Leeds bench this season?

100% Palace

03-07-2000, 07:24 PM

In Charlton's case they wont need a manager telling them to lose each game, next season it will come naturally.

Clapham Grand

03-07-2000, 07:28 PM

Gavin, why don't you go and watch a Vienna side instead? More entertaining than your bunch of muppets

GAVIN

03-07-2000, 07:30 PM

I initially put my ****e comment on the page to wind up a Palace supporting mate that views and posts on this site.

Our youth policy has produced Shaun Newton, Richard Rufus, Scott Parker.
Not to mention Robert Lee, Lee Bowyer, Paul Elliott, Paul Walsh in the past.

As for journeymen I think Palace have had a few in their time.

Rolling Mist

03-07-2000, 07:35 PM

Riccardo,

not signing kitson as he's not what we need....great loan signing just for the goal at yours though - his only goal at that.

Impeccable timing.

As for a response to others - M A W, one good posting deserves another, and reciprocity applies here. The "Whats the point in going up" posting was dire (not Brucey boys), so it got what it deserved in return.

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by GAVIN on 07-03-2000 03:30 PM
I initially put my ****e comment on the page to wind up a Palace supporting mate that views and posts on this site.

But a few posts ago you said "All I was doing was starting up a bit of discussion". Now there are a few words that could be used to describe you as you make these opposing statements.

You're not an administrator are you? http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

James Verrinder

03-07-2000, 07:37 PM

It has also kept many a Morrocan, Columbian, Bolivian family from starving hasnt it.

I never said we didnt ever have journeymen, you criticised a high profile, international signing-something that Charlton have never done. I dare say that when we were throwing silly monet about to try and stay up we got a couple of planks but they were still leagues above John Barnes and Neil Redfearn. An easy way to settle it would be compare youth products...we have produced players like Southgate, Salako, Shaw, Ndah, who have either won England caps or been sold for very large transfer fees. And yours did a few kick ups in a McDonalds ad.

Rolling Mist

03-07-2000, 07:38 PM

Gavin,

can i assume you were (or should that be "are") always the last pick in the playground at school.

http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Rolling Mist

03-07-2000, 07:42 PM

James,

I'll let you take back that Southgate comment if you want.

mcdonalds ads - pizza ads.

difference being what exactly, other than i can't remember rob lee missing a pen for england that put us out of a major comp.

100% Palace

03-07-2000, 07:44 PM

I cant remember Rob Lee doing anything for England.

Justin

03-07-2000, 07:49 PM

Gavin, if your four examples are all that your youth policy has produced in the last twenty years it should be shut down immediately. Has any of them ever played more than a couple of Internationals? Even Millwall have a better record than you. If you care to look at who Palace have nurtered either from youth or as cheap buys from Div 3 type sides then you can really see how to develop players. Sansom, Nicholas, Fenwick,Wright,Thomas, Gray,Salako,Southgate,Coleman. I could list more but think you will find that 5 of those have captained their country and another one is now Arsenal's leading scorer. Ah yes but you did produce Paul Walsh!!! Note I haven't included Mullins and Morrison who are probably even now worth more then Rufus and Parker because they do not warrant inclusion yet despite the fact your doomed lot seem very interested in them but don't have enough cash, even for us bankrupts!!

Gooders

03-07-2000, 07:51 PM

Do we all get to stand in a semi-circle soon shouting "fight, fight, fight"?

James Verrinder

03-07-2000, 07:51 PM

Rob Lee played a bit part for England years after leaving you. I'll rephrase it slightly for Gavins benefit- when was the last time a current Charlton player represented England?

I should take back the McDonald comment because he wasnt even at Charllton then! He was tipped for great things and what has your team done to the poor kid?

Men At Work

03-07-2000, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-03-2000 03:35 PM
As for a response to others - M A W, one good posting deserves another, and reciprocity applies here. The "Whats the point in going up" posting was dire (not Brucey boys), so it got what it deserved in return.

If you mean the "The pikies never answered the question "Whats the point in goin up?" either" then I'd agree with you over the use of 'pikies' - a term I don't like at all. As for the chant the going up one is effectively saying 'you are going into a higher devision and will get badly beaten and we will find that amusing, especially when you fall back down into this division next season'. The never play you again chant equates to 'you're going bust, ha, ha, ha'. Both are an expression of schadenfreude but the scale of them differs somewhat.

03-07-2000, 08:08 PM

[quote]Originally posted by James Verrinder on 07-03-2000 03:37 PM

I never said we didnt ever have journeymen, you criticised a high profile, international signing-something that Charlton have never done.

******

I dare say you're too young to remember Alan Simonsen ??

European footballer of the year at time of signing. Would piss on Lombaldo, they led us up a similar financial path.

James Verrinder

03-07-2000, 08:14 PM

i admit that I have not heard of Alan Simonsen. but then if he was that good I probably would have. I'm sure you are ready to give us his credentials...

eagle mart

03-07-2000, 08:35 PM

I have heard of Sailor Brown!

Oisin

03-07-2000, 10:53 PM

I've not heard of that fella either. Who was he?

04-07-2000, 12:59 AM

Alan Simonsen, best ever player to wear a Charlton shirt .Shame we could'nt afford to keep him.
Even bigger shame was the fact that the other 10 players in the team were not at his level.
I think I'm right in saying Simonsen put England out of the Europe Champs.with a penalty at Wembly in 1984 .
Believe me, if we or anybody else signed a player like him today he would proberly be called Zidane (I think that’s the right spelling )he really was that good .
Just gos to show,you don't get much for your money nowdays.

04-07-2000, 02:36 AM

I might be wrong, memory is playing up, but i think he arrived from Barcelona in 82/83. He was the current European Footballer of the Year at the time.

Since my attempt at a sensible post last night, i see that yet again, the glory hunters jibe has resurfaced.

It wasn't to many years ago that in the North East, the recognised 'hotbed' of football, Middlesborough were getting 5,000 at Ayresome Park (have you heard of there James !!!), and both Newcastle and Sunderland were getting around 12,000. Don't see these clubs being called glory hunters, nor Derby, who now average 30,000 and five years ago averaged around 11,000.

So if you feel that us having 16,000 season ticket holders in the 1st division, and selling out home areas for every league game is glory hunting, you're even more blinkered than i thought.

Gooders

04-07-2000, 03:07 AM

Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember Simonsen. Foreign players were a rarity in those days (especially at teams like Charlton).

He was past his best, though still a good player (rather like Lombardo, if truth be told).

Still, we were there before you with the renowned Borge Thorup. Class.

Evil Eagle

04-07-2000, 12:59 PM

[quote]Originally posted by GAVIN on 07-03-2000 03:30 PM
I initially put my ****e comment on the page to wind up a Palace supporting mate that views and posts on this site.

Gavin
If you were out to wind me up then you failed miserably, and answer one more question for me mate. Why is certain people in the office, who have pretented to have no interest in football suddenly claiming to be Charton fans?

I think that just about proves that most of your fans are nothing but glory hunters, because they weren't around during your darkest era. Unlike Palace fans who have supported their club through thick and thin.

PALACE TILL I DIE.

Rolling Mist

04-07-2000, 01:53 PM

Evil Eagle and Gavin,

where is your office exactly - Broadmoor?

Riccardo 'the cat'Parrini

04-07-2000, 02:18 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-03-2000 03:35 PM
Riccardo,

not signing kitson as he's not what we need....great loan signing just for the goal at yours though - his only goal at that.

Impeccable timing.
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I think that is a fair point http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/furious.gif
.....so, who have you signed then RM ???

Good point about the office fun at Broadmoor as well - see ya next year.
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Evil Eagle

04-07-2000, 02:34 PM

No Rolling Mist it a futures commodities brokers office just off Cannon Street if your that interested.

Rolling Mist

04-07-2000, 02:40 PM

no, not really

GAVIN

04-07-2000, 02:45 PM

I could have gone further with my list of youth team success at Charlton. I just thought I would list the players that the younger members of this site would know.
Regardless of this both Charlton and Palace have suffered from having to sell their good players either due to greedy directors or financial restraints.

My point about Lombardo was not to say that he was no good. He was and is a very good player but was to point out that at that time Palace put themselves in financial difficulties with their transfer dealings.
Craig Moore is one that springs to mind.

Millwall did the same by spending a fortune on their shoebox stadium + 2 russian players on huge wages who semmed more interested in drink driving along the Old Kent road than playing football.

Gooders

04-07-2000, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by GAVIN on 07-04-2000 10:45 AM
Millwall did the same by spending a fortune on their shoebox stadium + 2 russian players on huge wages who semmed more interested in drink driving along the Old Kent road than playing football.

And who tried to sign them before they joined Millwall? http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/sarcblink.gif

A lucky escape for once!

Justin

04-07-2000, 11:14 PM

I can't really disagree with much of anything any of the Charlton fans have posted. I like to think we are a bigger club who are obviously not as good at them at the moment although that won't last long-due to them coming back down not because we are going up incidentally. That is what banter is about- singing "whats the point in going up" is excellent and along these lines. We both have glory hunters (witness 52,000 against Burnley and how many at the play offs and Zenith Dta etc) but most of each support is more loyal tham most. What I can't stand is the Chelsea type glory hunters. Before their first cup final in 1994 they had 12,000 at a league game in the midweek prior to Wembley. They, before Harding came along, were just like Palace from the mid 70's onwards. In fact they were less succesful as we were in many more semi finals of the two cups in the 20 years prior to the mid 90's. Yet they now make out they are this huge club and I hate it. Its probably why so many got taken in by Goldberg because we truly wanted to believe we had our own Jack Walker or Harding. Truth be told for Palace and Charlton I prefer it how it is. We see a few good young players be developed, have a little bit of "success" then fall back down again. Its why going on away trips, to say Tranmere, is such fun. The atmoshpere is better, we don't pretend we are all-conquering and can have a laugh. The same as it is for Charlton. You will take thousands (hopefully make more noise than you did at Selhurst) to the away games next season and have one big party. Hopefully you will stay up just to stick two fingers up to the so called big boys. That is more fun than supporting some "big" club and going away with some sh*t attitude about being better than everyone else. If the Chelsea type attitude continues football in this country will just die because like any fashion it has peaks and troughs and when it collapses the type of people currently being prevented from going will just say poke it I am not coming back.

Not quite sure where that rant came from but all I am saying really is enjoy the moment Gypos because its what football should be about. Dreaming that you can improve, like Forest did in the late 70's under Clough.

By the way Brighton are our only rivals!!

GAVIN

05-07-2000, 01:01 PM

I agree with most of what Justin has to say. I am not too sure why we are called Pikies.
Greenwich has some of the most expensive housing in South London.
Surely it is Millwall that deserve this name.
Just look at the areas their support comes from. Although a lot of them have been moved on for yuppie flats to be built.
Thanks for saying you hope we stay up. In a way I was disappointed that Wimbledon went down as they were a massive two fingers up to the FA

Gooders

05-07-2000, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by GAVIN on 07-05-2000 09:01 AM
Thanks for saying you hope we stay up. In a way I was disappointed that Wimbledon went down as they were a massive two fingers up to the FA

That's true Gavin but teams like Wimbledon (and Leicester) being relatively successful whilst hoofing the ball all over the place and being "fit and strong" are precisely the reason why the English game is at such a low ebb at the moment.

It sticks in the craw a bit but at least your lot play football, and have done for as long as I can remember. That's why you (and Barnsley) usually get the sympathy vote whilst you're up there.

What annoyed me most about your support on your last visit to Selhurst Park was the obvious development of a fair amount of arrogance about your position in relation to ours.

True Charlton fans should, and probably do, know better than to crow too much - it'll only come back to haunt you. That, more than anything, implied to me that there are a fair number of "nouveau" fans at your place these days.

And before anyone says "we would do the same, if we were in their shoes" can I just say that no, we wouldn't. I have never heard Palace sing "we'll never play you again" and I don't expect I ever will. We didn't even sing it to Brighton or Millwall!

05-07-2000, 02:14 PM

We'll never play you again.

It depends on how you interpreted that. If you saw it as 'we're going up to the prem, up yours palarse' then, yes it would smack of arrogance.
I don't think it was intended as that though. It was a light hearted retort at your current financial difficulties and the fact it looked like you could go up the wall.

You've got to admit it was original !!!

Men At Work

05-07-2000, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Coke Addick on 07-05-2000 10:14 AM
It was a light hearted retort at your current financial difficulties and the fact it looked like you could go up the wall.

Jesus, I'd hate to hear what you consider heavy handed then. Are you the sort of person who goes up to terminally ill people and says "cheer up, you won't have to paint the house next year"?

Clapham Grand

05-07-2000, 02:23 PM

I have to admit that I chuckled a bit when you sang "Bye bye to the Nationwide"

Booing during the half-time speeches about the Trust was unforgivable

GAVIN

05-07-2000, 03:13 PM

I thought the wheels on the bus song would've upset me more if it had been a Charlton fan killed.
I did not sing this or whistle at half time.

If Palace had folded which looks unlikely then Charlton would have to settle or just hating Millwall.

Evil Eagle

05-07-2000, 03:50 PM

There nothing wrong with a bit of banter, but when you start booing during the trust speeche on saving their club it not just unforgivable, its a total disgrace.

When Charlton started their project on returning to the Valley, I don't think there was a football fan in the country that didn't back their plight on playing football at their spirtual home.

At the end of the day football clubs need their own identity and I one day look forward to the day when the squatter's finally return to playing football on their own ground.

Charlton did what they had to do to ensure that their club had a future. So please don't knock us in our quest to ensure ours because its dam right hipocritical behaviour.

By the way Brighton are our main rivals.

PALACE TILL I DIE

Riccardo 'the cat'Parrini

05-07-2000, 05:53 PM

wholes or holes.

Anyway we are the bigger club - and will always will be; if we can get some stable financial backing. Charlton teaming up with Inter Milan (which in a way has to be admired) may put them on the European map slightly, but if they cannot stay in the Premiership there's no point of any co-operation between the two clubs.

I can see Charlton becoming a bit like we were - yo-yoing between the Premiership and Division One.

Justin

05-07-2000, 06:10 PM

Riccardo that is the only part of Goldberg's promise that he has fulfilled. He always said he would stop us being a yo-yo club!

Rolling Mist

05-07-2000, 06:30 PM

Hand on heart I can honestly say that there was no booing during your half-time speeches about your trust.

this argument has been going on ever since your defeat - and every time we keep saying that we couldn't hear a fekkin word anyone was saying cos the PA system is absolute garbage at the back of the Arthur Waite. All i can remember is singing Valley Floyd Road during the half-time break, and reading the programme which seemed to be written by a couple of brothers and A.N. Other.

Rolling Mist

05-07-2000, 06:35 PM

And another thing - the "We'll never play you again" chant.

Why can't this be viewed as charlton fans believing that their team is much much stronger second time round in the Premier League and that we'll be staying there and establishing ourselves as a big club like we used to be back around the 40s.

While we're staying in the top flight, you'll still be struggling in the 1st or going on to better things and playing local kick arounds with Millwall using jumpers for goalposts.

Men At Work

05-07-2000, 06:38 PM

Rolling, here's some more straws for you to clutch at http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif

Justin

05-07-2000, 06:46 PM

Rolling, as much as I would like you to stay up your team is cr*p. Rufus is probaly ok as is Kinsella. Robinson is a complete c*nt but I thought he was quite good but he wasn't a regular last season. As for the rest like Pringle, Mendosa and the ex Palace left back they are pants. That is why Palace think last season's league was so weak. When we were Champs and got relegated the following season we had the likes of Southgate, Armstrong, Martyn, Shaw ( i thought was cr*p but ever present at Coventry and player of the season)and Coleman. the premier league is even stronger now and yet I doubt Charlton have one player as good as any of those. But all the same good luck!!

James Verrinder

05-07-2000, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-05-2000 02:35 PM

Why can't this be viewed as charlton fans believing that their team is much much stronger second time round in the Premier League and that we'll be staying there and establishing ourselves as a big club like we used to be back around the 40s.
.

but do you SERIOUSLY think that that is the case? chalton had a superb season, it hurts to say, and deserved to go up.But you will struggle-almost everyone does. I'm sure you will agree that the side that beat us needs a striker, a centre back annd maybe two midfielders to have realistic chance of staying up. Then you fall into the trap signing players. The only ones available to newly promoted clubs are foreigners who dont get first team football, aging veterans and up and coming youngsters. Look at us buying Padavano as an example, it came to the stage when there was nobody else. Established Premiership players dont want to take a risk so the choices are limited to the likes of Padavano, Hristov, Redfearn, McCall, Dean Saunders. Good luck next year but you cant really think that is going to be that easy for you!

Gooders

05-07-2000, 07:10 PM

No, I'm sorry Rolling - slagging our programme just smacks of small-mindedness.

It's won best in the league two years running and prior to that only came second because the Leicester one was so good.

And the excuses about shouting down the trust statement won't wash either. I know you couldn't hear it because I've been in that stand recently and I would also agree with anyone who said that on that occasion the speech went on too long BUT you all knew what was going on and you still drowned it out for those that wanted to (and could) hear it.

Do you lot yell during the minutes silences too and whistle through every other country's National Anthem?

I thought diplomatic relations had been restored on here recently. Now you can shove it.

Riccardo 'the cat'Parrini

05-07-2000, 07:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-05-2000 02:35 PM
Why can't this be viewed as charlton fans believing that their team is much much stronger second time round in the Premier League and that we'll be staying there and establishing ourselves as a big club like we used to be back around the 40s.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Back in the 40's...the good old days.

http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Rolling Mist

05-07-2000, 08:58 PM

easy gooders, its only a programme for christ's sake

Rolling Mist

05-07-2000, 08:59 PM

you palarse fans really are desperate, trying to cling on to whatever scraps of pride and dignity you can muster

Men At Work

05-07-2000, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Rolling Mist on 07-05-2000 04:59 PM
you palarse fans really are desperate, trying to cling on to whatever scraps of pride and dignity you can muster

I don't think there will be much dignity tonight http://www.cpfc.org/ubb/smile.gif Come along Rolling, I'll buy you a pint.

James Verrinder

05-07-2000, 09:07 PM

Well we will have a lot more of that since we've now been bought wont we!!

Oisin

05-07-2000, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Coke Addick on 07-05-2000 10:14 AM
We'll never play you again.

It depends on how you interpreted that. If you saw it as 'we're going up to the prem, up yours palarse' then, yes it would smack of arrogance.
I don't think it was intended as that though. It was a light hearted retort at your current financial difficulties and the fact it looked like you could go up the wall.

You've got to admit it was original !!!

It's not original. It's a ManU song they sung to City and also to us last time we were relegated.

05-07-2000, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Justin on 07-05-2000 02:46 PM
That is why Palace think last season's league was so weak.

Is this the same league that was so weak, you only just managed to stay up in ??

06-07-2000, 04:57 AM

For the final time, no one was booing about the trust because no one could bloody hear a word she was saying.

Any of you who sit at the back of the Arthur Waite regularly will tell you that it is nigh on impossible to hear someone on the pitch with a microphone, especially when a group of fans are singing 'one goal went past Perry...' for ten minutes.

Is that excuse of a stand going to be closed next season or what ? No wonder you complain we wasn't very loud, the sound kept escaping through the wholes in the roof !!!

Justin

06-07-2000, 12:24 PM

I completely agree. We were very lucky that it was so cr*p because any other season we would proably have got a record low points score. With essentially two good players we managed to stay up purely because of Sir Steve and the players had total commiitment. No Palace fan would say we were good though, but don't forget we haven't bought a player for nearly two years even on a free transfer.

If only when we had been promoted throughout the nineties we had shown the same committment allied to the very good players we had then we would now be better off than the likes of Leicster. Problem was the team who reached both semis in the same season_(losing to Liverpool and Man U -after a replay) thought the league was easy and only raised themselves for the cup games and hence we came fourth from bottom and were relegated.

08-07-2000, 07:06 PM

The guy who started this thread misses the point completely. Rivalries are things that grow over years and years, they are part of the individual tradition and history of football clubs in the same way as the colours that club wears or the honours that a club has (or in our case hasn't!) won. For Palace fans hating Brighton is a vital part of what we stand for. Whilst the football itself is part of any rivalry it goes a lot deeper than this. I lived in Hampshire for a few years and even though Southampton and Portsmouth rarely meet the hatred between the two borders on obsessional. Just wait until Blackburn and Burnley or Blades and Wednesday meet next season, the atmosphere at these games will be cracking because despite the recent differences in ability between these clubs rivalries like that never cease. I'm really hoping (as I do every season) that we will draw the Seaweed scum in one of the cups next season because it would be a memorable occassion and atmosphere. It would put the one sided boring hatred that emanates from the charlton fans during our 'derby games' with them fully into perspective. But then you wouldn't expect charlton fans to understand rivalry because they've always been ignored. Having said that to quote one of the Palace fanzines last season 'there is always room for a little Millwall hating as well!'.

08-07-2000, 07:12 PM

One other thing Rolling Mist. The point of your lot singing 'we'll never play you again'(incidently first sung by Fulham to Gillingham so not very original) wasn't as some kind of jovial lighthearted reference to staying in the premiership nest season. At least be honest about this, the implication was that there would be no Crystal Palace to play again as we'd of gone bust. Stop glossing over things please.

08-07-2000, 08:47 PM

Quick point LP, as you say rivalries is something that grows over years. But how can you seriously expect Palace supporters who have only started going in the last ten years to hate Brighton when they haven't even seen the two sides play ???

As for Charlton haven't got rivals so they are ignored, we haven't got rivals because we are a harmless well run small club with decent family support, that is pretty much respected by all other clubs in the land. How often do you ever get a bad word said against Charlton ??

I'm quite happy with it staying that way thanks. You make a big thing of saying to us you don't hate us but you can never get it through to your head that we don't bloody care either what you think !!!

Why would we want anyone to hate us ? I'd much rather follow the club that everyone likes.

Evil Eagle

10-07-2000, 06:39 PM

2170

Coke Addick

How can you say that Charlton are nothing but a decent, harmless family club. Whenever I attended a match at the Valley I hear nothing but racist remarks address towards Black players.

And if your not bothered about having any rivals, then why do you guys always sing "Palace reject" at our ex players who play at your poxy ground.

PALACE TILL I DIE.

Rolling Mist

11-07-2000, 01:12 PM

Evil Eagle,

you are full of absolute twoddle - do us all a favour and go home and play with gavin will you.

Evil Eagle

11-07-2000, 02:21 PM

Rolling Mist

I go one better, how would you like it if I played with ya Mother.

Rolling Mist

11-07-2000, 02:44 PM

By all means do, thats if you're into necrophilia - you may have a hard job getting to the coffin though.

Evil Eagle

11-07-2000, 02:55 PM

Well after raising a sad total prick like yourself the poor old girl though she had fail in her quest to bring up a decent person after producing you.

Rolling Mist

11-07-2000, 03:05 PM

i would reply to your last posting but i can't work out what language its written in

exiled in Wales

11-07-2000, 03:44 PM

I work for a company with the slowest internet connection in history - thus reading through 7 pages will probably get me sacked. However it was worth it... quality entertainment. A good bit of Gypo baiting, just what you need.

A quick word for Evil Eagle and Rolling:

Fight, fight, fight.....

Evil Eagle

11-07-2000, 03:44 PM

Back onto footballing issue.

Rolling Mist
I seem to get the impression that I hit a raw nerve When commenting that your club is full of racist supporter.

Does the truth hurt then?

Rolling Mist

11-07-2000, 05:00 PM

Evil,

your impressions serve you badly. i said you were full of sh*te cos you were spouting out your arse. If you think charlton is full of racist supporters then i can only guess you have no clue about football or its fans.

When it comes to kicking racism out of football, charlton is the country's leading club in dealing with racists and forming and implenting anti-racism policies. This is why the football task force was launched at the valley.
The club has red, white and black days which involves the community and local schools, and is aimed directly at involving ethnic minorities and making them feel welcome at the club - it is as much theirs as anybodys.

i would even go as far to say that we probably have a higher proportion of black supporters at the club than any other team in london because we were one of the first clubs to tackle the racism issue up front.

In your earlier posting you said that "Whenever I attended a match at the Valley I hear nothing but racist remarks address towards Black players." I can only suggest that you stop sitting with the away fans then.

But if it was a home fan that you heard, then you can always write to the club and make a formal complaint, and i'm sure they will continue to do their absolute utmost to rectify this problem that can be found much more readily at other grounds across the country.

11-07-2000, 05:05 PM

Rolling, ignore him mate. he is an embarrassment to all the decent Palace fans who must have sat there cringing at his last few posts.

They all know fair well that there are a few things they can throw our way, but racism certainly isn't one of them.

eagle mart

11-07-2000, 05:20 PM

hmmmm.... still think you're a family club!?!? Heard of the B: Mob? They're a group of clowns trying to make a name for themselves. If you look at the membership list you see that one of their kind has registered here as well.....squirm in your seat Rolling..

"Yes, before you all say it, we do have a family club image. Some are proud of this, some are not, as it tends to generate a lot of
ridicule from our nearest & dearest rivals Millwall, and I am the first to admit we are not in their league when it comes to firms.
Charltons hooligan element stems from the early 70's like most clubs, tales of original skinheads fighting in the covered end,
steel toe cap boots (before they were banned at the Valley). The original mob spent their time drinking and fighting their way
around the lower reaches of the old 2nd & 3rd divisions, days spent at Rotherham, Rochdale, northampton, Wigan, Brighton,
Orient Portsmouth etc. In fact one of my mates dad was in that original mob from the 70's. I would imagine then it was the
mass brawling we all know from old documentaries and books. Some of this original mob can still be seen at Charlton and are
universally known as the Fatties, and only really turn out for the big games. In the early 80's a younger element came through
known as the B-mob, 30-40 strong hardcore, the name came (so I am told) from the section they used to sit in when the
covered end was first made all seater. This group were a fairly small but violent group, and contrary to popular belief even used
to get some results against the likes of Millwall in those days. When the club left the Valley for Selhurst Park in Sep 1985 this
group dwindled, but we could and did get some large turn outs of B-mob, old faces and new faces for Palace and some others
(200 at Chelsea late 80's when we sent them to be ultimately relegated via the play offs) The biggest firm I have ever seen at
Charlton was around 89/90 at Selhurst against Palace, 300-400 lads, ATTACKED (yes attacked) by OB at the Queens
Arms/Head? in Norwood, 8 people in court for affray charges, guess what all thrown out by the Jury due to the barmaids
evidence. Yet to see a mob that size since, these days there is a hardcore of 30 or so, with others who join up when they know
its definitely called on. Getting better organization by the day, as QPR and Portsmouth know this season, and Norwich
(remember the pub and the proceeding court case boys) & Bristol City* know from recent seasons, not a large firm by any
means but as game as any you will find.

* see Brimson's Derby Days book "

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Rolling Mist

11-07-2000, 05:49 PM

why should i squirm, mart?

i'm sure they'd much rather kick your head in, but thats probably not what you were refering to. do you mean i shouldn't be so cock-sure about my club being a family club? don't worry i'm not, on average there's a fight break out every other home game just between the disagreeing home fans.

i'm sure as season ticket holders we all get f***ed off with a number of people who sit around us and don't have a clue what they're on about. they deserve a pasting if they keep it up if you ask me - hang on, that's not in line with free speech is it - damn it, i'm such a hypocrite.

Evil Eagle

11-07-2000, 07:21 PM

Rolling Mist & Coke Addick

It seems very obvious that I have hit a raw nerve as I was just pointing out that your not a family club as coke Addick was claiming earlier.

Rolling Mist you say you go as far to say that Charlton have a higher proportion of black supporters at the club than any other London club. Then where are they? Because I seen more at Arsenal and spurs.

Coke Addick if Charlton image is so whiter than white then why are Charlton one of the first clubs in the country to implent a kick racism out of football policy?

History will always serve that the clubs who first adopted this policies all have or had a problem with racism.

Those that always deny are the ones with something to hide.

enought said.

Rolling Mist

11-07-2000, 07:33 PM

yeah, nice one evil, great argument.

so which came first, the chicken or the egg.

****.

ajp

11-07-2000, 10:38 PM

No it is you Rolling Mist who is speaking total twoddle. Without meaning to get drawn into the, are charlton a racist club debate too much I can tell you that I witnessed the worst racial attack I've ever seen at football, led by some Charlton fans, whilst waiting to get a train after a Palace match at Valley. Other Charlton fans even apologised to the Palace fan they were so ashamed. So again you'd have more credability if you just admitted you had some problems with racism, your not alone in that after all but it's easier just to deny it isn't it! Secondly whenever I've been to charlton we've always received abuse, always, and of course always one sided. This then makes your claim that you don't care if we hate you yet more rubbish, because you clearly do.

Also rivalries have nothing to do with how well run and family oriantated a club is, it's to do with history and credibility and locality. Palace hate the seaweed and yes I speak as a younger supporter, and that's the way it is and Charlton will never be able to gate-crash the party.

Rolling-mist/Cokeaddick and any other charlon fan who reads this just ask yourselves, If the table were turned and we were just going in to the Premiership do you really think we'd all be wasting our time coming on your web sites and all that? Of course we wouldn't cos we ignore you. It's a source of minor irratatation that your doing well but that's more because it emphasises our own plight than anything else, there are teams in the Premiership I hate far more than Charlton, good luck to you when you play the likes of man utd, chelsea, arsenal and the rest.

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12-07-2000, 03:17 AM

AJP and Evil Prick, this is my last post on this subject, because you are clearly only reading what you want to read and not what i say.

Too make a big thing about Charlton having a hooligan element is laughable, and everyone knows it. Sure, there's enough blokes that would join in, the same as every other club if something happened. But where it comes to those who go out to cause trouble, you know full well that we are in the conference league.

The racism argument is even more laughable. Evil seems to think that because we instigated the kick racism out of football campaign, we must have a problem. We are PROUD to be a multi racial club and are not afraid to say so. I have hardly missed a game in the last 15 years and i have NEVER heard any form of racist abuse. You can throw that **** at Millwall, but not us pal.

Evil, you seem to have this strange idea that we are jealous of your rivalry with Brighton. I DON'T GIVE A ****. I can fully understand why you don't dislike our club, because i know full well that there is nothing for you to dislike about us. When decent Palace fans say why do i hate Palace, i can point them in the direction of your posts over the last couple of days. Shagging someone's dead mum, bringing racism into an argument, you've made yourself a complete fool and you know it. Not only have i tried throughout this thread to have a decent adult conversation, i was also the first from any other club to congratulate you on coming out of administration. What did i get in return, abuse. So who hates who ??

I personally don't care. Palace fans who are not narrow minded like yourself would read through this thread and admit to what an idiot you look, if they had the bottle, but i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Goodnight.

Oisin

12-07-2000, 03:32 AM

Ooh, is this one still going. I'm meant to moderate this bit but I can't be bothered to read it. Is there anything I should delete?

Oisin

12-07-2000, 03:35 AM

It all started from a silly premise so I can't believe it's still going.

Evil Eagle

12-07-2000, 03:42 AM

Coke Addick
Don't contradict yourself, because if you claim that you don't care about rivalry then why do you always post messages on a Palace site?

Rolling Mist

12-07-2000, 01:39 PM

i post between the hours of 9 in the morning and 5 in the afternoon - i wonder why i post on this bbs.

PeterH

12-07-2000, 03:29 PM

I think Charlton's hooligan element is probably about as large as the one Palace apparently took to Tranmere. i.e. a very small minority of troublemakers.

ajp

12-07-2000, 07:48 PM

Coke Addick, Firstly I was never trying to join in any sort of tit for tat argument on whether Charlton are a racist club or not.
Secondly I did read your whole posting something you clearly didn't do with mine. All I was saying was that I witnessed a bad racial attack by some Charlton fans on a Palace fan at the Valley, I was purely stating a fact, not my opinion but fact. Sorry if the the truth hurts.

Secondly you claim that the reason you have no rivals is because you are a decent family club. Well firstly rivalry is not a bad thing, it is not down to how many fights or hooligans a club has but more down to tradition and credability. Lets be honest Palace are hardly a hard club but that doesn't stop us having rivls does it.

I also don't think any Charlton fan is in a position to try and make their club out to be this whiter than white ideal of what a family club should be. Just read my comments about the sort of one sided treatment our lot, mostly consisting of families and kids themselves, get when we come to SE7, or didn't didn't you read that bit....

I'd be looking forward to your reply but you seem to be the sort of person who rants on,on another clubs BBS for 8 pages and then when he loses the argument says he's bailing out and won't post any more messages on the thread. I think that speaking to you Charlton fans has reminded me just why we call you Clownton Pathetic!

Rolling Mist

12-07-2000, 08:15 PM

that last sentence was just so cutting

Dodger

12-07-2000, 08:35 PM

Coke Addick/Rolling, stop avoiding the main question - do you like pencils or not?

Oisin

13-07-2000, 12:03 AM

I like pencils. But then you knew that.

Pistike

14-07-2000, 04:04 AM

I hate Charlton, Charlton Heston that is. Wasn't he the bloke who uttered the imortal line "I go....now!" in Ben Hur?

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eagle mart

14-07-2000, 04:39 AM

I witnessed, possibly my only experience, of rascism at football on the way back from the Valley. The friendly we had in a mid-nineties (I swear it was 0-0 but Neil ((no pun intended)) The Eagle says we won 1-0)
It was on the platform at the sation next to the gound (you know the one where we always get coined by a load of 8 year olds - start young) I still feel sorry for him when I see his face at Palace these days.

Oisin

16-07-2000, 08:45 PM

I hate Charlton Heston as well. He sits at home polishing his guns as kids shoot each other.

17-07-2000, 10:18 PM

Eagle Mart the incident of racial abuse to which you are refering to is the same as that mentioned by my brother AJP earlier on in this thread. It was after a pre season game when we beat them 1-0 in 1994, the guy who was picked on by the braindead idiots concerned is a good mate of mine and follows the lads everywhere . I remember sitting on the train back to London Bridge and wondering whether I would ever go to a match again. It was terrible. Having said that I think most of the Charlton fans who witnessed this incident were pretty upset by it to.

I'm sure all clubs have had problems with these sort of people. Whatever my critisisms of Charlton supporters I'm sure most of their fans would oppose this sort of behaviour.