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ANTEAGLE
19-03-2012, 01:36 PM
With Cheltenham over, who is everyone backing for The National?

I'm thinking about backing Seabass. Any views?

cantspell
19-03-2012, 01:55 PM
Sebass is good and I have him @55s (Jam did better) but really keen on Price Du Beauchane that won its prep race on the bridle

LLCOOLSTEVE
19-03-2012, 06:59 PM
Already on Cappa Bleu ante post at 25/1

Excowboy
19-03-2012, 07:01 PM
I'm backing myself to find the eight most strongly fancied horses that come nowhere near the top five.

JamTheEagle
20-03-2012, 08:46 PM
Would be over the moon if Seabass wins! Unoriginal but Prince De Beauchene won with ease LTO and will only improve. I'd expect another bold showing from Synchronised if he shows up. I think he will as the Gold Cup stats do not favour him next year but he is no value for the GN. Wouldn't put you off West End Rocker at 20/1 - decent bet.

Beckenham Boy
10-04-2012, 11:02 AM
At the moment I like

West End Rocker
Cappa Bleu
According to Pete
Seabass

Not placed anything yet though

Robson
12-04-2012, 04:53 PM
Haven't placed anything yet but am intending to go for Rare Bob - right age and weight, likes it a bit soft (Rain forecast for Aintree on Saturday). He's a bit of a risk (not a great stayer thus far), but a good price at 40-1/33-1. Plus, I just like the name ;)

Good guide here:
http://www.grand-national.me.uk/grandnationalrunners/

evvo111
12-04-2012, 09:02 PM
Seabass
Treacle
Weird Al

ANTEAGLE
13-04-2012, 09:46 AM
I've backed Seabass and I was getting concerned due to all the rain. It appears that it isn't going to rain between now and the race and so what does everyone think about Seabass' chances now?

JamTheEagle
13-04-2012, 09:56 AM
I've backed Seabass and I was getting concerned due to all the rain. It appears that it isn't going to rain between now and the race and so what does everyone think about Seabass' chances now?

It'll be good to soft on the day as they are still watering. If I was you I would still back it but I'm just letting my antepost bets play out. People say he is too small to jump Aintree fences and stands no chance of lasting the trip but all I keep coming back to is why is he entered? Ted Walsh had about 6-7 races at Cheltenham that Seabass could have hosed up in so why this race?

ANTEAGLE
13-04-2012, 10:00 AM
The thing that concerns me is why did Ruby not pick Seabass?

JamTheEagle
13-04-2012, 10:02 AM
The thing that concerns me is why did Ruby not pick Seabass?

He said he has his doubts about him staying the trip, which can be said about three quarters of the field. Also, there is nothing to say he didn't just make way so that his sister can keep the ride she deserves.

ANTEAGLE
13-04-2012, 10:08 AM
Am I right in saying that Ballabriggs hadn't run further than 3.5miles before last year's national?

JamTheEagle
13-04-2012, 10:12 AM
Am I right in saying that Ballabriggs hadn't run further than 3.5miles before last year's national?

3m1f I think, yep. Same with Don't Push It the year before.

ANTEAGLE
13-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Interesting. What are you other Ante-Post bets?

JamTheEagle
13-04-2012, 10:18 AM
The Midnight Club
Chicago Grey
Killyglen
Alfa beat

Nothing fancy on any of them really but all taken at big prices. There are more I fancy but I really don't want to pick any more as it just seems like a waste.

SA Eagle
13-04-2012, 08:59 PM
According to Pete
On His Own

Dobbo
13-04-2012, 09:02 PM
V Neck is a good each-way bet - he's a good jumper.

OldPeanutSeller
13-04-2012, 09:26 PM
Personally, I wouldn't go for Seabass. the last time a fish won the National was in 1936.

AJ's right boot
14-04-2012, 02:08 AM
100 on hello bud.

laggin
14-04-2012, 03:04 AM
100 on hello bud.
absolute lunatic :o

AJ's right boot
14-04-2012, 03:25 AM
absolute lunatic :o
Ha ha ha not really. I got him in my work sweep stakes. You watch him come in now ;)

orp pisshead1
14-04-2012, 04:11 AM
Erm am skint and need to pay fishing licence and membership so might bk seabass:). Can anyone recommend a decent bet ? Would be nice to have money before payday for once cheers in advance.

Godstone Eagle
14-04-2012, 09:39 AM
So who has everyone gone for

My picks are: West End Rocker, On His Own and a cheeky couple of quid each way on Midnight Haze.

Time to sit back now and watch them fall at the first :D

maestro
14-04-2012, 09:51 AM
I dont know anything about racing but Ive chose West end Rocker and Calgary Bay for each way bet

Dave
14-04-2012, 09:53 AM
treacle - synchronised - deep purple

in sweepstae

PalaceBhoy
14-04-2012, 09:57 AM
I had Ballabriggs last year and I fancy him again. Would be a popular winner with the Ginger McCain link.

gilesy14
14-04-2012, 09:58 AM
Seabass & Giles Cross for me. I know fack all about racing however.

waddoneagle
14-04-2012, 10:01 AM
Seabass

palacelad1970
14-04-2012, 10:03 AM
GILES CROSS :lux:

BECAUSE I COULDN'T SEE

SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM

Pint of Speroni
14-04-2012, 10:11 AM
Gone for Cappa Bleu and whacked a couple of quid each way on Always Right.

Tony Montana
14-04-2012, 10:14 AM
Gone for junior

m_reid
14-04-2012, 10:16 AM
Gone with Ballabriggs 12/1 to win with Giles Cross 18/1 & Seabass 20/1 Each way

Crofty
14-04-2012, 10:17 AM
Sea bass for me. And a tenner each-way on Black Apalachi at 44-1

Crofty
14-04-2012, 10:18 AM
AATOT - merge? MODS!

GodstoneEagle
14-04-2012, 10:18 AM
Was on Seabass north of 20s. Also picked Cappa Bleu and Alfa Beat.

Thought this was interesting:

14 of the last 16 winners have been aged between 8 and 10. 25 of the last 27 winners have carried no more than 11 stone. So with these trends in mind I like two horses.One is West End Rocker, he loves Aintree as he won the trial race here in December. The other is a horse made for this race, Giles Cross. Never been out the first 3 in any of his completed races. Will love the marathon trip!

Blue Square offering refunds on fallers too!

Gollum
14-04-2012, 10:19 AM
On His Own
Cappa Blue

kabbott
14-04-2012, 10:27 AM
Cappa Bleu and Neptune Collonges

EagleSE24
14-04-2012, 10:34 AM
West End Rocker and Midnight Club.

Wycombe Eagle#2
14-04-2012, 11:08 AM
becauseicouldntsee
Seabass
Neptune collonges

Robson
14-04-2012, 11:10 AM
According to Pete
On His Own

According to Pete is certainly where 'the story' is - owned and trained by a bloke who runs a newsagent, and bred "on a one-acre scrap of land next to his MOT servicing garage" .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/9178075/John-Smiths-Grand-National-could-be-fairytale-story-for-According-To-Petes-newspaper-shop-owner.html

Robson
14-04-2012, 11:16 AM
Thread on the betting forum
http://www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231954

GUCCI Eagle
14-04-2012, 11:37 AM
Seabass
Shakalakaboomboom
Neptunes Collonges

JEagleF
14-04-2012, 11:55 AM
Giles Cross and Planet of Sound for me, although I've never won a penny on it so I'll be buggered if I know anything about racing.

Benzhiyi
14-04-2012, 12:03 PM
All to win:

8 on Calgary Bay
4 on Ballabriggs
2 on Cappa Blue
1 on West End Locker

All basically guesses. Sorry if you've gone for any of those, I NEVER win.

Hudds Eagle
14-04-2012, 12:13 PM
Seabass to win and Weird Al each way for me

oldnosmo
14-04-2012, 12:33 PM
Junior for me.

leicester1
14-04-2012, 12:40 PM
Alpalachi 44-1

Treacle 22-1

Ant1982
14-04-2012, 12:56 PM
Neptune Collenges 40/1 and Cappa Bleu 16/1 for a nice wedge.

Excowboy
14-04-2012, 01:37 PM
I'm backing myself to find the eight most strongly fancied horses that come nowhere near the top five.

So this year, avoid:

Killyglen @ 18/1 10.00
West End Rocker @ 16/1 10.00

Planet Of Sound @ 40/1 2.50 EW
Vic Venturi @ 80/1 2.00 EW
Rare Bob @ 40/1 1.50 EW
The Midnight Club @ 50/1 1.50 EW
Alfa Beat @ 80/1 2.50 EW

Bognor Eagle
14-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Giles Cross 20-1 EW

"Come on my son"

The Omen
14-04-2012, 01:52 PM
Paddy Power website has gone down! :)

The Omen
14-04-2012, 01:53 PM
...and back up

adrenalin john
14-04-2012, 02:46 PM
lottery,

However if he gets a clear round synchronised should win

Duffle Coat
14-04-2012, 02:49 PM
Anyone got a livestream link ?

Russ_uk
14-04-2012, 03:16 PM
My bets:

OrganisedConfused (e/w)
On His own (win)

Russ_uk
14-04-2012, 03:17 PM
Anyone got a livestream link ?
http://mypremium.tv/ (select BBC1)

SA Eagle
14-04-2012, 03:38 PM
According to Pete
On His Own
Un****ingbelievable. One falls and brings the other down :grrr:

delboy01
14-04-2012, 03:56 PM
Neptune Collenges.

Me too but SP.

m_reid
14-04-2012, 04:05 PM
Glad i got seabass each way at its early price of 20/1

spuddy
14-04-2012, 04:06 PM
Glad i got seabass each way at its early price of 20/1

I got seabass early each way to at 22/1

rhiannapaul
14-04-2012, 04:07 PM
2 horses put down just for a for sport ? wrong !

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:09 PM
2 horses put down just for a for sport ? wrong !

Don't start this bollocks off again. It's not just a 'sport' - why can't people just leave the issue alone. Truly sad news to finish what was a good race for me.

greybot
14-04-2012, 04:10 PM
Don't start this bollocks off again. It's not just a 'sport' - why can't people just leave the issue alone. Truly sad news to finish what was a good race for me.

Because it's cruel

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:11 PM
Because it's cruel

Must... not... feed... troll.

dreamer27
14-04-2012, 04:12 PM
Neptune Collenges 40/1 and Cappa Bleu 16/1 for a nice wedge.


Fair play to ya

I backed the second and seabass. :veryangry

Two horses dead including a gold cup winner and in flat racing Frankel wont ever race again.

Not the best few hours for the sport of kings. :sob:

Robson
14-04-2012, 04:17 PM
Un****ingbelievable. One falls and brings the other down :grrr:

It got worse.

TheMexicanHorse
14-04-2012, 04:24 PM
Shame that a thrilling race will be overshadowed with the issue of cruelty again.

They adjusted the course this year following last years deaths and it has again reared it's ugly head.

The big question will be was Synchronised fit to compete following his behaviour before the start?

Flat Noodle
14-04-2012, 04:25 PM
According to Pete is certainly where 'the story' is - owned and trained by a bloke who runs a newsagent, and bred "on a one-acre scrap of land next to his MOT servicing garage" .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/9178075/John-Smiths-Grand-National-could-be-fairytale-story-for-According-To-Petes-newspaper-shop-owner.html
:(

The Omen
14-04-2012, 04:27 PM
Amazing how some of the jockeys don't get killed too

TheMexicanHorse
14-04-2012, 04:28 PM
:(

It's not as simple as this.

Every horse has to go through a strenuous check with the vets before racing.

It's not as clear cut as a horse literally being thrown onto the track to race.

Robson
14-04-2012, 04:28 PM
:(

Yep, gutted for this family, who will be returning back to Yorkshire with an empty horsebox.

"What we want first is for him to come home safe," Nelson said, "and anything more would be a bonus. It is risky, but this is what he was bred for and is trained for and no horse becomes a great horse stood in his stable. Without racing he and the others wouldn't exist.

"And when you watch him bowling along, he's such a fine sight, seems to love doing it. He always has his ears pricked and you'd swear he has a smile on his face."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/racing/according-to-petes-in-a-paper-chase-7626939.html

The Omen
14-04-2012, 04:30 PM
Yep, gutted for this family, who will be returning back to Yorkshire with an empty horsebox.

"What we want first is for him to come home safe," Nelson said, "and anything more would be a bonus. It is risky, but this is what he was bred for and is trained for and no horse becomes a great horse stood in his stable. Without racing he and the others wouldn't exist.

"And when you watch him bowling along, he's such a fine sight, seems to love doing it. He always has his ears pricked and you'd swear he has a smile on his face."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/racing/according-to-petes-in-a-paper-chase-7626939.html

Ouch :( :sob:

greybot
14-04-2012, 04:31 PM
Must... not... feed... troll.

:rolleyes:

Just because something is now a tradition, doesn't mean it isnt cruel. The horses are treated as nothing more than a commodity to the rich, who want to make themselves even richer off the working class. If they really cared for their animals they would help them recover from a broken leg, but no, it's far too costly for them and pointless, cos they are only in it for the money.

rhiannapaul
14-04-2012, 04:33 PM
this culture of gambling is ruining lives of the weak willed ,online bingo casino etc etc will it ever end ,

its not just the horse killed in the race, i read thousands of thouroughbreds are put down if they dont make the grade ,fully fit horses destroyed ,wrong !

Duffle Coat
14-04-2012, 04:34 PM
Neptune Collenges 40/1 and Cappa Bleu 16/1 for a nice wedge.
You, obviously are not a bookie ! Well done there Ant1982.

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:36 PM
:rolleyes:

Just because something is now a tradition, doesn't mean it isnt cruel. The horses are treated as nothing more than a commodity to the rich, who want to make themselves even richer off the working class. If they really cared for their animals they would help them recover from a broken leg, but no, it's far too costly for them and pointless, cos they are only in it for the money.

I never said I approved of the GN, but I do approve of racing in general. If you really think it is better for a horse to live through a broken leg and that the on course vets do not try to do everything in their power to keep a horse alive, you are a moron. Simple as I'm afraid and I suggest you read up on horse anatomy.

Why would they put down a horse that could live and possibly go to stud for them? :rolleyes: This animal welfare line has no substance to it at all and really grinds my gears.

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:40 PM
How do suggest they treat the horse with a broken leg by the way? If you immobilise a horse it gets pneumonia so I am interested to hear how you get around that little fact.

Duffle Coat
14-04-2012, 04:41 PM
http://mypremium.tv/ (select BBC1)
Thank you. I didn't see it live cause I was listening to Palace but I saw it on Sporting Life. I appreciate your help tho !

greybot
14-04-2012, 04:41 PM
I never said I approved of the GN, but I do approve of racing in general. If you really think it is better for a horse to live through a broken leg and that the on course vets do not try to do everything in their power to keep a horse alive, you are a moron. Simple as I'm afraid and I suggest you read up on horse anatomy.

Why would they put down a horse that could live and possibly go to stud for them? :rolleyes: This animal welfare line has no substance to it at all and really grinds my gears.


You have just reiterated my point that horse racing is cruel. It is man that is putting the horses in a position of near death.

Robson
14-04-2012, 04:45 PM
You have just reiterated my point that horse racing is cruel. It is man that is putting the horses in a position of near death.

As Peter Nelson, the trainer of According to Pete said (incidentally, hardly a rich man and their horse was like a family member to them, so you can't tarnish everyone with the same brush), these horses wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the racing. They love racing and are (usually) treated like royalty!

Shamone
14-04-2012, 04:46 PM
You a vegetarian Greybot?

greybot
14-04-2012, 04:47 PM
Then let them run around without the stupid fences then, and stop getting them killed :veryangry

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:47 PM
You have just reiterated my point that horse racing is cruel. It is man that is putting the horses in a position of near death.

I can't be bothered - these horses are helped into existence by man, nurtured and trained by man. Trainers and owners love their horses but it is their livelihood as well.

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:47 PM
Then let them run around without the stupid fences then, and stop getting them killed :veryangry

And make their living from?

saul1664
14-04-2012, 04:49 PM
Prefer them to be bred and slaughtered for pet food?

The Omen
14-04-2012, 04:52 PM
You a vegetarian Greybot?

You eat dead racing horses?

greybot
14-04-2012, 04:56 PM
And make their living from?

Horse racing (without fences or much lower fences), if that's what it takes to stop killing them.

saul1664
14-04-2012, 04:58 PM
I reckon we should put all their legs in traction and nail them to the stable, that will stop all those fatalities that occur when they are just running around normally and that occur in fields and on gallops.

JamTheEagle
14-04-2012, 04:58 PM
Horse racing (without fences or much lower fences), if that's what it takes to stop killing them.

Horses still die on the flat - see Fox Hunt more recently or Rewilding.

Robson
14-04-2012, 04:59 PM
racecourse saying Weird Al & Killyglen injuries not believed to be life-threatening
http://twitter.com/#!/CorneliusRacing

saul1664
14-04-2012, 05:00 PM
Why just protect horses and not chickens, cows, pigs and sheep?

greybot
14-04-2012, 05:03 PM
Horses still die on the flat - see Fox Hunt more recently or Rewilding.

And so do even athletes on the open field, but I am not saying ban horse racing altogether (as that will never happen as it's a multi-million pound industry) but rethink the Grand National, as it's too long, too many horses, fences etc which make deaths inevitable.

Ant1982
14-04-2012, 05:12 PM
You, obviously are not a bookie ! Well done there Ant1982.
Thanks :D

To be honest, I went with a gut feeling, especially towards Neptune Collenges, felt good about it and at 40/1 seemed like a very good idea!

Lesson learned: always trust your gut :lux:

westsussexeagle
14-04-2012, 05:20 PM
How do suggest they treat the horse with a broken leg by the way? If you immobilise a horse it gets pneumonia so I am interested to hear how you get around that little fact.

Not really a surprise that there is no response to that. Facts eh! They really get in the way sometimes :)

maestro
14-04-2012, 05:21 PM
I dont think ill bother next year, I dont find it enjoyable when I wonder when I see a faller if that horse will make it home.

SA Eagle
14-04-2012, 05:26 PM
It got worse.
So I've heard :(

evvo111
14-04-2012, 05:43 PM
Why just protect horses and not chickens, cows, pigs and sheep?


Particularly sheep ;)

LLCOOLSTEVE
14-04-2012, 07:00 PM
Then let them run around without the stupid fences then, and stop getting them killed :veryangry


Synchronised was 'running around'

He fell at the 5th, but got up and carried on running (as thats what race horses like to do) and he fell when he jumped the 11th fence on his own and suffered a fracture.

Strathclyde Eagle
14-04-2012, 07:01 PM
Belated merge/move.

kabbott
14-04-2012, 08:15 PM
Cappa Bleu and Neptune Collonges


:lux: :lux: :lux:

GRAND UNION
14-04-2012, 09:02 PM
Thanks :D

To be honest, I went with a gut feeling, especially towards Neptune Collenges, felt good about it and at 40/1 seemed like a very good idea!

Lesson learned: always trust your gut :lux:
Sadly, i lost faith in my gut feeling when i changed to another horse when i got to the betting shop,bloody fool :( mind you got 4th with other nag :)

Wycombe Eagle#2
14-04-2012, 11:59 PM
becauseicouldntsee
Seabass
Neptune collonges
Been out with the wife on a friends 32nd tonight and to help the celebrations Neptune @ 33's and Seabass @ 20's e/w, eldest had Ballabriggs e/w with VC paying first 6 @ 12's and middle son had Cappa Bleu @ 14's e/w, don't worry I'll pay the kids out and give the youngest a bung as well:)

Hedgehog
15-04-2012, 12:07 AM
Delete post - read the whole thread.

crenoleagle
15-04-2012, 12:09 AM
Had a five pound each way bet on Sunnyhillboy. So annoyed that he didn't get over the line in first :veryangry Would have got 100 instead of 15.

JamTheEagle
15-04-2012, 07:15 PM
10 free bet from Paddy Power if you had a bet with them yesterday :)

ChiswickEagle
20-04-2012, 09:42 AM
Fair play to ya

Two horses dead including a gold cup winner and in flat racing Frankel wont ever race again.

Not the best few hours for the sport of kings. :sob:

It would appear that Frankel will be running again, really pleased about that.